Seeking Salvation or Deliverance?

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Need Help?  Are you seeking deliverance or are you just seeking salvation?  You have come to the right place!

I am going to get right to the point regarding deliverance because I know you are desperate and need urgent help.  If you want salvation through Jesus Christ the Son of God please read steps No.1 and No.2).  If you need deliverance from either affliction or possession, please follow steps No.1) to No.6).

Here is what you need to do to for salvation and/or for deliverance:

This is for anyone; those who think they are Christian but are not sure, i.e, you do not have surety of salvation, those who are Charismatic, Pentecostal (believing in Baptism of the Holy Spirit by sign of gifts, i.e., speaking in so called ‘heavenly’ tongues, and or thinking they have the ability to heal people), Zionist (ZCC church), Anglican, Catholic, Calvinist, Seventh Day Adventist, Mormon, Jehovah’s Witnesses, etc. Those in the Occult / New Age, Wiccan, Pagan or an unbeliever be that an atheist, agnostic etc. Or if you are Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim, or any other religion like Bahá’í etc.

A NOTE:  Please do not go to a so called “deliverance minister/pastor” Or anyone who says they can cast demons out from you.  In this day and age there are so many fake deliverance ministers, chances are you will leave there with more demons attached to you than what you went with.  Anyone who speaks about Exorcism is Catholic, please do not go to an Exorcist.

“7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.” (James 4:7-8)

A Christian but plagued by a demonic spirit in your home?

Please refer to No.3 and No.5.  If you are a Christian but were disobedient to God and sinned and brought a demonic entity into your life, or you sinned by bringing something of occult origin into your home and you find yourself plagued by a demonic entity.

“For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.” (Ecclesiastes 7:20).

BUT

“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”  (1 John 1:9)

PLEASE READ:

Peter’s Sermon:

Acts 3:1-26 (KJV)

Peter preaching to the people that came to see a lame man restored to his feet

1 Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour. 2 And a certain man lame from his mother’s womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms of them that entered into the temple; 3 Who seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple asked an alms. 4 And Peter, fastening his eyes upon him with John, said, Look on us. 5 And he gave heed unto them, expecting to receive something of them. 6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk. 7 And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ancle bones received strength. 8 And he leaping up stood, and walked, and entered with them into the temple, walking, and leaping, and praising God. 9 And all the people saw him walking and praising God: 10 And they knew that it was he which sat for alms at the Beautiful gate of the temple: and they were filled with wonder and amazement at that which had happened unto him. 11 And as the lame man which was healed held Peter and John, all the people ran together unto them in the porch that is called Solomon’s, greatly wondering.

Professes the cure not to have been wrought by his or John’s own power or holiness, but by God, and his son Jesus, and through faith in his name

12 And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?

Withal reprehending them for crucifying Jesus

13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go. 14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; 15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses. 16 And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

Which because they did it through ignorance, and that thereby were fulfilled God’s determinate counsel, and the Scriptures

17 And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers. 18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

He exhorts them by repentance and faith to seek remission of their sins, and salvation in the same Jesus

19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; 20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: 21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. 22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. 23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. 24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. 25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. 26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

1) Salvation – Diligently seek Jesus Christ the Son of God:

“Without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.” (Hebrews 11:6)

Do you want to be born again? I want you to pray this sinners prayer out loud, diligently seeking Jesus Christ as your Saviour.  Please note this prayer will not save you, it’s what in your heart!  Are you truly seeking Jesus Christ the Son of God? Are you truly seeking to be born again? Are you truly seeking to change your ways?  Below is an example of a prayer, you can pray your own prayer if you want.

“Heavenly Father, I come before you in the name of Your Son, Jesus Christ. I know that Jesus Christ is the only Way, the Truth, and the Life; and is the only Mediator between You and man. Heavenly Father, I believe that Your only begotten Son Jesus Christ paid the price for mankind through His sacrifice on the cross, He was buried, and rose again 3 days later.  I acknowledge to You Lord Jesus Christ that I am a sinner. You shed Your precious Blood on the cross for me, Your blood washes away my sin, covers me and cleanses me.

I am truly sorry for the sinful, shameful life I have lived.   I want to repent Lord Jesus, I want to turn away from my sins. Please forgive me of all my sins Lord Jesus, I earnestly repent.  Forgive me of my sins as I forgive anyone who has ever sinned against me, I hold no grudges anymore.

You are my Saviour Lord Jesus, only you. I truly desire to serve You, Lord Jesus.  I pray that You would help me to hear Your still small voice.  Heavenly Father, I want to be baptised by the Holy Spirit, I want the Holy Spirit to come and abide in me, I desire to be led by Your Holy Spirit so I can faithfully follow You and obey all of Your commandments.  I want the conviction of the Holy Spirit in my life when I sin.

I want to thank you for the forgiveness of ALL my sins, and the glorious gift of salvation and everlasting life You have given me.  At this very moment I acknowledge that Jesus Christ the Son of God is my Savior and according to His Word, right now I am born again, in Your mighty precious Name.

Thank You Lord Jesus, for coming into my life and thank You for saving me. Amen”

2) Continue the prayer if you need deliverance from demonic affliction – please pray the following:

Say the following with conviction and absolute FAITH that Jesus Christ IS WHO HE SAYS HE IS:

“Heavenly Father, dear Lord Jesus Christ, I am demonically afflicted, I ask that you please remove all demonic affliction and or possession from me immediately, and break ALL demonic chains of evil over my life. I pray this in your MIGHTY name! Thank you Lord Jesus!

If you are fasting:

Stop fasting, you are making your mind weaker and weaker that you can’t spiritually fight off a demonic attack

3) Getting rid of all ungodly things in your home.

You need to throw away ALL the non Christian books you have (excluding your bible, get a KJV bible and if necessary a bible in your language – you can use the KJV bible to compare verses to make sure the translation is correct.) Throw away so called Christian books as well – if you are certain the book is genuinely Christian please keep it.  Throw away all CD’s and DVD’s that are not Christian, you can keep anything that you are certain is genuinely Christian, but if you are not 100% sure please just get rid of it.  Break those music CD’s that you have – yes even the so called ‘Christian’ ones, you have no idea if they are really Christian, probably not – Hillsong is not Christian. Any so called anointed objects, throw them away.  Any so called Christian paintings or occult pictures/paintings, tear them up and throw them away. Anything on your pc/laptop that is not biblical delete it.  Any pictures of ‘Jesus’ – this is not Jesus (no one know what He looks like), tear it up and throw it away.

You will remove everything ungodly from your house, even that African mask you have on the wall, throw it away, any statues – throw it away. Any gifts you received that have any kind of spiritual connotation, throw it away.  Anything to do with Angels – throw it away. Prayer cards – throw it away. If you are in the occult / New Age / Wicca etc., throw away everything, books, jewelry, statues, ritual items, including all your black clothes.  Any Halloween items in your house, throw them away.  If you are a Buddhist, Hindu or Muslim etc., please throw away anything that connects you to these religions, including; religious texts, books, statues, paintings, jewelry and religious clothes etc.

4) If you have anything in your life that you are holding onto that is ungodly.

  • Ask Jesus Christ to show you anything that ungodly in your life.
  • You will recognize the sin(s) through the conviction of the Holy Spirit.
  • Ask Jesus Christ for forgiveness of these sins, and change your ways through prayer by asking Jesus Christ to help you overcome your sins, and sin no more. (Keeping Ecclesiastes 7:20 in mind).

For instance, did you go to a church where someone laid hands on you.  If you have had ‘FIRE’ called down on you or the church congregation you were sitting in. (See article on Demonic FIRE spirit in church” If you speak in so called ‘heavenly’ tongues.  A false baptism of the holy spirit in water. Think of things in your life from the very personal right down to the fact that you smoke (if you smoke) ask Jesus Christ to deliver you. If you have a drinking problem – most people deny they have a problem, if you can’t go without it you have a problem, if you like getting drunk at parties ask forgiveness for this and ask Jesus Christ to deliver you. Drug addiction, ask Jesus Christ to deliver you. If you attended 1 yoga class or more, if you meditated or soaked, centered yourself, got hooked into watching ASMR videos on Youtube, etc,.  Belief in Reincarnation, Evolution, Feminism or the belief in Karma etc.

Christian books that you bought or were given to you about peoples so called visits to Heaven and Hell and other strange doctrines or anything anointed be that a prayer cloth, oil or painting etc.  If you experienced any electricity or feelings of heat come over your body, if you convulsed, or where ‘Slain in the Spirit’, went through a fire tunnel, etc,. If you had hands laid on you, or if people stood around you with their hands held over you and you prayed to receive ‘healing’ or ‘deliverance’, please ask for forgiveness.  If you were supposedly ‘healed’ by a preacher who laid hands on you etc. Please read article: Can Satan Heal?  If someone ‘prophesied’ over you in any way, told you your prophetic fortune of what God has in store for you, please ask forgives for this.

If you struggle with certain things in your life that you feel you just don’t want to let go of, or you feel like something is preventing you or holding you back, realise that this is Satan at work who does not want you to ask Jesus Christ for forgiveness so that you can be delivered of any stubborn demonic entities that are attached to you.  As for forgiveness for following false teaching like TB Joshua for instance right down to the so called innocent preachers like John MacArthur. The Holy Spirit will convict you of who you followed and need to repent of.  Mention if you practiced breathing exercises, or ‘silence’ where you cleared you mind. Ask for forgiveness if you have committed adultery.  Had an abortion.  If you watch or are addicted to Pornography.  Homosexuality. If you are abusive in any way to your spouse and or children, ask for forgiveness and ask Jesus Christ to be delivered from this sin immediately in Jesus Christ’s Name.

Mention if you were visited by an angel or something posing as Jesus Christ. Mention if you hear God ‘audibly’, as in a loud voice. Mention if you practiced entering into the ‘presence of God’, or wanted to ‘hear God’s voice’. Mention if you have dreams and or visions or had your dreams interpreted or if you’ve ever been to see a Spiritualist, i.e., Tarot reader or a Medium of any kind (including Pet Mediums who speak to your dead / or run away pets) etc. Mention if you had an awakening or illumination while meditating etc. If you ever partook in a Freemasonry ritual or any other secret society ritual.  Fire walking. Practiced Martial Arts. Had Hypnosis, Reiki or been for Acupuncture to manipulate the flow of energy (Chakras) within your body etc., please ask forgives for this.  Are you experiencing sleep paralysis which is demonic? Rebuke Satan in Jesus Mighty Name to leave you immediately

Important:  There is no such thing as generational curses.

“The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.” (Deu 24:16).

But please ask for forgiveness and ask Jesus Christ to immediately remove any demonic affliction in your life where you willfully or were forced to partake in anything demonic with family members or friends, for example; a Tarot card reading, or played with a home made Ouija board or Glassy Glassy (there are many other games kids play) especially in school or parties. Even that Magic 8 Ball ‘toy’ is far from being just a toy.  Children watching evil cartoons on TV is a brilliant way for Satan to gain entry into a child’s life.  It happened many years ago to someone I know personally who was tormented by demons during the day on a daily basis just through watching, accepting and enjoying Thundercats, Ninja Turtles and some other evil cartoons.

If you can see demonic spirits, ‘ghosts’ or have seen people that have passed away etc., please ask forgiveness for this, as this is clairvoyance and you need to be delivered from this.  Also mention music, including so called ‘Christian’ music that you are addicted to listening too. If you are addicted to heavy metal music, including Christian heavy metal (There is no such thing as Christian heavy metal, it’s a lie from the pit of hell), rock music or even pop music for that matter please ask forgiveness for this, you need deliverance from this, music and lyrics plays a big role in the life of so many who think it’s not harming them spiritually, but it is. See here: Music: Compromising God’s Standards to Accommodate Youth.

There are so many things I have not mentioned because there are just too many evil things in this world to list. Ask Jesus Christ to remind you of all things in your life, let the Holy Spirit convict you of your sin and repent of it.

The crux of deliverance is this:  You are asking Jesus to forgive you not only of these things you have done, but you are telling Jesus the reason why you did these things, and you want to be forgiven for this!  You let Jesus know that you sinned because you wanted to choose evil instead of Him, but now you are making a FINAL STAND and you are choosing JESUS CHRIST over Satan and you are CHANGING YOUR WAYS – YOU WILL NEVER TURN YOUR BACK on Jesus Christ again.

Ask Jesus Christ to remove ALL demons from you and break ALL chains of demonic affliction/possession over your life. Ask Jesus Christ to deliver you immediately. Rebuke Satan in Jesus Christs’ MIGHTY NAME to leave you immediately!

To break free from very strong demonic affliction is not easy and can take time if you are not spiritually strong enough.  There were times were the Disciples struggled to cast demons out of people, and had to pray long and hard and needed to fast.

Mar 9:28-29 “And when he was come into the house, his disciples asked him privately, Why could not we cast him out? And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.”

5) You might have the demon that is in you or attached to you manifest in your home:

If this happens, I know it will be difficult but do not fear, it’s only there to cause fear.  Do not communicate with it, do not request it’s name, you use the Word of God only to force it to leave, it has NO choice, Jesus Christ’s Word is FINAL,  Jesus Christ has CONQUERED Satan at the cross, you already have the VICTORY through Jesus Christ the Son of God:

You can read the following verses out aloud. This is not vein repetition, you can read all these verses or choose your own from the list below – you don’t have to mention the verses at the end as Satan knows the bible well:

You say out loud in TOTAL FAITH:  “Jesus Christ the Son of God says;

“Ye shall not fear them: for the LORD your God he shall fight for you” (Deu 3:22)

“The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour; thou savest me from violence, I will call on the LORD, who is worthy to be praised: so shall I be saved from mine enemies” (2 Sam 22:3-4)

“No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.” (Isa 54:17)

“So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.” (Isa 59:19)

“Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.”  (Matt 4:10)

“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels” (Matt 25:41)

“Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.” (Luke 10:19)

“But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.” (1 Cor 15:57)

“Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.” (2 Cor 2:14)

“For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: 4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.” (2 Cor 10:3-5)

I will be strong in the Lord, I will “Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” (Eph 6:11-12)

“And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.” (Cor 2:15)

“And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.” (2 Tim 4:18)

“Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you” (Js 4:7)

“Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world”  (1 John 4:4)

“For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God.” (1 John 5:4-5)

Rebuke Satan in Jesus Christ’s name and tell him to leave your home IMMEDIATELY. 

Say “Jesus Christ commands you to leave this house immediately, this home belongs to Jesus Christ the Son of God. LEAVE!”

If need be repeat all the verses below again, again this is not vein repetition, if you want choose your own bible verses please by all means do so. Keep repeating God’s Word until the demonic entity has fled.

“Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.”  (Matt 4:10)

“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels” (Matt 25:41)

“And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.” (Cor 2:15)

“But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.” (1 Cor 15:57)

Say out loud: “[I] Submit [myself] yourselves therefore to God. [I will] Resist the devil, and he will flee from [me] you” (Js 4:7)”

Say “Jesus Christ commands you to leave this house immediately, this home belongs to Jesus Christ the Son of God. LEAVE!”

Say this with confidence, as Jesus Christ has already won the battle and because you are now a born again child of God, that battle has been won for you and you have the authority to use Jesus Christ’s name because you are now a child of God. Keep saying this until all demonic manifestations have left your home. You will get resistance, and they might try stop you by confusing your mind that you can’t think properly, or tell you that you are not strong enough.  It’s not you who is strong, it’s Jesus Christ the Son of God who is the One who defeated Satan on the cross who is strong.  Just keep using God’s Word against them so that they will leave your home and your life, in Jesus Christ’s name.  Important to note:  When Jesus was in the wilderness being tested by Satan (Matthew 4:1-11) He did not have a conversation with Satan when Satan tested Him, He quoted the Word of God only against Satan and he fled.

Thank Jesus Christ from the bottom of your heart and worship Him by thanking Him for what He has done for you. Start reading your bible (not other books) and if you are going to a charismatic church please stop going, and stop following all false doctrine.  How do you know if what you are following or believing in is false?  You test it against the Word of God, if it does not tie up 100% to what the bible says, then it is false.  You stop immediately, ask Jesus for forgiveness and move on to the truth.  Please read:  Testing the Spirits – True Spiritual Discernment

“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:” (1 Peter 5:8)

6) How do we stop Satan from attacking us after we are born again?

We put on the armour of God with God’s help: You gird your waist with truth, put on breastplate of righteousness, shod your feet with preparation of the gospel of Jesus Christ, put on the shield of faith which quenches attacks from Satan, put on the helmet of salvation by believing that Jesus Christ died for your sins and rose again, and finally the sword of the spirit which is the Word of God.  You apply these pieces of armour daily, you arm yourself by obeying God’s commandments, repenting to Jesus Christ when you sin and ask Jesus Christ to help you to not sin again, and in doing so guard yourself against any attack from Satan.  See bible scripture below:

Ephesians 6:10-18 

The Whole Armor of God

10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might.

11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.  

14 Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness,

15 and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace;16 above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one.

17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God;

18 praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints-

If you need more help regarding deliverance or what it is that caused Satan to attack you, please comment below and we will try to help you.

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Deborah Ellish is the author of the above article. Discerning the World is an internet Christian Ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa. Tom Lessing and Deborah Ellish both own Discerning the World. For more information see the About this Website page below the comments section.

107 Responses

  1. Daisy says:

    You mentioned seeing people who have died. A Christian friends if mine saw a vision of her father in her home recently. He had dabbled in the occult, much to her disappointment. She has also seen visions of other people at times in her house. To my knowledge, she hasn’t participated in occult activity. Could her late father’s activity (tarot cards, potions, etc.) have “opened a door,” so to speak, that is affecting her?

  2. Dear Daisy

    >> Could her late father’s activity (tarot cards, potions, etc.) have “opened a door,” so to speak, that is affecting her?

    Absolutely. If she is not saved, she needs to be saved and then in prayer ask Jesus Christ to remove all demons afflicting her including being able to ‘see dead people’ – which is demonic. If she is saved then she needs to ask Jesus Christ in prayer to take away this ability called clairvoyance – its a demonic entity that’s afflicting her and Jesus Christ will immediately take this affliction away if she asks.

    You see the demon is tempting her and waiting to see her reaction, if she accepts it as being “ok” then she has willingly accepted Satan into her life by going against God’s commandments in the Word of God and because of this more demonic entities will come to temp her to the point she wont know what is truth anymore.

  3. TL_92 says:

    I’m more confused about faith in Jesus and Christianity Religion now than ever.

    My family in Louisiana has always acted like they were close to God and better than us in Florida. Also they have very strict rules and home school there children. Very Active in there Church. 3 days a week. My aunt is a counselor. Uncle a Deacon. Cousin’s are praise and worship and also help with Bible studies. I spent a whole week hanging out with my cousin and got very close to her almost too close. Really connected and talked about anything and everything. We actually declared we’re best friends. I actually was excited because towards the end of the week I went to church with them(my old church) and was very excited to live my life with Jesus. Even though I’ve always lived my life for him. I just quite going to church.

    Ok big problem they left and when my cousin would call on the phone she started talking about this Guy and son Andrew and John Eastman. Music Guitar group. The dad Andrew does prophetic PRAYER messages. You kneal before him and he gives a message that relates to a issue in your life everytime to anyone no matter who you are. Also sounds very biblical. Very encouraging. But my family takes Jesus and God serious so you can image how powerful these messages are. But he does it on command one person after the other.

    Next thing she tells me my aunt and other cousin speak in tongues. At this point I can barely breath I’m freaked out because I’ve never heard of this stuff in my life.

    Then my cousin said some guy came and prayed for him and he was annointed/slain in the holy Spirit when he was 10 years old and fell backwards on the ground crying and convulsing for a long time. My stomach was about to vomit when he told me this. How my aunt could allow her child to experience something like that. She thought she was surrendering them to God. What the heck is going on?

    They are sucked into this weird church. I mean trapped. My cousin’s are in love with the Pastor and I’ve tried telling her to escape she’s apart of some weird crap and I don’t want nothing to do with her Religious church or her ways. I’m actually considering becoming Atheist if this is how church is suppose to be and is how God treats his followers.

    Please help me out Foreal my family’s future is at stake!!!!

  4. TL_92

    >> I’m actually considering becoming Atheist if this is how church is suppose to be and is how God treats his followers.

    People who follow false teaching are not God’s followers/children of God, they are Satan’s followers. Now…why would you blame God and deny God (become an atheist) when it’s man’s fault for following false teaching given to them by none other than Satan himself? You should not be blaming Jesus Christ, but Satan.

    Let’s use this example, you have 2 friends. One is mean and nasty and the other is good. One day the mean and nasty friend goes out of their way to hurt your feelings. You instead of blaming the mean and nasty friend, you blame your good friend instead. Does that make sense? No. So why on earth will you blame God for Satan’s evil doings.

    God protects His Children, those who want to have a relationship with Him and OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS as WRITTEN IN THE WORD OF GOD. Those who don’t want to know God and follow after demonic false teaching (as you have mentioned in your comment) have no COVERING from God and are open to Satanic attack.

    God does not take people’s minds and FORCE them to believe in the Gospel Truth, He gives everyone a choice to believe whatever they want. God wants to see who is truly FOR Him and who is REALLY against Him.

    You saying you follow Jesus, but yet at a whim you want to deny God. Honestly do you want to know what I think. My dear you are not genuinely saved, and you need to get on your knees and sort out your own salvation with Jesus Christ with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12) BEFORE you start worrying about the rest of your family.

    Understand? :)

  5. SheepDog says:

    I just have to say that although there is a lot of truth to this, you do need to clean your house of anything of the occult, and any articles that you are clinging to spiritually, and the secular music and so on, yes, totally.

    Now in the spiritual realm there is the side from God and the side from satan. Both have supernatural power. The demonic is of the devil, and the Holy Spirit is of God. The Bible clearly explains which are of God. Just because there is an occult counterfeit, does not mean God’s power in our lives is not real anymore. Everything the Bible talks about for the early church IS for us today. It is the devil who wants to deceive the church into thinking otherwise so their power is limited. We DO get the baptism of the Holy Spirit and assorted gifts (not all get tongues), we do have power to cast out demons, and so on if we are walking uprightly in Christ. Just because some churches get crazy and even into the occult, does not nullify the real which is of God. I know this by personal experience that lines up with the Word of God. Those who deny the working of the Holy Spirit today are in danger of blaspheming the Holy Spirit so be careful before you say all of that is ‘from the devil,’ because the real is from God. Even the pharisees railed against Jesus when He exorcised demons, claiming He did it by Beelzebub when it was by the Holy Spirit; the power of God and not the devil. The Bible teaches that the gifts go on until we are in His kingdom and see Him ‘face to face’ in 1 Cor. 13. Wolves like John MacArthur will twist this around for the reasons I just said.

  6. Dear Sheepdog

    When you speak in tongues, do you have an interpreter to know what you are saying?

    When we are born again we ARE baptised in the Holy Spirit – He comes to ABIDE in you. We do not believe in the doctrine of cessationism like John MacArthur etc. We do believe that God CAN and WILL do miracles and let people speak in EARTHLY tongues WITH an interpreter for the sake of PREACHING the gospel. :)

  7. Johan says:

    I am a member of a Pentecostal church and there is regular speaking in tongues during our Sunday morning services, but this is always in an orderly fashion. There is almost always an interpreter of what was said.
    The pastor is strict and everything always happens in an orderly fashion. Teaching is always from God’s word and sin is openly condemned from God’s Word as the basis.
    I know that this ministry is of the opinion that the teachings of the Pentecostal denomination is false – I do agree that the teachings and practices of most Pentecostal/Charismatic churches are questionable but I always test what is taught at my Church based on God’s Word and have never had any concerns.

  8. Dear John

    Tell me, why do you need to speak in so called heavenly tongues (gibberish) when you have the Word of God in your pastor’s hands so that he can preach the FULL GOSPEL to you in English?

    Being orderly when speaking tongues does not maketh tongues speaking biblical. Do you realise that the interpreter can also be of Satan?

    What could possibly be said in a heavenly tongue that is not already in the Word of God? New Revelation I ask?

    Earthly tongues is for preaching the gospel to people (unbelievers – 1 Co 14:22) who do not understand your mother tongue – God gives you the gift to speak in that persons language so they may hear the gospel and be SAVED.

    You said “I always test what is taught at my Church based on God’s Word and have never had any concerns.”

    If you never have any concerns then I would be concerned if I was you. It appears you are deceived already on the tongues speaking issue.

  9. Johan, I just love your “There is ALMOST ALWAYS and interpreter of what was said.” God is never satisfied with an almost always. “Almost always” is usually the culprit that misleads people into error, deception and lies, and guess what? God hates lies because it comes from the father of all lies. (John 8:44). Perhaps you could tell us in what languages the members of your church speak. You should at least know that, not so? Are they existent and well-known languages or are they heavenly languages? How many languages are there in heaven? I’m sure you have read this before.

    Wherefore tongues (plural) are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. (1 Co 14:22)

    It seems that you have a congregation filled with unbelievers. You’d better start preaching the unadulterated word of God so that they may be saved.

  10. Johan says:

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  11. And Email received:
    From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@gmail.com
    Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 9:05 AM
    To: Discerning the World
    Subject: Tom BLESSING !

    Dear Tom BLESSING [I changed your Surname],
    I like your articles and I agree with most, if not all.
    Seeking Salvation or Deliverence? Sjoe, that is a tall order…. breaking Christian CD’s, videos, books etc….. Why?
    I know that it is important what God wants, and not what I want.
    Occultic stuff and other evil stuff I do not have a problem to clean out my home and have done it before- Tiaan Geldenhuys of OICB.
    Let me know.
    Will

  12. From: Discerning the World
    Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 3:19 PM
    To: ‘xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@gmail.com’
    Cc: ‘Tom Lessing’
    Subject: RE: Tom BLESSING !

    Dear Will

    How do you know those cds, videos and books are really Christian?

    Kind regards
    Deborah

    ———————-
    Dear Will

    I hope you don’t mind but I’m going to put this as a comment as I believe it will help someone understand why when a nominal Christian (someone who thinks they are a Christian but are not) is seeking salvation or deliverance they will probably have to throw away all their SO CALLED Christian CD’s, videos and books…for the simple fact that they are probably not Christian at all.

  13. Brendan Philbrick says:

    Deborah, I have a question.
    When you say “Christian books” does that also include a book like The Case for Christ? Which follows a journalist as he investigated The Word and things about God’s Word and became a follower of Yeshua? A book that actually strengthens the believer? I am legitimately curious, I’m just looking for answers.
    BTW, I just read the article The Holy Spirit Vs. The Unholy Spirit. That article have changed my life.
    BTW, I think I accidentally put my email in wrong, there’s a capital “U” at the start.

  14. Hi Brendan

    Hmmmmm, you are right. When I said all books, I should have said all ‘supposed’ Christian books, not genuine ones. :smile: If you think this is a genuine book, please keep it.

    I will change the article. :up:

    >> You said “BTW, I just read the article The Holy Spirit Vs. The Unholy Spirit. That article have changed my life.”

    I am soooooo happy! :nod:

  15. Brendan Philbrick says:

    Thank you, that clears things up a bit.
    What about other books? Is it a sin to read any book that isn’t The Bible?
    I have a bookshelf and it has books like 1984, Atlas Shrugged, The Book Thief, and The Dairy of A Young Girl.
    I don’t let my reading of other books take time over my reading of God’s Word (which I have several ways of reading/listening to), so is it a sin? :unsure:

  16. Hi Brendan

    Noooo it’s not a sin to have other books that arn’t the bible. It’s just that in the case of a deliverance and you are caught up in false Christianity for instance you need to get rid of all books that preach another Gospel and another Jesus Christ. Satan will use these books to try and steer your thinking away from the truth, so just get rid of them for the time being. When you are born again and stronger spiritually (you will know when that time is) you can start to buy Christian books again. I have a library full of utter nonsense, the difference is I know it’s nonsense and it’s there for research purposes.

    Here is a good example. When I had just been born again I was presented by a friend the book called Heaven is so Real by Choo Thomas. I was so excited to read my first Christian book. I got to page 20 and I was in utter distress and crying… I thought “why can’t I hear from God that way she does? Why can’t I be a special daughter to God like she is?” Then this gentle whisper said to me in my subconscious, “Throw the book away”. Then suddenly another voice much louder said “NO! You can’t throw this book away it’s God’s word”. This spiritual battle continued for half a day. Until finally I jumped up, went to the kitchen, took the book, tore it up and threw it in the bin. The RELIEF was astounding. The bondage I was under by Satan to not throw this book away was astronomical – His plan was he was going to use it to guide me to ANOTHER Jesus ANOTHER gospel that is totally antichrist. The relief I had after listening to the Holy Spirit was amazing. I was overjoyed to realise it was the Holy Spirit speaking to me. I heard Him and I was obedient to His warning.

    I bought the book again, and read it, this time to write and article to warn people. The book is in my library.

    And this doesn’t mean that I can’t be deceived, gosh I read stuff all the time and think? “Can that be true?, really? Wow”. And then as the day (or days) go by I learn the truth, either through lots of research or just a gentle whisper from the Holy Spirit who says “No!” and a reminder in my mind of scripture as to why it’s not true. So you need to be ON GUARD at all times. Satan is constantly seeking to destroy you. When you are saved the attack increases.

  17. Brendan Philbrick says:

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Satan is constantly seeking to destroy you. When you are saved the attack increases.

    Boy do I understand that one. I thank you so much for your kindness and willingness to answer my questions. :up:

  18. Hi Brendan

    No problem, any time :hi5:

  19. Ron Stachewicz says:

    Just when I thought I “got delivered” ! Been through so much.. The circus of satanic attacks continued in my life for over two years.. Confessed/repent till my ears bled!.. Sought a contrite heart/godly sorrow..ect.. The Flesh wars against that… Power is dangerous without humility. Tired of all of it..Weary is the word the bible uses. Been to Churches that don’t even believe were in a war! Pastors who have absolutely no experience and operate in unbelief / no Authority: Though their Good bible teaching rocks..Go figure! It is hard to find knowledgeable, experienced persons who KNOW what they are doing when it comes to deliverance. One thing I have to stress is once you have rid of yourself the pestilent spirit, seven will seek to come back.. Be ready ! Have your Armour on. KNOW Who you are in Christ. The “Room” the (Bad Spirit) was (same place where the sin resided/stronghold)/ best be Re-filled with Gods Spirit, generally Love,joy,peace,or any other fruit of the Holy Spirit. Otherwise they just come back to the ‘House they had made home of previously and set up shop and that state of that person will be even worse off.. Been There, experienced that! Beware the enemy is real.. I thank God ,Jesus Christ has put them all under his feet. The kingdom of darkness is defeated.
    Having had all these experiences ..I look forward to leading others to freedom when God makes that appointment.. The beginning of this thread was spot on concerning what to do except for Being sure the “room” vacated is re-filled with the Holy Spirit. Reflect on why Paul talks about Put offs and Put ons’.. Before you reply.

  20. Amy Blossom says:

    Hi hope this is not a stupid question :unsure: why get rid of all black clothing? :think:

    :read: Check/ are hand-me-downs clothing an issue in this context? Appreciate your reply. Amy.

    :thank:

  21. Dear Anne

    Noooo :smile: not a stupid question at all, this is why I have a comments section, so I can help clarify things. Black clothing in general is not a problem, no colour is, God made colours after all and neither are hand-me-down clothing. However if a t-shirt hand-down has an ominous logo on it, I would’t ware it. What I mean is this, when you are in the occult or an outright unbeliever, a teenage rebel etc there is a strong tenancy to be be drawn to black clothes, I was, it was the only colour I really liked, when I got born again I went through my entire wardrobe and I got rid of all my black clothes, and any other clothes that weren’t black for that matter, jewellery etc, that was associated to evil and that made me look evil.

  22. Amy Blossom says:

    :yahoo: thanks for clarity on black and hand me down clothing. I’m born again and understand the explanation and if one has issues as you discrible. Thank you Debs Perfect/ :thank:

  23. Amy Blossom says:

    Debs Perfect/

  24. Debbie says:

    Hi
    I am so confused, I don’t know what is real anymore, speaking in tongues, deliverance, etc because of charismatic church going. After a few years without going to church I did go today and the Pastor wanted to baptize the church after the holidays with fire? Now I feel to run again away from any church? Please help!

  25. Dear Debbie

    Stay at home, pick up your bible and start to read and study it. If you have questions that you are struggling to answer, please come here and we will do our best to help you. :nod:

    The Holy Spirit will teach you the Word of God – “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. (John 16:13 )

  26. Rebecca says:

    Not sure where to put this, do you have a view on people who experience psychosis? Thanks.

  27. Dear Rebecca

    It says here: What is psychosis?

    “Psychosis is characterized by an impaired relationship with reality. And it is a symptom of serious mental disorders. People who are psychotic may have either hallucinations or delusions.

    Hallucinations are sensory experiences that occur within the absence of an actual stimulus. For example, a person having an auditory hallucination may hear their mother yelling at them when their mother isn’t around. Or someone having a visual hallucination may see something, like a person in front of them, who isn’t actually there.

    The person experiencing psychosis may also have thoughts that are contrary to actual evidence. These thoughts are known as delusions. Some people with psychosis may also experience loss of motivation and social withdrawal.

    These experiences can be frightening. They may also cause people who are experiencing psychosis to hurt themselves or others. It is important to see a doctor right away if you or someone you know is experiencing symptoms of psychosis.”

    I’m not an expert on this but I’m going to try break it down into 3 parts:
    1) There is an actual problem with your brain, you actually have an illness – millions of things can go wrong with the neurotransmitters in your brain .
    2) You are on drugs (recreational drugs) or medication prescribed by a Dr for an illness that is causing you to have hallucinations or delusions i.e., see things that are not there, smell things that are not there. Most people will not see demons or be demonically tormented, but this can happen because of a person’s spiritual state as Satan takes advantage of you being sick and your mind being vulnerable.
    3) You are demonically afflicted because of something you got involved with and you will be demonically tormented, i.e, see demons, etc. In fact the person will be in a spiritual battle.

    I’m going to be brave and I will discuss Epilepsy because I have this and I have been viewed by many (so called loving Pastors not to mention so called Christians) as being demon possessed (and believe me this hurts terribly) but we will look at what the bible has to say on the matter…

    In the bible we have 2 types of Epilepsy, the one where someone convulsed every time there was a full moon, among other things, and then there was an actual illness of the brain called Epilepsy where the person would have Grand Mal seizures (where they convulse) or Peti Mal (Absence Seizures / Complex partial seizures) – I have Peti Mal seizures; I lose my memory, will stare blankly, I become very confused etc.

    The Bible mentions Epilepsy as a condition separate from demon possession.

      Matthew 4:24 says, “”So his fame spread throughout all Syria, and they brought him all the sick, those afflicted with various diseases and pains, those oppressed by demons, epileptics, and paralytics, and he healed them”” (emphasis added).

      Or the KJV version

      Matthew 4:24 “And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.”

    Here epilepsy or lunacy is listed with other physical ailments, indicating that epilepsy and other brain disorders is a medical condition that can cause symptoms similar to demonic possession. Jesus healed epileptics, and He also cast out demons from people who were demon possessed.
    The two conditions are not the same.

    And because of this we can view many brain disorders as separate from demon possession.

  28. Rebecca says:

    Deborah, thank you very much for your explanation which I found very helpful.

  29. Deborah says:

    What if you live I’m an environment with multiple other people and can’t cleanse there stuff and or remove it?

  30. Dear (other) Deborah :hi:

    It’s doesn’t matter, if you do not partake of THEIR stuff, then you are ok. You pray and tell Jesus Christ you want nothing to do with their things, and ask for forgiveness if you got involved in their stuff. Also ask Jesus Christ to please remove any demonic affliction attached to you, and ask Jesus to please protect you. And every night before you go to sleep, pray and ask Jesus to protect your sleep/dreams and when you wake up, ask Jesus to protect your you, mentally and spiritually. We don’t plead the blood of Jesus over us, this is false teaching, you ask Jesus Christ HIMSELF to protect you. :smile:

    Deliverance mentioned above is for people who themselves get involved in occult things, in your case, I presume you are not getting involved, but you have to live in a household full of occult things. We can’t escape the world… But your heart belongs to Jesus Christ. We are in this world, not off this world.

    (John 17:14) “I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.” and

    (Philippians 3:20) “For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

    Are you having any demonic attacks?

  31. Deborah says:

    I got mixed up in the Occult and the Church Fire movement that is sweeping America. I got rid of anything I believe attached and even moved.I have false tongues. I need help. But I live in an environment with roommates

  32. Dear Deborah

    Ok I understand. Find a time when you are going to be alone. or try to organised a time when you can be alone. If you can’t find a time to be alone you will just have do this when they are there (not even kidding here) and just forget about what they might think of you. But first prize is to pray in your room alone, if (but hopefully not) but if it manifests, chances are it will manifest in your room and no where else in the house.

    Many times demonic spirits can be very stubborn and when they realise they are on the way out they can push back and it can be scary. The great news is Jesus Christ has victory over them already, you need to use the Word of God (Jesus Christ Himself) to rebuke them and get rid of them. I’m going to break it down into steps to understand easier…

    Step 1) You are half way to getting rid of them because you already know what was the cause of your problem and you realise tongues is false, so right now you are still afflicted.
    Step 2) Pray to Jesus Christ and affirm with Him that you are sorry for wanting to speak to tongues, you realise it’s demonic, and you ask for forgiveness for disobeying Him and going to a false church, for letting people lay hands on you, or stand with their hands over you where they transferred demonic spirits onto you. If you received tongues by commanding God to speak in tongues ask for forgiveness for this, if you received tongues by repeating words over and over or reading Acts 2 over and over or or any other prayer or if you a received a false baptism of the holy spirit through being baptised in water etc., ask Jesus for forgiveness of this too. Think of the reason why you wanted to speak in tongues and tell Jesus you are sorry for being disobedient to Him and ask Him to forgive you. (I am just thinking of possible situations here, you will know what happened when you spoke in tongues the first time).
    Step 3) Tell Jesus Christ that you believe wholeheartedly that HE already has the victory over this demon through Calvary and when you ask Him to remove it from you it will go immediately. Then ask Jesus Christ to remove this demonic spirit from you that you never speak in tongues again and ask Jesus to break all demonic affliction is has over you.
    Step 4) The demon may (but not necessarily manifest) in your home/room, do not worry. We now read the Word of God (Jesus’ Word to us) to remove it completely. Follow Step 5. in the article above. Having said that, if the demon does not manifest but you still speak in tongues, rebuke it immediately in Jesus Christ Name and read the Word of God mentioned in Step 5 in the article to get rid of it. Keep reading God’s Word to it and do not back down.

    I will pray for you too Deborah, do not worry, but you need to realise that Jesus Christ has already won. Instead of being scared have righteous anger at this demon through Jesus Christ and this demon will flee. The only thing this thing can do now is try scare you.

  33. Eugene Hector says:

    Greetings in the wonderful name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    My wife and I have left our church due unbiblical practices and false doctrine being preached. We have come across your website and have since done more research to gain a better understanding of what we had suspected from our previous church. Since then, we have been longing to fellowship at a new church. We would really like to belong to a church that pursues the truth and preaches the simplicity that is in the word. It has been difficult to find a church that preaches sound doctrine and we have become discouraged. We would like to ask your help. if anyone could please recommend a church, we would be so grateful. We reside in Cape Town, South Africa. Thank you! Eugene and Anthea Hector

  34. Dear Eugene

    I know exactly what you mean , as Christians we long for fellowship. Because of the times we are living in, this is becoming an almost (and I say almost) impossible task to find a church that has not been infiltrated and overtaken by false teaching.

    Tom Lessing wrote a very sad but encouraging article about what the bible has to say to us who seek fellowship, but can’t find it. Please read: https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2015/05/25/a-very-lonely-path/ I hope you feel much better after reading the article as you come to understand what being a genuine Christian really entails. :better:

    The false church places oodles of emphasis on fellowship, as it keeps the congregants locked into the church and forces them to just go with the flow of things in the church, never questioning.

    If there is anyone from Cape Town that frequents this website and would like to meet with Eugene and his wife, please leave a comment here and I’ll send you their email address via email.

  35. Eugene Hector says:

    Thank you so much for your quick response Deborah, we really appreciate your help!

  36. Shannon says:

    Hi

    I reside in cape Town(Blouberg Area).There is not one English speaking church within a 50 km radius that I could find that is not practicing WOF,NAR and or dream destiny doctrine. So for my wife,family and I we have to go it alone.
    Read the word and read sites that this site recommends to find both teaching, instruction and warning.

    Regards

  37. Dear Shannon

    Thank you for your comment.

    Some stats for you… you have been on DTW since 2011. How cool is that. :hi5:

  38. Shannon says:

    Gee I am getting old ..ha ha

    Hopefully a little wiser!

    Thank You

  39. Deborah says:

    I am currently in Orlando Florida and I am feeling the same longing to meet with others. I visited another Church this morning the Preacher started talking about The lead singer from Korn, who supposed to be Christian. I don’t get it. Please if anyone is in the area I would like to get together

  40. Dear Deborah

    Oh goodness, the lead singer from Korn is by no ways born again. He received a Kundilani ‘salvation’ experience under Patricia King’s ministry – XP Ministries. His doctrine is NAR. I see he has returned to his old ways and rejoined Korn – no surprises there – not that he left his old ways when he supposedly became a Christian. http://www.christianpost.com/news/korn-guitarist-brian-head-welch-on-why-he-rejoined-band-after-accepting-jesus-christ-167317/

    I think I will open up a new article where people can comment about wanting to meet others and then people can read it and send me an email and I will then exchange email addresses.

  41. Bruno says:

    Dear Deborah. Praise be to Almighty God.first and formost i appologise for being a doubting thomas ,I dont like critisising men of God .I came accross a video of kenneth haging making people laugh with hysteria kindly explain is this real?

  42. Dear Bruno

    Thank you for coming to ask us questions. You are in no way being a doubting Thomas and you are in no way criticizing men of God, in fact the bible tells us that we must test the spirits at all times to see if what is happening in our church or what the preacher is preaching is actually from God or from Satan himself. So called ‘men of God’ who don’t like to be put to the test will tell you too ‘touch not God’s anointed’. This is a lie from Satan who does not want to be put to a biblical test. You must test at all times Bruno to make sure you are not led astray. We must know what is the spirit of truth, and what is the spirit of error.

      1 John 4:1 “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.”

    I can tell you without a doubt that Kenneth Hagin is a false teacher of mass proportions and the video you were seeing is real, it is of an evil spirit that has fallen on the people to make them laugh. This spirit is called a Kundalini spirit and is prevalent in 90% of churches today.

    Please read this article to get a clear understanding of how the Holy Spirit operates vs how the false holy spirit operates. The Biblical Holy Spirit vs. The False Unholy Spirit of Fire

    William Branham, Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Copeland, Rodney Howard-Browne, Creflo Dollar, Oral Roberts, Benny Hinn, Chris Oyakhilome, TD Jakes, Deon Hockey, TB Joshua and thousands of others who fall under the banner of Pentecostalism / Charismatic / Word of Faith teaching have all been spreading this unholy spirit that falls over the church congregants and they are then ‘slain in the spirit’, speak in tongues, convulse on the floor, laugh, etc., and many are healed by satanic power.

  43. Kait says:

    I was at a conference called “power & love” the last 4 days. It was really intense, I learned a lot about the power of the Holy Spirit and was able to pray over so many people and we saw real healing. It was great. Except, last night at the conference they did a giant prayer tunnel where you walked through and people laid hands on you and prayed for you to receive the “spirit of fire”, basically the baptism of the Holy Spirit but more if you had already received. I felt like it wasn’t right and I told everyone in my group and they said it was the devil trying to tell me not to do it. So I did it, but the entire time I walked through the tunnel I was in consistent prayer “God please protect me”. Now, I didn’t feel anything other than extreme anxiety and shakiness because of how intense it was. The adrenaline in my body was crazy. My whole chest felt on fire. But other people were on the floor convulsing and shaking and some were completely passed out. I just didn’t feel right about it and now I’m terrified I gave the devil the opportunity to put evil spirits on me. I researched a lot and believe it was Kundalini spirit. I am really scared and I feel super stupid and I don’t know what to do. But, I also didn’t invite anything. I didn’t want it! Can anyone give me any insight?

  44. Dear Kait

    You are not one bit stupid, you are in fact doing what God commands us to do:

    1 John 4:1-21 “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.”

    Which is applauded :clap:

    I must admit that your comment made me cry, because I have ministered to so many people who are in your very situation and in the end they reject God’s teaching and accept this unholy spirit instead because they want power from this unholy spirit, more than they want Jesus Christ the Son of God.

    What you experienced is actually called a Fire Tunnel. This is the probably one of the most powerful ways to have the power of the Kundalini Spirit transferred to you.

    Kate I am going to be totally honest with you and explain to you from beginning to the end of what’s happened to you. Please pray, and ask God to open your eyes to the gospel Truth of what’s happened to you. I pray that you listen to Him and He will confirm with you that what you are hearing is the truth and He will help you get victory over this. ok? :smile:

    Right let’s start.

    You said “I learned a lot about the power of the Holy Spirit and was able to pray over so many people and we saw real healing. It was great.”

    What you learned about the Holy Spirit at this conference was not biblical teaching about the Holy Spirit. You learnt about the ‘power and love’ of the unholy spirit; the Kundalini Serpent Spirit of Fire. See article: The Biblical Holy Spirit vs. The False Unholy Spirit of Fire. You prayed over people and the power you felt was tangible and the healings you saw were real but they were of a satanic nature. See article: Can Satan Heal? The Kundalini Serpent is a Healer.

    In reality you already had accepted the demonic spirit into your life and it had attached itself to you. Think of this as baby steps into receiving a full awakening of your mind to Satan.

    Baby step 1: You had hands layed on you or hands held above your head etc, by people who prayed over you thereby demonic spirits was transferred.

    Baby step 2: You were baptised in water and again received more demonic power as you came out speaking in tongues or other strange manifestations took place that you believed where from God, but were actually not.

    Baby step 3: You went to church and you practiced your ‘power’ given to you by this unholy spirit and you laid hands on other people or extended your hand out over others and you transferred this serpent spirit and or other demonic spirits onto others.

    Baby step 4: You speak in tongues (gibberish) regularly and in doing so you are actually communicating with demonic entities and not God.

    Bigger step 5: Each time you speak in tongues you open your mind to Satan and the Kundalini ‘Serpent’ spirit attached to you which locates itself in your spine uncoils itself and creeps up your spine – moving through your chakra points… from 1 to 7.

    Bigger step 6: The more people pray over you, lay hands on your, slay you in the spirit, or go through a Fire Tunnel, etc, etc, etc…the more ‘energy’ your give to this demonic Serpent who uncoils itself at the base of your spine and moves higher and higher up your spine to achieve Enlightenment.

    Bigger step 7: You start to meditate because this is what the church teaches; called contemplative spirituality – by finding a ‘quiet place’ to pray to God. Through meditation you truly open yourself to an Awakening where your mind is directly connected to Satan and he then has control to change the way you think.

    Big step 8: The more you speak in tongues, and meditate etc, the higher the Serpent moves up your spine, opening Chakra after Chakra, until it finally reaches your 6th Chakra which is your Third Eye. Once the Serpent reaches your 6th Chakra your mind is completely opened and you have a Satanic Awakening (your 7th Chakra where you connect with the Divine – The 7th or Crown Chakra is your Satanic connection to the Universe.) And from this all sorts of things start happening to you: Visions, seeing angels, a Jesus figure comes to visit you, ecstasy, bliss, feeling of being connected to the universe, bursts of colour, inner peace that surpasses all, etc, etc, etc.

    Now the above is just an example of what is happening in the so called Christian church today. I am not saying you went through each step as I layed out above, but if you look at what I have said you will notice a distinct similarity. The so called Christian church today is not run by God, it’s run by Satan. The Bride of Christ sits outside this ‘shadow church’ praying for their loved ones:

      Revelation 18:4 “And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.”

    Now Kate, the truth is this, you already had the Kundalini Spirit attached to you before you went through the Fire Tunnel. What the Fire Tunnel does it is hits people with serpent energy that is so strong people go into a frenzy afterwards. The connection of the people in 2 rows (touching each other), with each person then connecting hands up in the air with the person opposite them in the other row to form a tunnel forms a massive energy tunnel where the power of the satanic energy is huge, because of the connection points of all the people in the row combined you are then hit with a massive blast of demonic energy as you go through the tunnel.

    Even though the Holy Spirit warned you to not go through the Fire Tunnel, you did so never the less. Your Kundalini serpent uncoiled and shot up your spine. Thank goodness you prayed for God’s protection over you otherwise you would have been in a much worse state – demonically speaking. But you do have a serious demonic problem, I am not going to lie to you and tell you that everything is bunnies and daisies when it’s not.

    You are now experiencing a satanic backlash because God warned you, you listened to Him, and you prayed for His protection, however you still went through the tunnel. Satan now knows you are not willing to accept his lies hook line and sinker. You listened to God’s warning regarding the tunnel and now Satan is not one bit happy with you.

    You need to repent of your partaking in receiving this demonic spirit through disobedience to the Word of God and you need to repent of transferring of this demonic to others through prayer where people were healed demonically. You need to pray and ask Jesus Christ to remove this demonic spirit and all other demonic spirits (there are usually way more than just one) that have attached themselves to you. You can follow the guidance given above in this article for Jesus Christ to deliver you from all demonic spirits, but you must want to change your ways. If you don’t want to change what you currently believe, and believe the Gospel Truth instead of the lies preached in the church today, you will give Satan absolute entry into your mind for him to change your way of thinking COMPLETELY and you will want to dive head first into false teachings at a fast and furious rate and your soul will truly be in Satan’s hands. Right now Satan has access to your mind, and he has already been altering your biblical worldview to his unbilbical worldview.

      2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

    If you speak in tongues I recommend you read this article as well please: Gift of Speaking in Tongues, Prophecy and Healing

    Please see this article that Tom wrote on seeking a ‘quiet place’, seeking ‘stillness’, ‘soaking’, ‘centering’ yourself, etc. Soaking – A Once Lost Art… and

    PLEASE read this article on contemplative spirituality regarding the ‘Christ within’ Contemplative Spirituality: The Throne of Satan

    And to think Kate you paid roughly R450 to receive Satan’s power. Jesus’s gift of salvation is free, when you are born again you are spiritually baptised into the Body of Christ and the Holy Spirit comes to abide in you – no fire or fireworks! Your evidence of His existence in you is just the wonderful knowledge that you have eternal life, that you are secure, and He enlightens you to understand Biblical Scripture.

    If you listen to this video below Todd White at 0.31s talks about the ‘Christ Within us’ and we need to ‘let Christ flow out of us’ – this is 100% Occult New Age teaching, it’s not Jesus Christ the Son of God but the False Christ – the antichrist. At 0.52s he says The Schools of Power and Love ‘actually UNLOCK the power of Christ in you’ again nowhere is this found in the bible and is 100% Occult teaching that you are in fact a ‘little god’ with ‘power’. Again at 5:20s he says “unlocking the true Christian or Christ-ian….Christ in you….unlocking that inside of you”. Ay Jai Jai. :ohno: New Age teaching teaches that Christ is in everyone, and He just needs to be unlocked. No where in the Bible does that bible say we have Jesus Christ in us from birth and that we need a secret key to unlock His power in us, thereby making us a ‘Christ’.

    Preaching the Word of God is what saves. Not going around transferring the ‘Holy Spirit’ to every person so that they can unlock the Christ Within. That ‘Christ Within’ is the Satanic knowledge (Kundalini Spirit etc,) where you end up believe yourself to be ‘a god’:

      Genesis 3:4-5
      4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
      Romans 10:9-18
      9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. 18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
  45. lourens says:

    Dear Deborah
    I just read your reply. I also experienced to a lesser extend these multiple laying on of hands that is so popular even in conservative Pentecostal churches. In my old full gospel conservative church everybody lay hands on everybody – I doubt if there is really a difference. Old sins came back suddenly with a vengeance and I have to fight to the point of utter exhaustion.

    I have a very good idea what Kait is talking about. I was so hungry for God and so so stupid. I strongly believe now that the most dangerous churches around is modern day Pentecostal and charismatic churches.

    I studied and tried my best to apply your article about deliverance. Stopped and repented of tongues, threw out over R10k worth of books and cd’s.

    What do you do when the demonic onslaught just continue day after day and wears you out totally? Deliverance ministries is such a hoax and you feel that you stand alone against the hordes of hell?

    I am also desperate for some encouragement and further help.

  46. Dear Lourens

    Now I understand why you wanted me to pray for you. It’s has been bothering me ever since your comment when I said I didn’t need too pray for you. The Holy Spirit has been telling me I was wrong. I will not be doing that again to anyone. I didn’t understand your situation and what you are going through. Now I understand. I am so terribly sorry I said that you didn’t need my prayer. I realise now that you do.

    When I came out of the occult and landed up in these false churches (seeking help) I got no help, no gospel preached to me, nothing, nada, but boy did I only have hands laid on me! As they stood around me in a circle praying over me, I was praying to Jesus Christ as well, about a minute went by and nothing happened. The old pastor then says to everyone, “Woaah, stop!” and then he says to me “are you praying?” I said “yes.” He says to me “Stop praying, you need to just receive, you can’t pray and receive at the same time“. So what did I do? I stopped praying. Next second…

    I felt the warmth of what I thought was the Holy Spirit come over me and then I was lights out, I fell backwards onto the floor, giggling myself silly. I don’t know how long I lay on the floor, but when I got up and left the church and walked outside, I felt terribly cold, like this ‘warm’ spirit stayed behind inside the church. I prayed and said to Jesus, “Lord Jesus, what’s the point of that? I still have a demonic infestation in my home, I came here for help and now I am left all alone again?” (like you feel right now). The Holy Spirit then told me and that this spirit that came over me was “not the Holy Spirit”, that this was “false Christianity”, I had to do this by myself with “Jesus Christ at my side and who is in me”. You know Lourens, I had no idea at the time there was even such a thing as false Christianity, but the Holy Spirit told me that night there was and I experienced it first hand. I listened to Him and later after studying what ‘slain in the spirit’ was all about, I repented and asked Jesus to remove the demonic spirit that came over me and attached itself to me.

    It took me months and months Lourens to rid these demonic entities from my life, they are persistent and wont let go. It was not a one night episode where I rebuked them all to leave and the next day all was hunky dory. I had to fight, and this is what you are going through right now – an immense spiritual battle. But you will WIN because Jesus Christ has victory already.

    You said “In my old full gospel conservative church everybody lay hands on everybody – I doubt if there is really a difference.”

    No difference what so ever. The only slight difference is that years and years ago this unholy spirit came over people in a very subtle manner – you felt a very subtle warmth come over you in the church and the pastor would tell you the Holy Spirit’s presence in the church. (This is what my mother told me who attended church from when she was very young in the 1950’s when she lived in Pietermaritzburg). And then of course everyone was speaking in tongues back then. Today this unholy spirit zaps you as if you stuck your finger in an electricity plug hole.

    You said “What do you do when the demonic onslaught just continue day after day and wears you out totally?”

    To help me understand more would you mind please explaining to me what is exactly happening to you?

  47. Jesus said,

    And when he was come into the house, his disciples asked him privately, Why could not we cast him out? And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting. (Mar 9:28-29)

  48. lourens says:

    Deborah
    Thank you for your kind words. It encourages me to realize you went through something similar and came out victorious and that you actually know what you are talking about regarding Pentecostal experiences. Almost like you, I got hands laid on me by a “deliverance expert” to break demonic ties regarding a molestation incident when I was very small. I remember the pastor’s wife speaking in very strange repetitive tongues like “ra ta ta ra ta ta” I sensed a hugely unpleasant feeling like an invisible giant spider web manifesting over and almost inside of my body. The pastor explained it is a spirit wife – apparently sexual demonic attacks brought on by molestation. (Possible? I do not know but I now do not believe anything these deliverance clowns say or do. They are very dangerous and sincerely fooled.)

    After this my nightmares started like non stop. It is as if a spirit attaches itself to your brain (only started after the above mentioned episode) and you experience typical kundalini like symptoms as well as the most filthy degrading sexual emotional attacks to the point I was afraid to even leave my house. The images that gets thrown in your mind are too vulgar to even write about. As a person that want to follow Christ will all my heart and absolutely want to shun all false charismatic teachings, I think like you said to Kait that this could partly be a satanic backlash because by God’s grace I stopped all contact with Pentecostal church and doctrine. It took me months just to get over the shock and horror of these attacks which I never experienced in my life before. During these attacks there are enormous condemnation – thoughts like God will never accept you and you will never make it to heaven, nobody else are attacked as you are, etc. These attacks totally took me by surprise as you are taught that as long as you remain in Pentecostal churches you are way above any attack.

    My big question now is – how do I go about fighting this by myself daily? Do I continue to pray and quote scriptures the moment I sense that attack begins? What helped you the most?

  49. Dear Lourens

    Tom quoted that scripture, prayer is indeed the answer and don’t ever give up! Satan wants you to give up.

    You said “to break demonic ties regarding a molestation incident when I was very small.”

    This is terribly sad Lourens, and Satan has used this horrific incident in your life to his advantage. There are no spiritual ties to you and the person who did this evil thing to you. You pray and you let Jesus know that you were affected physically and emotionally by this incident but not spiritually and that Jesus Christ is in control of your life, no one else. If you have not, ask Jesus to heal you emotionally from this terrible trauma and give you peace. Ask Jesus Christ to remove the thoughts of this evil person and what they did to you out of your mind. You keep praying this Lourens. If you have not done so already, please do so.

    You said “The pastor explained it is a spirit wife – apparently sexual demonic attacks brought on by molestation.”

    Oh boy, how on this earth would this pastor even begin to know what this thing is? Unless he has demonic knowledge that no person should have. People who study deliverance and delve into the depths of Demonology are not just playing with fire they are inviting Satan right into their life and then they go and lay their grubby paws on people to supposedly ‘cast demons out of people ‘ when in fact they are putting demons into people.

    Anyhow, you pray and you tell Jesus, you let Him know that you reject this demonic spirit and you ask Him to please remove it from you now and remove it from you completely. You tell Jesus Christ that you are His child and you do not want Satan ruling your life because you have changed your life to follow Him and Him only. Jesus Christ rules your life from this moment forth. Ask Jesus Christ to please remove and break the hold this thing has over you.

    You said “I think like you said to Kait that this could partly be a satanic backlash because by God’s grace I stopped all contact with Pentecostal church and doctrine.”

    You are absolutely correct in your thinking. Now that you know what is happening to you, now you can stand firm in the knowledge that you belong to Jesus Christ and not Satan. You pray and let Jesus Christ know that you know with all your heart that HE ALREADY HAS VICTORY over Satan. You need to stop giving Satan any recognition. You are unknowingly believing that he has control of your brain; you are not giving ALL THE POWER to Jesus Christ who has full control of your brain, your thoughts and your dreams.

    You said “During these attacks there are enormous condemnation – thoughts like God will never accept you and you will never make it to heaven, nobody else are attacked as you are, etc.”

    Yes I used to have this as well. You let Jesus know that you are not going to succumb to Satan’s lies, that you know you are SAVED, and are BORN AGAIN. You pray every day and you ask Jesus Christ to protect your mind every morning and ever night and during the day from ALL attacks.

    And if you do have a vicious demonic attacks on your mind you pray and you ask Jesus Christ to remove the memory of the thoughts or memory of the dreams from your mind and give you peace – and HE WILL – this I promise you. And I know this because I have been through something very similar on a few occasions.

    You said “how do I go about fighting this by myself daily?”

    Lourens, many people do not actually see Jesus Christ as a physical God and seem to believe in Him by Name only. This is something I have found out through my own experiences and in speaking to many many people. They speak about Jesus Christ as if He is someone or something wayyyyyyy over there…or just a Name, a Name that gives you power – this is Word of Faith teaching and is preached to people without them realising it.

    You need to come to the knowledge that Jesus Christ is GOD, a REAL physical God, that you are not the one fighting this, HE IS. He is IN you, He is WITH you. When you rebuke Satan you rebuke him to get out of your life with all the knowledge that you KNOW JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONE REBUKING SATAN, not you.

    Keep praying Lourens, do not give up. And if you feel it necessary> because the Holy Spirit is prompting you; ask Jesus Christ to show you what is still in your life that you are holding onto that could be the reason why this demon is not going.

    I am going to sincerely pray for you Lourens. You will have victory over this because JESUS CHRIST WHO IS IN YOU HAS VICTORY ALREADY.

    YOU ARE A CHILD OF GOD

    1 John 4:4 “Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.”

    YOU ASK JESUS FOR PEACE AND HE WILL GIVE YOU PEACE

    John 16:33 “These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.”

    JESUS HAS THE VICTORY AND THEREFORE GIVES US VICTORY OVER SATAN

    1 Corinthians 15:57 “But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.”

    DO NOT GIVE UP

    Ephesians 6:16 “Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.”

    Keep praying Lourens!

    PS, I can’t fast, I need food regularly during the day otherwise my medication hits me hard and I get way sicker than usual. But I WILL be praying for you Lourens.

  50. lourens says:

    Deborah
    Thank you so much – you really encouraged me. Thank you for the good work on this site!
    Thank you !!

  51. Dear Lourens,

    Please keep us updated! :nod:

  52. I made an update to this article and included a few things that I feel are necessary for people to understand.

  53. Heather says:

    Thank you. I was on my way to another healing and deliverance meeting tonight and I am not going now. I know and understand that I am not alone. I will instead stand in victory and knowledge that it is the Lord our God who goes with us to fight for us in order to bring about the victory. You know the saying, curiosity killed the cat? Well, that is what got me to where I am. Curious about these things you are teaching about here, not realizing that I could catch something. like a virus or a cold, it doesn’t possess, but it sure does hinder. Even though the Lord was showing me the scriptures about not having anything to do with such people. Now I understand how I was disobedient and how to repent, break free, regain my strength physically and spiritually.

  54. William says:

    Hi Debs

    I’m back!

    I saw Lourens’ comments and just want him to know, especially the part where he asked “how do I go about fighting this by myself daily?”, be encouraged by the following Lourens if it may help you because I’ve been there. I can identify with much that you are experiencing right now, but what I can tell you is focus more and more on jesus Christ and less on Satan and his demonic deceptions. Jesus Christ gave us Himself to die on the cross, so that we who believe in Him and have accepted Him as our Saviour, as the Son of God will not perish but will have everlasting life. Jesus Christ overcame on our behalf that we may live, and have life more abundantly (John10 : 10). In 1 John 4:4 “Ye are of God, little children and have overcome them: because greater is he the is in you, than he the is the world”. This is for real, I prayed a lot, like a lot of praying and pleading, I needed release from all things that bound me to practices Pentecostal sidetracks. Until the Holy Spirit very gently placed this one thing on my heart “Return to God, the Creator” – as I prayed I also asked, but how can I be sure this is true? Very straightforward the words came “I AM who i say I AM”. That was the quickest Amen and “yes Lord” I ever said and rose from my knees. The journey of learning will grow as we learn from the Holy Spirit within, but therefore hear from one also coming to the revelation of the Truth, keep on keeping Lourens. There is nothing more important than the knowing the Truth!

    Thanks Debs and Tom, I enjoy the articles & discussions and learning from them.

    God bless
    William

  55. Hi William :hi:

    Good to see you! Thank you so much for your comment to Lourens. :hi5:

  56. Nita says:

    Hi, Deborah and Tom.
    I’m an ex muslim recently converted to christianity.
    I have had this kundalini spirit for at least 4 years that I can remember.
    I don’t know the exact moment when and how I got it.
    I did go to healers for some health issues, some of them recited quran, some were energy healers or whatever. I don’t remember something happening to me when I went at these healers, or feeling anything.
    The first moment I realised I had it was 4 years ago, when I realised something was vibrating in my stomach. At that time I was using some herbs for hormone balancing (maca root, saw palmetto and chasteberry). Googling my symptoms I found people saying that this could be because of hormonal changes. Some said it could be kundalini awakening, so I looked it up what it is.
    Some days later I feel the kundalini spirit uncoil in my spine, it came up to my heart chakra.
    I stopped taking these herbs, and it seemed that I wasn’t feeling it anymore.
    I dont know if these herbs contributed to my kundalini awakening, I read about different herbs opening different chakras. Maybe they opened my sacral chakra.
    Sometimes when I would get very angry, I would feel my stomach very uppset and I start shaking when I get angry and my body shakes. I dont remember when this started to happen.
    7 months after I stopped taking these herbs, I accidentaly find in youtube subliminal affirmations and visual affirmations. I started listening to them for some health issues and appareance. I listened to frequencies, binaural beats, rife frequencies. I now realise these tones are satanic, and stopped listening.
    I Read somewhere that binaural beats are the Marks of the beast, – I really hope that’s not true. ?
    These made me feel my kundalini more, and now I feel my third eye and crown chakra pulsating. I dont see things, thanks God. But I am affraid I might start to. My whole body vibrates, everywhere I touch it’s like a pulsing heart.

    Do you think heat exhaustion episodes could be related to kundalini? These years I’m sensible to heat, and I get heat exhaustion every summer. These days happened even in a cold weather, maybe because I was staying in a hot room, or maybe kundalini is more active now.
    How do I get rid of this kundalini?
    I’ve repented of all my sins.
    A woman did some deliverance sessions on me. At first sessions nothing would happen, then I would burp a lot. But I never felt any difference. I still burp sometimes since I had these sessions.
    I stopped calling this woman after I came accross to CIC site, where it said we don’t deliver ourselves, only Jesus does.

    Am I saved if I have this spirit?
    When I first asked for the Holy Spirit, I have to be honest, I was looking to what would happen, would I experience something supernatural. Nothing happend. I have understood my errors and now I dont look for experiencies.
    I have asked for Holy Spirit again, but how do I know I have recieved it?

    How do I pray?
    Some say we should avoid vain repetions, and not to read scriptures as incantantions.
    So, I just pray with my own words, but I found that I dont know what to say and say the same things every day.
    And, I only pray 10-15 min and then read some bible. I’m a very quiet person and dont really talk much.

  57. Dear Nita

    Some questions for you:

    – When were you saved?
    – What church did you go to and did anyone lay hands on you?
    – Can you explain to us how you were saved?
    – Did you go to healers before or after you were saved? you said “…I did go to healers for some health issues, some of them recited quran, some were energy healers or whatever…’
    – Why were you trying to balance your hormones? Was it menopause? Or did you do this for another reason? Taking herbs / medicine for health reasons is not demonic.
    – When did you listen to these binereal beats? Before or after you were saved? Binereal beats is not the mark of the beast. How did you find out binereal beats were satanic?
    – How long ago did you go to this deliverance woman after you were saved?
    – This burping is demonic, this kundilini you got through Islam is demonic, you are not free, but Jesus Christ WILL set you free if you stop seeking false teaching and false healers for deliverance etc.
    – Many Christians are saved yet plagued by demonic spirits because of false teachings and healers they go too.

    -You pray to Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour and as your best friend. There is no set time on how long to pray, speaking to Him throughout the day is prayer, thank Him for looking after you, praise Him, tell Him your troubles and ask Him for help. :nod:
    -When you read your bible do you understand what it’s saying?

    You said “When I first asked for the Holy Spirit, I have to be honest, I was looking to what would happen, would I experience something supernatural. I have understood my errors and now I dont look for experiencies”

    Great, that you do not seek feelings and experience! :smile:

      (2 Corinthians 5:7) For we walk by faith, not by sight
  58. Nita says:

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Dear Nita

    Some questions for you:

    – When were you saved?
    I was saved 4 months ago.

    – What church did you go to and did anyone lay hands on you?
    I didnt go to any church yet.

    – Can you explain to us how you were saved?
    Well , it happened after I started having doubts about islam. I didnt became a christian immediately after I left islam because I was having doubts about christianity too. I just didnt know what to believe anymore.
    After some months I decided to read the bible and somehow I came to belive in Jesus.

    – Did you go to healers before or after you were saved? you said “…I did go to healers for some health issues, some of them recited quran, some were energy healers or whatever…’
    Those were all before I was saved ,years ago.

    – Why were you trying to balance your hormones? Was it menopause? Or did you do this for another reason? Taking herbs / medicine for health reasons is not demonic.
    I took herbs for my pcos.

    – When did you listen to these binereal beats? Before or after you were saved? Binereal beats is not the mark of the beast. How did you find out binereal beats were satanic?
    I listened to all these things before I was saved. I read in some site about them being satanic and harmful. And some subliminal channels I listened too were exposed for being satanic.

    – How long ago did you go to this deliverance woman after you were saved?
    2 months after I guess. I was via phone, I didnt go to her. She was a very nice woman, I dont things there was anything wrong about her. She didnt like charismatics and these popular preachers.

    – This burping is demonic, this kundilini you got through Islam is demonic, you are not free, but Jesus Christ WILL set you free if you stop seeking false teaching and false healers for deliverance etc.
    I know islam is a false religion, but im not sure if I got it from it. Kundalini spirit is unknown to muslims. I dont know exactly how I got it.

    – Many Christians are saved yet plagued by demonic spirits because of false teachings and healers they go too.

    -You pray to Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour and as your best friend. There is no set time on how long to pray, speaking to Him throughout the day is prayer, thank Him for looking after you, praise Him, tell Him your troubles and ask Him for help.
    -When you read your bible do you understand what it’s saying?
    Yeah, I think I do.

    You said “When I first asked for the Holy Spirit, I have to be honest, I was looking to what would happen, would I experience something supernatural. I have understood my errors and now I dont look for experiencies”

    Great, that you do not seek feelings and experience!

    (2 Corinthians 5:7) For we walk by faith, not by sight

  59. Nita says:

    These days I’m feeling the kundalini more intensively.
    Why is this happening?
    I’ve repented of all my sins.
    Am I really saved?

    What do you think of cupping therapy (hijama)?
    I had it done years ago, but only in two points in my upper back. And they took only a little blood from me, less than usually.

  60. Dear Nita

    You said Well , it happened after I started having doubts about islam. I didnt became a christian immediately after I left islam because I was having doubts about christianity too. I just didnt know what to believe anymore.
    After some months I decided to read the bible and somehow I came to belive in Jesus.”

    Did you believe you were a sinner and in need of salvation or did you just feel Jesus was an option to believe in…and that is why you now believe in Him?
    Why did you repent of your sin?
    Do you still believe you are a sinner?

    You said “I took herbs for my pcos.”

    Nothing wrong with taking herbs or medicine for that.

    You said “I listened to all these things before I was saved. I read in some site about them being satanic and harmful. And some subliminal channels I listened too were exposed for being satanic.””

    You are right they are of the occult.

    You said “2 months after I guess. I was via phone, I didnt go to her. She was a very nice woman, I dont things there was anything wrong about her. She didnt like charismatics and these popular preachers.”

    Very nice people can be very occult people too. Being nasty or sounding evil is not a litmus test to determine if someone and what they preach is of the devil. Satan comes to people as an ángel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14).
    The fact you are bupring is a sign that something happened or was transmitted to you over the phone. The demon does not fly through the phone line, he is there by you waiting for you to accept this woman’s invitation to do deliverance on you…the moment you accepted, this demonic entity attached itself to you and you start to burp.

    You said “I know islam is a false religion, but im not sure if I got it from it. Kundalini spirit is unknown to muslims. I dont know exactly how I got it.”

    Just because Islam is not familiar with this spirit does not mean Kundilini is not part of Islam like it is part of Hinduism and now false Christianity. This spirit is part of ALL non Christian faiths. It enlightens all adherents and brings them to an awakening as to who they are in Allah, Krishna, Buddha, etc (all these Gods are none other than Satan). But yes it is true that you might not have gotten this spirit from Islam, so you got it from somewhere else…somewhere you did something of an occult nature and this spirit has now attached itself to you.

    You said “What do you think of cupping therapy (hijama)?
    I had it done years ago, but only in two points in my upper back. And they took only a little blood from me, less than usually.”

    I would stay away from all new age things, cupping is occult. http://www.corespirit.com/balance-cupping-therapy/

    You said “These days I’m feeling the kundalini more intensively.”

    You are feeling this demonic spirit more intensely because you are in a spiritual battle right now dear Nita. Satan is fighting for you to stay in his clutches, he is hoping you give up the fight and leave Christianity, deny Jesus Christ and come back to him. Satan is pushing this Kundalini spirit to give you enlightenment… you have to rebuke Satan to stop and leave you in the name of Jesus Christ. I believe you have more than one spirit attached to you. Repenting of your sin does not automatically deliver you from demons, repentance of sin is with regards to you your salvation and your onward walk (sanctification) with Jesus Christ. You now have to REBUKE Satan and use the Word of God to make him flee from you (see in article above) and do not stop rebuking him until he is gone. Every time you follow false teaching, you open the door to Satan and all him into your life.

    Will you ever turn your back on Jesus Christ Nita?

  61. Nita says:

    Dear Deborah,

    When I first left islam, I went through a time of being confused and sad. I wanted to know what is the truth of this life. I knew there is a Creator, life just couldnt be meaninless.
    Researching about the bible, I came across many sites saying christianity is false and offering their arguments. That made sad bc I didnt know what to believe anymore.
    So then I was reading some wierd stuff, which apparently were new age. They only made me more confused. One day I said to myself to stop reading to that nonsense.
    At that time I still belived there was a Creator.
    I was saying to myself there Is a God, but how does He want us to believe in him if doesnt reveal Himself.
    So I decided to start reading the Bible. At first I had doubts, I was reading it with a critical eye.
    But now I am convinced Jesus Christ is the truth. He is God incarnate.
    I hope I never turn my back on Him, that would worse than never knowing Him right?
    I’m afaid what I deny Him bc of torture or something like that. Would I loose my salvation?

    I believe I got more spirits listening to subliminals and frequencies. I felt the kundalini more since then.
    These days I feel it more in my ovaries, I guess satan wants to fool me with healing. But I want nothing from satan. I’ve had it for years but never got any healing from kundalini, but now that I accepted Christ he’s thinks hes going to make himself wanted with fake healings.
    So I rebuke him with scriptures?

  62. Dear Nita

    If you are genuinely saved you can’t lose your salvation! :smile: The Apostle Peter denied Jesus Christ 3 times (Luke 22:54-62), he didn’t lose his salvation did he? >Nope he didn’t, but he sincerely repented of his sin. When you sin do you have a conviction of the Holy Spirit that what you are doing is wrong and you need to repent? You see, if you sin and you don’t feel guilty about it and don’t want to repent…then you are not saved. When we are born again we are sealed by the Holy Spirit, that seal can never be broken (Ephesians 1:13). The Holy Spirit is your convictor when it comes to sinning and He tells you silently in a gentle whisper (1 Kings 19:11-12) in your subconscious that you need to go to Jesus Christ and repent of your sin and He will keep nagging you, that what you have done is wrong and you need to repent. If you do not repent, the longer you take…the further away you drift from God and now Satan can attack.

    The Holy Spirit who is in you, will keep you The Biblical Holy Spirit vs. The False Unholy Spirit of Fire However if you follow false teaching, you open a doorway for Satan to get a foothold in your life – there are always consequences to sinning. We will always be sinners (1 John 1:8), but as Christians we are being sanctified, ie., made holy in Jesus Christ. Sanctification is God’s will for us (1 Thessalonians 4:3). To “sanctify” something is to set it apart for special use; to “sanctify” a person is to make him holy. As you grow in your faith, as you progress, as you mature you will want to sin less, and things that are evil will repulse you and you will want to turn away…however we always sin Nita, we live in a corruptible body, one day in heaven we will have uncorruptible bodies. (1Cor 15:43). The Holy Spirit will always bring you back to Jesus Christ when you are truly saved through sincere repentance of sin.

    Yes Satan wants to fool you to seek new age healing and false faith healers instead of go to Jesus Christ for your deliverance.

    You rebuke him with the Word of God, see step 5 in article and you keep rebuking him until he leaves you, he has no right to you! And rebuke him with righteous anger Nita, he has no right to do this to you, you are a child of God, Jesus Christ already has the victory over him, he must obey God’s Word and leave you.

  63. Nita says:

    Thank you for kind responses Deborah.
    Im grateful.
    God bless you!
    ?

  64. Dear Nita

    Any questions, please comment. I am here for you! :hi5:

    I will be praying for you too, for Jesus Christ to give you spiritual strength to get through this spiritual battle. :nod:

  65. Suzanne says:

    I stumbled across this site last night. Wow. I have a lot of research to do. What about Joyce Meyers? I have just moved to Lanseria from Durban and was looking to attend Hands of Compassion, (Rhema but different pastors). Perhaps there are others on this site that live close to me whom I can connect with?

  66. Amy Blossom says:

    :hi: what an eye opener. Was here a year ago but pop in here as I’ve got data.

    Just wanting to inform learn more on this subject.

    Was amazed while reading from the top thru to the last comments.

    OMW :check: many similar things happened to me..laying on of hands for one. People praying for me….charismatic ect…..from a RC background but left many years ago…to a full gospel. Then lastly to Hatfield Christian church :sorry:
    Was water baptized 3 times. 1st time was coerced to utter in tongues…then was told not a child of God until holy spirit enters!!!….I was sooo frustrated I gave up searching for holy spirit……I know better NOW after reading here…..what an awesome encouragement and peace of mind I have gained today. :yahoo: thank you and God bless you Tom and Deborah xx :thank: :up:

  67. Amy Blossom says:

    Question… Is there ANY transferal of any of these spirits if one buys food from Indian deli shops..or any of their spice goods…ect?

    2) what do I do if the owner gives me a sting of their beads and a small container of their holy water from Mecca. ..Answer…I was convicted to dump these items along the road on my way home…since then our “friendships “had declined and we only now greet out of mutual respect.

  68. Dear Amy

    You said “Is there ANY transferal of any of these spirits if one buys food from Indian deli shops..or any of their spice goods…ect?”

    Nope, just as if you were to buy a can of baked beans from your local shop. Chances are the can of beans has been prayed over by Islam clerics and Jewish Rabbi’s. When you eat any food you pray and give thanks to God.

    Acts 27:35 “And when he had thus spoken, he took bread, and gave thanks to God in presence of them all: and when he had broken it, he began to eat.”

    Matthew 15:11 “Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man”

    You said “what do I do if the owner gives me a sting of their beads and a small container of their holy water from Mecca.”

    You did the right thing, I would have done exactly the same. If you had taken it home and given it a place in your house, you would have invited Allah into your home and given him place in your house. You would have opened a door for Satan to stick his foot into your life.

  69. Dear Amy

    Thank you for your comment. :hi5: I’m extremely happy that you are happy. :yay:

  70. Amy Blossom says:

    :clap: :clap: :clap: :yahoo: :yahoo:

    Thank YOU yes I’m happppy :yay:

    Thank you for this inspiring site.

  71. Nikki Comley says:

    Hi Tom & Deborah, Thank you very much for you wonderful website! I found it last night when I was searching for help on deliverance from demons. I’ve been visiting a pastor for assistance on deliverance from demons and almost feel like I’m getting worse since I started seeing her and also feel like some of the things she says and some of her behavior isn’t what I expected. I’m also very confused on the whole inherited ancestral curses and asked the Lord for clarification. Some of the scriptures that you pointed out really stood out to me and had me thinking that going to her and her church is not the way to go. The other thing that I wanted to ask you about was while I was there during the service yesterday I noticed a wall-hanging on the back wall that stood out to me while I was walking out and it really gave me a bad feeling. It was made of fabric, like a flag and the symbol on it was the star of David and coming out of the top of it looked like flames. I’ve never seen anything like it before and couldn’t find anything on it however when I saw it, I got a bad feeling about it which is usually the Holy Spirit speaking to me. The other thing that happened to me during service was that I had to leave in the middle of service because I got terrible anxiety so bad that I couldn’t calm down. The way that she is trying to help me get rid of the demons is to speak to them during our sessions and get their names, and get them to release the holds they have on me. I read a lot in the bible and the disciples had to cast the demons out of people to get rid of them back then and I love your idea of your suggestion of writing everything in a list, confessing all of your sins, etc. but if people needed a disciple to cast them out then, why wouldn’t a person need a disciple to cast them out now? I was really excited when I read your suggestion and am going to try it and I really hope it works but I’m still a little skeptical. Do you know if your suggestion has worked for many people?

  72. Dear Nikki

    Can I ask why you feel you need deliverance? What is happening to you?

    Yes I am sorry to say you are probably going to get worse going to this so called deliverance pastor… the worst thing is, not saying it’s happened to you but you could have been totally fine before you went to see her and now she has actually put something(s) on you.

    The Star of David is actually not a biblical symbol, the Israelites took this hexagram 6 pointed star from the Babylonians. Israel to this day think this star is Godly but it is unfortunately not. See article this star here: https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/08/21/is-the-star-of-david-a-godly-symbol/ and here https://za.pinterest.com/pin/534098837040885459/

    Please note we are NOT antisemitic for believing the Star of David is not a Godly symbol, we love Israel and all her people and we stand on the side of Israel 100%. Please read here at to what we believe: http://www.letusreason.org/Juda9.htm
    However…the fact remains the Star of David is a Babylonian symbol that Israel adopted and put on their flag.

    Now that we know the Star of David is nothing but a satanic hexagram, and we now see that it’s a Babylonian star symbolizing Saturn (2 triangles: AS ABOVE, SO BELOW) see another article on this star here, this pastor from this church you are going to made herself a new logo and added FIRE coming out of the top, and we know that this ‘FIRE’ these ‘FLAMES’ that are spreading across the world is not from God, it’s satanic. See article here explaining the difference between the Holy Spirit and this false unholy spirit of fire Please read all comments in this article as well.

    You said “The way that she is trying to help me get rid of the demons is to speak to them during our sessions and get their names, and get them to release the holds they have on me.”

    Sorry but I get so angry when I hear stuff like this. This is what they teach a person who studies Demonology; that you must converse with the demonic entity, get its name, and ask it to then leave. In the occult they do similar; to conjure up a demonic entity your first contact point is to communicate with it (the lesser demon) by asking ‘God’ (Satan) for permission, then get it’s name and have it become subservient to you and get it to do your bidding, at a price of course.

    You said “I’ve been visiting a pastor for assistance on deliverance from demons and almost feel like I’m getting worse since I started seeing her and also feel like some of the things she says and some of her behavior isn’t what I expected.”

    Also this woman is a pastor, this is totally unbiblical, she is heading up a church, this is a man’s job, just as Jesus Christ Himself heads up the church. Yes women can minister, but to be a pastor and actually head up a church, no no no…she is usurping Jesus’ position as head of the church.

    You said “but if people needed a disciple to cast them out then, why wouldn’t a person need a disciple to cast them out now?”

    Very good question, the answer is, if you become born again you are the next disciple in line because you BELIEVED in Jesus Christ, His death, burial and resurrection to be saved and sincerely repented of your sin and want to change your ways, then you now as a disciple, a born again child of God who was baptised by the Holy Spirit the moment you believed, you ask Jesus Christ DIRECTLY to deliver you from any demonic affliction.

    The church today has been conditioned into thinking we need a middle man, a faith healer, a deliverance minister with special Godly power to deliver us, like they have the connection to God that we supposedly don’t, when all we HAVE TO DO is ask Jesus Christ directly to set free from any demonic hold on us. Yes we can ask for other genuine Christians to pray for us, for God to give us strength.

    Yes there are instances where people who are totally demonically possessed or seriously demonically afflicted and are either totally or partially non compos mentis have to have Christians come together in prayer to cast a demon out. There we have a situation where the following takes place:

    Luke 11:24-26 (KJV)
    24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out. 25 And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished. 26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.

    The person needs to be born again thereafter, otherwise the demon returns, with more…

    Nikki you have mentioned a few times that the Holy Spirit warns you, can you please give us your testimony as to how you came to be saved?

    You said “I was really excited when I read your suggestion and am going to try it and I really hope it works but I’m still a little skeptical. Do you know if your suggestion has worked for many people?”

    It’s not a suggestion, it’s biblical for the bible says: “Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;” (Acts 3:19)

    Please read: DO NOT PROCRASTINATE, CALL!

    Nikki, just because Tom and I are in another country does not mean we can’t pray for you, you don’t need to be in someone’s presence and have them lay hands on you. (Which by the way Timothy warned us about in 1 Timothy 5:22 “Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men’s sins: keep thyself pure.

    So let us know what’s happening in your life, let us minister to you and ask you Jesus Christ Himself to set you free from any demonic affliction you are experiencing.

  73. Ak Dixon says:

    Hello,

    I am sooooo blessed by the truth on your website. I’m from Mississippi in the USA. The church that I attend has a few members from Africa. I love my people!. I am  trying to learn more of their culture!

    Question#1: 

    How can I address the false teachings with my Pastor? (I’m a new member but I have seen many “churches” in error plead the blood for years). I stopped this practice years ago. I’m new to their church & want to be led by God’s Spirit & have wisdom when approaching him & his wife

    Question #2:

    Do believers need demons cast out because I didn’t find it in scriptures?

    Scripture tells believers In James 4:7 submit to God , resist the devil, he will flee,

    Romans 6:13‭-‬14 KJV says Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

    Also God gives us temperance (self control)
    I believe we yeild to evil but a born again Holy Spirit filled believer can not be demon possessed.
    Just as Judas was chosen but not a born again believer, Jesus said he had a devil(he was the adversary) I dont find alot ot these practices in the Word.
    Scriptures speak of a man who was possessed & foamed at the mouth, a man possessed with legion , a man in church cried out but scripture does not say if these were believers or not.
    These scriptures are being used to validate deliverance ministry in the church that I attend now even churches that I visit & were apart of in the past.

    The deliverance ministry have bags & cans for vomiting etc) .

    Do we call demons out by name or just say come out unclean spirit?

    Some claim the bible is just a picture & we dont have the whole picture of what Jesus & His disciples did so therefore God gives us wisdom& revelation on how to cast out demons . (Such as a book called pigs in the parlor that many churches have used to open these doors up)

    Do we pray against spirits or ask God to rebuke them? Michael the angel said to satan, “the Lord rebukes thee” he didnt say I rebuke thee. I wonder because scriptures talk of speaking evil against dignities 2nd peter 2:10

     
    Jesus Christ & the disciples fast & prayed to cast them out, or commanded them to go but never tried to force demons out by pushing down on people’s heads or tried to break a neck forceing a demon out

    I was assaulted in a 2006 service & honestly thought I was going to die after going up for prayer..I began to cry out so loud because they all were hurting my head & neck laying hands. My cry was mistaken for demonic possession so they got even more rough on my head & neck. Some even knew that I was crying out for help .. they knew that I was being assaulted but they did nothing to stop it because of fear, I assumed.
    Also because strongholds were in this church, even a Jezebel’s spirit was in operation there for years, the love had vanished & people did what was right in their own eyes…meanness, hatred, bitterness, backstabbing, lust, etc had taken over this church..it was once powerful, healing, break throughs, etc but the enemy infiltrated it so badly, many became deceived., others left as I did that same service in 2006
    Yes i was angry a long time after an elder told me that she & others witnessed it & knew that my screams were from being assaulted but they did nothing to help me as a baby Christian..
    I see this happening tooooo much..(it’s always the head being pushed on so harshly or mistaken a cry for demonic possession or a cry means the person has sinned or going through something..it may mean joy or God just released me from a thing & tears of “thank you Jesus, I’m grateful!)

    Question #3

    How do I address the leaders about laying hands on me or others when I’m crying? Some think that every cry or tear means you’re demonically possessed when sometimes all it can be is a need for comfort , support, or just a cry for another soul.

    #4

    When outside speakers come to preach or even ones that I attend church with,-How do I keep their hands off me when they walk to my seat to lay hands on my head to pray when I know their is false doctrine or something ungodly in their fruit

    I’ve searched many churches  but haven’t found one perfect church, nor a perfect believer, or perfect soul. Now I know that I never will, I just want to help them see the light. 

    The pastor that I’m under has an approachable spirit but since im new, I dont know how to present it because they have been in this for years 

    Thank you in advance & God bless you, your families, & Africa!!!

    From AK

  74. Dear Ak Dixon

    Thank you for your comment. Sorry it’s taken me so long to get back to you, I’ve had a rough few days where I have not been feeling all to well. Yesterday I overdid it and today my little brain is suffering… so I’m gonna take it easy.

    Let’s answer your questions:

    Question#1: How can I address the false teachings with my Pastor?

    Well, this is something that pretty much all of us (genuinely saved Christians) will come across at least 50 times in our lifetime as we hop from church to church looking for sound biblical teaching. Only to sit in the congregation staring blankly at the pastor wondering what bible he got his teaching from as you look around (in amazement) at everyone’s faces as they applaud him and shout out AMEN!.

    So what do you do? Well you can do 1 of 4 things.
    1. You FIRST pray about it and ask God to give you the strength and wisdom to handle the situation correctly.
    2. You can leave and not go back because you can just assume he has been spoken too (via many sources for e.g., the internet is full of articles preaching the truth – the possibility he has stumbled upon some of them and READ THEM is highly likely) or
    3. You try arrange a little meeting with him (prepare yourself for the worst) and tell him you you would like to discuss some things he said and go over scripture with him, or
    4. Which is the better option (because not all people can handle one on one, face to face debate/combat) is write a letter, this way you can say exactly what you want to say, quote the relevant scripture to get your message across and this way you wont have to deal with a pastor (who has studied for years) who has been trained to wrestle his opponents to the ground with false teaching. If he started to read your letter and chucks it in the bin after a few paragraphs, know you that did your duty to speak to him, and it was him who threw the gospel in the trash can. You can then leave.

    Question #2: Do believers need demons cast out because I didn’t find it in scriptures?

    Christians can be demonically afflicted, but not demon possessed as such. If a Christian were to do something that was sinful, believe in a false doctrine that unbeknownst to them invited a demonic entity onto them to afflict them, and the believer later found out this is what had happened, all the believer has to do is repent of their sin, and ask Jesus Christ directly to remove the demonic entity from them. For years after I was born again, I believed I had a gift from God to sense demonic spirits (I believed this fell under the banner of discernment), until Tom Lessing told me that I actually had clairvoyance. Wow, that was a shock to me, and I immediately on the spot prayed to Jesus Christ and ask Jesus Christ to remove this demonic affliction from me, and Jesus Christ was faithful to do so right there and then. I have never experienced that again.

    You said “Do we call demons out by name or just say come out unclean spirit?”

    We do not communicate with them, you do not entertain them, you cast them out immediately in the name of Jesus Christ. In fact, you say “Jesus Christ the Son of God rebuke thee, come out now.” Please read article above.

    You said “Some claim the bible is just a picture & we dont have the whole picture of what Jesus & His disciples did so therefore God gives us wisdom& revelation on how to cast out demons”

    Yes this is a big favourite for the Apostolic/prophetic bunch they use the verse 1 Corinthians 13:12 ” For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.”

    If you take the time to actually understand this verse it’s quite simple, and it means that at the time when the Apostles where being given revelation by God they only knew part…and therefore they prophesied in part, but as time when by, years in fact, books of the bible were still being written through inspiration of the Holy Spirit penned by Apostles hands. Once the bible was complete, everything became PERFECTLY CLEAR, for us to understand. There is nothing in the bible that is obscure, the final cannon is perfect in every way.

    So these false teachers use this verse to come up with (new revelation) their own ways and means of dealing with people who they think are possessed, when in fact they are not. Or worse, deal with people who are possessed and nearly kill them in the process of trying to get the demon to leave.

    Question #3 and #4 How do I address the leaders about laying hands on me or others when I’m crying? Some think that every cry or tear means you’re demonically possessed when sometimes all it can be is a need for comfort , support, or just a cry for another soul….and….How do I keep their hands off me when they walk to my seat to lay hands on my head to pray when I know their is false doctrine or something ungodly in their fruit

    Yes, this is a very good question and one of the reasons I stopped going to church. I too become very emotional sometimes and next minute you have someone standing by you asking you what’s wrong? To explain to them you are emotional because Jesus Christ has saved a wretch like me, just doesn’t compute with these people and they feel they now MUST lay hands on you to try pray for you. You have 1 or 2 options.
    1. Just tell them outright to not lay hands on you and don’t go back – because when you tell someone not to lay hands on you, you are immediately going to be looked at as someone who is unsaved and REALLY needs prayer, or
    2. If they do get to lay hands on you or hover hands over you, you pray and ask Jesus Christ to protect you from anything they try transfer to you. Jesus WILL stop anything they try put on you.

    The idea behind transferring spirits is that when they pray out loud over you, it breaks your concentration to pray, and this way unholy spirits are transferred. “Don’t pray and just receive” I was once told. And that night I was knocked out cold by a very warm feeling come over me, which I later realised was NOT the Holy Spirit. So always pray, do not stop and “just receive”, ALWAYS ask Jesus Christ to protect you.

    You said “The pastor that I’m under has an approachable spirit but since im new, I dont know how to present it because they have been in this for years”

    Let’s hope he still has an approachable spirit when it comes to hearing the truth. Sometimes these ‘oh so approachable pastors’ turn into fully fledged demons when you try one to many times to tell them that what they are preaching is not correct.

    Last by not least you said “I am trying to learn more of their culture!”

    Dear AK, I sincerely recommend you (as a born again child of God) focus on the bible and Jesus Christ and heavenly things, and not on the cultures of people, because you will find a very dark satanic river that runs through all cultures, not just in Africa. I love South Africa, and I love all people, black, white, indian, coloured, asian, etc. But South Africa is currently under judgement from God for South Africa has made herself an enemy of Israel – the apple of God’s eye. Currently as we stand we are a goat nation. We have a wicked government chosen democratically by the people and countries get the government’s they deserve = people’s choice.

    Come Lord Jesus, come quickly…

  75. Ak Dixon says:

    Dear Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Thank you for responding and I pray for your healing in the name of Jesus Christ.

    As I read your article/website on pleading the blood, I didn’t realize that your website had many other articles that I had not read before. I was searching pleading the blood & your article popped up.

    I spoke to soon & said that I am soooooo blessed by the truth on your site, only meaning what I had read (pleading the blood is not scriptural, I agree , it is not found in the KJV New testament)

    I don’t want to come off as someone that I’m not (as if I have read your entire site which I haven’t) so I will do more reading here & seek God’s word on what you have published.

    Thank you again and I will take your advice on possibly writing the pastor a letter.

    As far as trying to learn of the cultures of Africa, I want to know where their head is, their beliefs, what is their background, etc because I do want to know who is laboring among me as others want to know about me when I am new to them.

    Although, I am aware of the darkness of different cultures, I want to show love by fixing a dish from their country, maybe write a thank you note in their language, etc, something simple & kind because they are genuinely kind (the people from Africa that I have encountered ).

    Also, could you touch on how to truly forgive, & not have any resentment towards those who have hurt us?

    Even those who walk in their own ways & dont see SELF, who constantly misjudge, misunderstand, harass us, teach on us when they have totally misjudged & thise who come against us without a cause.

    Thank you Debra again

  76. Hi Ak You wrote:

    Also, could you touch on how to truly forgive, & not have any resentment towards those who have hurt us?

    Even those who walk in their own ways & don’t see SELF, who constantly misjudge, misunderstand, harass us, teach on us when they have totally misjudged & thise who come against us without a cause.

    The very first thing to need to do is to go on your knees and thank God that you are not greater than your Master.

    The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household? (Mat 10:24-25).

    Only God can make people see their SELF. What your own SELF needs to do is to die to those who hurt you and praise Jesus for giving you an opportunity to be conformed into His image.

  77. Dear AK Dixon

    You said “and I pray for your healing in the name of Jesus Christ.”

    Not sure if this has crossed your mind, but telling someone that you are going to pray for them without asking them if it’s ok that you can pray for them is the same as just going up to someone and laying hands on them without asking. I don’t know who you are, so if you don’t mind, please don’t pray for me. I have asked God for healing, if it’s His WILL He will heal me. Otherwise I pray daily that He looks after me, which He does.

    You said “I spoke to soon & said that I am soooooo blessed”

    Ahhhh interesting, do tell what has suddenly ‘unblessed you’ or was it a self-blessing?

    As for cooking a meal for different cultures, I actually thought I did mention that in my reply to you but I see it’s not there. I wanted to say, of course you can learn other cultures ways specially when it comes to cooking, I love curry, I cook a super mean curry that is so tasty it brings tears to your eyes :laugh: and I love going to different restaurants. Of course I ask God to bless my food that He made. So eating an Halaal Shawarma is not a problem for me. You just have to look at your canned food or packet of sweets to see which religious clerics have prayed over it, to make it Halaal or Kosher etc, etc. And of course it’s good to understand different religious backgrounds when it comes to Apologetics, but I don’t care one bit for the religious culture of others. I will for instance not celebrate Ramadan with Muslims to show them ‘how much I love them’ and eat with them when breaking a fast, as Emergent church followers will happily do.

    You said “Also, could you touch on how to truly forgive, & not have any resentment towards those who have hurt us?”

    Colossians 3:13 “Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.”

    Mark 11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.

    Well this is impossible for a person who is not a child of God. The world generally appears ‘forgiving’ but really aren’t. For a born again person, forgiveness comes much easier as God tells us to forgive each other just as He forgives us (of course we can not forgive someone of their sins, only Jesus Christ can do that if that person goes to Jesus Christ directly and repents). Harboring anger towards someone who has done you wrong only causes hatred to grow in your heart. You pray and you tell Jesus Christ you are hurt, and you ask Jesus to forgive you for your sins first, you tell Him you want to forgive the person who has wronged you, and you ask Jesus Christ to remove the anger from your heart. If you don’t then…

    Matthew 6:14-15 14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

    – Does this mean I have to now make friends with that person who curses my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and go on holiday’s together? No.
    – Does that mean I must now invite that person over to my house and have supper during the Hindu festival of Diwali to show them I have forgiven them? Never.
    – Will I be genuinely nice and show no animosity to that person if I ever met them again? Of course.
    – Will they who curse me, show animosity towards me because I preach the gospel and love Jesus Christ of the bible with all my heart? Most definitely!
    – Will I continue to preach the gospel truth to them to show them how much I really love them? Absolutely!
    – Will I come off looking like the ‘hater’ all the time? Yes, because just as they hate Jesus Christ first and without a cause, so they too will hate me.
    John 15:25 “But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
    John 15:18 “If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.”

    You said “something simple & kind because they are genuinely kind”

    Nothing wrong with being kind, bible commands you to love your neighbor (preach the gospel), but to assume someone is ‘genuinely kind’ because they appear that way is easily tested (1 John 4:1-6) by preaching the gospel to them.

    The apostle Paul who brought the gospel to the Galatians spoke blessings to him, and then no sooner had they received the truth, they turned against Paul and Paul said to them:

    Gal 4:9-16 (AKJV) 9 But now, after that you have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn you again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto you desire again to be in bondage? 10 You observe days, and months, and times, and years. 11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed on you labor in vain. 12 Brothers, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as you are: you have not injured me at all. 13 You know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel to you at the first. 14 And my temptation which was in my flesh you despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus. 15 Where is then the blessedness you spoke of? for I bear you record, that, if it had been possible, you would have plucked out your own eyes, and have given them to me. 16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

    In your email to me you said:

    “God bless you a hundred fold. May His will be done in & through you & those who labour with you. May He continue to bless you & your ministry to abound in love towards all. May God our Father in Heaven give you all a continuation of His wisdom, knowledge, & a great understanding of His Holy Word in Jesus name. Amen.”

    Do you take that back too? lol :scratch:

    John 15:18-25 Jesus said “18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. 19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. 20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. 21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name’s sake, because they know not him that sent me. 22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin. 23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also. 24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father. 25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.”

  78. Laura says:

    I was wondering if you could email me. I would like to discuss the deliverance process with you on a more personal level. I am needing some help as I experienced the awakening and more. I would like to explain everything in detail but by sending you an email so I can get rid of it permanently.

  79. Seeker says:

    Dear DTW, I have learned so much from this website, thank you. Please assist me with brutal honesty and don’t hold back. I am seeking real salvation and deliverance for some years now. I was so sinfull, and one day realised that my lifestile must be making Jesus cry. I started going to church and pray and read Bible obsesively serious. The next night I saw Jesus standing in front of my eyes, he was crying so sadly, I couldn’t bare to see this. I was so upset and couldn’t tell anybody, so I landed in hospital with anziety and stress. I then wanted to get water babtism and called a pastor from a pentacostal church and made an appointment to see him and he agreed to babtise me although I was sprinkeled with water as an infant in the Reformed church. Soon after my water babtism I became aflicted with a demonic attack that is unthinkable. I had awfull blasphemous thoughts that made me scared and tired me out. I was fighting it all day long, non stop. I then realised that things in the church was strange and there was tipical pentacostal things, the list goes on and on. The strange unknown tongues, the “profits’, the jumping people, the trembling people, those with twitches, dreams, visions. the laying on of hands, the faith healers, to name just a few. I think I fell from the frying pan of sin into the fire of the false church, and the false Jesus. About 5 years later, now I have started to see the truth and calm down. I thank God for you, because few people will be honest and tell you to your face that you are running after the false Jesus. :hat:

  80. Hi Seeker

    You asked us to assist you with brutal honesty. So here goes. You have been brutally deceived when another Jesus appeared to you weeping over your lifestyle. First of all, the Jesus of the Bible will never appear to sinners and cry uncontrollably to convince them of sin, righteousness, and judgment. Jesus Christ sent the Holy Spirit to do the work of conviction, and as you may know, the Holy Spirit is a spirit whom you cannot see with your natural eyes. (John 16:7-8), which again proves that the Jesus you saw was a false one.

    Secondly, there is only one place in the Bible where it says “Jesus wept.” (John 11:35). Some say he wept because Lazarus died. Why would He weep over a person whom He knew He was going to raise from the dead? He wept, not because Lazarus had died. He wept because of their unbelief.

    Thirdly, Jesus never weeps over peoples’ sinful lives. In fact, He is angry with them. “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. (John 3:36).

    For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; (Romans 1:18).

    Fourthly, water baptism cannot save you. Pentecostals, not unlike the Roman Catholic Church, believe that water baptism administered by one of their clergies opens heaven’s doors to you. That’s pure blasphemy. No wonder you became afflicted by demonic attacks.

    Finally. Starting to see the truth and calming down are also not salvation. What you must do is call on the Name of the Lord. (Acts 2:21). Only those who realize they are lost sinners on their way to everlasting perdition in hell will come to Jesus and call on his name. It is not enough to realize that you are such a sinful creature. Most people readily admit that they are sinners but very few acknowledge that they are lost because, as they say, they try to do good. (Matthew 9:12). Even Pharoah admitted that he had sinned and that his people were wicked. (Exodus 9:27; 10:16). Was he saved?

  81. jasonc65 says:

    I was oppressed with Lordship Salvation, which is a demonic doctrine. I did not need to throw away all my books and say such a convoluted sinful prayer for deliverance. Too much emphasis on repenting of sin is not even good for discipleship. To change my mind about any book, organization or site with demonic connections was enough. Jesus is sufficient for me, and I live by grace.

  82. Hi Jason65

    You said:

    “Too much emphasis on repenting of sin is not even good for discipleship.

    You know, that’s exactly what Jesus said before He went to the cross, “My death on the cross is to encourage you not to put too much emphasis on sin because it hampers discipleship.” Who determines the degree of emphasis one must place on the repenting of sin to know exactly what the perfect emphasis is? YOU?

  83. jasonc65 says:

    Edit: “sinner’s prayer” not “sinful prayer”

    I like what 1 John 1:7 says.

  84. jasonc65

    It’s always a good thing to read a verse in the context it appears. So let’s do that now.

    But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.  (1 John 1:7)
    If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.  (1 John 1:8)
    If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.  (1 John 1:9)
    If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.  (1 John 1:10)

    Wow, did you see that – THE SINNER’S PRAYER?

  85. jasonc65 says:

    Your sinner’s prayer is a treadmill and contradicts Galatians 5:1. I can’t name all the times I was angry or hated someone.

  86. jasonc65

    How on earth does the confession of sins contradict Galatians 5:1? In Galatians Paul talks about the bondwoman (the Law) which the Jews desired to put themselves under again, suggesting that they too thought they were able to keep the law and had no need to tread the mill. If you can’t remember all of your sins, which, of course, none of us can, anger and hatred are two of the most dangerous because it is akin to murder, and I am pretty sure the Holy Spirit must have convicted you of them. If not, then you have a huge problem. You’d better start learning how to tread the mill when there is a multitude of times when you are/were angry and hated someone.

  87. jasonc65 says:

    Anger and hatred are common to all man. No one avoids them. The most dangerous sins are the ones you do openly because they can destroy your testimony. Jesus is the end of the law for all who believe. Your laundry list leaves me no freedom and I reject.

  88. jasonc65 wrote:

    “Anger and hatred are common to all man. No one avoids them. The most dangerous sins are the ones you do openly because they can destroy your testimony.”

    So, you are slightly better than those who commit their sins openly and when you confess your sins to God you say, “Blessed are those who become angry and hate others for it is the most common of sins among all men and I cannot lose my testimony when I show anger and hatred toward others.” Bully for you, old chappie. The confession of sins is not an attempt to keep the Law. In Matthew 5:17-20 Jesus says that He has fulfilled the Law. Yet, in Matthew 7:24-27 He says,

    Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, AND DOETH THEM, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. (Matthew 7:24-27).

    Doing what jasonc65? – anger and hatred or Jesus commandments (his Law)? It is very interesting that He speaks of the sins of anger and hatred immediately after He says He has fulfilled the Law. Look, jasonc65 you are wasting my time. First, go and learn what the difference is between the Law (Ten Commandments) and Jesus’ commandments in Matthew 5-7 and then come back and hopefully, you will have learned something constructive to stop you from making so many God-dishonoring statements.

  89. jasonc65 says:

    You twist my words. Showing anger with words is doing it openly. I am done.

  90. So, God is blind, deaf and dumb because He cannot see or hear your hidden (wordless) bouts of anger and hatred in your anger and hatred ridden mind and heart. You are indeed done, D-O-N-E, DONE.

  91. Tino says:

    Good day i just wanted to ask about email or internet personal prophecies,which sounds so true i got alot of them is it biblical help please.

  92. Shane Fuller says:

    I have this serpent spirit in me and I dont know how to get it out,
    It’s like a spiritual serpent moving and twisting my body,
    Where can I go to get help, I live in Houston Texas

  93. Shane Fuller says:

    I have this snake spirit in me
    I was baptized when I was a kid
    Then chose again when i started going to a mormon church
    I have came back to the Lord periodically after sin, I’m 26 and I feel like I have been like the dog that returns to his own vomit. I dont want to be. In high school I was in sin and then tried to come back, then college was in sin and tried to come back was baptized at a mormon church again, now I am 26 and just want a clean start with Jesus and the Holy Spirit and this Unholy snake spirit out of me

  94. Shane Fuller

    How do you know you have a snake spirit. Did someone tell you, you have one?

  95. Np says:

    In the Bible, Matthew 17:21 mentions praying and fasting to remove evil spirits from a person. This article, however, does not recommend fasting for deliverance. Am confused. Please shed light on this question.

  96. Hi Np

    Some of the best manuscripts do not contain verse 21 in the assumption that it was taken from Mark 9:29 and that someone included it in Matthew in the process of copying the manuscripts. Be that as it may, we cannot base our deliberations on mere assumptions. We can only study the Word of God to seek guidance and then to come to a verifiable conclusion.

    The very first thing we need to do, is to circumspectly bear in mind that when Jesus gave his disciples (including Judas Iscariot) authority and power over the devil and his demons, He gave them power over all the unclean spirits, including the kind mentioned in Matthew 17:21 (Matthew 10:1). The fact that Judas Iscariot received the very same power over unclean spirits, proves that the faith Jesus mentions in Matthew is not a faith unto salvation but a faith of complete reliance on God with whom nothing is impossible (Matthew 17:20) and his infinite power.

    It is also very important to note that in Matthew 9, just before He sent his disciples into the world to drive out unclean spirits and to heal the sick, He did not place that much emphasis on fasting as we may have thought He would, as indeed the disciples of John did at that time. When the disciples of John asked Him “Why do we and the Pharisees fast oft, but thy disciples fast not?” (9:14), they were more concerned about fasting merely as a religious ritual which even the Pharisees rigidly followed and needed to learn that fasting had no value or purpose when practiced by unbelievers but only had true significance when it was done in relation to the Bridegroom. Hence his answer: “Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast” (Matthew 9:15).

    From this, it is evident that when He initially sent his disciples to drive out unclean spirits, fasting was not such a big issue. Whether they became too placid about their God-given ability to drive out demons, we don’t know. The fact is that they were visibly surprised and crestfallen when they failed to cast the demon out (Matthew 17:19). How could this be when all the unclean spirits obeyed them when they cast them out on their first missionary journey to the Jews? It was obviously not their lack of prayer and fasting that sparked their failure. It was, as Jesus said, because of their unbelief. He could not have referred to unbelief in Him as their Redeemer. The faith He wanted them to demonstrate was one of complete reliance and dependence on Him, His Father, and the Holy Spirit to do whatever they asked in his Name according to their will. It did not require faith as big as a mountain to accomplish anything. All they needed was faith as small as a mustard seed to move a mountain when it was God’s will. Jesus did not suggest that they should take a day off to fast and pray so that they could cast “this kind” of demon out. He was preparing them for the day when He, the Bridegroom, would no longer be with them and that their sight-based faith needed to develop into a “not-seen” based faith (Hebrews 11:1; John 20:29).

    The bottom line is this. They needed to learn to fast and pray (both are inseparable) for the following reasons. Fasting, which simply means to abstain from foods during the time of prayer, is the means to demonstrate that we do not rely on bread alone for our daily sustenance but on every word (including his promises – 2 Corinthians 1:20) that proceeds from his mouth (Matthew 4:4), even when the Bridegroom is no longer with us. It also demonstrates that we are mourning (yearning, longing) for our Bridegroom to return when it would no longer be necessary to cast out demons and wrestle against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. (Ephesians 6:12).

  97. Np says:

    Thank you for your detailed reply.

  98. Hi Np. Are we in agreement?

  99. Np says:

    Yes, I do agree with you. I hope to learn more from your articles. Thank you.

  100. Dear Laura

    Sorry for the terribly late reply, I would prefer it if you spoke out in the open, no one knows who you are. I’ve had too many people email me personally who ultimately befriended me with the notion of changing my way of thinking or catching me out. I would prefer you speak out in the open. I will reply to you here.

  101. Ida says:

    I am so thankful for this website and especially this article – I have learnt so many things here, it’s like a degree in true Christianity. I just keep reading, and stuff that I am facing this year, you have dealt with already 10 years ago. God bless you.

  102. Dear Ida

    Thank you Ida for your love and support. Love you and God bless you too.

  103. Nicolette Erasmus says:

    Hi there, is there anyone that can recommend a sound biblical church in the East Rand area?

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