Why Jonathan Cahn and His Revelations Must be Ignored
Why Jonathan Cahn, His Mysteries, Keys and Revelations Must be Ignored
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn has been bothering me with his “The Harbinger” and now “The Mystery of the Shemitah” ‘revelations‘. Who is he exactly? Is he a born again Christian or is far worse than just your plain run of the mill false teacher?
He calls himself a Rabbi yet the bible says:
Matthew 23:8 “8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.”
He has been labelled a modern day prophet as he brings a prophetic message with The Harbinger where he blatantly implies that America is treading the same path for judgment as ancient Israel and connects Isaiah 9:10 to America. The Harbinger was published by FrontLine, an imprint of Charisma House which used to be known as Strang Communications run by Steve Strang who is part of the New Apostolic Reformation.
Israel and a New World…
The main problem with The Harbinger is that Jonathan Cahn equates America to be a replacement of Israel, a New Israel. He says in his book:
The Prophet: “But there was one other-a civilization also conceived and dedicated to the will of God from its conception . . . America. In fact, those who laid its foundations . . .”
Noriel Kaplan: “The Founding Fathers.”
The Prophet: “No, long before the Founding Fathers. Those who laid America’s foundations saw it as the new Israel, an Israel of the New World. And as it was with ancient Israel, they saw it as in covenant with God.“
This is unbiblical. Jonathan Cahn is claiming that the Pilgrims (America’s founders who were Puritans – Calvinists) constituted America to be in a covenant relationship with God like Israel is in a covenant with God. This is of course a lie, but they believed it never the less. He claims that America replaces Israel as the new Israel for a New World…Order. Israel is the only nation in a covenant relationship with God that was established through Abraham.
Here he says it again on Glen Becks show. Glen Beck is a Mormon. Why would a christian like Jonathan Cahn appear on a Mormon’s show?
2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
Jonathan Cahn On Glenn Beck’s TV show (A Mormon)
Another country who also believes they are the New Israel is Britain, with the British Royal Family believing that they are descendants of King David. This is of course a lie. But they believe it never the less. This is called British Israelism (also called Anglo-Israelism).
Freemasons, other occultists and unbelievers can’t stand the fact that Israel is God’s chosen nation and will do anything to replace Israel, literally and spiritually.
The King Solomon connection
Jonathan Cahn says in The Harbinger:
Kaplan: “Some link between this city and the ancient vow,” I said. “Somehow Isaiah 9:10 has to be connected to Washington DC.” (p.61)
George Washington – Freemason
The Prophet: “Solomon was the king of Israel. Washington was the first president of the United States. There was something in the linking of ancient Israel and America, as with all the other mysteries.”(p.109)
King Solomon was appointed by God Himself to be king. George Washington was elected via vote to be President. There is a big difference between the two. George Washington was also a Freemason. When George Washington spoke of God, he was referring to Lucifer, not the God of the bible. Freemasons are besotted with claiming Israel for themselves. The Pilgrims who proclaimed a false covenant with God were most likely Freemasons as well hence they could come up with such nonsense as to claim America to be the New Israel.
Freemasons also worship King Solomon who they believed to be the greatest magus (sorcerer) of all time. Is that why Jonathan Cahn connects King Solomon to George Washington because it’s a satanic connection?
“The purpose of Masonry’s veneration of Solomon is not to advance an alternate view of history, but to present, however subtly, the archetype of the future human being — men and women who truly possess Solomon’s Key — the power to master our own demons and redirect their destructive energy to build the Temple of our own evolving soul.” —Lon Milo DuQuette, The Key to King Solomons Keys – Is this the lost symbol of Masonry, Second Edition
So who is Jonathan Cahn then and what does he believe?
Well if you go to his website it says:
“Jonathan Cahn is President of Hope of the World ministries, Senior Pastor and Messianic Rabbi of the the Jerusalem Center/ Beth Israel in Wayne, New Jersey. He is also the author of the best selling book ‘The Harbinger‘. His teachings are broadcast daily over hundreds of radio stations throughout the United States and the world and on television. He ministers, as did the first Jewish messengers of the Gospel, sharing the message of Messiah to Jew and Gentile, Israel, and the nations. He has ministered before mass gatherings in India, Nigeria, Cuba, Mizoram, Honduras, Haiti, & throughout the world. His teachings are widely known for revealing the deep mysteries of God’s word and for the restoring of the new covenant message to its original biblically Jewish richness and power.” [Emphasis added] —http://www.bethisraelworshipcenter.org/aboutjonathan.htm
That is very interesting. So Jonathan Cahn knows the deep mysteries of God’s Word that Christians don’t know? And only Jonathan Cahn can reveal these mysteries to us? Jonathan Cahn’s plan is also to restore the message that Jesus Christ preaches to it’s original Jewish richness and power. So until Jonathan Cahn came along all born again believers for the last 2000+ years that have been reading the Scriptures were reading a bible that had no value and no authority what-so-ever. Isn’t that nice, that Jonathan Cahn came to save the day.
What does he mean by all ‘richness and power’? Does he mean that we need to infuse the Bible with Kaballah mysticism in order to understand it properly?
Here is another version of his biography that was on his website but the link has now been removed:
“Jonathan Cahn is President of Hope of the World ministries….Descended of the line of Aaron, he has been asked to sound the Jubilee trumpet and minister among the nations, a prophetic ministry of and to the Jew and the Gentile in the last days. His teachings include the revealing of ancient mysteries, the depth and wonders of God’s Word, and the restoration of the Gospel message in its original Biblically Jewish context, richness, and power.”
Who asked him to sound the Jubilee trumpet? And what does that mean exactly? Here he states that his ministry is a prophetic ministry. As Christians we know that there is no such thing as a prophetic ministry. People will only begin to prophesy again in the last days (during the Tribulation):
Acts 2:17-18 “And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:” 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:” (Joel 2:28)
There is a movement called the ‘Hebrew Roots Movement’ where they believe that you cannot understand the bible unless you go back to your Hebrew ways (become like the Jews) and read extra biblical sources such as the Midrash, Zohar and the Talmud etc., to gain a higher enlightenment of the Scriptures.
The Berean Call says:
“The late Jewish scholar and researcher of first century life in Israel, David Flusser, said rightly; “Jesus was a Jew in every way” ( Jewish Sources in Early Christianity , Adama Books, New York, 1987, p.7). There is absolutely no denying that Jesus was born a Jew and lived an observant Jewish life. He did this to fulfill completely every demand of the law, He did it for us (Romans:8:1-4), and He continues to do it in us if we are true believers.
So if we want to be like Jesus, does that mean that we must become observant Jews, as some allege? Is that what being like Jesus really means? Should Gentile believers try to be Messianic Jews? Can they? Should Gentiles don a yarmulke, worship in a synagogue, blow a shofar, wear a prayer shawl, call Jesus Yeshua or Yeshu, keep the Old Testament feasts and dietary laws, and give their pastors the title of Rabbi, even though Matthew:23:8 says otherwise? Are Jewish ceremonies and practices efficacious?
Do we need to restore first century or later Jewish practices to really be good Christians? The Pharisees practiced all the ceremonies, but theirs is a cautionary tale since Jesus told them that they did these things in vain (Matthew:15:7-9, See also Matthew 23).
So, is Jewishness next to godliness? One very modern movement would answer the question with a loud-“yes, more or less!” This growing movement is called the Hebrew Roots Movement (HRM). Unfortunately, it lacks a shared, coherent, consistent theology, an internal mechanism of doctrinal control, and it is filled with mavericks who seem to be making it up as they go along in terms of attachment to Jewish accoutrements.” Continue to read this article: Bewitching Believers Through the Hebrew Roots Movement
Did the Zohar greatly shaped Jonathan Cahn’s writings?
10 Sephirot – Zohar – Kaballah
I had no idea we needed to be taught NEW revelations from Gnostics books such as the Zohar (part of the Kabbalah). In this video below we see Jonathan Cahn preaching new revelations about the Bible from an extra-biblical source the Zohar.
The Zohar (Hebrew: זֹהַר, lit. “Splendor” or “Radiance”) is the foundational work in the literature of Jewish mystical thought known as Kabbalah.[1] It is a group of books including commentary on the mystical aspects of the Torah (the five books of Moses) and scriptural interpretations as well as material on mysticism, mythical cosmogony, and mystical psychology. The Zohar contains discussions of the nature of God, the origin and structure of the universe, the nature of souls, redemption, the relationship of Ego to Darkness and “true self” to “The Light of God”. Its scriptural exegesis can be considered an esoteric form of the Rabbinic literature known as Midrash, which elaborates on the Torah. — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zohar
Watch Jonathan Cahn: Zohar – Golgotha (1)
Jonathan Cahn’s response regarding his quoting the Zohar (Q&A from here):
Question: It is stated that Jonathan Cahn “says that Zohar, an extra biblical, mystical source from which the occult and mystical Kabbalah is derived, greatly influenced his writing.”
Answer: “Unfortunately this kind of statements represents some of the extreme and bizarre opposition to The Harbinger – It is an extreme false accusation. No. I have never in my life said that the Zohar has greatly influenced my writing – nor has it ever. What this accusation is taken from and twisted out of recognition from – Is that I have in some special teachings shared quotes found in the rabbinic writings which unwittingly bear witness of the truth of the Gospel – things that most Jewish people have no idea of – such as Isaiah 53 being about the Messiah, or God being Three in One, Messiah dying for our sins [DTW Note: Isaiah 53 in our Bible clearly describes the suffering of Jesus Christ. Why does Cahn need to appeal to occult, mystic Jewish documents like the Zohar/Kabbalah to get Jewish people to listen? Isn’t reading the Bible itself sufficient for Cahn?], or a connection made between the mercy of God and the word “Golgotha.” These things can be used to share the Gospel. This has been a standard method of apologetics and evangelism for ages. Rabbinical writings, mystical or otherwise, have been quoted for ages, in Bible commentaries, apologetics, works such as The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah, etc. To take this and then present it as if I or any Christian pastor or scholar is a secret follower of such things because they used a quote to bear witness of the Gospel is, as, one minister friend of mine would say – shameful at best. It should not have even appeared in print.
The apostle Paul actually quoted from a pagan hymn to Zeus in order to share the truth of the Gospel at Mars Hill. [DTW Note: This argument has used by many heretics to justify their quoting Catholics, Buddhists, etc.] If we were to then to accuse him of being into Zeus worship, or that pagan writings were behind the epistles, or accuse of him of being secretly pagan – I would think we would need to repent. It’s called bearing false witness.”
Sorry, for me the logic does not follow. If Cahn is the born again Christian that he claims, he should condemn the ungodly, occult Zohar/Kaballah. He should not quote it, except in condemnation of its passages.
Let’s look at it another way – would a born again, biblically sound Christian:
… quote from a Catholic document to evangelize Catholics because it seemed to contain some Christian thoughts?
… quote from a Mormon document to evangelize Mormons because it seemed to contain some Christian thoughts?
… quote from a Jehovah’s Witnesses document to evangelize Jehovah’s Witnesses because it seemed to contain some Christian thoughts?
… quote from a New Age document to evangelize New Agers because it seemed to contain some Christian thoughts?
… quote from a Wiccan document to evangelize Wiccans because it seemed to contain some Christian thoughts?
… quote from a Satanic document to evangelize Satanists because it seemed to contain some Christian thoughts?
The answer is an emphatic NO, a born again Christians does not use and does not need extra biblical sources to preach the gospel.
Is Jonathan Cahn possibly a Freemason?
Who do we as Christian know that delve into Gnostic teachings such as the Kabbalah etc? Freemasons of course. Is Jonathan Cahn a Freemason? A picture is worth a thousand words:
Do you need some more proof? The picture below shows Jonathan Cahn showing the Hebrew letter for Shin ( ש) hand sign in Kabbalah, made popular by Dr Spok in Star Trek also known as the Vulcan salute. See here as Nelson Mandela does the same Freemason hand sign.
The Hebrew letter ש Shin is the twenty-first letter of the Kabbalistic alphabet
The Shemitah 2015
The Berean Call says:
This imposed Shemitah judgment was very specific and involved only the nation of Israel . Since no Gentile nations were ever obligated to keep the Shemitah, there is no scriptural basis for suggesting that any other nation would ever experience an imposed Shemitah judgment. Yet, this is precisely what Jonathan Cahn suggests that America has experienced.
Cahn also wrongly implies that the Shemitah is essentially a universal principle that is somehow integrated into the order of the universe. Cahn makes the following assertion in his book:
[KAPLAN] “Seven years-the biblical period of time that concerns a nation’s financial and economic realms.” [This and all quotes are taken from: Jonathan Cahn, The Harbinger (Lake Mary, FL: Frontline, Charisma Media/Charisma House Book Group, 2011)]
Although Israel was on a seven-year economic cycle, no biblical passages support Cahn’s idea that natural economic cycles of seven years exist for nations in general. Furthermore, financial experts have not identified any seven-year economic cycle. —http://www.thebereancall.org/content/october-2014-extra-shemitah
If anything happens during The Shemitah (September 2015), it’s not because of God and a connection to Isaiah 9:10, it’s because the Freemasons who control this world are pushing the buttons and they are making things happen (in cycles of 7 as it’s a ‘magic’ number) for their own purposes to further the progress of a New World Order.
Here is Christine Lagarde from the IMF who tells us that the Illuminati are also very interested in the number 7 and cycles of 7.
Jonathan Cahn is using these Harbinger and Shemitah fables to catch millions of unsuspecting Christians into thinking that it’s God’s timing and God’s hand at work, when in fact it’s Satan’s timing, and Satan’s hand at work.
Occult Teachings:
Title: Jonathan Cahn on TBN: God of all Nations
Why would a Christian like Jonathan Cahn appear on the Vatican’s television channel called TBN?
God is not God of all nations, he is not God of this world. Satan is god of this world.
2 Corinthians 4:4 “In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”
Satan is the prince of this world:
John 12:31 “Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.”
We read that Satan influences the unsaved people of this world, he influences unbeliever’s hopes, dreams, ideals and opinions etc.
Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
So then who is the God of all nations? None other than Satan of course.
2 Kings 17:29 “Howbeit every nation made gods of their own, and put them in the houses of the high places which the Samaritans had made, every nation in their cities wherein they dwelt.”
For Jonathan Cahn who claims to be a Christian to not know who the god of this world is, is shocking to say the least. His god is Satan, and his god is ruling this world.
FALSE TEACHING FROM JONATHAN CAHN
I have chosen below a couple of videos from this list on Cahn’s website and found the corresponding video on Youtube where Jonathan teaches occult teachings:
Title: The Alpha Light
So who is this Alpha light Jonathan Cahn is speaking about? The Bible says about God, “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.” (Revelation 22:13) It does not say I am the Alpha light. Cahn also says “From the beginning of creation to the incarnation and the resurrection, it all begins with light” This is a lie, it all began with the Word. The bible says,
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” (John 1:1)
Alpha is the first letter of the Greek alphabet. Omega is the last letter of the Greek alphabet. In modern usage it would mean “from A to Z”. By combining the two, Alpha and Omega it signifies completeness. In reference to Jesus Christ it signifies His completeness and demonstrates Him to be the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Jesus is complete. He was with God in the beginning and He will be with God in the end. Jesus is the beginning and the ending.
Who then is this Alpha light who was at the beginning according to Jonathan Cahn. The bible refers to Satan as being an “angel of light” in 2 Corinthians 11:14-15. Lucifer is a Latin word that means “light bearer”. It comes from the translation of Isaiah 14:12 where Satan is called (hay-lale’) in hebrew meaning “the morning-star” (in the sense of brightness) and it’s root word means “to shine”. So as we can see Satan is seen as someone who gives light. Satan tried to usurp God’s throne, the bible says:
Isaiah 14:13-14 “13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.”
Now we can see why Satan in Luciferianism refers to himself as the Alpha light because he is still trying to be higher than God. Jonathan Cahn says, “Learn the secret of using the Alpha Light in every circumstance to change everything”. What he is saying is this, learn to use Satan the Alpha light, instead of Jesus Christ – the way, the truth and the life.
Let’s hear what Freemasons have to say:
LUCIFER PRAISED AS THE LIGHT-BEARER OF FREEMASONRY
“Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls? Doubt it not!” [Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, p. 321, 19th Degree of Grand Pontiff; Red Emphasis added]
What a revelation! From the first degree, the first Initiation, the Mason is urged mightily to “seek the Light“! The average Mason is continually saying that he is “seeking the Light”, and will spend his entire life “moving toward the Light”. Almost every person in Western Civilization will assume that this “Light” is the revelation of the God of the Bible; indeed, this statement is held up continuously to try to convince us that Masonry is Christian. Yet, here, Albert Pike is saying that Lucifer is the One who bears the Light of Freemasonry! Lucifer is the Light-bearer of Freemasonry —http://www.cuttingedge.org/free11.html
Title: The State of Onement
A state on onement? Jonathan Cahn says: “…the bible itself is about becoming one with God. Most believers never enter it, but you can” This is clearly a higher level of spirituality of some kind, because until now only some Christians have attained it. Jonathan Cahn will give you the secret on how you can enter into a state of becoming one with God. Occultists like to take the word “atonement” and break it down to another word “at-one-ment”.A truly born again child of God does not need to become “at-one-ment” or figure out how to find the “state of onement” with God because Jesus said,
John 14:20 “In that day [His resurrection] you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you.”
When you come born again, He made us one with Himself, His (our) Father and the Holy Spirit. You don’t have to figure out how to become at-one with God and neither do you become a god because of this.
New Agers believe that “you are not separate from God; every person is born a piece of God.” In order to be “at-one-ment” with God you need to meditate and believe that God is in everyone and everything including yourself. A “state of oneness” means that you need to find the Christ within, and become a God.
Jonathan Cahn teaches that he will give you the keys on how to enter in becoming one with God after you are saved – those who teach that people need to become one with God are proclaiming another Gospel, another Jesus and another spirit.
Please read this article that explains more about At-one-ment or Oneness theory: Guilt by Association
Conclusion
Jonathan Cahn is a Freemason leading million of Christians astray with his new revelations, keys and mysteries. He appears on every false teachers TV show and tickles peoples ears with this false teachings. People need to ignore this man and his teachings. We are living in the last of the last days and I believe there are going to be more men like Jonathan Cahn (possibly from a messianic stand point) coming to the forefront however they will be even more charismatic and even more deceiving, so much so that if it were possible even the Elect would be deceived. Please note, he does not believe in the Rapture and believes Christians are going to go through the Tribulation.
Matthew 24:24 “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.”
Please read all comments below (I know there are a lot) as Jonathan Cahn is exposed even more.
wow…. eyes opened big time!!!! THANK YOU for taking the time to write all this! I always held a “leeriness” in my spirit about Cahn, didn’t totally understand why! Now I do.
Back to that “lonely path” (article you wrote) …. why is it only a very small number of Christians are aware of these things? All other Christians I know just “eat this stuff up”!! And act like you’re the paranoid fool if you don’t get on the bandwagon with them! (hypothetical question)
That alpha light business = “scary stuff”!!!
RJ
>> why is it only a very small number of Christians are aware of these things? All other Christians I know just “eat this stuff up”!!
Just a note: Tom wrote the article 🙂
The bible will answer this question, “Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.” (Matthew 7:14)
There is only a very small amount of born again believers walking that narrow path, the rest choose the world and Satan – they think by calling themselves Christian it will make them a Christian in God’s eyes, but He says, “So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.” (Revelation 3:16)
I looked for a byline to see which of you wrote it (to give proper credit due) — didn’t see one. You’re both excellent writers and mostly it’s noted & appreciated that you’re good Bereans of the Word!
This will be a need to “re-read” as some of this stuff is just well….. like I say, “eye popping”.
Thanks RJ!!
I don’t ascribe to a pre trib rapture but I do know that Cahn is not to be followed!~
beautiful comments. totally do agree. .
I think you did a poor job of verifying a lot of your accusations.
For Example, what evidence do you have that Cahn is a freemason. Zero,
Nada, no e yet by our try to destroy his character by repeating that and twisting a lot of what he has shared to fit your accusations.
I don’t think I have ever heard him say the America is a “replacement” or substitute for the nation of Israel, on The contrary, we are more of a reflection of the nation of Israel. Which doesn’t diminish Israel’s role in these last days which we arenin, you seem to doubt that with some of your conjectures.
A bad expose for many reasons. You have an ax to grind with Cahn, and I’m not sure why. Judgement is coming against out sin and depravity,
Whether we like it or not……
Time will bear out the truth of what he has been saying and my spirit does not feel the need to condemn him for anything I have heard him say or do at this point.
David wrote,
Don’t worry, you don’t need to believe in a pre-trib rapture. You will be scooped up anyway if you are saved. Hopefully you won’t protest when it happens.
I’ve been warning folks about the falseness of this guy with pretty much just my own discernment, good to have some more research on him. Why, oh why do sooo many have itchy ears?? I know the times!! ~Lord, please draw folks back to yourself, the the good ol’ gospel of Jesus~ Maranatha
I would just like to make a comment about Hebrew Roots or the Messianic Movement. My husband and I were in the Christian church for over 30 years and Yahweh called us out of the church. At the time we couldn’t understand why, but over the past 10 years He has led us into His Torah. The Torah was Yahwehs instruction for man to live by. Yahshua (His Son) had to come to bring Salvation to man, but Yahshua in NO WAY did away with Torah. He kept it right up until His last supper with the disciples which was Passover, and He said He would not participate in this cup until He comes again…which means He will keep Torah on His return. The Christian church was established by pagans and founded on pagan doctrines. Don’t take my word for it, but search it out for yourself. When the Word says Yahshua came to fulfil the Torah does not mean He nailed it to the cross, but He fulfilled it and lived by it and then gave His life so that we could not only abide by Yahwehs Torah, but we could do so in the fulfilment of our Salvation through His Son Yahshua. We are to keep every Feast for Ever…these are Yahwehs Feasts not Jewish Feasts. The Sabbath is on the seventh day of the week being Saturday and not on Sunday as the pagans wanted it as a day for sun worship!! I am also sceptical of Jonathan Cahn, but really spend time in prayer about what the Father is doing in these last days with regards to the Messianic Movement. We are actually part of the 10 lost tribes of Israel whom Yahshua come back for the first time and will do so on the second coming as well. Read in Matthew where is says those not abiding in the Torah (law) will be cast into everlasting darkness.
Vanessa, are you a Seventh Day Adventist?
WOW! Back to the books! I had only came across Jonathan Cahn and his teaching in the past few months. I have yet hear him to refer to these other resources……….RETHINKING and discerning. Thanks for the expose.
II Thessalonians 2:6-12 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. KJV
Why ignore Johnathan Cahn’s Revelation? WAIT… wait & see if it comes to pass. It may be from The Lord! This article is divisive & liberally slings slander… The TRUTH will come out in time! WAIT TO SEE!
I think this is very well written but I am concerned because I have seen him give the Gospel. I have seen him share his testimony as one who was an atheist. I don’t see him preaching anything about salvation other than Christ for forgiveness. What I do see is a rich teaching of the old Hebrew Customs, not as any part of being saved but in order to experience things in a way that Christians have never thought of. I mean, baptism, he believes in baptism as an outward sign of inward faith. I guess I am very confused as his message of Grace by Faith has spread where many would not have bothered in the past. His putting the USA in parallel with Israel is nothing short of uncanny. I am watching the At One Ment portion and I didn’t see anything wrong with what he said..he says we have to give God the very worst, all of it, we have to be willing to atone..not the good things but the very worst things.. You cannot deny the facts as he explains them. Now, if you are saying his revelations regarding judgement on the USA for denying our Christian foundation, and turning away from God are from Satan, I will have to scratch my head..it doesn’t seem as if that would be possible because he hasn’t twisted anything, he has put things out there in a very literal way..I guess I will keep on looking into this.you do have me wondering..
tyree bruce
Jonathan Cahn is into Hebrew mysticism and the Kabbalah. The Jesus of the Bible is not a mystical Jesus (John 18:20). Cahn’s Jesus is not the Jesus of the Bible (2 Corinthians 11:4).
Please read this article here.
catpat
I think we should rather focus on God’s own Revelation (the last book in the Bible) than on Jonathan Cahn’s so-called revelation.
Please read here and here.
catpat wrote:
I totally agree, I have watched Jonathon Cahn several times, and as a Christian , I think he is a very brilliant man, that knows a lot about Jewish history and I do believe he has been sent by God to write the Harbinger !!! NO MAN COULD HAVE PUT ALL THAT TOGETHER WITHOUT GODS HELP !!!!
david Hornstein
>> A bad expose for many reasons. You have an ax to grind with Cahn, and I’m not sure why. Judgement is coming against out sin and depravity,
You are the type of person who you can show the truth so that it jumps out and bites you and you will ignore it through and through. If you don’t want to see the truth, then follow Jonatha Cahn’s Alpha light ok and while you are at it you can try get into a state of oneness with God, ok? Good. now move on please and let people who care about the gospel of Jesus Christ pay attention to the truth.
Vanessa
>> We are actually part of the 10 lost tribes of Israel whom Yahshua come back for the first time and will do so on the second coming as well.
How do you know this? Are you just guessing or are you really Jewish? Because that is what it means to be part of the 10 tribes, it means you are actually Jewish.
catpat
>> WAIT… wait & see if it comes to pass.
My goodness did you not read the article? I said in the article, “If anything happens during The Shemitah (September 2015), it’s not because of God and a connection to Isaiah 9:10, it’s because the Freemasons who control this world are pushing the buttons and they are making things happen (in cycles of 7 as it’s a ‘magic’ number) for their own purposes to further the progress of a New World Order.”
So let’s repeat that: Satan will make it come to pass because it’s his timing and his hand at work. Not God. So if something happens in September you can not say it’s God and you can not say Jonathan Cahn is now a prophet of God either.
Do you understand now? Please tell me you understand.
Dear tytee bruce
>> have seen him give the Gospel.
Yes I have also seen him preach the a version of the gospel that sounds pretty ok and then I have seen him tell HUGE satanic lies for eg, the Alpha light and State of oneness. Tell me, did the disciples, apostles and Jesus for that matter preach the truth and then preach satanic lies? No they did not, they preached the truth 100% of the time.
That’s the catch Tytee, false teachers will preach the truth to a certain extent and then add in their false teaching – it’s called entrapment! He preaches the truth to hook people and because of this lures people into the dangers he will preach another time.
>> it doesn’t seem as if that would be possible because he hasn’t twisted anything,
You kidding right? Did you not read the Alpha light and state of oneness at the bottom of the article? If that is not scripture twisting then I give up.
Loyd
Yes please go and review Jonathan Cahn under the microscope and you will get a shock. There are actually hundreds of other teachings from this list on Jonathan Cahn’s website
Kim
Jonathan Cahn is VERY VERY clever, so clever that he is catching you out and you because you don’t want to go and investigate further are going to be caught out.
Thanks for the comment Betsy Jo 🙂
Seems to me this guy has many things askewed. Lucifer existed with God our Creator in the Heavens before the Earth & many things. Lucifer was a very high angel, I believe an archangel. He WAS obediant to God, but then became disobedient (self-righteous). I believe he was called the angel of light, a lot of responsibility there. God’s Word in Genisis often states ‘we’ or ‘let us’ in the creation, so perhaps he was the light guy (LOL), but at some point he got others to side with him & so God kicked him out, and about a third of others went with him worshipping him instead of God. So, be careful in reading the Book. You better know the right translation from Hebrew and old Greek, Latin, etc, & the small light from the higher case Light in reference to Lucifer or Jesus… and that goes for small g or higher case in god or God, because indeed, Lucifer is NEVER God, and God is over everything including this world. Yes, Lucifer is call the prince of darkness in this world, where Jesus is the Prince of Peace in this world. I don’t have time to correct ALL your misunderstandings & twistings, but if you look carefully at the Freemasons, you will also learn when they refer to him of small light & He of the Greater LIGHT OF THE WORLD.
First impression to less informed might be that you are quite educated, but you have plenty to learn. I pray you get set ‘straight’.
Hanya
>> God’s Word in Genisis often states ‘we’ or ‘let us’ in the creation, so perhaps he was the light guy (LOL),
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”
The ‘us’ or ‘we’ or ‘let us’ in Genesis refers the other part of the Trinity that being JESUS CHRIST and THE HOLY SPIRIT not Satan.
>> and God is over everything including this world.
Satan is god of this world However God is in control of this world and gives Satan free reign to do whatever he wants up to a point.
When Jesus was being tempted, the following happened:
Matthew 4:8 “Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Satan was made god of this world by mankind, read:
Luke 4:6 “And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.”
Satan is god of this world, so much so that he could offer Jesus all the kingdoms of the world if Jesus bowed down and worshiped him. The same applies to mankind, Satan is god of this world and if you bow down and worship him he will give you this world and all it’s riches because it’s his to give.
And because of this John says that “the whole world lieth in wickedness” (1 Jn. 5:19) because
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
>> First impression to less informed might be that you are quite educated, but you have plenty to learn. I pray you get set ‘straight’.
Yes I pray you can one day distinguish between Satan and Jesus Christ.
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Just a note: It’s even getting so bad that not only is Jonathan Cahn seen as a prophet but people are now saying he is ONE OF THE TWO END TIME WITNESSES FROM REVELATION 11!!!
What a lie. People please do not believe this stuff.
Dear Discerning Deborah ~ The Most High God is surely able to bring judgement on this earth according to Isaiah 9:10, as Cahn has claimed… Will He? According to scripture judgement comes to God’s people to edify & correct… Is He bringing it on a backsliding nation that ignores The God it has claimed from it’s founding, according to what Cahn says The Lord showed him? Don’t know… I say ~ WAIT ~ & while we wait ~ REPENT ~ Peace to you
Well, we will see come this late summer/fall whether he heard God or made it up.
catput and Justin
I have a feeling that something is going to happen in Sept because there is too much hype about it. But it’s not God’s timing and it’s not His hand. It’s all freemason planned.
I am going to pray about what you’ve said here. I did consider Mr. Cahn a prophet. I don’t believe that prophets are for only the last days. Just because the Bible says that men and women will prophesy in the last days does not preclude them doing so before the last days. Even still, as you yourself acknowledge we are in the last of the last days, he could be a prophet of God. He could be Luciferian. Unfortunately, I can see both sides of the coin, which is especially troubling. How easy it is for even those who read scripture, pray and even fast to be deceived! Lord, have mercy! The Bible does not support a pre-tribulation rapture. In Revelation, we are shown the tribulation and then it says and THEN Jesus will return. So, it is tribulation, Jesus’s return for his believers, and then the wrath of God poured out on the unbelievers who are left. We are not getting out of the tribulation. The Bible is clear about this. If fact, Jesus tells believers that we will suffer and be persecuted and hated and that following him will bring us great troubles. We follow him anyway out of obedience. The disciples were martyred for their belief. Christians have been persecuted throughout history (by even “Christians” in the form of Catholics….i.e., the Crusades). Why should the last days be any different? Even now, Christians are being persecuted around the world by muslims and even “peace-loving” hindus. Why would we escape the tribulation? As God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow, why would He all of a sudden decide that end times Christians should be spared if he never spared them before? Are you confusing tribulation with God’s wrath poured out? These are two different events. Please revisit Revelation and see the truth. Tribulation is satan’s wrath poured out on believers and the great and terrible day of the Lord is God’s wrath poured out on unbelievers. Thank you for giving us all something to consider so that we can be discerning about what we believe and who we follow after. We must follow after Jesus and beware of false teachers. Sometimes, it seems easier just to remain in pray and read scripture rather than listen to Youtube videos and preachers. Probably safer to do that as well. Peace to you. In Christ.
Dear Natasha Lowery
‘those days and ‘the last days’ in these bible verses mean the tribulation.
Acts 2:17-18 “And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:” 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
(Joel 2:28)
We are not in the tribulation…yet.
>> The Bible does not support a pre-tribulation rapture. In Revelation, we are shown the tribulation and then it says and THEN Jesus will return.
Read all our articles on the Rapture here:
You confuse us being caught up in air with Jesus Christ second coming.
Natasha Lowery wrote,
Would you mind telling me what Jesus meant when He said the following?
To whom is He speaking?
The trouble of which Jesus speaks is his wrath which He is going to pour out on the entire world and not his Bride.
Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. (Revelation 3:10)
admit: I was too impatient to listen to the entire youtube er, uh “sermon” ~ but did get to the 2 minute point & heard him speak several times of the “at ONE ment”
Agree with you that this is an occultic new age term AND BELIEF!! While surfing, not purposely looking for, but came across this article at LightHouse Trails & with your hopeful permission, will post it here:
http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=5095 This is more on the “at ONE ment” which I never even heard of before reading your article here!
Real Christians let’s pray for each other! We’re in the battle zones!! I totally bottomed out (emotionally, spiritually, physically) over the last handful of days. I’m okay now, but I also realize every time I post something that the dark side (powers & principalities) sure like to come after me!
Spiritual armor ON!!! We’re on the front lines here!
You have made a significant number of ‘loose connections’ with selective statements from the texts, without recognizing that the premise of his writing in the ‘Harbinger’ are valid and evident in America. I question whether you have actually read ‘The Mystery of the Shemitah’ since the evidence stands up under scrutiny. It’s as if you have an axe to grind; I’m fortunate to have read, studied, and confirmed to my satisfaction the reality of these cyclic Judgments that are now clearly evident in America, as I am certain the many millions who have likewise read and studied the implications more carefully than you have would agree.
I reviewed both books on my blog with clear and compelling evidence that corroborates the reality of the 9 ‘Harbingers’ and the cyclic mystery that is ‘The Shemitah’. In the right panel search field on my blog linked- type the two keywords, and read the articles with author interview links that clearly show the validity of the Rabbi’s exegesis. If one has not read them (I’ve read both more than once- 4 & 2), that person had no validity according to the Bible- (check Proverbs). ‘zionsgate.wordpress.com’
ps… Do you call your biological Father- Father?… then why are you splitting hairs when clearly we all call our fathers father, our school teachers- teachers, and Rabbinical scholars- Rabbis. Sad… really.
Santos
>> I’m fortunate to have read, studied, and confirmed to my satisfaction the reality of these cyclic Judgments that are now clearly evident in America
Have you read, studied and confirmed what the bible has to say?
Clearly not because you are happy to call Jonathan Cahn a Rabbi after the BIBLE (God’s Word to you) tells you that you are not too.
You also dismiss his teachings on the Alpha light and State of Onement which are occult teachings.
I am sorry but I can’t take your ‘studies’ of The Mystery of the Shemitah seriously if you can’t and don’t want to understand what false teaching is when it’s presented to you on a silver platter. Now that is sad.
Is Jonathan Cahn pro Roman Catholic?
St Peters church is a Roman Catholic church that was saved from the blast because of the Sycamore tree. Cahn points out a connection, that it was the place where the government prayed back in 1789 and dedicated America to God. Wow, they prayed in a Roman Catholic church dedicated America to God in a Roman Catholic church. Really? Then God saved a Roman Catholic church to be used as a sign? I think not.
Thank you.
RJ wrote:
THANK YOU RJ FOR THIS 🙂
Thank you for commenting Bren!
NEWSFLASH: Mormons, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, …ARE Christians!! Most people are aware of that fact.
Animalaura
NEWSFLASH: Mormons, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, …ARE NOT Christians!! EVERYONE that is born again is aware of that fact.
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
That through this post, mormons would find a way to “pop up” amazes me. Mormons are not Christians even though they delude themselves they are. There is no mention of a new gospel, re John Smith’s Book of Mormon. On the contrary, Galatians 1 warns explicitly against such falsehood. Simple as A B C.
As far as Jonathan Cahn is concerned, I choose to watch and pray.
The emphasis on the Jewish elements does make me skeptical.
“For I have resolved to know nothing else among you than Jesus Christ, and Him Crucified.” 1st Corinthians 2:2
By Grace ALONE.
I started reading the book and got a red light immediately. Started getting sick to my stomach. It’s called discernment!
Hello. I don’t know if my comment will post but I will try for truths sake. This Jonathan Cahn guy is a liar because he is a false prophet. All these people who believe they have connections to king David are false. If people would read the bible they will see that the true Jews are in the land of captivity not in Israel. Those that are in Israel are imposter called Kaysars just like this guy. The real jews are people of color. Brown people (so called blacks). We identify the people by the curses not the blessings. People read the bible. The last day prophecies surround the True Jews which Jonathan Cahn is clearly not. This is a lie to keep the truth hidden. Just wanted to clarify things. He is not a Jew, rabbi, or anything. If he doesn’t repent he will perish like the rest of these liars.
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
This is proving you are not getting your facts straight. It says right above that it was St. Paul’s Chapel and you changed it to St. Peters Roman Catholic. St. Paul’s is Episcopalian… I agree the spirit of anti-Christ is working through the Vatican and the RCC, and I don’t know much about Episcopalian, but if you want credibility for your statements you must get your facts straight. It seem you spend a lot of time slamming your fellow brothers and sisters in the faith, we are all just seeking the Truth here…praying for discernment. These are confusing times!
Dinah,
And you should agree that Christians often do make mistakes.
Dinah
I made a mistake. Sorry about that.
Let’s look at St Paul’s Chapel designed by Freemasons, for Freemasons to worship a false God. Triangle roof with pillars – even has the checkered black and white tiled floor in the front of the church – this church is a Freemason lodge in disguise.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Paul%27s_Chapel
https://www.trinitywallstreet.org/about/stpaulschapel
It might not be Roman Catholic, it might be Episcopalian with Anglican roots – but it’s certainly not Christian 🙂
Dinah
Seeing as though when I tell something you think I am lying, (my only mistake was saying St Peter instead of St Paul) let’s look at what others say on the matter. Maybe you will believe them instead. Maybe you will believe wikipedia? Who knows.
What is Episcopalian? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Episcopal_Church_(United_States)
“The Episcopal Church (TEC), less commonly known by its other official title, the Protestant Episcopal Church in the United States of America[2] (PECUSA[3][4] or ECUSA[5][6][7]), is the United States-based member church of the worldwide Anglican Communion.”…
“The Episcopal Church describes itself as being Reformed and “Protestant, Yet Catholic”.[8] …”
“Until 1964, the only official name in use was “The Protestant Episcopal Church in the United States of America”. In the 19th century, High Church members advocated changing the name, which they felt did not acknowledge the church’s Catholic heritage.”…
“In 1976, the General Convention adopted a new prayer book, which was a substantial revision and modernization of the previous 1928 edition. It incorporated many principles of the Roman Catholic Church’s liturgical movement, which had been discussed at Vatican II.”…
“Varying styles and degrees of liturgical practice prevail within the church, including: traditional hymns and anthems, more modern religious music, Anglican chant, liturgical dance, charismatic prayer, and vested clergy. As varied as services can be, the central binding aspect is the Book of Common Prayer or supplemental liturgies. Most Episcopal services are similar in structure and liturgy to the Roman Catholic Church, as the Eucharist is the central focus of the service (often called mass), though Protestant theology in the Book of Common Prayer distinguishes Episcopal services from Roman Catholic ones.”…
The list goes on.
So I ask again…Is Jonathan Cahn pro Roman Catholic?
JEREMIAH wrote:
Please be careful not to speak for other churches that are not of your congregation … not for my benefit, but out of principle, to not jump to conclusions without first studying it out and taking the matter to the Lord. I am a mormon, as some choose to call it, and I love Jesus Christ more than I can adequately express. I love the Bible, I feel the Spirit often when I read it, and know it to be the word of God. I also love the scriptural record of the descendents of Joseph (of Egypt) … which are known to the world today at The Book of Mormon or “stick of Ephraim”. You mentioned in your comment that there is no reference for such a record or gospel in the Bible … but I invite all to prayerfully read the following 2 passages:
Ezekiel 37:15-23
15 ¶The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
18 ¶And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
20 ¶And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and willcleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
**In this, we receive insight that two copies of their history were to be maintained throughout the generations of Judah and Ephraim respectively. The copy that was maintained and added upon by the tribe of Judah (the Jews) was eventually compiled and brought forth to the world as the Holy Bible. The other copy that was to be maintained by the generations of Ephraim … to eventually serve as another testament of Jesus Christ and mark the gathering of Christ’s covenant followers … was compiled and brought forth as The Book of Mormon (named after one of their civilization’s last prophet-historians who abridged the massive record). The “stick of Ephraim” mentioned in Ezekiel, came into the possession of one of his descendants, Lehi, around the time of Jeremiah’s ministry. Prior to destroying Jerusalem in the the 6th century BC, the Lord led Lehi’s family (with the records) out of the land and eventually to occupy the continents of North and South America (the ancient ancestors of our Native Americans). As commanded and prophesied in the book of Ezekiel, these two books (or sticks) are today joined in one to testify to the world that Jesus is the Christ, the very Son of God …”that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.” (Matt 18:16)
One other scripture I would invite the readers to prayerfully consider …
John 10:15-16
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
***Here, Jesus Christ himself hints to the people that He knows of and must proceed to gather other “sheep” that are not of that fold in the Holy Land, but are elsewhere in the world. This is also consistent with the before mentioned prophecy, wherein he says “I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and I will gather them on every side”. When Christ speaks of “sheep”, He refers to covenant people of the Lord who follow him (see the parable of the sheep and goats in Matthew 25). But as is the case and design of Christ’s parables, not everyone understood what He meant by His statement.
I realize people may scoff at this explanation, but I have spoken the truth and leave it for the reader to consider … not to take my word for it, heaven forbid, but to ask God for themselves. That’s the beautiful and sacred thing about prayer, to whomever is sincere, God will answer them plainly with distinct feelings and thoughts (James 1:5)
One final note … I have studied and pondered The Book of Mormon dozens of times and I can honestly say it has enriched my love for the Bible. In areas where the Bible has had confusion (from translation errors or otherwise), the same teaching was clarified to another nation in such a way to adequately cover that teaching and confirm the truth. I testify that God is good, He sees the end from the beginning, and will always prepare a way for those who faithfully follow Him, and that it only through the mercies and merits of Jesus Christ that we are saved, after all we can give and do. Amen.
Thank you for your time. Good day.
bradly wrote,
We are commanded to test all things. If whatever you believe does not harmonize with the Word of God we must reject it. And that’s precisely why Deborah said that Mormonism is not Christian and I agree with her.
Ezekiel 37:15-23 has nothing to do with writing books – neither the Bible nor the book of Mormon. The prophet simply wrote the name “Judah” on one stick and the names “Ephraim and Joseph” on the other. Your assertion that the one is the Bible in the other the Book of Mormon completely ignores the clear interpretation in verses 18 to 28. After King Solomon’s death the nation was split into two in 931 BC. Judah was the Southern Kingdom. Israel was the Northern Kingdom, sometimes called Ephraim (Hosea 5:3, 5, 11–14). The uniting of the sticks is simply an allegory of God’s intention to restore and unite his people in the Land of Israel as a single nation at the Second Coming of Christ. (Hosea 1:11).
You say you love Jesus. What Jesus are you talking about? There are many false Jesuses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8ars0m4o5c
Thank you for your comments, Tom. I apologize if it seemed I ignored those later verses. Those are also very relevant, both for that ancient time and as a type or shadow of our day in age … even this special era of gathering, leading up to the time when the greatest of all, the prince of David (Jesus Christ), will return to the earth as lord of lords and king of kings. And oh what a day! When, as he says in verse 26, “I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.” I long for that great millennial day, as I’m sure you do.
So, I didn’t ignore them … it was simply a deeper conversation than I thought would be tolerated in this particular instance. But I would love to discuss it more, if you are interested.
To answer your question … I speak of Jesus of Nazareth who was born of Mary and consecrated for the holiest of missions. I speak reverently of this my Savior, who atoned for my sins and yours in the Garden of Gethsemane … he who came unto His own people as Messiah, and yet was rejected, mocked, scourged and crucified. I speak of Him, “the firstfruits of them that slept”, who rose from the grave on that third day. He lives! And because He lives, so will we. And I cannot thank Him enough for it. I can only give Him my heart, my hands to serve, and my allegiance … even my all.
Thank you for the opportunity to share.
Tom, I realized I didn’t address the original concerns about the “sticks” … sorry about that.
Christian Bible scholars have explained it better than I can, so I’ll just reference them. To be perfectly honest, I don’t know much at all about Matthew Easton, A.R. Faussett, or William Smith … but it seemed better to reference them here, instead of an LDS resource that might come across as being biased.
All three mention these “sticks” or “cylinders” in relation to books or scrolls in former days.
Scroll in Easton’s Bible Dictionary
– Roll
The common form of ancient books. The Hebrew word rendered “roll” or “volume” is “meghillah”, found in Ezra 6:2; Ps. 40:7; Jer. 36:2, 6, 23, 28, 29; Ezek. 2:9; 3:1-3; Zech. 5:1, 2. “Rolls” (Chald. pl. of sephar, corresponding to Heb. sepher) in Ezra 6:1 is rendered in the Revised Version “archives.” In the New Testament the word “volume” (Heb. 10:7; R.V., “roll”) occurs as the rendering of the Greek kephalis, meaning the head or top of the stick or cylinder on which the manuscript was rolled, and hence the manuscript itself.
http://www.bible-history.com/eastons/R/Roll/
Scroll in Fausset’s Bible Dictionary
– Roll
Ancient writings were rolled round a cylinder or stick. Volume means so (Jeremiah 36:2; Psalm 40:7; compare Deuteronomy 31:26; Ezekiel 2:9-10, where the writing “within and without” was contrary to the usage of writing only on one side, implying the fullness of the prophecy of woe. The writing was in columns (delathot), literally, doors, on parchment or prepared skins.
http://www.bible-history.com/faussets/R/Roll/
Scroll in Smiths Bible Dictionary
-Roll
A book in ancient times consisted of a single long strip of paper or parchment, which was usually kept rolled upon a stick, and was unrolled when a person wished to read it. The roll was usually written on one side only, and hence the particular notice of one that was “written within and without.” Eze 2:10 The writing was arranged in columns.
http://www.bible-history.com/smiths/R/Roll/
Hopefully that helped.
Have a great weekend!
Other than his referencing the Zohar, I agree with nearly all of what Cahn says. His connection between the US and Israel is accurate. The Christian population of America is represented by Ephraim, one of the lost tribes. This is very clear is you study the Old Testament and the tribes. And the feasts are meant to be kept, as are the commandments. The Roman Church corrupted the faith with their pagan holidays, rituals, dogmas, Sunday worship, etc. And America will soon face judgment, just as he claims, the signs of this coming are everywhere. The only thing that I find interesting I also noticed the masonic and gestures he uses, which led me to this article. That’s a little worrying, I wonder what his true purpose is..
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
badly
Did you watch the video I posted?
bradly
Hopefully you can see that there is a vast difference between a roll (scroll) and a stick. The word for roll is “megillâh” pronounced meg-il-law’ and the word for stick is “‛êts,” pronounced ates. You are trying to read into Scripture which is not there and that’s dangerous. It is called deception.
Daniel,
You are a little worried about the masonic signs Jonathan Cahn makes but wholeheartedly believe that he is a prophet of God? How does that work for you? Masonic signs are from the devil and yet you believe he is a prophet of God who predicts things accurately? What is wrong with you?
I’m a third of the way through it … it’s a little lengthy. 🙂
With the various discussion items, already in the first 40 minutes or so, it would feel very narrow and unproductive to merely pick 1 or 2 to elaborate on. Also, some of the topics are very sacred in nature and probably shouldn’t be discussed loosely in an open forum.
Overall, it seems like they had good intentions in making the video. I am a little disappointed by some of the context/framing of a handful of the quotes, but I can see that did the best they could with the information they had.
Tom, you’ve been kind to interact with me. I am glad you are a god-fearing man, and I wish you the best.
I affirm to everyone once more that I believe in Jesus Christ. I know that He is our Redeemer and the only name under heaven by which we can be saved. I do not pretend to know that, I am certain.
bradly wrote,
In that case you cannot remain in the Mormon church. You must leave it. It is either Mormonism or Jesus Christ. You cannot have both. Jesus said,
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. (John 10:1-5)
HinTom and Deb
Thanks for posting this discission. I have a few friends swallowing this hook line and sinker, but won’t read the Word to see different.
Regarding pre-trib as i see some of the posts, if i may address that part a bit more clearly.
Rev 12 speaks of a man-child – not Jesus, but those born from a woman, the Body of Christ on Earth (hate saying “the Church “cuz some think it as RC), anyway the man-child was taken up right after birth.
As well the woman who gave birth (not Mary) fled into the wilderness for 3.5 (times) where God has prepared a place for her and then wasnt seen after that but her seed was mentioned that the serpant was wroth with.
That seed are those who i believed got saved or reminant of the Church left behind.
To say all Christians will be raptured isnt biblical too. Story of the 10 virgins, 5 wise, 5 foolish dispells that notion.
Should be Hi Tom and Deb…dang ipad autocorrect
How do you change the avitar? Dont like mine as looking angry :-b.
Bradly, if it helps my wife was a past Mormon and renounced and remover her name from their book of life – so she was serious about following Jesus.
The verse that set her free was the 3rd from last verse of the Bible
Rev 22:19 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
I would say Bradly is dig deeper into the Mormon teachings. They preach Jesus and Lucifer were brothers; we are becoming gods; baptize for the dead which ends up taking away man’s free will. Think of it, baptize for Hitler? Plus they deny the gifts of the Holy Spirit are not for today, but have ceased with the Apostles.
Hi Tom-the other one
The church (all true believers) are never referred to as “a man child.” She is always referred to as the “Bride of Christ” or a “chaste virgin.” Revelation 12 clearly identifies the “man child” for us in these words, “And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. (Revelation 12:5). This clearly proves that the “man child” is Jesus Christ. In fact “who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron” is a quote from Psalm 2 which, you must agree, is a Messianic Psalm. “Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.” (Psalm 2:8-9). I’m sure you will agree that this section of the Psalm refers to the literal thousand years reign of Jesus Christ on the earth when He is going to ascend his father, David’s throne to rule the nations. (Luke 1:30-33).
You are right in saying the woman in Revelation 12 is not Mary and neither is she the church. She is Israel. If the man child is Jesus Christ as we’ve seen from Psalm 2, then the church (Bride of Christ) cannot possibly be the woman because the Body of Christ (all the believers) could never have brought forth Christ Jesus, the man child. The church came forth from the man child and not the other way around. Indeed, Jesus Himself said “salvation is of the Jews.” (John 4:22). There are many other proofs that the woman in Revelation 12 is Israel which I can’t go into right now.
The five wise and five foolish virgins have nothing to do with the Rapture. At the Rapture the Bride of Christ is caught up to meet the Lord in the air so as to be with Him for evermore. Matthew 25 follows Matthew 24 chronologically which Jesus described as the Great Tribulation. The five wise and five foolish virgins refer to believing Jews (who had enough oil and will be prepared to meet their King Messiah at his Second Coming right at the end of the Tribulation) and unbelieving Jews (who did not have oil and therefore will not be prepared) respectively.
The Bride of Christ is one body and cannot be separated so that one part is raptured and another part is not. The entire Body of Christ (Bride of Christ) will be raptured. You cannot divide the Bride of Christ and have one part standing next to the Bride in heaven when their wedding is consummated and the rest still on earth being battered, persecuted and murdered on earth. Imagine Jesus saying to his Father, “Father, let us rejoice. Here is a part of my Bride. The rest are still on earth waiting to be raptured. I’m sorry but I could not rapture the entire Body of believers.”
http://www.yahweh.house/left-behind-secret-rapture/
Yeremyah,
The following was taken from the Berean Call with whom I agree.
You are using the same old argumenmts the anti Pre-Trib protagonists have been using along and they have been been proven to be false aggain and again.
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anon
>> If people would read the bible they will see that the true Jews are in the land of captivity not in Israel.
where is this land of captivity? Africa? Ethiopia?
You kidding right?
Only one thing I found corrupt in this post.
You cited from Isaiah 14:12, and you stated “where Satan is called הֵילֵל heylel (hay-lale’) in hebrew meaning “the morning-star” (in the sense of brightness) and it’s root word means “to shine”. So as we can see Satan is seen as someone who gives light.”
First that verse does not include the word “heylel” don’t change the word of Christ. No need to say what the hebrew meaning is when the meaning is already there. You must be using the NIV version because it says “How you have fallen from heaven, MORNING STAR, son of the dawn! You have been
cast down to the earth,”
If you refer to both the NIV and the KJV. in Rev 22:16. “16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and MORNING STAR.”
What you just stated in Iseiah 14:12 from the NIV is the one that fell from Heaven was Jesus and not Lucifer. If you look in Isaiah 14:12 from within the KJV. It states “12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!” TOTALY DIFFERENT.
Here Lucifer is defined clearly, and not mistaken with Jesus. There are many different version of bibles out there, why do you think that is, why would you ever need such a big variety. The devil has always tried corrupting the word of Christ, this is one example. I’m not disagreeing with most of what you said concerning Jonathan Cahn, just be careful and pray for you have also been deceived by the devil! Don’t concentrate so heavenly in disproving people, that Is not your job as a believer. Instead get your faith and salvation straight first, and place your efforts on saving others.
Thank you Jesus for being my way to salvation! wrote:
Like you, we also thank Jesus for our salvation which mneans that, like you, we already have our faith and salvation straight. Disproving people when they twist Scripture IS our job because we are commandeded to test all things and to warn others.
So, now you’ve learned something. Go and do it.
Thank you Jesus for being my way to salvation! wrpte:
The word הֵילֵל heylel (hay-lale’) is used in both the NIV and KJV for Lucifer. The word “shachar” means “Morning star” or “day star.” Who is wrong now and chanigng (corrupting) the Word of Christ?
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Thank you Jesus for being my way to salvation!
Isaiah 14:12 KJV
12 How art thou fallen H5307 from heaven H8064, O Lucifer H1966, son H1121 of the morning H7837 H3213! how art thou cut down H1438 to the ground H776, which didst weaken H2522 the nations H1471
H1966 (Mickelson’s Enhanced Strong’s Greek and Hebrew Dictionaries)
H1966 הֵילֵל heylel (hay-lale’) n-m.
1. the morning-star
[from H1984 (in the sense of brightness)]
KJV: lucifer.
Root(s): H1984
H1984 הָלַל halal (haw-lal’) v.
2. to shine
I would say that if you believe in the rapture when the Bible says “EVERY eye will see Him (when He returns)” and “The dead in Christ will rise FIRST”, then YOU are deceived and leading others astray. (If you have an open mind to the truth, then this comment will remain.)
Daniel was protected IN the Lion’s den, he was not raptured away from it.
Daniel’s friends were protected IN the furnace, they were not raptured away from it.
Jesus endured the cross and said “If they persecuted me, they WILL persecute you ALSO”. Why would God rapture us from trials and not His beloved Son from trials?
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Bart
Are you a Calvinist?
>> Daniel was protected IN the Lion’s den, he was not raptured away from it. Daniel’s friends were protected IN the furnace, they were not raptured away from it.
Becausseeeeee….that was not the rapture, The rapture is where God protects the whole worlds Christians from the HOUR OF TEMPTATION.
>> Why would God rapture us from trials and not His beloved Son from trials?
You kidding right? When you die will it be for the sins of the world? What belief do you follow because you sure don’t sound like a born again Christian??
>> Jesuits…
This nonsense is getting really old, like so last season, can’t you come up with something new?
Here is a question for you, you want God to protect you on earth during the tribulation, but you don’t want Him to take you way from earth before the tribulation starts? Or wait a second…don’t you want God to protect you during the tribulation? Am I missing something here?
Bart Sibrel,
You are deceived to think God is going to protect you in the tribulation. God Himself says:
So God is telling you pointblank that He is not going to protect you should you go through the tribulation. Antichrist is going to cut off your head. What kind of protection is that?
Messianic Jews are of a different order than Christians. Apostle Paul was a Israelite from the tribe of Benjamin, he was not a messianic Jew. Without the understanding of Jew and Gentile one will never understand the Bible. Gentile means “Nation” Gentiles mean “Nations”.
Abraham seed became many “Gentiles”, NO! they became many “Nations” Gen 17:5b, for a father of many “nations” have I made thee. H#1471. gowy, go’ee;— Hey someone got it backward here, the jews say that everyone else are Go’ee.
The understanding of Jew and Israel is the most critical part of the Bible, or else you will think that Jesus is or was a Jew.
Jesus was an Israelite from the tribes of Judah and Levi, both the King and Priest, tribes. Leviticus by His mother physical seed and Priestly by his step Father legal marriage to His mother.
On the other hand today’s Jews have no DNA back to ancient Israel. None whatsoever! They are traced back to the Khazar’s of the 7th century AD, but that’s the end of their lineage.
The jews that Jesus Christ opposed were of the Canaanites and Esau, which are not nor never were, Israelite’s
Christians following Jonathan Cahn is indeed a sad bunch..
HJ Ross wrote:
Rubbish! Was Jesus Christ lying when He said “. . . salvation is of the Jews.” (John 4:22)
You wrote:
The following comes from TBC (The Berean Call)
Your argument is old hat and becoming rather monotonous. It is sickening.
Hello I don’t post in these forums hardly ever. I’m more of a salvation guy verses theology. I must agree Jonathan Can and a host of other TV evangelist are pushing false doctrines. I’m not here to argue just share what I’ve uncovered since troubling times are upon us. I have done some research and agree secret societies (free masons, skull and bones, etc..)are behind all of what is occurring today spiritually. I was heart broken to find out Billy Graham was a 33rd degree mason. I grew up in a Baptist Church here in Md. It is my understanding that at that degree they Identify the Luciferan agenda. I’ve seen Binny Hinn and Joyce Meyers in person. I’ve watched John Hagee and thought man he is good. So I did a little test and viewed Jentezen Franklin on TV the other day and of course he was wanting money for something he was building and I must have counted 20+ free mason hand gestures. Then I think of Matt 7:13 the path is narrow and hard to follow and few will find it………THEN just recently I see Glenn Beck wearing a “seeing eye t-shirt” and come to find out he’s a member of skull and bones (The Bush’s favorite one) (Don’t believe me google it). There is so many sheep in wolves clothing. All TV pastors have sold there souls for money and fame. Like it says in Matt what is it to profit the whole world but to loose your soul. It seems like most of these guys are also Pre-tribers (rapture)and maybe there pushing that agenda so when there still here on earth and Satan appears as an angel of light, they will run to him ( I mean isn’t that the way Satan works through deception) that is when the great falling away will occur and because they listened to the TV preacher and didn’t study to show there self approved the will run to SATAN(the angel of light.
So I said all that to say this….I believe we are living in the end times. I must admit the rapture thing is a little confusing (salvation guy)My question is wouldn’t God want to remove his people before Satan does his thing, like with Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah AND then some say there is a Rapture but its after the tribulation, which means all Christian who don’t take the mark of the beast will suffer. Again I am not here to argue but to understand my Lord and Savior so I’m better prepared and I can give others accurate information………….Sorry no time to proof ready………..
GMan wrote:
If you are a salvation guy, as you say, then the Pre-Trib Rapture should be of the utmost importance to you because it concerns your ultimate salvation. There is a salvation from sin and eternal death and a salvation from the corruptible unto the incorruptible. The first relates to your conversion and the second to the Rapture when your corruptible body will be transformed into an incorruptible to meet the Lord in the air at the Rapture. That’s why the book of Hebrews says:
To the uttermost refers to your transformation from this corruptible body to an incorruptible one when Jesus returns for his Bride at the Rapture.
If the Rapture is after the tribulation, then very little saints will remain to be rraptured because Antichirst is going to kill (behead) most of them.
At any rate Jesus promised to take his Bride out of the world when God’s wrath falls on the entire world during the seven year tribulatiion.
Has anyone else noticed that in the video of Jonathan Cahn on the Glenn Beck show, as Glenn is walking past the couch, there is a cushion on it with a skull and crossbones wearing a royal crown? Then there is another cushion like it on Glenn’s chair. Creepy! Why would someone who supposedly wants to honor and serve Jesus Christ have cushions that portray death as “royàlty”? Jesus is King of kings and Lord of Lords, and He defeated death at Calgary!
Kathy B.
You made a very good onservation. I did not notice it. Thanks.
You’re welcome!
Johnathon Cahn is a Messianic Jew Rabbi, not a christian. Our Jesus is not His Messiah.
I thought the revolutionary message of Jesus Christ was ‘Love everyone”. I also thought that God was the judge, not Man and that it was His Church and not Man’s. I think I can pretty much identify from stuff like this who is lining up to cast the first stone. It was one of the Sanhedrin who said that there was nothing they could do if Jesus did prove to be the Messiah and boy, was he correct on that point.
Pete Howlett,
Indeed, Jesus loves everyone and that is why He warned us against false prophets like Jonathan Cahn. (Matthew 24:4; Galatians 1:8-9).
Indeed, God is the Supreme Judge but He also commanded us to judge all things. (1 Corinthians 2:15). If you don’t you are disobeying Him.
Indeed, it is His church but He commanded us to feed and tend to the lambs and the sheep. You seem to want to feed them poison instead of good and wholesome food. If you refrain from warning them against wolves in sheeps clothing, you don’t love Him. (John 21:16-17).
Indeed, Jesus is the Messiah but as He warned ther will me many false Messiah’s in the last days. Who are you following?
First, God confirms the words of His prophets. If people are truly of God, there words will be confirmed. In this case, I believe this to be no different. Jonathan Cahn gave 2 warnings. His first caution stated that September may come and be rather uneventful. (This has been largely true). The fire in California may be the beginning of desolations “determined” as a result of judgment on America, but for the most part it has been largely “uneventful.” His second caution is that something destructive does come and we should be prepared. The point I want to make here is that God does confirm the word of His prophets. The fact that September has been largely “uneventful” has fulfilled the first part of Jonathan’s cautions. But if Jonathan is a true prophet of God, the second caution is still to come (destruction). One last point I will say is this. The abominations of gay marriage in all 50 states, the white house in rainbow colors, and the idol in lights on the empire state building certainly seems to me that America (Babylon and the Queen of Nations referred to in Revelation) will not escape the “desolations” that are determined as explained in Daniel chapter 9. Regarding a comment about someone’s previous comment about Jonathan Kahn possibly being one of the 2 witnesses of revelation. I believe this could be true. God tests all His prophets before He uses them for greater works. Perhaps this is a time of testing for Him. I don’t believe that Jonathan contrived the Harbinger or the Shemitah of his own imagination, as God is a revealer of mysteries. One last point. It’s biblically wise to “not to believe every spirit, but to test the spirits whether they are of God.” But I encourage every one to do this. If you really have a personal relationship with Jesus, ask Him if Jonathan Cahn is His true prophet, and if the message and warning of the Harbinger and Shemitah is a word for America. Jesus is the Good Shephard and He will tell you. But know this, that even people of Jesus day were divided about whom Jesus was. Some said “He is a good man. Others said, ‘no’ he deceives the people.” (see John 7:12) Just food for thought.
I have know of this johnathan cahn and beth Israel for over 20 years and they have become more heretical since they moved to wayne nj location and they are very strange about being over security awareness when they were in garfield but now if you even try to talk to or approach johnathan cahn the has nazi like storm troopers for security that are ready to jump you if they think you are a threat the over security is insane and not needed. Johnathan cahn sits at a table signing books after service like he was a rock star figure people line up to meet him and buy his books it is very disgusting people believe every word that comes out of his mouth like he is a living prophet and dare you question him you are playing with judgement from God to doubt the words from god’s prophet
Thanks John for your comment.
So, if this is saying he is a follower of satan, then why does he tell people to turn FROM their sin and turn TO God?
Ceil,
The Roman Cahtolic Church also tells people to turn from sin and to turn to God. Are they saved? The damsel possessed with a spirit of divination followed Paul and cried out “These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.” (Acts 16:16). She was telling the truth but Paul had to rebuke the foul spirit in her. Telling people the truth and then adding lies, is more dangerous than Satan himself. Have you ever heard Jonathan Cahn telling people how to be saved?
I wish I could have found this site earlier. Today’s date is September 28, 2015 and I have been depressed and worried now for months that we were going to be experiencing some great depression due to the judgment that Cahn has said is coming to the U.S. I have had a sense of dread since about May, 2015 with the knowledge of what was coming. I am so mad at myself for believing this nonsense and allowing Satan to steal my joy. I guess I am a pretty gullible person and Cahn was so convincing – because it does seem like our country is heading toward judgment (based on all of the “turning against God” that our country has been engaged in). I guess I’ve learned my lesson and will be more discerning next time I hear stuff like this.
Dear Stephanie
You are not alone, many people including I have had our minds ‘temporarily’ removed from the prize, that is Jesus Christ and been made to focus on other things instead, things that are nothing but lies of the devil. For a few days I felt really down, spiritually down in the dumps. But after much prayer Jesus Christ has made me realise the error and I am now focused on the what the Word of God says and not what some person on Youtube says. There is just too much dis-information and occult lies out there and we can’t get caught up in the stream of nonsense that is flowing around us. We need to stay focused on what the bible says.
I think it’s very clear that this website was created by principalities manipulating and putting doubt into people’s minds – creating division and double-mindedness in believers. It shakes the Christian faith because most of the information you put up are all dubious. Satan does not tell complete lies, just half truths and that’s exactly what you have done here. You try to take what little information you have of Jonathan and added in your own spices to make it believable enough to cast doubt into the believer’s mind. The spirit of deception is VERY strong here and he’s really established his stronghold here. You don’t know the bible very well either: you just pick and choose bible verses, mostly out of context because you have little biblical knowledge and just discredit every man of God who is telling the truth. You still can’t account of many of the miraculous things that have happened in Jonathan’s ministry. I’m not surprised but my dear, you have picked the wrong side of this war to fight on. You’re not going to win. When God is on our side, who can come up against us. It’s still not too late to repent and turn back to God. Stop slandering your Christian brothers and sisters, in Jesus Name.
Jane Doe,
You are welcome to evaluate this site in the light of what God’s Word says. However, you are not bing a Berean but are making blanket statements that mean absolutely nothing. Show us from Scripturen where we are wrong and we will set it straight.
Jane Doe you said, “You don’t know the bible very well either: you just pick and choose bible verses, mostly out of context because you have little biblical knowledge and just discredit every man of God who is telling the truth.”
Will you be so kind to give us a couple of examples where the verses picked were taken out of context?
RE: post by Jane Doe (is that your REAL name BTW, or are you LYING?) Time to check the fruit, when you so readily accuse others here of “SLANDERING”!!
From all the various articles I’ve read at this site, I don’t see anyone slandering any “Christian” “brothers and sisters”!! Anyone who is of satan is ~NOT~ brother or sister to a real Christian. Amen!
We are to TEST the spirits to see if they come from God, or did you not know that is in the Bible?
1 John 4:1 ESV
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
I do not care WHO it is — and how many tricks they’ve got up their sleeve or how many miracles they can pull out of a bag… did you know THEE false prophet of Revelation who reigns during the Tribulation (side- kick to the AntiChrist) will also work many miracles in front of people’s very eyes? (and deceive them, because the world will think he is such a “good guy”!)
14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works. 2 Cor 11:14-15
Never thought of this before, but this man brings up an excellent point in that even Satan CLAIMS to be a Christian!! ‘s%20Corner/Doctrines/angel_of_light.htm
Sal
Shemitah has come and gone and…. … … … what now? Are you going to look for another ‘profit’ to fill your head with nonsense?
I tell you what, read your bible instead, in there it tells you what’s going to happen.
I would like to suggest that all of the rhetoric is academic when you consider that many christians in the world do not have access to computers, extra readings let alone trying to process these matters on their own with limited intelligence, hence you are best to take God at his word and straighten your soul up with the word an prayer and Christ, salvation first, baptism and then walking your walk with prayer an grace through faith, that is probably why the bible is enough an these people who come through with new teachings much be carefully looked at, just thinking out loud at how overwhelming this subject would be to a new believer, Go Bless P
What proof do you have that he is a free mason? That’s a pretty big accusation.
The thing is, Jonathan Cahn is right, the US is coming under judgement because of our sins. The economy will collapse. There will be food shortages. It’s all a matter of time. I don’t know much about his other teachings, but his message of repentance and judgement is in line with what other pastors are saying.
So to say that his father is Satan is very risky.
Cindy,
What’s so special about America that it should be the only country to come under God’s judgments? God is going to judge all the nations, not only America.
Cindy
Do you think America is the only country in the world coming under God’s judgement? What is so special about America? Are you one of those who cheer everytime America wins it’s own own world cup in american football because no other country plays the sport? But by golly America is No.1, lol. Really? Think a bit please. There is an entire world out there besides America.
Secondly, he is a freemason, he has been exposed on Youtube (over and above the photos in the article) giving his masonic brother Pat Robertson a masonic handshake. See video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spwBHCKAfcc
Thirdly, if you bothered to read the article, he preaches gnostic teachings; Alpha light and at-one-ment. But you seem to ignore this. As long as he preaches ‘repentance and judgement’ in the Lords name then I guess he is godly according to you.
Fourthly, he teaches from the Kaballah and admits that it’s a fantastic source of info to use in conjunction with biblical scripture.
Fithly, he is a false prophet, he prophesied (because God told him) a world wide financial collapse on a specific date in September (because God told him). And guess what? It never came to pass. He is a false teacher. Yes tons of other stuff happened in September as it has in October and will in November, December, January etc to the last day, when Jesus returns. He got everyone rallied up about the Shemitah and applied a time period set by God for Israel to America and expected something to happen. It didn’t.
He is a false teacher and it’s clear as daylight for all to see who love the gospel truth and are not swayed by false prophets and their satanic teachings.
I would like very much to connect to a few real christians
If any of you are on facebook — thank you
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
Dear Anita
I am not on facebook, I am on Google+ but that does not mean the people on Google+ are Christian. Please read this article called “a very lonely path”: https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2015/05/25/a-very-lonely-path/
Here we have Johnathan Cahn lighting a 9 stick Menorah, the biblical Menorah is a 7 stick candle holder, the 9 stick is a false Menorah and reflects all paths leading to one God. For someone who is a Rabbi you would think he would know the difference between a biblical Menorah and a Universal Menorah. But he does not, because he follows the Kabbalah that teaches all paths lead to one God (Lucifer).
See picture here: https://www.discerningtheworld.com/images/wpi/Jonathan-Cahn-by-ha-navi-gallery-ajmu.jpg
Khan is a con. He has all kinds of revelations but does not accept the revelation already given us in the scriptures. Jesus said call no man Rabbi, Master, or Father. This is a revelation that many refuse to accept. This title is an elevation of a man to the status of Master that belongs only to God. He is like the money changers that Jesus threw out of the temple for peddling their wares. That is all he is a merchandizer of falsehoods for profit and that is why he is on all these false money grubbing preacher shows as they distribute the profits. It is shameful. To get greater insight to this problem google Jesse Duplantis False Preacher Forgotten Word Ministries and see the comments of brother Zed.
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
Deborah:
I so appreciate your question because it shows such an important observation. That is, that so few professing Christians ‘know these things’…that illustrate a refutation to popular doctrine, and that “so many ‘eat this stuff up’!
So true.
Jesus said, ‘take heed that no man deceive you’. ‘Be ware of the leaven’, false doctrine and hypocrisy. ‘Be ware of men’.
But the majority of Church People do not heed the warnings and instructions of scripture, hence your observation is the result.
Love the Lord.
Hear Him.
Do what He says.
Walk in unity with the Lord.
There be few that will.
God bless you.
Trevor Davis
http://www.SoundingTheAlarm.com
THANK YOU for exposing J. Cahn. , i’ve watched some of his videos and my Spirit man could not “connect” to what i was hearing and seeing. You know when you get that feeling of uneasiness as prompted by The Holy Spirit, well… that is what i got from the moment I started watching his stuff, and now the uneasiness is even stronger. As for him being a freemason… i think you are spot on !! Amazing what lengths they (and Satan ) will go to in order to deceive Christians. He is obviously part of a well organised psychological operation aimed at deceiving Believers. If the world was coming to an end in April or in 2016, why is he still selling and promoting his book(s), something smells really fishy here!! Thank You once again.
{For those who like a touch of allegory, here is something I ran into on the net. Enjoy.}
SECOND COMING ITEMS FOR SALE !
by Dave MacPherson
In a recent dream of mine I saw things that even John Bunyan didn’t dream about in his “Pilgrim’s Progress.”
I was walking down a remote dirt road and came by an old store with a sign that said “Second Coming Store – Established in 1830.”
I opened the door and spotted the elderly owner standing next to shelves covered with many bottles filled with liquids.
“What are you selling?” I asked.
“Second Coming perfume,” he said.
He quickly explained: “Our first and most popular perfume is called ‘Rapture.’ It doesn’t have much substance but smells better than our other perfumes.”
“How was ‘Rapture’ invented?,” I asked.
He responded: “Well, the ‘gather’ in Matt. 24:31 was ‘borrowed’ in 1830 and when it was quietly transferred to a pretrib setting it became much more fragrant and ‘Rapture’ became its new name.”
I also noticed the other bottled perfumes.
Evidently reading my mind, he explained that after “Rapture” came out in 1830, other perfumers realized they’d have to stretch forward other ingredients found in other parts of the Olivet Discourse in order to make “Rapture” even more acceptable.
His other “Rapture”-supporting perfumes were in bottles labeled “Unknown Day & Hour,” “One Taken & the Other Left,” “Thief in the Night,” and “His Elect” (Olivet Discourse “elect” was originally “Church” but later changed to “Israel”).
I wondered why the store owner didn’t have some other Olivet Discourse perfumes like “Sun & Moon Darkening,” “Falling Heavenly Stars,” “Sudden Destruction,” and “Jerusalem Touchdown” which could also be placed in a pretrib setting.
He said: “I could never sell the four perfumes you just mentioned!”
I asked: “Why not? They’re in the same Discourse.”
He blushed and said: “Folks would smell a rat!”
Well, I finally woke up from my dream. If you think my dream was just a dream, then you are dreaming!
Laura, you seem to agree with Dave McPherson. Allow me to add another perfume to your vanity box. It is called the “stay-behind-perfume.” You are welcome to use it and to stay behind with McPherson when all the believers are taken up to Jesus in the Rapture. You may also want to use the seven trumpets en seven vials perfume of which the fragrance (stench) is much stronger than the stay behind perfume.
And by the way, the little story that the Rapture was invented in 1830 has been refuted many times. You are flogging a dead horse dead. Rather read and believe the Word of God.
Jonathan Cahn is like a modern day Joseph Smith…he wrote a book, saying GOD told him, isn’t that like another young man that saw an angel and wrote a book. Jonathan wrote of impending doom, and to follow his recommendations to be spared from what is coming. Joseph S wrote a book that described a whole different church, a different message of happiness, and a way to everlasting life with forever families. Following rituals, works, and being sealed in temple rites-NONE of which are Biblical but pagan based. Joseph S had quite a following, and still has a worldwide ministry even though he has been proven to be a liar, a false teaching, a con man, there are many who still think he is a valuable source of truth. Still, after everything that has been revealed- people practice his religion, try to say it is “christian”. Sorry folks, scripture says follow GOD, not a prophet. It says test the prophesies to see if they are true. His didn’t measure up, no proof archaeologically. The doctrines keep changing with the laws of the land or the culture. It mimics aspects of christianity but in the end the mormon doctrine is NOT at all representational of scripture. But sadly most LDS think they are christians even though their doctrine is NOT in agreement with anything that Christianity practices. I fought this with a branch of my own family, they were GREAT people, lived clean lives but they were NOT following scripture, they followed a prophet’s false book, false teachings on doctrines, false sealings, false doctrines. You couldn’t REACH them because they were so deceived and twisted. I live in LDS country now and I pray and weep over how indoctrinated to falsehood they are. Jonathan’s prophesy didn’t materialize and yet he STILL has a huge following thinking he is representing Biblical truth. Nada. People will believe what they want or need to, and how tragic.
Anyone who actively support Conman Cahn is immediately kicked out of the church. And so it should be if they fail to abide by Biblical teaching.
“Anyone who actively support Conman Cahn is immediately kicked out of the church.” What does this mean?
I want to thank you you for your informative blog Tom and Deborah. I always wondered why Johathan Cahn called himself Rabbi. That seems to be such a direct form of disrespecting what Jesus said. However, the Harbinger thing seemed plausible, you know, that tree still standing, Washington and that little church, etc. Jonathan is welcomed in political circles where he is actually insulting the listeners, like at Obama’s prayer breakfast. That always seemed odd to me. And his affiliation with TBN which I have long ago stopped watching. I believe you have given some valuable information to make me think twice about him. I actually found your blog googling “Is Jonathan Cahn John the Baptist”, the John the Baptist that is supposed to come before Jesus returns.
Dear MissDebra
Two things:
You said: However, the Harbinger thing seemed plausible, you know, that tree still standing, Washington and that little church, etc.
The Harbinger seems plausible because Satan is the one who is planning this all. He is using the bible to make his own satanic prophecies that are coming to pass.
You said: I actually found your blog googling “Is Jonathan Cahn John the Baptist”, the John the Baptist that is supposed to come before Jesus returns.
It’s the two witnesses (Moses and Elijah) that comes DURING THE GREAT TRIBULATION before Jesus Christ returns to set up millennial kingdom. You as a born again Christian should be taken up in the rapture before the Trib starts. You will not be here to witness this.
Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
I think it is Enoch and Elijah. Moses has already died but Enoch was taken to heaven alive. I don’t know why so many people want to believe it is Moses. Let the poor man rest, didn’t he have enough trouble for forty years in the desert? lol Why resurrect him when there is Enoch ready to go and he has never died. It is appointed unto men once to die and after that the judgement. Yes we won’t die when raptured, but prior to Jesus death and resurrection, that was the plan for all men. Hello! Does anyone not realize that Enoch has never died? Plus, he has never gone through the hassles Moses had to go through, so he is ready to do some serious damage to the forces of darkness in the tribulation!
As far as John the Baptist returning before Jesus does, thank you for correcting me, I did make a mistake. It is Elijah who yes, I believe will be one of the great two witnesses.
Another reason I think Enoch will be the other witness is that it is generally believed that Enoch was black. The two most persecuted peoples in the world have been the blacks and the Jews. I believe the blacks represent the righteous during the time of the tower of Bable, and they were not changed into other nationalities. However, not long after, they too fell into disobedience to God, and became hypocritical, just like the Jews have done, and have reaped much persecution as a people because of this. So Enoch represents the original people God created and of course Elijah represents the Jews. Enoch and Elijah are the best candidates to rain judgement down on the evil that has persecuted mankind. This is what I think.
MissDebra
It might very well be Moses as Moses and Elijah appeared with Jesus at his Transfiguration. Matthew 17:1-9. I personally don’t believe it will be Enoch because the Jews are waiting for Elijah that would re-appear before the Messiah came and they also mentioned Jeremiah (Mat 16:14) why Jeremiah? Many suppose that this reference to Jeremiah is in fact reference to a prediction of Moses (Deuteronomy 18:15.)
MissDebra, here’s a question for you. When John the Baptist was asked whether he was Elias (Elijah), he said “I am not” (John 1:21). Yet this passage seems to say something different.
Now the question: Who was lying – John the Baptist or Jesus?
Lying is a strong term. I don’t believe either one was lying. John probably was not told “Thou art Elijah returned,” but Jesus knew in the spirit that John had the calling, of Elijah.
MisDebra,
John knew his calling. In fact, his parents must have told him that he was empowered by the Holy Ghost even from his mother’s womb (Luke 1:15). I can’t see why lying is such a strong term. Are you trying to be politically correct by not answering the question? Both Jesus and John the Baptist were correct. Jesus never meant that John was Elijah returned or resurrected from the dead with a new name called John the Baptist. What Jesus meant was that John came in the spirit and power of Elijah to return the hearts of the fathers to the sons and vice versa. And neither will Elijah or Moses or Enoch return in person during the tribulation. It simply means that another person, like John the Baptist, is going to return in the spirit and power of the prophet Elijah (Elias).
MissDebra
You said: John probably was not told “Thou art Elijah returned,”
John the Baptist knew he was Elijah returned “in spirit and in power” not in person, see Luke 1:17 🙂
And Jesus knew he was Elijah in spirit and power, not in person 🙂
Thanks Tom for that excellent comment.
MissDebra
A quick question, seeing as though you were speaking about Enoch, what is your belief about the Nephilim?
MissDebra
You said: “Another reason I think Enoch will be the other witness is that it is generally believed that Enoch was black. The two most persecuted peoples in the world have been the blacks and the Jews. I believe the blacks represent the righteous during the time of the tower of Bable, and they were not changed into other nationalities. However, not long after, they too fell into disobedience to God, and became hypocritical, just like the Jews have done, and have reaped much persecution as a people because of this. So Enoch represents the original people God created and of course Elijah represents the Jews. Enoch and Elijah are the best candidates to rain judgement down on the evil that has persecuted mankind. This is what I think.”
Three questions:
1 Mind telling us from biblical scripture where you got this idea from?
2 Or did you get this info from the Book of Enoch?
3 Do you believe that black people are God’s chosen people as well along with the Jews?
Just wondering, do you Tom or you Deborah believe that you can learn from anyone else in the body of Christ, or do you think you have all the answers? I find your responses to be somewhat confrontational and argumentative. Actually, I am not disagreeing on some of what you say, but we should all be open to other’s opinions as to who the two witnesses will be. Walking in love and not strife should be our goal, not trying to be right, especially on issues that are left up to our imaginations, such as who are the two prophets.
Also, I have never been known to try to be politically correct. Not sure what that means anyway, because the politics keep changing. I try to go by the Bible, but everything is not spelled out there, so I do the best I can to hear from the Holy Ghost and obey Him. That should be our goal, correct? That’s my form of correctness, listening to the Holy Ghost and doing my best to obey Him.
Love is gentle. When we help educate someone else, or share our views with a fellow Christian, a mark of maturity is the ability to be gentle and kind in our delivery, not caustic and debating.
Oh dear. Miss Debra I didn’t realise asking you questions was such a terrible thing. No where have we been nasty to you or been hateful or insulted you. But you insult us. That’s nice. Don’t worry we forgive you 🙂
Please by all means leave this website before you have to think any further than your nose. And you know what, don’t answer those questions, I already know your answer that is why I asked them.
But before you go, please read this:
You think the book of Enoch is biblical yet it goes against every grain that the bible stands for. Read this comment where it says in the book of Enoch that an angel called Phanuel is your mediator between man and God. Is this biblical? Answer this question and give your answer to Jesus Christ the Son of God, now us. ok?
Am I being nasty by asking this question? No, far from it. Telling someone the truth is Love, if I left you alone, that would be hateful.
In chapter 40 and verses 9 we read of the Book of Enoch…
The book of Enoch was not included in the bible for a reason MissDebra, because it’s not written by Enoch, it’s satanic.
HI MisDebra,
There are only two options to take when dealing with spiritual matters – the one is truth and the other lies. And as you know, Satan is the father of lies (John 8:44). So why do I need to take your or anyone else’s opinions as Gospel truth when it is not? Have you never read this before?
So stop feeling sorry for yourself and receive rebuke with open arms when it is said in the spirit of Proverbs 27:6.
MissDebra wrote:
No, my dear, this is the mark of maturity.
Would you say Paul’s indictment is full of love, gentle and kind?
Who will be the two witnesses during the tribulation is not doctrine. It is conjecture. Let’s not confuse answering heresy with mere conjecture. No matter how you approach it, we are to speak to the brethren, and I am not talking about heretics, with love. Even heretics should be approached with love and if they don’t change after being corrected, then stronger methods must be employed. However, we should not start out hitting our brethren over the head with overly strong delivery. That is what I am saying. Yes, Jesus called the hypocrites White Washed Tombs, but they were hypocrites. He did not treat everyone this way. Tom you and Deborah do not know everything, so a spirit of humility while you “minister” and not “brow beat” the body of Christ would be wise. When it is all said and done, you will have to answer to God in the end for your attitudes, not just your correct or incorrect words. We know how Jesus deals with those who beat the brethren, so fear of the Lord and gentleness in your communications is to your best advantage.
MissDebra wrote:
Well, Jesus said to one of his closest disciples “Get thee behind me Satan.” What does that tell you? It shows that whenever those whom He did not always treat as hypocrites were also prone to be called hypocrites and devils whenever they did not walk according to the Gospel.
You wrote:
You are doing precisely what you are accusing Deborah and myself of – beating us instead of correcting us. Correcting means to show us from Scripture – like Jesus did with his disciple Peter – that we are on the wrong track and need to be corrected in love. What do you do? Instead of correcting us, you judge us by saying “Jesus is going to deal harshly with you. He is going to send you to hell.” Why do I say this? Let ‘s look at that passage which you used to tell us that we are beating the brethren over the head.
You are accusing us of:
1) unbelief in the return of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2) Drunkenness
and saying that Jesus is going to:
1) cut us asunder.
2) appoint us with the hypocrites and worst of all,
3) send us to hell.
Now, my dear, if that is not judging us and sending us to hell, I don’t know what is. You need to repent, Debra, before it’s too late for you.
Believe me. Contending for the faith is not equal to beating the brethren over the head. It is to bring them to their senses so that they may be saved from error.
Today is July 31,2016 and I have just found this site. I can’t emphasize my deep gratitude enough for moderators who seem to breathe Acts 17:11, and the expositions that have removed my loyalty to more than one teacher.
Please stop coming against God’s chosen people. Johnathan Cahn share’s the Word of God in his messages, and your reading way too much into what he says. He is a good man out there preaching, teaching and educating people on Jewish tradition, and how events unfold by the Jewish calendar and not the Gentile calendar. He is highly respected and inspirational to many people, myself included. God is using Johnathan in a mighty way, to His glory. And personally speaking, maybe you need to focus on sharing Christ with others and the messages He gives you, and quit tearing down a brother in Christ.
Jodi
How sure are you that Jonathan Cahn is preaching to you the Jesus of the Bible and not another Jesus?
Read here.
Basically, all of his arguments will lead in one direction – toward support of the Jews. We should leave Jews alone, whatever they do in society, and support Israel as “the apple of God’s eye”. This is baloney. Judaism has been dead for almost 2,000 years. Without a temple, without a priesthood, there are no sacrifices, and thus no covenant. What is today called Judaism (basically Rabbis arguing with Rabbis) is younger than Christianity. Israel is the Church, and there are found the children of Moses. There’s only one question: Is he a huckster, or does he actually believe the bull he’s chucking?
Hugh Beaumont
Anti-semites cannot claim to believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob because they are anti the Jewish God. Jesus himself was a Jew.
http://www.thebereancall.org/content/november-2013-classic-2
People get very worked up over this topic. This guy should be taken with a grain of salt. If his teaching strengthens your faith in Jesus, great. Don’t take his prophecies or future suggestions as doctrine or truth. Ponder them and move on with Jesus. Don’t let mysteries become an idol in your heart or mind. The greatest prophecy, the deepest mystery is , “Follow Me! [and My teachings]” You can do that every day without squabbling over this stuff. None of it can bring you closer to Jesus as reading your Bible, praying, worshiping and fasting.
But this guy does have some red flags…He often talks about interactions with spirits, “teachers”, visions and that I know of he has never asked them to “confess that Jesus Christ came in the flesh”. I don’t know who these entities are that he gets his info from…
Suggestion….if you want to find out the mysteries of God and seek harbingers because it is intriguing to you….go to Jesus and ask Him…He is faithful to give what you seek if you seek and believe. And that you can count on with your soul…Cahn? He is just a man.
Ceil wrote:
Muslims think they are turning to God? If you turn toward the wrong God with info that God did not give to Cahn, then God is not the one you are turning to when Cahn asks you to turn to god because God did not send Cahn. Just a thought. I’m not deciding either way, just giving a plausible answer to your quandary. 🙂
Fantastic to finally locate people who have been aware of Jonathan Con…the false profit. God bless you all for having the Spiritual ability to discern…..such a joy. Praise the Lord.
I too think Jonathan Cahn should be disregarded. This is my reason: I once heard that he took the subway in NYC. After that he just happened to eat lunch at, guess where?? SUBWAY SANDIWICH SHOP. Is this a coincidence?? I dont think so. The mystery gets deeper. He ordered his sandwich on multi-grain wheat bread. The Bible says not to eat leavened break because leaven is like the teaching of the Pharisees, false teachers. Thus he consumes false teaching! But it gets worse. Subway’s longtime spokesman was Jared Fogle, sounds like a Jew. Little did we know that all the while he was selling Subway sandwiches, he was doing inappropriate things with underage girls. A child molester and a sex offender. Thus Jonathan Cahn by eating at Subway is perpetuating sex offenses against minors!!!
OK I am frightened to think that many reading this BS actually believes it and agrees with me. I say all this to make a point, which is that the Pharisee who runs this site and in the first few lines of this page states that “no one should be called rabbi but Jesus” and condemns Cahn because one of the guys at the publishing house that published his book attends a particular denomination therefore everything Cahn teaches should be discounted as false teaching. How ridiculous. Do you actually mean that no rabbi in the world should be called a rabbi? Get rid of that religious spirit and start seeing clearly friend. It’s your kind that rejected and killed the Messiah while people without religious training recognized Him clearly.
This site is called “discerningtheworld????” LOL! Get a clue man.
Mike Glass,
Should I be surprised that you love to follow a Kabbalah mystic?
HH Your statement “People get very worked up over this topic. This guy should be taken with a grain of salt. If his teaching strengthens your faith in Jesus, great. Don’t take his prophecies or future suggestions as doctrine or truth. Ponder them and move on with Jesus,” sounds a lot like Jesus’s warning in Matthew 24:4, “Take heed that no man deceive you.” Just kidding. Jesus was dead serious when He said this. Deception was not just a little grain of salt to Him, as you said. Deception is demonic and its aim is to lead you away from Jesus and not toward Him as you suggested.
Nothing worse than Christian bigotry. The first sign of NOT being a Christian is to set yourself up with the authority to decide who is, or isn’t, a Christian. Why not let each individual decide this about themselves, even the Mormons, Catholics, Seventh Day Adventists, or Jehovah Witnesses? Why would anyone need to disrespect any of these people’s witness regarding their own personal beliefs? This is the height of hypocrisy while respect is Christ-like.
A Jew who has accepted Jesus Christ as his Savior is a reason to celebrate. Let him bring his wisdom along with him and let us each individually discern through the gift of the Holy Ghost what he or she believes. I believe James when he says that God will give answers liberally to any who ask and that He doesn’t discriminate between us.
I’m sorry that so many need a third party to confirm or refute another man’s testimony. Listen. Hear. Pray. Ask. I know personally that He answers sincere prayers. There is joy in knowing how to find the answers. There is peace in knowing that He will not allow us to be lead astray if we ask for personal guidance.
Donna, Your statement “There is peace in knowing that He will not allow us to be lead astray if we ask for personal guidance” is not biblical. Jesus never said, “Ask for guidance so that you may not be led astray.” He said “Take heed that no man deceive you” (Matthew 24:4). That sounds a lot like the onus is on you to make sure you are not deceived. He is not going to do it for you, is He? He want you to be an adult spiritual person who discerns all things correctly. That’s why He said:
He doesn’t want you to be an infantile Christian who cannot discern whether someone is a Christian or not.
I you cannot discern whether someone is a true Christian or not, you are in for a lot of problems. Why?
You wrote “Nothing worse than Christian bigotry. The first sign of NOT being a Christian is to set yourself up with the authority to decide who is, or isn’t, a Christian. Why not let each individual decide this about themselves, even the Mormons, Catholics, Seventh Day Adventists, or Jehovah Witnesses?”
OK, please tell us:
1) Are Buddhists Christians?
2) Is Islam Christian?
3) Is Satanism Christian?
If your answer is “NO” in each instance, you have just proved that you are a bigot and not a Christian.
If, as you say, everyone should decide for himself whether he or she is Christian or not flies in the face of Jesus and his brother, Jude’s admonishment in the book of Jude.
david Hornstein wrote:
billy humphries
The photos on this site speak volumes, unless you are as blind as a bat.
Thanks for your comment HH 🙂
@ Deborah. You seem like a nasty piece of work to me. So rude and scathing. I wouldn’t listen to anything you have to say, because you haven’t said one thing in love.
Mind you own,
I must say your scathing nasty piece of work to rebuke Deborah in this way is a superb example of how to say things ablaze with love. Please remove the huge beam out of your own eye first and then come back to make some real mature comments.
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Dear Mind your own / Kat
I love it when people like yourself come and insult me but never point to anything specific doctrinal wise that is incorrect. People behave like this when they can’t prove using the bible that what I’ve said is wrong. Their last and only hope is to call me names and say I’m unloving. Shame.
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I concur with billy humphreys remarks. The facts of this article are pretty weak and down right unsubstantial. I’m no Cahn fan by any stretch of the imagination, but one who have hard core proof, facts, evidence to prove one’s point or claim against another, and this article failed miserably. Alas, gone are days of sound, polished journalism.
toni pugh
It’s got nothing to do with journalism. It’s about this,
You are not testing the spirits because you think you know so much about journalism. The latter cannot keep you out of heaven; false doctrine can.
toni pugh
Just shows you what the blind and deceived actually see. Nothing.
If we would spend more time in the Word for ourselves and prayer and seek the Holy Spirit for counsel and understanding we wouldn’t have time to sit there and write articles like this. We should be busy occupying, spreading the gospel, being witnesses to those who are lost.
I have listened to many like Jonathan Cahn, and there are many others coming. You need to be in the Word and prayer to discern the spirits. It’s not our job to spend all this time on these issues. If we spend time doing what Jesus told us to do we wouldn’t have time to write these types of articles.
I think God can handle the exposing of false prophets that are out there. Be careful what you do and what you say.
Dear James
Well by golly then, what are you doing spending time reading our article for, you’ve got so much time on your hands, criticizing us, writing silly comments to us when you should be out there “busy occupying, spreading the gospel, being witnesses to those who are lost.”
I wonder, if your were around in the time when Jesus walked the earth, you would be the one telling Jesus Christ where to get off for WARNING his disciples about the Pharisees (like Rabbi Cahn) that they preached falsely.
Luke 20:45-47
45 Then in the audience of all the people he said unto his disciples, 46 Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts; 47 Which devour widows’ houses, and for a shew make long prayers: the same shall receive greater damnation.
Most of the New Testament (if you had read it) is spent on WARNING about false teachers and their teaching. When the Apostles WARNED us, were they wrong? According to you, ‘Yes’! They wasted their time when they should have been out there ‘busy occupying, spreading the gospel, being witnesses to those who are lost.’
You said “I have listened to many like Jonathan Cahn, and there are many others coming.”
We know there are many more coming, the bible prophesied so: Matthew 24:11 “And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.”
Run along now go ‘occupy, spread and be a witness’ to your false gospel you preach.
By the way: ‘occupy’ is Kingdom Now teaching – the building of the ‘Kingdom of God’ on earth before Christ returns (which is none other than Satan’s Kingdom) – just thought I needed to point that you to you. :nod:
You said “Be careful what you do and what you say.”
Ditto
I don’t see the big deal with Jonathan saying that the rabbis are saying things from God. The gospels say the high priest prophesied concerning Jesus.
Dear Doug R
So this verse is no big deal?
Matthew 23:8 KJV “8But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.”
Matthew 23:8 ESV “But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers.”
What else in the bible is no big deal?
You said “The gospels say the high priest prophesied concerning Jesus.”
Indeed Doug, that was the Old Testament, we are under a New Covenant, Jesus Christ is our High Priest, we don’t follow Rabbi’s who are under the Law…like Jonathan Cahn.
I see from your website you have some very strange teachings.
Quick what to do? The Ancient Hebrew letters are full of Mason symbols! God wrote using Mason symbols!
Really? God wrote in these symbols long before the Masons. All you need to do is learn the pictographs behind these Early Semitic letters. Go look at Jeff Benner and Frank Seekins work.
Better yet look at a lexicon. An old one. Go to the first page and you’ll find out the first letter of the Hebraic alphabet is alef and means ox. The pictograph equivalent is literally an ox.
Why did the Israelites worhsip Baal? Because the word EL (god or God) is made of the letter alef (ancient picture of ox) and lammed (ancient picture of staff).
You really need to be careful. Our alphabet is derived from these Phoenician pictographs. The letter A is an ox looking up. Yeshua (Jesus’ name) also has the letter shin in it.
These symbols have dual functions. It has God’s fingerprints on them but satan wants to twist and pervert the knowledge of God to his own meanings.
Learn Hebrew. You’ll find a lot of interesting yet controversial things as you learn. I know I have.
Dear Lena
Not sure I understand who your comment is aimed at. 🙂
When an Israelite or anyone for that matter writes in Hebrew it’s his language used to communicate with, but when a Freemason or other cultists use Hebrew letters as symbols it becomes satanic. Just because Jonathan Cahn is supposed to be a Christian and an Israelite now doesn’t make what he does and says ok and it doesn’t make the use of Hebrew letters to convey satanic messages ok either.
Hi Deborah,
I think you misunderstand. The Hebrew, Greek and Roman alphabet come from Phoenician/Early Semitic/Early Canaanite symbols or pictures. The English (Roman) alphabet is derived from those forgotten symbols. All you need to go is to study the origin or these scripts. The 10 commandments were written in an Early Semitic script by God and that script is like the hieroglyphs of the Egyptians.
As for the Hebrew letters not being able to convey satanic messages depends on the point of view. If you don’t believe me, I suggest you look for the Hebrew word witness (ad) or knowledge (da) and look at the Hebrew word picture for those words. You can find it Jeff Benner’s Lexicon. Looking in to this might shake your world – if you understand why I’m saying this. I know I got nauseous after finding this out because it’s so clear how satan uses the things of God for his own purposes.
The Bible quotes satan’s words like when Jesus was tempted. In return, satan can quote the Bible and twist its meaning. There was an news interview that I saw a journalist who interviews a satanist and the satanist claims he quoted Psalms in the Bible as curses. My pastor cast out a demon before that quoted the Bible. Satan knows the Bible extremely well and his purpose is to twist it.
Can Israelites really not be Christians? Lord Jesus was called the King of the Jews. We are adopted into the vine and become part of His kingdom. Doesn’t that make us part of His Jewish Kingdom? Judah simply means praise. Do we not praise God’s name? Personally, I want to know God better so I started studying Hebrew and Greek. I don’t really call myself a Messianic Jew but the literal meaning of those words is “anointed praise.” Are we not anointed to praise the name of Lord Jesus?
Lord Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. He does not change. Lord Jesus is the Truth. He is the Word and His words do not change. Lord Jesus and the Father are one. There is a truth in the law and the prophets that does not change. It’s a spiritual truth. I get the feeling most Christians have a problem with Christians upholding His law. Its true we are under grace but through the Spirit of God we are to be transformed in the image of Lord Jesus day by day and keep the law. It’s our willing submission to God’s Spirit in us – the more control you give the Spirit of God, the more you cannot help but obey the law because the Spirit inside you cannot help it.
Sorry I said “You can find it Jeff Benner’s Lexicon” but it won’t be clear. If you are going to look it, you need to find the derived written form of the letter dalet. The ayin is clear but look up the Early Semitic script for the letter dalet.
Dear Lena
You said “I think you misunderstand.”
I understand completely, you misquote what I said.
I am trying to figure out of you are pro Jonathan Cahn. Which it seems you are, am I correct?
You said “I think you misunderstand. The Hebrew, Greek and Roman alphabet come from Phoenician/Early Semitic/Early Canaanite symbols or pictures.”
I agree and understand totally. But if you notice, you typed that sentence: “I think you misunderstand. The Hebrew, Greek and Roman alphabet come from Phoenician/Early Semitic/Early Canaanite symbols or pictures.” in an English Alphabet that is derived from Ancient Phonetician symbols/pictures. Is the sentence you typed satanic? Nope it isn’t, it’s being used as a language to communicate. When you use the letters of any Alphabet to communicate another meaning other than what it was meant for, i.e., using the first letter of the Hebraic alphabet ‘alef’ (ancient picture of a ‘ox’) and ‘lammed’ (ancient picture of a ‘staff’) to denote a cryptic message of worship to Baal then it becomes satanic.
Where our languages are derived from is not going to cause me as a Christian to stop writing using the English Alphabet, and neither am I communicating a satanic message typing this paragraph. If I however said to you “I believe in ٦٦٦”, that would be me sending you a cryptic message in Hebrew, or I could just come out and express my belief of “666” to you in English numerals for it to be satanic, however if I typed the following in English: “The numbers 666 according to scripture is the mark of the beast” that is a sentence and it’s not satanic.
You said “As for the Hebrew letters not being able to convey satanic messages depends on the point of view. If you don’t believe me”
I said they do, re-read.
You said “Can Israelites really not be Christians?”
I never said that or implied that, re-read.
A Jew can become a Christian – HALLELUJAH!! Just like EVERYONE in the world can become a Christian. A Jew that is born again is most precious as far as I am concerned. However Jonathan Cahn is not a Christian, he is a Rabbi. Most if not all Rabbi’s are deeply spiritually embedded in the Kabbalah. If he was a Christian he would have denounced all Jewish mysticism/witchcraft and stopped being a Rabbi, instead he teaches using the Zohar; the kabbalah and part of it was written in the Zohar.
Johnathan Cahn is very dangerous. He is fooling gentile Christians into believing he is a Jewish Christian and even worse he is fooling Jewish Christians into believing that he is Christian because he is a Rabbi. He is dragging Gentile Christians under the Law, and he is dragging Jewish Christians back under the law.
I’m glad you understand and I can see your point of view why new believers might get swept away in a wrong direction.
I got swept away with simply going to church that created a message out of a few verses in the Bible. “No depth,” I thought at 13. “What’s the point of going to church? I could have read more in the time he spoke his sermon.” I’ve read through the whole Bible when I was 12. The church I went to were inept for someone like me. If I remained going to a church that didn’t teach the whole Bible but some portions, I would have long stopped going to church. Thank God for my pastor, even with his faults, he has taught me so much.
I’m one who goes into the danger zone. I never liked being told no and it was partially because my dad was a corrupt father figure. I still don’t trust authority. I’m extremely rebellious in thought even though I was one of those good note takers in the church. I could show you faithful notes I took as a child to this day. I knew the Bible more than most but developing a relationship with God took a lot of time.
Have you evangelized to Muslims, Hindus or Sikhs? Being a daughter of those who came from an eastern background, I know. One way you would evangelize to them are through their own books. The ones who came from that background are the most effective witnesses.
You can throw aside all Jewish teaching because you think it’s dangerous. I agree. A lot of it is dangerous. But there are those who will learn from the one who knows them.
Is my pastor better than the pastor that taught me fluff? No. It depends on the person. The pastor that taught fluff had many going to his church and the ones that regularly go may be extremely thankful to him. Many have left my church because of the difficult teaching of my pastor and grown more in the Lord at another church than mine.
Jewish mysticism/witchcraft is wrong. But quoting from certain books doesn’t mean he’s condoning mysticism/witchcraft. Even if he was, I like to listen to people. You never know what God can tell you while your reading or listening to something controversial.
My pastor’s read through the major religion’s books, even the satanic bible. Has taught was certain cults believe. I always got the impression I could do the same.
I’m extremely grateful for that.
Before, I hated people. I would imagine the most vile and evil people and then I’d think that God loves them and I should do the same. I didn’t want to and couldn’t until I didn’t hate God for reaching out his hand to a murdering rapist and pedophile and telling them that He would forgive them. I now love that part of Him. It is one of the reasons I can freely go out an evangelize – even though perhaps one day I’ll meet someone like that.
God hasn’t called us to be afraid but go into the danger zone with Him.
Many new believers might get lost and fall but those who persevere are the ones who will get stronger.
Be blessed and grow in the Lord. May God strengthen your relationship with Him. If you are in good conscience before God, then it is enough. I simply wanted to share my thoughts.
Also, I love the law even though it irritated me to no end when I was younger. I simply want to know and understand it from the perspective of God. If I’m convicted to obey the law, I’ll wrestle with God much like everything He’s taught me over the years. I’m one stubborn student. I love that He is patient with me. Praise God for His longsuffering kindness!
Correction: “Has taught what* certain cults believe.” Lest you think my pastor is a cultist, he isn’t. He’s a zealous reader. Reads Christian autobiographies in his spare time. Read many of the Christian reformers of old. Told us to read books like “Foxes Book of Martyrs” or books from Luther, Spurgeon or Westley over the years. A pastor who also has engineering degree and works at a high end car company. A crazy man who sleeps 4 hours a day because he wants to spend time with God in his early mornings.
Oh my word… here it comes. Luther?…Spurgeon? .. John Wesley? :shocked:
How crazy did you say he was Lena?
How to mix Wesley and Charly.. :thinking:
Being a zealous reader of the books of the reformers do not make you a born-again Christian – never has and never will. So too a 4 hour a day sleep makes no difference.
To Robbie, I threw some names in that I didn’t spell right but yes he quote from a lot of people. I’ve heard their names in sermons and some parts of the biographies. I haven’t read those books. Just listened to his lectures on the reformers. But yeah, read things from Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, history books like the fall of the Roman empire. etc. I don’t really keep track but I remember from the notes I wrote. My church is a Punjabi English church and has translation, I have time to take detailed notes because of the translation. He’s South Indian and I think he’s crazy. Very contentious. I am too. I’ve gotten into heated arguments with him. I don’t agree with everything he’s taught just like he doesn’t teach everything a single church reformer has written.
To Tom, I agree. It doesn’t but I said so to illustrate a point of his zeal.
Dear Lena :hi:
What doctrine does your church follow? Do they have a website? Please give me the name of your pastor please. 🙂
You said “Told us to read books like “Foxes Book of Martyrs” or books from Luther, Spurgeon or Westley over the years”
and “I said so to illustrate a point of his zeal.”
That is not good advice. Luther was a rebellious catholic who hated Jews with a passion, Charles Spurgeon was a Calvinist and Calvinism/Reformed Theology/Reformation is an an evil cult doctrine disguised as Christianity and is supposed to represent Christianity in it’s purest form, and Wesley founded Methodism and they believe that everyyyyoneeeee goes to heaven, especially if you are a confirmed Methodist then your chances are 100%.
If you are reading these books just for the sake of understanding their doctrine and knowing they and their doctrine is evil that’s one thing, but to read these peoples work to find little ‘gems’ of truth amist all the lies, is totally wrong and not zealous at all.
You say you go to a Punjabi English church, but in one of your earlier comments you said “I don’t really call myself a Messianic Jew”, why would you want to call yourself a Jew when you are in fact Indian and a Christian? I am a South African and a Christian. I am not Jewish, only Jews are Jews, just like Elephants are born Elephants – and you can’t be one even if you wanted too. :nod:
You said in an earlier comment which I wanted to just make a note on, you said “Jewish mysticism/witchcraft is wrong. But quoting from certain books doesn’t mean he’s condoning mysticism/witchcraft.”
Jonathan Cahn was quoting or PREACHING from the Zohar giving it the thumbs up, he was condoning it. He was using it as an aid to the Bible and this is wrong. It’s one thing to quote from someone like we do here on DTW to EXPOSE the lies being told, it’s another to preach and teach from false doctrine and lift it up and lay it side by side with what the Bible has to say, or use it to confirm things in the bible.
You said “Even if he was, I like to listen to people. You never know what God can tell you while your reading or listening to something controversial.”
If you went there knowing that the people you were listening too were evil, and you went to to learn the doctrine they preach so that you can warn others about it, that’s one thing, but to go there to listen to try find some interesting truth amidst the lies is just plain foolish. And the only thing God would tell you through His Holy Spirit is to ‘get up and leave!’
Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Wow. Someone has spilled a whole lot of leaven on your point of view of history and the reformers. You can’t put God into a box and neither can you put a Christian into the place of God and expect them to get everything right.
It is your loss if you isolate yourself from anyone who doesn’t have the same perspective as you.
It really tells me a lot about your relationship with God.
Do you not listen to God or can you not hear God when you listen to preachers? Does God not give pop ups confirming or disconfirming from the Bible when you are listening to someone? Can you really not go where there is evil and not hear God as clear as day? Does God not tell you why evil is the way it is? Does God not explain to you why evil people think a certain way?
Can you not listen to evil words and hear God contradicting and telling you what He thinks?
I might have been born to an Indian family but that doesn’t mean I call myself Indian. A lot of Indian immigrants who try to convince me that I’m Indian get irritated when I tell them I’m Canadian. I was born and raised in Canada. I live in Canada. I’m Canadian. I don’t fully identify with Canadian culture because it’s multicultural nor do I consider myself fully Indian even though it’s the place where my parents have come from. I’ve picked up Japanese and Korean because I have no problem with getting hindered by what is expected of me. I’ll learn Hebrew and Greek if I want to before I properly learn how to read Hindi or Punjabi – which many have encouraged me to do.
I’m Christian but if I wanted to use the Hebraic version of the word and call myself Messianic, I will. Both words mean to be anointed. If I want to call myself a Jew which basically means to praise because I praise God, I can. I look at the meaning behind the words. I don’t care about your definitions or the world’s definitions but God’s definitions.
I don’t have a denomination – the etymology of the word basically means to have a name. The modern meaning of the word is attached to the history of where your beliefs have come from. Since I go to Church where most people have converted from other religions, we don’t have a history. We put the Bible first. We test doctrines by the fact that they are consistent with the Bible from Genesis to Revelation.
I don’t get hooked on what a preacher’s denomination is but the content of what he’s preaching. I have learned to discern and test preachers – mostly because my pastor has an irritating habit of asking questions and then telling us to answer with verses from the Bible. If we answer without having a verse, he’ll ask “where is it written?”
I haven’t met or listen to a preacher that I agree 100% but that doesn’t mean I won’t listen. I might get a speck of knowledge or other times I’ll get a whole lot of popup from God and the Bible in my mind contradicting what the preacher is saying.
I’ve talked about myself too much. Hearing me repeat “I” is getting irritating.
Praise God for being who is! How can people not love Him! Who is like Him? No one. It is better to sit at the feet of God who is a Teacher above all teachers. Blessed are those who are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue will He speak to this people. Blessed are those who hear and understand!
Dear Lena
It’s not nice to waste someone’s precious time after they have been completely nice to you for you to come back raging like a bull at them and tell them not to point fingers and that we have it all wrong when they themselves point fingers and have have it all wrong.
You said “If I want to call myself a Jew which basically means to praise because I praise God, I can. I look at the meaning behind the words. I don’t care about your definitions or the world’s definitions but God’s definitions.”
Lena; Jews are Jews, Gentiles are Gentiles (You and I are Gentiles). Gentiles are spiritual Children of Abraham, we are not Israel or Jews and will never be. Males are Males and Females are Females, many males want to call themselves females but can’t because they are NOT and vice versa. You are being downright silly to think otherwise.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Again I repeat: Gentiles are spiritual children of Abraham, in other words, we Christians are children of God through our faith in Jesus Christ (Galatians 3:26), and this makes us spiritual descendants of Abraham and co-heirs of the promised blessings
I pray you stop following the false doctrines from all the false pastors you like to learn from, like Jonathan Cahn. Saying you can learn truth, any amount of truth from false teachers (Satan’s ministers of righteousness) is saying you can learn truth from Satan. Really? I beg to differ!
2 Corinthians 11:14-15 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
If you insist you want to call yourself a Jew when you are not then read this verse and think:
Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
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Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
🙂 Deb, I thought that was a funny one! Yes, Amen Deb. Lots are going to hell & it is not funny at all.
Sorry, but I couldn’t get through all of your article. As soon as I started reading falsehoods, I stopped. You said our first President was a free Mason and prayed to Satan? This is a lie.
I’ve read all of Johnathan Cahn’s books. I am a biblical scholar and follower of truth. I study scripture 4-5 hours every day! Do you?
There are too many pick and choose scripture readers, who invent their own religions. You must read the Bible from cover to cover. Then read it again and again and again and again. Take notes as you’re reading it. Memorize as much as you can. Then you can read outside books and discern their good from the bad.
Johnathan Cahn has led many souls to Christ through these books. How many souls have you led to Christ through your criticisms?
That being said, no one should ever follow a man! Let me repeat that…NO ONE should ever follow a MAN, but in order to know God, we MUST follow ALL of His teachings. THE BIBLE.
I noticed in your writing, you made some judgement calls on Glen Beck and his religion. I’m not a Mormon, I am a true Christian that walks with Christ daily. I may have my personal opinions but I would never make a judgement call on these people. Let me rephrase that. Since I’ve been saved, I’ll not make a judgement call on the Mormons. The scriptures tell us that all who have called upon the Lord thy God shall be saved. Scriptures then goes on to tell us in detail what Christ told His disciples to do to be Saved and have life everlasting. Accept Christ as your Lord and Savior, repent of your sins (turn away from them) be baptized for the remission of your sins and to gain the gift of the Holy Ghost.
I wouldn’t dare make a judgement call on another. That would make me a Pharisee. Pharisees were good people. They thought they had all the t’s crossed. They followed all the Jewish laws but they were lost. Why? They failed to see God, when He stood right before them!
Johnathan Cahn is just a man. But like our President Trump, who is just a man also, they are both being used by God to send us a message. We ARE living in the end days. Let those with ears hear. Let those who cleave to God and deny their self righteousness learn the truth and know our only one God. The Holy trinity.
May God bless you and may you please open your eyes to truth and look in the mirror. Perhaps there you will find the piece of clay you need to be working on. I had to do this and it’s hard, especially when you think you know all the answers. It’s harder for them than anyone else.
Christ didn’t just go to those who were saved but He reached out to those who were unsaved. What better place for God to place his tools (the men who have voiced proclaiming His word) than on shows, who have audiences that might be unsaved.
Please don’t be a stiff neck. I’m very familiar with stiff necks. Until they look in the mirror and start criticizing themselves , their clay, will never be workable. It’s hard. It’s really hard to do. But if you call upon the Lord, He will help you. He did me. Now I can’t absorb enough of His word. Only wish I had started earlier in life. I will educate myself on as many voices proclaiming my God, as possible. If I see one off track, I pray for them. There is nothing stronger than prayer. That is…if you truly believe…
God Bless
Dear Jane
You said “You said our first President was a free Mason and prayed to Satan? This is a lie.”
Really can you prove I am lying? Or can I prove you are deceived? Let me show you:
FREEMASONS ARE SATANISTS. FREEMASONS WORSHIP LUCIFER. Stop reading a Jewish Rabbi by the name of Jonathan Cahn who is a FREEMASON.
You said “I’ve read all of Johnathan Cahn’s books. I am a biblical scholar and follower of truth. I study scripture 4-5 hours every day! Do you?’
Whoohooooo 4-5 hours a day??? Tell me, are you born again, do you have the Holy Spirit to lead you into all truth…or are you just someone who studies for 4-5 hours a day “Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.” (2 Timothy 3:7)
You said “I noticed in your writing, you made some judgement calls on Glen Beck and his religion. I’m not a Mormon, I am a true Christian that walks with Christ daily. I may have my personal opinions but I would never make a judgement call on these people. Let me rephrase that. Since I’ve been saved, I’ll not make a judgement call on the Mormons.”
That’s incredible…you wont judge anyone else, not a simgle person accoring to you…no mormon, not even the Pope…not a single person, but you judge me. You went out of your way to call me a liar, falsely accusing me in fact. What would you have said to the Apostle Peter when he openly declared Simon Peter Magus a FALSE CHRISTIAN, a liar, a deceiver, a sorcerer… Acts 8:9–24. What would you have said Jane? Humor me.
Let’s see what the Bible says regarding judging and testing, instead of what ‘Jane’ says shall we?
4) Please read: Testing the Spirits – True Spiritual Discernment
Dear Jane
Oh one last VERY important thing, you said “The scriptures tell us that all who have called upon the Lord thy God shall be saved. Scriptures then goes on to tell us in detail what Christ told His disciples to do to be Saved and have life everlasting. Accept Christ as your Lord and Savior, repent of your sins (turn away from them) be baptized for the remission of your sins and to gain the gift of the Holy Ghost.’ [Emphasis added by DTW]
You get baptized for the remission of your sins? Really now?
Tell me Jane, the reason why you wont judge a Mormon is because…you are one yourself?
LDS book of Moroni chapter 8:11 “And their little a children need no repentance, neither baptism. Behold, baptism is unto repentance to the fulfilling the commandments unto the remission of sins.”
:clap: david Hornstein wrote:
I agree with you.
Christians need to wake up. They are missing the revival that is going on.
The Father is bringing restoration.
Everyone should see Identity Crisis by James Staley and Joseph Dumond’s teaching on the 10 lost Tribes. Where did those 10 tribes go when they were cast out of the land of Israel? What happened to their descendants?
The United States in Menasheh/Menasseh. Britain and all her former/current territories is Ephraim. France is Reuben. Germany is Gad. South Africa is Asher. And so on…
The reasons christians don’t know the full truth is that they were kept from knowing the Name of the Creator, the Name of the Messiah (the real name), and from knowing the front of the book and how they are the lost sheep of the House of Israel. Read, study the whole book, from the front to the back. Get a restored name translation. And, let YaHuWaH teach you by His Ruach HaQodesh.
Dear Darla
I am formulating a comment for you, please don’t think you have not been heard, I heard you. I have a few pertinent questions for you to answer.
Dear Darla
You said “Christians need to wake up. They are missing the revival that is going on.”
If a Christian is born again, saved, what revival are you then speaking about? What MORE do I need to KNOW to add to my salvation, that will make me MORE saved than I already am? I know I am a Gentile saved by Grace. I do not need to go back to Law and put myself under a curse.
Tell me do you study the Kaballah, and why is God’s name a ‘secret’ on your website that you need a password to enter the article? Is it only for the initiated that you then get access to God’s name?
Bible says: Luke 8:17 (KJV) 17 For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.
You do now that the Rauch is the Kabbalah version of the ‘Holy Spirit’ that awakens your mind to all sorts of forbidden knowledge?
If your accusations are true, how do you explain the numbers, the dates, and the events recorded in actual history? You could easily refute Cahn if one of the these were not true. I did not read one fact that Cahn stated in dates or events that was not true. How do you reconcile the fact that in Mysteries, each day is given with scripture backing? I always look at the fruit, and the fruit of your article is not informative, it is pharaseeish, and hateful.
Larry
You are the one who is being hateful. Replacement Theology (the belief that America has replaced Israel and is now the new Israel, in the sense of God having made a similar covenant with America) brings into play the curse in Genesis 12:3, “And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.” The slightest effort to deviate from God’s covenant with Israel and apply it to any other nation, is not only hatred of Israel but also of God who made the covenant. And by the way, Cahn’s description of how to be saved is totally unbiblical.
Larry
Dave James, who is the author of The Harbinger: Fact or Fiction? and Biblical Guide to the Shemitah and the Blood Moons, wrote:
If somebody in the Old Testament – let’s say that 999 times out of 1,000 they got it right, simply because they were good guessers, or they knew human nature, whatever; Solomon said, “There’s nothing new under the sun.” There are things that repeat, and you and I can say to one of our kids, for example, “If you do this, I can promise you that this is going to happen,” that doesn’t make us a prophet. But the point is this: if somebody got it right 999 times out of 1,000, but one time – even one time – they got it wrong, you would end up dead, according to the law of Moses, because there was no room for somebody to miss even one prophecy! And yet, we have guys today, like Jonathan Cahn and those who are actually helping and promoting him, who get things wrong consistently. In fact, you can even find it in writing where people like John Wimber would say, “If somebody today – a prophet today – gets it right 50 percent of the time, he’s a good prophet.” Well, in the Scriptures, that would cost you your life! So this is serious business.
He continues to say:
those who have him on their program [Charisma Media], whether it be Sid Roth, or Jim Bakker, they’re promoting this, and they have figured out a formula that I call, and maybe you’ve called it this as well, the “Wow” factor. You can dazzle people with the “Wow” factor, and when you hit on a couple of things where people go “Wow! That has to be beyond coincidence. God must involved,” you’ve caught them. And in fact, in my book, when I responded to The Harbinger in my book, The Harbinger: Fact or Fiction?, I used two illustrations from history. There was a book that came out prior to the sinking of The Titanic, and the parallels in this novel were stunningly close to what actually happened many years later – a number of years later (a couple decades, I think) – with the sinking of The Titanic.
And then people have also pointed out, too, the parallels between Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy. And if you read these things, you’d think, “Wow! This is amazing!” But they don’t tell you the things where there was no match, and so this “Wow” factor causes people to, honestly…they check their brains at the door. And the other thing that I think is so important in this whole issue is: when I teach my students, it’s not just that I’m teaching you the material. I’m teaching you both how to teach the material – the biblical material – and I’m also teaching you a method of biblical interpretation. So, when Jonathan Cahn and others start drawing these parallels and saying, “This is the way you handle and interpret the Word of God,” they’re teaching a method of interpretation, and so this actually multiplied this false-prophecy and false-teacher factor, because you’re actually engaging a whole generation of people to change the way they’re actually understanding the Word of God.
Jonathan Cahn, like all the others, Jim Bakker, Sid Roth, and Charisma Media are all false prophets and only in it for the money.
Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers. For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake. (Tit 1:9-11)
1st Thes 5:20
I promise you Jonathan Cahn is legit. His primary message is: “You must be born again.” Harbingers, Isaiah 9:10, Paradigm of the kings us absolutely mind blowing. They come with two conclusions: 1. Romans 1:16 and 2. These are the days of Elijah (stand on the truth).
Take a deep breath, take your time, and re-examine his work. I promise you will absolutely be blessed. God bless you.
Dear Wayne
You said “I promise you Jonathan Cahn is legit”
And I must believe you because you say so? The evidence that Johanthan Cahn is overwelmingly false far out weighs the so called truth he speaks. For instance, TB Joshua too tells you that ‘you must be born again’. Benny Hinn too says ‘you must be born again’. The difference between a false prophet who says ‘you must be born again’ vs. a true man of God who says “you must be born again” is that the TRUE MAN OF GOD speaks the truth and nothing but the Godly truth, not a tad of truth mixed with a whole bunch of error. Wake up Wayne, you are been taken for a fool.
You said “Take a deep breath, take your time, and re-examine his work. I promise you will absolutely be blessed. God bless you.”
I don’t have to re-examine his work when the ERRORS are so glaringly obvious. How about you PRAY (instead of take a breath) and re-examine his work so that the Holy Spirit can show you the errors; that is a true blessing – to be ripped out of a false teachers grasp.
Jonathan Cahn is teaching Gentiles the Kabbalah.
Deborah thank you for fighting the good fight. You are a true blessing. I hope you and Dave are well. -Eric Miller
Hi Eric
I think you have me mixed up with David and Deborah Dombrowski from Lighthouse Trails. As much as I like LHT, I am not Deborah Dombrowski, I am Deborah Ellish from South Africa, and Tom Lessing the other admin and writer here on Discerning the World is from South Africa too.
But thank you never the less for your comment :yay:
Oh yes I sure did 😀 sounded so much like her! Regardless, thank you for your dedication to defending the Gospel. It is getting much more of a challenge to take a stand for truth these days. As you and I both know, we should not be surprised. I will be praying for your ministry and for God to continue to give you wisdom. Thanks again -Eric Miller
Dear Eric :hi:
No worries, glad you found us :thumbsup: and thank you for praying for us – we certainly need it in this day and age. The attacks against the gospel are getting so severe I ponder what could happen next…oh wait… a new book is out just out hot off the press on the Nephilim :horrified:
WHAT? Nephilim? Not again!!! Who’s going to conduct the marriages between demons and earthly women? “I now pronounce you Nephilim and wife.”
It’s true, I tell you…
I think the pastor who conducts the marriages is Ryan Pitterson the writer of the book, a possible Nephilim himself. I mean goodness who knows who could be a Reptillian nowadays under that human outfit.
I wonder how they tell who is Nephilim and who isn’t? If you are taller than the average person? If you are stronger than the average person? If you look like George Soros, or the Queen of England. Oh gosh…. how to tell? :wonder: I am sure there will be a blood test out one of these days to determine if you are a Nephilim :laugh:
Ryan Pitterson says
So it wasn’t Noah’s faith in God that saved him, no no…says Pitterson it was because they had uncorrupted DNA.
Now I have heard it all…
So no longer is it demon possession, it’s DNA possession. :dazed:
And look who is promoting this book? Prophecy News Watch – Koinonia House’s (Chuck Missler et al) shadow prophecy news channel run by an ex-employee Kade Hawkins.
I am the Alpha light. Cahn also says “From the beginning of creation to the incarnation and the resurrection
Jonathon Chan never says this in that video you are clearly lying. Don’t believe Deborah people. click the videos people you will see for yourself
Dear Damien
Jonathan Cahn’s summary of his video says
No it does not, it begins with the WORD. Light does not have the power to change anything, but Jesus Christ who is the WORD, oh yes, HE HAS THE POWER to change everything.
There are no secrets in the gospel, nothing hidden, so why must we learn the ‘secret’ of this Alpha light?
This is what Kabbalists have to say about the Alpha light
This light according to occultists is the supposed “divine light” or “divine spark” we all have inside of us for us to nurture and set ablaze as we realise that we are in fact gods – this is a lie from the pit of hell.
I came to this site out of curiosity. I enjoy moving through different Christian sites to learn, enjoy, and read different opinions. Of all the different sites I have been on, I have never read more angry, hateful, self righteous crap being spewed by Christians at Christians. I will never return. :nope:
Jesus Christ said, “I am the Way, the TRUTH and the Life.” Are you going to say to Him, “I will never return?”
You are being very subjective by not giving us any reasons to believe we are wrong.
Rose
Awwwww…look how sweet and lovable of Rose to spew her “angry, hateful, self righteous crap” at us. You prefer sites it seems where everyone is in UNITY no matter what doctrine is spewed out of so called ‘Christian’ people’s mouths.
As Tom said, you didn’t give us a reason why we are wrong, but I can guess that you are a Jonathan Cahn follower and you are upset we have exposed him.
Jonathan Cahn, was a true minister of Righteousness when he was first called into the ministry of the Gospel of our Lord and Savour Jesus Christ. Unfortunately, like many, Cahn looked in the mirror one too many times and fell in love with himself and the desire for money. This is not an isolated incident as many Pastors today love their ministry and position above the Truth of Gods Word and sell themselves out to be applauded, praised and to make a name for themselves as well as get fat off of the flock. American Christianity, for the most part, does not reflect the Teachings of Christ most especially, when it comes to the Body of Christ (I am NOT talking about Catholicism which is the Harlot with many children) = church buildings are not Churches of Christ, they are businesses built and established by men and for man, not God.
I would also point out that the Apostle Paul clearly spelled out for us that the Rapture will not occur until the Man of Sin is Revealed ( II Thes. Ch 2). As far as the Tribulation is concerned for Us who are covered and washed in the Blood of the Lamb, the Tribulation Period began 2000 Years ago when Christ told us that ” If they hated Me they will hate you also who believe” along with Peter and Paul admonishing us that “Through many tribulations we must enter the Kingdom of God” ( Acts 14:22) and “Grow in Christ” ( I Peter 1:6-7).
Those who worship Pre-Trib Dogma do so against Scripture. The Rapture will come to us just as Jesus, Paul, John, Peter and the Prophets ( Daniel, Elijah) have foretold. Pray for Jonathan Cahn to be delivered from :hi: the deception of Pride. Please pray for me as I am a Father/Husband going through very hard trials that have me in ‘Job like’ unexplained sufferings. God Bless and thank you, David K in NJ
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I have three questions and they are not all related to Jonathon Cahn.
1) Have you read the following books: Sitting at The Feet Of Rabbi Jesus, Walking in the Dust if Rabbi Jesus, and Reading the Bible with Rabbi Jesus by Lois Tverberg , and if so, any comments?
2) You seem to have major concerns about people who are Catholic even tho they are Christians. Are they not?
3) I “discern” you have major concerns about Jonathon Cahn’s teachings, but have you had contact with him to discuss many things he is verbalizing in his books, videos, etc. it would be interesting to you debate him. Like the political debates 😉
That is all for now?
Hi Jacki
1) I personally haven’t read any of Lois Tverberg’s books. A cursory examination on the Internet left me with the impression that she wants to make us believe that Christianity throughout the ages never got it right because they never understood the Jewish context of Jesus’ words.
For instance, in her book, “Walking in the Dust of Rabbi Jesus,” she explains the significance of the word Shema and makes it a starting point for understanding Yeshua who said, “For him who has ears to hear.” She explains to readers who may be unaware of the significance of “hear in order to obey” as a key to following Yeshua. From there she proceeds to the “love God” command and adds depth from the Jewish practice of looking for meaning in the exact working of Torah. She draws on the mystery of the final word in the love God command, which might be rendered love God “with all your muchness.” She points out that we do not have to choose between three interpretations, but can accept all three as layers: with all your strength, with all your intelligence, and also with all your increase (meaning income, so that you love God by giving to those in need).
Giving to the poor is indeed a wonderful thing but it does not prove that you love God. Paul said: “And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.” (1 Corinthians 13:3). She says that Jesus’ words can change your life. If that was true, why did the nation of Israel, whose had his words for centuries, reject their own Messiah? His words alone can not save or change your life. It is faith in Him and his words that save and change you. Many so-called Christians, among them Roman Catholics and the Emergent church, believe they only need to emulate Him and his words and to follow Him in the dust to be changed. You may as well sit at the feet at an Eastern mystic guru’s feet and follow him in the dust; it won’t benefit you one single bit.
Roman Catholics, like so many billions of other people, are only Christians in name because they have a different gospel. I know of several ex-Roman Catholics who got saved but left their church because they could no longer go along with their doctrines of demons. (Revelation 19:4).
Jonathan Cahn can read, can’t he? Let him read the articles DTW has written about him to warn the Bride of Christ.
Dear Jacki J
I do believe Johnathan Cahn has read this article as he did a youtube video where he lambasted websites (no names mentioned) for speaking out against him. And he made a point of mentioning something that I said in this article that is not mentioned on any other article on the internet. I had a seriously good chuckle, as I immediately realised it was DTW he was referring too.
If you feel he has not seen this article that appears in Google search when you search for his name, then please by all means do your duty and inform him and send him the link.
Dear David
You said “Jonathan Cahn, was a true minister of Righteousness”
Ok I have to ask, so you’re saying he was born again (a minister of Righteousness) in the beginning, and then he lost his salvation (and became Satan’s minister 2 Cor 11:13-15) after becoming greedy?
You said “Those who worship Pre-Trib Dogma do so against Scripture.”
No we worship Jesus Christ.
But let’s throw your comment back at you…so you worship non pre-trib dogma right? righttt…
I see you too believe the church has to be purified, tried by fire as it were… Can you explain this doctrine of purification to me please? 🙂
Deborah,
I do not know Jonathan Cahn personally. Do you know him personally? I am aware of but not too familiar with what he has said and taught with regards to the Harbinger and the Shemitah. Is the purpose of your article to discredit, Jonathan Cahn?
You make some statements I would like to further explore:
Who do we as Christian know that delve into Gnostic teachings such as the Kabbalah etc? Freemasons of course. Is Jonathan Cahn a Freemason? A picture is worth a thousand words:
Do you need some more proof? The picture below shows Jonathan Cahn showing the Hebrew letter for Shin ( ש) hand sign in Kabbalah, made popular by Dr Spok in Star Trek also known as the Vulcan salute.
Where did you get your information? I like to know these things before I consider sharing posts/articles/blogs etc. with others.
Thank you and best regards.
YSIC
Dear Dawn
I do not know you and you don’t know me personally either. Everything I believe is on this website for all to read and scrutinize.
Just as you speak to me using the internet, I speak to you using the internet and get all my info from the internet, that includes: Jonathan Cahn’s youtube videos and website.
The purpose of my article is to EXPOSE a false teacher, so having said that…
Let me ask more pressing questions shall we, because of the 203 comments so far, pretty much everyone (including you) that has commented has ignored these few VERY IMPORTANT things (way more important than the TWO pictures of Johnathan Cahn using masonic hand-signs) and this I find utterly fascinating. So I should like to ask you what you think.
Let’s start:
1) Do you agree with his use of the Zohar (the Kabbalah which is occult) to explain scripture – see video?
2) Do you agree with his doctrine on “State of Onement” – see video?
3) Do you agree with his doctrine of “The Alpha Light” – see video?
While we are at it, do you agree with the giant statue of Jesus (0.25 seconds) shown to Johnathan Cahn and he says “THANK YOU” on the Jim Bakker show? (See video below). Jim Bakker is a false teacher too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6uMr8ZZbwE
GRAVEN IMAGE (IDOL):
Exodus 20:4-6 “4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.”
Deuteronomy 4:16-18 “16Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female, 17The likeness of any beast that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged fowl that flieth in the air, 18The likeness of any thing that creepeth on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth:”
Leviticus 26:1 “Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.”
Isaiah 42:8 “I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.”
In fact if you look on youtube it looks like Johnathan Cahn has appeared on pretty much every false teachers TV show. Jonathan Cahn appeared on Pat Robertson’s show multiple times. (Pat Robertson is a Freemason). There is even a video of Jonathan Cahn giving Pat Robertson a masonic handshake and calling him ‘brother’ – but right now I’m having a problem finding that video…oh well, it will show up when I am probably not looking for it.
I would like to add that false teachers preach a lot of truth, so does Jonathan Cahn, listening to him and his history lessons can be quite entertaining and this is where he catches people, they think “this guy speaks so much truth, he must be a man from God” and then Jonathan Cahn slips in his false teachings that end up leading people down a very wide path.
Hebrew Roots teaching is false teaching. Hebrew roots teaches that if you don’t go back to the Jewish root of things, you won’t make it to heaven, you are missing out, your salvation is worthless.
It would be so much easier for everyone in the church if false teachers walked in with hats saying “I’m a false teacher”. But that will never be the case, hence we as Christians have to do our own investigations, “test the spirits” (1 John 4: 1-6) especially into what they preach – does it line up with scripture.
Kenneth Copeland is a 33 degree Freemason and is right up there with some of the most heinous false teachers I know to date.
See article on the UNIVERSAL Menorah: https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/08/21/why-would-a-christian-use-a-menorah/
And just in case you think Jonathan Cahn did that Shin (ש) sign which is a the mystic hand-sign for all Rabbis by accident, here we have it again…
Matt 23:1-8 (KJV)
1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. 4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. 5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, 6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, 7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. 8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
What is this “and enlarge the borders of their garments”?
G2899 κράσπεδον kraspedon (kra’-spe-d̮on) n.
1. a margin.
2. (specially) , a fringe or tassel.
Unfortunately, most of the scriptures you use are taken sorely out of context. Honestly, I don’t have an opinion about him because I’ve not heard him speak yet. But, the way you have misinterpreted scriptures makes me call into question your interpretation of what he has taught and whether or not you truly understand truth of what is and is not said. You even contradict yourself so much, I became frustrated halfway through the article. You could be right about this guy, but your argument against him is weak with poorly understood theology. Thus, I will be researching, reading and listening to him and making decisions for myself (as everyone should do in the first place anyway). Your article just caused me to realize that I need to study this for myself.
Note: To make yourself more believable…be sure of your facts BEFORE printing them in your articles. Make sure you are printing truth or you end up discrediting your entire article.
IE:
TBN stands for Trinity Broadcasting Network and is a Nondenominational Christian programming station around the clock and has no factual evidence linking it to the Vatican. I might have taken this statement for granted and believed you without checking facts if you had rather said EWTN and stands for Eternal World Television Network which is around the clock Catholic programming.
If you respond, be sure you use factual response to my comment and not just attacking my position of standing on facts and truth of rightly divided scriptures. I noticed in the comments I have read that you ring of pleasantries when someone agreed and hatred and general statement of displeasure when someone doesn’t agree. I look only for intelligent conversation (even if I disagree) and you should also, if you are in fact a true journalist. Don’t heave general insults…I’d rather you come back with specific facts backing your position than to just say that I’m drowning in lies basically. (Remember, I don’t have a position on this man for myself yet, and you may sway my decision with factual truth.) Make sure not to use the same argument against him as in this article as I have fact checked much of it and found most of it untrue. Make sure you rightly divide the Word of God and not use scriptures out of context, also. Thanks.
Tawnia
Would you mind giving us examples where the author took scripture sorely out of context?
TBN’s affection for the Vatican is nothing compared to their affinity for Islam.
https://www.thebereancall.org/content/tbn-islam
Is this the way you would want to evangelize the world?
https://www.thebereancall.org/content/evangelizing-world
Dear Tawnia
Oh my goodness, the horror!! Of being told one has taken scripture out of context and then not told what scripture it is that was taken out of context! Was there one to start off with? :nope: I don’t think so. Otherwise you ‘the good steward that you are‘ would have told us what it is Right? And given us the correct interpretation, Right?
You said “I have fact checked much of it and found most of it untrue”
TBN stands for Trinity Broadcasting Network and is a shadow organisation run by the Vatican.
Your fact checking leaves little to be desired.
Look at all this shocking proof that TBN is a Vatican organisation:
Paul Crouch can’t wait to shake the Pope’s hand.
Crowned MARY on 2nd floor of TBN Headquarters – Costa Mesa, California
TBN – Statue of Mary close up
TBN – Endorsement by Mother Theresa
See more here: http://spiritual-research-network.blogspot.com/2005/12/inside-trinity-brodcasting-network.html
Paul Crouch can’t wait to shake the Pope’s hand.
I am a born again believer contending for the faith once delivered to the saints.
Jude 1:3 “Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.”
You said “I have fact checked much of it and found most of it untrue. Make sure you rightly divide the Word of God and not use scriptures out of context, also.”
Oh so you agree with everything the article, inducing the following:
1) Do you agree with his use of the Zohar (the Kabbalah which is occult) to explain scripture – see video?
2) Do you agree with his doctrine on “State of Onement” – see video?
3) Do you agree with his doctrine of “The Alpha Light” – see video?
While we are at it, do you agree with the giant statue of Jesus (0.25 seconds) shown to Johnathan Cahn and he says “THANK YOU” on the Jim Bakker show? (See video below). Jim Bakker is a false teacher too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6uMr8ZZbwE
Just read all of my comment to Dawns which is above yours: https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2015/07/15/why-jonathan-cahn-and-his-revelations-must-be-ignored/#comment-484732
And I would have to call you a liar, because you actually lied. You state that I “heave general insults” Really? Show me one, just one. And you accuse me of twisting scripture without any evidence, which I have not. I am not going to call evil good and good evil. I’ve noticed it’s the new tactic of the enemy to come lately in with ‘fly by night comments’ and accuse us without an ounce of proof, this so called “fact checking, fake news rubbish.”
You are what’s called a Troll;
And I would love you to give an answer to Tom’s question regarding TBN and Islam. https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2015/07/15/why-jonathan-cahn-and-his-revelations-must-be-ignored/#comment-484742
Deborah,
Responding to your: 9 September, 2018 at 1:12 am reply. Let me say, I did not ignore any part of what you so meticulously documented in your article. Because I did not touch upon or address what you feel was most important, or ask questions you wanted me to ask, does not mean I ignored anything. I feel you were presumptuous to say so. I come from an analyst background. Our #1 guideline is this– just because it is on the internet, does not make it true. As an analyst, we go straight to what could be deemed conjecture, opinion, or supposition, and we determine if there is any basis, or solid evidence. I did not necessarily discount or disagree with everything else you wrote, but as an analyst I did what I am trained to do. If there is even one claim or statement that is false, the rest of what is written becomes suspect. I am sure you understand. So, I cut right to it and honed in on those two things. Without me having to ask, you confirmed what I suspected when you said, “…I speak to you using the internet and get all my info from the internet…”
You may not care to post my reply but at least you will read this in private.
To answer your questions:
1) Do you agree with his use of the Zohar (the Kabbalah which is occult) to explain scripture – see video? Do not need to watch the video. Answer: NO
2) Do you agree with his doctrine on “State of Onement” – see video? Do not need to watch the video. Answer: NO, if it is not in the Bible, I do not agree. I do believe we are One with Him through His Son’s death and resurrection, and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
3) Do you agree with his doctrine of “The Alpha Light” – see video? Do not need to watch the video. Answer: NO, if it is not in the Bible, I do not agree.
I do not know Tawnia, and although I was not surprised by her scrutiny and criticisms, I was however surprised by your reaction. You called her a liar in a public forum. As a Christian, how does that set US apart from the rest of the world? How does that demonstrate WE are different from any of the unsaved people out there who hurl insults?
1 Peter 3:8-12
8 To sum up, all of you be harmonious, sympathetic, brotherly, kindhearted, and humble in spirit; 9 not returning evil for evil or insult for insult, but giving a blessing instead…
Ephesians 4:29-32
29 Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. 32 Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.
Where is the love of Christ in calling someone a liar because they disagree with you– accuse you even? WE are supposed to be better than that. WE are supposed to set ourselves apart. WE must be an example for others to follow because WE are ambassadors for Christ 24x7x365. While I admire your monumental efforts to expose false teachers, and actually agree with much of what you wrote, I am discouraged… and disappointed. All these scriptures about love…
John 13:34-35
34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. 35 By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
1 Corinthians 13:2, 4-7
2 If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.
4 Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, 5 does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, 6 does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
I have a question for you. Is there genuine love in your heart when you reply– even to those who disagree with you?
YSIC
Dawn quoted:
1 Peter 3:8-12
8 To sum up, all of you be harmonious, sympathetic, brotherly, kindhearted, and humble in spirit; 9 not returning evil for evil or insult for insult, but giving a blessing instead…
This is also in the Bible, Dawn.
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. (John 8:44)
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. (Matthew 16:23)
Guess who said this, Dawn.
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. (Galatians 1:8-10).
Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever. (Jude 1:11-13).
I have a question for you. Is there genuine love in your heart for Jesus, Paul and Jude who said these “harsh and unloving” words, Dawn?
The Kabbalah is Pharisee heresy, Dawn.
Dear Dawn
You said “So, I cut right to it and honed in on those two things. Without me having to ask, you confirmed what I suspected when you said, “…I speak to you using the internet and get all my info from the internet…”” [Emphasis added]
I just love how you ‘tried’ to go straight for the jugular vein, Dawn. But missed. You came here to fight didn’t you? Oh yes youuuuu did! You had it confirmed in your mind long before you even started to write your comment. You had it all planned out didn’t you. Sneaky Sneaky. You ignored my entire comment proving my point that you asked me to prove, and then you were thinking to yourself; ‘Ohhhhhh yippeee, I got her cornered now, everything she says is on the internet and she gets all her info from the internet, so I’ll say to her “just because it is on the internet, does not make it true”‘ and then you throw in another supposedly cunning sidestep by referring to Tawnia’s comment that has nothing to do with your comment.
If someone lies then they are a liar right?
I am going to take a wild guess and say that you have never called anyone a liar in your entire life, even as a Christian you have never called anyone a liar? Right? Please tell me I am wrong. Or wait, you do everything in secret…?
But just wait, I’m going to get real honest with you now, seeing that you lack a certainly quality when it comes to being a Christian and that is called HONESTY.
You said “Where is the love of Christ in calling someone a liar because they disagree with you– accuse you even?”
You said it, where is the love in being an ACCUSER Dawn? You came here, of your own free will, on a public forum with the full intent to accuse me of lying, but not actually calling me the word ‘liar’. How sweet of you. You drip honey.
1Pet 5:8 (KJV)
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
What is the difference between accusing someone of lying or telling someone they are lying vs calling them a liar?
Must I instead say to make you feel better about yourself, “You are not telling the truth”, or “Why are you not telling the truth?” or “Why are you accusing me of not telling the truth?” or “What are you accusing me of, lying?” or “Why are you lying”, or…
You said “just because it is on the internet, does not make it true.”
Well Dawn, if your No.1 Guideline to your school taught ‘analysis’ is true then your comment that you typed that is on the internet and everything you say everywhere, books included, notes on paper, even real life thoughts (because you typed your comment in real life using the internet and submitted your thoughts via bits and bytes onto black and white screens), could be one big lie. In fact I don’t believe a word of what you said.
Now, you have not proved me wrong on a single point in this article. In fact you possibly ‘don’t even exist’ according to your school taught No.1 Guideline.
I use what is called BIBLICAL DISCERNMENT that comes by the Holy Spirit.
Hebrews 5:14 “But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil.”
Wisdom and discernment come from seeking the Lord and His will for our lives.
So Dawn this is what you do:
James 1:5 “If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him.”
Proverbs 3:13 “Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.”
You said “As a Christian, how does that set US apart from the rest of the world?”
Do you know what set us apart from the rest of the world Dawn? THE TRUTH and nothing but the TRUTH (John 14:6).
If I told you that Johnathan Cahn was a man of God instead of the truth: that he is a Pharisee, or that TBN was a Christian TV instead of the truth: that it’s part of Vatican II Evangelization program to draw the world back to the Vatican. I would be leading you and everyone astray, your blood would be on my hands (Ezekiel 3:18-21) and I would be found by God to be a liar.
1 John 3:18 “My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.”
Lastly…to prove you are 100% suspect in your thoughts, words and the reasons why you came here to comment in the first place, based on your reasoning that “If there is even one claim or statement that is false, the rest of what is written becomes suspect.”
You said “Without me having to ask, you confirmed what I suspected…”
Actually I am sorry to say this Dawn, but you lied. Your statement is false. You did ask me!
you said; “Where did you get your information? I like to know these things before I consider sharing posts/articles/blogs etc. with others.” [Emphasis added]
PS; You say ‘YSIC’ at the end of your comments. I would be careful who I go around calling ‘Your Sister in Christ’ on the internet, because based on your No.1 Guideline “just because it is on the internet, does not make it true.”
For some strange reason the comment section was closed on all articles older than 28 days, I’ve opened them again. We’ve had this glitch before I have no idea why it closes the comments.
[DELETED By DTW – Dear Dawn, coming back using another name with another email address is lying. Try not lie again, I know it appears to be difficult for you, but ask God to help you stop. I will pray for you too.]
You seem very defensive when people say you are a bit bitter. You come off very angry. Just saying. To tell people to move along if they don’t agree or if they find some claims in your article questionable you attack them and practically call them stupid. Wow. This is shocking how agressive you are. Did you really call someone a troll and a liar? You call others false teachers but not yourself?
HI Natalie,
We wouldn’t mind being called false teachers if you can prove from Scripture that we are. I assume you have children. What would you do if they were on a path leading to a huge and very dangerous cliff which may cause their death if they continued on their dangerous path? Are you going to warn them or encourage them to continue on their path because you love them so much?
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. (Proverbs 14:12).
No, Natalie, we are not bitter and neither are we aggressive. We are deeply concerned about people like you (and whose children may be on the wrong path) to warn them before it is too late.
Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman: If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people; Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head. He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul. But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman’s hand. (Ezekiel 33:2-6).
Are you a watchman for your children, friends, and family, Natalie?
Dear Natalie
When people tell me I am lying without proof, yes I get upset, you would too 🙂 So tell me Natalie, instead of accusing me for nothing, because you have not told me where I have lied in my article. Try come back in your next comment and prove to me I have spoken falsely regarding Jonathn Cahn, someone whom you agree with I would imagine, otherwise there would be no reason for you to comment.
You said “Did you really call someone a troll and a liar?”
Yes I did, what a shocker in this day and age of ‘positive thought and positive thinking’. Natalie, are you telling me you have never called anyone a liar before? Please tell me I am wrong.
The bible calls people for what they are; liars, if they lie. The bible doesn’t call them ‘tellers of the almighty truth’ if they preaching falsely. That would be schizophrenia.
Proverbs 6:16-19 16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: 17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, 19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
You said “You call others false teachers but not yourself?”
Um, no, that would be silly, that’s what you are here for 🙂
I always wonder (when we get hit and runners like Natalie) if they really read the article or at least do their own research and study?
I wonder if they know that the result of being ignorant and deceived by false teachers or false prophets is not a pleasant one.
“And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel. And they shall bear the punishment of their iniquity: the punishment of the prophet shall be even as the punishment of him that seeketh unto him;”
—Ezekiel 14:9-10
“Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.”
—Matthew 14:15
Critiquing you, Deborah Ellish, so as you judge Jonathan Cahn, so too will you be judged (critiqued.). I am not going to debate you on all your oppositions to Jonathan Cahn, but for example, in your VERY FIRST paragraph you criticize him for calling himself a rabbi based on Matthew 23:8. Yet, I would bet you have called the male person who helped in your conception and probably helped raise you, “father.” You left out, “And call no man father….” One finger points condemningly at Jonathan Cahn or any person we call “rabbi” while three fingers point at you. If you have not called your paternal parent “father,” then I apologize for presuming such. Acts 2:17 Don’t be among those who fall away when they are not raptured out prior to the Anti Christ’s/Satan’s wrath…those that endure to the end will be saved. Hang on until the “last trump”. … and it’s probably not Donald.
Sharon,
I really think you should study your Bible more carefully. It will help you not to make such silly and childish remarks. Jesus commanded children to honor their father and mother (Matthew 15:4; 19:19; Mark 7:10; 10:19; Luke 18:20; Ephesians 6:2). He would never have referred to paternal parents as “father and mother” if He did not want the children to call them so. He clearly did not have the abovementioned command in mind when He said that we should call no one father or rabbi. The context in Matthew 23:8-9 is the church and not a biological family unit. It is in the context of the church, where everyone is equal, that we may not call anyone father or rabbi. I won’t respond to your equally childish view of Acts 2:17. It will only be a waste of time and impound your foolishness. Your failure to understand Matthew 23:8-9 shows that you won’t understand Acts 2:17.
I was wondering who the author of this article is because there must be more to her name than “Deborah”. My point in mentioning this is to make sure I can direct this message to the real person who authored this article about Jonathan Cahn back in 2015. There is no joining this DTW website that I can see, just commenting. Having said that, I just want to say that I have followed some Jonathan Cahn teachings and interviews via the internet. I have found his comparisons of some of the kings and queens in ancient Israel, and the anti-GOD leadership that Israel went through in those days, to the modern day versions of the aforementioned, to be a fascinating discovery. If someone wants to critique those findings, as a member of the online community, you have the freedom to do or not do so. The integrity of Jonathon Cahn, the coincidental liking of the hand gesturing to Spock from Star-trec, the free-mason posturing, the fringe of his garment being micro-analyzed, the realities of his appearing on some programming with questionable hosts, (shall I keep going?), seems to be an attempt for us to run away from what seems to be a valid interpretation and comparison from the fall of Israel to what the Satanic trend of the U.S.A. has been experiencing in the last 40 years. His message is not about himself. GOD can use the unlikely for His purposes. GOD is using the unlikely for His purposes. As a nation (not the individual) the U.S.A. is falling rapidly because of the Church not taking a stand against evil. You, Deborah, more than likely believe that, too. Whether the message comes from a Messianic Jew, or a Buddhist, or a Roman Catholic, or an Ohio hayseed hick like me, is immaterial. The Lord Jesus Christ, who is the only begotten Son of the living GOD, is our only hope and only way of salvation. The Apostle Paul said in Romans 10:13, “All who call upon the name of the LORD will be saved.” Jonathan Cahn teaches that Jesus is the Messiah. That really is the only thing that matters. Interpretation of everything else is just that. Interpretation. If I lead someone through the power of GOD’s Holy Spirit, to a saving reality with the LORD Jesus Christ, they can say anything about me that they want, or criticise any church house I go to, or poke fun of anything and everything I do, say, or act upon. It does not matter. I have given Jesus my soul. He is my Savior and my LORD. This is what Jonathan Cahn preaches. The rest is interpretation, or dare I say “opinion”.
Clarence Wiznuski wrote:
I just want to say that I have followed some Jonathan Cahn teachings and interviews via the internet. I have found his comparisons of some of the kings and queens in ancient Israel, and the anti-GOD leadership that Israel went through in those days, to the modern-day versions of the aforementioned, to be a fascinating discovery.
What is so impressive about that when you can find many things in the Old Testament that are comparable to some of the things happening today? For instance, here in South Africa the ANC Government has passed a law to grab white farmers’ land without compensation. It reminds of King Ahab and his wife Jezebel who murdered Naboth to grab his vineyard (1 Kings 21:1-16). At any rate, the rampant idolatry in churches throughout the world (not only America) is the spitting image of Israel’s idolatry in the Old Testament, from the worshiping of Molech (comparable with today’s abominable abortion laws) to the worship of the Queen of heaven (Roman Catholicism – Jeremiah 7:18; 44:17-19, 25).
King Solomon said there is no new thing under the sun (Ecclesiastes 1:9) and Jesus said a time is coming when it shall be as in the time of Noah. So, I really cannot understand why you are so excited about Jonathan Cahn and his teachings.
You wrote:
“The integrity of Jonathon Cahn, the coincidental liking of the hand gesturing to Spock from Star-trec, the free-mason posturing, the fringe of his garment being micro-analyzed, the realities of his appearing on some programming with questionable hosts, (shall I keep going?), seems to be an attempt for us to run away from what seems to be a valid interpretation and comparison from the fall of Israel to what the Satanic trend of the U.S.A. has been experiencing in the last 40 years.”
You seem to know very little about the dangers of the Jewish Kabbalah and its strong affiliation with Freemasonry. I suggest you read the following article.
https://www.thebereancall.org/content/april-2013-book-feature
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Kabbalah/jewish_cabala.htm
You wrote:
His message is not about himself. GOD can use the unlikely for His purposes. GOD is using the unlikely for His purposes. As a nation (not the individual) the U.S.A. is falling rapidly because of the Church not taking a stand against evil. You, Deborah, more than likely believe that, too. Whether the message comes from a Messianic Jew, or a Buddhist, or a Roman Catholic, or an Ohio hayseed hick like me, is immaterial.
Of course, God can use whomsoever He wishes to accomplish his purposes. However, these warnings in Scripture should be taken very seriously.
Galatians 1:8-9
2 Corinthians 11:13-14
2 John 9-11 (You are bidding Jonathan Cahn, a mystic and a Kabbalist God speed).
You wrote:
Jonathan Cahn teaches that Jesus is the Messiah. That really is the only thing that matters. Interpretation of everything else is just that. Interpretation.
The devil and his demons also acknowledge that Jesus Christ is the Son of God (God’s Messiah) and they tremble. I find your statements very disturbing. It seems that one just has to say “LORD, LORD” to make everything honkey-dory, no matter what they teach and how they interpret God’s Word. That’s wicked, to say the least (Matthew 7:21-23). According to you, false teachers may interpret the Word of God as they please and lead multitudes astray, just as long as they say, “Jesus is the Messiah.” Shame on you.
Tom, thankyou for the reply. I can only assume you directed the comment toward me, because you didn’t say who your comment was for. It may be just simply a public post reply for anyone to read.
This post was directed to “Deborah”. Who are you? Is Deborah no longer there? Does she hide her last name for security purposes?
I’d really rather get my scolding from her, thankyou.
To Clarence Wiznuski
How on earth can you not know to whom I addressed the comment when I explicitly mentioned your name right at the beginning, “Clarence Wiznuski wrote.” Have you forgotten what you have written in your comment so that I needed to be more specific? It does not mean that when you address your comment to a specific person that others may not respond to your comment. Who do you think you are?
By the way, when you introduce yourself to someone, do you always say “I am Clarence Wiznuski?” Or do you sometimes say “I am Clarence” for security purposes? It matters very little who scolds you. You may feel like a martyr when Deborah scolds you but that won’t even benefit you because you have made up your mind NOT to listen to God who warns you again and again in his Word against false teachers like Jonathan Cahn. You know who I am because my name is splashed all over the comments pages of this site.
Wow, Tom, what has you so angry? You must have some pre-conceived notions that I am your enemy. What is with the attitude? Is this website not in existence to disciple people who have questions? I am regretful that I bothered you with such assuming malice.
To Clarence Wiznuski.
You never asked questions. You made statements that are not in harmony with Scripture. Yes, and that angers me because your “God speed” attitude toward Jonathan Cahn misleads many into error. Instead of responding to my comments from Scripture, you go into “oh I feel so sorry for myself” and plead regret for bothering me. No, you are not my enemy but you are colluding with the enemy (Satan) when you support his so-called ministers of righteousness (2 Corinthians 11:14-15). You shouldn’t be regretful that you bothered me. You should be regretful about your mean and sarcastic attitude with Deborah.
You obviously cannot answer my comments from Scripture. Bye-bye.
I will be absolutely stunned if this post isn’t blocked, deleted, edited, censored. After all, it’s oposition and you people hate that.
I’ve been thinking that you have knee-jerk reacted easily to many questions being asked of you. Laymen see things that make sense to them
on television. A Jewish Rabbi named Jonathan Cahn is talking about a number of things that should show a rational thinking Christian, or any
one for that matter, that since Der Schlickmeister was voted into office in 1979, (governor of Arkansas) the U.S.A. has been
on a Satanic decline. The Old Testament tells of a pattern that we, as Americans, have seen acted out before our eyes, but not until after the fact.
Many, many things that were true of the King Ahab/Jezebel days of ancient history were models to what we have seen here in the U.S.A. Up until
the election of Donald Trump. Trump is being used of GOD to give my country a window of time to re-evaluate what it should have seen on 9-11-2001.
You and your colleague completely miss the point, and throw the baby out with the bath water. America is falling under GOD’s judgement
because as a nation, it has turned from GOD. Sacrificing it’s children to Baal. Like Israel did by the thousands, America has done by the millions.
Having politicians in the political landscape who have pushed abortion since the Clinton administration took office. Having a woman, former first
lady, be declared by planned parenthood as abortion activist of the century. Just like Jezebel, wife and queen of king Ahab, championed child
sacrifice in the arms of Baal. America has come under GOD’s judgement ,3 years to the day, after Bill Clinton publicly confessed his sin with Miss
Lewinski, the Satanist Muslim terrorists flew 4 airliners into several key spots of attack in my nation on 9-11-01. Have either one of you Africans
been familiarized with that event? Were either one of you old enough to remember it? Or was Africa consumed with it’s own stuff going on
at that time and you all didn’t notice. Perhaps this website didn’t even exist at that point in time, who knows.
Something else that bothers me is that, Tom and Deborah, the 2 of you seem curiously bothered by the Jewish people. Africans who are anti-semites. Israel is GOD’s people, is this not understood by you?
The point that Jonathan Cahn has been showing is just that. America is on the verge of losing the Christian reality that it had in it’s founding. No
one is saying it’s a 2nd Israel. If that was something that you 2 micro-analyzed a 3 hour video to find, plus the petty little Vulcan hand signal, which
in my opinion is probably something both of you have done without even realizing it. When a Jew is praying an Aaronic blessing over a group
of people singing in Hebrew, and all you get out of it is some hand signal code thing, then the both of you really need to re-evaluate your spiritual gifts.
If you think that America hasn’t fallen under GOD’s judgement, and what Jonathan Cahn has said is false, that every syllable from the time he
opened his mouth until the time that he closed it, should be ignored, then You, Tom, and your colleague, Deborah, must have peanut butter in your
ears…………………………………………………… “Why Jonathan Cahn and His Revelations Must be Ignored”…………………………………………………………………………
I think I understand now. You Africans think the U.S.A. is an illegitimate country and must fall and be judged, because the problems of the entire globe
is America’s fault. The freest most blessed of GOD country that has ever been brought into human existance, modeled after Israel (not the 2nd Israel)
moral example to the world, with all the help and aid and billions of dollars, military action, superpower status, and all the good that we’ve done.
Thousands upon thousands of people that came here to fulfill their dreams, and then, 1979 election puts the Satanist in power Bill Clinton. All of this
is just fine with you (that it all goes away), because, obviously, America stole it from every other nation on the planet, right?
The message that The Church needs to wake up, pull it’s collective head out of the dark, and take a stand for GOD, the Bible, righteous living, and prophecy
being fulfilled before our eyes. Return to GOD, return to the Lord Jesus Christ……………….is a message to be ignored, huh? Sad, sad, sad.
I could go on and on, just like you 2 long winded, white-washed sepulchers could, standing by yourselves in the Synagogue praying Luke 18:11
The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like the other men—swindlers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector.
In reply to Clarence Wiznuski
I think I understand now. You Africans think the U.S.A. is an illegitimate country and must fall and be judged, because the problems of the entire globe is America’s fault.
How do you expect Deborah and I to converse with you when you don’t even know what the difference is between Africans and South Africans?
I think you are confused. You and your prophet, Jonathan Kahn, are the ones judging America and not us.
Clarence, what a load of rubbish. the more you speak the more you expose yourself. It is so obvious how deceived America is.. You want to talk curses?
Isaiah 5:20 “Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil;”
:laugh: Tom you just seem to bring the “best” out of people…
Clarence what a load of rubbish… you are so deluded.
:laugh: – Tom you just seem to bring the best out of sheep.
Hi Robbie,
The “best” is what I usually aim to expose.
Thanks Tom for answering Sharon.
I wonder how many people are shaking their heads in total disbelief over this comment by Sharon…no wonder people are swept away by demons so easily.
Jewish/Judah is just one of 13 different tribes of Israel and also the name of the southern kingdom/house. All Jews are Israelites but not all Israelites are Jewish; just as all mustangs are horses but now all horses are mustangs.Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
Dear
You said
I’m presuming this was a type as there are 12 Hebrew tribes, not 13.
The argument with Vanessa is this; that she is a Gentile who wants to be Jewish.
When mankind is mean over the dogmatic argument of an angry and mean GOD,in the old testament vs: the LOVE/Eternity and all that comes out of the mouth of JESUS.That truth is simple enough for a child to see.Israel was the people to have the creator SON come into the world through,yet people still are hung up on the nation.When it`s all about Jesus, Israel is just another group now, the only holy thing ever come to earth,is CHRIST.Now there`s PROTESTANTS ,hate, Catholics, for hundreds of years.And mostly wasp`s hate any people that are not WHITE…tHE simple truth Jesus left with us Love our Creator, Love our fellow man, and LOVE/ETERNITY OR HATE/HELL….
Hi NOWMON.
Do you love lies? Of course, you don’t! That’s why you should hate lies like “Israel is just another group.” Listen to what Jesus says about people who curse Israel.
Are you a Roman Catholic? Like the UN, Pope Francis wants to divide Israel and Jerusalem between the so-called Palestinians and the Jews because he does not recognize it as the eternal capital of Israel.
catpat wrote:
:nod:
Dear Mara Sours
With all the evidence provided in the article and comments section that Johnathan Cahn is a Pharisee, a Freemason, a follower of the Roman Catholic Church, and showing you proof that Satan’s plans can and do come to pass because his henchmen make them come to pass, you still believe the devil and his lies. Is your heart so wicked that you prefer lies over truth or has God blinded you to the deception because you take pleasure in unrighteousness?
2Thess 2:9-12 (KJV)
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Mara, WAIT!! – here is a prophecy you can’t ignore… and you don’t want to wait and see.
The sad result of being deceived by false teachers or false prophets is not a pleasant one.
“And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel. And they shall bear the punishment of their iniquity: the punishment of the prophet shall be even as the punishment of him that seeketh unto him;”
—Ezekiel 14:9-10
“Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.”
—Matthew 14:15
david Hornstein wrote:
Carolyn Gourley wrote:
No one is condemning him, least of all on this site. Your spirit is not the litmus test. God’s Spirit is and this is what He commands us to do. “Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.” (Ephesians 5:11). Read this for your edification: https://seraphimre.blogspot.com/2015/02/jonathan-cahns-mystical-hand-symbol-mr.html
Tom (Discerning the World) wrote:
To clarify, anyone who reads Mathew will not believe in the rapture. Jesus clearly says what will happen to the righteous and unrighteous. Please read Mathew and then tell me what you think.
david Hornstein wrote:
I agree wholeheartedly. The enemy is a copier of God (because God is Light (Genesis 1), the devil tries to be light and fool everyone into believing he is God when he is not. That is why there are many similarities, such as Easter and Pesach (Passover) and others. I believe that Johnathan Cahn is telling the truth. His arguments against Christmas make sense. I would like to add that there is a clear link between the pentagram in occultism and the feast of the devil. If you look at what each side of the pentagram represent and look at Christmas, you can see the link (example, the spirit of Christmas and the Christmas tree that comes out of the earth) Plus, why do even the unbelieving believe in Christmas?
What I’m trying to say is that we should reconsider our beliefs and test them to see if they are true. I pray for discernment and that the Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Ghost) will convince you of only the truth.
Shabbat Shalom to all Jewish readers!
Micayla, let’s first clarify whether you believe in a rapture at all. Paul clearly describes a rapture in 1 Corinthians 15 and 1 Thessalonians 4. Yet, you say Matthew disqualifies the rapture.
Micayla Bam.
You agree that the devil is capable of turning himself into an angel of light but fail to see that Jonathan Cahn is one of his ministers? (2 Corinthians 11:14-15) Cahn is a Kabbahlist who is misleading thousands into Jewish mysticism. Please read here.
Tell me, Micayla, is Jesus Christ the Jewish Messiah?
Deborah wrote:
“The answer is no, a born again Christians does not use and does not need extra biblical sources to preach the gospel.”
Indeed, “So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.” (Romans 10:17). Full stop.
Yes, especially Matthew 13. Read it and tell me what you think. The Bible also says ”as was in the days of Noah”. What happened then? The unrighteous died and only Noah and his family (righteous people) were saved. Most of the other righteous people, for example, Methuselah, died. (Did you know that his name means ”his death shall bring”?) I believe that Johnathan Cahn is only misunderstood. However, I might be wrong. I have seen other priests use that symbol. It might only show how kabbalisism has infiltrated religion. Yes, Jesus(Jeshua) is the Jewish Messiah.
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
Where did you see that? I only saw him lighting a seven stick Menorah when he was giving the 2018-2019 prophecy.
https://www.answers.com/Q/What_does_the_9_stick_menorah_means
Does that answer it or am I just clueless? Sorry, I’m not Jewish so I would not know if it’s true or not.
Tom (Discerning the World) wrote:
He(Jeshua/Jesus) is the saviour of anybody who accepts Him as Lord and saviour.
Micayla Bam. Deborah presented you with a link to a picture where Cahn lights a nine stick Menorah and still, you ask, “Where did you see that?”
Dave Hunt wrote:
Micayla Bam. You said Matthew 24 denies a rapture. Now suddenly you jump to Mathew 13. What do you want to prove? Matthew could not have written about a rapture of any kind because its mystery was only revealed to Paul later. (1 Corinthians 15:51).
Micayla Bam. If you are prepared to light the Menorah, you must also be prepared to use the holy anointing oil in Exodus 30.
Note, the penalty for trying to make something similar to the holy oil was death. Yet many Christians use so-called “holy oil” to anoint their homes. It is not biblical but, in fact, occultic, as Dave Hunt explained. If you want to do one of these Old Testament customs, like lighting the Menorah or anointing with holy oil, you must also do all the other things that pertained to the temple, including animal sacrifices. “These things were but a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.” (Heb 10:1). Are you prepared to return to the shadow with Jonathan Cahn? If you really believe with all your heart that “Yeshua/Jesus is the Messiah” you won’t follow strangers like Jonathan Cahn and his teachings.
Tom (Discerning the World) wrote:
Please just read it and tell me what you think. I said Matthew first and then narrowed it down to Matthew 13, specifically the second parable. It is the one that talks about the field owner.
Tom (Discerning the World) wrote:
We know that Jesus abolished the sacrificial system by becoming the ultimate sacrifice. Yes, I know of that scripture. It just makes me wonder why all Jews light the Menorah on say Hanukkah. Just a thought.
Micayla Bam
You said you are not a Jew. Jews who have become Christians (receive Jesus as their Messiah) no longer do it either, and if they do, they too are going back to the shadow.
Micayla Bam
Please read this:
https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2018/05/03/paul-benson-bottomless-bucket-part-3/
Well, if you know Jesus fulfilled the Law and all the temple ordinances, why are you so hung up on Jonathan Cahn and the rubbish he declares in his books?
Tom (Discerning the World) wrote:
I have only heard him speak about the Bible, Tenach and the Biblical feasts and how the prophesies in the Bible are coming true. Never have I seen him do anything else. Maybe you can enlighten me of what you were talking about. All I see him doing is strictly passed down Jewish traditions. The fault may lay by exactly that. The traditions are the cause of all the misconceptions we have discussed. If you can show me one instance of him doing anything un-Jewish, then we can talk.
Tom (Discerning the World) wrote:
I don’t do that. I only try to do the biblical feasts, such as Pesach, Rosh Hashana, Feast of trumpets, etc. This is because years ago I was shown how the feasts we celebrate, such as Christmas, are in fact not from God (and no, it was not Johnathan Cahn’s works that brought such a change). Even the Sabbath has been changed. There is irrefutable proof of this in the Bible.
Micayla Bam.
Well, Jesus Christ didn’t think much of Jewish traditions.
Jonathan Cahn is doing just that. His book The Harbinger is steeped in Kabbalah and Jewish mystic traditions.
Micayla Bam.
Trying to do the biblical feasts is not going to help you at all, just as much as not keeping Christmas is going to help you, and here’s why: “He [God] sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel. He hath not dealt so with any [other] nation…” (Ps:147:19-20); “For when the Gentiles, which have not the law…” (Rom:2:14); “…my kinsmen according to the flesh:…Israelites; to whom pertaineth the…covenants, and the giving of the law” (Rom:9:3-4); “…ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh…aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise…” (Eph:2:11-12), etc., etc.
Are you a Seventh Day Adventist?
Tom (Discerning the World) wrote:
Realy? So Jesus did not keep the Sabbath, even though He was Lord of the Sabbath? He kept it. To a T. It is foolish to think otherwise.
Deleted – I don’t think you will ever understand the meaning of the Law.
Micayla Bam
No. He did not merely keep the Sabbath and the Law in its entirety; He fulfilled it to a T. He was also circumcised at the age of eight days according to the Law. Should all of today’s little boys also be circumcised? I really think your interpretation of the Law and the keeping thereof today is foolish.
Tom (Discerning the World) wrote:
Yes, but keeping God’s commandments is not.
Micayla Bam
Where does God say you must keep his Ten Commandments or any of his festivals?
Tom
Why did you delete my comment about the Sabbath? Did you even test whether it was true or not? If you read you would not have done that. I know, I struggled to believe it at first until I figured it out by myself.
I guess ignorance is bliss to you. You keep deleting true comments. I know now who I would rather believe. You are so stuck in your silly traditions and beliefs, just like the Pharisees.
Micayla Bam
You are doing exactly what Paul warned against.
Micayla Bam
How odd; you have given a perfect description of yourself.
Micayla Bam wrote:
Does keeping the Sabbath have any bearing on one’s salvation?
Tom (Discerning the World) wrote:
Yes. Absolutely. If you read Hebrews 4, you will understand why. Remember when I said it was a shadow of what is to come? It is so important that Paul( and God) says that we cannot enter into God’s eternal rest, which is what is symbolised by the Sabbath. It is, therefore, imperative that we keep God’s commandments. Nie net wanneer dit vir ons pas nie. John 14:15(KJV) If ye love Me, keep My commandments. Verse 19 also talks about keeping God’s commandments. Tom, do you think it’s important to observe and keep God’s commandments or can we just forgo them like so many pastors claim we should? Why did Jesus keep the commandments? Are we not Christians, followers of Christ’s example?
Micayla wrote:
I really think you should study Galatians more carefully to free you from the deception you have fallen into.
Are you still a slave in bondage to legalism or are you a free daughter of God?
For he that is entered into his rest [is truly saved by faith alone in Christ alone], he also hath ceased from his own works[of legalism], as God did from his. (Heb 4:10).
You are not following the example of Jesus; you are following the example of Judaic false teachers who want you to remain in bondage and slavery to legalism.
Micayla Bam
You can keep the Sabbath until you are blue in the face, it will never help you to enter into God’s rest. And with that, I am done with you.
If the observance of the Sabbath has any bearing on one’s salvation, is that the reason why you keep the Sabbath on a Saturday?
Omgosh ever heard of the aaronic blessing?
Thats how the rabbis hold their hands when praying the blessing duh.
The LORD bless you& KEEP you …..ect
Found in numbers & designed by God Himself at Sinai
Leah
Why do they call Jonathan Cahn a Rabbi in disobedience to Jesus Christ?
I don’t need the Aaronic blessing with someone doing Kabballah hand signals. I and all truly born-again Christians, are already blessed.
Aaron is not my high priest. He is dead and buried. My High Priest is alive and in heaven, seated at the right hand of God.
Are you saved, Leah?
Tom (Discerning the World) wrote:
Like I said weeks ago there are many priests who use that hand signal. Johnathan Cahn might only be doing an old passed down tradition that has been put in place by the people who have infiltrated many religions. Christianity also has pagan rituals infiltrated into it but you don’t seem to be acknowledging them. As for the Aaronic blessing, it still applies to us today as much as it did then. Is God’s word only applicable to us once? Is God’s word not eternal and everlasting? It is strange to see how mislead the bride of Christ really is. We must pray that God will show us what is true and what is not. He (God) alone can persuade us of truth. We are truly in the last days.
Micayla Bam
Indeed, if the Aaronic blessing and the Sabbath are still your sources of blessing and rest, it proves that we are in the last of the last days. It is called apostasy. (2 Thessalonians 2:3).
God created them for blessing and rest. Especially now that we are in the last days, it is more crucial than ever that we use that time to grow closer to him and to examine our week and see how we could have done better to keep God’s commandments and his word. Commandments, not in the false sense of law which you believe Paul is talking about(He talks about the man-made laws, not the ones instituted by God, such as his commandments), but as a way of living righteously and morally. Jesus summarised the commandments in two sentences so that if we only did them, we would be able to live righteously. Righteousness doesn’t come from keeping them begrudgingly, as so many Christians and Jew do, but seeing it as a delight. The commandments are was of living morally. Without them, neither the constructs of our soul or that of society(which are similar, according to Plato) can be just or moral. That is why there is a moral decay taking place. The devil’s greatest accomplishment is that he can convince even God’s people to sin against God and to live unjustly. You cannot be saved by only doing the commandments, that much I agree with. But saying we must forgo them entirely is nonsense Are you even a Christian-a follower of Christ and God’s word? I know you are but if you say things like that, I begin to doubt anything you say. I only see that you are misunderstanding and misinterpreting Johnathan Cahn. I have not been able to agree with any of your accusations thus far. You would do well to research your ‘facts'(which I’m sure you do sometimes) before making an accusation that could easily be disproven because they are often not true. The menorah is a fine example of this. All I’m saying is that you cannot keep saying some things which are entirely untrue. That would make you a liar and therefore someone who falls short of the glory of God (which everybody on this planet, however hard they try does)
Micayla Bam.
Do you keep all the laws of God? He says if you break a single one of them, you have broken them all. (James 2:10).
You are just a law-boaster, pretending to keep God’s laws. It is called hypocrisy.
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So you’ve told us who not to listen to
But you haven’t told who to listen to
Do you know or are you just a person who only knows what not to do and not what to do?
Dear Michael
You said “But you haven’t told who to listen to”
Why do you listen to Jonathan Cahn a proven Pharisee and not Jesus Christ the Son of God and His Words to you in Scripture?
Are you struggling to distinguish the Spirit of Truth from the spirit of error?
You would thing this supposedly being a “christian” website unless it’s simply another spun off communist website. Christians seek truth in facts not someone else’s thoughts. George Washington was never a 33rd degree mason and there are three credible sources for this one being a 50’s masonic Q&A book. The other two are George Washington’s letters and 1838 Congressional hearings titled “Vetting George Washington”. I’m so ashamed of modern day Christianity it makes me cry.
I see you call yourself “voice in the wilderness.” John the Baptist cried out, “Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. ” Jonathan Cahn, on the other hand, is making his paths crooked (misrepresenting and twisting God’s true paths) and deceiving a multitude of people. Its worse than Communism. Want to know the facts and not someone else’s thoughts? Readd this
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/washington-becomes-master-mason
It matters very little to what which degree Washington progressed. He was a Master Mason. Period! The idiom applies “mix with dirt and the pigs fill eat you also.”
There are many faithful Christians who do not believe in Rev Darby’s “Rapture”. However, I have to agree with you that this man has always seemed “off” to me.
Dear Pilgrim USA
‘Rev Darby’ is not the author of the Rapture. Jesus Christ, the Word of God is the author of the doctrine of the Pre-Trib Rapture, penned down by the Apostle Paul through inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
Hello and who are you to deconstruct Rabbi Johnathan Cahn.
How dare you .
Dear Merry noe’l
My name is Deborah. The bible tells us to Test the Spirits to see if they are from God. I am obeying God.
Who are you to tell me not to obey the Word of God?
Here is an article for you to read on Discernment – Testing the Spirits
Jonathan Cahn is a false teacher but so are John Nelson Darby and Cyrus Scofield. Dispensationalism is a 19th-century invention and the modern country of Israel is a wicked nation of unbelievers and impostors that has little to do with biblical Israel other than (part of) the land. There’s no more temple, no more kingdom, no more lineage, and no more OT covenant. All that is irrelevant now with Christ.
Dispensationalism is Dumb. No you are the dumb one.
1) Do you believe that all God’s promises are ALL yea and amen in Christ Jesus (2 Corinthians 1:19-20). If they are ALL (including the ones He made to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) in Him they must be eternal because Christ lives forevermore.
2) “And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward: For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever. And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered. Arise, walk through the land in the length of it and in the breadth of it; for I will give it unto thee.” (Gen 13:14-17). Do you understand the word forever? Probably not.
3) “And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. Do you understand the term ALL THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL?
I suggest that you study the Bible before you comment here again and make a fool of yourself.
@thomas-lessing
“And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. Do you understand the term ALL THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL?”
If that means the LITERAL Tribes of Israel, where are they? THEY ARE ALL GONE! Nobody can trace them anymore! If they are part of a futuristic prophecy, why didn’t God preserve them? Wouldn’t it make more sense for the passage to be symbolic of the CHRISTIANS OF ALL NATIONS?
Dispensationalism is Dumb
You don’t think much of God and his omniscience, do you? He knows where they are and how to gather them back into their land. He promised He word do it and He shall.
Tom Lessing
Those tribes don’t exist anymore, get over it. That passage, just like the rest of Revelation, is most likely symbolic.
Dispensationalism is Dumb.
So God used symbolic language when He promised:
And you are most likely a messenger of Satan because he is the culprit who wants you to believe that Israel no longer exists.
Way to change topic. We were talking about Revelation, and you bring up Jeremiah, but well…
“If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.”
Israel disobeys God, Israel rejects and kills His Son, Israel gets cursed and destroyed. No more earthly Israel, only spiritual Israel (believers of ALL NATIONS). Where’s the contradiction?
Dispensationalism is Dumb wrote:
I can see you know nothing about the Gospel of God. Jesus said, “Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.” (John 10:17-18). Does that sound like the Jews skilled Him? Guess who killed Him?
The word for “bruise” is “dâkâ'” and means to crush, destroy, smite with a single blow. Stop listening to false teachers and start reading your Bible from Genesis to Revelation, including Jeremiah. Your arguments are sickening.
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We should expose false teachers, false prophets, false anything, however, Johnathan Cahn is not one. He is truly been born again and is a follower of Jesus. He does not claim or teach the things your proclaiming. It is unfortunate so much time is wasted in the body of Christ to throw people under the bus instead of praying for them and helping them grow in Jesus. We are all guilty at times, but we need to grow and be mature in Jesus if we are going to be a light in the darkness and world influencers. I appreciated Johnathan Cahns messages and the truth he brings forth. He is not new age, mystical, free mason or anything to that direction.
You sound just like another protesting catholic. In your willful ignorance you have become blind. What god do you serve? One who changes his mind at every whim? My father who is called YHVH does not change and remains the same and when he says forever through your generations He means FOREVER! You have a choice to make: Will you serve and follow man and his traditions or will you honor The God of Abraham, Isaak, and Jacob?
Loves Jesus. You seem unsympathetic to those who are being deceived by false prophets and teachers. I suggest that you repent of your evil if you really “Love Jesus.”
https://www.thebereancall.org/content/june-2012-extra-harbinger-critique
Oh my gosh – what arrogance and smug “we are the true believers” rubbish from Uncle Tom & Aunty Deborah – the self-proclaimed true discerners ( thereby relegating the Holy Spirit altogether).
May I remind you that the only UNFORGIVABLE SIN is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit….
Kevin, Ah, so, now suddenly when you contend earnestly for the faith and expose false teachers and their doctrines you are blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
May I remind you.
AlH
Yes you are right when you say “You have a choice to make: Will you serve and follow man and his traditions or will you honor The God of Abraham, Isaak, and Jacob?”
You follow Jonathan Cahn, a man and his Babylonian Kabbalist occult traditions that Jesus Christ REBUKED the Pharisees for.
Kevin Potter
So you love a Jonathan Cahn (a Pharisee (FAKE Christian) Kabbalistic occultist) and Kanye West (a FAKE Christian Kabbalistic occultist). No surprises there really. Here is your comment on Kanye West
Dear ‘loves Jesus’
You said “We should expose false teachers, false prophets, false anything, however, Johnathan Cahn is not one.”
Yes Jonathan Cahn is one of them. Open your eyes.
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Just found your site while I was researching Jonathan Cahn. I never cared much for Cahn…pretty leery of him, but your writing has a bad tone in it. It didn’t accomplish what you wanted it to with me. In fact you seem trite and superficial, and are probably doing more harm than good. I won’t be back.
MessageForYou
Thanks for going.
Your assumptions about Masons are not true at all. I stopped reading right there. I love Jonathan Cahn’s teachings. And yes, Christians should be in touch with the Jewishness of. Christianity. Jesus, or more accurately, Yeshua, was a Jew and He kept all the feasts and laws. You need to read the history of Christianity. All of Yeshua’s followers were observant Jews. After Constantine converted to Christianity he westernized it taking all the Jewishness away. Now, many Christians are realizing the richness of their faith by studying the roots of our faith. Paul speaks much about being grafted in. It’s a sign of the end times that Jews are turning to belief in their Messiah Yeshua and becoming Messianic Jews and Christians are returning to their Jewish roots. You seriously need to educate yourself more in many areas before you trash Rabbi Cahn.
Gayle Wheat.
So, if you do not keep the laws and the feasts you are going to hell? (Amos 5:21). I am not so sure you really know Jesus Christ of the Bible as your Savior. Paul says: “Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.” (laws). (Gal 3:24-25). You have abandoned Jesus Christ to place yourself again under a schoolmaster (the law). The craze to return to your Hebrew roots (laws, feasts, practices) is akin to wanting to return to something that no longer exists.
The return to your Hebrew roots is indeed a return to Pharisee-ism.
Gayle Wheat.
You said, Jesus kept the laws. That’s not true. He fulfilled them.
Those who are in Christ (truly saved) have no need to keep the laws and the feasts because they are IN the Lord of the Sabbath who has already fulfilled them all. To try and keep the laws and the feasts is a denial that Christ’s fulfillment of them all is insufficient. It is NOT faith.
Yes there will be a Rapture, But “when” is the question. There is one repeated statement from Jesus in His messages to the seven churches in Revelation (KJV-Rev Ch 2 thru 3). He said to “Overcome” in each of the seven messages. What do you suppose he meant by that? in (KJV) Rev 14:12 it says, “And here are the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God (this would be the Jews), and the faith of Jesus (this would be the Christians). Now (KJV) Rev 13:7 ” And it was given unto him (this would be the Antichrist) to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations”. That sounds like all of us. If the saints are told to overcome and the Antichrist is to make war with the saints, sounds like we all just might go thru some or maybe all of the Tribulation period. If I believe in the Pre Trib Rapture, but I’ve been mislead by well meaning preachers, AND THEY UNKNOWINGLY TAUGHT ME WRONG, and I have to go thru the Tribulation – WILL I BE SPIRITUALLY STRONG ENOUGH TO OVERCOME AND NOT TAKE THE MARK OF THE BEAST? You have to take the mark of the beast to buy or sell (KJV-Rev 13:17) – this would be tough, if I don’t want to starve, or see my Grandchildren starve. Think deeply on this, and Prepare yourself for the worst.
Karen Windsor
Do you always make a difference between Jewish believers and Gentile believers? Are Jews saved by keeping the commandments and Gentiles by faith? Revelation 14:12 does not say “And here are the patience of the Jewish saints (those who keep the commandments) and the Gentile saints (those who live by faith).”: It starts off by simply saying in the very beginning “And here are the patience of the SAINTS” and then, after the grammatical colon, amplifies the meaning of “saints” – those who are obedient to God’s commands through faith in Chris Jesus.” The command to which this section refers is to be patient amidst grave persecution and to remain faithful to Christ Jesus unto death. The meaning of “patience” here is to wait with watchful endurance for God to fulfill his promises in the direst of circumstances. Your very subtle accusation that the Pretrib Rapture is a bogus belief because it fails to prepare the saints for the seven-year tribulation is an old accusation that holds no water and is completely false.
No amount or degree of preparation by any other interpretation of the Rapture – Midtrib. Prewrath or Posttrib, including Pretrib – can prepare you for the seven-year tribulation or any other kind of tribulation. If you are not already prepared now, this moment, for any kind of persecution in your home, your work place, among you friends etc. by exercising patience with your mind stayed on Jesus and his promises (and NOT the teaching of men) you will not be prepared for the worst persecution that is ever going to hit the world. The fact that you don’t want your children or grandchildren to suffer as Christians shows me that you are not prepared yet. If you were you would’ve obeyed Jesus’ words in Matthew 10,
I was asked to review your site/ blog. There are several red flags on this site. Scriptures are quoted out of
context on a continual basis. The original Hebrew texts are not used. The translation that is used, is one that does not accurately translate Hebrew words correctly. The scriptures that are used to validate a point, are always used incorrectly and uses the language of the King of England. It has been widely documented this translation was heavily influenced by Roman Catholicism under the supreme rule of the Pope. A man that insists, he is the one that intercedes between G-D and man. That is blasphemy! Yeshua is the only intercession between man and Adonai. The Hebrew Scriptures are the original inspired word of G-D. In this presentation, there is an absolute lack of knowledge of Jewish history and culture. The book of Acts is an accurate record of Messianic Jews presenting the gospel of the Jewish Messiah, Yeshua and the building of Messiah’s communities, ( they are not called churches and there are no denominations), which resulted in many people being saved, and therefore, being ingrafted into the family of the G-d of Israel. These people known as Messianic Christians. Adonai established Israel, the Jewish people, culture, and laws, Torah. And HE designed the temple and instructed HIS people according to HIS ways, on their dress, temple protocol, instructed them of all the festivals, and High Holy Days. Adonai does use numbers, heavenly signs, and the Hebrew calendar to communicate to HIS people. There is a distinct ignorance, which causes everything written about Rabbi Jonathan Cahn, to be tainted and used as an attempt to mislead those who are not yet equipped so see the large holes in this debate/argument. So to those reading articles on this site, be advised these individuals are not qualified to declare who is and who is not a false prophet.
Carolyn Barton
Hi Carolyn Barton.
One question. Have you ever been to the Ohel (Chabad-Lubavitch) in New York City?
Carolyn Barton
In your entire comment of about 318 words you did not once mention or refer to “salvation,” “redemption” or “faith.” That says it all. You are so utterly bamboozled by the Jewish Roots movement and especially the very dangerous occult Kabbalah that your eyes are blinded by Jewish culture, laws, the Torah, the temple, their dress, temple protocol, festivals, High and Holy Days, numerology, signs and Hebrew Calendar that you miss true salvation. Let me remind you of what God says in his Word about tradition and festivals.
You wrote that the assemblies of Christians were not supposed to be called churches. The word “ekklesia” (called out ones) appears in 79 verses in the New Testament and simply means an “assembly of Christians” which most English translations refer to as “church.” Is your Jewish Kabbalah rendition of “Messiah communities” more holy than mere “church” so that your view of it leads to heaven and the KJV view leads to hell? My dear, it is actually you and your Kabbalah friends who are not qualified to discern the dangers in Cahn’s Kabbalah.
https://www.thebereancall.org/content/april-2013-book-feature
I don’t even know how I got here! Finally someone with discernment is calling out the FRAUD!!! OUTSTANDING article…BRAVO! You just got saved to my “Favorites” – Praise Jesus Christ!
I believe the Jesus/Yeshua/Yahshua is LOVE, that’s what he taught His deciples, love and compassion. Secondly I believe that He said that the greatest commandment is to love God/Yahweh with all your heart and soul…. and your neighbour as yourself and on these two commandments hang all the Laws and the prophets. And I beleive that the only way to know one who loves God, is by the feast days they hold. You christians say you believe but every holiday you bless are feast days of ancient false prophets. How can you understand people who keep the worship of Eternel Heavenly Father when you are lost in pagan worship. Oh, yes, I forgot God understands. The question is, do you love the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, do you believe that He sent His only son to die for our sins and if you do why are you not uncomfortable blessing all this pagan days. And you all know very well that they are pagan days full of Sun worship. And all books are good to read, it’s not bad to know what the enemy is thinking but you have to know yourself before entering the area of the enemy. We live in the last days, we all agree on that, well it is written that daughters will dream dreams, sons prophecy etc etc now, how can they do that when they are all raptured. Matt22:37 -40.
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Tom lessing admin, you should read Isaiah 56 very very carefully, 56::3 says ” Neither let the son of the stranger that have joined himself to YHWH speak saying YHWH hath utterly separated me from His people neither let the eunuch say behold I am a dry tree 4. For thus saith YHWH unto the eunuch THAT KEEP MY SABBATHS and choose the things that please me and take hold of my covernant 5 Even to them will I give in my house and within my walls A PLACE AND A NAME better than sons and daughters I will give them an EVERLASTING name that shall not be cut off 6 Also the sons of the stranger that join themselves to YHWH to serve Him and to love the Name of YHWH to be His servant EVERYONE THAT KEEPETH THE SABBATH FROM POLLUTING IT AND TAKETH HOLD OF MY COVERNANT 7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain and make them joyful in my house of prayer their burnt offering and sacrifices shall be accepted upon my altar for mine house shall be a house of prayer for all people.(caps by me)
So Tom Lessing, the sabbaths and ordonances are of importance.
I observe that you don’t answer on the subject of these pagan holidays. Jonathan Cahn is one man and there are many christian pastors with erroneous teaching in America.
I pray the sunday worshippers will see truth, the day was changed and they boasted about it put YHWH’s change will be decisive. Shalom
Hi Sharon. I have one question for you. Do you strictly adhere to keeping the SABBATH and why? And while you at it, would you mind telling us how you were saved?
Dear Sharon Adams
You said “You christians say you believe”
Thank you for proving to the people who read this site that Hebrew Rooters make it clear they are NOT CHRISTIAN.
Dear Sharon Adams
The Pope has actually declared that Saturday is actually the Sabbath and not Sunday. Now what are you going to do?
Pope Francis tells the world to keep the Sabbath (Saturday)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DTBtwexcOw
I have a friend who just loves this guys teachings. He swears by them. I myself have read some of his stuff and it was interesting. The idea that everything is a mystery and so forth just bugs me. I believe God gave us the bible to understand. There something very off. I love learning biblical stuff, but i just cant watch this guy or listen to him.The gospel is for sale by these rock star preachers. Christian tv promotes many false profits, and he is on every ones shows, selling these mysteries, from bakker to copeland. maybe its just me, could be
Dear angelo antonio
Nope it’s not just you, it’s Jonathan Cahn who is totally in the wrong, he is a Rabbi and a Freemason who promotes another gospel contrary to Jesus Christ’s teachings.
You are right. 🙂
False prophet Jonathan Cahn and New Apostolic Reformation heavyweight Kevin Jessip co- chairs of the upcoming national and global false revival have been working with global and national “spiritual” leaders in preparation for The Return, National and Global Day of Prayer and Repentance, National Mall, September 26, 2020
https://thereturn.org
I have listened to Jonathan Cahn and read several of his books, and nowhere does Rabbi Cahn quote from the Zohar or preach Kabbalah, and if holding one’s chin makes you a Freemason, then I guess that I, and billions of people around the world have unknowingly joined Freemasonry!
What Rabbi Cahn does preach is that Yeshua (Jesus Christ) is the Messiah and the Savior of the world, and that by His sacrifice, we are redeemed.
As a former Evangelical who became very tired of “Christian Nightclubs”, that is Christian churches who are more concerned with “social justice” and entertaining their congregations, rather than preaching the word of God, I found that Messianic congregations hold fast to the word of Our Lord and Savior, and continue to preach sin and repentance.
matthewj wrote:
No! we are not redeemed by his sacrifice. We are redeemed by faith in his sacrifce (finished work on the cross). Cahn believes in the Zohar’s rendition of Golgotha.
https://www.thebereancall.org/content/april-2013-book-feature
You have been misled, and the quicker you realize it, the better for you.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2140978582602905
Dear matthewj
You said “and nowhere does Rabbi Cahn quote from the Zohar or preach Kabbalah”
You clearly didn’t look at the video of him preaching from the Zohar aka Kabballah. You also didn’t watch the 2 videos at the end of the article of him preaching Kabbalist teachings. You see only what you want to see. Please open your eyes.
Messianic congregations (aka Hebrew Roots Movement) do not hold fast to the gospel of Jesus Christ, but hold fast to the ‘Yeshua’ that is mentioned in the Kabballah and hold fast to the law and occult extra biblical revelations (mysticism from the Kabballah).
Please read the entire article and all the comments – there are currently 332 comments that you need to read where he is exposed even more.
Also please read the link Tom provided in the comment above :pointup: where Jonathan Cahn clearly studies and teaches from the Zohar (Kabballah)
My wife gets so deep into many false prophets.She buys book after book, after book.I keep telling her,”The bible is the only authoritative book you need.Stop lining the pockets of these false teachers/prophets,the likes of Pat robertson,Joyce Meyer,Crefflo Dollar,Joseph Prince,Joel Osteen etc”.But she just ignores me.You have some very good articles here.
Hi Michael. Is your wife saved?
You can’t discern the world without searching for truth! Johnathan Con is a con but he like so many are closet masons
and Kabbalists. Johnathan Cahn believes in the most Kabbalist book The Zohar! You obviously don’t know anything about America’s founding era history because one needs to dig to search it out. George Washington was never a 33rd degree Mason and is well documented. If you truly promote the real Jesus who is the source of all Truth you should be documenting your statements before promoting Masonic lies as truth. The 1838 Congressional Hearings titled “Vetting of George Washington” is a good start. The Pantheon invoked in Paris Treaty 1783 will never be overthrown as Isaiah 24:21-22 will be fulfilled soon and very soon. Con is nit Christian but a Kabbalist Witch!!
Hi Joshua. You must be a pretribulation rapture adherent. How do I know? Well, the fact that you referred to Isaiah 24:1-2 as being fulfilled very soon proves to me that you are premillennial and pre-trib.
Actually The Lord Put in My Spirit when Jonathan Cahn first came on The Scene, That He Was NOT Who He Was Portraying himself To be. I was Leary Of Him From The Start!.
It’s behavior from Messiah wannabe ministers that help fuel the Atheists to attack us believers, and cause those of us who doubt our faith to return to the sinful world that causes more unbelievers to mock and ridicule us on media and social media.
It’s bad enough many idiotic shows that portray Christians in a cartoonish way are winning because those foolish viewers start off laughing at us, and eventually want to kick it up a notch and PHYSICALLY vent out their feelings because we’re deemed as buffoons to be harassed and bullied.
Those whom follow the enemy always seek out their preys weaknesses, and it starts with the preachers (aka: The Domino Effect)!
Jose R wrote:
You are completely wrong. Here are the only reasons true believers are attacked, harassed, mocked, and ridiculed.
Do you get my drift? Your arguments matter very little in this battle between good and evil, God and Satan. All you need to do to suffer the consequences is to say “I believe in Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God who suffered and died for my sins and that of the whole world, according to the scriptures, rose on the third day, according to the scriptures, ascended to heaven and is now seated at the right hand of his Father, according to the scriptures.”
I read the Harbinger and frankly took it seriously, until what he claimed would happen, DIDN’T. From then on, I’ve been highly suspcious of him. He spoke at my church in Leesburg, and I’m unhappy to say I bought his latest book, which I’m now going to pitch in the trash, where it belongs. I just saw a video of him on YouTube and it was bothering me so much I looked him up and found this article. Thanks so much!
I am pleased to hear that you are a Berean. Continue in this way.
Do you have any information on Joel Osteen ?
Hi Randy Jay Rance
Nope we have not written anything about him in particular. He is a Freemason. Teaches occult Law of Attraction.
I do never listened to the crazy things johnathan cahn said
i know that is beliefs are off he has a egomaniac Type of
personallity It seems he likes to be the center of attention
and likes when people pay attention to him and what he says
he seems to enjoy all the time being away and speaking on tv
or in articles on Christian magazines and called a prophet of
god and a highly influential person in Christianity today
he has a table that he sits in the church after service shaking
hands with people and signing copies of his books like some
sort of celebrity and he seems to feed off that energy
and has this body guards around him as if he thinks fans are
going to throw themselves at him or hurt him like he is a big
super star celebrity
I know people in his church believe if you love Jesus
you should keep the sabbath
the. 7 holy days of the Old Testament
keep the comments and keep the Leviticus dietary law
they also believe what cahn says however outrageous
it is cahn teaches that Christopher Columbus was a Italian
jew I told them his name Columbus means light bearer of
Christ they believe Adam and Eve were Jewish when the
fact Judaism did not start as a religion till the one in the old
testament changed his name to israel and they started to building
altars in the desert. And then Moses made a covenant with god
and god gave the children of israel the 10 commandment
before that the people of god knew god and spoke to god but
the people knew him as the god with no name till Moses
saw god in the burning bush and said I am that I am
but cahn teaches Kabbalistic teachings. And even the regular
non messianic Jews told me if you go to a teacher claiming to get
messages directly from god and hears god talking to him you need to. Get as far away from that person as you can
and the one of them even used the word get the hell away from that person as fast as you can
John Nowak. Well said. I agree.
Seeing that you are in South Africa, and you and your partner are not Freemasons. You really should not talk about things that you know nothing about personally. If your get information from someone that tells you things it is only hear say. Not Fact! Say what you will about Johnathan Cahn. I wonder if you are a follower of Christ. Or a Christian at all.
Kevin E Curtis. Are you sure what you are talking about? Are you following Jesus Christ? It seems more like you are following Jonathan Cahn.
https://www.thebereancall.org/content/jonathan-cahn-s-harbinger-2-return-mythology
https://www.thebereancall.org/content/april-2013-book-feature
This is very concerning because everytime i get to where i think someone is honest and true and i start following the bible and their teachings it all goes astray. its very upsetting even perry stone is in major scandle now other than the bible who do we listen to for teaching, thats one reason i quit church years ago, the ones i went to ended up in termoil always. Very frustrated but never have lost my faith just my faith in clergy men.