Why Jonathan Cahn and His Revelations Must be Ignored

Jonathan CahnWhy Jonathan Cahn, His Mysteries, Keys and Revelations Must be Ignored

Rabbi Jonathan Cahn has been bothering me with his The Harbinger and now The Mystery of the Shemitah ‘revelations’. Who is he exactly?  Is he a born again Christian or is far worse than just your plain run of the mill false teacher?

He calls himself a Rabbi yet the bible says:

Matthew 23:8  “8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.”

He has been labelled a modern day prophet as he brings a prophetic message with The Harbinger where he blatantly implies that America is treading the same path for judgment as ancient Israel and connects Isaiah 9:10 to America.  The Harbinger was published by FrontLine, an imprint of Charisma House which used to be known as Strang Communications run by Steve Strang who is part of the New Apostolic Reformation.

Israel and a New World…

The main problem with The Harbinger is that Jonathan Cahn equates America to be a replacement of Israel, a New Israel.  He says in his book:

The Prophet: “But there was one other-a civilization also conceived and dedicated to the will of God from its conception . . . America. In fact, those who laid its foundations . . .”

Noriel Kaplan: “The Founding Fathers.”

The Prophet: “No, long before the Founding Fathers. Those who laid America’s foundations saw it as the new Israel, an Israel of the New World. And as it was with ancient Israel, they saw it as in covenant with God.

This is unbiblical.  Jonathan Cahn is claiming that the Pilgrims (America’s founders who were Puritins – Calvinists) constituted America to be in a covenant relationship with God like Israel is in a covenant with God.  This is of course a lie, but they believed it never the less.  He claims that America replaces Israel as the new Israel for a New World…Order.   Israel is the only nation in a covenant relationship with God that was established through Abraham.

Here he says it again on Glen Becks show.  Glen Beck is a Mormon.  Why would a christian like Jonathan Cahn appear on a Mormon’s show?

2 Corinthians 6:14  Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

Jonathan Cahn On Glenn Beck TV The Harbinger Part 1

Another country who also believes they are the New Israel is Britain, with the British Royal Family believing that they are descendants of King David.  This is of course a lie. But they believe it never the less. This is called British Israelism (also called Anglo-Israelism).

Freemasons, other occultists and unbelievers can’t stand the fact that Israel is God’s chosen nation and will do anything to replace Israel, literally and spiritually.

The King Solomon connection

Jonathan Cahn says in The Harbinger:

The Key to Solomons KeyKaplan: “Some link between this city and the ancient vow,” I said. “Somehow Isaiah 9:10  has to be connected to Washington DC.” (p.61)

 George Washington Freemason

George Washington – Freemason

The Prophet: “Solomon was the king of Israel. Washington was the first president of the United States. There was something in the linking of ancient Israel and America, as with all the other mysteries.”(p.109)

King Solomon was appointed by God Himself to be king.  George Washington was elected via vote to be President.  There is a big difference between the two. George Washington was also a Freemason. When George Washington spoke of God, he was referring to Lucifer, not the God of the bible.  Freemasons are besotted with claiming Israel for themselves. The Pilgrims who proclaimed a false covenant with God were most likely Freemasons as well hence they could come up with such nonsense as to claim America to be the New Israel.

Freemasons also worship King Solomon who they believed to be the greatest magus (sorcerer) of all time. Is that why Jonathan Cahn connects King Solomon to George Washington because it’s a satanic connection?

“The purpose of Masonry’s veneration of Solomon is not to advance an alternate view of history, but to present, however subtly, the archetype of the future human being — men and women who truly possess Solomon’s Key — the power to master our own demons and redirect their destructive energy to build the Temple of our own evolving soul.” Lon Milo DuQuette, The Key to King Solomons Keys – Is this the lost symbol of Masonry, Second Edition

So who is Jonathan Cahn then and what does he believe?

Well if you go to his website it says:

Jonathan Cahn“Jonathan Cahn is President of Hope of the World ministries, Senior Pastor and Messianic Rabbi of the the Jerusalem Center/ Beth Israel in Wayne, New Jersey. He is also the author of the best selling book ‘The Harbinger‘. His teachings are broadcast daily over hundreds of radio stations throughout the United States and the world and on television.  He ministers, as did the first Jewish messengers of the Gospel, sharing the message of Messiah to Jew and Gentile, Israel, and the nations.  He has ministered before mass gatherings in India, Nigeria, Cuba, Mizoram, Honduras, Haiti, & throughout the world.  His teachings are widely known for revealing the deep mysteries of God’s word and for the restoring of the new covenant message to its original biblically Jewish richness and power.”  [Emphasis added] http://www.bethisraelworshipcenter.org/aboutjonathan.htm

That is very interesting.  So Jonathan Cahn knows the deep mysteries of God’s Word that Christians don’t know? And only Jonathan Cahn can reveal these mysteries to us?  Jonathan Cahn’s plan is also to restore the message that Jesus Christ preaches to it’s original Jewish richness and power.  So until Jonathan Cahn came along all born again believers for the last 2000+ years that have been reading the Scriptures were reading a bible that had no value and no authority what-so-ever.  Isn’t that nice, that Jonathan Cahn came to save the day.

What does he mean by all ‘richness and power’?  Does he mean that we need to infuse the Bible with Kaballah mysticism in order to understand it properly?

Here is another version of his biography that was on his website but the link has now been removed:

“Jonathan Cahn is President of Hope of the World ministries….Descended of the line of Aaron, he has been asked to sound the Jubilee trumpet and minister among the nations, a prophetic ministry of and to the Jew and the Gentile in the last days. His teachings include the revealing of ancient mysteries, the depth and wonders of God’s Word, and the restoration of the Gospel message in its original Biblically Jewish context, richness, and power.”

Who asked him to sound the Jubilee trumpet? And what does that mean exactly?  Here he states that his ministry is a prophetic ministry.  As Christians we know that there is no such thing as a prophetic ministry.  People will only begin to prophesy again in the last days (during the Tribulation):

Acts 2:17-18 “And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:” 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:”  (Joel 2:28)

There is a movement called the  ‘Hebrew Roots Movement’ where they believe that you cannot understand the bible unless you go back to your Hebrew ways (become like the Jews) and read extra biblical sources such as the Midrash,  Zohar and the Talmud etc., to gain a higher enlightenment of the Scriptures.

The Berean Call says:

“The late Jewish scholar and researcher of first century life in Israel, David Flusser, said rightly; “Jesus was a Jew in every way” ( Jewish Sources in Early Christianity , Adama Books, New York, 1987, p.7). There is absolutely no denying that Jesus was born a Jew and lived an observant Jewish life. He did this to fulfill completely every demand of the law, He did it for us (Romans:8:1-4), and He continues to do it in us if we are true believers.

So if we want to be like Jesus, does that mean that we must become observant Jews, as some allege? Is that what being like Jesus really means? Should Gentile believers try to be Messianic Jews? Can they? Should Gentiles don a yarmulke, worship in a synagogue, blow a shofar, wear a prayer shawl, call Jesus Yeshua or Yeshu, keep the Old Testament feasts and dietary laws, and give their pastors the title of Rabbi, even though Matthew:23:8 says otherwise? Are Jewish ceremonies and practices efficacious?

Do we need to restore first century or later Jewish practices to really be good Christians? The Pharisees practiced all the ceremonies, but theirs is a cautionary tale since Jesus told them that they did these things in vain (Matthew:15:7-9, See also Matthew 23).

So, is Jewishness next to godliness? One very modern movement would answer the question with a loud-“yes, more or less!” This growing movement is called the Hebrew Roots Movement (HRM). Unfortunately, it lacks a shared, coherent, consistent theology, an internal mechanism of doctrinal control, and it is filled with mavericks who seem to be making it up as they go along in terms of attachment to Jewish accoutrements.”  Continue to read this article:  Bewitching Believers Through the Hebrew Roots Movement

Did the Zohar greatly shaped Jonathan Cahn’s writings?

I had no idea we needed to be taught new revelations from Gnostic books such as the Zohar (Kabbalah).  In this video below we see Jonathan Cahn preaching new revelations about the Bible from an exta-biblical source the Zohar.

Watch Jonathan Cahn: Zohar – Golgotha (1)

Jonathan Cahn’s response regarding his quoting the Zohar (Q&A from here):

Question:  It is stated that Jonathan Cahn “says that Zohar, an extrabiblical, mystical source from which the occultic and mystical Kabbalah is derived, greatly influenced his writing.”

Answer:  “Unfortunately this kind of statements represents some of the extreme and bizarre opposition to The Harbinger – It is an extreme false accusation.  No. I have never in my life said that the Zohar has greatly influenced my writing – nor has it ever.  What this accusation is taken from and twisted out of recognition from – Is that I have in some special teachings shared quotes found in the rabbinic writings which unwittingly bear witness of the truth of the Gospel – things that most Jewish people have no idea of – such as Isaiah 53 being about the Messiah, or God being Three in One, Messiah dying for our sins [Dave Mosher Note:  Isaiah 53 in our Bible clearly describes the suffering of Jesus Christ.  Why does Cahn need to appeal to occult, mystic Jewish documents like the Zohar/Kaballah  to get Jewish people to listen? Isn’t reading the Bible itself sufficient for Cahn?], or a connection made between the mercy of God and the word “Golgotha.”  These things can be used to share the Gospel.  This has been a standard method of apologetics and evangelism for ages.  Rabbinical writings, mystical or otherwise, have been quoted for ages, in Bible commentaries, apologetics, works such as The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah, etc. To take this and then present it as if I or any Christian pastor or scholar is a secret follower of such things because they used a quote to bear witness of the Gospel is, as, one minister friend of mine would say – shameful at best. It should not have even appeared in print.

The apostle Paul actually quoted from a pagan hymn to Zeus in order to share the truth of the Gospel at Mars Hill.  [Dave Mosher: This argument has used by many heretics to justify their quoting Catholics, Buddhists, etc.] If we were to then to accuse him of being into Zeus worship, or that pagan writings were behind the epistles, or accuse of him of being secretly pagan – I would think we would need to repent.  It’s called bearing false witness.”

Sorry, for me the logic does not follow. If Cahn is the born again Christian that he claims, he should condemn the ungodly, occult Zohar/Kaballah. He should not quote it, except in condemnation of its passages.

Let’s look at it another way – would a born again, biblically sound Christian:

… quote from a Catholic document to evangelize Catholics because it seemed to contain some Christian thoughts?
… quote from a Mormon document to evangelize Mormons because it seemed to contain some Christian thoughts?
… quote from a Jehovah’s Witnesses document to evangelize Jehovah’s Witnesses because it seemed to contain some Christian thoughts?
… quote from a New Age document to evangelize New Agers because it seemed to contain some Christian thoughts?
… quote from a Wiccan document to evangelize Wiccans because it seemed to contain some Christian thoughts?
… quote from a Satanic document to evangelize Satanists because it seemed to contain some Christian thoughts?https://davemosher.wordpress.com

The answer is no, a born again Christians does not use and does not need extra biblical sources to preach the gospel.

Is Jonathan Cahn possibly a Freemason?

Who do we as Christian know that delve into Gnostic teachings such as the Kabbalah etc?  Freemasons of course.  Is Jonathan Cahn a Freemason?  A picture is worth a thousand words:

Jonathan Cahn - Freemason

Do you need some more proof? The picture below shows Jonathan Cahn showing the Hebrew letter for Shin ( ש) hand sign in Kabbalah, made popular by Dr Spok in Star Trek also known as the Vulcan salute.  See here as Nelson Mandela does the same Freemason hand sign.

 Jonathan Cahn - Freemason Hand Sign Shin V

The Hebrew letter ש Shin is the twenty-first letter of the Kabbalistic alphabet

The Shemitah 2015

The Berean Call says:

This imposed Shemitah judgment was very specific and involved  only the nation of Israel . Since no Gentile nations were ever obligated to keep the Shemitah, there is no scriptural basis for suggesting that any other nation would ever experience an imposed Shemitah judgment. Yet, this is precisely what Jonathan Cahn suggests that America has experienced.

Cahn also wrongly implies that the Shemitah is essentially a universal  principle  that is somehow integrated into the order of the universe. Cahn makes the following assertion in his book:

[KAPLAN] “Seven years-the biblical period of time that concerns a nation’s financial and economic realms.” [This and all quotes are taken from: Jonathan Cahn,  The Harbinger  (Lake Mary, FL: Frontline, Charisma Media/Charisma House Book Group, 2011)]

Although Israel was on a seven-year economic cycle, no biblical passages support Cahn’s idea that natural economic cycles of seven years exist for nations in general. Furthermore, financial experts have not identified any seven-year economic cycle. http://www.thebereancall.org/content/october-2014-extra-shemitah

If anything happens during The Shemitah (September 2015), it’s not because of God and a connection to Isaiah 9:10, it’s because the Freemasons who control this world are pushing the buttons and they are making things happen (in cycles of 7 as it’s a ‘magic’ number) for their own purposes to further the progress of a New World Order.

Here is Christine Lagarde from the IMF who tells us that the Illuminati are also very interested in the number 7 and cycles of 7.

Jonathan Cahn is using these Harbinger and Shemitah fables to catch millions of unsuspecting Christians into thinking that it’s God’s timing and God’s hand at work, when in fact it’s Satan’s timing, and Satan’s hand at work.

Occult Teachings:

Title:  Jonathan Cahn on TBN:  God of all Nations  

Why would a Christian like Jonathan Cahn appear on the Vatican’s television channel called TBN?

God is not God of all nations, he is not God of this world.   Satan is god of this world.

2 Corinthians 4:4  “In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”

Satan is the prince of this world:

John 12:31 “Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.”

We read that Satan influences the unsaved people of this world, he influences unbeliever’s hopes, dreams, ideals and opinions etc.

Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

So then who is the God of all nations? None other than Satan of course.

2 Kings 17:29Howbeit every nation made gods of their own, and put them in the houses of the high places which the Samaritans had made, every nation in their cities wherein they dwelt.”

For Jonathan Cahn who claims to be a Christian to not know who the god of this world is, is shocking to say the least.  His god is Satan, and his god is ruling this world.

I have chosen below a couple of videos from this list on Cahn’s website and found the corresponding video on Youtube where Jonathan teaches occult teachings:

Title: The Alpha Light

Message Number: 1932
Date: 2014-12-21
Summary:  From the beginning of creation to the incarnation and the resurrection – it all begins with light. And not just light, but the alpha light. It is the alpha light that has the power to change everything. Learn the secret of using the Alpha Light in every circumstance to change everything.  [Emphasis added]

So who is this Alpha light Jonathan Cahn is speaking about? The Bible says about God, “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.” (Revelation 22:13)  It does not say I am the Alpha light.  Cahn also  says “From the beginning of creation to the incarnation and the resurrection, it all begins with light”  This is a lie, it all began with the Word.  The bible says, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” (John 1:1).

Alpha is the first letter of the Greek alphabet. Omega is the last letter of the Greek alphabet.  In modern usage it would mean “from A to Z”. By combining the two, Alpha and Omega it signifies completeness.  In reference to Jesus Christ it signifies His completeness and demonstrates Him to be the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.  Jesus is complete. He was with God in the beginning and He will be with God in the end. Jesus is the beginning and the ending.

Who then is this Alpha light who was at the beginning according to Jonathan Cahn.  The bible refers to Satan as being an “angel of light” in 2 Corinthians 11:14-15.  Lucifer is a Latin word that means “light bearer”. It comes from the translation of Isaiah 14:12 where Satan is called (hay-lale’) in hebrew meaning “the morning-star” (in the sense of brightness) and it’s root word means “to shine”.  So as we can see Satan is seen as someone who gives light.    Satan tried to ursurp God’s throne, the bible says:

Isaiah 14:13-14  “13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.”

Now we can see why Satan in Luciferianism refers to himself as the Alpha light because he is still trying to be higher than God.  Jonathan Cahn says, “Learn the secret of using the Alpha Light in every circumstance to change everything”.  What he is saying is this, learn to use Satan the Alpha light, instead of Jesus Christ – the way, the truth and the life.

Let’s hear what Freemasons have to say:

LUCIFER PRAISED AS THE LIGHT-BEARER OF FREEMASONRY

“Lucifer, the Light-bearer!  Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness!  Lucifer, the Son of the Morning!  Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls?  Doubt it not!”  [Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, p. 321, 19th Degree of Grand Pontiff; Red Emphasis added]

What a revelation!  From the first degree, the first Initiation, the Mason is urged mightily to “seek the Light“!  The average Mason is continually saying that he is “seeking the Light”, and will spend his entire life “moving toward the Light”.  Almost every person in Western Civilization will assume that this “Light” is the revelation of the God of the Bible; indeed, this statement is held up continuously to try to convince us that Masonry is Christian.  Yet, here, Albert Pike is saying that Lucifer is the One who bears the Light of Freemasonry!  Lucifer is the Light-bearer of Freemasonry http://www.cuttingedge.org/free11.html

Title: The State of Onement

Message Number: 1918
Date: 2014-10-05
Summary: The Mystery of Yom Kippur and the Bible itself is about becoming one with God. Most believers never enter it, but you can. How to live in the state of Onement.  [Emphasis added]

A state on onement?  Jonathan Cahn says: “…the bible itself is about becoming one with God. Most believers never enter it, but you can”  This is clearly a higher level of spirituality of some kind, because until now only some Christians have attained it. Jonathan Cahn will give you the secret on how you can enter into a state of becoming one with God.  Occultists like to take the word “atonement” and break it down to another word “at-one-ment”.A truly born again child of God does not need to become “at-one-ment” or figure out how to find the “state of onement” with God because Jesus said,

John 14:20   “In that day [His resurrection] you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you.”

When you come born again, He made us one with Himself, His (our) Father and the Holy Spirit.   You don’t have to figure out how to become at-one with God and neither do you become a god because of this.

New Agers believe that “you are not separate from God; every person is born a piece of God.”  In order to be “at-one-ment” with God you need to meditate and believe that God is in everyone and everything including yourself.  A “state of oneness” means that you need to find the Christ within, and become a God.

Jonathan Cahn teaches that he will give you the keys on how to enter in becoming one with God after you are saved – those who teach that people need to become one with God are proclaiming another Gospel, another Jesus and another spirit.

Please read this article that explains more about At-one-ment or Oneness theory:  Guilt by Association

Conclusion

Jonathan Cahn is a Freemason leading million of Christians astray with his new revelations, keys and mysteries.  He appears on every false teachers TV show and tickles peoples ears with this false teachings.  People need to ignore this man and his teachings.  We are living in the last of the last days and I believe there are going to be more men like Jonathan Cahn (possibly from a messianic stand point) coming to the forefront however they will be even more charismatic and even more deceiving, so much so that if it were possible even the Elect would be deceived.  Please note, he does not believe in the Rapture and believes Christians are going to go through the Tribulation.

Matthew 24:24  “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.”

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Discerning the World is an internet Discernment ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa that was founded by Deborah Ellish in 2008. Tom Lessing joined Deborah in May 2013. Tom Lessing founded the website "Waak en Bid/Watch and Pray" which was closed in 2013 and articles moved across to Discerning the World.

216 Responses

  1. RJ says:

    wow…. eyes opened big time!!!! THANK YOU for taking the time to write all this! I always held a “leeriness” in my spirit about Cahn, didn’t totally understand why! Now I do.

    Back to that “lonely path” (article you wrote) …. why is it only a very small number of Christians are aware of these things? All other Christians I know just “eat this stuff up”!! And act like you’re the paranoid fool if you don’t get on the bandwagon with them! (hypothetical question)

    That alpha light business = “scary stuff”!!!

  2. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    RJ

    >> why is it only a very small number of Christians are aware of these things? All other Christians I know just “eat this stuff up”!!

    Just a note: Tom wrote the article :)

    The bible will answer this question, “Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.” (Matthew 7:14)
    There is only a very small amount of born again believers walking that narrow path, the rest choose the world and Satan – they think by calling themselves Christian it will make them a Christian in God’s eyes, but He says, “So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.” (Revelation 3:16)

  3. RJ says:

    I looked for a byline to see which of you wrote it (to give proper credit due) — didn’t see one. You’re both excellent writers and mostly it’s noted & appreciated that you’re good Bereans of the Word!

    This will be a need to “re-read” as some of this stuff is just well….. like I say, “eye popping”.

  4. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Thanks RJ!!

  5. David says:

    I don’t ascribe to a pre trib rapture but I do know that Cahn is not to be followed!~

  6. angele says:

    beautiful comments. totally do agree. .

  7. david Hornstein says:

    I think you did a poor job of verifying a lot of your accusations.
    For Example, what evidence do you have that Cahn is a freemason. Zero,
    Nada, no e yet by our try to destroy his character by repeating that and twisting a lot of what he has shared to fit your accusations.
    I don’t think I have ever heard him say the America is a “replacement” or substitute for the nation of Israel, on The contrary, we are more of a reflection of the nation of Israel. Which doesn’t diminish Israel’s role in these last days which we arenin, you seem to doubt that with some of your conjectures.
    A bad expose for many reasons. You have an ax to grind with Cahn, and I’m not sure why. Judgement is coming against out sin and depravity,
    Whether we like it or not……
    Time will bear out the truth of what he has been saying and my spirit does not feel the need to condemn him for anything I have heard him say or do at this point.

  8. David wrote,

    I don’t ascribe to a pre trib rapture but I do know that Cahn is not to be followed!~

    Don’t worry, you don’t need to believe in a pre-trib rapture. You will be scooped up anyway if you are saved. Hopefully you won’t protest when it happens.

  9. Betsy Jo says:

    I’ve been warning folks about the falseness of this guy with pretty much just my own discernment, good to have some more research on him. Why, oh why do sooo many have itchy ears?? I know the times!! ~Lord, please draw folks back to yourself, the the good ol’ gospel of Jesus~ Maranatha

  10. Vanessa says:

    I would just like to make a comment about Hebrew Roots or the Messianic Movement. My husband and I were in the Christian church for over 30 years and Yahweh called us out of the church. At the time we couldn’t understand why, but over the past 10 years He has led us into His Torah. The Torah was Yahwehs instruction for man to live by. Yahshua (His Son) had to come to bring Salvation to man, but Yahshua in NO WAY did away with Torah. He kept it right up until His last supper with the disciples which was Passover, and He said He would not participate in this cup until He comes again…which means He will keep Torah on His return. The Christian church was established by pagans and founded on pagan doctrines. Don’t take my word for it, but search it out for yourself. When the Word says Yahshua came to fulfil the Torah does not mean He nailed it to the cross, but He fulfilled it and lived by it and then gave His life so that we could not only abide by Yahwehs Torah, but we could do so in the fulfilment of our Salvation through His Son Yahshua. We are to keep every Feast for Ever…these are Yahwehs Feasts not Jewish Feasts. The Sabbath is on the seventh day of the week being Saturday and not on Sunday as the pagans wanted it as a day for sun worship!! I am also sceptical of Jonathan Cahn, but really spend time in prayer about what the Father is doing in these last days with regards to the Messianic Movement. We are actually part of the 10 lost tribes of Israel whom Yahshua come back for the first time and will do so on the second coming as well. Read in Matthew where is says those not abiding in the Torah (law) will be cast into everlasting darkness.

  11. Vanessa, are you a Seventh Day Adventist?

  12. Loyd Keith Crawford says:

    WOW! Back to the books! I had only came across Jonathan Cahn and his teaching in the past few months. I have yet hear him to refer to these other resources……….RETHINKING and discerning. Thanks for the expose.
    II Thessalonians 2:6-12 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. KJV

  13. catpat says:

    Why ignore Johnathan Cahn’s Revelation? WAIT… wait & see if it comes to pass. It may be from The Lord! This article is divisive & liberally slings slander… The TRUTH will come out in time! WAIT TO SEE!

  14. tyree bruce says:

    I think this is very well written but I am concerned because I have seen him give the Gospel. I have seen him share his testimony as one who was an atheist. I don’t see him preaching anything about salvation other than Christ for forgiveness. What I do see is a rich teaching of the old Hebrew Customs, not as any part of being saved but in order to experience things in a way that Christians have never thought of. I mean, baptism, he believes in baptism as an outward sign of inward faith. I guess I am very confused as his message of Grace by Faith has spread where many would not have bothered in the past. His putting the USA in parallel with Israel is nothing short of uncanny. I am watching the At One Ment portion and I didn’t see anything wrong with what he said..he says we have to give God the very worst, all of it, we have to be willing to atone..not the good things but the very worst things.. You cannot deny the facts as he explains them. Now, if you are saying his revelations regarding judgement on the USA for denying our Christian foundation, and turning away from God are from Satan, I will have to scratch my head..it doesn’t seem as if that would be possible because he hasn’t twisted anything, he has put things out there in a very literal way..I guess I will keep on looking into this.you do have me wondering..

  15. tyree bruce

    Jonathan Cahn is into Hebrew mysticism and the Kabbalah. The Jesus of the Bible is not a mystical Jesus (John 18:20). Cahn’s Jesus is not the Jesus of the Bible (2 Corinthians 11:4).

    Please read this article here.

  16. catpat

    I think we should rather focus on God’s own Revelation (the last book in the Bible) than on Jonathan Cahn’s so-called revelation.

    Please read here and here.

  17. Kim says:

    catpat wrote:

    Here he says it again on Glen Becks show.  Glen Beck is a Mormon.  Why would a christian like Jonathan Cahn appear on a Mormon’s show?

    I totally agree, I have watched Jonathon Cahn several times, and as a Christian , I think he is a very brilliant man, that knows a lot about Jewish history and I do believe he has been sent by God to write the Harbinger !!! NO MAN COULD HAVE PUT ALL THAT TOGETHER WITHOUT GODS HELP !!!!

  18. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    david Hornstein

    >> A bad expose for many reasons. You have an ax to grind with Cahn, and I’m not sure why. Judgement is coming against out sin and depravity,

    You are the type of person who you can show the truth so that it jumps out and bites you and you will ignore it through and through. If you don’t want to see the truth, then follow Jonatha Cahn’s Alpha light ok and while you are at it you can try get into a state of oneness with God, ok? Good. now move on please and let people who care about the gospel of Jesus Christ pay attention to the truth.

  19. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Vanessa

    >> We are actually part of the 10 lost tribes of Israel whom Yahshua come back for the first time and will do so on the second coming as well.

    How do you know this? Are you just guessing or are you really Jewish? Because that is what it means to be part of the 10 tribes, it means you are actually Jewish.

  20. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    catpat

    >> WAIT… wait & see if it comes to pass.

    My goodness did you not read the article? I said in the article, “If anything happens during The Shemitah (September 2015), it’s not because of God and a connection to Isaiah 9:10, it’s because the Freemasons who control this world are pushing the buttons and they are making things happen (in cycles of 7 as it’s a ‘magic’ number) for their own purposes to further the progress of a New World Order.”

    So let’s repeat that: Satan will make it come to pass because it’s his timing and his hand at work. Not God. So if something happens in September you can not say it’s God and you can not say Jonathan Cahn is now a prophet of God either.

    Do you understand now? Please tell me you understand.

  21. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Dear tytee bruce

    >> have seen him give the Gospel.

    Yes I have also seen him preach the a version of the gospel that sounds pretty ok and then I have seen him tell HUGE satanic lies for eg, the Alpha light and State of oneness. Tell me, did the disciples, apostles and Jesus for that matter preach the truth and then preach satanic lies? No they did not, they preached the truth 100% of the time.

    That’s the catch Tytee, false teachers will preach the truth to a certain extent and then add in their false teaching – it’s called entrapment! He preaches the truth to hook people and because of this lures people into the dangers he will preach another time.

    >> it doesn’t seem as if that would be possible because he hasn’t twisted anything,

    You kidding right? Did you not read the Alpha light and state of oneness at the bottom of the article? If that is not scripture twisting then I give up.

  22. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Loyd

    Yes please go and review Jonathan Cahn under the microscope and you will get a shock. There are actually hundreds of other teachings from this list on Jonathan Cahn’s website

  23. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Kim

    Jonathan Cahn is VERY VERY clever, so clever that he is catching you out and you because you don’t want to go and investigate further are going to be caught out.

  24. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Thanks for the comment Betsy Jo :)

  25. Hanya says:

    Seems to me this guy has many things askewed. Lucifer existed with God our Creator in the Heavens before the Earth & many things. Lucifer was a very high angel, I believe an archangel. He WAS obediant to God, but then became disobedient (self-righteous). I believe he was called the angel of light, a lot of responsibility there. God’s Word in Genisis often states ‘we’ or ‘let us’ in the creation, so perhaps he was the light guy (LOL), but at some point he got others to side with him & so God kicked him out, and about a third of others went with him worshipping him instead of God. So, be careful in reading the Book. You better know the right translation from Hebrew and old Greek, Latin, etc, & the small light from the higher case Light in reference to Lucifer or Jesus… and that goes for small g or higher case in god or God, because indeed, Lucifer is NEVER God, and God is over everything including this world. Yes, Lucifer is call the prince of darkness in this world, where Jesus is the Prince of Peace in this world. I don’t have time to correct ALL your misunderstandings & twistings, but if you look carefully at the Freemasons, you will also learn when they refer to him of small light & He of the Greater LIGHT OF THE WORLD.
    First impression to less informed might be that you are quite educated, but you have plenty to learn. I pray you get set ‘straight’.

  26. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Hanya

    >> God’s Word in Genisis often states ‘we’ or ‘let us’ in the creation, so perhaps he was the light guy (LOL),

    Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”

    The ‘us’ or ‘we’ or ‘let us’ in Genesis refers the other part of the Trinity that being JESUS CHRIST and THE HOLY SPIRIT not Satan.

    >> and God is over everything including this world.

    Satan is god of this world However God is in control of this world and gives Satan free reign to do whatever he wants up to a point.

    When Jesus was being tempted, the following happened:

      Matthew 4:8 “Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

    Satan was made god of this world by mankind, read:

    Luke 4:6 “And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.”

    Satan is god of this world, so much so that he could offer Jesus all the kingdoms of the world if Jesus bowed down and worshiped him. The same applies to mankind, Satan is god of this world and if you bow down and worship him he will give you this world and all it’s riches because it’s his to give.

    And because of this John says that “the whole world lieth in wickedness” (1 Jn. 5:19) because

      Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

    >> First impression to less informed might be that you are quite educated, but you have plenty to learn. I pray you get set ‘straight’.

    Yes I pray you can one day distinguish between Satan and Jesus Christ.

  27. Hanya says:

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  28. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Just a note: It’s even getting so bad that not only is Jonathan Cahn seen as a prophet but people are now saying he is ONE OF THE TWO END TIME WITNESSES FROM REVELATION 11!!!

    What a lie. People please do not believe this stuff.

  29. catpat says:

    Dear Discerning Deborah ~ The Most High God is surely able to bring judgement on this earth according to Isaiah 9:10, as Cahn has claimed… Will He? According to scripture judgement comes to God’s people to edify & correct… Is He bringing it on a backsliding nation that ignores The God it has claimed from it’s founding, according to what Cahn says The Lord showed him? Don’t know… I say ~ WAIT ~ & while we wait ~ REPENT ~ Peace to you

  30. Justin says:

    Well, we will see come this late summer/fall whether he heard God or made it up.

  31. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    catput and Justin

    I have a feeling that something is going to happen in Sept because there is too much hype about it. But it’s not God’s timing and it’s not His hand. It’s all freemason planned.

  32. Natasha Lowery says:

    I am going to pray about what you’ve said here. I did consider Mr. Cahn a prophet. I don’t believe that prophets are for only the last days. Just because the Bible says that men and women will prophesy in the last days does not preclude them doing so before the last days. Even still, as you yourself acknowledge we are in the last of the last days, he could be a prophet of God. He could be Luciferian. Unfortunately, I can see both sides of the coin, which is especially troubling. How easy it is for even those who read scripture, pray and even fast to be deceived! Lord, have mercy! The Bible does not support a pre-tribulation rapture. In Revelation, we are shown the tribulation and then it says and THEN Jesus will return. So, it is tribulation, Jesus’s return for his believers, and then the wrath of God poured out on the unbelievers who are left. We are not getting out of the tribulation. The Bible is clear about this. If fact, Jesus tells believers that we will suffer and be persecuted and hated and that following him will bring us great troubles. We follow him anyway out of obedience. The disciples were martyred for their belief. Christians have been persecuted throughout history (by even “Christians” in the form of Catholics….i.e., the Crusades). Why should the last days be any different? Even now, Christians are being persecuted around the world by muslims and even “peace-loving” hindus. Why would we escape the tribulation? As God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow, why would He all of a sudden decide that end times Christians should be spared if he never spared them before? Are you confusing tribulation with God’s wrath poured out? These are two different events. Please revisit Revelation and see the truth. Tribulation is satan’s wrath poured out on believers and the great and terrible day of the Lord is God’s wrath poured out on unbelievers. Thank you for giving us all something to consider so that we can be discerning about what we believe and who we follow after. We must follow after Jesus and beware of false teachers. Sometimes, it seems easier just to remain in pray and read scripture rather than listen to Youtube videos and preachers. Probably safer to do that as well. Peace to you. In Christ.

  33. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Dear Natasha Lowery

    ‘those days and ‘the last days’ in these bible verses mean the tribulation.

    Acts 2:17-18 “And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:” 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
    (Joel 2:28)

    We are not in the tribulation…yet.

    >> The Bible does not support a pre-tribulation rapture. In Revelation, we are shown the tribulation and then it says and THEN Jesus will return.

    Read all our articles on the Rapture here:

    You confuse us being caught up in air with Jesus Christ second coming.

  34. Natasha Lowery wrote,

    The Bible does not support a pre-tribulation rapture.

    Would you mind telling me what Jesus meant when He said the following?

    Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning; And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately. (Luke 12:35-36)

    To whom is He speaking?

    The trouble of which Jesus speaks is his wrath which He is going to pour out on the entire world and not his Bride.

    Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. (Revelation 3:10)

  35. RJ says:

    admit: I was too impatient to listen to the entire youtube er, uh “sermon” ~ but did get to the 2 minute point & heard him speak several times of the “at ONE ment”

    Agree with you that this is an occultic new age term AND BELIEF!! While surfing, not purposely looking for, but came across this article at LightHouse Trails & with your hopeful permission, will post it here:
    http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=5095 This is more on the “at ONE ment” which I never even heard of before reading your article here!

    Real Christians let’s pray for each other! We’re in the battle zones!! I totally bottomed out (emotionally, spiritually, physically) over the last handful of days. I’m okay now, but I also realize every time I post something that the dark side (powers & principalities) sure like to come after me!

    Spiritual armor ON!!! We’re on the front lines here!

  36. Santos Garcia Jr says:

    You have made a significant number of ‘loose connections’ with selective statements from the texts, without recognizing that the premise of his writing in the ‘Harbinger’ are valid and evident in America. I question whether you have actually read ‘The Mystery of the Shemitah’ since the evidence stands up under scrutiny. It’s as if you have an axe to grind; I’m fortunate to have read, studied, and confirmed to my satisfaction the reality of these cyclic Judgments that are now clearly evident in America, as I am certain the many millions who have likewise read and studied the implications more carefully than you have would agree.

    I reviewed both books on my blog with clear and compelling evidence that corroborates the reality of the 9 ‘Harbingers’ and the cyclic mystery that is ‘The Shemitah’. In the right panel search field on my blog linked- type the two keywords, and read the articles with author interview links that clearly show the validity of the Rabbi’s exegesis. If one has not read them (I’ve read both more than once- 4 & 2), that person had no validity according to the Bible- (check Proverbs). ‘zionsgate.wordpress.com’

    ps… Do you call your biological Father- Father?… then why are you splitting hairs when clearly we all call our fathers father, our school teachers- teachers, and Rabbinical scholars- Rabbis. Sad… really.

  37. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Santos

    >> I’m fortunate to have read, studied, and confirmed to my satisfaction the reality of these cyclic Judgments that are now clearly evident in America

    Have you read, studied and confirmed what the bible has to say?

    Clearly not because you are happy to call Jonathan Cahn a Rabbi after the BIBLE (God’s Word to you) tells you that you are not too.

    You also dismiss his teachings on the Alpha light and State of Onement which are occult teachings.

    I am sorry but I can’t take your ‘studies’ of The Mystery of the Shemitah seriously if you can’t and don’t want to understand what false teaching is when it’s presented to you on a silver platter. Now that is sad.

  38. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Is Jonathan Cahn pro Roman Catholic?

    Only one building was not harmed which was St. Paul’s Chapel, which was protected by a sycamore tree that is believed to have captured the blast.[7][8] Cahn points out that St. Paul’s Chapel was also the place that the government of the United States prayed on the day of the first inauguration of George Washington on April 30, 1789. The sycamore is known today as the 9/11 Sycamore and a memorial was built for it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Harbinger_(novel)

    America’s “ground of consecration” was established in New York on April 30, 1789 on the occasion of the inauguration of our first president. The Nation’s first chief executive, George Washington, took his oath of office on April 30, 1789 on the balcony of the Senate Chamber at Federal Hall on Wall Street, NY. Washington’s first address to the American people included a prophetic warning: “… we ought to be no less persuaded that the propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained;”

    After the inauguration the new President, Congress and public walked from Federal Hall down the street to St. Paul’s Chapel to pray and commit the nation to God. That “ground of consecration” is now known as Ground Zero where the twin towers once stood. http://www.throneofgod.com/Harbinger/harbinger.html

    St Peters church is a Roman Catholic church that was saved from the blast because of the Sycamore tree. Cahn points out a connection, that it was the place where the government prayed back in 1789 and dedicated America to God. Wow, they prayed in a Roman Catholic church dedicated America to God in a Roman Catholic church. Really? Then God saved a Roman Catholic church to be used as a sign? I think not.

  39. Bren says:

    Thank you.

  40. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    RJ wrote:

    admit: I was too impatient to listen to the entire youtube er, uh “sermon” ~ but did get to the 2 minute point & heard him speak several times of the “at ONE ment”

    Agree with you that this is an occultic new age term AND BELIEF!! While surfing, not purposely looking for, but came across this article at LightHouse Trails & with your hopeful permission, will post it here:
    http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=5095 This is more on the “at ONE ment” which I never even heard of before reading your article here!

    Real Christians let’s pray for each other! We’re in the battle zones!! I totally bottomed out (emotionally, spiritually, physically) over the last handful of days. I’m okay now, but I also realize every time I post something that the dark side (powers & principalities) sure like to come after me!

    Spiritual armor ON!!! We’re on the front lines here!

    THANK YOU RJ FOR THIS :)

  41. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Thank you for commenting Bren!

  42. Animalaura says:

    NEWSFLASH: Mormons, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, …ARE Christians!! Most people are aware of that fact.

  43. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Animalaura

    NEWSFLASH: Mormons, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, …ARE NOT Christians!! EVERYONE that is born again is aware of that fact.

  44. JEREMIAH says:

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Animalaura

    NEWSFLASH: Mormons, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, …ARE NOT Christians!! EVERYONE that is born again is aware of that fact.

    That through this post, mormons would find a way to “pop up” amazes me. Mormons are not Christians even though they delude themselves they are. There is no mention of a new gospel, re John Smith’s Book of Mormon. On the contrary, Galatians 1 warns explicitly against such falsehood. Simple as A B C.
    As far as Jonathan Cahn is concerned, I choose to watch and pray.
    The emphasis on the Jewish elements does make me skeptical.
    “For I have resolved to know nothing else among you than Jesus Christ, and Him Crucified.” 1st Corinthians 2:2

    By Grace ALONE.

  45. I started reading the book and got a red light immediately. Started getting sick to my stomach. It’s called discernment!

  46. anon says:

    Hello. I don’t know if my comment will post but I will try for truths sake. This Jonathan Cahn guy is a liar because he is a false prophet. All these people who believe they have connections to king David are false. If people would read the bible they will see that the true Jews are in the land of captivity not in Israel. Those that are in Israel are imposter called Kaysars just like this guy. The real jews are people of color. Brown people (so called blacks). We identify the people by the curses not the blessings. People read the bible. The last day prophecies surround the True Jews which Jonathan Cahn is clearly not. This is a lie to keep the truth hidden. Just wanted to clarify things. He is not a Jew, rabbi, or anything. If he doesn’t repent he will perish like the rest of these liars.

  47. Dinah says:

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Is Jonathan Cahn pro Roman Catholic?
    Only one building was not harmed which was St. Paul’s Chapel, which was protected by a sycamore tree that is believed to have captured the blast.[7][8] Cahn points out that St. Paul’s Chapel was also the place that the government of the United States prayed on the day of the first inauguration of George Washington on April 30, 1789.

    St Peters church is a Roman Catholic church that was saved from the blast because of the Sycamore tree. Cahn points out a connection, that it was the place where the government prayed back in 1789 and dedicated America to God. Wow, they prayed in a Roman Catholic church dedicated America to God in a Roman Catholic church. Really? Then God saved a Roman Catholic church to be used as a sign? I think not.

    This is proving you are not getting your facts straight. It says right above that it was St. Paul’s Chapel and you changed it to St. Peters Roman Catholic. St. Paul’s is Episcopalian… I agree the spirit of anti-Christ is working through the Vatican and the RCC, and I don’t know much about Episcopalian, but if you want credibility for your statements you must get your facts straight. It seem you spend a lot of time slamming your fellow brothers and sisters in the faith, we are all just seeking the Truth here…praying for discernment. These are confusing times!

  48. Dinah,

    And you should agree that Christians often do make mistakes.

  49. Dinah

    I made a mistake. Sorry about that.

    Let’s look at St Paul’s Chapel designed by Freemasons, for Freemasons to worship a false God. Triangle roof with pillars – even has the checkered black and white tiled floor in the front of the church – this church is a Freemason lodge in disguise.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Paul%27s_Chapel
    https://www.trinitywallstreet.org/about/stpaulschapel

    It might not be Roman Catholic, it might be Episcopalian with Anglican roots – but it’s certainly not Christian :)

  50. Dinah

    Seeing as though when I tell something you think I am lying, (my only mistake was saying St Peter instead of St Paul) let’s look at what others say on the matter. Maybe you will believe them instead. Maybe you will believe wikipedia? Who knows.

    What is Episcopalian? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Episcopal_Church_(United_States)

    “The Episcopal Church (TEC), less commonly known by its other official title, the Protestant Episcopal Church in the United States of America[2] (PECUSA[3][4] or ECUSA[5][6][7]), is the United States-based member church of the worldwide Anglican Communion.”…

    “The Episcopal Church describes itself as being Reformed and “Protestant, Yet Catholic”.[8] …”

    “Until 1964, the only official name in use was “The Protestant Episcopal Church in the United States of America”. In the 19th century, High Church members advocated changing the name, which they felt did not acknowledge the church’s Catholic heritage.”…

    “In 1976, the General Convention adopted a new prayer book, which was a substantial revision and modernization of the previous 1928 edition. It incorporated many principles of the Roman Catholic Church’s liturgical movement, which had been discussed at Vatican II.”…

    “Varying styles and degrees of liturgical practice prevail within the church, including: traditional hymns and anthems, more modern religious music, Anglican chant, liturgical dance, charismatic prayer, and vested clergy. As varied as services can be, the central binding aspect is the Book of Common Prayer or supplemental liturgies. Most Episcopal services are similar in structure and liturgy to the Roman Catholic Church, as the Eucharist is the central focus of the service (often called mass), though Protestant theology in the Book of Common Prayer distinguishes Episcopal services from Roman Catholic ones.”…

    The list goes on.

    So I ask again…Is Jonathan Cahn pro Roman Catholic?

  51. bradly says:

    JEREMIAH wrote:

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Animalaura

    NEWSFLASH: Mormons, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, …ARE NOT Christians!! EVERYONE that is born again is aware of that fact.

    That through this post, mormons would find a way to “pop up” amazes me. Mormons are not Christians even though they delude themselves they are. There is no mention of a new gospel, re John Smith’s Book of Mormon. On the contrary, Galatians 1 warns explicitly against such falsehood. Simple as A B C.
    As far as Jonathan Cahn is concerned, I choose to watch and pray.
    The emphasis on the Jewish elements does make me skeptical.
    “For I have resolved to know nothing else among you than Jesus Christ, and Him Crucified.” 1st Corinthians 2:2

    By Grace ALONE.

    Please be careful not to speak for other churches that are not of your congregation … not for my benefit, but out of principle, to not jump to conclusions without first studying it out and taking the matter to the Lord. I am a mormon, as some choose to call it, and I love Jesus Christ more than I can adequately express. I love the Bible, I feel the Spirit often when I read it, and know it to be the word of God. I also love the scriptural record of the descendents of Joseph (of Egypt) … which are known to the world today at The Book of Mormon or “stick of Ephraim”. You mentioned in your comment that there is no reference for such a record or gospel in the Bible … but I invite all to prayerfully read the following 2 passages:

    Ezekiel 37:15-23

    15 ¶The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
    16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
    17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
    18 ¶And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
    19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
    20 ¶And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
    21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
    22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
    23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and willcleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

    **In this, we receive insight that two copies of their history were to be maintained throughout the generations of Judah and Ephraim respectively. The copy that was maintained and added upon by the tribe of Judah (the Jews) was eventually compiled and brought forth to the world as the Holy Bible. The other copy that was to be maintained by the generations of Ephraim … to eventually serve as another testament of Jesus Christ and mark the gathering of Christ’s covenant followers … was compiled and brought forth as The Book of Mormon (named after one of their civilization’s last prophet-historians who abridged the massive record). The “stick of Ephraim” mentioned in Ezekiel, came into the possession of one of his descendants, Lehi, around the time of Jeremiah’s ministry. Prior to destroying Jerusalem in the the 6th century BC, the Lord led Lehi’s family (with the records) out of the land and eventually to occupy the continents of North and South America (the ancient ancestors of our Native Americans). As commanded and prophesied in the book of Ezekiel, these two books (or sticks) are today joined in one to testify to the world that Jesus is the Christ, the very Son of God …”that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.” (Matt 18:16)

    One other scripture I would invite the readers to prayerfully consider …

    John 10:15-16

    15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
    16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

    ***Here, Jesus Christ himself hints to the people that He knows of and must proceed to gather other “sheep” that are not of that fold in the Holy Land, but are elsewhere in the world. This is also consistent with the before mentioned prophecy, wherein he says “I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and I will gather them on every side”. When Christ speaks of “sheep”, He refers to covenant people of the Lord who follow him (see the parable of the sheep and goats in Matthew 25). But as is the case and design of Christ’s parables, not everyone understood what He meant by His statement.

    I realize people may scoff at this explanation, but I have spoken the truth and leave it for the reader to consider … not to take my word for it, heaven forbid, but to ask God for themselves. That’s the beautiful and sacred thing about prayer, to whomever is sincere, God will answer them plainly with distinct feelings and thoughts (James 1:5)

    One final note … I have studied and pondered The Book of Mormon dozens of times and I can honestly say it has enriched my love for the Bible. In areas where the Bible has had confusion (from translation errors or otherwise), the same teaching was clarified to another nation in such a way to adequately cover that teaching and confirm the truth. I testify that God is good, He sees the end from the beginning, and will always prepare a way for those who faithfully follow Him, and that it only through the mercies and merits of Jesus Christ that we are saved, after all we can give and do. Amen.

    Thank you for your time. Good day.

  52. bradly wrote,

    Please be careful not to speak for other churches that are not of your congregation … not for my benefit, but out of principle, to not jump to conclusions without first studying it out and taking the matter to the Lord. I am a mormon, as some choose to call it, and I love Jesus Christ more than I can adequately express. I love the Bible, I feel the Spirit often when I read it, and know it to be the word of God. I also love the scriptural record of the descendents of Joseph (of Egypt) … which are known to the world today at The Book of Mormon or “stick of Ephraim”. You mentioned in your comment that there is no reference for such a record or gospel in the Bible … but I invite all to prayerfully read the following 2 passages:

    We are commanded to test all things. If whatever you believe does not harmonize with the Word of God we must reject it. And that’s precisely why Deborah said that Mormonism is not Christian and I agree with her.

    Ezekiel 37:15-23 has nothing to do with writing books – neither the Bible nor the book of Mormon. The prophet simply wrote the name “Judah” on one stick and the names “Ephraim and Joseph” on the other. Your assertion that the one is the Bible in the other the Book of Mormon completely ignores the clear interpretation in verses 18 to 28. After King Solomon’s death the nation was split into two in 931 BC. Judah was the Southern Kingdom. Israel was the Northern Kingdom, sometimes called Ephraim (Hosea 5:3, 5, 11–14). The uniting of the sticks is simply an allegory of God’s intention to restore and unite his people in the Land of Israel as a single nation at the Second Coming of Christ. (Hosea 1:11).

    You say you love Jesus. What Jesus are you talking about? There are many false Jesuses.

  53. bradly says:

    Thank you for your comments, Tom. I apologize if it seemed I ignored those later verses. Those are also very relevant, both for that ancient time and as a type or shadow of our day in age … even this special era of gathering, leading up to the time when the greatest of all, the prince of David (Jesus Christ), will return to the earth as lord of lords and king of kings. And oh what a day! When, as he says in verse 26, “I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.” I long for that great millennial day, as I’m sure you do.

    So, I didn’t ignore them … it was simply a deeper conversation than I thought would be tolerated in this particular instance. But I would love to discuss it more, if you are interested.

    To answer your question … I speak of Jesus of Nazareth who was born of Mary and consecrated for the holiest of missions. I speak reverently of this my Savior, who atoned for my sins and yours in the Garden of Gethsemane … he who came unto His own people as Messiah, and yet was rejected, mocked, scourged and crucified. I speak of Him, “the firstfruits of them that slept”, who rose from the grave on that third day. He lives! And because He lives, so will we. And I cannot thank Him enough for it. I can only give Him my heart, my hands to serve, and my allegiance … even my all.

    Thank you for the opportunity to share.

  54. bradly says:

    Tom, I realized I didn’t address the original concerns about the “sticks” … sorry about that.

    Christian Bible scholars have explained it better than I can, so I’ll just reference them. To be perfectly honest, I don’t know much at all about Matthew Easton, A.R. Faussett, or William Smith … but it seemed better to reference them here, instead of an LDS resource that might come across as being biased.

    All three mention these “sticks” or “cylinders” in relation to books or scrolls in former days.

    Scroll in Easton’s Bible Dictionary
    – Roll

    The common form of ancient books. The Hebrew word rendered “roll” or “volume” is “meghillah”, found in Ezra 6:2; Ps. 40:7; Jer. 36:2, 6, 23, 28, 29; Ezek. 2:9; 3:1-3; Zech. 5:1, 2. “Rolls” (Chald. pl. of sephar, corresponding to Heb. sepher) in Ezra 6:1 is rendered in the Revised Version “archives.” In the New Testament the word “volume” (Heb. 10:7; R.V., “roll”) occurs as the rendering of the Greek kephalis, meaning the head or top of the stick or cylinder on which the manuscript was rolled, and hence the manuscript itself.
    http://www.bible-history.com/eastons/R/Roll/

    Scroll in Fausset’s Bible Dictionary
    – Roll

    Ancient writings were rolled round a cylinder or stick. Volume means so (Jeremiah 36:2; Psalm 40:7; compare Deuteronomy 31:26; Ezekiel 2:9-10, where the writing “within and without” was contrary to the usage of writing only on one side, implying the fullness of the prophecy of woe. The writing was in columns (delathot), literally, doors, on parchment or prepared skins.
    http://www.bible-history.com/faussets/R/Roll/

    Scroll in Smiths Bible Dictionary
    -Roll

    A book in ancient times consisted of a single long strip of paper or parchment, which was usually kept rolled upon a stick, and was unrolled when a person wished to read it. The roll was usually written on one side only, and hence the particular notice of one that was “written within and without.” Eze 2:10 The writing was arranged in columns.
    http://www.bible-history.com/smiths/R/Roll/

    Hopefully that helped.

    Have a great weekend!

  55. Daniel says:

    Other than his referencing the Zohar, I agree with nearly all of what Cahn says. His connection between the US and Israel is accurate. The Christian population of America is represented by Ephraim, one of the lost tribes. This is very clear is you study the Old Testament and the tribes. And the feasts are meant to be kept, as are the commandments. The Roman Church corrupted the faith with their pagan holidays, rituals, dogmas, Sunday worship, etc. And America will soon face judgment, just as he claims, the signs of this coming are everywhere. The only thing that I find interesting I also noticed the masonic and gestures he uses, which led me to this article. That’s a little worrying, I wonder what his true purpose is..

  56. margie says:

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    catpat
    >> WAIT… wait & see if it comes to pass.
    My goodness did you not read the article? I said in the article, “If anything happens during The Shemitah (September 2015), it’s not because of God and a connection to Isaiah 9:10, it’s because the Freemasons who control this world are pushing the buttons and they are making things happen (in cycles of 7 as it’s a ‘magic’ number) for their own purposes to further the progress of a New World Order.”
    So let’s repeat that: Satan will make it come to pass because it’s his timing and his hand at work. Not God. So if something happens in September you can not say it’s God and you can not say Jonathan Cahn is now a prophet of God either.
    Do you understand now? Please tell me you understand.

    God is in charge of everything. If something comes to pass, it isn’t because of the freemasons, it’s because God allowed them to do what they planned to do. Nothing happens without HIS approval.

  57. badly

    Did you watch the video I posted?

  58. bradly

    Hopefully you can see that there is a vast difference between a roll (scroll) and a stick. The word for roll is “megillâh” pronounced meg-il-law’ and the word for stick is “‛êts,” pronounced ates. You are trying to read into Scripture which is not there and that’s dangerous. It is called deception.

  59. Daniel,

    You are a little worried about the masonic signs Jonathan Cahn makes but wholeheartedly believe that he is a prophet of God? How does that work for you? Masonic signs are from the devil and yet you believe he is a prophet of God who predicts things accurately? What is wrong with you?

    Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! (Isa 5:20)

  60. bradly says:

    I’m a third of the way through it … it’s a little lengthy. :)

    With the various discussion items, already in the first 40 minutes or so, it would feel very narrow and unproductive to merely pick 1 or 2 to elaborate on. Also, some of the topics are very sacred in nature and probably shouldn’t be discussed loosely in an open forum.

    Overall, it seems like they had good intentions in making the video. I am a little disappointed by some of the context/framing of a handful of the quotes, but I can see that did the best they could with the information they had.

    Tom, you’ve been kind to interact with me. I am glad you are a god-fearing man, and I wish you the best.

    I affirm to everyone once more that I believe in Jesus Christ. I know that He is our Redeemer and the only name under heaven by which we can be saved. I do not pretend to know that, I am certain.

  61. bradly wrote,

    I affirm to everyone once more that I believe in Jesus Christ. I know that He is our Redeemer and the only name under heaven by which we can be saved. I do not pretend to know that, I am certain.

    In that case you cannot remain in the Mormon church. You must leave it. It is either Mormonism or Jesus Christ. You cannot have both. Jesus said,

    Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. (John 10:1-5)

  62. HinTom and Deb

    Thanks for posting this discission. I have a few friends swallowing this hook line and sinker, but won’t read the Word to see different.

    Regarding pre-trib as i see some of the posts, if i may address that part a bit more clearly.

    Rev 12 speaks of a man-child – not Jesus, but those born from a woman, the Body of Christ on Earth (hate saying “the Church “cuz some think it as RC), anyway the man-child was taken up right after birth.

    As well the woman who gave birth (not Mary) fled into the wilderness for 3.5 (times) where God has prepared a place for her and then wasnt seen after that but her seed was mentioned that the serpant was wroth with.

    That seed are those who i believed got saved or reminant of the Church left behind.
    To say all Christians will be raptured isnt biblical too. Story of the 10 virgins, 5 wise, 5 foolish dispells that notion.

  63. Should be Hi Tom and Deb…dang ipad autocorrect

    How do you change the avitar? Dont like mine as looking angry :-b.

  64. Bradly, if it helps my wife was a past Mormon and renounced and remover her name from their book of life – so she was serious about following Jesus.

    The verse that set her free was the 3rd from last verse of the Bible

    Rev 22:19 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

    I would say Bradly is dig deeper into the Mormon teachings. They preach Jesus and Lucifer were brothers; we are becoming gods; baptize for the dead which ends up taking away man’s free will. Think of it, baptize for Hitler? Plus they deny the gifts of the Holy Spirit are not for today, but have ceased with the Apostles.

  65. Hi Tom-the other one

    The church (all true believers) are never referred to as “a man child.” She is always referred to as the “Bride of Christ” or a “chaste virgin.” Revelation 12 clearly identifies the “man child” for us in these words, “And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. (Revelation 12:5). This clearly proves that the “man child” is Jesus Christ. In fact “who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron” is a quote from Psalm 2 which, you must agree, is a Messianic Psalm. “Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.” (Psalm 2:8-9). I’m sure you will agree that this section of the Psalm refers to the literal thousand years reign of Jesus Christ on the earth when He is going to ascend his father, David’s throne to rule the nations. (Luke 1:30-33).

    You are right in saying the woman in Revelation 12 is not Mary and neither is she the church. She is Israel. If the man child is Jesus Christ as we’ve seen from Psalm 2, then the church (Bride of Christ) cannot possibly be the woman because the Body of Christ (all the believers) could never have brought forth Christ Jesus, the man child. The church came forth from the man child and not the other way around. Indeed, Jesus Himself said “salvation is of the Jews.” (John 4:22). There are many other proofs that the woman in Revelation 12 is Israel which I can’t go into right now.

    The five wise and five foolish virgins have nothing to do with the Rapture. At the Rapture the Bride of Christ is caught up to meet the Lord in the air so as to be with Him for evermore. Matthew 25 follows Matthew 24 chronologically which Jesus described as the Great Tribulation. The five wise and five foolish virgins refer to believing Jews (who had enough oil and will be prepared to meet their King Messiah at his Second Coming right at the end of the Tribulation) and unbelieving Jews (who did not have oil and therefore will not be prepared) respectively.

    The Bride of Christ is one body and cannot be separated so that one part is raptured and another part is not. The entire Body of Christ (Bride of Christ) will be raptured. You cannot divide the Bride of Christ and have one part standing next to the Bride in heaven when their wedding is consummated and the rest still on earth being battered, persecuted and murdered on earth. Imagine Jesus saying to his Father, “Father, let us rejoice. Here is a part of my Bride. The rest are still on earth waiting to be raptured. I’m sorry but I could not rapture the entire Body of believers.”

  66. Yeremyah,

    The following was taken from the Berean Call with whom I agree.

    Jun 1 1995

    Question: I’ve recently read documentation showing that the pretrib Rapture theory originated with a Jesuit priest, Emmanuel Lacunza, in the late 1700s, was picked up by an Edward Irving of Scotland (who translated Lacunza’s lengthy book from Spanish in 1826), and from Irving spread via a Margaret MacDonald to J. N. Darby and C. I. Scofield, who popularized it. Aren’t you embarrassed to teach a doctrine that originated with a Jesuit?

    Response: The alleged Lacunza-Irving-MacDonald connection to Darby and Scofield has not been proved. Moreover, such speculation by MacPherson and others is pointless. Who cares where Darby and Scofield first got the idea of a pretrib Rapture? All that matters is what the Bible has to say on this subject!

    I was taught a pretrib Rapture from childhood—not from the writings of Darby or Scofield, but from the Bible. As a Berean, I would not accept any belief were I not convinced that it was biblical. I hold to a pretrib Rapture because the Bible teaches it. I challenge you to check How Close Are We? against the Bible.

    Furthermore, the claim that the pretrib Rapture was unknown in the church prior to Lacunza and Darby is not true. A sermon of uncertain authorship dating to at least the sixth century clearly presents the pretrib position. Titles “On the Last Times, the Antichrist, and the End of the World,” it declares, “All the saints and elect of God are gathered together before the tribulation, which is to come, and are taken to the Lord, in order that they may not see at any time the confusion which overwhelms the world because of our sins.” For more information contact the Pre-Trib Research Center.

    You are using the same old argumenmts the anti Pre-Trib protagonists have been using along and they have been been proven to be false aggain and again.

  67. Tom -the other one wrote:

    Should be Hi Tom and Deb…dang ipad autocorrect

    How do you change the avitar? Dont like mine as looking angry :-b.

    Hi tom the other one
    You can change your avatar by going to http://www.gravatar.com and adding the picture you want there and link it to your email address – the same address you used when you commented. Then this default picture will change to your picture.

  68. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    anon

    >> If people would read the bible they will see that the true Jews are in the land of captivity not in Israel.

    where is this land of captivity? Africa? Ethiopia?

    You kidding right?

  69. Thank you Jesus for being my way to salvation! says:

    Only one thing I found corrupt in this post.

    You cited from Isaiah 14:12, and you stated “where Satan is called הֵילֵל heylel (hay-lale’) in hebrew meaning “the morning-star” (in the sense of brightness) and it’s root word means “to shine”. So as we can see Satan is seen as someone who gives light.”
    First that verse does not include the word “heylel” don’t change the word of Christ. No need to say what the hebrew meaning is when the meaning is already there. You must be using the NIV version because it says “How you have fallen from heaven, MORNING STAR, son of the dawn! You have been
    cast down to the earth,”

    If you refer to both the NIV and the KJV. in Rev 22:16. “16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and MORNING STAR.”

    What you just stated in Iseiah 14:12 from the NIV is the one that fell from Heaven was Jesus and not Lucifer. If you look in Isaiah 14:12 from within the KJV. It states “12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!” TOTALY DIFFERENT.

    Here Lucifer is defined clearly, and not mistaken with Jesus. There are many different version of bibles out there, why do you think that is, why would you ever need such a big variety. The devil has always tried corrupting the word of Christ, this is one example. I’m not disagreeing with most of what you said concerning Jonathan Cahn, just be careful and pray for you have also been deceived by the devil! Don’t concentrate so heavenly in disproving people, that Is not your job as a believer. Instead get your faith and salvation straight first, and place your efforts on saving others.

  70. Thank you Jesus for being my way to salvation! wrote:

    I’m not disagreeing with most of what you said concerning Jonathan Cahn, just be careful and pray for you have also been deceived by the devil! Don’t concentrate so heavenly in disproving people, that Is not your job as a believer. Instead get your faith and salvation straight first, and place your efforts on saving others.

    Like you, we also thank Jesus for our salvation which mneans that, like you, we already have our faith and salvation straight. Disproving people when they twist Scripture IS our job because we are commandeded to test all things and to warn others.

    Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. (Jas 5:19-20)

    So, now you’ve learned something. Go and do it.

  71. Thank you Jesus for being my way to salvation! wrpte:

    “You cited from Isaiah 14:12, and you stated “where Satan is called הֵילֵל heylel (hay-lale’) in hebrew meaning “the morning-star” (in the sense of brightness) and it’s root word means “to shine”. So as we can see Satan is seen as someone who gives light.”

    First that verse does not include the word “heylel” don’t change the word of Christ.

    The word הֵילֵל heylel (hay-lale’) is used in both the NIV and KJV for Lucifer. The word “shachar” means “Morning star” or “day star.” Who is wrong now and chanigng (corrupting) the Word of Christ?

  72. Thank you Jesus for being my way to salvation! says:

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  73. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Thank you Jesus for being my way to salvation!

    Isaiah 14:12 KJV
    12 How art thou fallen H5307 from heaven H8064, O Lucifer H1966, son H1121 of the morning H7837 H3213! how art thou cut down H1438 to the ground H776, which didst weaken H2522 the nations H1471

    H1966 (Mickelson’s Enhanced Strong’s Greek and Hebrew Dictionaries)
    H1966 הֵילֵל heylel (hay-lale’) n-m.
    1. the morning-star
    [from H1984 (in the sense of brightness)]
    KJV: lucifer.
    Root(s): H1984
    H1984 הָלַל halal (haw-lal’) v.
    2. to shine

  74. I would say that if you believe in the rapture when the Bible says “EVERY eye will see Him (when He returns)” and “The dead in Christ will rise FIRST”, then YOU are deceived and leading others astray. (If you have an open mind to the truth, then this comment will remain.)

    Daniel was protected IN the Lion’s den, he was not raptured away from it.

    Daniel’s friends were protected IN the furnace, they were not raptured away from it.

    Jesus endured the cross and said “If they persecuted me, they WILL persecute you ALSO”. Why would God rapture us from trials and not His beloved Son from trials?

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  75. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Bart

    Are you a Calvinist?

    >> Daniel was protected IN the Lion’s den, he was not raptured away from it. Daniel’s friends were protected IN the furnace, they were not raptured away from it.

    Becausseeeeee….that was not the rapture, The rapture is where God protects the whole worlds Christians from the HOUR OF TEMPTATION.

    >> Why would God rapture us from trials and not His beloved Son from trials?

    You kidding right? When you die will it be for the sins of the world? What belief do you follow because you sure don’t sound like a born again Christian??

    >> Jesuits…

    This nonsense is getting really old, like so last season, can’t you come up with something new?

    Here is a question for you, you want God to protect you on earth during the tribulation, but you don’t want Him to take you way from earth before the tribulation starts? Or wait a second…don’t you want God to protect you during the tribulation? Am I missing something here?

  76. Bart Sibrel,

    You are deceived to think God is going to protect you in the tribulation. God Himself says:

    And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. (Rev 13:7)

    So God is telling you pointblank that He is not going to protect you should you go through the tribulation. Antichrist is going to cut off your head. What kind of protection is that?

  77. HJ Ross says:

    Messianic Jews are of a different order than Christians. Apostle Paul was a Israelite from the tribe of Benjamin, he was not a messianic Jew. Without the understanding of Jew and Gentile one will never understand the Bible. Gentile means “Nation” Gentiles mean “Nations”.

    Abraham seed became many “Gentiles”, NO! they became many “Nations” Gen 17:5b, for a father of many “nations” have I made thee. H#1471. gowy, go’ee;— Hey someone got it backward here, the jews say that everyone else are Go’ee.

    The understanding of Jew and Israel is the most critical part of the Bible, or else you will think that Jesus is or was a Jew.

    Jesus was an Israelite from the tribes of Judah and Levi, both the King and Priest, tribes. Leviticus by His mother physical seed and Priestly by his step Father legal marriage to His mother.

    On the other hand today’s Jews have no DNA back to ancient Israel. None whatsoever! They are traced back to the Khazar’s of the 7th century AD, but that’s the end of their lineage.

    The jews that Jesus Christ opposed were of the Canaanites and Esau, which are not nor never were, Israelite’s

    Christians following Jonathan Cahn is indeed a sad bunch..

  78. HJ Ross wrote:

    The understanding of Jew and Israel is the most critical part of the Bible, or else you will think that Jesus is or was a Jew.

    Jesus was an Israelite from the tribes of Judah and Levi, both the King and Priest, tribes. Leviticus by His mother physical seed and Priestly by his step Father legal marriage to His mother.

    Rubbish! Was Jesus Christ lying when He said “. . . salvation is of the Jews.” (John 4:22)

    You wrote:

    On the other hand today’s Jews have no DNA back to ancient Israel. None whatsoever! They are traced back to the Khazar’s of the 7th century AD, but that’s the end of their lineage.

    The following comes from TBC (The Berean Call)

    May 1 1996

    Question: There seems to be an increasing belief among many Christians that the Jews in Israel and most of those around the world today are not real Jews descended from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, but descendants of the Khazars who adopted the Jewish religion. Is this true? And also, didn’t most of Israel disappear when the ten tribes were lost, and weren’t the rest of the Jews lost through intermarriage?

    Response: No. It is true that the Khaganor ruler of the Khazars adopted Judaism for himself and his people in the eighth century, but these “Jews” by conversion were never confused with the ethnic Jews living among them. Furthermore, when the Khazar state was overthrown in 965, the Khazars fled and soon disappeared as a people through intermarriage. The last vestiges of the Khazars in the Crimea were wiped out in about 1016 by the Greeks and Russians. There is no evidence that the Khazars intermarried with the Jews to such an extent that Jews were lost as a people. Such a theory is unreasonable because only a small fraction of world Jewry was living among the Khazars.

    It is the Khazars who disappeared, and to suggest that all of the Jews all over the world were somehow absorbed by them or that they became known as Jews is neither logical nor supported by history. It is a myth that the Ashkenazim Jews of Russia and Europe are not real Jews but Khazars who migrated there when their country was overrun by invaders.

    As for the so-called “ten lost tribes,” that is another myth. They were not lost. We dealt with this question in the November 1992 newsletter . Both of these ideas are a form of anti-Semitism. Rather than putting the Jews in the ovens, they are exterminated by simply denying that those known as Jews are the descendants of Jacob.

    No historic research is needed to recognize that all theories are false which deny that the Jews in Israel and around the world are real Jews from all twelve tribes. The Bible promises that Israel shall not cease from being a nation forever (Jer:31:35-36) and that Israel’s scattered survivors will return to their promised land where the Messiah will reign over His chosen people from the throne of His father David. We have the choice of believing the promises in God’s Word or these anti-Semitic theories.

    Your argument is old hat and becoming rather monotonous. It is sickening.

  79. GMan says:

    Hello I don’t post in these forums hardly ever. I’m more of a salvation guy verses theology. I must agree Jonathan Can and a host of other TV evangelist are pushing false doctrines. I’m not here to argue just share what I’ve uncovered since troubling times are upon us. I have done some research and agree secret societies (free masons, skull and bones, etc..)are behind all of what is occurring today spiritually. I was heart broken to find out Billy Graham was a 33rd degree mason. I grew up in a Baptist Church here in Md. It is my understanding that at that degree they Identify the Luciferan agenda. I’ve seen Binny Hinn and Joyce Meyers in person. I’ve watched John Hagee and thought man he is good. So I did a little test and viewed Jentezen Franklin on TV the other day and of course he was wanting money for something he was building and I must have counted 20+ free mason hand gestures. Then I think of Matt 7:13 the path is narrow and hard to follow and few will find it………THEN just recently I see Glenn Beck wearing a “seeing eye t-shirt” and come to find out he’s a member of skull and bones (The Bush’s favorite one) (Don’t believe me google it). There is so many sheep in wolves clothing. All TV pastors have sold there souls for money and fame. Like it says in Matt what is it to profit the whole world but to loose your soul. It seems like most of these guys are also Pre-tribers (rapture)and maybe there pushing that agenda so when there still here on earth and Satan appears as an angel of light, they will run to him ( I mean isn’t that the way Satan works through deception) that is when the great falling away will occur and because they listened to the TV preacher and didn’t study to show there self approved the will run to SATAN(the angel of light.
    So I said all that to say this….I believe we are living in the end times. I must admit the rapture thing is a little confusing (salvation guy)My question is wouldn’t God want to remove his people before Satan does his thing, like with Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah AND then some say there is a Rapture but its after the tribulation, which means all Christian who don’t take the mark of the beast will suffer. Again I am not here to argue but to understand my Lord and Savior so I’m better prepared and I can give others accurate information………….Sorry no time to proof ready………..

  80. GMan wrote:

    So I said all that to say this….I believe we are living in the end times. I must admit the rapture thing is a little confusing (salvation guy)My question is wouldn’t God want to remove his people before Satan does his thing, like with Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah AND then some say there is a Rapture but its after the tribulation, which means all Christian who don’t take the mark of the beast will suffer. Again I am not here to argue but to understand my Lord and Savior so I’m better prepared and I can give others accurate information………….Sorry no time to proof ready………..

    If you are a salvation guy, as you say, then the Pre-Trib Rapture should be of the utmost importance to you because it concerns your ultimate salvation. There is a salvation from sin and eternal death and a salvation from the corruptible unto the incorruptible. The first relates to your conversion and the second to the Rapture when your corruptible body will be transformed into an incorruptible to meet the Lord in the air at the Rapture. That’s why the book of Hebrews says:

    Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. (Hebrews 7:25)

    To the uttermost refers to your transformation from this corruptible body to an incorruptible one when Jesus returns for his Bride at the Rapture.

    If the Rapture is after the tribulation, then very little saints will remain to be rraptured because Antichirst is going to kill (behead) most of them.

    And it was given unto him [by God] to make war with the saints, and to overcome them [kill them]: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. (Revelation 13:7)

    At any rate Jesus promised to take his Bride out of the world when God’s wrath falls on the entire world during the seven year tribulatiion.

    Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. (Revelation 3:10)

  81. Kathy B. says:

    Has anyone else noticed that in the video of Jonathan Cahn on the Glenn Beck show, as Glenn is walking past the couch, there is a cushion on it with a skull and crossbones wearing a royal crown? Then there is another cushion like it on Glenn’s chair. Creepy! Why would someone who supposedly wants to honor and serve Jesus Christ have cushions that portray death as “royàlty”? Jesus is King of kings and Lord of Lords, and He defeated death at Calgary!

  82. Kathy B.

    You made a very good onservation. I did not notice it. Thanks.

  83. Kathy B. says:

    You’re welcome!

  84. Robert Weiss says:

    Johnathon Cahn is a Messianic Jew Rabbi, not a christian. Our Jesus is not His Messiah.

  85. Pete Howlett says:

    I thought the revolutionary message of Jesus Christ was ‘Love everyone”. I also thought that God was the judge, not Man and that it was His Church and not Man’s. I think I can pretty much identify from stuff like this who is lining up to cast the first stone. It was one of the Sanhedrin who said that there was nothing they could do if Jesus did prove to be the Messiah and boy, was he correct on that point.

  86. Pete Howlett,

    Indeed, Jesus loves everyone and that is why He warned us against false prophets like Jonathan Cahn. (Matthew 24:4; Galatians 1:8-9).

    Indeed, God is the Supreme Judge but He also commanded us to judge all things. (1 Corinthians 2:15). If you don’t you are disobeying Him.

    Indeed, it is His church but He commanded us to feed and tend to the lambs and the sheep. You seem to want to feed them poison instead of good and wholesome food. If you refrain from warning them against wolves in sheeps clothing, you don’t love Him. (John 21:16-17).

    Indeed, Jesus is the Messiah but as He warned ther will me many false Messiah’s in the last days. Who are you following?

  87. Sal says:

    First, God confirms the words of His prophets. If people are truly of God, there words will be confirmed. In this case, I believe this to be no different. Jonathan Cahn gave 2 warnings. His first caution stated that September may come and be rather uneventful. (This has been largely true). The fire in California may be the beginning of desolations “determined” as a result of judgment on America, but for the most part it has been largely “uneventful.” His second caution is that something destructive does come and we should be prepared. The point I want to make here is that God does confirm the word of His prophets. The fact that September has been largely “uneventful” has fulfilled the first part of Jonathan’s cautions. But if Jonathan is a true prophet of God, the second caution is still to come (destruction). One last point I will say is this. The abominations of gay marriage in all 50 states, the white house in rainbow colors, and the idol in lights on the empire state building certainly seems to me that America (Babylon and the Queen of Nations referred to in Revelation) will not escape the “desolations” that are determined as explained in Daniel chapter 9. Regarding a comment about someone’s previous comment about Jonathan Kahn possibly being one of the 2 witnesses of revelation. I believe this could be true. God tests all His prophets before He uses them for greater works. Perhaps this is a time of testing for Him. I don’t believe that Jonathan contrived the Harbinger or the Shemitah of his own imagination, as God is a revealer of mysteries. One last point. It’s biblically wise to “not to believe every spirit, but to test the spirits whether they are of God.” But I encourage every one to do this. If you really have a personal relationship with Jesus, ask Him if Jonathan Cahn is His true prophet, and if the message and warning of the Harbinger and Shemitah is a word for America. Jesus is the Good Shephard and He will tell you. But know this, that even people of Jesus day were divided about whom Jesus was. Some said “He is a good man. Others said, ‘no’ he deceives the people.” (see John 7:12) Just food for thought.

  88. John novak says:

    I have know of this johnathan cahn and beth Israel for over 20 years and they have become more heretical since they moved to wayne nj location and they are very strange about being over security awareness when they were in garfield but now if you even try to talk to or approach johnathan cahn the has nazi like storm troopers for security that are ready to jump you if they think you are a threat the over security is insane and not needed. Johnathan cahn sits at a table signing books after service like he was a rock star figure people line up to meet him and buy his books it is very disgusting people believe every word that comes out of his mouth like he is a living prophet and dare you question him you are playing with judgement from God to doubt the words from god’s prophet

  89. Ceil says:

    So, if this is saying he is a follower of satan, then why does he tell people to turn FROM their sin and turn TO God?

  90. Ceil,

    The Roman Cahtolic Church also tells people to turn from sin and to turn to God. Are they saved? The damsel possessed with a spirit of divination followed Paul and cried out “These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.” (Acts 16:16). She was telling the truth but Paul had to rebuke the foul spirit in her. Telling people the truth and then adding lies, is more dangerous than Satan himself. Have you ever heard Jonathan Cahn telling people how to be saved?

  91. Stephanie says:

    I wish I could have found this site earlier. Today’s date is September 28, 2015 and I have been depressed and worried now for months that we were going to be experiencing some great depression due to the judgment that Cahn has said is coming to the U.S. I have had a sense of dread since about May, 2015 with the knowledge of what was coming. I am so mad at myself for believing this nonsense and allowing Satan to steal my joy. I guess I am a pretty gullible person and Cahn was so convincing – because it does seem like our country is heading toward judgment (based on all of the “turning against God” that our country has been engaged in). I guess I’ve learned my lesson and will be more discerning next time I hear stuff like this.

  92. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Dear Stephanie

    You are not alone, many people including I have had our minds ‘temporarily’ removed from the prize, that is Jesus Christ and been made to focus on other things instead, things that are nothing but lies of the devil. For a few days I felt really down, spiritually down in the dumps. But after much prayer Jesus Christ has made me realise the error and I am now focused on the what the Word of God says and not what some person on Youtube says. There is just too much dis-information and occult lies out there and we can’t get caught up in the stream of nonsense that is flowing around us. We need to stay focused on what the bible says.

  93. Jane Doe says:

    I think it’s very clear that this website was created by principalities manipulating and putting doubt into people’s minds – creating division and double-mindedness in believers. It shakes the Christian faith because most of the information you put up are all dubious. Satan does not tell complete lies, just half truths and that’s exactly what you have done here. You try to take what little information you have of Jonathan and added in your own spices to make it believable enough to cast doubt into the believer’s mind. The spirit of deception is VERY strong here and he’s really established his stronghold here. You don’t know the bible very well either: you just pick and choose bible verses, mostly out of context because you have little biblical knowledge and just discredit every man of God who is telling the truth. You still can’t account of many of the miraculous things that have happened in Jonathan’s ministry. I’m not surprised but my dear, you have picked the wrong side of this war to fight on. You’re not going to win. When God is on our side, who can come up against us. It’s still not too late to repent and turn back to God. Stop slandering your Christian brothers and sisters, in Jesus Name.

  94. Jane Doe,

    You are welcome to evaluate this site in the light of what God’s Word says. However, you are not bing a Berean but are making blanket statements that mean absolutely nothing. Show us from Scripturen where we are wrong and we will set it straight.

  95. Joe says:

    Jane Doe you said, “You don’t know the bible very well either: you just pick and choose bible verses, mostly out of context because you have little biblical knowledge and just discredit every man of God who is telling the truth.”

    Will you be so kind to give us a couple of examples where the verses picked were taken out of context?

  96. RJ says:

    RE: post by Jane Doe (is that your REAL name BTW, or are you LYING?) Time to check the fruit, when you so readily accuse others here of “SLANDERING”!!

    From all the various articles I’ve read at this site, I don’t see anyone slandering any “Christian” “brothers and sisters”!! Anyone who is of satan is ~NOT~ brother or sister to a real Christian. Amen!

    We are to TEST the spirits to see if they come from God, or did you not know that is in the Bible?

    1 John 4:1 ESV
    Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

    I do not care WHO it is — and how many tricks they’ve got up their sleeve or how many miracles they can pull out of a bag… did you know THEE false prophet of Revelation who reigns during the Tribulation (side- kick to the AntiChrist) will also work many miracles in front of people’s very eyes? (and deceive them, because the world will think he is such a “good guy”!)

    14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works. 2 Cor 11:14-15

    Never thought of this before, but this man brings up an excellent point in that even Satan CLAIMS to be a Christian!! ‘s%20Corner/Doctrines/angel_of_light.htm

  97. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Sal

    Shemitah has come and gone and…. … … … what now? Are you going to look for another ‘profit’ to fill your head with nonsense?
    I tell you what, read your bible instead, in there it tells you what’s going to happen.

  98. Paullette Bird says:

    I would like to suggest that all of the rhetoric is academic when you consider that many christians in the world do not have access to computers, extra readings let alone trying to process these matters on their own with limited intelligence, hence you are best to take God at his word and straighten your soul up with the word an prayer and Christ, salvation first, baptism and then walking your walk with prayer an grace through faith, that is probably why the bible is enough an these people who come through with new teachings much be carefully looked at, just thinking out loud at how overwhelming this subject would be to a new believer, Go Bless P

  99. Cindy says:

    What proof do you have that he is a free mason? That’s a pretty big accusation.

    The thing is, Jonathan Cahn is right, the US is coming under judgement because of our sins. The economy will collapse. There will be food shortages. It’s all a matter of time. I don’t know much about his other teachings, but his message of repentance and judgement is in line with what other pastors are saying.

    So to say that his father is Satan is very risky.

  100. Cindy,

    What’s so special about America that it should be the only country to come under God’s judgments? God is going to judge all the nations, not only America.

  101. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Cindy

    Do you think America is the only country in the world coming under God’s judgement? What is so special about America? Are you one of those who cheer everytime America wins it’s own own world cup in american football because no other country plays the sport? But by golly America is No.1, lol. Really? Think a bit please. There is an entire world out there besides America.

    Secondly, he is a freemason, he has been exposed on Youtube (over and above the photos in the article) giving his masonic brother Pat Robertson a masonic handshake. See video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spwBHCKAfcc

    Thirdly, if you bothered to read the article, he preaches gnostic teachings; Alpha light and at-one-ment. But you seem to ignore this. As long as he preaches ‘repentance and judgement’ in the Lords name then I guess he is godly according to you.

    Fourthly, he teaches from the Kaballah and admits that it’s a fantastic source of info to use in conjunction with biblical scripture.

    Fithly, he is a false prophet, he prophesied (because God told him) a world wide financial collapse on a specific date in September (because God told him). And guess what? It never came to pass. He is a false teacher. Yes tons of other stuff happened in September as it has in October and will in November, December, January etc to the last day, when Jesus returns. He got everyone rallied up about the Shemitah and applied a time period set by God for Israel to America and expected something to happen. It didn’t.

    He is a false teacher and it’s clear as daylight for all to see who love the gospel truth and are not swayed by false prophets and their satanic teachings.

  102. anita says:

    I would like very much to connect to a few real christians
    If any of you are on facebook — thank you

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    RJ

    >> why is it only a very small number of Christians are aware of these things? All other Christians I know just “eat this stuff up”!!

    Just a note: Tom wrote the article :)

    The bible will answer this question, “Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.” (Matthew 7:14)
    There is only a very small amount of born again believers walking that narrow path, the rest choose the world and Satan – they think by calling themselves Christian it will make them a Christian in God’s eyes, but He says, “So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.” (Revelation 3:16)

  103. Dear Anita

    I am not on facebook, I am on Google+ but that does not mean the people on Google+ are Christian. Please read this article called “a very lonely path”: https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2015/05/25/a-very-lonely-path/

  104. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Here we have Johnathan Cahn lighting a 9 stick Menorah, the biblical Menorah is a 7 stick candle holder, the 9 stick is a false Menorah and reflects all paths leading to one God. For someone who is a Rabbi you would think he would know the difference between a biblical Menorah and a Universal Menorah. But he does not, because he follows the Kabbalah that teaches all paths lead to one God (Lucifer).

    See picture here: https://www.discerningtheworld.com/images/wpi/Jonathan-Cahn-by-ha-navi-gallery-ajmu.jpg

  105. brother Zed says:

    Khan is a con. He has all kinds of revelations but does not accept the revelation already given us in the scriptures. Jesus said call no man Rabbi, Master, or Father. This is a revelation that many refuse to accept. This title is an elevation of a man to the status of Master that belongs only to God. He is like the money changers that Jesus threw out of the temple for peddling their wares. That is all he is a merchandizer of falsehoods for profit and that is why he is on all these false money grubbing preacher shows as they distribute the profits. It is shameful. To get greater insight to this problem google Jesse Duplantis False Preacher Forgotten Word Ministries and see the comments of brother Zed.

  106. Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    RJ
    >> why is it only a very small number of Christians are aware of these things? All other Christians I know just “eat this stuff up”!!
    Just a note: Tom wrote the article :)
    The bible will answer this question, “Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.” (Matthew 7:14)
    There is only a very small amount of born again believers walking that narrow path, the rest choose the world and Satan – they think by calling themselves Christian it will make them a Christian in God’s eyes, but He says, “So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.” (Revelation 3:16)

  107. Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    RJ
    >> why is it only a very small number of Christians are aware of these things? All other Christians I know just “eat this stuff up”!!
    Just a note: Tom wrote the article :)
    The bible will answer this question, “Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.” (Matthew 7:14)
    There is only a very small amount of born again believers walking that narrow path, the rest choose the world and Satan – they think by calling themselves Christian it will make them a Christian in God’s eyes, but He says, “So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.” (Revelation 3:16)

    Deborah:
    I so appreciate your question because it shows such an important observation. That is, that so few professing Christians ‘know these things’…that illustrate a refutation to popular doctrine, and that “so many ‘eat this stuff up’!

    So true.
    Jesus said, ‘take heed that no man deceive you’. ‘Be ware of the leaven’, false doctrine and hypocrisy. ‘Be ware of men’.
    But the majority of Church People do not heed the warnings and instructions of scripture, hence your observation is the result.

    Love the Lord.
    Hear Him.
    Do what He says.
    Walk in unity with the Lord.
    There be few that will.
    God bless you.
    Trevor Davis
    http://www.SoundingTheAlarm.com

  108. KeithM says:

    THANK YOU for exposing J. Cahn. , i’ve watched some of his videos and my Spirit man could not “connect” to what i was hearing and seeing. You know when you get that feeling of uneasiness as prompted by The Holy Spirit, well… that is what i got from the moment I started watching his stuff, and now the uneasiness is even stronger. As for him being a freemason… i think you are spot on !! Amazing what lengths they (and Satan ) will go to in order to deceive Christians. He is obviously part of a well organised psychological operation aimed at deceiving Believers. If the world was coming to an end in April or in 2016, why is he still selling and promoting his book(s), something smells really fishy here!! Thank You once again.

  109. Laura says:

    {For those who like a touch of allegory, here is something I ran into on the net. Enjoy.}

    SECOND COMING ITEMS FOR SALE !

    by Dave MacPherson

    In a recent dream of mine I saw things that even John Bunyan didn’t dream about in his “Pilgrim’s Progress.”

    I was walking down a remote dirt road and came by an old store with a sign that said “Second Coming Store – Established in 1830.”

    I opened the door and spotted the elderly owner standing next to shelves covered with many bottles filled with liquids.

    “What are you selling?” I asked.

    “Second Coming perfume,” he said.

    He quickly explained: “Our first and most popular perfume is called ‘Rapture.’ It doesn’t have much substance but smells better than our other perfumes.”

    “How was ‘Rapture’ invented?,” I asked.

    He responded: “Well, the ‘gather’ in Matt. 24:31 was ‘borrowed’ in 1830 and when it was quietly transferred to a pretrib setting it became much more fragrant and ‘Rapture’ became its new name.”

    I also noticed the other bottled perfumes.

    Evidently reading my mind, he explained that after “Rapture” came out in 1830, other perfumers realized they’d have to stretch forward other ingredients found in other parts of the Olivet Discourse in order to make “Rapture” even more acceptable.

    His other “Rapture”-supporting perfumes were in bottles labeled “Unknown Day & Hour,” “One Taken & the Other Left,” “Thief in the Night,” and “His Elect” (Olivet Discourse “elect” was originally “Church” but later changed to “Israel”).

    I wondered why the store owner didn’t have some other Olivet Discourse perfumes like “Sun & Moon Darkening,” “Falling Heavenly Stars,” “Sudden Destruction,” and “Jerusalem Touchdown” which could also be placed in a pretrib setting.

    He said: “I could never sell the four perfumes you just mentioned!”

    I asked: “Why not? They’re in the same Discourse.”

    He blushed and said: “Folks would smell a rat!”

    Well, I finally woke up from my dream. If you think my dream was just a dream, then you are dreaming!

  110. Laura, you seem to agree with Dave McPherson. Allow me to add another perfume to your vanity box. It is called the “stay-behind-perfume.” You are welcome to use it and to stay behind with McPherson when all the believers are taken up to Jesus in the Rapture. You may also want to use the seven trumpets en seven vials perfume of which the fragrance (stench) is much stronger than the stay behind perfume.

    And by the way, the little story that the Rapture was invented in 1830 has been refuted many times. You are flogging a dead horse dead. Rather read and believe the Word of God.

  111. savannah says:

    Jonathan Cahn is like a modern day Joseph Smith…he wrote a book, saying GOD told him, isn’t that like another young man that saw an angel and wrote a book. Jonathan wrote of impending doom, and to follow his recommendations to be spared from what is coming. Joseph S wrote a book that described a whole different church, a different message of happiness, and a way to everlasting life with forever families. Following rituals, works, and being sealed in temple rites-NONE of which are Biblical but pagan based. Joseph S had quite a following, and still has a worldwide ministry even though he has been proven to be a liar, a false teaching, a con man, there are many who still think he is a valuable source of truth. Still, after everything that has been revealed- people practice his religion, try to say it is “christian”. Sorry folks, scripture says follow GOD, not a prophet. It says test the prophesies to see if they are true. His didn’t measure up, no proof archaeologically. The doctrines keep changing with the laws of the land or the culture. It mimics aspects of christianity but in the end the mormon doctrine is NOT at all representational of scripture. But sadly most LDS think they are christians even though their doctrine is NOT in agreement with anything that Christianity practices. I fought this with a branch of my own family, they were GREAT people, lived clean lives but they were NOT following scripture, they followed a prophet’s false book, false teachings on doctrines, false sealings, false doctrines. You couldn’t REACH them because they were so deceived and twisted. I live in LDS country now and I pray and weep over how indoctrinated to falsehood they are. Jonathan’s prophesy didn’t materialize and yet he STILL has a huge following thinking he is representing Biblical truth. Nada. People will believe what they want or need to, and how tragic.

  112. ilo says:

    Anyone who actively support Conman Cahn is immediately kicked out of the church. And so it should be if they fail to abide by Biblical teaching.

  113. MissDebra says:

    “Anyone who actively support Conman Cahn is immediately kicked out of the church.” What does this mean?

    I want to thank you you for your informative blog Tom and Deborah. I always wondered why Johathan Cahn called himself Rabbi. That seems to be such a direct form of disrespecting what Jesus said. However, the Harbinger thing seemed plausible, you know, that tree still standing, Washington and that little church, etc. Jonathan is welcomed in political circles where he is actually insulting the listeners, like at Obama’s prayer breakfast. That always seemed odd to me. And his affiliation with TBN which I have long ago stopped watching. I believe you have given some valuable information to make me think twice about him. I actually found your blog googling “Is Jonathan Cahn John the Baptist”, the John the Baptist that is supposed to come before Jesus returns.

  114. Dear MissDebra

    Two things:

    You said: However, the Harbinger thing seemed plausible, you know, that tree still standing, Washington and that little church, etc.

    The Harbinger seems plausible because Satan is the one who is planning this all. He is using the bible to make his own satanic prophecies that are coming to pass.

    You said: I actually found your blog googling “Is Jonathan Cahn John the Baptist”, the John the Baptist that is supposed to come before Jesus returns.

    It’s the two witnesses (Moses and Elijah) that comes DURING THE GREAT TRIBULATION before Jesus Christ returns to set up millennial kingdom. You as a born again Christian should be taken up in the rapture before the Trib starts. You will not be here to witness this.

    Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

  115. MissDebra says:

    I think it is Enoch and Elijah. Moses has already died but Enoch was taken to heaven alive. I don’t know why so many people want to believe it is Moses. Let the poor man rest, didn’t he have enough trouble for forty years in the desert? lol Why resurrect him when there is Enoch ready to go and he has never died. It is appointed unto men once to die and after that the judgement. Yes we won’t die when raptured, but prior to Jesus death and resurrection, that was the plan for all men. Hello! Does anyone not realize that Enoch has never died? Plus, he has never gone through the hassles Moses had to go through, so he is ready to do some serious damage to the forces of darkness in the tribulation!

    As far as John the Baptist returning before Jesus does, thank you for correcting me, I did make a mistake. It is Elijah who yes, I believe will be one of the great two witnesses.

    Another reason I think Enoch will be the other witness is that it is generally believed that Enoch was black. The two most persecuted peoples in the world have been the blacks and the Jews. I believe the blacks represent the righteous during the time of the tower of Bable, and they were not changed into other nationalities. However, not long after, they too fell into disobedience to God, and became hypocritical, just like the Jews have done, and have reaped much persecution as a people because of this. So Enoch represents the original people God created and of course Elijah represents the Jews. Enoch and Elijah are the best candidates to rain judgement down on the evil that has persecuted mankind. This is what I think.

  116. MissDebra

    It might very well be Moses as Moses and Elijah appeared with Jesus at his Transfiguration. Matthew 17:1-9. I personally don’t believe it will be Enoch because the Jews are waiting for Elijah that would re-appear before the Messiah came and they also mentioned Jeremiah (Mat 16:14) why Jeremiah? Many suppose that this reference to Jeremiah is in fact reference to a prediction of Moses (Deuteronomy 18:15.)

  117. MissDebra, here’s a question for you. When John the Baptist was asked whether he was Elias (Elijah), he said “I am not” (John 1:21). Yet this passage seems to say something different.

    And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist. (Mat 17:10-13)

    Now the question: Who was lying – John the Baptist or Jesus?

  118. MissDebra says:

    Lying is a strong term. I don’t believe either one was lying. John probably was not told “Thou art Elijah returned,” but Jesus knew in the spirit that John had the calling, of Elijah.

  119. MisDebra,

    John knew his calling. In fact, his parents must have told him that he was empowered by the Holy Ghost even from his mother’s womb (Luke 1:15). I can’t see why lying is such a strong term. Are you trying to be politically correct by not answering the question? Both Jesus and John the Baptist were correct. Jesus never meant that John was Elijah returned or resurrected from the dead with a new name called John the Baptist. What Jesus meant was that John came in the spirit and power of Elijah to return the hearts of the fathers to the sons and vice versa. And neither will Elijah or Moses or Enoch return in person during the tribulation. It simply means that another person, like John the Baptist, is going to return in the spirit and power of the prophet Elijah (Elias).

  120. MissDebra

    You said: John probably was not told “Thou art Elijah returned,”

    John the Baptist knew he was Elijah returned “in spirit and in power” not in person, see Luke 1:17 :)
    And Jesus knew he was Elijah in spirit and power, not in person :)

    Thanks Tom for that excellent comment.

  121. MissDebra

    A quick question, seeing as though you were speaking about Enoch, what is your belief about the Nephilim?

  122. MissDebra

    You said: “Another reason I think Enoch will be the other witness is that it is generally believed that Enoch was black. The two most persecuted peoples in the world have been the blacks and the Jews. I believe the blacks represent the righteous during the time of the tower of Bable, and they were not changed into other nationalities. However, not long after, they too fell into disobedience to God, and became hypocritical, just like the Jews have done, and have reaped much persecution as a people because of this. So Enoch represents the original people God created and of course Elijah represents the Jews. Enoch and Elijah are the best candidates to rain judgement down on the evil that has persecuted mankind. This is what I think.”

    Three questions:
    1 Mind telling us from biblical scripture where you got this idea from?
    2 Or did you get this info from the Book of Enoch?
    3 Do you believe that black people are God’s chosen people as well along with the Jews?

  123. MissDebra says:

    Just wondering, do you Tom or you Deborah believe that you can learn from anyone else in the body of Christ, or do you think you have all the answers? I find your responses to be somewhat confrontational and argumentative. Actually, I am not disagreeing on some of what you say, but we should all be open to other’s opinions as to who the two witnesses will be. Walking in love and not strife should be our goal, not trying to be right, especially on issues that are left up to our imaginations, such as who are the two prophets.

    Also, I have never been known to try to be politically correct. Not sure what that means anyway, because the politics keep changing. I try to go by the Bible, but everything is not spelled out there, so I do the best I can to hear from the Holy Ghost and obey Him. That should be our goal, correct? That’s my form of correctness, listening to the Holy Ghost and doing my best to obey Him.

    Love is gentle. When we help educate someone else, or share our views with a fellow Christian, a mark of maturity is the ability to be gentle and kind in our delivery, not caustic and debating.

  124. Oh dear. Miss Debra I didn’t realise asking you questions was such a terrible thing. No where have we been nasty to you or been hateful or insulted you. But you insult us. That’s nice. Don’t worry we forgive you :)

    Please by all means leave this website before you have to think any further than your nose. And you know what, don’t answer those questions, I already know your answer that is why I asked them.

    But before you go, please read this:

    You think the book of Enoch is biblical yet it goes against every grain that the bible stands for. Read this comment where it says in the book of Enoch that an angel called Phanuel is your mediator between man and God. Is this biblical? Answer this question and give your answer to Jesus Christ the Son of God, now us. ok?

    Am I being nasty by asking this question? No, far from it. Telling someone the truth is Love, if I left you alone, that would be hateful.

    In chapter 40 and verses 9 we read of the Book of Enoch…

    “and the fourth, who is set over the repentance unto hope of those who inherit eternal life, is named Phanuel.’

    The book of Enoch was not included in the bible for a reason MissDebra, because it’s not written by Enoch, it’s satanic.

  125. HI MisDebra,

    There are only two options to take when dealing with spiritual matters – the one is truth and the other lies. And as you know, Satan is the father of lies (John 8:44). So why do I need to take your or anyone else’s opinions as Gospel truth when it is not? Have you never read this before?

    A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies. (Pro 14:5)

    Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful. (Pro 27:6)

    So stop feeling sorry for yourself and receive rebuke with open arms when it is said in the spirit of Proverbs 27:6.

  126. MissDebra wrote:

    Love is gentle. When we help educate someone else, or share our views with a fellow Christian, a mark of maturity is the ability to be gentle and kind in our delivery, not caustic and debating.

    No, my dear, this is the mark of maturity.

    1 Corinthians 2:15 Amplified Bible, Classic Edition (AMPC)

    15 But the spiritual man tries all things [he [a]examines, investigates, inquires into, questions, and discerns all things], yet is himself to be put on trial and judged by no one [he can read the meaning of everything, but no one can properly discern or appraise or get an insight into him].

    Would you say Paul’s indictment is full of love, gentle and kind?

    But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. (Gal 1:8-9)

  127. MissDebra says:

    Who will be the two witnesses during the tribulation is not doctrine. It is conjecture. Let’s not confuse answering heresy with mere conjecture. No matter how you approach it, we are to speak to the brethren, and I am not talking about heretics, with love. Even heretics should be approached with love and if they don’t change after being corrected, then stronger methods must be employed. However, we should not start out hitting our brethren over the head with overly strong delivery. That is what I am saying. Yes, Jesus called the hypocrites White Washed Tombs, but they were hypocrites. He did not treat everyone this way. Tom you and Deborah do not know everything, so a spirit of humility while you “minister” and not “brow beat” the body of Christ would be wise. When it is all said and done, you will have to answer to God in the end for your attitudes, not just your correct or incorrect words. We know how Jesus deals with those who beat the brethren, so fear of the Lord and gentleness in your communications is to your best advantage.

  128. MissDebra wrote:

    However, we should not start out hitting our brethren over the head with overly strong delivery. That is what I am saying. Yes, Jesus called the hypocrites White Washed Tombs, but they were hypocrites. He did not treat everyone this way.

    Well, Jesus said to one of his closest disciples “Get thee behind me Satan.” What does that tell you? It shows that whenever those whom He did not always treat as hypocrites were also prone to be called hypocrites and devils whenever they did not walk according to the Gospel.

    You wrote:

    Tom you and Deborah do not know everything, so a spirit of humility while you “minister” and not “brow beat” the body of Christ would be wise. When it is all said and done, you will have to answer to God in the end for your attitudes, not just your correct or incorrect words. We know how Jesus deals with those who beat the brethren, so fear of the Lord and gentleness in your communications is to your best advantage.

    You are doing precisely what you are accusing Deborah and myself of – beating us instead of correcting us. Correcting means to show us from Scripture – like Jesus did with his disciple Peter – that we are on the wrong track and need to be corrected in love. What do you do? Instead of correcting us, you judge us by saying “Jesus is going to deal harshly with you. He is going to send you to hell.” Why do I say this? Let ‘s look at that passage which you used to tell us that we are beating the brethren over the head.

    But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; And shall begin to smite his fellow-servants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Mat 24:48-51)

    Matthew 24:48-51 Amplified Bible (AMP)

    48 But if that servant is evil and says in his heart, ‘My master is taking his time [he will not return for a long while],’ 49 and begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards; 50 the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour of which he is not aware, 51 and will cut him in two and put him with the hypocrites; in that place there will be weeping [over sorrow and pain] and grinding of teeth [over distress and anger].

    You are accusing us of:

    1) unbelief in the return of our Lord Jesus Christ.
    2) Drunkenness

    and saying that Jesus is going to:

    1) cut us asunder.
    2) appoint us with the hypocrites and worst of all,
    3) send us to hell.

    Now, my dear, if that is not judging us and sending us to hell, I don’t know what is. You need to repent, Debra, before it’s too late for you.

    Believe me. Contending for the faith is not equal to beating the brethren over the head. It is to bring them to their senses so that they may be saved from error.

    James 5:20 Amplified Bible (AMP)

    20 let the [latter] one know that the one who has turned a sinner from the error of his way will save that one’s soul from death and cover a multitude of sins [that is, obtain the pardon of the many sins committed by the one who has been restored].

  129. MLE says:

    Today is July 31,2016 and I have just found this site. I can’t emphasize my deep gratitude enough for moderators who seem to breathe Acts 17:11, and the expositions that have removed my loyalty to more than one teacher.

  130. Jodi says:

    Please stop coming against God’s chosen people. Johnathan Cahn share’s the Word of God in his messages, and your reading way too much into what he says. He is a good man out there preaching, teaching and educating people on Jewish tradition, and how events unfold by the Jewish calendar and not the Gentile calendar. He is highly respected and inspirational to many people, myself included. God is using Johnathan in a mighty way, to His glory. And personally speaking, maybe you need to focus on sharing Christ with others and the messages He gives you, and quit tearing down a brother in Christ.

  131. Jodi

    How sure are you that Jonathan Cahn is preaching to you the Jesus of the Bible and not another Jesus?

    Read here.

  132. Hugh Beaumont says:

    Basically, all of his arguments will lead in one direction – toward support of the Jews. We should leave Jews alone, whatever they do in society, and support Israel as “the apple of God’s eye”. This is baloney. Judaism has been dead for almost 2,000 years. Without a temple, without a priesthood, there are no sacrifices, and thus no covenant. What is today called Judaism (basically Rabbis arguing with Rabbis) is younger than Christianity. Israel is the Church, and there are found the children of Moses. There’s only one question: Is he a huckster, or does he actually believe the bull he’s chucking?

  133. Hugh Beaumont

    Anti-semites cannot claim to believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob because they are anti the Jewish God. Jesus himself was a Jew.

    http://www.thebereancall.org/content/november-2013-classic-2

  134. HH says:

    People get very worked up over this topic. This guy should be taken with a grain of salt. If his teaching strengthens your faith in Jesus, great. Don’t take his prophecies or future suggestions as doctrine or truth. Ponder them and move on with Jesus. Don’t let mysteries become an idol in your heart or mind. The greatest prophecy, the deepest mystery is , “Follow Me! [and My teachings]” You can do that every day without squabbling over this stuff. None of it can bring you closer to Jesus as reading your Bible, praying, worshiping and fasting.

    But this guy does have some red flags…He often talks about interactions with spirits, “teachers”, visions and that I know of he has never asked them to “confess that Jesus Christ came in the flesh”. I don’t know who these entities are that he gets his info from…

    Suggestion….if you want to find out the mysteries of God and seek harbingers because it is intriguing to you….go to Jesus and ask Him…He is faithful to give what you seek if you seek and believe. And that you can count on with your soul…Cahn? He is just a man.

  135. HH says:

    Ceil wrote:

    So, if this is saying he is a follower of satan, then why does he tell people to turn FROM their sin and turn TO God?

    Muslims think they are turning to God? If you turn toward the wrong God with info that God did not give to Cahn, then God is not the one you are turning to when Cahn asks you to turn to god because God did not send Cahn. Just a thought. I’m not deciding either way, just giving a plausible answer to your quandary. :)

  136. Jewish Watchman says:

    Fantastic to finally locate people who have been aware of Jonathan Con…the false profit. God bless you all for having the Spiritual ability to discern…..such a joy. Praise the Lord.

  137. Mike Glass says:

    I too think Jonathan Cahn should be disregarded. This is my reason: I once heard that he took the subway in NYC. After that he just happened to eat lunch at, guess where?? SUBWAY SANDIWICH SHOP. Is this a coincidence?? I dont think so. The mystery gets deeper. He ordered his sandwich on multi-grain wheat bread. The Bible says not to eat leavened break because leaven is like the teaching of the Pharisees, false teachers. Thus he consumes false teaching! But it gets worse. Subway’s longtime spokesman was Jared Fogle, sounds like a Jew. Little did we know that all the while he was selling Subway sandwiches, he was doing inappropriate things with underage girls. A child molester and a sex offender. Thus Jonathan Cahn by eating at Subway is perpetuating sex offenses against minors!!!

    OK I am frightened to think that many reading this BS actually believes it and agrees with me. I say all this to make a point, which is that the Pharisee who runs this site and in the first few lines of this page states that “no one should be called rabbi but Jesus” and condemns Cahn because one of the guys at the publishing house that published his book attends a particular denomination therefore everything Cahn teaches should be discounted as false teaching. How ridiculous. Do you actually mean that no rabbi in the world should be called a rabbi? Get rid of that religious spirit and start seeing clearly friend. It’s your kind that rejected and killed the Messiah while people without religious training recognized Him clearly.

    This site is called “discerningtheworld????” LOL! Get a clue man.

  138. Mike Glass,

    Should I be surprised that you love to follow a Kabbalah mystic?

  139. HH Your statement “People get very worked up over this topic. This guy should be taken with a grain of salt. If his teaching strengthens your faith in Jesus, great. Don’t take his prophecies or future suggestions as doctrine or truth. Ponder them and move on with Jesus,” sounds a lot like Jesus’s warning in Matthew 24:4, “Take heed that no man deceive you.” Just kidding. Jesus was dead serious when He said this. Deception was not just a little grain of salt to Him, as you said. Deception is demonic and its aim is to lead you away from Jesus and not toward Him as you suggested.

  140. Donna says:

    Nothing worse than Christian bigotry. The first sign of NOT being a Christian is to set yourself up with the authority to decide who is, or isn’t, a Christian. Why not let each individual decide this about themselves, even the Mormons, Catholics, Seventh Day Adventists, or Jehovah Witnesses? Why would anyone need to disrespect any of these people’s witness regarding their own personal beliefs? This is the height of hypocrisy while respect is Christ-like.
    A Jew who has accepted Jesus Christ as his Savior is a reason to celebrate. Let him bring his wisdom along with him and let us each individually discern through the gift of the Holy Ghost what he or she believes. I believe James when he says that God will give answers liberally to any who ask and that He doesn’t discriminate between us.
    I’m sorry that so many need a third party to confirm or refute another man’s testimony. Listen. Hear. Pray. Ask. I know personally that He answers sincere prayers. There is joy in knowing how to find the answers. There is peace in knowing that He will not allow us to be lead astray if we ask for personal guidance.

  141. Donna, Your statement “There is peace in knowing that He will not allow us to be lead astray if we ask for personal guidance” is not biblical. Jesus never said, “Ask for guidance so that you may not be led astray.” He said “Take heed that no man deceive you” (Matthew 24:4). That sounds a lot like the onus is on you to make sure you are not deceived. He is not going to do it for you, is He? He want you to be an adult spiritual person who discerns all things correctly. That’s why He said:

    1 Corinthians 2:15 Amplified Bible, Classic Edition (AMPC)

    15 But the spiritual man tries all things [he [a]examines, investigates, inquires into, questions, and discerns all things], yet is himself to be put on trial and judged by no one [he can read the meaning of everything, but no one can properly discern or appraise or get an insight into him].

    He doesn’t want you to be an infantile Christian who cannot discern whether someone is a Christian or not.

    That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; (Eph 4:14)

    I you cannot discern whether someone is a true Christian or not, you are in for a lot of problems. Why?

    For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. (2 Co 11:13-15).

    You wrote “Nothing worse than Christian bigotry. The first sign of NOT being a Christian is to set yourself up with the authority to decide who is, or isn’t, a Christian. Why not let each individual decide this about themselves, even the Mormons, Catholics, Seventh Day Adventists, or Jehovah Witnesses?”

    OK, please tell us:
    1) Are Buddhists Christians?
    2) Is Islam Christian?
    3) Is Satanism Christian?

    If your answer is “NO” in each instance, you have just proved that you are a bigot and not a Christian.

    If, as you say, everyone should decide for himself whether he or she is Christian or not flies in the face of Jesus and his brother, Jude’s admonishment in the book of Jude.

    Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.(Jud 1:3)

  142. billy humphreys says:

    david Hornstein wrote:

    I think you did a poor job of verifying a lot of your accusations.
    For Example, what evidence do you have that Cahn is a freemason. Zero,
    Nada, no e yet by our try to destroy his character by repeating that and twisting a lot of what he has shared to fit your accusations.
    I don’t think I have ever heard him say the America is a “replacement” or substitute for the nation of Israel, on The contrary, we are more of a reflection of the nation of Israel. Which doesn’t diminish Israel’s role in these last days which we arenin, you seem to doubt that with some of your conjectures.
    A bad expose for many reasons. You have an ax to grind with Cahn, and I’m not sure why. Judgement is coming against out sin and depravity,
    Whether we like it or not……
    Time will bear out the truth of what he has been saying and my spirit does not feel the need to condemn him for anything I have heard him say or do at this point.

  143. billy humphries

    The photos on this site speak volumes, unless you are as blind as a bat.

  144. Mind your own says:

    @ Deborah. You seem like a nasty piece of work to me. So rude and scathing. I wouldn’t listen to anything you have to say, because you haven’t said one thing in love.

  145. Mind you own,

    I must say your scathing nasty piece of work to rebuke Deborah in this way is a superb example of how to say things ablaze with love. Please remove the huge beam out of your own eye first and then come back to make some real mature comments.

  146. Mind Your Own says:

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  147. Kat says:

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  148. Dear Mind your own / Kat

    I love it when people like yourself come and insult me but never point to anything specific doctrinal wise that is incorrect. People behave like this when they can’t prove using the bible that what I’ve said is wrong. Their last and only hope is to call me names and say I’m unloving. Shame.

  149. Vee says:

    [Deleted by DTW – your Hebrewroots false teaching is not welcome]

  150. toni pugh says:

    I concur with billy humphreys remarks. The facts of this article are pretty weak and down right unsubstantial. I’m no Cahn fan by any stretch of the imagination, but one who have hard core proof, facts, evidence to prove one’s point or claim against another, and this article failed miserably. Alas, gone are days of sound, polished journalism.

  151. toni pugh

    It’s got nothing to do with journalism. It’s about this,

    Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. (1 John 4:1)

    You are not testing the spirits because you think you know so much about journalism. The latter cannot keep you out of heaven; false doctrine can.

  152. toni pugh

    Just shows you what the blind and deceived actually see. Nothing.

  153. James says:

    If we would spend more time in the Word for ourselves and prayer and seek the Holy Spirit for counsel and understanding we wouldn’t have time to sit there and write articles like this. We should be busy occupying, spreading the gospel, being witnesses to those who are lost.

    I have listened to many like Jonathan Cahn, and there are many others coming. You need to be in the Word and prayer to discern the spirits. It’s not our job to spend all this time on these issues. If we spend time doing what Jesus told us to do we wouldn’t have time to write these types of articles.

    I think God can handle the exposing of false prophets that are out there. Be careful what you do and what you say.

  154. Dear James

    Well by golly then, what are you doing spending time reading our article for, you’ve got so much time on your hands, criticizing us, writing silly comments to us when you should be out there “busy occupying, spreading the gospel, being witnesses to those who are lost.”

    I wonder, if your were around in the time when Jesus walked the earth, you would be the one telling Jesus Christ where to get off for WARNING his disciples about the Pharisees (like Rabbi Cahn) that they preached falsely.

      Luke 20:45-47
      45 Then in the audience of all the people he said unto his disciples, 46 Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts; 47 Which devour widows’ houses, and for a shew make long prayers: the same shall receive greater damnation.

    Most of the New Testament (if you had read it) is spent on WARNING about false teachers and their teaching. When the Apostles WARNED us, were they wrong? According to you, ‘Yes’! They wasted their time when they should have been out there ‘busy occupying, spreading the gospel, being witnesses to those who are lost.’

    You said “I have listened to many like Jonathan Cahn, and there are many others coming.

    We know there are many more coming, the bible prophesied so: Matthew 24:11 “And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.”

    Run along now go ‘occupy, spread and be a witness’ to your false gospel you preach.

    By the way: ‘occupy’ is Kingdom Now teaching – the building of the ‘Kingdom of God’ on earth before Christ returns (which is none other than Satan’s Kingdom) – just thought I needed to point that you to you. :nod:

    You said “Be careful what you do and what you say.”

    Ditto

  155. Doug R says:

    I don’t see the big deal with Jonathan saying that the rabbis are saying things from God. The gospels say the high priest prophesied concerning Jesus.

  156. Dear Doug R

    So this verse is no big deal?

    Matthew 23:8 KJV “8But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.”
    Matthew 23:8 ESV “But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers.”

    What else in the bible is no big deal?

    You said “The gospels say the high priest prophesied concerning Jesus.”

    Indeed Doug, that was the Old Testament, we are under a New Covenant, Jesus Christ is our High Priest, we don’t follow Rabbi’s who are under the Law…like Jonathan Cahn.

    I see from your website you have some very strange teachings.

  157. Lena says:

    Quick what to do? The Ancient Hebrew letters are full of Mason symbols! God wrote using Mason symbols!

    Really? God wrote in these symbols long before the Masons. All you need to do is learn the pictographs behind these Early Semitic letters. Go look at Jeff Benner and Frank Seekins work.

    Better yet look at a lexicon. An old one. Go to the first page and you’ll find out the first letter of the Hebraic alphabet is alef and means ox. The pictograph equivalent is literally an ox.

    Why did the Israelites worhsip Baal? Because the word EL (god or God) is made of the letter alef (ancient picture of ox) and lammed (ancient picture of staff).

    You really need to be careful. Our alphabet is derived from these Phoenician pictographs. The letter A is an ox looking up. Yeshua (Jesus’ name) also has the letter shin in it.

    These symbols have dual functions. It has God’s fingerprints on them but satan wants to twist and pervert the knowledge of God to his own meanings.

    Learn Hebrew. You’ll find a lot of interesting yet controversial things as you learn. I know I have.

  158. Dear Lena

    Not sure I understand who your comment is aimed at. :smile:

    When an Israelite or anyone for that matter writes in Hebrew it’s his language used to communicate with, but when a Freemason or other cultists use Hebrew letters as symbols it becomes satanic. Just because Jonathan Cahn is supposed to be a Christian and an Israelite now doesn’t make what he does and says ok and it doesn’t make the use of Hebrew letters to convey satanic messages ok either.

  159. Lena says:

    Hi Deborah,

    I think you misunderstand. The Hebrew, Greek and Roman alphabet come from Phoenician/Early Semitic/Early Canaanite symbols or pictures. The English (Roman) alphabet is derived from those forgotten symbols. All you need to go is to study the origin or these scripts. The 10 commandments were written in an Early Semitic script by God and that script is like the hieroglyphs of the Egyptians.

    As for the Hebrew letters not being able to convey satanic messages depends on the point of view. If you don’t believe me, I suggest you look for the Hebrew word witness (ad) or knowledge (da) and look at the Hebrew word picture for those words. You can find it Jeff Benner’s Lexicon. Looking in to this might shake your world – if you understand why I’m saying this. I know I got nauseous after finding this out because it’s so clear how satan uses the things of God for his own purposes.

    The Bible quotes satan’s words like when Jesus was tempted. In return, satan can quote the Bible and twist its meaning. There was an news interview that I saw a journalist who interviews a satanist and the satanist claims he quoted Psalms in the Bible as curses. My pastor cast out a demon before that quoted the Bible. Satan knows the Bible extremely well and his purpose is to twist it.

    Can Israelites really not be Christians? Lord Jesus was called the King of the Jews. We are adopted into the vine and become part of His kingdom. Doesn’t that make us part of His Jewish Kingdom? Judah simply means praise. Do we not praise God’s name? Personally, I want to know God better so I started studying Hebrew and Greek. I don’t really call myself a Messianic Jew but the literal meaning of those words is “anointed praise.” Are we not anointed to praise the name of Lord Jesus?

    Lord Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. He does not change. Lord Jesus is the Truth. He is the Word and His words do not change. Lord Jesus and the Father are one. There is a truth in the law and the prophets that does not change. It’s a spiritual truth. I get the feeling most Christians have a problem with Christians upholding His law. Its true we are under grace but through the Spirit of God we are to be transformed in the image of Lord Jesus day by day and keep the law. It’s our willing submission to God’s Spirit in us – the more control you give the Spirit of God, the more you cannot help but obey the law because the Spirit inside you cannot help it.

  160. Lena says:

    Sorry I said “You can find it Jeff Benner’s Lexicon” but it won’t be clear. If you are going to look it, you need to find the derived written form of the letter dalet. The ayin is clear but look up the Early Semitic script for the letter dalet.

  161. Dear Lena

    You said “I think you misunderstand.”

    I understand completely, you misquote what I said.

    I am trying to figure out of you are pro Jonathan Cahn. Which it seems you are, am I correct?

    You said “I think you misunderstand. The Hebrew, Greek and Roman alphabet come from Phoenician/Early Semitic/Early Canaanite symbols or pictures.”

    I agree and understand totally. But if you notice, you typed that sentence: “I think you misunderstand. The Hebrew, Greek and Roman alphabet come from Phoenician/Early Semitic/Early Canaanite symbols or pictures.” in an English Alphabet that is derived from Ancient Phonetician symbols/pictures. Is the sentence you typed satanic? Nope it isn’t, it’s being used as a language to communicate. When you use the letters of any Alphabet to communicate another meaning other than what it was meant for, i.e., using the first letter of the Hebraic alphabet ‘alef’ (ancient picture of a ‘ox’) and ‘lammed’ (ancient picture of a ‘staff’) to denote a cryptic message of worship to Baal then it becomes satanic.

    Where our languages are derived from is not going to cause me as a Christian to stop writing using the English Alphabet, and neither am I communicating a satanic message typing this paragraph. If I however said to you “I believe in ٦٦٦‬”, that would be me sending you a cryptic message in Hebrew, or I could just come out and express my belief of “666” to you in English numerals for it to be satanic, however if I typed the following in English: “The numbers 666 according to scripture is the mark of the beast” that is a sentence and it’s not satanic.

    You said “As for the Hebrew letters not being able to convey satanic messages depends on the point of view. If you don’t believe me”

    I said they do, re-read.

    You said “Can Israelites really not be Christians?”

    I never said that or implied that, re-read.

    A Jew can become a Christian – HALLELUJAH!! Just like EVERYONE in the world can become a Christian. A Jew that is born again is most precious as far as I am concerned. However Jonathan Cahn is not a Christian, he is a Rabbi. Most if not all Rabbi’s are deeply spiritually embedded in the Kabbalah. If he was a Christian he would have denounced all Jewish mysticism/witchcraft and stopped being a Rabbi, instead he teaches using the Zohar; the kabbalah and part of it was written in the Zohar.

    Johnathan Cahn is very dangerous. He is fooling gentile Christians into believing he is a Jewish Christian and even worse he is fooling Jewish Christians into believing that he is Christian because he is a Rabbi. He is dragging Gentile Christians under the Law, and he is dragging Jewish Christians back under the law.

  162. Lena says:

    I’m glad you understand and I can see your point of view why new believers might get swept away in a wrong direction.

    I got swept away with simply going to church that created a message out of a few verses in the Bible. “No depth,” I thought at 13. “What’s the point of going to church? I could have read more in the time he spoke his sermon.” I’ve read through the whole Bible when I was 12. The church I went to were inept for someone like me. If I remained going to a church that didn’t teach the whole Bible but some portions, I would have long stopped going to church. Thank God for my pastor, even with his faults, he has taught me so much.

    I’m one who goes into the danger zone. I never liked being told no and it was partially because my dad was a corrupt father figure. I still don’t trust authority. I’m extremely rebellious in thought even though I was one of those good note takers in the church. I could show you faithful notes I took as a child to this day. I knew the Bible more than most but developing a relationship with God took a lot of time.

    Have you evangelized to Muslims, Hindus or Sikhs? Being a daughter of those who came from an eastern background, I know. One way you would evangelize to them are through their own books. The ones who came from that background are the most effective witnesses.

    You can throw aside all Jewish teaching because you think it’s dangerous. I agree. A lot of it is dangerous. But there are those who will learn from the one who knows them.

    Is my pastor better than the pastor that taught me fluff? No. It depends on the person. The pastor that taught fluff had many going to his church and the ones that regularly go may be extremely thankful to him. Many have left my church because of the difficult teaching of my pastor and grown more in the Lord at another church than mine.

    Jewish mysticism/witchcraft is wrong. But quoting from certain books doesn’t mean he’s condoning mysticism/witchcraft. Even if he was, I like to listen to people. You never know what God can tell you while your reading or listening to something controversial.

    My pastor’s read through the major religion’s books, even the satanic bible. Has taught was certain cults believe. I always got the impression I could do the same.

    I’m extremely grateful for that.

    Before, I hated people. I would imagine the most vile and evil people and then I’d think that God loves them and I should do the same. I didn’t want to and couldn’t until I didn’t hate God for reaching out his hand to a murdering rapist and pedophile and telling them that He would forgive them. I now love that part of Him. It is one of the reasons I can freely go out an evangelize – even though perhaps one day I’ll meet someone like that.

    God hasn’t called us to be afraid but go into the danger zone with Him.

    Many new believers might get lost and fall but those who persevere are the ones who will get stronger.

    Be blessed and grow in the Lord. May God strengthen your relationship with Him. If you are in good conscience before God, then it is enough. I simply wanted to share my thoughts.

    Also, I love the law even though it irritated me to no end when I was younger. I simply want to know and understand it from the perspective of God. If I’m convicted to obey the law, I’ll wrestle with God much like everything He’s taught me over the years. I’m one stubborn student. I love that He is patient with me. Praise God for His longsuffering kindness!

  163. Lena says:

    Correction: “Has taught what* certain cults believe.” Lest you think my pastor is a cultist, he isn’t. He’s a zealous reader. Reads Christian autobiographies in his spare time. Read many of the Christian reformers of old. Told us to read books like “Foxes Book of Martyrs” or books from Luther, Spurgeon or Westley over the years. A pastor who also has engineering degree and works at a high end car company. A crazy man who sleeps 4 hours a day because he wants to spend time with God in his early mornings.

  164. Robbie says:

    Oh my word… here it comes. Luther?…Spurgeon? .. John Wesley? :shock:

    How crazy did you say he was Lena?

  165. Robbie says:

    How to mix Wesley and Charly.. :think:

  166. Being a zealous reader of the books of the reformers do not make you a born-again Christian – never has and never will. So too a 4 hour a day sleep makes no difference.

  167. Lena says:

    To Robbie, I threw some names in that I didn’t spell right but yes he quote from a lot of people. I’ve heard their names in sermons and some parts of the biographies. I haven’t read those books. Just listened to his lectures on the reformers. But yeah, read things from Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, history books like the fall of the Roman empire. etc. I don’t really keep track but I remember from the notes I wrote. My church is a Punjabi English church and has translation, I have time to take detailed notes because of the translation. He’s South Indian and I think he’s crazy. Very contentious. I am too. I’ve gotten into heated arguments with him. I don’t agree with everything he’s taught just like he doesn’t teach everything a single church reformer has written.

    To Tom, I agree. It doesn’t but I said so to illustrate a point of his zeal.

  168. Dear Lena :hi:

    What doctrine does your church follow? Do they have a website? Please give me the name of your pastor please. :smile:

    You said “Told us to read books like “Foxes Book of Martyrs” or books from Luther, Spurgeon or Westley over the years”
    and “I said so to illustrate a point of his zeal.”

    That is not good advice. Luther was a rebellious catholic who hated Jews with a passion, Charles Spurgeon was a Calvinist and Calvinism/Reformed Theology/Reformation is an an evil cult doctrine disguised as Christianity and is supposed to represent Christianity in it’s purest form, and Wesley founded Methodism and they believe that everyyyyoneeeee goes to heaven, especially if you are a confirmed Methodist then your chances are 100%.

    If you are reading these books just for the sake of understanding their doctrine and knowing they and their doctrine is evil that’s one thing, but to read these peoples work to find little ‘gems’ of truth amist all the lies, is totally wrong and not zealous at all.

    You say you go to a Punjabi English church, but in one of your earlier comments you said “I don’t really call myself a Messianic Jew”, why would you want to call yourself a Jew when you are in fact Indian and a Christian? I am a South African and a Christian. I am not Jewish, only Jews are Jews, just like Elephants are born Elephants – and you can’t be one even if you wanted too. :nod:

    You said in an earlier comment which I wanted to just make a note on, you said “Jewish mysticism/witchcraft is wrong. But quoting from certain books doesn’t mean he’s condoning mysticism/witchcraft.”

    Jonathan Cahn was quoting or PREACHING from the Zohar giving it the thumbs up, he was condoning it. He was using it as an aid to the Bible and this is wrong. It’s one thing to quote from someone like we do here on DTW to EXPOSE the lies being told, it’s another to preach and teach from false doctrine and lift it up and lay it side by side with what the Bible has to say, or use it to confirm things in the bible.

    You said “Even if he was, I like to listen to people. You never know what God can tell you while your reading or listening to something controversial.”

    If you went there knowing that the people you were listening too were evil, and you went to to learn the doctrine they preach so that you can warn others about it, that’s one thing, but to go there to listen to try find some interesting truth amidst the lies is just plain foolish. And the only thing God would tell you through His Holy Spirit is to ‘get up and leave!’

    Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

  169. Lena says:

    Wow. Someone has spilled a whole lot of leaven on your point of view of history and the reformers. You can’t put God into a box and neither can you put a Christian into the place of God and expect them to get everything right.

    It is your loss if you isolate yourself from anyone who doesn’t have the same perspective as you.

    It really tells me a lot about your relationship with God.

    Do you not listen to God or can you not hear God when you listen to preachers? Does God not give pop ups confirming or disconfirming from the Bible when you are listening to someone? Can you really not go where there is evil and not hear God as clear as day? Does God not tell you why evil is the way it is? Does God not explain to you why evil people think a certain way?

    Can you not listen to evil words and hear God contradicting and telling you what He thinks?

    I might have been born to an Indian family but that doesn’t mean I call myself Indian. A lot of Indian immigrants who try to convince me that I’m Indian get irritated when I tell them I’m Canadian. I was born and raised in Canada. I live in Canada. I’m Canadian. I don’t fully identify with Canadian culture because it’s multicultural nor do I consider myself fully Indian even though it’s the place where my parents have come from. I’ve picked up Japanese and Korean because I have no problem with getting hindered by what is expected of me. I’ll learn Hebrew and Greek if I want to before I properly learn how to read Hindi or Punjabi – which many have encouraged me to do.

    I’m Christian but if I wanted to use the Hebraic version of the word and call myself Messianic, I will. Both words mean to be anointed. If I want to call myself a Jew which basically means to praise because I praise God, I can. I look at the meaning behind the words. I don’t care about your definitions or the world’s definitions but God’s definitions.

    I don’t have a denomination – the etymology of the word basically means to have a name. The modern meaning of the word is attached to the history of where your beliefs have come from. Since I go to Church where most people have converted from other religions, we don’t have a history. We put the Bible first. We test doctrines by the fact that they are consistent with the Bible from Genesis to Revelation.

    I don’t get hooked on what a preacher’s denomination is but the content of what he’s preaching. I have learned to discern and test preachers – mostly because my pastor has an irritating habit of asking questions and then telling us to answer with verses from the Bible. If we answer without having a verse, he’ll ask “where is it written?”

    I haven’t met or listen to a preacher that I agree 100% but that doesn’t mean I won’t listen. I might get a speck of knowledge or other times I’ll get a whole lot of popup from God and the Bible in my mind contradicting what the preacher is saying.

    I’ve talked about myself too much. Hearing me repeat “I” is getting irritating.

    Praise God for being who is! How can people not love Him! Who is like Him? No one. It is better to sit at the feet of God who is a Teacher above all teachers. Blessed are those who are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue will He speak to this people. Blessed are those who hear and understand!

  170. Dear Lena

    It’s not nice to waste someone’s precious time after they have been completely nice to you for you to come back raging like a bull at them and tell them not to point fingers and that we have it all wrong when they themselves point fingers and have have it all wrong.

    You said “If I want to call myself a Jew which basically means to praise because I praise God, I can. I look at the meaning behind the words. I don’t care about your definitions or the world’s definitions but God’s definitions.”

    Lena; Jews are Jews, Gentiles are Gentiles (You and I are Gentiles). Gentiles are spiritual Children of Abraham, we are not Israel or Jews and will never be. Males are Males and Females are Females, many males want to call themselves females but can’t because they are NOT and vice versa. You are being downright silly to think otherwise.

    Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

    Again I repeat: Gentiles are spiritual children of Abraham, in other words, we Christians are children of God through our faith in Jesus Christ (Galatians 3:26), and this makes us spiritual descendants of Abraham and co-heirs of the promised blessings

    I pray you stop following the false doctrines from all the false pastors you like to learn from, like Jonathan Cahn. Saying you can learn truth, any amount of truth from false teachers (Satan’s ministers of righteousness) is saying you can learn truth from Satan. Really? I beg to differ!

    2 Corinthians 11:14-15 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

    If you insist you want to call yourself a Jew when you are not then read this verse and think:

      Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
  171. Lena says:

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  172. Hazel says:

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Animalaura

    NEWSFLASH: Mormons, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, …ARE NOT Christians!! EVERYONE that is born again is aware of that fact.

    :) Deb, I thought that was a funny one! Yes, Amen Deb. Lots are going to hell & it is not funny at all.

  173. Jane says:

    Sorry, but I couldn’t get through all of your article. As soon as I started reading falsehoods, I stopped. You said our first President was a free Mason and prayed to Satan? This is a lie.
    I’ve read all of Johnathan Cahn’s books. I am a biblical scholar and follower of truth. I study scripture 4-5 hours every day! Do you?
    There are too many pick and choose scripture readers, who invent their own religions. You must read the Bible from cover to cover. Then read it again and again and again and again. Take notes as you’re reading it. Memorize as much as you can. Then you can read outside books and discern their good from the bad.
    Johnathan Cahn has led many souls to Christ through these books. How many souls have you led to Christ through your criticisms?
    That being said, no one should ever follow a man! Let me repeat that…NO ONE should ever follow a MAN, but in order to know God, we MUST follow ALL of His teachings. THE BIBLE.
    I noticed in your writing, you made some judgement calls on Glen Beck and his religion. I’m not a Mormon, I am a true Christian that walks with Christ daily. I may have my personal opinions but I would never make a judgement call on these people. Let me rephrase that. Since I’ve been saved, I’ll not make a judgement call on the Mormons. The scriptures tell us that all who have called upon the Lord thy God shall be saved. Scriptures then goes on to tell us in detail what Christ told His disciples to do to be Saved and have life everlasting. Accept Christ as your Lord and Savior, repent of your sins (turn away from them) be baptized for the remission of your sins and to gain the gift of the Holy Ghost.
    I wouldn’t dare make a judgement call on another. That would make me a Pharisee. Pharisees were good people. They thought they had all the t’s crossed. They followed all the Jewish laws but they were lost. Why? They failed to see God, when He stood right before them!
    Johnathan Cahn is just a man. But like our President Trump, who is just a man also, they are both being used by God to send us a message. We ARE living in the end days. Let those with ears hear. Let those who cleave to God and deny their self righteousness learn the truth and know our only one God. The Holy trinity.

    May God bless you and may you please open your eyes to truth and look in the mirror. Perhaps there you will find the piece of clay you need to be working on. I had to do this and it’s hard, especially when you think you know all the answers. It’s harder for them than anyone else.
    Christ didn’t just go to those who were saved but He reached out to those who were unsaved. What better place for God to place his tools (the men who have voiced proclaiming His word) than on shows, who have audiences that might be unsaved.
    Please don’t be a stiff neck. I’m very familiar with stiff necks. Until they look in the mirror and start criticizing themselves , their clay, will never be workable. It’s hard. It’s really hard to do. But if you call upon the Lord, He will help you. He did me. Now I can’t absorb enough of His word. Only wish I had started earlier in life. I will educate myself on as many voices proclaiming my God, as possible. If I see one off track, I pray for them. There is nothing stronger than prayer. That is…if you truly believe…

    God Bless

  174. Dear Jane

    You said “You said our first President was a free Mason and prayed to Satan? This is a lie.”

    Really can you prove I am lying? Or can I prove you are deceived? Let me show you:

    George Washington was born on February 22, 1732, in Westmoreland County, Virginia. Washington served as a general and commander-in-chief of the colonial armies during the American Revolution, and later became the first president of the United States, serving from 1789 to 1797.Feb 7, 2018
    George Washington Biography – Biography
    https://www.biography.com/people/george-washington-9524786

    Brother Washington, the Freemason – Mount Vernon
    http://www.mountvernon.org/george-washington/the-man-the-myth/freemasonry/
    Freemasonry played a role in George Washington’s life from the age of 20 when he first became an Entered Apprentice in the Fredericksburg Lodge until the day he died, when a brother in his Alexandria lodge was one of three doctors at his bedside.

    Washington becomes Master Mason – Aug 04, 1753 – HISTORY.com
    http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/washington-becomes-master-mason
    George Washington, a young Virginia planter, becomes a Master Mason, the highest basic rank in the secret fraternity of Freemasonry. The ceremony was held at the Masonic Lodge No. 4 in Fredericksburg, Virginia. Washington was 21 years old and would soon command his first military operation as a major in the Virginia …

    null

    FREEMASONS ARE SATANISTS. FREEMASONS WORSHIP LUCIFER. Stop reading a Jewish Rabbi by the name of Jonathan Cahn who is a FREEMASON.

    You said “I’ve read all of Johnathan Cahn’s books. I am a biblical scholar and follower of truth. I study scripture 4-5 hours every day! Do you?’

    Whoohooooo 4-5 hours a day??? Tell me, are you born again, do you have the Holy Spirit to lead you into all truth…or are you just someone who studies for 4-5 hours a day “Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.” (2 Timothy 3:7)

    You said “I noticed in your writing, you made some judgement calls on Glen Beck and his religion. I’m not a Mormon, I am a true Christian that walks with Christ daily. I may have my personal opinions but I would never make a judgement call on these people. Let me rephrase that. Since I’ve been saved, I’ll not make a judgement call on the Mormons.”

    That’s incredible…you wont judge anyone else, not a simgle person accoring to you…no mormon, not even the Pope…not a single person, but you judge me. You went out of your way to call me a liar, falsely accusing me in fact. What would you have said to the Apostle Peter when he openly declared Simon Peter Magus a FALSE CHRISTIAN, a liar, a deceiver, a sorcerer… Acts 8:9–24. What would you have said Jane? Humor me.

    Let’s see what the Bible says regarding judging and testing, instead of what ‘Jane’ says shall we?

    1) Do Not Tolerate Wicked People

    To Christians facing hardships, told not to question these wicked people; don’t lose heart. Jesus knows what we are going through – keep standing strong.

    The below scripture:

    1. Clearly tells us we are not to tolerate wicked men
    2. Clearly tells us we are to TEST (1 John 4:1-6)
    3. Clearly tells us we are to CRITICALLY APPRAISE
    4. Jesus warns us about these so called ‘apostles’ who are nothing but liars and impostors.
    5. We are told to MARK those who cause division (Romans 16:17-18)

    Revelation 2:2-3 (Amplified Bible)
    2 I know your industry and activities, laborious toil and trouble, and your patient endurance, and how you cannot tolerate wicked [men] and have tested and critically appraised those who call [themselves] apostles (special messengers of Christ) and yet are not, and have found them to be impostors and liars.
    3 I know you are enduring patiently and are bearing up for My name’s sake, and you have not fainted or become exhausted or grown weary.

    2) The bible says regarding judging RIGHTEOUSLY

    There are many verses in the bible where we are told to JUDGE/TEST:

    1 Thessalonians 5:21 (Amplified Bible)
    21But test and prove all things [until you can recognize] what is good; [to that] hold fast.

    Matthew 7:15-20 (Amplified Bible)
    15Beware of false prophets, who come to you dressed as sheep, but inside they are devouring wolves.
    16You will fully recognize them by their fruits. Do people pick grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles?
    17Even so, every healthy (sound) tree bears good fruit [worthy of admiration], but the sickly (decaying, worthless) tree bears bad (worthless) fruit.
    18A good (healthy) tree cannot bear bad (worthless) fruit, nor can a bad (diseased) tree bear [excellent fruit [worthy of admiration].
    19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and cast into the fire.
    20Therefore, you will fully know them by their fruits.

    1 Corinthians 5:12-13 (Amplified Bible)
    12What [business] of mine is it and what right have I to judge outsiders? Is it not those inside [the church] upon whom you are to pass disciplinary judgment [passing censuring sentence on them as the facts require]?
    13God alone sits in judgment on those who are outside. Drive out that wicked one from among you [expel him from your church].

    1 Corinthians 14:29 (Amplified Bible)
    29 So let two or three prophets speak [those inspired to preach or teach], while the rest pay attention and weigh and discern what is said.

    John 7:24 (Amplified Bible)
    24Be honest in your judgment and do not decide at a glance (superficially and by appearances); but judge fairly and righteously.

    Titus 1:9-16 (Amplified Bible)
    9He must hold fast to the sure and trustworthy Word of God as he was taught it, so that he may be able both to give stimulating instruction and encouragement in sound (wholesome) doctrine and to refute and convict those who contradict and oppose it [showing the wayward their error].
    10For there are many disorderly and unruly men who are idle (vain, empty) and misleading talkers and self-deceivers and deceivers of others. [This is true] especially of those of the circumcision party [who have come over from Judaism].
    11Their mouths must be stopped, for they are mentally distressing and subverting whole families by teaching what they ought not to teach, for the purpose of getting base advantage and disreputable gain.
    12One of their [very] number, a prophet of their own, said, Cretans are always liars, hurtful beasts, idle and lazy gluttons.
    13And this account of them is [really] true. Because it is [true], rebuke them sharply [deal sternly, even severely with them], so that they may be sound in the faith and free from error,
    14[And may show their soundness by] ceasing to give attention to Jewish myths and fables or to rules [laid down] by [mere] men who reject and turn their backs on the Truth.
    15To the pure [in heart and conscience] all things are pure, but to the defiled and corrupt and unbelieving nothing is pure; their very minds and consciences are defiled and polluted.
    16They profess to know God [to recognize, perceive, and be acquainted with Him], but deny and disown and renounce Him by what they do; they are detestable and loathsome, unbelieving and disobedient and disloyal and rebellious, and [they are] unfit and worthless for good work (deed or enterprise) of any kind.

    1 John 4 (Amplified Bible)
    1BELOVED, DO not put faith in every spirit, but prove (test) the spirits to discover whether they proceed from God; for many false prophets have gone forth into the world.

    3) MARK AND AVOID THEM.

    Romans 16:17 King James Version (KJV)
    17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

    4) Please read: Testing the Spirits – True Spiritual Discernment

  175. Dear Jane

    Oh one last VERY important thing, you said “The scriptures tell us that all who have called upon the Lord thy God shall be saved. Scriptures then goes on to tell us in detail what Christ told His disciples to do to be Saved and have life everlasting. Accept Christ as your Lord and Savior, repent of your sins (turn away from them) be baptized for the remission of your sins and to gain the gift of the Holy Ghost.’ [Emphasis added by DTW]

    You get baptized for the remission of your sins? Really now?

    Tell me Jane, the reason why you wont judge a Mormon is because…you are one yourself?

    LDS Church and Remission of Sins

    “Baptism of repentance for the remission of sins” (Moro. 8:11; D&C 19:31; 107:20).” — https://www.lds.org/scriptures/tg/remission-of-sins?lang=eng

    LDS book of Moroni chapter 8:11 “And their little a children need no repentance, neither baptism. Behold, baptism is unto repentance to the fulfilling the commandments unto the remission of sins.”

  176. Darla Wright says:

    :clap: david Hornstein wrote:
    I agree with you.

    Christians need to wake up. They are missing the revival that is going on.

    The Father is bringing restoration.

    Everyone should see Identity Crisis by James Staley and Joseph Dumond’s teaching on the 10 lost Tribes. Where did those 10 tribes go when they were cast out of the land of Israel? What happened to their descendants?

    The United States in Menasheh/Menasseh. Britain and all her former/current territories is Ephraim. France is Reuben. Germany is Gad. South Africa is Asher. And so on…

    The reasons christians don’t know the full truth is that they were kept from knowing the Name of the Creator, the Name of the Messiah (the real name), and from knowing the front of the book and how they are the lost sheep of the House of Israel. Read, study the whole book, from the front to the back. Get a restored name translation. And, let YaHuWaH teach you by His Ruach HaQodesh.

  177. Dear Darla

    I am formulating a comment for you, please don’t think you have not been heard, I heard you. I have a few pertinent questions for you to answer.

  178. Dear Darla

    You said “Christians need to wake up. They are missing the revival that is going on.”

    If a Christian is born again, saved, what revival are you then speaking about? What MORE do I need to KNOW to add to my salvation, that will make me MORE saved than I already am? I know I am a Gentile saved by Grace. I do not need to go back to Law and put myself under a curse.

    Tell me do you study the Kaballah, and why is God’s name a ‘secret’ on your website that you need a password to enter the article? Is it only for the initiated that you then get access to God’s name?

    Bible says: Luke 8:17 (KJV) 17 For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.

    You do now that the Rauch is the Kabbalah version of the ‘Holy Spirit’ that awakens your mind to all sorts of forbidden knowledge?

  179. Larry says:

    If your accusations are true, how do you explain the numbers, the dates, and the events recorded in actual history? You could easily refute Cahn if one of the these were not true. I did not read one fact that Cahn stated in dates or events that was not true. How do you reconcile the fact that in Mysteries, each day is given with scripture backing? I always look at the fruit, and the fruit of your article is not informative, it is pharaseeish, and hateful.

  180. Larry

    You are the one who is being hateful. Replacement Theology (the belief that America has replaced Israel and is now the new Israel, in the sense of God having made a similar covenant with America) brings into play the curse in Genesis 12:3, “And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.” The slightest effort to deviate from God’s covenant with Israel and apply it to any other nation, is not only hatred of Israel but also of God who made the covenant. And by the way, Cahn’s description of how to be saved is totally unbiblical.

  181. Larry

    Dave James, who is the author of The Harbinger: Fact or Fiction? and Biblical Guide to the Shemitah and the Blood Moons, wrote:

    If somebody in the Old Testament – let’s say that 999 times out of 1,000 they got it right, simply because they were good guessers, or they knew human nature, whatever; Solomon said, “There’s nothing new under the sun.” There are things that repeat, and you and I can say to one of our kids, for example, “If you do this, I can promise you that this is going to happen,” that doesn’t make us a prophet. But the point is this: if somebody got it right 999 times out of 1,000, but one time – even one time – they got it wrong, you would end up dead, according to the law of Moses, because there was no room for somebody to miss even one prophecy! And yet, we have guys today, like Jonathan Cahn and those who are actually helping and promoting him, who get things wrong consistently. In fact, you can even find it in writing where people like John Wimber would say, “If somebody today – a prophet today – gets it right 50 percent of the time, he’s a good prophet.” Well, in the Scriptures, that would cost you your life! So this is serious business.

    He continues to say:

    those who have him on their program [Charisma Media], whether it be Sid Roth, or Jim Bakker, they’re promoting this, and they have figured out a formula that I call, and maybe you’ve called it this as well, the “Wow” factor. You can dazzle people with the “Wow” factor, and when you hit on a couple of things where people go “Wow! That has to be beyond coincidence. God must involved,” you’ve caught them. And in fact, in my book, when I responded to The Harbinger in my book, The Harbinger: Fact or Fiction?, I used two illustrations from history. There was a book that came out prior to the sinking of The Titanic, and the parallels in this novel were stunningly close to what actually happened many years later – a number of years later (a couple decades, I think) – with the sinking of The Titanic.

    And then people have also pointed out, too, the parallels between Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy. And if you read these things, you’d think, “Wow! This is amazing!” But they don’t tell you the things where there was no match, and so this “Wow” factor causes people to, honestly…they check their brains at the door. And the other thing that I think is so important in this whole issue is: when I teach my students, it’s not just that I’m teaching you the material. I’m teaching you both how to teach the material – the biblical material – and I’m also teaching you a method of biblical interpretation. So, when Jonathan Cahn and others start drawing these parallels and saying, “This is the way you handle and interpret the Word of God,” they’re teaching a method of interpretation, and so this actually multiplied this false-prophecy and false-teacher factor, because you’re actually engaging a whole generation of people to change the way they’re actually understanding the Word of God.

    Jonathan Cahn, like all the others, Jim Bakker, Sid Roth, and Charisma Media are all false prophets and only in it for the money.

    Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers. For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake. (Tit 1:9-11)

  182. Wayne Rowland says:

    1st Thes 5:20

    I promise you Jonathan Cahn is legit. His primary message is: “You must be born again.” Harbingers, Isaiah 9:10, Paradigm of the kings us absolutely mind blowing. They come with two conclusions: 1. Romans 1:16 and 2. These are the days of Elijah (stand on the truth).
    Take a deep breath, take your time, and re-examine his work. I promise you will absolutely be blessed. God bless you.

  183. Dear Wayne

    You said “I promise you Jonathan Cahn is legit”

    And I must believe you because you say so? The evidence that Johanthan Cahn is overwelmingly false far out weighs the so called truth he speaks. For instance, TB Joshua too tells you that ‘you must be born again’. Benny Hinn too says ‘you must be born again’. The difference between a false prophet who says ‘you must be born again’ vs. a true man of God who says “you must be born again” is that the TRUE MAN OF GOD speaks the truth and nothing but the Godly truth, not a tad of truth mixed with a whole bunch of error. Wake up Wayne, you are been taken for a fool.

    You said “Take a deep breath, take your time, and re-examine his work. I promise you will absolutely be blessed. God bless you.”

    I don’t have to re-examine his work when the ERRORS are so glaringly obvious. How about you PRAY (instead of take a breath) and re-examine his work so that the Holy Spirit can show you the errors; that is a true blessing – to be ripped out of a false teachers grasp.

    Jonathan Cahn is teaching Gentiles the Kabbalah.

  184. Eric Miller says:

    Deborah thank you for fighting the good fight. You are a true blessing. I hope you and Dave are well. -Eric Miller

  185. Hi Eric

    I think you have me mixed up with David and Deborah Dombrowski from Lighthouse Trails. As much as I like LHT, I am not Deborah Dombrowski, I am Deborah Ellish from South Africa, and Tom Lessing the other admin and writer here on Discerning the World is from South Africa too.

    But thank you never the less for your comment :yay:

  186. Eric Miller says:

    Oh yes I sure did :grin: sounded so much like her! Regardless, thank you for your dedication to defending the Gospel. It is getting much more of a challenge to take a stand for truth these days. As you and I both know, we should not be surprised. I will be praying for your ministry and for God to continue to give you wisdom. Thanks again -Eric Miller

  187. Dear Eric :hi:

    No worries, glad you found us :up2: and thank you for praying for us – we certainly need it in this day and age. The attacks against the gospel are getting so severe I ponder what could happen next…oh wait… a new book is out just out hot off the press on the Nephilim :faint:

  188. WHAT? Nephilim? Not again!!! Who’s going to conduct the marriages between demons and earthly women? “I now pronounce you Nephilim and wife.”

  189. It’s true, I tell you…

    I think the pastor who conducts the marriages is Ryan Pitterson the writer of the book, a possible Nephilim himself. I mean goodness who knows who could be a Reptillian nowadays under that human outfit.

    I wonder how they tell who is Nephilim and who isn’t? If you are taller than the average person? If you are stronger than the average person? If you look like George Soros, or the Queen of England. Oh gosh…. how to tell? :unsure: I am sure there will be a blood test out one of these days to determine if you are a Nephilim :laugh:

    Ryan Pitterson says

    “The Lord unleashed a punishment against the Nephilim so severe, only Noah and his family would survive.” http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/product.cfm?product_id=58

    So it wasn’t Noah’s faith in God that saved him, no no…says Pitterson it was because they had uncorrupted DNA.

    Now I have heard it all…

    So no longer is it demon possession, it’s DNA possession. :dazed:

    And look who is promoting this book? Prophecy News Watch – Koinonia House’s (Chuck Missler et al) shadow prophecy news channel run by an ex-employee Kade Hawkins.

  190. Damien says:

    I am the Alpha light. Cahn also says “From the beginning of creation to the incarnation and the resurrection

    Jonathon Chan never says this in that video you are clearly lying. Don’t believe Deborah people. click the videos people you will see for yourself

  191. Dear Damien

    Jonathan Cahn’s summary of his video says

    “Summary:  From the beginning of creation to the incarnation and the resurrection – it all begins with light. And not just light, but the alpha light. It is the alpha light that has the power to change everything. Learn the secret of using the Alpha Light in every circumstance to change everything.”

    No it does not, it begins with the WORD. Light does not have the power to change anything, but Jesus Christ who is the WORD, oh yes, HE HAS THE POWER to change everything.

    There are no secrets in the gospel, nothing hidden, so why must we learn the ‘secret’ of this Alpha light?

    This is what Kabbalists have to say about the Alpha light

    “The book of Genesis opens with the chapter, Beresheet, which tells the story of creation. On the first day, God said, “Let there be light.” Yet the bearers of light—the sun, the moon, and the stars—were not made until the fourth day. Kabbalists believe that the Light created on the first day of creation was not light as we know it; it was consciousness.

    According to the Zohar [DTW Note: Zohar is part of the Kabbalah, which Jonathan Cahn has studied and preaches from], this Light was everywhere. A vessel was needed to hold this Light—to receive it and share it, and so God “hid” the Light within nature and within us. Our purpose in this lifetime is to reveal Light. As Karen Berg explains, “Our spiritual work is to reveal all of the Light that was originally placed in our Vessel and then to become a beacon of Light for others.” In every lifetime it is our job to reveal as much Light as possible, to share it with others, and to help them reveal Light, as well.” [Emphasis added] https://kabbalah.com/en/concepts/let-there-be-light

    This light according to occultists is the supposed “divine light” or “divine spark” we all have inside of us for us to nurture and set ablaze as we realise that we are in fact gods – this is a lie from the pit of hell.

  192. Rose says:

    I came to this site out of curiosity. I enjoy moving through different Christian sites to learn, enjoy, and read different opinions. Of all the different sites I have been on, I have never read more angry, hateful, self righteous crap being spewed by Christians at Christians. I will never return. :nope:

  193. Jesus Christ said, “I am the Way, the TRUTH and the Life.” Are you going to say to Him, “I will never return?”

    You are being very subjective by not giving us any reasons to believe we are wrong.

  194. Rose

    Awwwww…look how sweet and lovable of Rose to spew her “angry, hateful, self righteous crap” at us. You prefer sites it seems where everyone is in UNITY no matter what doctrine is spewed out of so called ‘Christian’ people’s mouths.

    As Tom said, you didn’t give us a reason why we are wrong, but I can guess that you are a Jonathan Cahn follower and you are upset we have exposed him.

  195. David Kocaj says:

    Jonathan Cahn, was a true minister of Righteousness when he was first called into the ministry of the Gospel of our Lord and Savour Jesus Christ. Unfortunately, like many, Cahn looked in the mirror one too many times and fell in love with himself and the desire for money. This is not an isolated incident as many Pastors today love their ministry and position above the Truth of Gods Word and sell themselves out to be applauded, praised and to make a name for themselves as well as get fat off of the flock. American Christianity, for the most part, does not reflect the Teachings of Christ most especially, when it comes to the Body of Christ (I am NOT talking about Catholicism which is the Harlot with many children) = church buildings are not Churches of Christ, they are businesses built and established by men and for man, not God.
    I would also point out that the Apostle Paul clearly spelled out for us that the Rapture will not occur until the Man of Sin is Revealed ( II Thes. Ch 2). As far as the Tribulation is concerned for Us who are covered and washed in the Blood of the Lamb, the Tribulation Period began 2000 Years ago when Christ told us that ” If they hated Me they will hate you also who believe” along with Peter and Paul admonishing us that “Through many tribulations we must enter the Kingdom of God” ( Acts 14:22) and “Grow in Christ” ( I Peter 1:6-7).
    Those who worship Pre-Trib Dogma do so against Scripture. The Rapture will come to us just as Jesus, Paul, John, Peter and the Prophets ( Daniel, Elijah) have foretold. Pray for Jonathan Cahn to be delivered from :hi: the deception of Pride. Please pray for me as I am a Father/Husband going through very hard trials that have me in ‘Job like’ unexplained sufferings. God Bless and thank you, David K in NJ

    [Edited by DTW – your comment landed in our SPAM section, I have removed it to the comments section and we will answer you shortly]

  196. Jacki J. says:

    I have three questions and they are not all related to Jonathon Cahn.
    1) Have you read the following books: Sitting at The Feet Of Rabbi Jesus, Walking in the Dust if Rabbi Jesus, and Reading the Bible with Rabbi Jesus by Lois Tverberg , and if so, any comments?
    2) You seem to have major concerns about people who are Catholic even tho they are Christians. Are they not?
    3) I “discern” you have major concerns about Jonathon Cahn’s teachings, but have you had contact with him to discuss many things he is verbalizing in his books, videos, etc. it would be interesting to you debate him. Like the political debates ;-)

    That is all for now?

  197. Hi Jacki

    1) I personally haven’t read any of Lois Tverberg’s books. A cursory examination on the Internet left me with the impression that she wants to make us believe that Christianity throughout the ages never got it right because they never understood the Jewish context of Jesus’ words.

    For instance, in her book, “Walking in the Dust of Rabbi Jesus,” she explains the significance of the word Shema and makes it a starting point for understanding Yeshua who said, “For him who has ears to hear.” She explains to readers who may be unaware of the significance of “hear in order to obey” as a key to following Yeshua. From there she proceeds to the “love God” command and adds depth from the Jewish practice of looking for meaning in the exact working of Torah. She draws on the mystery of the final word in the love God command, which might be rendered love God “with all your muchness.” She points out that we do not have to choose between three interpretations, but can accept all three as layers: with all your strength, with all your intelligence, and also with all your increase (meaning income, so that you love God by giving to those in need).

    Giving to the poor is indeed a wonderful thing but it does not prove that you love God. Paul said: “And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.” (1 Corinthians 13:3). She says that Jesus’ words can change your life. If that was true, why did the nation of Israel, whose had his words for centuries, reject their own Messiah? His words alone can not save or change your life. It is faith in Him and his words that save and change you. Many so-called Christians, among them Roman Catholics and the Emergent church, believe they only need to emulate Him and his words and to follow Him in the dust to be changed. You may as well sit at the feet at an Eastern mystic guru’s feet and follow him in the dust; it won’t benefit you one single bit.

    Roman Catholics, like so many billions of other people, are only Christians in name because they have a different gospel. I know of several ex-Roman Catholics who got saved but left their church because they could no longer go along with their doctrines of demons. (Revelation 19:4).

    Jonathan Cahn can read, can’t he? Let him read the articles DTW has written about him to warn the Bride of Christ.

  198. Dear Jacki J

    I do believe Johnathan Cahn has read this article as he did a youtube video where he lambasted websites (no names mentioned) for speaking out against him. And he made a point of mentioning something that I said in this article that is not mentioned on any other article on the internet. I had a seriously good chuckle, as I immediately realised it was DTW he was referring too.

    If you feel he has not seen this article that appears in Google search when you search for his name, then please by all means do your duty and inform him and send him the link.

  199. Dear David

    You said “Jonathan Cahn, was a true minister of Righteousness”

    Ok I have to ask, so you’re saying he was born again (a minister of Righteousness) in the beginning, and then he lost his salvation (and became Satan’s minister 2 Cor 11:13-15) after becoming greedy?

    You said “Those who worship Pre-Trib Dogma do so against Scripture.”

    No we worship Jesus Christ.

    But let’s throw your comment back at you…so you worship non pre-trib dogma right? righttt…

    I see you too believe the church has to be purified, tried by fire as it were… Can you explain this doctrine of purification to me please? :smile:

  200. Dawn says:

    Deborah,
    I do not know Jonathan Cahn personally. Do you know him personally? I am aware of but not too familiar with what he has said and taught with regards to the Harbinger and the Shemitah. Is the purpose of your article to discredit, Jonathan Cahn?

    You make some statements I would like to further explore:
    Who do we as Christian know that delve into Gnostic teachings such as the Kabbalah etc? Freemasons of course. Is Jonathan Cahn a Freemason? A picture is worth a thousand words:

    Do you need some more proof? The picture below shows Jonathan Cahn showing the Hebrew letter for Shin ( ש) hand sign in Kabbalah, made popular by Dr Spok in Star Trek also known as the Vulcan salute.

    Where did you get your information? I like to know these things before I consider sharing posts/articles/blogs etc. with others.

    Thank you and best regards.

    YSIC

  201. Dear Dawn

    I do not know you and you don’t know me personally either. Everything I believe is on this website for all to read and scrutinize.

    Just as you speak to me using the internet, I speak to you using the internet and get all my info from the internet, that includes: Jonathan Cahn’s youtube videos and website.

    The purpose of my article is to EXPOSE a false teacher, so having said that…

    Let me ask more pressing questions shall we, because of the 203 comments so far, pretty much everyone (including you) that has commented has ignored these few VERY IMPORTANT things (way more important than the TWO pictures of Johnathan Cahn using masonic hand-signs) and this I find utterly fascinating. So I should like to ask you what you think.

    Let’s start:

    1) Do you agree with his use of the Zohar (the Kabbalah which is occult) to explain scripture – see video?
    2) Do you agree with his doctrine on “State of Onement” – see video?
    3) Do you agree with his doctrine of “The Alpha Light” – see video?

    While we are at it, do you agree with the giant statue of Jesus (0.25 seconds) shown to Johnathan Cahn and he says “THANK YOU” on the Jim Bakker show? (See video below). Jim Bakker is a false teacher too.

    GRAVEN IMAGE (IDOL):

    Exodus 20:4-6 “4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.”

    Deuteronomy 4:16-18 “16Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female, 17The likeness of any beast that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged fowl that flieth in the air, 18The likeness of any thing that creepeth on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth:”

    Leviticus 26:1 “Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.”

    Isaiah 42:8 “I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.”

    In fact if you look on youtube it looks like Johnathan Cahn has appeared on pretty much every false teachers TV show. Jonathan Cahn appeared on Pat Robertson’s show multiple times. (Pat Robertson is a Freemason). There is even a video of Jonathan Cahn giving Pat Robertson a masonic handshake and calling him ‘brother’ – but right now I’m having a problem finding that video…oh well, it will show up when I am probably not looking for it.

    I would like to add that false teachers preach a lot of truth, so does Jonathan Cahn, listening to him and his history lessons can be quite entertaining and this is where he catches people, they think “this guy speaks so much truth, he must be a man from God” and then Jonathan Cahn slips in his false teachings that end up leading people down a very wide path.

    Hebrew Roots teaching is false teaching. Hebrew roots teaches that if you don’t go back to the Jewish root of things, you won’t make it to heaven, you are missing out, your salvation is worthless.

    It would be so much easier for everyone in the church if false teachers walked in with hats saying “I’m a false teacher”. But that will never be the case, hence we as Christians have to do our own investigations, “test the spirits” (1 John 4: 1-6) especially into what they preach – does it line up with scripture.

    FALSE TEACHERS:  Kenneth Copeland & Jonathan Cahn
    Kenneth Copeland is a 33 degree Freemason and is right up there with some of the most heinous false teachers I know to date.

    Jonathan Cahn lights UNIVERSAL Menorah
    See article on the UNIVERSAL Menorah: https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/08/21/why-would-a-christian-use-a-menorah/

    And just in case you think Jonathan Cahn did that Shin (ש) sign which is a the mystic hand-sign for all Rabbis by accident, here we have it again…

    Jonathan Cahn - mystic Rabbi handsign

    Matt 23:1-8 (KJV)
    1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. 4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. 5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, 6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, 7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. 8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

    What is this “and enlarge the borders of their garments”?

    G2899 κράσπεδον kraspedon (kra’-spe-d̮on) n.
    1. a margin.
    2. (specially) , a fringe or tassel.

  202. Tawnia says:

    Unfortunately, most of the scriptures you use are taken sorely out of context. Honestly, I don’t have an opinion about him because I’ve not heard him speak yet. But, the way you have misinterpreted scriptures makes me call into question your interpretation of what he has taught and whether or not you truly understand truth of what is and is not said. You even contradict yourself so much, I became frustrated halfway through the article. You could be right about this guy, but your argument against him is weak with poorly understood theology. Thus, I will be researching, reading and listening to him and making decisions for myself (as everyone should do in the first place anyway). Your article just caused me to realize that I need to study this for myself.
    Note: To make yourself more believable…be sure of your facts BEFORE printing them in your articles. Make sure you are printing truth or you end up discrediting your entire article.
    IE:
    TBN stands for Trinity Broadcasting Network and is a Nondenominational Christian programming station around the clock and has no factual evidence linking it to the Vatican. I might have taken this statement for granted and believed you without checking facts if you had rather said EWTN and stands for Eternal World Television Network which is around the clock Catholic programming.

    If you respond, be sure you use factual response to my comment and not just attacking my position of standing on facts and truth of rightly divided scriptures. I noticed in the comments I have read that you ring of pleasantries when someone agreed and hatred and general statement of displeasure when someone doesn’t agree. I look only for intelligent conversation (even if I disagree) and you should also, if you are in fact a true journalist. Don’t heave general insults…I’d rather you come back with specific facts backing your position than to just say that I’m drowning in lies basically. (Remember, I don’t have a position on this man for myself yet, and you may sway my decision with factual truth.) Make sure not to use the same argument against him as in this article as I have fact checked much of it and found most of it untrue. Make sure you rightly divide the Word of God and not use scriptures out of context, also. Thanks.

  203. Tawnia

    Would you mind giving us examples where the author took scripture sorely out of context?

    TBN’s affection for the Vatican is nothing compared to their affinity for Islam.

    https://www.thebereancall.org/content/tbn-islam

    Is this the way you would want to evangelize the world?

    https://www.thebereancall.org/content/evangelizing-world

  204. Dear Tawnia

    Oh my goodness, the horror!! Of being told one has taken scripture out of context and then not told what scripture it is that was taken out of context! Was there one to start off with? :nope: I don’t think so. Otherwise you ‘the good steward that you are‘ would have told us what it is Right? And given us the correct interpretation, Right?

    You said “I have fact checked much of it and found most of it untrue

    TBN stands for Trinity Broadcasting Network and is a shadow organisation run by the Vatican.

    Your fact checking leaves little to be desired.

    Look at all this shocking proof that TBN is a Vatican organisation:

    TBN - Vatican
    Paul Crouch can’t wait to shake the Pope’s hand.

    Crowned MARY on 2nd floor of TBN Headquarters - Costa Mesa, California
    Crowned MARY on 2nd floor of TBN Headquarters – Costa Mesa, California

    TBN - Statue of Mary close up at TBN headquarters
    TBN – Statue of Mary close up

    TBN - Endorsement by Mother Theresa
    TBN – Endorsement by Mother Theresa

    See more here: http://spiritual-research-network.blogspot.com/2005/12/inside-trinity-brodcasting-network.html

    TBN - Vatican
    Paul Crouch can’t wait to shake the Pope’s hand.

    I am a born again believer contending for the faith once delivered to the saints.

    Jude 1:3 “Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.”

    You said “I have fact checked much of it and found most of it untrue. Make sure you rightly divide the Word of God and not use scriptures out of context, also.”

    Oh so you agree with everything the article, inducing the following:

    1) Do you agree with his use of the Zohar (the Kabbalah which is occult) to explain scripture – see video?
    2) Do you agree with his doctrine on “State of Onement” – see video?
    3) Do you agree with his doctrine of “The Alpha Light” – see video?

    While we are at it, do you agree with the giant statue of Jesus (0.25 seconds) shown to Johnathan Cahn and he says “THANK YOU” on the Jim Bakker show? (See video below). Jim Bakker is a false teacher too.

    Just read all of my comment to Dawns which is above yours: https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2015/07/15/why-jonathan-cahn-and-his-revelations-must-be-ignored/#comment-484732

    And I would have to call you a liar, because you actually lied. You state that I “heave general insults” Really? Show me one, just one. And you accuse me of twisting scripture without any evidence, which I have not. I am not going to call evil good and good evil. I’ve noticed it’s the new tactic of the enemy to come lately in with ‘fly by night comments’ and accuse us without an ounce of proof, this so called “fact checking, fake news rubbish.”

    You are what’s called a Troll;

    “In Internet slang, a troll (/troʊl, trɒl/) is a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses and normalizing tangential discussion, whether for the troll’s amusement or a specific gain.” — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

    And I would love you to give an answer to Tom’s question regarding TBN and Islam. https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2015/07/15/why-jonathan-cahn-and-his-revelations-must-be-ignored/#comment-484742

  205. Dawn says:

    Deborah,
    Responding to your: 9 September, 2018 at 1:12 am reply. Let me say, I did not ignore any part of what you so meticulously documented in your article. Because I did not touch upon or address what you feel was most important, or ask questions you wanted me to ask, does not mean I ignored anything. I feel you were presumptuous to say so. I come from an analyst background. Our #1 guideline is this– just because it is on the internet, does not make it true. As an analyst, we go straight to what could be deemed conjecture, opinion, or supposition, and we determine if there is any basis, or solid evidence. I did not necessarily discount or disagree with everything else you wrote, but as an analyst I did what I am trained to do. If there is even one claim or statement that is false, the rest of what is written becomes suspect. I am sure you understand. So, I cut right to it and honed in on those two things. Without me having to ask, you confirmed what I suspected when you said, “…I speak to you using the internet and get all my info from the internet…”

    You may not care to post my reply but at least you will read this in private.

    To answer your questions:
    1) Do you agree with his use of the Zohar (the Kabbalah which is occult) to explain scripture – see video? Do not need to watch the video. Answer: NO
    2) Do you agree with his doctrine on “State of Onement” – see video? Do not need to watch the video. Answer: NO, if it is not in the Bible, I do not agree. I do believe we are One with Him through His Son’s death and resurrection, and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
    3) Do you agree with his doctrine of “The Alpha Light” – see video? Do not need to watch the video. Answer: NO, if it is not in the Bible, I do not agree.

    I do not know Tawnia, and although I was not surprised by her scrutiny and criticisms, I was however surprised by your reaction. You called her a liar in a public forum. As a Christian, how does that set US apart from the rest of the world? How does that demonstrate WE are different from any of the unsaved people out there who hurl insults?

    1 Peter 3:8-12
    8 To sum up, all of you be harmonious, sympathetic, brotherly, kindhearted, and humble in spirit; 9 not returning evil for evil or insult for insult, but giving a blessing instead…

    Ephesians 4:29-32
    29 Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. 32 Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.

    Where is the love of Christ in calling someone a liar because they disagree with you– accuse you even? WE are supposed to be better than that. WE are supposed to set ourselves apart. WE must be an example for others to follow because WE are ambassadors for Christ 24x7x365. While I admire your monumental efforts to expose false teachers, and actually agree with much of what you wrote, I am discouraged… and disappointed. All these scriptures about love…

    John 13:34-35
    34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. 35 By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”

    1 Corinthians 13:2, 4-7
    2 If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.

    4 Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, 5 does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, 6 does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

    I have a question for you. Is there genuine love in your heart when you reply– even to those who disagree with you?

    YSIC

  206. Dawn quoted:

    1 Peter 3:8-12
    8 To sum up, all of you be harmonious, sympathetic, brotherly, kindhearted, and humble in spirit; 9 not returning evil for evil or insult for insult, but giving a blessing instead…

    This is also in the Bible, Dawn.

    Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. (John 8:44)

    But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. (Matthew 16:23)

    Guess who said this, Dawn.

    But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. (Galatians 1:8-10).

    Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever. (Jude 1:11-13).

    I have a question for you. Is there genuine love in your heart for Jesus, Paul and Jude who said these “harsh and unloving” words, Dawn?

    The Kabbalah is Pharisee heresy, Dawn.

  207. Dear Dawn

    You said “So, I cut right to it and honed in on those two things. Without me having to ask, you confirmed what I suspected when you said, “…I speak to you using the internet and get all my info from the internet…”” [Emphasis added]

    I just love how you ‘tried’ to go straight for the jugular vein, Dawn. But missed. You came here to fight didn’t you? Oh yes youuuuu did! You had it confirmed in your mind long before you even started to write your comment. You had it all planned out didn’t you. Sneaky Sneaky. You ignored my entire comment proving my point that you asked me to prove, and then you were thinking to yourself; ‘Ohhhhhh yippeee, I got her cornered now, everything she says is on the internet and she gets all her info from the internet, so I’ll say to her “just because it is on the internet, does not make it true” and then you throw in another supposedly cunning sidestep by referring to Tawnia’s comment that has nothing to do with your comment.

    If someone lies then they are a liar right?

    I am going to take a wild guess and say that you have never called anyone a liar in your entire life, even as a Christian you have never called anyone a liar? Right? Please tell me I am wrong. Or wait, you do everything in secret…?

    But just wait, I’m going to get real honest with you now, seeing that you lack a certainly quality when it comes to being a Christian and that is called HONESTY.

    You said “Where is the love of Christ in calling someone a liar because they disagree with you– accuse you even?”

    You said it, where is the love in being an ACCUSER Dawn? You came here, of your own free will, on a public forum with the full intent to accuse me of lying, but not actually calling me the word ‘liar’. How sweet of you. You drip honey.

    1Pet 5:8 (KJV)
    8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

    What is the difference between accusing someone of lying or telling someone they are lying vs calling them a liar?

    Must I instead say to make you feel better about yourself, “You are not telling the truth”, or “Why are you not telling the truth?” or “Why are you accusing me of not telling the truth?” or “What are you accusing me of, lying?” or “Why are you lying”, or…

    You said “just because it is on the internet, does not make it true.”

    Well Dawn, if your No.1 Guideline to your school taught ‘analysis’ is true then your comment that you typed that is on the internet and everything you say everywhere, books included, notes on paper, even real life thoughts (because you typed your comment in real life using the internet and submitted your thoughts via bits and bytes onto black and white screens), could be one big lie. In fact I don’t believe a word of what you said.

    Now, you have not proved me wrong on a single point in this article. In fact you possibly ‘don’t even exist’ according to your school taught No.1 Guideline.

    I use what is called BIBLICAL DISCERNMENT that comes by the Holy Spirit.

    Hebrews 5:14 “But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil.”

    Wisdom and discernment come from seeking the Lord and His will for our lives.

    So Dawn this is what you do:

    James 1:5 “If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him.”

    Proverbs 3:13 “Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.”

    You said “As a Christian, how does that set US apart from the rest of the world?”

    Do you know what set us apart from the rest of the world Dawn? THE TRUTH and nothing but the TRUTH (John 14:6).

    If I told you that Johnathan Cahn was a man of God instead of the truth: that he is a Pharisee, or that TBN was a Christian TV instead of the truth: that it’s part of Vatican II Evangelization program to draw the world back to the Vatican. I would be leading you and everyone astray, your blood would be on my hands (Ezekiel 3:18-21) and I would be found by God to be a liar.

    1 John 3:18 “My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.”

    Lastly…to prove you are 100% suspect in your thoughts, words and the reasons why you came here to comment in the first place, based on your reasoning that “If there is even one claim or statement that is false, the rest of what is written becomes suspect.”

    You said “Without me having to ask, you confirmed what I suspected…”

    Actually I am sorry to say this Dawn, but you lied. Your statement is false. You did ask me!

    you said; “Where did you get your information? I like to know these things before I consider sharing posts/articles/blogs etc. with others.” [Emphasis added]

    PS; You say ‘YSIC’ at the end of your comments. I would be careful who I go around calling ‘Your Sister in Christ’ on the internet, because based on your No.1 Guideline “just because it is on the internet, does not make it true.”

  208. For some strange reason the comment section was closed on all articles older than 28 days, I’ve opened them again. We’ve had this glitch before I have no idea why it closes the comments.

  209. Tim says:

    [DELETED By DTW – Dear Dawn, coming back using another name with another email address is lying. Try not lie again, I know it appears to be difficult for you, but ask God to help you stop. I will pray for you too.]

  210. Natalie says:

    You seem very defensive when people say you are a bit bitter. You come off very angry. Just saying. To tell people to move along if they don’t agree or if they find some claims in your article questionable you attack them and practically call them stupid. Wow. This is shocking how agressive you are. Did you really call someone a troll and a liar? You call others false teachers but not yourself?

  211. HI Natalie,

    We wouldn’t mind being called false teachers if you can prove from Scripture that we are. I assume you have children. What would you do if they were on a path leading to a huge and very dangerous cliff which may cause their death if they continued on their dangerous path? Are you going to warn them or encourage them to continue on their path because you love them so much?

    There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. (Proverbs 14:12).

    No, Natalie, we are not bitter and neither are we aggressive. We are deeply concerned about people like you (and whose children may be on the wrong path) to warn them before it is too late.

    Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman: If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people; Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head. He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul. But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman’s hand. (Ezekiel 33:2-6).

    Are you a watchman for your children, friends, and family, Natalie?

  212. Dear Natalie

    When people tell me I am lying without proof, yes I get upset, you would too :smile: So tell me Natalie, instead of accusing me for nothing, because you have not told me where I have lied in my article. Try come back in your next comment and prove to me I have spoken falsely regarding Jonathn Cahn, someone whom you agree with I would imagine, otherwise there would be no reason for you to comment.

    You said “Did you really call someone a troll and a liar?”

    Yes I did, what a shocker in this day and age of ‘positive thought and positive thinking’. Natalie, are you telling me you have never called anyone a liar before? Please tell me I am wrong.

    The bible calls people for what they are; liars, if they lie. The bible doesn’t call them ‘tellers of the almighty truth’ if they preaching falsely. That would be schizophrenia.

    Proverbs 6:16-19 16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: 17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, 19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

    You said “You call others false teachers but not yourself?”

    Um, no, that would be silly, that’s what you are here for :smile:

  213. Robert Van Staden says:

    I always wonder (when we get hit and runners like Natalie) if they really read the article or at least do their own research and study?
    I wonder if they know that the result of being ignorant and deceived by false teachers or false prophets is not a pleasant one.

    “And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel. And they shall bear the punishment of their iniquity: the punishment of the prophet shall be even as the punishment of him that seeketh unto him;”
    —Ezekiel 14:9-10

    “Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.”
    —Matthew 14:15

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