At Boshoff from CRC Church shows us how Pharisees went about ‘Honoring’ God

Chris says:

Hi there,

Was under the rule of At himself, the headquarters for this wicked sect, in Bloemfontein South Africa. Thankfully God showed me the Truth, His Truth, through human instruments. This for me is very well and good, but what of the billions being misled, in the name of our Messiah? It is for them that I feel sorrow, even though it is their responsibility to seek the Truth of the Word it sickens me that men such as the likes above mentioned roam free like a lion to deceive like a serpent whilst wearing sheep’s wool… Maybe he teaches this at his mighty men conferences? To be like a lion? yes he does.

However it is not only him or his sect that deceives, the charismatics, catholics, Calvinists and all the other sects share the same principles. I will paste an article I wrote to shed light on this, they are all side of the same coin …

The article as follows :

This article is built on fact and fact alone, not my own opinions on a situation. If at any time you need confirmation on any of the information I have given below, all you need to do is request it and I will be happy to give you meaty and lengthy evidence.

Definitions of terms:

Dominionism – The teaching of the doctrine that states that Israel has now replaced the church, because natural Israel has been cut off from God. This is also know as Replacement Theology. The result of this teaching means that all promises made to Abraham are now promised to the Church. Another outcome is that for Jesus to return, all the lives on earth need to be saved ( A great Revival ). This sect believes that a special group of people will take over the world, because we are the living in the millennium spoken about in revelation, that Jesus is ruling the planet as we speak. This dominion is obtained by finding high rankings in the media, economy, political agenda and so forth. (5 fold ministry)

Amillennialism – In Latin when the ‘a’ is applied before the word it means “no”, so this then means no millennium. Again, this sect believes that the millennium is not literal and that Jesus is ruling the earth right now from Heaven as He sits next to God’s right hand. All that is necessary for Jesus to return is that a great revival occurs that everyone may live of the principles of the Bible.Catholics as well as the reformed as well as the dominionist each share appraisals in these theologies.

Calvinist – Believe in the predestined choice God made of who He would send to Heaven, good boy list bad boy list, believe in the elect (selected of God), hearers and the sinners. They use the acronym TULIP as a reference for what they believe see : (http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/10/13/unconditional-election-and-total-depravity-are-gnostic-teachings/ )

The denominations of the large religious groups of the world at state :

The Charismatic movement(namely the happy chappies) – The foundation of this group is set on emotional splendor, good music, good visuals and basically the “love of God” in everyones lives, about what God can do for you in your life. It is safe to say that the majority of these churches thrive on sensationalism (sign and wonders), with apparent pastors performing “miracles”, calling on the Holy Spirit and transferring in to his/her congregation which goes against scripture. (Ex. 30:32-33) This can also be called what they cal transferal of the anointing. Bible warns against signs and wonders (2Th 2:9) ( The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders.)

There is no doubt that these groups teach a doctrine of prosperity and what God can do for you emotionally and especially financially, with teachers like Creflo dollar, At boshoff, Rod Parsley and many more that teach you should receive prosperity from God financially or else you do not have Faith and do not walk and talk like a true Christian. This is only obtained and God only really has favor on your life if you give them the money in faith, this is complete and utter hogwash. In fact the Bible speaks about how possessions do not make a man.(1 Timoty 6:10) (Luke 12:14-16) (Luke 14:33)

Similarity :

To get back to the topic at hand, these smooth talkers also believe that there is going to be a great revival and that we need to get ready for this, as the world will be saved. “Pastors” speak it over the congregation, world, country and often say how they for see a great revival for God. This is contradictory to what the Bible teaches, that in the end times there will be a great falling away. Now as important as it is to win souls, these heads are speaking directly against the Word of God.( 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;)(2 Thess. 2:3)

To obtain this revival they use key Dominionistic principles, that there has to be a great revival for Jesus to return – there is going to be a great revival. Secondly that the promises to Abraham concerning protection and prosperity is to the Church not Israel, which is why they teach that God blesses u if you bless the church. Another similarity is the fact that these Charismatic movements use the media, economic, socio-economic and political grounds to obtain this revival. In example :

Media – TBN is only 1 of several 24 hour broadcasting centers for this false doctrine. There are massive satellite organizations(churchs) all around the world that broadcast their contorted message etc…

Economic – These very large charismatic movers rake in millions if not billions of Rands/Dollars each month with their telethons and monthly tithing gigs. Another great fund raiser is there products of holiness (dvd’s, holy clothes etc..) as well as the massive conferences they have, this should be free of charge as the bible instructs.(Matt. 10:7-10)(Luke 10:4-7) Their luxurious home, cars and lifestyle in general is proof that they do not give a large portion of this to the poor as they should. (Deut. 14: 22-26).

Socio-Economic – With their message of apparent good news and even better living they head into the poor areas and attempt to help these people with food and the good message, how ever this is short lived as that food is only temporary just as the false Gospel they are teaching. This is merely a campaign to win the vote of these people nothing more nothing less. If they genuinely cared about these people they would sell their large houses and go into mission stations etc….(Luke 14:33)

Political – “Pastors” with the likes of Rhema have let politicians such as Jacob Zuma speak to his congregation and has shown a general fellowship with the man. This is going back to feudalism where the state and church were once one. Speakers such Albert Mohler have sign the Manhattan Treaty, which is tired into the UN, which states all the principles of “unity through diversity” (one world order).

Important to note – even though they won’t admit to it, it is clear that the Charismatic movement do not care enough for the instructions of the scripture that they have contorted it and even have members and heads of the congregation, that commit adultery and several other sins. HEAD OF THE CHARISMATIC MOVEMENT, contorting the scripture. They often put themselves on the same level as Jesus, ordering Him and His Holy Spirit around like waiters.

Calvinism(Reformed church) – Believe that everyone has already been preordained to either go to heaven(elect) or to Hell(Sinners) and that all that is need for Jesus to return is that all the principles of the Bible are followed by everyone on the planet, whether it is the right doctrine or not. (see the link above). against scripture (Rom 8:7-8) That Christ only died for a certain group.against scripture (John 3:16; 2 Cor. 5:19)

They incorporate Amillennialism which again means that we are living in the millennium that Jesus is ruling from heaven, this means that all that all is needed is for people to follow principles of the Bible, even though these principles might be contorted and there is no urgency for these people to believe in Jesus for their gain into heaven.(as if these elect have been regenerated, they automatically go to heaven). This is why John Calvin enforced a very strict moral code onto his city, even though most of these decision where made by a council, that decide which is acceptable and which is not. He would burn people alive and execute them in several ways.against scripture (Matt. 15:9)

This is why the Deutsch reformed and other reformed churches have councils who decide what goes and what does not. They have accepted homosexuality and along with it a mound of other sinful things according to the Bible. . This can be seen in methodist, Charismatic, Catholic and other sects of “Christianity”, whereby they contort the Word to suit their own vendettas. against scripture (Matt. 15:9). They follow what man says and not what God says.

Dominionistic :

Media: There has been a decrease of the number of youth that flock to Calvinism or the reformed movement, this is why it was necessary to repackage and repack it, to seem more vibrant. The new movement is called Neo-Reformed or New Calvinist. Mark Driscoll created T-shirts of Jesus as a DJ and several other blaspheming T-shirts. People with the likes of Louis Giglio, John Piper, Albert Mohler and many more now catch a gullible youth with smooth talking and visuals.

Political: John Calvin was a student of Augustine, Augustine used an emerged state and church system (which is ideal if the doctrine is sound), emerged pagan holidays with Christian ones such as Christmas and easter. This is where Calvinism has its roots or motive for political agenda. It is just a matter of time.The Vatican is also stating to plant its roots in politics once again, just as before. Catholics.

important note : Contort Scripture and create their own laws just as Charismatic, seek one large revival which goes against the Word of God and believe that all promises whether it is financial or protective is unto them, even though we as Christians do get favour, it is not the same promises promised to Israel.

Catholic: The Catholic subject could literally be it’s own topic, however just for the purposes of these comparisons I will just scratch the surface of their doctrine.

Dominionistic :

Political: The Vatican for years already is quite a powerful force when it comes to politics, whether it comes to the Pope meeting with huge politicians, other religious groups or being part of the G-8. It is irrefutable that the Vatican have immense power when it comes to politics.

Mikhail Garbachev (member of the soviet union) – ” Pope John paull || played a major political role in the collapse of communism in Eastern Europe… The event in Eastern Europe would not have been possible without the presence of the pope… which he knew how to play on the world scene”

Alexander Haig(member of the CIA) – “The Vatican’s information was absolutly better and quicker than our in every respect”

There are many many more.

Economy: “The unique, noncommercial economy of Vatican City is supported financially by contributions (known as Peter’s Pence) from Roman Catholics throughout the world, the sale of postage stamps and tourist mementos, fees for admission to museums, and the sale of publications.

The incomes of lay workers are sensibly better than those of their counterparts who work in the city of Rome. Living standards may be different, at least in their public evidence, due to particular sober lifestyle required.

The Vatican also conducts worldwide financial activities, the Istituto per le Opere di Religione (also known with the acronym IOR and wrongly known as the Vatican Bank). This Institute has an ATM with instructions in Latin, possibly the only such ATM in the world.

A souvenir shop on the roof of St. Peter’s Basilica

The Vatican has often been accused by critics of being excessively wealthy, as in Avro Manhattan’s The Vatican Billions. However, the papal state has previously run budget deficits and obtains much of its money from international donations such as Peter’s Pence.

In response to demands by activists that the Vatican should sell its artistic artifacts and give them to the poor, Cardinal Paul Josef Cordes asserted that the Church has the duty to conserve the works of art in the name of the Italian state and cannot sell them.” – Wikipedia

This I believe is only the start of all their finances.

Media: The Vatican hits news articles nearly every day, there are world wide broadcasts of all their annual ceremonies as people flock to the Vatican. How ever when the media try to expose these wicked men, they retaliate : .

According to the Bible there will be a great falling away from the True Gospel, in the end times so we observe this today. Whether your part of the Charismatics, Catholics or Calvinists your still part of the same coin. Still believing in the same doctrine. ( 2 Thessalonians 2:3)

There is so much more information I would love to share with you all, several more similarities that all these devious sects share. They are parts of the same engine that drive the motor towards the end. So I encourage you to find you own Truth. (John 17:17)

If it’s not the catholics that pray to mary to undermine Jesus as Lord and Saviour, the charismatics that put themselves on the same level as Jesus, Muslims that deny Jesus as Saviour, Satanists that pray to lucifer or the Jewish folk that also deny Jesus as Lord and Saviour it’s all relatively the same.

Chris says:

Hi Deborah, Moemsie

Thank you so much will be sure to sign up right away

God speed

MICHAEL ABDO says:

Hi i agree with your statement.I was in CRC for three years ,was made overseer over all the cell groups.My wife and my self gave over R30,000 + for there(crc ) building project cash (receipt i still have).When we were financially sound.But when we were in financial need .THE PASTERS RUSSEL ,and JJ were aware of our situation they did not even send us a food parcel .I sent Ps At a personal facebook message ,by which he deleted me from his facebook ,his son also wanted to beat me up for “attacking” his father.they then just took away my cell goup and handed it over to one of my cell group member.For they told me not to touch GOD,S ANOINTED.THIS “church ” is just a poncy scheme.A farce! in one year they went on holiday 4 times ,Switzerland,Israel,Australia (2)and are on holiday again,number 5.BUT I DO PRAY FOR PASTER AT AND THE CHURCH MEMBERS SO THAT THERE EYES MIGHT BE OPENED

Dan Knezacek says:

The best book I have ever read on the subject of tithing is “Tithing: Low-Realm, Obsolete & Defunct” by Matthew Narramore. I originally read it on his website, but liked it so much that I went and bought a copy.

His website is: http://tekoapublishing.com/books/tithing/ and you can also get it from Amazon. If you have ever fallen victim to the tithe-teachers this is a scriptural study of giving from a biblical Christian perspective.

I gave a copy to a brother, at a church we used to attend, and was declared a false-teacher at the next deacon’s meeting! Subsequently we were asked not to come back, but they still wanted us to keep our kids in their school!

You expect the world to be angry when we talk about Jesus, but sometimes persecution comes from surprising directions!

The pharisees don’t like it when you take a stand for truth!

Chris says:

Hi Antonio and Michael

To Antonio – It is a pleasure, but all praise has to go to God, for He is the One that gave us His Truth, without it we would be just like the rest.

Michael – I went to school with At’s son, or at least was in the same school he was in, he does not fall far from the tree I can bare testimony to this. An aura of arrogance and no sense of urgency to stay on the narrow path could be picked up from any stance while observing his ethos or characteristics. Isn’t this another contradicting paradox when it comes to At’s morals and stance as “pastor” over a congregation? Titus 1:5-10, If At can’t rule over his own household correctly how does he plan to do so over a whole congregation?

These are upsetting thoughts to the current members of the congregation, it is a sensitive topic and so when we approach them we have to be as wise as serpents and as harmless as doves.Matthew 10:16 Harmless – Akéraios – Without any mixture of deceit.
Wise – Phrónimos – to use practical wisdom in relations to others – to be sensible

What these men are doing can not be silenced by our mouths any longer, which is why this site is so great in exposing a lie for a lie, calling a spade a spade. . .

Burning Lamp says:

Regarding the topic of tithing, I do feel this is often misrepresented and misunderstood. God is a God of order. Yes, we are not under law, but grace in the New Covenant. However, to completely disregard the CONCEPT of tithing is like throwing the baby out with the bath.

Personally, in our home we have decided a certain % of our income that is SET ASIDE for the Lord from the beginning. That is the baseline of sorts. That does not mean there is a limit or legalistic rule. It is merely a GUIDE to giving. Giving should NOT be helter-skelter – God likes plans and so should we. We should consider giving to be important enough to have a plan.

Too often people who abandon the CONCEPT of orderly giving get sloppy about it and this is not God-honoring and may not even get around to giving anything at all. In my view God intends for us to SET ASIDE His portion and give Him first place in our finances.

We plan other aspects of our finances or least responsible people do, should we do less for our Lord?

Just asking the question……..I am suspicious of those who totally discount the CONCEPT of the tithe. Maybe this should be another whole topic for another day and another thread. I seem to be hijacking threads today, but I thought it was important to respond since it was brought up on this thread.

Burning Lamp says:

You are so right. The key is the joyful part. I can give joyfully as I set aside a certain % to the Lord as a first fruit. It gives me great joy to do so. It also gives me great joy to give beyond that as the Spirit leads.

The Lord owns ALL we have, and I think He is pleased when we put Him first before everything else and set aside His portion from the get-go. That requires forethought and sense of purpose. I don’t see that as legalistic if it is done out of gratitude and respect for our Lord. It all lies in the motives of the heart.

Michael says:

Talitha,Chris,Deon,Dan and Michael A…what an abomination…it is really so so bad.At Boshoff and CRC are imposters and are wolves in sheeps clothing…all their wicked, lying deeds MUST be exposed.
This is our Christian duty.

Nathan says:

Dion wrote:

Hi everyone! Since At Boshoff has thus far not responded to my September 2010 invitation to debate issues around the doctrine he stands for, I bought one of his two books today to study – hopefully to learn something about his doctrine… After having read the 1st two chapters I have discovered that At truly believes what he preaches and that money is the driving force in his life, not God. I so much wish to meet with him to talk about fully submitting to the will of God as opposed to the drivel he believes (ie. God wants to bless you with wealth)and the drivel he preaches. I noted that he is not at all a skilled writer (either that or his copywriter is weak) and that he does not really know how to get his point accross – he repeats the same thing over and over and over without saying anything from a Biblical perspective and when he refers to Scripture he wraps thruth with so much error, it makes me want to cry because nothing contained in the 1st two chapters of his book “Live a YES! life”, refers to being born again like Jesus and the Apostles spoke of. Everything so far suggests that the reader should “come to Jesus who can’t wait to make you rich and bless you with everything you’ve ever wanted…”
At if you truly were interested in preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the lost and to those who are truly searching, please stop preaching the lies which you so strongly believe – you are mislead and you are misleading many, and for this you are going to be held personally accountable! Please, stop your lies!
If by chance any readers of this Blog know At, please let him know that many thousands are waiting for him to take a stand for his doctrine and that the safest and most balanced platform he could trust in is the public platform to which I am hereby again inviting him to attend. To those who may wish to share their CRC experiences with me, please leave your message here and I shall contact you. My brother in the Lord Chris,will also welcome your information/experiences contributions on all issues CRC.
Greetings.

PS. Hi Deborah, I trust you are well!

Dear Reader.

Couldnt agree more with the comments on given post.

The Lord clearly states in 1Tim 6 3-5. If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the doctrine of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the doctrine that accords with Godliness he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with diputes and arguments over words, from which comes envy, strife, evil suspicions, useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. Fron such withdraw yourself. now godliness with contentment is great gain.

I write as i find it heartbreaking that the truth has become so tainted with a spirit of vein glory. In the picture God gave us of the Isrealites journey out of egypt( a type of the world) we must not forget that God did not bring them out of Egypt to take them to the promised land, He led them out to worship Him in the desert. The desert is a type of being in lack, call it financially, where only enough is to survive. This period, season, was there to prepare their souls for the revelation of Christ (Salvation), the mountain. Yet the hearts of the Isrealites was set upon the promised Land therefore they failed in prepairing their hearts for when God wanted to reveal Himself, yet they drank into the same Spiritual rock which was Christ but the word(salvation) was not received by faith. Consequintly they fled running 60 miles into the desert coming back asking for rules to serve God by, then the law came and God said in my wrath I swear they would never enter My rest.
There is much teaching going on posessing the promised Land, but we shouldn’t be quick to forget that the next couple of thousand of years is the teaching of the Hebrews living in the shadow they did not posess the reality(Heaven)

Now my question is if converts are tought to keep their focus on the promised land (earthly inheritance) are they going to succeed in pressing into Jesus to prepare their souls so the Spirit of true Glory can posess their souls? or are they going to suffer the same condemnation as the Hebrews.

The whole of New testament scripture is focused on taking our eyes of the world, and if doing so the Spirit strips your mind of the spirit of vein glory and its only then when Truth is found in scripture, God came to take us out of the world and to sanctify us to translate us into His Kingdom of light of which only one experience of it will consume you on such a high level that you WILL loose all earthly interest exept bringing thruth to the people. Only then will you be fit to reign the earth with Christ. Phill 3 17-21 Bretheren join in following my example and note who so walk, as you have us for a pattern. For many walk, of whom I tell you often, and now even tell you weeping that they are enemies of the cross of Christ; WHOSE END IS DESTRUCTION, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is their shame-who sets their mind on earthly things. For our citizenship is in heaven from which we so eagerly wait for the savior our Lord Jesus Christ who will transform our lowly bodies that it may be conformed unto His glorious body(the body of righteousness) by the working by which He is able to subdue all things to Himself.

1John2 Do not love the world or the things in world. If anyone loves the world the love of the Father is not in him. For all thats in the world-the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life- is not of the FAther but is of the world.

Now love is the bond of perfection, if the abiding love of God is not in the soul the purification power of faith in Christ is inoperative, the cross is denying the world and seeking to be translated to the kingdom of heaven, the core message of what Jesus came to preach. But love being the ingredient by which it is done. Love and humility opens up the mysteries of faith , knowledge of truth that opens up the door of life. If converts are pushed towards earthly inheritance arent they then getting led away from the love of God?

FAith is the substance of things hoped for the evedinece of things not seen( Heb 11) A huge account is then given on all the patriarchs of faith and I want to lift out Abraham the father of faith. This teaching of faith is preached as an application of envisioning a earthly want and keeping it in mind until it happens, yet if one take a look at Heb11 16 but now they desire the better the heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God.
One can clearly see hereby what Abraham was believing God for, the heavenly country. He was focused on the mountain.

Dear people Christ is the promised land, He is the one we should behold in singularity of mind hardship is the way in which the soul is prepared for truth. Don’t bent to the golden image, and if you dont and you get thown into the fiery furnace by the enemy do not be afraid for you will see Jesus standing with you so the flames will not hurt you at all.

What does it help a man to gain the whole world and loose his soul?

To those desiples of Christ suffering lack James tells us that God chose the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him. Keep the faith expect the heavenly and you WILL be pleasantly surprised.

People we need to love God with all our hearts, minds, soul, body and strength. A beholding(continual meditation or thinking) of any earthly desire contitutes to Idolitry and any such will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

Lets make sure and absolute dilligence of seeking truth and dont be misled with empty words, the eternal life of your soul is at stake. Cry out for truth and He will teach you all you need to know, He is and will always be the most loving teacher.

Love you all! Remember we are all part of the same body, love one another with a pure heart, If you heart one another you heart yourself.

Would like to hear from you Dion. I was also in CRC for a couple of years and God pulled me out with force. Yet my wish is not to crucify Pastor Att but I have great concern for the people.
GRACE AND PEACE!

Nathan

Chris says:

I will never call At Boshoff a “pastor” because he is no pastor in a real sense and does not qualify as one. A wolf in sheep’s clothing yes!

Due to the seriousness of the topic and the very obvious contorting of the Scriptures for gain of financial benefit it is worthy to quote Paul:
Cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Cor 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Cor 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

I have had to comfort many of his victims – people who had lost most if not all of their possessions, but worst of all their faith.
It is extremely sad that those who have fallen victim to At Boshoff normally end up so incredibly broken.

These people were all good enough when they tithed their 10% (Which by the way is not Biblical) and have additionally given offerings and free will offerings and the Lord knows what else taken from them as result of contorted Scriptures, but as soon as these people had a need the pastor turned a cold shoulder and ignored them – as in the case of Michael Abdo above. (Michael you were extremely unlucky wit CRC I know of people who were given some dented tins of bake beans, a broken sugar container and other limited rejects which was sourced from supermarkets.)

I myself was in financial trouble while at CRC. Many of the pastors came to pray yet no relief whatsoever from CRC – that is not a church because the true body of Christ always suffers with the rest of the body. What does it benefit anyone if you pray for them and give nothing to sustain the brother or sister in the Lord.

Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Now it is At that preaches those in need have a lack of faith, hence their financial shortcoming but again we understand quite the opposite from Scripture – it is those with resources who do not assist the hurting believers materially, that are without faith.

The last case I dealt with was not much different from the others I have had to council .The symptoms of the victims are always more or less the same:
1. Broken homes where the husband or wife need to go and work in other cities and where children are sent away as the parents do not have the means to care for them anymore.
2. Divorce or possibilities of this.
3. The onset of substance abuse like alcohol to escape the hurt.
4. Many of them consider suicide and possibly have gone that route.
5. Normally these people will not want to hear anything about Christianity again
6. Most importantly, all of the victims I have spoken to have told me that they find it hard to believe that there is a God after they had been let down and bankrupted.

Now if this is the fruit and eventuality of CRC causing people to turn from God, one may only shudder realising who is the author of such fruits.

Come out of her my people says the Lord Jesus!

In support of Dion I would also want to ask people who have been hurt to contact us on this blog.

I know of many people who would not want to because they are to scared and or they think it is unbiblical.

In my possession I have an e-mail of someone who was At Boshoff’s right hand man for 7 years and I quote him:
“You must remember I was next to him for 7 years and I know him in all his devious ways. I have seen situations where even violence was threatened.
My office was known as the crying room and a place for damaged staff to be strengthened.” Also “Even as Luther believed that Rome was the seat of Satan, I hold similar opinions regarding that little kingdom up the road from you.”
And
“With most of us who got hurt in this manner , it was because we trusted and were therefore loyal beyond measure. Betrayal was never even a considered a thought by those who served and because of this, we never saw it coming from above. There were quite a bunch of us who suffered in this way. Some are in Cape Town, some in Pretoria , many in Bloem and even some in the UK. Even last year, when yet another vile lie from the devil came out against me from his messenger in a meeting with a pastor from UK, I was unmoved. This lie was exposed to the man who informed me and who has removed himself from further relationship with the Bloem Church. ”

Please come out of the closet, we could not care less about At Boshoff except for his repentance and his salvation but remember the Scripture:
Tit 1:7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
Tit 1:8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
Tit 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
Tit 1:10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:

Tit 1:11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake.

If At Boshoff refuses to listen then at least let us do something to stop other brothers and sisters in Christ from being abused, hurt and destroyed.

We would like to hear from you and your support will not go unnoticed by the Lord Jesus.

MICHAEL ABDO says:

Hi to all, thanks to all your comments .All the time i thought i was alone.That maybe i was out of line and out of touch with this new modern gospel preaching.What i was reading in the Holy Scriptures just did not correspond with AT,S teachings.
I posted this article on my facebook profile to friends of friends ,knowing that it will reach quite a few crc members.Which it did and i got some serious backlash from guys very close to At and his associates.
SEE same comments from these guys

Hi Michael Anthony,
JJ Jackson commented on your link.
JJ wrote: “One of the reasons many people will never turn to Jesus is because of the internal fighting in Christian circles. People trying to be more righteous when we have it already. Think before you put something so spiteful on facebook; is this helping expand the kingdom, or cause other religions to laugh at us while millions will end up going to hell. ”

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Hi Michael Anthony,
Andre Lombard commented on your link.
Andre wrote: “Who appointed you to become THE CHERIFF of tha Church,send me your appointment letter,rather mind your own business in your own small world you living in…..”

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Leriche wrote: “Slave vir Christus..? O e is n “follower en dissipel van Jesus” en michael my vriend ek weet wat die bybel se van toets als elke ding,spirit,preacher ens. En almal kan n fout maak,die feit en waarheid is,dat mense met jou mentaliteit so gefokus is op ander se foute en op comments soos bogenoemde wat jy van ons pastoor maak,dat jy nie die koningkryk van Jesus bou nie,ek sal voorstel,jy bid eerder vir jy broer AS hy dan n fout gemaak het in die slilte agter jou deure,i.p.v om dit n publieke ding op FB te maak,plaas honor jy hom vir al wat hy al vir God se koningkryk gedoen het,en hoeveel mense se lewens hy al geraak het,ek was my hele lewe lank in kerke,maar nooit n verhouding met God gehad nie,tot ek in Crc gekom het. Maar aan die ander kant michael,as daar nie mense is soos jy wat kritiek gee en die foute SOEK in ons kerk nie,weet ons,ons groei nie,want kritiek en opinies soos joune wys dat ons kerk groei en ons doen goed reg,dis hoe satan kerke aanval,en in die laaste tyd soos jy sal weet in die bybel staan broer sal teen broer draai,so ons verwag optredes soos joune,want ons weet ons lewe in die eindtyd. Ek stel voor jy sit iets op FB wat Christene sterker sal maak en saam sal staan,i.p.v om foute by ander te soek en negatiewe kommentaar te gee. Jesuslove Leriche”

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The sad part is that some of these people have become so blind to the deception and lies of At Boshoff.

MICHAEL ABDO says:

Deborah yes you may.

Chris says:

Michael Abdo your inserts with regard to your ex – CRC “friends is absolutely not uncommon. As always they refuse to address the issue and rather attack the person.

An invitation was sent to At Boshoff to participate in a debate regarding the doctrine he teaches and those who agree with him may also join in the debate. Unfortunately no response has yet been received do partake in this debate not from At or admirers!

It is very obvious that they always bark at a distance yet when it boils down to factual Biblical debate the only thing you hear is the sound of silence!

First come to the table for the debate then speak out against a person – but they will never do this – it was and is so in America and it will be so in South Africa.

“Who appointed you to become THE CHERIFF of that Church……….” is a common phrase or spirit speaking from Rhema. We were asked some years back “Who appointed you to become Generals………” Well if they had noticed and had enough Biblical knowledge they would realise that there are MANY Scriptures teaching Christians to judge, discern and to react against other gospels contrary to the Gospel taught by the Lord Jesus and Paul.

So as an answer to these absurd questions – if our action on discernment is from the Gospel, coincides with the Gospel and the Gospel is revealed by the Holy Spirit then the Gospel and the Holy Spirit gives believers the authority to an appointment over heresy and fake gospels.

There is at least one comment that I find partly agreeable on and that is that non-Christians will find these arguments amusing as well as to their advantage to promote their own religions of which the Muslims do to promote Islam – which is unfortunate.

On the other hand the falseness of cults such as CRC are also constantly used by these same people in the same manner for the same purpose.

Being a Christian in the true sense of Biblical Christianity requires of us to expose the works contrary to the Gospel and to avoid such gospels and to shut the mouths of those who teach false gospels for the sake of gain.

Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

Tit 1:11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake.

Etcetera……..etcetera……….etcetera!

Thank you Michael Abdo and the others who are willing to obey the Gospel of the Lord Jesus and to mark those who have another gospel teaching things they aught not to for filthy lucre, to avoid them and to stop their mouths who subvert houses teaching things for gain.

You are welcome to post this on Facebook as well.

Chris says:

Hi Debs, the study of judge not and the different Greek meanings like Ankrino, Diakrino, Krino, Krites, Hupokrites, Kritikos, Krites etcetera really helped me in discerning the whole truth regarding not judging in the body of Christ His Bride.

In context of what you said above to help Meg understand is absolutely correct. I do hope others will see the effectiveness of this topic.

It is the teaching of weak Christians which lead to a non-critical attitude. This is a tool and great deception used by Satan to make believers undiscerning hence the apostasy the Bride of Christ becomes victim to in the last days as shown in 1Tim4 and 2 Tim3.
It will be those not discerned with discernment that will easily follow wrong doctrine and ultimately the beast of Rev.13.
These are harsh things to say, but one cannot avoid what is written in the Word of the Lord.
Keep watch as the time draws to a close in the last days more so because in the last days the deception will be of such nature that it is possible for even the elect to be misled.

Most of the Christians have aready fallen prey to the ecumenical concept of synergy. All together under the authority of Rhema, C.Peter Wagner’s NAR, Rick Warren, Buchan, etcetera, etcetera.

We are not all perfect, but our doctrine should be, making us more perfect. Right doctrine will pead to right conduct and holiness is the will of God in our lives.

1Th 4:1 Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more.
1Th 4:2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.
1Th 4:3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
1Th 4:4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;
1Th 4:5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:
1Th 4:6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.
1Th 4:7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

Burning Lamp says:

Thanks Chris – I hope that Meg takes heed to your words and comes out of her deluded state. One of the first verses false teachers and their defenders trot out is the old “touch not My anointed” to insult our holy God thinking He has anointed false teachers to spread their lies.

The more lies believed, the more believe lies and the more lies are freely told and accepted. What a neat way for Satan to get people on board thinking they are being so kind and loving. Rubbish, trash and dung!!!

Rudi says:

Hi Deborah

yes that was me with a chip on my shoulder. I have not been on this site for a while due to many different reasons. I have always valued the info I get here and therefore returned a few weeks ago. I understand your passion and respect it. Next time I’ll ask for an explanation rather than giving you a hard time! I promise!

Ps. Did I really give you such a hard time? 😉

Michael says:

Chris stated…We are not all perfect, but our doctrine should be, making us more perfect. Right doctrine will pead to right conduct and holiness is the will of God in our lives.

Excellent summing up of what this blog is all about…Deb’s take encouragement that the Lord is in this work.What you have been called to do is not easy but very testing…taking on the forces of hell and Satan and the multitude of evil spirits that are very prevailent in the church today…this is real spiritual warfare and yes Deb’s you are never going to be popular but take heart neither was the Lord Jesus Christ.
I have been a child of God for many years and became also hooked and involved in the charismatic movement but by the grace of God never felt comfortable with preachers like Benny Hinn,Creflo Dollar,Hagan,and Ray McCauley etc. The warning lights have been flashing for too long now…Deb’s it was your blog that God has used to bring me back into correct doctrinal focus…thank you for your courage and commitment…a rare quality today and what has happened is that God is using you so that many souls that are drifting into the traps of Satan will be snatched from the pit. Keep going Deb’s …this is quality work…scriptures obeyed need to be engraved in every true believers heart.

Burning Lamp says:

Michael, thank you for your encouraging words for Debs and all others who are standing for truth in such a dark world. This is a difficult and mostly unappreciated ministry but you have demonstrated from personal testimony that it impacted you and snatched you from the fire. Thanks for sharing!!

santie says:

hope you enjoyed your holiday – i am interested in seeing your comments on doxa deo et al. i also had a very unpleasent experience as i actually worked for one of them. do not question, disagree or dare to differ. My bible is the word of God and He says to me all i need to know in there – all i have to do is listen (quietly!or i may miss it) Their actions do not match their words or His word. one arguement was over taking money from Lotto to do projects. The justifications given of why my Heavenly father would want me to have and use the proceeds of gambling were so funny if they were not so sad. ” if i found a lotto ticket on the ground and picked it up then God wanted me to have it” (never consider the other side wants to see if you will fall for it!)
anyway i look forward to this article with great anticipation.

Rudi says:

Santie

Santie, you wrote:

i actually worked for one of them. do not question, disagree or dare to differ

You are SOOOOOOOO right about this!! Although I wasn’t on their payroll, I might as well have been! They even said so! It got to the point that I was so busy with their churchianity and speaking their christianese that I lost what it was really all about.
I was so busy struggling through their presentations every Sunday morning, not understanding half of it and diagreeing with the rest of it. I left home on a Sunday morning 6 o’clock, leaving my wife and baby daughter at home because the Pastor (the main dude) tells you to keep your child quiet if he or she dares to make a noise. I was in charge of the R150,000-00 sound system and was responsible for switching off all the sound equipment, which meant I only returned home by 13:00. When I started talking about things, raising my concerns, I was accused of not wanting to work for God and my wife apparently suffered from post natal depression. I was asked why I only come to church when I am on duty (I was off once a month). I asked them which church they are referring to. The answer? Braam’s church.(Deborah – feel free to edit this name out but I am through protecting identities.) Not Jesus’s church!!
Don’t dare to mention Israels name either. Not unless you mean the church of cause. I am not sure off all of them but replacement theology is very popular here. God’s holy people have been replaced by their church.
On their website it says in big fat bold letters, The Doxa Deo Way (not God’s way?!?!). Their vision? Establishing God’s reign in 12 cities. Since when do we need to establish Gods reign ANYWHERE? Since when does God need us to do that anyway? Doesn’t this sound like Dominionism?
And the nonsence they preach about tithing will make the likes of At Boshoff very proud! In fact I know they will because they frequently organise trips to Oom Angus and last year when Rodney ‘Holy Ghost Bartender’ Howard-Brown went to Roebert’s church (River Ministries) in East London, they organised a minibus for the trip from PE as well. These false prophets are all endorsed by At as well.
I also know some of them took leave from work to sit and listen to Tod Bentley’s antics on GodTV.
I can go on and on but I’m afraid I might sound like a whinge. What I’m trying to say is that Doxa is about controlling people and even the Holy Spirit with their programs and schedules. When a friend of mine asked if the Praise & Worship (he was in the team) can be longer, they told him that the P&W team should produce a better product. We need to take a stand and confront these false prophets. Face to face.

Molon Labe you wrote:

I do not know who this guy in your article is, and I do not care

Why are you on this blog? I mean, what was the aim of your visit? Did you stumble upon it by accident or were you looking for something? If you dont know At Boshoff why are you defending him? Have you ever been to CRC Bfn? Have you ever listened to the nonsense he sells? Some of us have and out of our concern for fellow believers we want to warn them.

Deborah

Welcome back to civilisation! Oh, and yes, we have grown. In fact, while I was in Doxa, it felt like I was stuck. Luckily God sent me others to help me understand that I wasn’t alone and to help me understand and grow in the real Jesus.

God Bless!!

Desmond says:

Reading many of the comments leaves me very concerned by what is happening in the “church” arenas in the world, especially in the USA which has found its way into our country. No doubt we are living in the closing days of which Jesus warned us to guard against deception.We certainly need discernment more than ever now as we see every one doing their own thing. Humility is greatly conspicious by its abscence as we see the flambouyancy and commercialising of the Gospel. And its all done in the name of our precious Lord and Saviour. Men who mount the podiums and stages with all their degrees i.e Titles such as Doctors, Bishops, Reverends, Pastors, Dominees,Rabbi,s Apostles etc. whilst Jesus said to call no man by title, for we are all brethren. A Bishop, Pastor etc. is just another Elder which are all ministries, not titles. Jesus became the son of man by example, “took upon him the form of a servant and humbled himself and became obedient, even to the death of the cross” There will be some great dissapointments one day. It is best to start over and examine where we stand as workmen when we divide the word of truth.
Paul has warned how certain men will come and preach. This is very important (2Cor.14:13)Quote;
“For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And marvel not; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is NO GREAT THING IF HIS MINISTERS ALSO BE TRANSFORMED AS THE MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS” unquote(That’s scary)
I hope my comments have been edifying. I am a senior citizen who have been following Jesus for just on fifty years by his grace. I was fortunate to have found Salvation as a young man.
I have become very aware of how we sould conduct our vocation in life and for the Lord to “teach me to number my days and to apply my heart unto wisdom” (Ps.90:12)
May the Lord grant us wisdom and grace.

anon says:

I visited CRC Cape Town since last year and have discovered that 90% of their sermons as well as the focus in cell groups is on wealth and prosperity. One evening the pastor said if we don’t tithe we will bring a curse on ourselves. They also like to play a video where they threaten “not to tithe = robbing God”. If I argue that my giving money to the poor and to needy family mambers constitutes my tithe, then they very legalistically disagree and say that charity is over and above the tithe and that the tithe must go directly to the church (the storehouse). This begs the question: if they are then not using the tithes for charity, what are they using them for? I have found the general atmosphere to be very autocratic and nobody is allowed to question anything. As soon as you question anything, you get parrot fashion answers as everyone has been brainwashed with the same doctrine. At Boschoff recommends that congregants read books by Fred Price who is a false preacher of the prosperity gospel. Oh yes, and At Boshoff’s spiritual father was apparently once upon a time none other than Ray MaCauley…another big prosperity gospel preacher. There is also a sense of spiritual pride amongst certain leaders…because the focus is on becoming “super-spiritual giants” and the bigger your faith the bigger your reward. Of course if you are poor and sick, then according to them it means that your faith is lacking and you are not spiritually mature enough. One of the leaders said that the aim of CRC is to get every member to be so attractive to the outside world by becoming prosperous due to attending the church that this will attract more people to join CRC. They have clearly lost the focus of the Great Commission of Jesus Christ: which is not to make the church bigger and wealthier and more comfortable in our church pews, BUT TO GO OUT AND MAKE DISCPLES, HEAL THE SICK, SET THE CAPTIVES FREE, SPREAD THE GOOD NEWS!

Dion says:

Hi Debs, long time no speak. You’re such a blessing to so many and you must continue standing strong in the faith… no matter how tough or how lonely or how scary.., you must stand strong. If you wanna call me feel free my sister.
PS. Hi there Chris!

Sipho Mnyakeni says:

Wow. To the website admin. Thanks for daring. I have been having sessions on my facebook, commenting on teh church related issues and sychopants of these false teachers will swallow you live because they prefer to defend the SERMON rather than the WORD. I ma glad just under my nose is such a ministry. I hope we can interact and continue to sound a warning alarm to the church. I ma in Bloemfontein at a campus based church. At the core of my teaching is TEST ALL THINGS and the Pastor is NOT THE BOSS Jesus is.

anon says:

I like the comment by Sipho that the pastor is not the boss, but Jesus is!

I had an experience at CRC where I was just a visitor and I kept being pressurised by someone in the leadership to join the church and being told that I must submit to the authority that God has placed over me…….even though I was just a visitor! Does anyone know if there is any validity in the idea that one is under the “covering” of the church leadership/the church that one is a member of? To me it felt more like manipulation and control. I told them that I am visiting different churches because I am still trying to find out where God wants me to be situated (because I actually have a calling on my life – but I did not tell them about my calling because they keep on telling me I can’t get more involved in programs until I am more spiritually mature!).

I also told them that I do not believe in the prosperity gospel as this is not the true gospel of Jesus Christ. Which then begs the question…….who or what are they really worshipping and praying to in that church? … A false altar??

They also endorse word-faith/positive confession theology (which I think just results in many people lying because they are not allowed to state anything negative even when they are sick or poor or sad). Another thing that made me uncomfortable there is the way they teach people to pray in tongues…I was told to babble along and make up words…I don’t think this is the true gift of speaking in tongues. It doesn’t seem that people are being led by the Spirit when praying in tongues (but I could be wrong).

Robbie says:

Hi Debs.

Anon re:Covering

Old John Bevere (and N.A.R.) effort following his book “UNDER COVER” in

More and more people are becoming concerned with the rise of this theology because it has led to spiritual abuse, controlling church leadership and spiritual shipwreck.

http://coveringandauthority.com/

michael barnard says:

my hart is so sore for you guys

its sad how you despize a church that is making such a profound impact on South Africa and bringing Gods magnificent love to the masses

here is a word for you guys:
MAT 23 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4 They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.”

are YOU Mr Dion Knoesen prepared to go out and make desiples of many nations as the bible comands us to do ??????? or is it easyer to just sit and “Critique” wherever YOU find offence

yes i give money to the church not becase im forced to do so but because i have purposed it in my hart to give to expand Gods kingdom what is the big deal

im sorry you guys are so hurt

i pray that our God blesses you abundently in all you put your hand to and that he may shine his glorios love apon you more then ever before !!!!!!

no church is perfect but lets work together to make it stronger not devide it

Chris says:

Michael, you really need to study the Word in depth.
Have you read the article “Honor God” at the beginning of these comments to see how At Boshoff contorts Scripture to suck money from congregants?
Read the article and address the issue then read Matt. 23 again and hopefully you would see that At is the Pharisee and not Dion.
Why has At Boshof fand his pastors not responded to the invitation to participate in the debate.
By the way you are welcome to join forces with At Boshoff to attend and support him the debate – but alas I already know that such request will never be met.
It is a pity that many Christians are not even schooled in the milk let alone the meat.
I always hear the same clichés – the church is not perfect – well according to the Scripture the doctrine of the church should be – sinless not totally but increasingly sinless yes – holiness is an obedient growth.
The fact is that we are not talking about being perfectly sinless, but we are talking about being perfect in doctrine.
Sort out doctrine then your Christian church will be much better off.
These pastors are teaching worldliness – something Jesus condemns completely.
I’d rather listen to Jesus than to At.

anon says:

Sorry – typing error in the first row of paragraph 2:
CRC focuses very heavily on financial prosperity…tithing and sowing a seed brings a RETURN etc

anon says:

@ “FOOLS”

Actually the statement that all authority is from God should not be thrown around so carelessly. There are many many many false ministries made of false pastors, false evangelists, false prophets, false apostles, and false people. Jesus even warns us about this and we are instructed to test everything and to use discernment. The “authority” behind these false minsistries is only satan himself….sent to deceive the very elect…..and NOT God. And these false ministers who are preaching another gospel are going to have to answer to Jesus, and He may very possibly say “get away from me you evildoers, for I do not know you…..” (Mattthew 7 vs 22). The prosperity gospel is another gospel, it is not the true and pure gospel of Jesus Christ.

If nobody blows the trumpet to warn people and expose deception, then people’s spiritual wellbeing could be in danger!

I am sure that CRC also does a lot of good as they have a focus on saving the lost at any cost, and they do have some charity involvement. But at the same time if there is deception in a ministry then it means that there is some involvement of evil spirual forces because satan is the master of deception……and this is where people’s spiritual wellbeing is in danger.

Why doesnt CRC accept the offer of public debate by Dion Knoesen?

lilly says:

In my opinion, it is not where you worship God that is important, it is whether you are truely saved.

I don’t think any Church out there is 100% perfect, not one. I am a committed CRC member and very proud to say it. I tith, i give my offering, i give my plege. I believe in sowing a seed and i have many times experienced the wonder of return.

CRC is the only church were i truly found God. Where i felt the presence of God. I have had my doubts, but it was because of slanderers. I do not serve people, pastors or anyone. I serve God with my deeds, my money and my time. I believe that GOD sees our hearts and He knows our deeds. LET HIM DEAL WITH WHOMEVER IS MISLEADING PEOPLE.

So i should wander looking for the perfect church then?? NOBODY ON THIS CHURCH IS PERFECT, NOBODY. SO LET HIM THAT IS WITHOUT SIN THROW THE FIRST STONE. GOD IS THE ONLY JUDGE.

Paul says:

Anon. The god of this world is Satan (otherwise how could he have offered it to the Messiah) but he cannot do anything unless he runs past God. God allows it but I am not sure that I would use the word authority rather than allowing it.
False religions like Judaism and Islam and murderous leaders like Hitler and Malema come from Satan as he is their god.
2Cor 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Paul says:

Hi Deborah.
What is the reason that all of my recent comments have never been published? Everything that I said is Scriptural.

Rudi says:

HI Debs

havent chatte din a while and just checked in again. i see you mentioned in one of the posts above that you can give contact details of someone in Bloem. Can I have it as well? Thanks!

CRC for ever( Sthembile Foko) says:

Ok………. Dion or what ever your name is, if you think you are so hollier that all of us ” wolves in sheep skin” then I would like to see you try and do what MY PASTOR (and I dare call him that) does. I love Pastor Att and Nyeretta and I stand firmly for what they belive in . Im glad that those of you who claimed to be victims have left our mists. You may condemn all you want, Its your right but do not publicly humiliate someones husband, someone’s father in public like that. Tell me, should you have this debate with PASTOR ATT (how sweet that sounds) will Jesus himself come down to pick the winner? NO! Give it up, My Pastor, is too busy doing the work of God, than to have to dance to the beat of the likes of you. As for the one who accused the pastor’s son of wanting to attack him…. LOL Ja! that was a good one, you must be really tinny for david to scare you or a really Gigantic liar. So I will tell you whats going to happen: You guys are going to continue to put our church down and make us look bad, then we are going to continue Lifting up Gods name and winning souls and building family churches (one Church many locations).

Chris says:

If At Boshoff was so enlightened with so much revelation knowledge as he himself claims to have as well as all his supporters, why doesn’t he take up the challenge to debate publically.
It is obvious from his teachings of which the one on tithing here is proof of his being unlearned in the Scriptures. In 1 Corinthians 14:24 the Greek word for unlearned is “Idiotes” In English “Idiot”.
In 2 Peter 3:16 the word for unlearned in Greek is “Amathes” meaning unskilled, illiterate. The obvious synonym to this refers to “Idiotes” once again.
Now we have to wonder who the “Fools” are………..Mmmmmmmmm????

kgosi says:

CRC is changing lives of people and a sanctuary for the lost and saints, growing exponentially and building structure all over the place. I think Pastor Boshoff must be doing something right and if there are mistakes,did you take time to pray for him,or is your self righteous doctrine so important that everyone can go to hell. And hey, how many church members does this ‘ministry of mgozi’ have? I thought so.

Mo says:

Hi, I found that this is the only web that expose the wrongs in CRC and its teaching as far as I know. I live in London, UK. Someone I know goes to CRC London. At that time, we were friends (not anymore, sadly)and challenged him with what I found ‘questionable’. He took it serious in the first place but later on seemed to judge that I was just dividing the body of Christ. The church is big and lots of young people (20-30s). The worship music was just like a ‘gig’. They rent a cinema in a dome for Sunday service. Nobody around me was opening the Bible (it was so dark so you cannot read the Bible anyway because it is cinema). I accessed to their sermons. It is not entirely wrong but there is hardly any explanation of context of the bible they are talking about. I can smell ‘word faith theology’ here and there. As almost no context, I am confused what this preacher wanted to say from the scriptures. They focus on the number of people (the physical size of the church) under the banner of ‘reach the lost at any cost’. But I wonder if they really come to the Lord with genuine understanding of the salvation (not just being saved from financial or relational problems). I just don’t understand including this guy, why so many 20-30, even 40 single Christian people are attracted to this church regardless of such a poor teaching. I posted my honest comment of confusion on their sermon online, they always immediately put a comment like ‘this preaching is life changing’ or ‘awesome preaching’ with many stars to rate higher….but again, no explanation or comment how awesome from the Bible what so ever……..I just want to ask you guys….why so many young people are attracted to such a church based on a wrong / poor teaching??? I now they say like ‘dream big because God is big’ or ‘be positive to get your life positive and successful’. Sounds it is not entirely wrong, but living in this end time, ‘success’ is not physical…..You may not get promoted, you may lose things that you used to afford but He takes us to the spiritual place where we couldn’t see in the life surrounded by stuff. Am I wrong? I wanted to see more sermons in this church but there is no public access to the teaching resources unless you register to this church…..I don’t understand why they do this, though……anyway, I smell something fishy from this church but no one says anything and seems very attractive to those young professionals. Is this the same in South Africa?

Chris says:

Khosi, please look at the origin opf this topic. Do you agree how At Boshoff contorts the Scripture as he did above?

Our war is not against flesh and blood but against the spiritual messages being spoken.

At Boshoff is a deciever!

I have just learnt of another of his pastors this morning who has jumped off this CRC Titanic headed for disaster.

The Bible is clear – it is not about quantity by aboutl doctrinal quality. You will know them by their fruits and their fruits is not quantity – go read Galatians.

Read Matthew 23 – like the pharisees make converts twice the sons of the devil so does AT Boshoff. They like to be seen in the market places, they like to sit in the front rows of the synagogue in reserved seats.

Yes, we do pray God to have mercy on At, but we do not support his devilish doctrine. We will however accept him as a brother after he repents – God willing.

Paul says:

Deborah.
Sorry, I read of your illness after I posted my comment about not approving them. Just happy that your ar well now.

kgosi says:

Chris wrote:

Khosi, please look at the origin opf this topic. Do you agree how At Boshoff contorts the Scripture as he did above?
Our war is not against flesh and blood but against the spiritual messages being spoken.
At Boshoff is a deciever!
I have just learnt of another of his pastors this morning who has jumped off this CRC Titanic headed for disaster.
The Bible is clear – it is not about quantity by aboutl doctrinal quality. You will know them by their fruits and their fruits is not quantity – go read Galatians.
Read Matthew 23 – like the pharisees make converts twice the sons of the devil so does AT Boshoff. They like to be seen in the market places, they like to sit in the front rows of the synagogue in reserved seats.
Yes, we do pray God to have mercy on At, but we do not support his devilish doctrine. We will however accept him as a brother after he repents – God willing.

How many people out there are going to hell whilst we christians play our “perfect religion” games, Pastor Boshoff is on the right track, he is populating heaven at the expense of hell, and yes that sounds more like Christianity to me. Your efforts to discredit this man of God will not work, discern your own hearts and make right b4 its late.

SSBG says:

Kgosi, There are many scriptures that teach the opposite of what At Boshoff and all the prosperity teachers teach – take some time and go make a study of scripture and if you ask the Holy Spirit to speak to your heart and reveal the real truth to you, you will have to agree that they are deceivers and false teachers. The first scripture I suggest to get you going is 1 Tim 6:3-10

Concerned says:

It is difficult to find a church that is totally Gospel based. Where can I worship in Bfn then that is “safe”

Chris De Wet says:

Concerned ,my situation was that of getting involved with too many orginizations rather tahn with Scripture itself.
One thing is for sure and that is the more you know the Scriptures the quicker your discernment.
As my friends used to say in Afrikaans “My kop raas” (My head is noisy) and that is due to being confused by every doctrine.
This is why Paul and Jesus said that we should stick with the doctrine of Christ and no other, because God is not the author of confusion.
I eventually became so annoyed by this one’s then that one’s preaching that I decided to stay at home and study the Bible first.
When sports fishermen catch a Marlyn it only jumps a couple of times then it dives into the depths of the ocean. This they call sounding.
Well this is what I decided to do when things became to noisy. I withdrew and looked and studied into the Scriptures prayerfully for some years – especially the New Testament as this is the era we are living in now and it is specific to the Church.
The result was that whenever someone would say something which did not gel with what the Scriptures taught me I would simply ignore it.
It takes the confusion away.
My suggestion would be for you to do the same. Then go and look what IFCC is all about using the Word of God to discern for you, you should then decide. It has a better impact than someone telling you that there is a problem for with example IFCC.
May the Lord help you in this.

Petrus du Toit says:

I wonder why the personal attack . I wonder if you’re aware that it shows weakness which generally indicates that you have an incling that you might be wrong .

You love pulling out a few words and using that completely out of context as you do with At’s . I was expecting an intelectual response but I got an attack , sorry if I offended you but maybe I should’ve let the truth and only the real truth hit you .

Dont bother posting this as I wont be visiting your website again . I will be leading people and winning people for christ and do that through his ministry .

These attacks by the evil ( which you proved you were by the way you responded ) wont set me back and soul by soul will be won .

Have a great day

Beverley says:

Poor Deborah

With some of these ‘christians’ you can’t win. What you must pray is that the Lord drops a brick on their head to wake them up. That is what happened to me!! Love

In His Grip
Beverley

die kleinhond says:

Shame you guys obviously have huge problems in the giving department and the faith department. Trying to rationalize your way out of giving to the church. Seems to me that it is you and not the members of CRC who has trouble letting go of their finances.

Chris says:

Brilliant the stuff about social engineering.

Jesus must have lacked the skills of social engineering when he rebuked the pharisees and corrected Peter and others.

Luke, Paul, Peter James and John etcetera followed Jesus’s example in His lack of social engineering skills when they corrected, excamunicated warned and rebuked the false teachers and prophets so rife in the Bible.

Werner says:

Dude,

I believe you when you state that ‘people pay allot for this stuff’. The world indeed pays allot for folly and tickling of the ears…

Like Rick Warren & Co, you mix worldly pop-psychology, marketing and business with the Word of God. This blog (correct me if I’m wrong Debs), are not a social-friendly, seeker-friendly site. It’s also not to promote what we believe to be the truth of God, it’s rather to promote as you rightly stated, the Acts 17:11 approach, and only God and His Word can be and is Truth…hence these posts only confirm what already transpires in the Word of God.

We are not interested in starting a movement or an army – but to live out Jude 1:3! I’m involved in strategy myself, and from a professional and secular point of view ‘social engineering’ does not belong in the work or business environment as it’s tactics involve manipulating people, exploiting human vulnerabilities, and influencing groups of people. These tactics border on CULT like methods and techniques; you will be welcomed by promoting your pop-psychology to Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses.

True social engineering in a sense is being able to measure ecology by means of standardised scientific based assessment scales; based on FACTS – help individuals, groups, and organisations to make their OWN choices by giving them a holistic view of their social-anthropology. Since you’re not able or qualified to perform the above mentioned; please do not continue to psychologise, manipulate and brain-wash individuals into your thinking.

Reading a few books at the local store does not make one an expert in sociology, but reading a few books at the local supermarket on pseudoscience, and believing that you are an expert = ignoramus, bungler, cretin, and dullard!

Robbie says:

Williamc
Product of At?… great “testimony” William… for you and AT. Oh and no need to explain your lack of biblical knowledge. It is evident in your comment and interpretation what you think the Gospel should be..

Why do people curse and swear? – one reason: authority. People want to sound forceful and authoritative when they speak, so they spice their speech up with all sorts of catchy little “power words”. Unfortunately, such words always dishonor God, the Bible, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Friend, TRUTH is all of the authority you need. Just read and compare the truth here as it is revealed in God’s Word and you’ll have no use for “Christian cursing”.

Remember: “But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.” (Mat. 12:36)

Ephesians 5:4 – Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving.

Ephesians 4:29 – Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.

Colossians 3:8-10 – But now you must put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and obscene talk from your mouth. Do not lie to one another, seeing that you have put off the old self with its practices and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator.

Colossians 4:6 – Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer each person.

Colossians 3:8 – But now you must put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and obscene talk from your mouth.

Matthew 12:37 – For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

Philippians 4:8 – Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things.

And then there is holy living… but let us take one subject at a time – we will do holy living next time.

Beverley says:

Hi Deborah
What my Mom always said about people who talk like this is ….that they are just low class. He thinks he is saved writing like this … you go figure!!

Anyhow they don’t understand what is going on. Why? because they don’t want to. Talk about ignorance is bliss. They love all this ‘happy clappy’, I am much more precious, holy, saved than you. Besides I tithe and do some good works and come out of church on Sundays feeling such a ‘happy chappy’. I just know I am going to the right church, even if I swear like a rubbish.

Here is the test they should try. Go to your Pastor and tell him you are broke and could the church please give/lend you some of that money. Just until you come right and are ‘blessed’ like him.

See what I mean about dropping a ‘brick’. But in this case it is more like a tank.

Beverley
In His Grip

Chris says:

Yip something comes to mind – Salvation Terminator starring Arnold Schwatzernegger or rather Salvation CRC starring At Boshoff.

Chris says:

The contention regarding the doctrine of Mr. Boshoff is not to be taken lightly. There are many who have lost a much when realizing what CRC and Rhema really is about, but often too late.

There are many, fortunately not all, but many who after getting hurt in CRC who have been so disappointed that they blame God for what has happened.
It is due to the seriousness of blaming God after such big disappointment that I would like to call those who got hurt back to follow the Lord Jesus.

Understandably some without the proper understanding may react by blaming God, after all God is love so how is it then that God has allowed this deception in those who have such a zeal for goodness and His love?

As Paul wrote concerning Israel: Rom 10:1- 3 Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

This righteousness of God is only revealed in the Gospel: Rom 1:16 -17 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Having the righteousness of God being revealed in the Gospel it is obvious that we should study this Gospel and give credence to the doctrine in this Gospel then ONLY do the just live by faith. That now is where faith is identified and understood.

Our faith is not faith in positive thinking as the world sees it (We should however follow the Biblical way with a correct rendering of positive attitude), but our faith and faithfulness is revealed in the pages of the Holy Word. The more you study the more you realise your errors and the more the Word leads you.

Even those who then have a zeal for God as in Romans 10, but not according to knowledge are in danger of deception. As Jesus warned the Pharisees: Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

In the pages of the Bible there are many warnings to take heed against deceivers, false prophets, teachers etc. who are out to mislead God’s flock. If this misleading was not possible then the warnings the Lord and His Apostles gave us are in vain.

If these deceivers were not to increase in the latter days then the Lord has lied to us which is impossible with God.

In fact if we do not obey the Lord God’s Word and we do not love the Truth which is His Word a deception is inevitable; 2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Salvation continues after you have been saved – the Lord promised that He will continue a good work in those who are saved but obviously freedom comes to those who CONTINUE in the Word and obey the Word.

Yes, and the Lord Jesus also said that when He leaves us the Comforter He (The Spirit) will lead us into all that is true – but then we need to follow His Spirit and be obedient.

Interestingly His Spirit is the Words spoken by Him – Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

So the more obedient you are to His Word the more the Spirit will lead you – No wonder the Psalms teach us that His word is a lamp to our feet – hence being guided by His Spirit.

If we are not lead by this Lamp we WILL go astray AND SOME OTHER SPIRIT WILL BE LEADING US!!

Remember the Lord gives His Spirit to those who are obedient: Act 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Those who are rebelliously disobedient will have another Spirit leading them; Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

The Lord has given us the Scriptures which is the true prophetic Word and in this Word He has warned us to study the Word and obey the Word to be able to walk in righteousness and in truth.

So if we have not studied the whole Council of the Lord, obeyed this Council and then were mislead, we dare not blame God but ourselves – we were forewarned by Him.

If you are in a congregation where a pastor has backslidden or fallen but has a repentant heart, restore him in meekness, but if he is rebellious and has no repentant heart and does not listen to righteous council withdraw from such.

My heart’s desire is for Christians who were hurt by “churches” and pastors to return to the pages of the Bible, because in them you will find the Lord’s guidance which will when obeyed lead you righteously away from error to set you free in the Truth.

My plea is for those who rejected their faith as result of getting hurt by others to return to Jesus the only true Shepherd.

May God’s grace be extended to you and heal you.

Starlight says:

CRC’s motto is bothersome to me: “I WILL, I CAN”. it sounds like they still need to do a lot of ‘dying to self’.

MICHAEL says:

HI THERE FELLOW BELIEVERS,

GOING THROUGH ALL THE COMMENTS AGAIN, IT BOGGLES MY MIND HOW ALL THESE SAVED PEOPLE STAND UP BUT HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE WORD OF GOD. I WAS ALWAYS CONCERNED WITH THE FALSE PROPHETS AND THERE ARE MANY, BUT THEN THIS VERSE CAME TO MIND

2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2Ti 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

THE THEY ARE CHURCH MEMBERS, CONGREGATION, PEOPLE IN THE CHURCH THAT ARE LOST GATHER FOR THEMSELVES THE AT BOSHOFF’S. RAY MCAULEYS, ECT.

THANKS FOR GOOD WORK YOU GUYS ARE DOING.MAY GOD BLESS AND REWARD YOU GREATLY.

Robbie says:

>>>… why do some love Jesus and hear the truth and others don’t…<<<

Must have something to do with a narrow road and a very small gate Debs.

Momlovesu says:

Hi Deborah,

My theory on why others don’t want to “hear” the truth is because it will require an action on their part. Most prefer to “go along to get along” because the other option is to confront and be persecuted. In this way they are only serving man, not God. What they don’t realize is the amazing growth in their walk with Jesus Christ they can experience when they defend HIM instead of worrying about their earthly comforts. As hard as it is I can think of no greater honor than to defend my Lord and Savior. Our society today pushes post modernism so much, we mistakenly think it applies even within the walls of our own churches.

Thank you for your website. I just used your vast amount of information to discuss a couple topics my college aged son asked me this weekend. You are a blessing to my family.

hilola says:

at least Benny Hinn is carrying the great mandate of going to all nations preaching the gospel.Instilling fear and confusion to people poinitng false prophets,,who does it help?the gospel is good news yes Jesus said it to warn those already saved those who actually received the good news.Who are you helping with all this?Would a sinner come to Jesus through this?

Trisha says:

I was asking myself similar questions as to why I was so blessed as to have had my eyes opened to the real gospel and been shepherded by Him out of the harlot church, when others who seemed sincere and were doing their best to serve God were continuing to labour with a false gospel. I was no better than these folks, and they were no worse than me. Maybe there is more to it, however, the only difference I could find was the suffering I had experienced in my life. In other words, a little thing called a cross!!! Only by having the veil of our flesh torn through the carrying of a cross, the crucifixion of our flesh nature, is it possible to enter into the kingdom of God. In other words by walking the same narrow Way that Jesus walked, and this is what it means to follow Him. Crossless Christianity is not what we have received from the apostles and prophets, Christianity without a cross is merely another religion that uses His name and gets off onto all kinds of tangents.

Hester says:

@ Momlovesu. You said “My theory on why others don’t want to “hear” the truth is because it will require an action on their part. Most prefer to “go along to get along” because the other option is to confront and be persecuted.” Exactly!! but the other side of the coin is also, one has to admit to oneself that you were wrong. Wow! How difficult that is! because I use to have all the “right” arguments lined up in terms of what I have learnt at ‘church’ and then suddenly I had to realise but that was not the TRUTH at all! I found myself suddenly thinking what DO I believe now? And then came the hard work, digging in the Word of God and allowing the Holy Spirit to teach me and daily walking that road. Walking in the Spirit as opposed to the flesh is a constant, second by second reminder of who we represent and we’d better be prepared for much ‘pruning’ and laying down of self. Ouch!!

Trisha says:

In seeing the false gospels and many deceptions, it seems to my observation at least that the common denominator between them all lies in the fact that the sheep are feeding on the words of man rather than the words of God. Man coming between God and His sheep – clergy-laity division, in other words. In still other words: religious Babylon – which we are called to come out of. (I haven’t read every single post in their entirety, so my apologies if I’m repeating what others have mentioned.)

Dion says:

Hester my friend, You are spot on with your assessment and comment iro Nomlovesu! THAT is where the real problem lies. People do not really know God for Who He is and what He did for them. They do not know enough of Him so as to know ALL of Him as revealed in His Word (His attributes is usually a good place to start),they only know the “love” part and the ABBA Father part the latter of which they consider a license that “allows” them to see Him as their “Daddy” their “pal” their “go-to-man in time of need of selfish earthly things” so therefore, they do not see His righteousness, His holiness, His absolutely non-negotiable standards and for this reason they will not see their own depraved sinful condition from which they have to repent. This repentance has to be in line with what God’s Word says repentance is all about. Getting to that very necessary point of ackowledging who and what you are compared to who and what God wants you to be so that He could have His way in your life, and for His glory.., THAT is where the problem lies. If only people could know that THAT very necessary point in life is where the TOTAL solution lies also! If man does not get to KNOW WHO God is, man will not see his desperate and serious need for repentance. How sad is that! Bless you my friend and Bless you too Deborah my dear sister!

Sarah says:

Doxa Deo and CRC are nothing more than cults masquerading as Christianity….

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Rofhi says:

Hi Guys,

Do i still have to continue to pay my tithes?

Chris says:

Karel, Yes you are correct in saying that people are to be recognized according to their fruits. The fruits however are commonly misunderstood as quantity rather than quality. Galatians tells us what the fruits are: Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Be very careful to recognize quantity in numbers as good fruits. The Lord Himself said that the way is narrow and few will find this road, especially in the last days where there will be an apostasy or falling away from the truth.

In fact be very wary of large numbers – the Bible warns us that this will not be the case in the last days.
In fact it would seem as if he is leading many people to the Lord – read Matt. 23 to see where some were converted into. I was at CRC and I know for a fact based on sound doctrine that At Boshoff is misleading people due to a doctrine totally foreign to that of the apostles – one simply has to read the Bible and compare it to what Boshoff teaches.

Bringing another gospel within the perimeters of doctrinal error will mislead those who do not have enough Biblical discernment to be able to distinguish truth from error.

Yes and you are totally correct to say that At Boshoff has built a large church. This is not the church where the Lord Jesus is the head but rather At Boshoff.

How in the precious Name of the Lord can anyone build a church or the church. This is only done by God. At Boshoff cannot “build” the bride of Christ only the Lord Jesus Christ has this divine ability.

In acts 2 we read clearly: Act 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Karel, one simply cannot take one verse out of the Bible and say that that is gospel you need to look at the context and quoting Luke 6:37 to mean one ought not to judge at all. The word used in Luke means to condemn or punish unfairly without righteous judgment.

Look at John 7:24 the Lord Jesus Himself gave instruction to judge righteously Joh 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Paul said to the congregation at Corinth it was a shame that they lacked judgment amongst themselves: 1Co 6:5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?

I personally have the same sentiment as Paul in the “church” today. People lack judging themselves and the congregation. This is exactly why the church is in the mess it is in today a lack of judgment will lead to a lack in discipline which will have the effect of a morally weak and bad church and sinful church. A church with absolutely no discernment at all.

In 1Tim 5:20 we read that one who sins should be rebuked publically so others will fear. Just look at the multitude of verses in the Bible condoning rebukes. How then will anyone be in a position to rebuke if he is not able to judge first?

We are instructed to watch out for false teachers and prophets – how will this be possible if we are called not to judge?

There are plenteous instances in the Bible where we are instructed to judge – but it has to be righteous.

Concerning doctrine: One has to make sure that you do not formulate your own doctrine. People were astonished at the doctrine of the Lord Jesus. This He left us in His Word and we need to know and learn and abide by His doctrine. Paul calls everyone to be of one mind – so nobody may interpret the Bible as he or she wants to otherwise we will not be of the same mind.
If we find that the likes of At Boshoff has brought a foreign doctrine and would want to debate him in public he a=has a perfect opportunity to defend that doctrine and to prove others wrong – so why has he not responded? Because he does not have the Biblical knowledge to do so!
Correct Doctrine is extremely vital to the survival and wellbeing of the church.
As Paul instructed Timothy: 1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

Chris says:

Albert. This is the way things are supposed to be going in the last days before the return of the Lord. There will be many false teachers, prophets and Christs.

First there must be a falling away from the truth – 2 Thess. 2:3 plus these people who follow these clowns are at the time in history when they will not endure sound doctrine but will heap up to themselves teachers while having itching ears and turn away their ears from truth – 2Tim 4 We also read about this in 1Tim 4 and 2Tim 3.

what is fact however is that not only these false pastors are to blame, but the very people who have the itching ears who keep these wolves fed and hunting.

Albert says:

“new to CRC” hmm Pst Thabo is by far more cunning with words and preaching than even At from the mother church. I know the UK CRC very well- and even most of the members. I know a lot of their believes, some are very good and some are very dangerous. I have seen families torn apart by Thabo asking even members (and a pastor i know) to cut away from family because they are not in Gods will- well as far as Thabo was concerned. To be honest with you i do not want to just point fingers and blame it on the end times as Chris, and i do not want to speak with bitterness about these things as it seems Deborah does, but i do want to speak truth about what i know and what i saw with my own eyes. Maybe it will give you a fuller picture of how things are done in CRC or maybe not- that will be your choice. Email me at [email removed] and ill be happy to chat with you some more…

Chris says:

New to CRC.

There are many discussions on water baptisms.

What is of importance is that having been baptizedin and confirmed when still an infant bears no value at all.

What is of value is your re-birth which can only happen when one is old enough to make a choice for the Lord after repentance – infant baptism does not include this as an infant is unable to make that decision and knows not of what to repent of.

After this there are instructions to be baptised in water – but your salvation does not depend on water baptism – water baptism in this sense takes the place of the Lord’s redemptive work on the cross which is the crux of the gospel. Anything in its place becomes idolatary!(Baptism becomes an idol if it takes the place of salvation by Chris alone)

When the thief on the cross accepted the Lord Jesus for Who the Lord was……the Lord Jesus did not tell the thief to climb down from the cross to be baptized in water first before he would qualify to be in Paradise with the Lord.

Your waetr baptism after salvation of your soul is an outward testimony of being dead to sin and coming out of the water a testimony to your resurrection as a new creature in the Lord Jesus.

Yes, and nobody is completely sinless after salvation, but one WILL need to run the race of holiness in obedience to the ordinances of the Lord and continue to strive and exercise unto holiness.

As concerning being a new convert to CRC I am not even going to advise a cautious approach by giving an orange light on a very busy and demonic intersection. The light there is RED.

Come out of that cult and follow the Lord Jesus. God adds those who are saved to valid and true church. No man can add you to this church and you yourself cannot add yourself to this church.

Read: Acts 2:47 – Act 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

The big deception is that people are being baptised and confirmed into something called the church – this is works by man and not grace by faith in the Lord where the Lord adds one to His Church, His Bride.

Remember many are called but few are chosen!!

I pray that the Lord will make you see this precious truth.

New To CRC says:

Thank you for your insight and comments.

I will pray for the Lords guidance.

Dean says:

What amuses me is people get saved through a ministry and we have a certain cats choir that bashes the work of God and think they know it all. my guess is you lot have been offended by the church and never grown past your own noses. I was saved in crc pretoria 7yrs ago, and now serve God in a foreign country (not sent by crc and now serve in a different local body). praise God for At Boshoff’s obedience, if he wasn’t obedient, myself and my family and many friends would not know Jesus. I still listen to many of At’s sermons. At’s obedience has had a huge impact on my life and my minstry in the middle east and all this while he is not even aware of it. the last time i spoke to At Boshoff was 5yrs ago. Muslims are coming to faith and being discipled by some one, myself, who got saved in crc. But hey i guess this is the work of the devil?? one thing i know is Jesus is very much present at crc. but you lot on this sight clearly do not know what Jesus thinks of his universal church. rev 3: 14-22 might help, Jesus says “i stand at the door and knock”. Jesus wasn’t even in this church, he was at the door knocking, yet still addressed it as a church (his body) in verse 14. So before you slander ANY church, think twice.

Chris says:

Dean.
I can understand your frustration because I was also in favour of At Boshoff as well as in CRC for some time. If anyone questioned At Boshoff or CRC I was not happy and thought that those who came up against At, did so without proper discernment and was not to judge.

However after investigating At Boshoff’s teaching and comparing it with Scripture I was taken aback by the differences and the opposing sermons At had conducted in CRC. I simply had to decide between At Boshoff’s rendering of the Gospel versus that which the Lord Jesus, Paul, Peter James, John etcetera taught.

I do not blame you for mentioning how amazed you are at the multitudes that – get saved – at CRC but as Paul wrote to the Galatians especially chapter 3:1 where Paul asks the Galatian congregation who has bewitched them (The word “bewitched” in the Greek is ‘Baskaino’ meaning fascinated or amazed) I was also amazed and fascinated by all the “saved” there.

I would want to caution you however that salvation comes by hearing the Word or the Gospel and clearly At is teaching a foreign gospel as you would have noticed at the beginning of this discussion.

What I still find amusing is that everyone who stands up for At Boshoff regarding this article has never defended the contortion of the Scriptures above y At – Biblically that is – to investigate At’s interpretation versus sound exegesis.

Your accusation that people who stand up for the truth “have not grown past their own noses” is unfounded because it is the Scriptures that led us away from At, CRC etcetera. I would caution you in this regard, because you are not slandering us as such but the Scriptures and what the Lord Jesus taught us through His Word.

You are welcome to invite Boshoff and to join him to debate the matter on camera – but then again this will not happen.

Yes and how often have I heard that people were saved by At Boshoff in CRC. Well the Scriptures are clear and that is that salvation is only through Christ and Him alone. The question is what are people getting saved into – my opinion is the same rubbish as mentioned in Matt23. (I have personally counselled many people who had gotten extremely hurt there. In fact I have correspondence from senior pastors who were once very close to At who calls CRC the seat of Satan…………Again the question arises – with such false and counterfeit doctrine…… where are people saved into?

You mention that At is obedient and I presume to the Lord………..well if this is the case whay does he teach so many opposing doctrines to that of the Bible…..the Lord’s Word that is either ignorance and hopefully that only and at worst it could be rebellion if done on purpose………I pray the latter is not the case.

If you are of mind that At Boshoff is obedient and preaching the truth , have to caution you on the grounds of: James 3:1 NOT MANY [of you] should become teachers (self-constituted censors and reprovers of others), my brethren, for you know that we [teachers] will be judged by a higher standard and with greater severity [than other people; thus we assume the greater accountability and the more condemnation].

Please do not feel that you are someone special because you reach out to Muslims many of us do the same – only difference is that we do not make converts twice the sons of the devil as the Lord warns the Pharisees in Matt23.

Sound Hermeneutics is of utmost importance when reaching out and caring for the unsaved and saved – something that is at NORM not evident in CRC!!

I think you accusation that our perception of the universal church is lacking needs to be investigatet a little more by you – go study Revelation 3:14 -22 carefully and you will find that the church the Lord is knocking at to let him in is a materialistic church who say that they are rich and blessed – this is CRC the very church you think is correct.

I Quote the Lord: Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Rev 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

This is what the last church dis[pensation looks like before the Lord’s eminent return……..this is now……..this is close and this is CRC!

My prayer is that you investigate the Scriptures vs At’s gospel of prosperity and materialism the rich and materialistic CRC and that the Lord grant you eye salve to see as he did with me and so many others then you will see that our sight is well beyond our noses.

Remember we are willing to conduct an open debate in public and with cameras – is At availible?

Chris says:

Dean
Please put your “boldness” where your mouth is into practice. Come and do the debate in public and on camera -you and At Boshoff and any of CRC’s senior or Rhema’s senior pastors.
If you however come alone please consider bringing someone of senior authority with you as you are clearly ignorant and we will need someone with a little more – so perceived by yourself- with clout to effectively do the debate.
It is easy to sit and comment but to contend for the faith like Paul did and we are willing to do is not for the faint hearted like yourself – come on the invitation is here!
Please forward this invitation to them as we had already done so and have heard not squeak accept from the mice on this blog who are also too weak to step out and debate.

As your comments reflect – nothing said and nothing done……………??????

Andre says:

Hello. Who are you people? I went to At Boshoff’s CRC in Welkom on Wednesday (2nd time, 1st time was almost a year ago and he then did the money thing) Personally I didn’t feel closer to my God or felt anyting actually. I even took 2 people with because they are my friends and it was a harvesting event. They felt the same. Problem is, I was invited there by friends and they like the place. We have had strong dissagreements about CRC the past 2 days and I said I will follow up on it. So then I found you guys here. I know AB is zealous and driven but have suspissions about what drives him (like you I am pretty sure it is the Rands). I know I do not feel what I am supposed to in CRC but the service is twisty and fast and the music is disruptive actually. Praise was difficult under mega singers, massive sound and overbearing drums. I need to get my friends out of there quick but need to know more about AB. Does he own other bussinesses, properties? Does he use politics to further the church, his (AB’s)ambitions?

I haven’t read all of your blog yet, time issue today, but will tomorrow. Again – how do I get my friends out of there. They are good people and know the bible well but perhaps a bit gullable.

Hanelie says:

Andre wrote:
I do not want to attack anyone. I know oom At is wrong, he knows he is wrong (anyone with that much money from spreading the Gospel and knowing the Gospel knows he is wrong).

Oh, you just touched on the very things that have been on my mind lately. 1. Those are the false teachers: the ones who know they are wrong. Sometimes, it is clear who they are. Sometimes not. Oh, and the money thing. I listened to the beginning of the Joyce Meyer audio clip yesterday – up to the point where the presenter spoke about her multi-million dollar ministry. Then my hair just rose. Have we forgotten how the early church operated?

That is where the Devil is strong, in marketing because he just keeps hammering on what we see around us, on what we know.

Oh yes. Words create reality – if you see/hear something often enough, you might just start believing it. There’s an Afrikaans word for it which is quite descriptive: “afstomping”. Not sure what it would be in English: numbing?

Andre says:

AMEN AMEN AMEN Let it be just so. Hope that your blessings are multiplied.

Hanelie says:

Andre wrote:

But in general and this age I think people want to be fed where it comes to the bible too, so in stead of reading the bible they prefer SOMEONE read it too them and that the same SOMEONE should explain it.

Oh, absolutely. I was there too. I am only now, day by day, realising how many lies I accepted as “truth” (and how that had impacted my growth and walk with Christ) because I delegated my responsibility for Christian growth to others.

Andre says:

By the way (to anyone who thinks I am nuts)

I hate accusing people and get no joy from it, so take your own time and just read about the unholy spirit, Kundalini or something like that. it is on this blog somewhere.

Here is it: The Biblical Holy Spirit vs.The False Unholy Spirit of Fire

Chris says:

Hanelie – thank you so much for your candid input regarding CRC. Very few people will stand up for the truth to testify that the Lord has set them free from this cult.

Do not be discouraged when you sometimes do not seem to grasp the in depth meaning of parts of the Scripture – the Lord gives us only a certain amount of manna daily.

You will also experience difficulties in getting rid of certain Scriptural perceptions – perceptions which formed as result of your longer term involvement with the demonic contortion of doctrine in CRC. Doxa Deo in many of its doctrine does not really differ from CRC.

There are perceptions that people seem to receive the Holy Spirit in places where another doctrine is preached – well I doubt this because we are saved, born again, by the WORD 1Pet.1:23, 1Tim4:16, 2Tim.3:15 and many more verses.

So do we receive the Holy Spirit – through the ministering of the faith. (The Afrikaans is clearer; Dit alleen wil ek van julle weet: het julle die Gees ontvang uit die werke van die wet of uit die prediking van die geloof? – see Gal3:2 for this truth.

Then the LORD gives the Holy Spirit to those who are obedient Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

People seem to think where people fall over backwards in CRC they are saved – where is that in the Bible? Everyone who had a divine encounter fell on their faces in worship and adoration – those falling backward was under God’s judgment!

This poses a serious question; if it is through ministering of the faith and obedience that people receive the Holy Ghost – what spirit are those receiving who fall backwards under a ministry of false doctrine by disobedient preachers??

I have heard plenty similar testimonies of leaders who were in CRC who eventually came out and realised how little they actually knew regarding the Scriptures – hence current leadres having no fervour to a debate doctrine.

A word of encouragement Haneli – stay in the pure unadulterated Word of the LORD and He will with time reveal more and more to you. Remember those who have will receive more and those who do not have even that which they have will be taken away.

If you continue in His Word His truth will set you free.

Chris says:

Osito.

If you are from Bloemfontein you are welcome to meet with me so as to show you how foolish CRC and it’s pastor’s teachings are.

For now search in this website under Tithing and you will find all the answers. It is a long document but explains everything!

Should you have more questions after reading through the document please feel free to correspond with me.

Chris says:

Hallo Osito.

Both sides are not wrong only one side and that is CRC and it’s pastors, otherwise the Bible and recorded history is also wron which is impossible.

The pastors in CRC will alwatys attack the person instead of debating fact. They realise that they are unable to counter fact and truth hence the easiest way out through personal attack and badmouthing people by condemnation.

They are hiding many things – for example tithing claimed from people to make themselves rich and in very many cases to the expense of poor people.

That is why so many wise are leaving CRC – truth alwas sets one free.

Osito says:

Let s see, CRC tells you that if you dont tithe to crc you or your children or your money or whatever are cursed!
CRC uses Malachi 3:8-9.

Galatians 3:13 “Christ has redeemed us out of the curse of the law, having become a curse on our behalf; because it is written, Cursed is everyone hanging on a tree.”

God has died for us so we can not be cursed, if we have faith in Him.
So are you under a curse if you dont tithe?

So how can you be cursed?

Galatians 3:10 “For as many as are of the works of law are under a curse; for it is written, Cursed is everone who does not continue in all things written in the book of the law to do them.”

Now if you can be cursed, you are of the law not of faith.So if you tithe, not to be cursed, it will not keep you from being cursed if you dont keep the entire law. Thats going to be one tought one to keep.

Galatians 3:12 “But the law is not of faith, yet, He who does them shall live becuase of them.”

(Galatians 3:12) show us it s good to live according to the law, but does not say under the law, then you will be cursed.

Now my qeustion is, CRC tells you you will be cursed if you dont tithe, are they a church without faith? Because faith and curse dont fit together. And then the best is, they put this all together in one receipe, “if someone is broke they are cursed, they cursed because they do not have faith, they dont have faith because they dont tithe.”

Telling there people they must have faith but with faith they can still be cursed. mmmh? And then when they themself dont have the faith in God to provide money, telling there people lies! You are under a CURSE or give us your MONEY!

Now if you need money for God purpose, thats not for your own luxury s,ask, dont scare people to give. I dont think God will prove that.Scare them!!!

Osito says:

Thanks Chris for your reply and your concern. Blessings to all Gods children and that they will not just stand blind and go on there feeling like Isaac whent on his feeling.

Gen 27:22 “And Jacob came near to Isaac his father. And he felt him and said, The voice is Jacob s voice, but the hands are Esau hands.”
23 “And he did not recognize him, because his hands were hairy like his brother Esau s hands; so he blessed him.”

People trust there feeling bypass Gods word, I hope people will start research and learn from the Bible.

Eph 4:14″That we may be no longer little children tossed by waves and carried about every wind of teaching in the sleight of men, in craftiness with a view to a system of error,”

And blessings to every one standing for the truth of God s word.

tienerma says:

Hallo daar,
Hoop almal verstaan Afrikaans..So beland my 16 jarige dogter by CRC en verander in n ongelooflike gedetermineerde opregte Christen..baie positief..skielik begin agressie indien ek enige vrae vrae oor At en sy oortuigings (waarvan ek ten sterkste verskil) So kom ek op die blog af en praat met haar . Sy stem saam dat sy nie deur al die doen en lates van CRC (At) saamstem nie, maar wel voel sy het n pesoonlike doel en dit sa uit haar voorbeeld aan ander getuig..sy vra welwaarom almal wat op die blog skryf nie enigsins iets aan die situasie doen nie…? ?? wat antwoord ek…

Chris De Wet says:

Hallo Tiernerma. Indien jy in Blemfontein woonagtig is, is ek bereid om jou te ontmoet. Jy kan vir Deborah vra vir my besonderhede indien jy so voel – dan kan ons praat.

Jesus groete

Chris says:

Hi Osito,

I am not aware of a pyramid sceme but will not be surprised if there are some. My current knowledge regarding the doctrine tought there is enough to obey the Bible, to stay away and have nothing to do with them

Dan Forgiven says:

& here I was looking for a fast little 2seater German car when i found a SLK55AMG with registration number CRC000… and I thought it might have belonged to Mr Boshoff, so I googled it and it brought me here…

Anyway, maybe while you guys are good at the whole website/SEA/forum/blog thing, why not create a blog for testimonies like dead raised blind see, deaf hear lame walk etc.

Be extremely blessed
Daniel

[Edited by DTW: We have a page were people that have been raised fro the dead can come and tell us their story, but it appears they are all so terribly selfish and don’t want to give Jesus any praise, that no one has bothered to come forward]
Please have a look at: Have You or a Loved One Been Raised From the Dead?
Please read: Can Satan Heal?
And MOST IMPORTANTLY: The Biblical Holy Spirit vs.The False Unholy Spirit of Fire

Truthful Conversation says:

Well said Micheline! I am soooo happy for you. I too have gained so much knowledge from Debs and DTW. I only ‘belong’ to two websites where I read and comment, and I know that the Lord helped me to find both blogs.

Believe me when I say that I would hassle both blog authors if I don’t agree with them on something they said, or I do not understand a particular subject.. I question everything and I do sometimes go to VISIT other discernment sites to contrast and compare.

My trust is in the Lord, not DTW..but I praise God for Debs and John, and their work and faithfulness.

Osito says:

Hi everyone, can someone please help me?
The people of crc keeps going back to Malachi 3:10 and tell me but God say we must tithe. Im not with crc any more but my wife love crc and At and she beleave that our 2 year old dauther must belong to crc.
And i beleave it s the Holy Spirit that keeps warning me agains crc and they all think i deceive because they tell me the Holy Spirit let them to crc.
And the way I see it At would not mind taking my little dauther pocket money.

nanu says:

Hi Chris

Will you kindly advise on the place of worship. honestly
Speaking though been attending there for just over a decade, been critical of most of the teachings. Problem is that I’m still looking for a place of worship. Pls provide the address.

Thanking you in anticipation

Regards

Osito says:

We helped a person that is a member at CRC for about 2 mounths, gave him food and place to stay Because he has no income. I tried to help him get on his feet with his dream and to get help for him at CRC because he has a drug problem. The leaders told me that it is to expencive to help this person and that the church wont pay to help him.

Then i send CRC a message that one of there members is getting lost and needs help or the church might loose a sole. I gave them the persons name. Ask them why they dont want to help this person with “LOST AT ANY COST” and ask CRC for reply. Gave them my e-mail and phone number.

Never heard of CRC.

Flower says:

Hi Mo, I used to be in CRC in the UK and although I am grateful that God rescued me after 7 years of running from Him, I saw many young people hurt, manipulated and controlled. Grace is not part of what CRC preach. This cult is causing people to hate God or completely lose faith. We must all pray for eyes to be opened.

Roro says:

[delete – you call yourself a Christian but the words that come out your mouth are of an unbeliever]

Sharon says:

Deborah, I have no clue who or what CRC (Corrupt Roman Catholicism? :o)) But we have plenty of these False Prophets here in America. They teach little Bible (they twist) and love your check book. Do I tithe and give offerings at my church? Yes, of course. But my church doesn’t “make merchandise” of us.

John 2:16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father’s house an house of merchandise.
2Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

CRC Member says:

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CRC Member says:

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S says:

Thank you for the reply Deborah.

I’m sure everyone knows the bible and can throw scripture left and right as they like. I had a friend that was addicted to drugs, started dealing to feed his addiction. He lost his family and kids. Long story short, he is born again, reconnected with his kids, has a good friend relationship with his ex-wife again. This is the grace of God that made this possible. How can you now want to go say CRC is all about money and the Pastor stealing money? How do you put a price on a father reconnecting with his two kids again? What God bless’ cannot be cursed, if Pastors were stealing money the church would have closed its doors 10+ years ago already and that is clearly not happening. God is not fooled or mocked. Do yourself a favour and have a look at CRC Pakistan. Its one of the most dynamic churches ever, the people are on fire for God, turning their worlds upside down to win people over for Him.

God plants you in a church, there is not a right and wrong church. We are all on the same mission, to expand the kingdom. Wherever you are planted, I pray that you make a big impact. Run your race, not looking and criticizing your neighbour.

S says:

Thanks for the insight. I have never once read where Jesus bible bashed any unbeliever. All He did was give them love, love and more love. The only way you would win me over if you were doing it with love, not by criticizing or pointing out what I’m doing wrong. This is not biblical at all.

Its great to know the bible by heart, it another thing to live it. The greatest command it to love your neighbour, that is clearly not happening over here!! Love people everyday and live beyond yourself, you will find yourself loving people even when you do not agree with what they believe in. This is how you can change your world.

ANTON says:

Hello , got some email some time ago … and now visited your site … I have dear friends in Jesus at this At Boshoffs church in Milnerton ..and i think they have also via the children been sucked into this funny affair ..have read many of the posts and i was scary and sad to see how people get hurt , how they only wake up much later … and was shocked to hear pretoria crc needs another 60 mil for the church .. this is nogal rof ..real american mega church bucks pressure …. bye almal ……. keep to your prayers and be still before the Lord …

Dan says:

Hi Debs, that’s a beautiful reply. I hope S will stay and read some more. A few years ago I was searching and the Holy Spirit guided me to this site. A lot of things I didn’t (still don’t) understand, but I am saved today, by the grace of God – thanks to this site. Stay awhile S.

Desmond says:

Dion Knoesen’s argument relating PS At Boshoff is fair, however lets ask ourselves is this effective? Allot of time was dedicated to a problem but our Almighty God is a God of solutions. I refuse to believe Jesus will thank us one day for complaining about a specific pastor spreading doubt and causing division. In fact, this is a characteristic of satan himself(demon meaning destroyer, they break down what God builds up).

Whether this pastor is anointed by God or not, lets not mimic demons but mimic Jesus Christ who is LOVE.We could be spending time saving souls, encouraging people by sharing this great love that was given to us freely by our precious Jesus Christ as a result EXPANDING the the kingdom of God which pleases Him.Do not worry about irrelevant matter’s. The beautiful Holy Spirit is a big boy He can handle any situation as HE finishes ALL God’s work on earth.Jesus says reserve all judgement for me as for you “LOVE”.

I’m truly sorry for all the families who have suffered and people who were hurt by this pastor but just like the world cannot give us joy so it shouldn’t rob us of our joy.We must remember he too is just a man and for better or worse a brother.Many come to salvation through crc(which is dependent on the individuals heart and not the pastors agenda). So lets chill the mighty Shepard is more than capable of looking after His own sheep! Is he not the most powerful force in all the universe? WOW praise Jesus!!!

As for us, lets find it in our hearts to forgive him and move on to things of value.Loving others with the love we have received as sons and daughters of the Almighty God!building up not breaking down. I want you to meditate on this statement by John Wesley(mighty man of God) as i close “I value things only by the price they gain in eternity”… Are we furnishing our mansions in Heaven or are we sleeping on the floor for eternity? Be blessed and stay blessed in Jesus mighty name!

Desmond says:

Thank you for the article Deborah your passion for God’s people excites me. I have taken it to heart!Coming from a mutual point of view in this debate it just seems logical that we as brothers should do some research on the author’s who feed us with information as this might tell another story. As the bible says “we will be known by our fruit we produce” so I urge readers to see what the author’s are doing for God’s kingdom because many can say but few are willing to do.

God has ignited me with a passion for His kingdom much like you Deborah… Not to drift off point, the reason i posted was because it hurts me to see so many brothers arguing about matters that take our focus off of Jesus Christ.For He is the way the truth and the life…forever amen

Confused says:

“A reminder: The Bible does not teach that money should not be used to preach the Gospel and to support brethren (not organisations) in the body of Christ – it is very obvious that mammon should be befriended for this purpose. – See more at: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/12/16/at-boshoff-from-crc-church-shows-us-how-pharisees-went-about-honoring-god/#sthash.CZhTZnR1.dpuf”

Please give scripture that state just that.

Thanks

C

Gerhard says:

Thank you Deborah for the effort and dedication you have put into this site – also glad to see that you reconciled with Malan.
I am trying to put faces to names commenting and contributing specifically on the CRC issues mentioned here, since I spent many years there – as videographer and photographer (not staff).Club Riot might ring a bell with some of you (96 -98).
I did the whole bibleschool thing, evangelised like crazy and went everywhere on my black chopper motorbike.
I eventually married one of the worship leaders (Pst At married us), did the 5 days a week thing (while running my own business), got the prophesies, word, vision, homework and more etc etc.
There were a genuine love for God and great fellowship amongst everyone I got to know – Pst Gary Brydon outreaches on Hoffmann Square, and a lot of realworld change which has faded my memory by now.
Then things changed.
I cannot recall specific times, but do remember a feverishness rising up with building projects making way for feeding schemes, visions and donations destined for rehabilitation centres, youth centres etc were abolished (which I had a vision for, designed and spent my last bit of living energy trying to materialise) – all for a greater vision – which suddenly were exclusive, as to opposed to a unifying inclusive love for the lost and the body of Christ.
More things changed……and before you knew it – the first (true) love had disappeared.
The vision board (mend the nets) did not seem to be lived by.
I got lost again.
And I am SO GLAD I did.
Taking responsibility fot your relationship with Christ is not always easy – it means seeing things for what they are – and yourself for who you are.
Pride, narcissism, the love of money (that apparently answers all things – haha!!) are vices not so easily recognised (but easily duplicated) and can be hidden in acts of councelling, works, prosperity (for the Lord’s work of course 🙂 )
Thank God for hardships, one on ones in the mirror and broken hearts – it shakes us from ugly things and into a real relationship with Him – one of love and not desperation expecting Him to be our Genie in a bottle doing what we say (confessions and all that nonsense)
There was a time when things were real, and humble people were doing what Jesus would do.
It makes me sad to realise the damage done is in disregard of the truth.
The TRUTH heals – I hope it is not too late for the CRC franchise – and many of their leaders that were once dear to me.

Gerhard says:

Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

Gerhard

>> I hope it is not too late for the CRC franchise

An entire franchise can never be of God. Today, those who are true are leaving because God is calling them OUT of false churches

The CRC church’s foundations are not based on the Word of God but based on Satan’s foundations hence it started off on what you thought was Godly, but dwindled into something awful – what we have today.

Hi Deborah,
I agree with your sentiment regarding the false foundations.
It became apparent to me that not all was well, when I saw mini- me’s been made, who had competetive spirits gunning for significance and personal gain – been taken up into leadership.
Sure the cell-based system flourished – and drew more of similarly thinking people, also the youth grew, being fed a new approach that signified dynamism and boldness. Something that were new to the South African culture at the time.It was refreshing and brought to life many people from atheist / calvinistic / agnostic backgrounds to start contemplating a loving real God, and a Jesus that wishes a personal relationship with mankind.
It is unfortunately there where Satan is best at working deception – neartruths that looks like the real thing – and it is an effective catchnet for the new at Christianity eager to learn person.
Growth fortunately requires hard work, dedication and asking the right questions – which is why members from these type of churhes simply do not grow as the bondage becomes evident.
Jesus said His joke is light!
A new culture of deception based calvinism has been created – by multitudes not taking responsibility for their own spiritual growth, and relying on an arrogant method program to fulfill their never to be fullfilled long awaited “breaktrough”.
This instills a false perception of Jesus coming for an already established prosperous church – Totally unscriptual!It only encourages works – and like you pointed out: a new vow to Satan.
These type of platforms are the breeding ground for (unsuspecting)followers of the new world order Antichrist.
I fully agree that by exposing false teaching is not a sign of hatred or vindictiveness or bitterness or whatever such people are attributed to have – in fact is is exactly the opposite – only a true love for the truth and those wishing to be affected and set free is at stake here – and that includes all leadership under such strongholds.
Deborah – Would you please explain your thinking on “An entire franchise can never be of God”?
I did use the franchise word originally as a bit of a wry derogatory comment ….

Regards

Osito says:

It s simple, i ask some leaders of CRC a question and it took them +- 3 to 4 mounths to came back with some kind of answer. Then the people told me that i ask the wrong people because the leaders doesnt have the ability to answer that tipe of questions. So i whent and ask a CRC pastor this qeustion: Please explain to me verse 18 of(mark 16:16-18).”16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”
At Boshoff use verse 16-17 as prove that every saved christian wil speak in tongue. At Boshoff left out verse 18 as prove on his quoted.
It s been 3 days, still no reply on that question from one of CRC s pastors.

A brother in Christ says:

Hi Deborah

I have read most of the above article about CRC and have the following thoughts about it all:

While I agree that we need to righteously judge as was stated earlier in the article, I also feel that we cannot solely rely on other peoples opinions to discern biblical teaching (be it from whichever church group or pastor) for us, BUT in fact we need to test the teachings according to the Word of God, and in prayer, relying on the Holy Spirit to council us and guide us. The moment we solely follow and rely on one person’s opinion about the true doctrine of the Word of God, we fall in the same trap as THAT which is warned about in the article above. So I am not saying what DTW is wrong or right, but purely: “take what DTW is saying, take what CRC is teaching, pray about it, and allow the ONLY TRUE AUTHORITY ON THOS WHOLE SUBJECT – The Holy Spirit, to guide you as an individual reading this. I leave the following scripture with you the reader to meditate on:

“But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written: “ As I live, says the Lord, Every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall confess to God.” So then each of us shall give account of himself to God. Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way. I know and am convinced by the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean of itself; but to him who considers anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean. Yet if your brother is grieved because of your food, you are no longer walking in love. Do not destroy with your food the one for whom Christ died. Therefore do not let your good be spoken of as evil; for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. For he who serves Christ in these things is acceptable to God and approved by men. Therefore let us pursue the things which make for peace and the things by which one may edify another. Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All things indeed are pure, but it is evil for the man who eats with offense. It is good neither to eat meat nor drink wine nor do anything by which your brother stumbles or is offended or is made weak. Do you have faith? Have it to yourself before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves. But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.” (Romans 14:10-23 NKJV)

A brother in Christ says:

Hi Thomas. Accepted. Thanks for your explanation. I still say that we are to go and experience for ourselves what these men of God are teaching, and comparing it to scripture, while allowing the Holy Spirit to speak into our hearts and lead us as to whether we should sit under any man of God’s teaching or not. Not allowing us to be swept away and influenced by emotions and feeling of other people in making a decision for or against any particular congregation or pastor. You are correct in what you are saying about discernment and the scripturs quoted. We are actually agreeing on the matter.

Pastor's Wife says:

I stumbled upon this website and was saddened by the posts that have been made here. Jesus was all about love and He reminded us to love our neigbours and pray for our enemies. My greatest breakthroughs have occurred when I have prayed for someone that I disagree with. Ephesians 4:1-3 “Therefore I, a prisoner for serving the Lord, beg you to lead a life worthy of your calling, for you have been called by God. Always be humble and gentle. Be patient with each other, making allowances for each other’s faults because of your love. Make every effort to keep yourselves united in the Spirit, binding yourselves together with peace.”

Ronald says:

Chris wrote:

Hi there,

Was under the rule of At himself, the headquarters for this wicked sect, in Bloemfontein South Africa. Thankfully God showed me the Truth, His Truth, through human instruments. This for me is very well and good, but what of the billions being misled, in the name of our Messiah? It is for them that I feel sorrow, even though it is their responsibility to seek the Truth of the Word it sickens me that men such as the likes above mentioned roam free like a lion to deceive like a serpent whilst wearing sheep’s wool… Maybe he teaches this at his mighty men conferences? To be like a lion? yes he does.

However it is not only him or his sect that deceives, the charismatics, catholics, Calvinists and all the other sects share the same principles. I will paste an article I wrote to shed light on this, they are all side of the same coin …

The article as follows :

This article is built on fact and fact alone, not my own opinions on a situation. If at any time you need confirmation on any of the information I have given below, all you need to do is request it and I will be happy to give you meaty and lengthy evidence.

Definitions of terms:

Dominionism – The teaching of the doctrine that states that Israel has now replaced the church, because natural Israel has been cut off from God. This is also know as Replacement Theology. The result of this teaching means that all promises made to Abraham are now promised to the Church. Another outcome is that for Jesus to return, all the lives on earth need to be saved ( A great Revival ). This sect believes that a special group of people will take over the world, because we are the living in the millennium spoken about in revelation, that Jesus is ruling the planet as we speak. This dominion is obtained by finding high rankings in the media, economy, political agenda and so forth. (5 fold ministry)

Amillennialism – In Latin when the ‘a’ is applied before the word it means “no”, so this then means no millennium. Again, this sect believes that the millennium is not literal and that Jesus is ruling the earth right now from Heaven as He sits next to God’s right hand. All that is necessary for Jesus to return is that a great revival occurs that everyone may live of the principles of the Bible.Catholics as well as the reformed as well as the dominionist each share appraisals in these theologies.

Calvinist – Believe in the predestined choice God made of who He would send to Heaven, good boy list bad boy list, believe in the elect (selected of God), hearers and the sinners. They use the acronym TULIP as a reference for what they believe see : (http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/10/13/unconditional-election-and-total-depravity-are-gnostic-teachings/ )

The denominations of the large religious groups of the world at state :

The Charismatic movement(namely the happy chappies) – The foundation of this group is set on emotional splendor, good music, good visuals and basically the “love of God” in everyones lives, about what God can do for you in your life. It is safe to say that the majority of these churches thrive on sensationalism (sign and wonders), with apparent pastors performing “miracles”, calling on the Holy Spirit and transferring in to his/her congregation which goes against scripture. (Ex. 30:32-33) This can also be called what they cal transferal of the anointing. Bible warns against signs and wonders (2Th 2:9) ( The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders.)

There is no doubt that these groups teach a doctrine of prosperity and what God can do for you emotionally and especially financially, with teachers like Creflo dollar, At boshoff, Rod Parsley and many more that teach you should receive prosperity from God financially or else you do not have Faith and do not walk and talk like a true Christian. This is only obtained and God only really has favor on your life if you give them the money in faith, this is complete and utter hogwash. In fact the Bible speaks about how possessions do not make a man.(1 Timoty 6:10) (Luke 12:14-16) (Luke 14:33)

Similarity :

To get back to the topic at hand, these smooth talkers also believe that there is going to be a great revival and that we need to get ready for this, as the world will be saved. “Pastors” speak it over the congregation, world, country and often say how they for see a great revival for God. This is contradictory to what the Bible teaches, that in the end times there will be a great falling away. Now as important as it is to win souls, these heads are speaking directly against the Word of God.( 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;)(2 Thess. 2:3)

To obtain this revival they use key Dominionistic principles, that there has to be a great revival for Jesus to return – there is going to be a great revival. Secondly that the promises to Abraham concerning protection and prosperity is to the Church not Israel, which is why they teach that God blesses u if you bless the church. Another similarity is the fact that these Charismatic movements use the media, economic, socio-economic and political grounds to obtain this revival. In example :

Media – TBN is only 1 of several 24 hour broadcasting centers for this false doctrine. There are massive satellite organizations(churchs) all around the world that broadcast their contorted message etc…

Economic – These very large charismatic movers rake in millions if not billions of Rands/Dollars each month with their telethons and monthly tithing gigs. Another great fund raiser is there products of holiness (dvd’s, holy clothes etc..) as well as the massive conferences they have, this should be free of charge as the bible instructs.(Matt. 10:7-10)(Luke 10:4-7) Their luxurious home, cars and lifestyle in general is proof that they do not give a large portion of this to the poor as they should. (Deut. 14: 22-26).

Socio-Economic – With their message of apparent good news and even better living they head into the poor areas and attempt to help these people with food and the good message, how ever this is short lived as that food is only temporary just as the false Gospel they are teaching. This is merely a campaign to win the vote of these people nothing more nothing less. If they genuinely cared about these people they would sell their large houses and go into mission stations etc….(Luke 14:33)

Political – “Pastors” with the likes of Rhema have let politicians such as Jacob Zuma speak to his congregation and has shown a general fellowship with the man. This is going back to feudalism where the state and church were once one. Speakers such Albert Mohler have sign the Manhattan Treaty, which is tired into the UN, which states all the principles of “unity through diversity” (one world order).

Important to note – even though they won’t admit to it, it is clear that the Charismatic movement do not care enough for the instructions of the scripture that they have contorted it and even have members and heads of the congregation, that commit adultery and several other sins. HEAD OF THE CHARISMATIC MOVEMENT, contorting the scripture. They often put themselves on the same level as Jesus, ordering Him and His Holy Spirit around like waiters.

Calvinism(Reformed church) – Believe that everyone has already been preordained to either go to heaven(elect) or to Hell(Sinners) and that all that is need for Jesus to return is that all the principles of the Bible are followed by everyone on the planet, whether it is the right doctrine or not. (see the link above). against scripture (Rom 8:7-8) That Christ only died for a certain group.against scripture (John 3:16; 2 Cor. 5:19)

They incorporate Amillennialism which again means that we are living in the millennium that Jesus is ruling from heaven, this means that all that all is needed is for people to follow principles of the Bible, even though these principles might be contorted and there is no urgency for these people to believe in Jesus for their gain into heaven.(as if these elect have been regenerated, they automatically go to heaven). This is why John Calvin enforced a very strict moral code onto his city, even though most of these decision where made by a council, that decide which is acceptable and which is not. He would burn people alive and execute them in several ways.against scripture (Matt. 15:9)

This is why the Deutsch reformed and other reformed churches have councils who decide what goes and what does not. They have accepted homosexuality and along with it a mound of other sinful things according to the Bible. . This can be seen in methodist, Charismatic, Catholic and other sects of “Christianity”, whereby they contort the Word to suit their own vendettas. against scripture (Matt. 15:9). They follow what man says and not what God says.

Dominionistic :

Media: There has been a decrease of the number of youth that flock to Calvinism or the reformed movement, this is why it was necessary to repackage and repack it, to seem more vibrant. The new movement is called Neo-Reformed or New Calvinist. Mark Driscoll created T-shirts of Jesus as a DJ and several other blaspheming T-shirts. People with the likes of Louis Giglio, John Piper, Albert Mohler and many more now catch a gullible youth with smooth talking and visuals.

Political: John Calvin was a student of Augustine, Augustine used an emerged state and church system (which is ideal if the doctrine is sound), emerged pagan holidays with Christian ones such as Christmas and easter. This is where Calvinism has its roots or motive for political agenda. It is just a matter of time.The Vatican is also stating to plant its roots in politics once again, just as before. Catholics.

important note : Contort Scripture and create their own laws just as Charismatic, seek one large revival which goes against the Word of God and believe that all promises whether it is financial or protective is unto them, even though we as Christians do get favour, it is not the same promises promised to Israel.

Catholic: The Catholic subject could literally be it’s own topic, however just for the purposes of these comparisons I will just scratch the surface of their doctrine.

Dominionistic :

Political: The Vatican for years already is quite a powerful force when it comes to politics, whether it comes to the Pope meeting with huge politicians, other religious groups or being part of the G-8. It is irrefutable that the Vatican have immense power when it comes to politics.

Mikhail Garbachev (member of the soviet union) – ” Pope John paull || played a major political role in the collapse of communism in Eastern Europe… The event in Eastern Europe would not have been possible without the presence of the pope… which he knew how to play on the world scene”

Alexander Haig(member of the CIA) – “The Vatican’s information was absolutly better and quicker than our in every respect”

There are many many more.

Economy: “The unique, noncommercial economy of Vatican City is supported financially by contributions (known as Peter’s Pence) from Roman Catholics throughout the world, the sale of postage stamps and tourist mementos, fees for admission to museums, and the sale of publications.

The incomes of lay workers are sensibly better than those of their counterparts who work in the city of Rome. Living standards may be different, at least in their public evidence, due to particular sober lifestyle required.

The Vatican also conducts worldwide financial activities, the Istituto per le Opere di Religione (also known with the acronym IOR and wrongly known as the Vatican Bank). This Institute has an ATM with instructions in Latin, possibly the only such ATM in the world.

A souvenir shop on the roof of St. Peter’s Basilica

The Vatican has often been accused by critics of being excessively wealthy, as in Avro Manhattan’s The Vatican Billions. However, the papal state has previously run budget deficits and obtains much of its money from international donations such as Peter’s Pence.

In response to demands by activists that the Vatican should sell its artistic artifacts and give them to the poor, Cardinal Paul Josef Cordes asserted that the Church has the duty to conserve the works of art in the name of the Italian state and cannot sell them.” – Wikipedia

This I believe is only the start of all their finances.

Media: The Vatican hits news articles nearly every day, there are world wide broadcasts of all their annual ceremonies as people flock to the Vatican. How ever when the media try to expose these wicked men, they retaliate : .

According to the Bible there will be a great falling away from the True Gospel, in the end times so we observe this today. Whether your part of the Charismatics, Catholics or Calvinists your still part of the same coin. Still believing in the same doctrine. ( 2 Thessalonians 2:3)

There is so much more information I would love to share with you all, several more similarities that all these devious sects share. They are parts of the same engine that drive the motor towards the end. So I encourage you to find you own Truth. (John 17:17)

If it’s not the catholics that pray to mary to undermine Jesus as Lord and Saviour, the charismatics that put themselves on the same level as Jesus, Muslims that deny Jesus as Saviour, Satanists that pray to lucifer or the Jewish folk that also deny Jesus as Lord and Saviour it’s all relatively the same.

Belinde says:

Chris could you please contact me on my email adress..
(x crc member)

osito says:

Ek het altyd daarvan gehou as ek in die kerk is om duidelikheid te kry oor iets wat ek nie heeltemal verstaan nie, toe kom At en se in sy preek as jy nie saam stem met als wat ek se nie dan moet jy vir jou n ander kerk gaan kry. Ek voel darm dat ek half die reg gehad het om vrae te kan vrae met al die geld wat ek in daardie kerk gesit het, ja wel tenminste sit daar elke sondag seker iemand lekker sag op een van die stoele wat ek betaal het!

osito says:

“Money is the answer to all things.” Ecc 10:19. (They make a feast for laughter, and wine makes life merry, and money is the answer to everything. I gave my best to work out this phrase and for me it is, that this massage is sarcastic. The “and” part in the sentence, dis soos om iemand te andwoord, en n piesang boom dra appels. Sarcastic. The sentence in this letter starts without the “and”, why? And wine might make life merry yes, but i think it tells you in sarcastic that it will not bring you anywhere. I only quote this if this letter is for real from crc.

Brit says:

Hey guys here is one of the sermons of CRC London. I need your comments please. https://vimeo.com/channels/thabomarais/99448963

Brit says:

Ok. Thanks

osito says:

I was so mad today, still kind of is. I put my trust in one of crc s pastors to answer some of my questions and ask him to keep this confidential and not to tell anyone that i am asking him questions. He told me he will not tell anyone he will keep it just between me and him. And today he just led it out to my ex wife.
He calls himself a pastor and betrayed me.
For me this is one of the worst things you can do to someone, and that from a pastor. I really feel sorry for the people in that church that put all their trust in crc s pastor!!

GetALife says:

Hi Guys…I have not seen anything of this sort before. Never seen “Christians” bad mouth another in such a way. Not sure what everyone is on about when it comes to money…I had the privilege listening to one of my heroes in the ministry, Ps. Tommy Barnett.

A man serving for over 60 years in the ministry personally said, you need money to do things for Gods kingdom. You can pray till you blue, but the people who open their pockets “cheque books” are filling hungry stomachs, building a dream center for the homeless, drug addicts, etc…Unfortunately the government does not do this, the church has to. How do you guys propose this be done without a cheque book?

I suggest to stop gossiping and start spreading the good news…this is by no means good news!

Robbie says:

When the Calling becomes a career.
I agree… Rubbish!