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Tithing – Are you really robbing God if you don’t?

Tithing - Are you really robbing God if you don't?


Tithing – Are you really robbing God if you don’t?

By Chris De Wet

Titus 1:11: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake.


There is a lot of confusion with regard to some Biblical  doctrines today. One of the topics is the issue, regarding tithing. Where did it originate and what does it mean today?

As soon as there is confusion on regarding a doctrine, the best course of action to take is to study the Scriptures, in their original language and culture then  to put all Scripture into its proper context. One does not have to be a Greek or Hebrew scholar to use some of the resources available.

Bibles are available that have number coded references, with a concordance to illustrate and illuminate the original meanings of the words. An example of this would be the descriptive meaning for the word “faith,” in the Scriptures. This word is mostly understood as to believe in something, but the Greek word “Pisteo or Pistis” and the Hebrew word “Emunah” describes the word “faith” in our English translations as, to have faith only while the Greek and Hebrew understanding would be to have faith but also to be. If one looks at the context of being saved through faith in the westernized way of the English literature, then the Devil must also be saved, because he also believes in God. He knows that God exists. The only problem he has is that he is not faithful. So, just to believe in God is not enough, we have to be faithful as well. A basic truth like faith, now has a broader and more descriptive and relevant meaning.

A recommendation is to use the Greek – Hebrew Study Bible as given out by AMG Publishers of which Spiros Zodhiates (Th. D) is the executive editor. There are different versions available. Unfortunately all NIV versions are very suspect as 17 verses and 64750 words have been omitted from these NIV translations. Paraphrases and other similar literature should be avoided, when an in depth study needs to be made into Scripture. Anything diverting further away from the original texts, are sure to have divert more from the original texts.

Then there is the Greek to English Interlinear, the Greek to English Lexicon by George Berry as well as the Young’s exhaustive Concordance, which may be used. These are helps for the layperson, not learned in the Greek or Hebrew languages. Another reliable source to consider is the Afrikaans old translation (1933), if you are able to read Afrikaans and if you are still able to obtain such Bibles.

It is also important to know that theologians do study or should study the original languages, that is to say Greek and Hebrew. The only problem is that it is studied but not applied to the Scriptures. If it so happens that it is applied to Scriptures by them, and they realize the truth and do not apply it, it is them robbing God, by not coming forward with the truth. There is a difference in knowing the original languages and applying this to Scripture.

For the purpose of this study, I will mention that I have used information regarding this topic from various theologians. I have used teachings from Jacob Prasch as well as Zac Poonen and Nick Maartens.

Getting back to the topic on Tithing

Apart from other sources, I also used the Hebrew – Greek Study Bible in the King James Version for the purpose of this study. All quotations are from the King James.

We will be looking at the following:

  1. What is God’s and what belongs to us?
  2. What is the origin of Biblical tithing and what types are there in the Old Testament?
  3. Misinterpretation on tithing.
  • Why the delusion?
  • What to do.
  • Scriptures used out of context.
  • Condemnation and grace.
  • Malachi tithing and offerings
  1. New Testament giving.
  2. Handy Scriptures concerning money.
  3. Conclusion

1.    What is God’s and what belongs to us?

Psalms:24:1: The earth is the LORD’s, and the fullness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.

If everything is the Lord’s, then you can’t give to Him what already belongs to Him, can you?

Psalms:50:7: Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel, and I will testify against thee: I am God, even thy God.

Psalms:50:8: I will not reprove thee for thy sacrifices or thy burnt offerings, to have been continually before me.

Psalms:50:9: I will take no bullock out of thy house, nor he goats out of thy folds.

Psalms:50:10: For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.

Psalms:50:11: I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine.

Psalms:50:12: If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fullness thereof.

No, we cannot give to the Lord, but we should give to His flock. To those who are in need.

Haggai:2:8: The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, saith the LORD of hosts.

Rom:11:35: Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?

Who has ever given to the Lord, so that He is obliged to return any favor?

So much of what we hear today, is give to receive again. This is totally unscriptural, yet it is preached to expect a hundred fold in return. We will be looking at this type of Scriptural principle later on in this document.

There are born again people who are financially blessed, but these people will always have a tendency to give more than a tithe or ten percent, if their heart is right with the Lord.

Psalm 73 explains the blessing of the wicked and the poor. It is more difficult for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God, than for a camel to pass trough the eye of a needle. (Matt.19:24)

Deut.:8:3: And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

Deut.:8:16: Who fed thee in the wilderness with manna, which thy fathers knew not, that he might humble thee, and that he might prove thee, to do thee good at thy latter end;

Deut.:8:17: And thou say in thine heart, My power and the might of mine hand hath gotten me this wealth.

This is what happens with most people who are financially well off. Be careful to say it is through your own power, that you received wealth.

The Lord will humble people by allowing them to suffer financial hardship, before blessing them. He will let you know and will test you in poverty, before He blesses you, because He wants you to realize two things;

  1. He gave you the blessing.
  2. You must learn how to work with God’s money, by seeing to your needs, not your wants and to give to the church. (The church being people and not an organization. As someone once put it – The Church is not an organization but and organism)

There is nothing wrong with money; the problem lies with us and what we do with it. In Luke 16 we are told to make friends unto the unrighteous mammon, but also that we should not worship both mammon and God. Money like emotion, is a very good servant, but a very bad master.

Deut.:8:18: But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day.

Remember that if the Lord will blesses us wealth, it will be  to establish His covenant and for us to make disciples of all nations. The money not used for this purpose, should be enough to meet your needs and not your wants. One should be content in receiving enough for your needs, not your lusts or wants.

1Tim:6:6: But godliness with contentment is great gain.

James:4:3: Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

2.      What is the origin of tithing and what types are there in the Old Testament?

There were four types of valid tithing in the Old Testament or Torah.

  • Firstly, the tithe to the Levites

Num.:18:20: And the LORD spake unto Aaron, Thou shalt have no inheritance in their land, neither shalt thou have any part among them: I am thy part and thine inheritance among the children of Israel.

All the tribes of Israel who were descendants of Abraham were allotted land. The descendants of Aaron, the tribe of Levi was not to receive land because they were to fulfill certain duties. This was a service unto God, which included a service to others. It was a type of governmental function. They were put in charge of health services (Lev. 13 + 14 & Mark 1:44). They were also in charge of applying the laws (policing & judicial) and to see to the education of the people. Every Jew had to be able to read, because they had to know the Torah off by heart.

They were thus responsible for a combination of social and religious services to the community.

The tithe towards the Levites could be seen as a type of governmental tax. The tithe the community gave to the Levites, were to be used for the upkeep of the social and religious structure of the community. They were the public servants of their time.

Deut: 14:27: And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath neither part nor inheritance with thee. This is a reminder not to forget the first tithe to the Levites.

So the first type of tithe, is the people tithing to the Levites

  • Secondly, the tithe to the Priests

Neh.:10:38: And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites, when the Levites take tithes: and the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes unto the house of our God, to the chambers, into the treasure house.

This was a tithe paid by the Levites to the priests who were in charge of all the temple duties. It was the Levites who brought the tithe of the tithe they received from the people, to the treasure house. Look carefully at this Scripture, it is A TITHE OF THE THITHES FROM the Levites.

All priests were Levites, but not all Levites were priests. The Kohen (pronounced ko-hane) or priests were specific descendants of Aaron and were also known as Zadokites. They were specifically appointed to concern themselves with Temple duties.

So the people paid a tithe to the Levites and the Levites then, had too take from all the tithes, a tithe and pay the Zadokites or the Kohen who performed  temple service. This is the second type of tithing, in the Old Testament.

  • The Third type of tithing was towards the annual Holy Days.

Deut.:14:22: Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed that the field bringeth forth year by year.

Deut.:14:23: And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.

Deut.:14:24: And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee:

Deut.:14:25: Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:

Deut.:14:26: And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,

(This should not be used as an excuse to use strong drink. One has to take the New Testament into consideration. Eph:5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;)

The people were required to gather 3 times a year for Holy Festival Days.

a)      Hag Pesach (Passover).

b)      Hag Shavuot (Pentecost).

c)      Hag Sukkoth (Tabernacle).

These Holy Days or Shabbats were for man not for God. It was for man to rest in the presence of God. God desires man, but does not need man. Man needs God, hence the Shabbat. This is also applied in the New Testament where Jesus said: Mark 2:27  And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

We are to enter into His rest. (This is why so many people burn out today – overworked and no time off – especially time with God).

We need time off with our family, which should include Bible study. The Holy Days can’t be without God.

When God has become work and not rest, you should realize that you are involved in works and not the Sabbath rest.

So, the fourth type of tithe, was for the annual pilgrimage to Jerusalem.

  • The fourth tithe, is to the less fortunate.

Deut.:14:28: At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:

Deut.:14:29: And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

This tithe was for the elderly, the less fortunate and the orphans. A special saving had to be made for them.

The sum up the tithe

All three tithes added up to about 23.3 % of  what God blessed you with.  How much are we paying today in taxes an tithes?

The people were responsible for tithing towards:

1)      The Levites.

2)      The 3 annual Holy Days.

3)       The less fortunate.

The Levites in turn had to tithe from the tithe they received towards:

4)       The Zadokites or Temple priests.

If this principle had to be applied today, we should e giving 10% to the government, then the government should give 10% of the 10% they received from us to the church.

If you should work according to this pattern, then we are overtaxed. Shouldn’t the government look after the church?

Rom.:13:6: For this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God’s ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

Ro:13:7: Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

Paying towards God’s ministers to whom it is due, is a New Testament statement, but make sure where you tithe, that it is for God’s ministers, for God’s sake. Many ministers are misusing finances for their own gain.

Does your government represent God’s ministers?

Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s, and unto God that which is God’s. What on this earth belongs to Caesar and what belongs to God?

Matt.:22:21: They say unto him, Caesar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.

The question we need to ask ourselves is: What belongs to Caesar and what belongs to God?

  1. Misinterpretations of tithing.

We must understand the difference between tithing and heavy shepherding. Heavy shepherding is also known as the action of the Nicoliatans, as mentioned in Rev. 2:6 & 15. Jesus says here, that He hates the ways of the Nicolaitans. ‘Nico’- means suppression while –‘laitans’ represent laity, which basically means people. To Lord it over, or to suppress people to gain something.

This is happening in our “churches” today. Tithing is forced on the people. People are told that they are robbing God if they do not tithe to the organization. This makes them feel guilty and they feel guilt if they do not have enough to give.

What I am writing here is not a notion against tithing, but rather to expose a legalistic bondage, imposed on the normal church attendant. Everyone should give according to his means and should make sure where his or her money will be used.

We will be looking at Scriptures used out of context and will explain why they are out of context. In most cases one verse is quoted and not the rest of the chapter, or other Scriptures. This is done by clergy to fleece God’s flock, His people. What is actually happening is that the organization is obtaining money from the flock instead of supporting the flock.

The acid test comes when some of the flock is in need. In all my experiences regarding the hurts of the church (body of believers) where believers were suffering hardships the so called organized church did not help at all and if help came it was so little that what it gave was actually useless.

Why is it possible for people to be robbed in the “church”?

Judgment always starts in the house of the Lord.

Hos.:4:6: My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Matt.:22:29: Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

2Tim.2: 15: Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 There is a difference in tithing to God, that which is already His and giving the first fruit of the crops. In affluent societies a tenth is too little to expand His Kingdom.

 Pet.:5:1: The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:

Here Peter speaks of suffering and not prosperity. Lots of “churches” today preach a prosperity gospel. The false gospel Paul mentions in 2 Cor. 11:4 and everyone tolerates it.

Looking at the New Testament the word prosper only occurs in 3 John where John writes to Gauis and wishes him well. It does not say that Gauis prospered!

If you are not financially well off, they would say that it is because of a lack of faith. Again putting one under condemnation or to make one feel guilty, while Jesus had tremendous, compassion on the poor.

Peter also mentions the word “witness” here and it is interesting to notice that, the Greek word for witness is, “Martus” or martyr.

Some religious cults will force one to give proof of your salary, then to sign a debit order, in order for them to be sure of receiving this tithe. Surely this is suggestive, forced tithing or Nicolaitism.

It is as if one is doing God a favor by tithing a tenth, yet you still hold back 90% while everything you have is God’s, given to you by His grace.

In 1 Peter 5:1 Peter is talking to the leaders of the church. He is participating in their PROSPERITY ????? NO, but in their SUFFERINGS!!!!!.

Look at what Ezekiel and Daniel said, would happen.

Ezekiel:13:10: Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered morter:

Dan:9:27: And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Jer. 6:14 & 8:11 give the same message. All of these prophets warn us of a false peace. Yes, but that is in the Old Testament you say! OK! There is a time of prosperity ahead, or is there? Let’s look at the New Testament;

1Thess:5:2: For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

1Thess:5:3: For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Rev:6:4: And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

Rev:13:4: And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Rev:13:8: And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Rev:13:9: If any man have an ear, let him hear.

One can jump this way and that way, but the only peace ahead is a false one, that of the anti Christ; it is a trap and when it comes, many will be caught in it.

What does the Bible say? The harvest will be great? Yes, when speaking about Israel, but in the last days the church or Gentiles suffer an “apostasia” or falling away. (2 Thess. 1:3, 1Tim. 4 & 2Tim.3.) When talking about large crowds, we are warned that just the opposite will happen.

Deut.7:7: The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

Matt:7:14: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Matt:22:14: For many are called, but few are chosen.

Ezekiel 44 and Judges 7 speak of this as well.

How many times have I heard people say; “Oh! But you are so negative.” No, I would reply; ”I am rather positive, in a negative world.” My hope or as hope is better explained being “future fact” in the Greek, lies in the return of my Savior, the King of kings and the LORD of lords.

People who try and avoid these issues are negative, they don’t want to know about reality. We should be soaring on eagle’s wings, not being the proverbial Ostrich by sticking our heads in a hole in the ground, thinking the problem has gone away or will disappear by itself. My hope is Jesus and there is nothing more positive, than that. Not all the money in the world, can buy this peace I have.

Tribulation we will suffer, but the Lord’s peace we will have, to strengthen and encourage us, towards an eternal hope.

In verse 2 of 1 Pet.5 Peter exhorts the elders to feed the flock, taking oversight not by constraint, but willingly and not for filthy lucre or better described as self-gain in Greek.

Notice the Scripture says that the flock should be taken care of and not for the sake of money!

In verse 3 the elders are exhorted not to be lords or masters over the flock but rather examples.

Today the examples we see from so many “leaders” in the “church,” is that they drive around in luxury vehicles, lording it over the flock, while many of the flock can barely survive financially. The flock is constantly told that they will receive back a hundred fold, if they tithe into the storehouse. Some of the people are so eager to give because of this promise, that they arrange second bonds on their homes, to give to the “church.” They were told that God would bless them, a hundred fold. But when that blessing does not come, what then?

Thoughts like: is there really a God, why did God reject me come to mind. Many times this leads to broken homes as well as divorce, but most importantly a rejection of Christ, their only hope.

How can God ordain this, unless it is not of Him but of the doctrines of men, which His Word warns us to avoid at all costs?

There are records of what eventually happens to these people. Many have lost everything. The trauma of this loss is worse than that of a rape victim. The utter despondence when they feel rejected by God or even worse, to fall away from the faith.

Acts 20:35: I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.

The Bible says; it is more blessed to give to the WEAK, the needy in the body, than to receive. The “clergy” say it is more blessed for the weak, to give to a powerful “church”.

We often hear that those who are poor do not receive because they have a lack of faith, yet the pastor does very little  or nothing to help them, it is the pastor’s faith that lacks.

Read what James says in the Scriptures. James says that without works our faith is dead. So it is actually believers or the pastors who do not tend to the poor and needy that lack faith, because they do not have the works to go with the faith.

James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

A Scripture which surely opened my eyes and is NEVER quoted in the religious establishment  of today is;

Mic:3:11: The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the LORD, and say, Is not the LORD among us?  none evil can come upon us.

After fleecing the sheep they have to audacity to say, “Is not the Lord among us?” Doesn’t this sound familiar to you? Indeed wicked rulers and priests! This is what the Bible calls these people.

Now many people will say that if someone gets up and mentions this, it is fault finding. Rather see it as a warning, because these warnings are written in Scripture. They are not sucked out of someone’s thumb. If a person opposes this, then he opposes Scripture and has  an ostrich mentality.

Should a person keep quiet when a robbery takes place, or should you warn those who are being robbed, or are about to be robbed?

Titus:1:11: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake.

The real problem is not the action of tithing, but rather lording it over people or heavy shepherding, for self-gain.

Ezek.:34:1: And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

Eze:34:2: Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto the shepherds; Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves!  should not the shepherds feed the flocks?

Ezek.:34:3: Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed: but ye feed not the flock.

Ezek.:34:4: The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up that which was broken, neither have ye brought again that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with cruelty have ye ruled them.

The shepherds do not feed the flock Spiritually or physically. Spiritually because of the distorted doctrine, due to covetousness and physically not, because many of the people who tithe here have to  rely on other sources for food.

Here I may mention that food was channeled through me in person, to such families. Families who tithed to these people, yet they did not have enough in their own homes to survive on.

The pastors sleep in luxury, only wear designer clothes and have abundance  in financial resources which they received from these now suffering poverty. Yet those who made these pastors rich will receive nothing in return when they lack.

Now, the same “leaders” who did not feed their own flock suffering in poverty will “gladly” and seemingly feed the poor, but not without publicity.

All this to be seen and recognized by man. It is a marketing agenda, to get more money, because when people see this they even give more not realizing that the majority of the funds are applied to enrich the pastors.

Giving by these organizations  is always published in the media. What ever happened to not letting your right hand know what the left is doing? Nowhere in the Bible does it say to make public the helping and the giving to the poor, yet these big churches with all the money, do exactly that. The Bible states:

Matt. 6:1- 4 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth. That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

Yet, when these “church leaders and followers” are confronted with the true tithing issue as explained here, or with other doctrinal issues, they can never find fault with the truth, but would justify their good works and mention that they are giving so much and so much to the poor and the orphans, while they themselves do not live as the sheep, but much better than the sheep, or the poor and the orphans. The aim is to show good works as a means to obtain more money and to move into a higher standard of living and houses worth millions with luxury vehicles in their driveways.

These people will go so far as to publish their good works in the local news papers, even to the point of printing special bulletins in these news papers. The laity or ordinary people not knowing better, are strengthened and mislead by these publications, resulting in an increasing paradigm to believe the lie even more.

It is an advertising gimmick, to gain more business, yet the Bible clearly states that this is wrong and basically being of the same stature as that of the Pharisees who the Lord Jesus called a brood of vipers.

Remember Judas Iscariot’s reaction, when Mary anointed the feet of Jesus? “Let’s rather give to the poor”. Wasn’t this also a hidden agenda? He betrayed Christ for money. Self-gain was and still is the agenda of the Judas of then and of today, a type of figure of the anti-Christ. Nothing under the son has changed.

Look again at verse three. Who wears the wool? The poor widow who tithes the last bit of her pension money, or the “leaders” driving their BMW’s? Wolves in sheep’s’ clothing. Who should we feel sorry for, the widow, or the prospering “clergy”?

Matt:7:15: Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Acts:20:29: For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

Zec:11:4: Thus saith the LORD my God; Feed the flock of the slaughter;

Zec:11:5: Whose possessors slay them, and hold themselves not guilty: and they that sell them say, Blessed be the LORD; for I am rich: and their own shepherds pity them not.

This is what the Bible says as a warning, especially in the last days.

A true leader will always be a servant but now it is the flock serving the shepherd.

Look at Jesus. It was He who washed the feet of the disciples. Will any of these leaders wash the feet of any of the flock? By their fruits you will know them. Will they be willing to die for you, like The Good Shepherd?

I serve a different God, not the god who they demand must serve them. Surely we are God’s servants and He is not our servant, but our Lord and Master.

The top echelon of these leaders can’t even save their own marriages! According to the Bible divorce without one of the parties being an adulterer is, adultery.

How many of these clergy have divorced? Look at the statistics. How will they spare the flock in the sight of danger, if they can’t even spare their own marriages?

Speak to people who have come out of these “churches” I know many of them. Hear what they have to say. It is no joke.

In my possession I have an e-mail of  an ex-charismatic senior pastor of Rhema ,who calls the “prospering church” he belonged to “The seat of Satan”

The Bible says to mark them and avoid them:

Rom:16:17: Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

Let us look at some quotations by certain individuals, then compare it with the Scriptures, to determine if their doctrine corresponds with Scriptural doctrine.

The message in Heb. 2:10Heb. 11:36, Heb. 12: 7-17, Joh.16:33, 1Tim.1:16, 2Kor. 12:7, 2Tim.3:10 – 11, 2Tim.1:12 & 2:9, 2Tim.4:6, 1Pet.2:21,  1Pet.4:14, Hand. 16:23 & 14:22 7 & 15:26, Luk. 22:35, 2Kor.1:5 – 7 etc. etc. does not correspond with what is quoted next.

John Avanzini says:

Jesus had an expensive ministry – (Praise the Lord (TBN) 9/15/88

Jesus had a nice house, a big house – Believers voice of victory,(TBN) 1/20/91

Jesus wore designer clothes – Believers voice of victory,(TBN) 1/20/91

Paul had the kind of money that could stop up justice- Believers voice of victory,(TBN) 1/20/91

If you had a treasurer, that means you have a lot of money– (Praise the Lord (TBN) 9/15/88

Jesus was handling big money. – (Praise the Lord (TBN) 9/15/88

Robert Tilton says:

Being poor is a sin – (Success in Life, recorded 12/2/90)

The only time people were poor in the Bible was when they were under a curse. – (Success in Life, recorded 12/2/90)

Do not say “Lord if it be thy will” – (Success in Life, recorded 12/2/90)

The Word of God says; Matt. 6: 10 …Thy will be done…? 1Joh.5:14 And this is the confidence that I have in Him, that, if we ask any thing according to His WILL, he heareth us:

Fred Price Said:

You can have what you say (Praise the Lord (TBN) 9/12/90

Jesus and His disciples were rich, only rich people could take off for 3.5 years. (Ever increasing faith, recorded 11/23/9)

This is what Jesus said:

Matt. 8: 20 And Jesus said unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

If you could find one Scripture to prove these remarks, the Bible will show you a Scripture out of context.

There are too many of these quotations to mention here and it is still going on.

The unfortunate part is that these people are allowed and approved of  in the by  those who do not know better. This is what Rhema is about, but not true Scriptural rhema. What prosperity is there on the cross? Jesus told us to take up our cross and follow Him.

There are also the less conspicuous religious teachings, where Malachi 3: 10 is taught, yet still out of it’s original context, referring to the laity or the people, who are responsible for this tithe, while the Bible clearly says it is the tithe of the Levites.

But the Bible warns us to beware of the wolves in sheep’s clothing. They look like the sheep, they talk like the sheep and they act like the sheep.

Yes, full time shepherds are entitled to double honorarium. A true shepherd will not use the money for own pleasures, but rather towards discipleship and channeled to the body. They would use most of the honorarium towards the flock and cover their needs with part of what is left over.

A true master is never above his servant and a true shepherd, never more than the flock. Jesus died for the flock.

The Lord has made each one of us, a steward of the blessing He has given us. How many times haven’t I heard people who instinctively know they are being robbed, say; “I give, but the pastor who unjustly applies the tithing he receives from me, will be accountable”

This is partly true, but the Lord did not entrust him with your money, but you. Each one of us will stand before a Righteous Judge one day – ALONE. The pastor of your congregation will not be there to back you up, he will have his own explaining to do, while you will have to explain why you gave to the rich instead of giving to the poor.

These pastors will say that if you tithe you must expect end even claim from God.

Rom.:11:35: Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?

Unfortunately there is a lot of naming and claiming, even demands made by people towards God in our time. Scriptures are quoted out of their original meaning, to suit the self, rather than the truth.

To say give to the Lord to receive again, does not correspond with the above-mentioned Scripture.

One of the many Scriptures quoted is:

James 4:3 where it is says, “You ask not, that is why you receive not.”

The problem is that only part of the Scripture is quoted. This is what it really says:

James: 4:3: Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

In the very next verse we read:

James: 4:4: Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God, whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

The Lord’s Kingdom is not of this world. He calls the love of materialism, harlotry. One cannot love money and the Lord. In Luke 16 we read that, you may make friends with Mammon to use it, but you may only love God.

1Tim:6:10: For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

The return you are promised a hundred fold? Our promise lies in the everlasting life, after death. The promise we receive has an eschatological significance. We are taught by the Scriptures not to be materialistic, to take up our cross and to be willing to accept persecution, for His name’s sake, then only the promise.

In how many congregations do we hear that God’s blessing in people is measured by their wealth?

This is precisely how the world will judge a person, by their wealth. Even the “church” is more careful in their approach when facing a wealthy person, than one not so well off. What does the Bible say about this?

1Tim:6:5: Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

The Bible says that we should withdraw from men saying that gain is because of godliness or our faith.

Luk.:12:15: And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man’s life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.

People have become blind to the truth and facts stay facts. Many people are being robbed openly today in the “churches” yes, with open eyes the are deceived. But God won’t deceive us, they say. What does God say?

2Thess.:2:10: And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

2Thess.:2:11: And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

If you do not study the truth, the Scriptures, practice it and keep the faith, you will be deceived. This is what the Bible says! Facts are facts and deceptions are deceptions.

People bent on tithing will also quote:

Gen:14:18: And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the highest God.

Gen:14:19: And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:

Gen: 14:20: And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand.  And he gave him tithes of all.

This is to “prove” that tithing was established before the time of Moses, the Torah or law and that tithes have to be given to the priest. To find out what the Melchizedek tithe meant one has to not only read this passage, but also read on to verses 22 & 23.

From verse 18 – 20 it is clear that this was not Abraham’s belongings which was tithed, but rather the booty or loot he had gathered from conquering the enemy.

Gen:14:22: And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,

Gen:14:23: That I will not take from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:

Although he gave away 10% of the booty, he stated that he did not even want any of it, because it was not his.

It is also interesting to note that this was a ONCE OFF event, which never took place again.

Ninety percent and more of Scripture quoted for the purposes of pleading for tithes are taken out of context today. God says let few be teachers, because those teachers teaching the flock will be held accountable for what they teach.

James:3:1: My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

The problem is that a proper exegetical description of texts are never sought. Most people will believe anything, coming from the pulpit. Just like in the days of the Sadducees and Pharisees. But Paul commended the Bereans for checking his own teachings, against the Scriptures.

Gen:28:20: And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on,

Gen:28:21: So that I come again to my father’s house in peace; then shall the LORD be my God:

Gen:28:22: And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God’s house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

This is another “old favorite” Scripture used. If one reads this piece carefully, it says that Jacob promised the tithe IF – “ God will do five things…”

  1. Be with him
  2. Keep him in this way
  3. Give him bread to eat
  4. Give him raiment to wear and
  5. Allow him to get to his father’s house.

It is clear that Jacob tried to negotiate with God. Never in the Bible is it mentioned that Jacob kept his promise. We are told in Scripture never to make promises to God, because we will not be able to keep them.

Eccl: 5:5: Better is it that thou shouldest not vow, than that thou shouldest vow and not pay.

Gen. 28: 20 – 22 has an eschatological significance in that:

  • Jacob represents unrepentant Israel
  • Israel is Jacob’s name, after he had wrestled with God.

In the book of Daniel we read about the time of Jacob’s trouble, which refers to the last days where Israel will face tremendous persecution and tribulation, before recognizing Him, Who was pierced for their transgressions.

Israel as a nation today, is known as Jacob in the flesh. Jacob needed to wrestle with God first, before he became Israel. The trouble in Israel evident today is the start of this wrestling taking place.

The five things mentioned in the verses above, also carries a message of salvation to Jacob (unrepentant Israel). The number five in the Bible will always point to salvation of some sort. Let us take a closer look.

  1. Be with him – points to the fact that God will never leave or forsake unrepentant Israel. The problem is that it is Israel, who does not want to stay with God.
  2. Keep him in this way – God has foreordained Israel to go a certain route prophetically and will keep them in this destination.
  3. Give him bread to eat – He has given them the Bread of Life their Messiah, Whom they rejected but, they will eventually accept that Bread, the Manna from Heaven.
  4. Give him raiment to wear and – This speaks of the garments of salvation, Israel must wear.
  5. Allow him to get to his father’s house – This happens right in the end where, repentant Israel will be accepted in the Father’s house.

Once you have wrestled with God and suffered some tribulation, Jesus receives you and you belong to Him with a new name given to you. Everything of your life is tithed to Him now. This is a promise that only God can keep and fulfill.

To take Gen. 28:20 – 22 and use it either to negotiate with God, or to make promises you will not be able to keep, is twisting away from the intended meaning.

Mal.:3:10: Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

This all time favorite Scripture is the big one, vandalized out of context, by more than 90 % of all churches.

The problem once again is, that ONLY this Scripture is quoted. Whenever one Scripture is quoted, please remember what Jesus said when He was tempted by Satan; “It is also written”

3.     Very important regarding the book of Malachi!!!

If Malachi 3 especially verse 10 is seen as applicable to the New Testament church and this verse made applicable to the congregants, why is the rest of  Scriptures concerning Malachi rejected as being under the law.

Look at Malachi, it consists of 4 chapters.

Chapter 1 refers to offerings made to the Lord which the Lord despised. These were sacrificial offerings where animals were to be offered without spot or blemish. Yet in Malachi 1: 7-4 and 14 people were offering sacrifices to the Lord such as polluted bread, blind, lame, sick and corrupted animals.

These animals were part of the tithes that were supposed to have been brought to the altar as an offering to the Lord, but they robbed and dishonored God, by bringing the rejected animals as a tithe.

The fact now is that those animal tithes were from the Old Covenant where Israel was still under the law.

The fact is that if we were to tithe according to Malachi 3:10, we ought to offer animals as sacrifice on the altar to the Lord, something forbidden in the New Testament because the Lord Jesus was the final sacrifice.

Heb 10:1  For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

Heb 10:2  For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

Heb 10:3  But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

Heb 10:4  For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

Yes, your tithes will not take away sins, neither have you robbed God for not tithing, because the tithe of Malachi does not exist in the New Covenant. It was only applicable under the law in the Old Covenant.

Looking at the tithes again, we recall having four types;

The people were responsible for tithing towards:

1)    The Levites.

2)    The 3 annual Holy Days.

3)    The less fortunate.

The Levites had to tithe towards:

4)    The Zadokites or Temple priests.

Which of these tithes are applicable to this verse (Mal. 3: 10)? Let’s look at the big picture, what the rest of the Bible says.

Neh:10:38: And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites, when the Levites take tithes: and the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes unto the house of our God, to the chambers, into the treasure house.

Who shall bring up the tithe to the treasure house of God? THE LEVITES! Who was not paying the tithe to the treasure house of God? The Levites, NOT the people. Remember Ezekiel 34 – The leaders were feeding themselves fat, fleecing the sheep.

The people had paid the tenth of their blessing to the Levites, but the Levites were the ones who neglected to pay the tithe to the treasure house. The burden of the Levites, is being laid on the people once again.

The most expected answer you will get today is, that we are all kings and priests. Fair enough, but then the tithe should work both ways. Everyone should then suffer the same prosperity or poverty. Remember, a master is not above his servant and the servant not above his master. The clergy have become like the mafia, the untouchables, they even have bodyguards to protect them. Jesus did not act in this manner.

It is so unfortunate that the laity or the people are put under condemnation by the clergy, who say that it is the people “robbing God,” while they themselves are prospering materially. Once again – what does the Bible teach about the leaders?

1Tim:3:2: A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

1iTm:3:3: Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

MUST be of one wife? Are they?

MUST not given to filthy lucre? Are they?

Yet the people trust them. Hosea 4: 6 “My people perish, because of a lack of knowledge.”

By their fruits you will know them. If someone teaches anything contrary to the Scriptures, even an angel, it is Lucifer and his ministers masquerading as an angel of light.

Gal:1:8: But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

2Cor:11:14: And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

2Cor:11:15: Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

The roles are turned around. Instead of the shepherd looking after the well being of the flock, the flock is caring for the shepherd. The whole scenario is anti clockwise or anti Scriptural, therefore anti Christ.

The issues, which are mentioned in the Bible, in the days of the prophets in the Old Testament, happened to the Jews or Israel, it happened in Paul’s time during the early church period and is happening again today. Three times the same type of error – tithing.

Prophecy in the Bible tends to happen in repetitions of three’s in many cases. It is like the feasts of God to Israel, Passover pointing to the crucifixion of our Passover Lamb, Pentecost pointing to the outpouring of the Holy Spirit and Tabernacles pointing to us being united with God. Prophecy repeats itself until it reaches an ultimate fulfillment.

The money issue with the clergy is also an indication of a recurring prophecy, ultimately referring to the last days. The falseness of the prophets we are told, will take place in the latter days, as explained in Matthew 24, in the Olivet Discourse.

Then there are the following Scriptures also pointing to the state of the church in the final days, before the return of our Blessed Savior:

2Thess:2:3: Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

There will be PROSPERITY in the last days? No there will be a FALLING AWAY in the last days. Let no man tell you otherwise!! The Bible says so.

1Tim:4:1: Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

1Tim:4:2: Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

1Tim:4:3: Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

A time of seducing spirits, a time of lies, a time of hypocrisy, etc. The reply you will get here is “I serve a good God, He won’t allow this to happen to me, or to my church. Well then one had better tear out 2Thess. 2:11 where the Bible says this will happen. The way out is to study the Scriptures, to be faithful in the truth and read what will happen, because when God sends the lie you will be able to use the Word to show you the deception. The Bible will always discern for you.

2Tim:2:15: Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Heb:5:12: For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

Heb:5:13: For every one that useth milk is unskillful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

Heb:5:14: But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

Here are some more Scriptures concerning the last days.

2Tim:3:1: This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2Tim:3:2: For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

2Tim:3:3: Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

2Tim:3:4: Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

2Tim:3:5: Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

2Tim:3:6: For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

Covetous, boasters, lovers of themselves and pleasures, false accusers (of which the tithing, is one issue?) having a form of godliness. It looks like godliness, but isn’t.

Looking at Malachi 3 again in verse 3, we read that it is talking about the Levites. Another confirmation that chapter three is about the Levites and not the other tribes of Israel.

Mal:3:3: And he shall sit as a refiner and purifer of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.

Mal:3:5: And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.

God is warning the Levites that His judgment will come against those who rob the wage earners. The Levites are the problem, not the people.

The purpose of the Torah or the Old Testament is basically to point to the Messiah. The 10 Commandments or the Law of Moses have a specific purpose in doing just this. When one reads these commandments, it becomes clear that we can’t keep them; especially the last one and if you transgress on one you transgress all. These laws bring the death penalty, but Paul writes to us in Romans 8: 2, that through Jesus Christ the penalty for these transgressions are removed.

There are also other commandments of the Torah, which were removed by Jesus. An example of this is the sacrifice of animals, because He came and sacrificed Himself, shedding His blood once and for all. He became the ultimate sacrifice.

Heb:9:12: Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Heb:9:13: For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

Heb:10:4: For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

According to the book of Galatians we are told that, if you go under the law, you should keep the whole law. It is because of the impossibility to keep the law that it’s bondage is taken away by Jesus. His grace is sufficient and we are no longer under condemnation of the punishment of the Old Testament. Under the Old Covenant three thousand perished (Ex.32: 28), but under the New Covenant three thousand were saved (Act.2: 41). The main reason God gave the laws in the Torah was for the people to realize they needed a Saviour, thus preparing them for the coming of the Lord.

During the early church era, four things were to be done:

Act:15:20: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

  1. To abstain from idols
  2. To abstain from fornication
  3. To abstain from things killed cruelly
  4. To abstain from blood

Further on in the chapter, one reads about not having to keep the law of circumcision anymore. Nowhere does it say, that the law of the Torah is to be forced on the saved Gentiles or Christians and nowhere did forced tithing feature.

But what does Jesus say?

Luk:11:42: But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Jesus is not burdening the Pharisees with tithing here, what He is saying, is that their outward life is not portraying their inward life. They were doing these things to receive recognition from man. Jesus did not speak to His disciples here, but to the hypocritical Pharisees.

1.     New Testament Giving.

Luk:18:10: Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

Luk:18:11: The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

Luk:18:12: I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

Luk:18:13: And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

Luk:18:14: I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Who did Jesus have compassion on? The one who tithed or the one who acknowledged his weaknesses in all humility?

Tithes will not get you saved, nor will it ensure your entry into heaven. It is not the tithe but the attitude of the person. So if you tithe, either to be recognized by man, to be saved, or to receive something in return, please think again.

Mark:7:9: And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

Mark:7:10: For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:

Mark:7:11: But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.

Mark:7:12: And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;

Mark:7:13: Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

The word used for honor here in the Hebrew is “Kabad” and this verse points to the commandment in Ex. 20:12. Basically the word “Kabad” means to burden oneself with something and in this case your parents. It means that you have to take care of your parents when they grow old, just as they took care of you when you were a child. Another word used here is ”Honorarium” meaning the same as “Kabad”. This illustrates  the meaning of  the word “Corban” as used in Mark 7:11.

The core meaning of the Scriptures mentioned here; is to take care of your immediate family first.

The Pharisees side-stepped this Law, to sustain themselves (Mark 7:9), yet they said that one should care for one’s father and mother, so as not to be condemned (Mark7:10), but on the other hand the Pharisees said that if one did care for his parents it was “corban” and prohibited this action (Mark 7:11 – 12). This is exactly what religion does, it opposes itself always, and then it seems as if Scriptures contradicts itself.

Corban was used as an excuse not to for instance take care of your parents or other family members who were in need. When one tithed to the temple you would say “corban” and that would exempt you from the obligation of looking after your parents as is evident in Mark 7:9-13. This practice was obviously condemned by the Lord Jesus.

2Tim:2:25: In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

When you tithe to people in the “church” or organization  who enrich themselves like the Pharisees did, where the pastor is not equal or where he is above the flock, at the expense of your obligation to your family, it is not the wish of Jesus.

If the Holy Spirit explicitly prompts you to give, make sure it is the Holy Spirit and not someone psyching you up emotionally. There is a major difference between the voice of the Holy Spirit, which comes across gently, and being hyped up by emotional manipulation, which is nothing short of hypnotical witchcraft.

In Mark 7:9-13 Jesus is once again pointing out to the Pharisees that they are holding on to the religious tradition of their ancestors. We aught to remember, that the old law has passed and has made place for the new. Anyone quoting the Old Testament for gaining money, not taking the New Testament into consideration, should be seriously  questioned.

Always compare what you hear or read, to the Scriptures. If someone makes you feel guilty for them to benefit a tithe from you, it is exactly what the Pharisees did. In Romans 8 Paul mentions the burden of the Old Testament laws as:

Rom:8:1: There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Rom:8:2: For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

The Scriptures should judge for you and if anything crosses your path contrary to the Scriptures, it cannot be of the Spirit of God but something masquerading as godliness.

Don’t give as the widow gave, that which she could actually not afford, if those who are asking it, are not able and are not living as the widow.

Rom:12:1: I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2Cor:8:1: Moreover, brethren, we do you to wit of the grace of God bestowed on the churches of Macedonia;

2Cor:8:2: How that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded unto the riches of their liberality.

2Cor:8:3: For to their power, I bear record, yea, and beyond their power they were willing of themselves;

2Cor:8:4: Praying us with much intreaty that we would receive the gift, and take upon us the fellowship of the ministering to the saints.

2Cor:8:5: And this they did, not as we hoped, but first gave their own selves to the Lord, and unto us by the will of God.

Here we read that, the very first thing they gave for the service, was themselves, their bodies. In 2 Cor. 8:3 they also gave financially, more than they were able, although they suffered. In verse 5 we read that they did not give so much as Paul had hoped for, but they gave of their own accord.

The giving of money in the church must not be discouraged, but the forced giving where Scriptures are taken out of context and an expected return is preached, should be. The giving above ones means, is not the norm in Scriptures. It did happen occasionally, but not continually. Giving above one’s means should be Spirit lead and not initiated by means of bewitchment.

Gal:3:1: O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

Paul specifically points to being put under the law here, as being bewitched by someone. The word in the Greek for bewitched is “Baskaino” and means to be fascinated. Many things in “church” today are obtained through fascinations, which is nothing less than witchcraft. It is hypnotic suggestion, resulting in manipulation of the mind. People are fascinated by signs, wonders, gold dust, gold teeth and the promise to become a hundred times richer than the tithing they pledge to the “church”.

The New Testament talks about giving to the ministry, but according to your abilities. If you do have the ability to give, but rather spend it on material lusts and not towards the ministry, you should reconsider your actions in accordance with Scriptures.

Rom:12:4: For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:

Rom:12:5: So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

Rom:12:6: Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;

Rom:12:7: Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;

Rom:12:8: Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.

The gifts mentioned here are all different and in verse 8 we see those who have the gifting received from the Lord financially, are to give in simplicity, where the Greek word used for simplicity is, “Haplotes” meaning without self seeking or expecting a return but with sincerity, plentifully and faithfully.

If the Lord has given you a financial gifting and has blessed you financially, you should give plentifully, faithfully and without expecting a return. This blessing must be managed by you and should be directed to those in urgent need, not to those who fleece the flock. Remember that you have received the ability to give, as well as the responsibility to manage those finances. You are the steward of your money and nobody else. Give to those who are saved and towards the action of salvation through sound evangelism.

The Greek word used for gift in Rom. 8:6 is, “Charisma” derived from “Charis” which means grace. “Charisma” or gift, is as result of grace. It is because of God’s grace (Charis) that you have the gifting (Charisma), to apply the gifting given to you for the ministry. This gift is never to you, it is never to the person, but rather through the person to the church. God works through us, anything else is of the flesh and is demonic.

The gifting of financial benefit to the body must be towards the needs of the body, not to the wants. Anything more than need is greed.

A freewill offering is never wantonness or to want something or to expect something in return. To give of your first fruits is important. To give only 10% if you are able to give more, is not using God’s gift as intended. Always give as the Lord blesses you.

A person should not stop giving at all, because of all the wrong tithing preached today, but should rather take responsibility by discerning where one should channel your tithe to. When tithing and for that matter doing anything else, one should do it in accordance with Scriptural discernment.

2.        Some Handy Scriptures concerning money.

  • If this contradicts what you are being taught, remember it is man’s word against God’s Word.
  • It is more blessed to give to the weak, than to receive – Acts 20 :35
  • One should not be greedy for Money – Titus 1 : 7, Luke 12:15
  • People’s mouths must be stopped who teach for gain – Tit.1:11 (Today if you do this you are being judgmental – why? Because the church has lost its power.)
  • Gain is Godliness –  1Tim.6 :5-6
  • Make friends with Mammon – Luke 16: 9,11
  • Don’t worship Mammon & God – Luke 16: 13
  • Don’t divine for money in return for Scriptural teaching – Micah 3: 11,
  • Matt. 10: 8, 1Cor. 9: 18,
  • One should be content, not saying, gain is godliness. 1Tim. 6: 5 & 10
  • Do not buy God’s gifts e.g. the Holy Spirit – Acts 8 : 9 &18 – 19,  Is.55:1, 2Kngs. 5:16, Rev.22:17&19
  • Give to God according to your blessing – Deut. 16:9-10 &17
  • Covetousness isn’t Scriptural. – 1Tim.6: 10, 2 Pet. 2: 14; Ps. 10: 3, Luke 12: 14-15
  • Do not demand from God, we ask if it is His WILL. – James 4: 15-16;
  • Matt. 6: 9-10; 1John 5: 14, James 4:3; Gal. 1:4
  • Give in all eagerness – to the NEEDY – Acts 2 : 42-47 + 4 : 32-37
  • Wicked rulers and priests plead, teach and prophesy for money – Mic.3:11
  • The love of money is never satisfied – Eccl. 5:10
  • Money given to God, which is His? – Prov.3: 19, Deut.16: 9-10 & 17
  • Fleecing of the flock –  Ezekiel 34, Zech. 11:4-5

There are many, many more Scriptures to confirm that, the love, the teaching and the misuse of people in the church for money, is wicked and perverse.

3.      Conclusion.

  1. Tithing, like so many other things are misunderstood, because of a lack of knowledge of the Scriptures. Matt. 22:29
  2. Everything on Earth belongs to God, therefore you can’t give back to God, what already belongs to Him. Ps.24:1
  3. We need to use money for our needs and not our wants, the rest should go towards the needs of the ministry. 1Tim.6:6
  4. There were four types of tithing in the Old Testament:

a)    The tithe to the Levites. Deut.14: 27.

b)    The tithe toward the annual Holy Days. Deut. 14: 22 – 26.

c)    The tithe to the less fortunate. Deut.14: 28 – 29.

d)    The tithe of the Levites to the Zadokites. Neh.10: 38.

         5.   Misinterpretation of Scripture for tithes:

a)    Tithing by force is heavy shepherding and is condemned. 1Pet.5:2-3

b)    Is due to a lack of discernment of Scriptures. Matt.22:29 & Hos.4:6

c)     While preaching a prosperity gospel in these times, shouting peace, peace when there is no peace. Ezek. 13:10, Jer.6:14, Jer.8:11, Ezek.44, Judges 7, 1Thess.2:3, Rev6:4, Rev.13:4 Rev. 13:8,  saying the Lord is with them, Mic.3:11 is the gospel of 2Cor.11:4 & Gal.1:7-8.

d)    Lucifer and his ministers masquerading as righteousness, twist Scripture out of context, to preach another gospel. 2Cor.11: 14-15.

e)    These are signs of an apostate church in the last days. 2Thess.2:3, 1Tim.4, 2Tim.3.

f)     Man will be disillusioned.

  • Because the shepherds do not feed the flock correct doctrine. 1Tim.4:1
  • Because man does not know the Scriptures. Hos.4:6 & Matt22:29.
  • The solution is to study. 2Tim.2:15

g)    Malachi 3 :10 is twisted out of its original context to suit the “clergy,” but was meant for the clergy, by the Levites. Mal.3:3 Neh.10:38

h)    Malachi 3 has to be taken into context with the other chapters in Malachi. The tithes in Malachi were sacrifices to be made on the altar and the priests were robbing God by bringing unhealthy animals with faults to be sacrificed on the altar. These animal sacrifices are no longer wanted by God in the New Testament anyway and this will include Malachi 3. (Hebrews 10:1-4)

         6.   New Testament giving

a)    Tithes are works and will not save you. Luk.18:10 – 14

b)    The “clergy” will put pressure onto you, contradictory to the Scriptures and to the detriment of your family obligations, to gain finances from you. Mark 7:9 – 12

c)    One should discern between Old Testament and New Testament commandments. Rom.8. There is no more condemnation from the Old Law or the Old Testament.

d)    New Testament “tithing” is a free will giving, but not at the expense of your obligation to care for your own family. The first giving is your body, then finances, sometimes more than you are able occasionally, but never continually. 2Cor.8:1 – 5

e)    One must give according to one’s blessings, as received through God’s grace. Rom.12: 4 – 8. Some have more, others less, others nothing. Those who have, should give. Supporting the church is supporting one another.

I realize the reaction I might get from this, but as Paul said:

Gal. 4:16: Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

Acts 20:31: Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

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79 comments to Tithing – Are you really robbing God if you don’t?

  • Casper Venter


    Thanks very much for this! I have been battling of tithing and to get to the truth about it all!

    Thanks Again


  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Awesome Casper!

  • Andries Christian

    Thank you Chris – this is a wonderful piece. Very technical – though thoroughly thought through.

    I am convinced that this practice is really causing the body much more harm than we can fathom at present.

    The practice of tithing essentially makes it possible for Christians (often misguided) that feel Gods call on their life to start a church with as little as 6 members supporting them by tithing. Major Church groups support this as a “new way of distributing the gospel” – the next wave of missionary expansion. This is hugely problematic.

    Where I live, there are so many small (and well meaning – mostly) churches that are on life support due to no one pulling the plug on the pastor and tithing. However – it is causing the true universal church (the complete body I mean) much harm due to splits and all kinds of un-debated false doctrines flowing in. Yet these Churches can continue to function mostly autonomously (and accordingly open to much error) due to the financial stability provided by the tithe.

    What I enjoy about your piece is the balance that it brings around the responsibility of the believer to administer his finances well. I especially think that the balance of the Apostle Paul is needed with church leaders. Paul chooses not to take finances from the church in Corinth even though he is fully entitled to do so. (1 Cor 9) That message is needed today.

  • Rich

    It’s interesting that Matthew 23:23 was left out. Everyone that reads this article, please read Matthew 23:23.

  • Warren

    Rich wrote:

    It’s interesting that Matthew 23:23 was left out. Everyone that reads this article, please read Matthew 23:23.

    We have been set free from the curse of the Law, and tithing was part of that ceremonial Law. Did it occur to you that Christ was speaking to those under the Law?

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Thanks Warren.

  • Burning Lamp

    It is true that we are not under Law. However, we can’t toss out the OT as it is God’s Word. If we do not give God a portion of what He has blessed us with to further His work we are dishonoring Him. Exactly what that portion is, is between each believer and the Lord. One who uses the 10% as a sort of baseline and does not do it legalistically but rather joyfully out of love for the Lord will often go beyond that – whether it is on the gross or the net or whether one at times gives more as one is able is not giving out of obligation, but rather out of a response to the Holy Spirit. One who gives out of one’s heart seeks no reward, but seeks to glorify the Lord.

    There are those who truly cannot give anything, but they can give their time and their actions and their prayers. On the other hand there are those who could give but are not correctly taught and spend unwisely.

    Everything we have belongs to the Lord. To not have a desire to give to His work or to those in genuine need is a sign of a spiritual problem.

    There are those (not meaning this article) who cast the baby out with the bath and often this results in giving stingily or very little to the Lord’s work. The Bible says to give, but often man’s flesh says to hang onto our money out of one reason or another which in truth, negates faith in our Lord and His provision. The aim of giving should be out of a heart of gratitude and an attitude of sacrifice to serve others. But we are to give. It seems to me that the culprit is not the tithe itself, but rather improper teaching regarding giving.

  • Burning Lamp

    I might add that the heavy hand of “clergy” in the area of mandatory tithing is one of the earmarks of a cult such as Mormonism. It also smacks of legalism in some fundamental circles which is all about control, human control which is not what the Lord wants. It leads to pride as to what one gives, it also rules out any role of the Holy Spirit. It is no one’s business what another gives and churches that preach biblical giving respect the anonymonity of the giver. The pastoral staff should not know what people give lest they curry favor to generous givers.

    We cannot outgive God, but we should not give to get as the properity teachers purport, lowering giving to God to the level of investing for profit. That is an insult to the Lord.

    The principle of godly giving supercedes any OT examples except to demonstrate the difference – one was under Law and one is under Grace.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)


    >> There are those who truly cannot give anything, but they can give their time and their actions and their prayers.

    You have a very good point there.

  • Warren

    Burning Lamp – I agree with what you are saying, but I should have said more in my comment. Yes, the old testament is still scripture, but so many people hang on to ceremonial Law (the 633 or so little laws in Exodus, Leviticus, and Dueteronomy etc… )when in fact Paul spoke very plainly in Galations that we are not to hold to these Laws (these Laws are a shadow of things to come). Also, one cannot hold to one Law such as tithing and not practice the rest. Dont forget about the issue that was raised when the apostles met in Jerusalem over the matter where Jewish converts were forcing the gentile converts to be circumcised and the conclusion reached by the apostles (Acts 15 v 1 – 31).

    I have seen some churches push this tithing thing so far, that it almost comes down to the only time they actually preach condemnation, and that so that they have money to spend on things that dont really count (huge buildings with water and electricity charges that are through the roof, and on their lifestyles, etc…) whereas I do believe that we need to be generous for God has shown us generosity through Jesus coming to serve us, and giving His life as a sacrifice for our sins, and that money should be used to benifit the orphans, true widows, as well as furthering the gospel.

    The issue I have with tithing is that it is used as a tool to manipulate people. Churches seldom preach the message of salvation in a clear manner ( and I dont mean alter calls, as personally i do not agree with this since people sometimes do not understand fully what is going on and turn back to their old lifestyles . But the tithing and the curses that follow are preached to the point of overkill sometimes.

    I do apologise that my last comment was short, I should have clarified what I meant to say.

    Burning Lamp – I definitely agree with you, throwing out the baby with the bathwater is also wrong, since the new testament speaks often about generous gifts to those who NEED it.

  • estelle

    I believe the church is robbing us of our induvidual blessings,I believe we should be a blessing to each other,we are our brother’s keeper.our storehouse should be full,If we give, God opens the windows for us,this is when we lending to God, by giving to those in our portals.It is giving to the poor ,the widow,the orphan and the stranger,It is also the 4 overcoming spirits that we need to overcome ourselves. We have to become overcomers of all negative things in our lives.I have always had this feeling in my spirit about tithing to the church and when someone knocks on my door and i dont have I am in a crises because i had to turn someone away.I would love to hear your opinion about it. love and peace.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)


    I am a bit confused at your comment (maybe because I have a massive headache today and dunno whether I am coming or going…) but for instance what do you mean by… “It is also the 4 overcoming spirits that we need to overcome ourselves.”?

  • Redeemed

    I don’t quite understand either Estelle. We don’t “lend” to God, we GIVE to Him a portion of what He has supplied. It ALL belongs to Him, but we should set aside a portion of what He has provided to return back for His work and to help others.

  • Helen

    I don’t tithe money not anymore to church (The building), I tithed 10 percent each sunday beleiving my money would get better, it didn’t. Cos it doesn’t work! What does work, is tithing a small amount to a friend (What church truly is)in tightening the belt situation herself, for petrol money and Thank God my money hasn’t sunk so it has run out! As it was before. THAT works. (I do keep to a tight budget) I tithe to church (building)my time and energy instead.

  • Great article!

    Tithing was only food and livestock and it never referred to earned income.

    The break down total of all three tithes: 20% over a 7-year period / 23.3% over a 6 year period are given below:

    Year 1 = 10% (Tithe #1) + 10% (Tithe #2) = 20%
    Year 2 = 10% (Tithe #1) + 10% (Tithe #2) = 20%
    Year 3 = 10% (Tithe #1) + 10% (Tithe #2) + 10% (Tithe #3) = 30%
    Year 4 = 10% (Tithe #1) + 10% (Tithe #2) = 20%
    Year 5 = 10% (Tithe #1) + 10% (Tithe #2) = 20%
    Year 6 = 10% (Tithe #1) + 10% (Tithe #2) + 10% (Tithe #3) = 30%

    Year 7 = 0% – the seventh year land Sabbath (Exodus 23:10-11, Leviticus 25:20-22 and Deuteronomy 31:10-13) – Shmita (Hebrew: שמיטה, literally “release”), also called the Sabbatical Year, is the seventh year of the seven-year agricultural cycle mandated by the Torah for the Land of Israel.

    140% / 7 = 20% – in 7 years

    140% / 6 = 23.3 % – in 6 years

    Also the early church had five fold ministries and how can a single Pastor collect the whole tithe?

    Matthew 23:23

    Tithing was not the primary subject in Matt 23:23 / Luke 11:42
    During the time of Jesus all 3 tithes were practiced as recorded by Flavius Josephus, Apocryphal book of Tobit, Church fathers Jerome and Chrisostam (extra Biblical proofs for 3 tithes)

    -Tithing Study

  • Martin Horan

    A really excellent study!
    I loved every bit of it because my wife and I were members of the Armstrongite cult for about 20 years. We had Malachi 3:8-9 hammered into us.
    No wonder the ministry had such great lifestyles!
    And though I’ve known for some time that it is neither biblical nor logical to follow tithing rules, I have still had a bit of a guilt trip for not tithing. This is in spite of the fact that we left the Worldwide Church of God in the mid nineties or thereabouts.
    This amazing study has truly driven the point home to me. I will re-read it a few times. It is incredibly encouraging. I have just said a prayer for it that it may bless many others.
    It is surprising how many intelligent and well-educated people get involved in cults and a lot of the other flaky doctrines out there. I myself never cease to be amazed that I fell for such junk. But it happens all the time. This whole blog is incredible and there is much to thank you for on it; and there is much on it which will be delivering folk from false teaching. But I thank you again for the tithing teaching. I’m fairly sure my guilt trips will now disappear.

  • harry

    Thank you great lesson here hope pastors all over can read it.

  • w

    The early church did not tithe, they had all things in common. Scripture says, as a man determines in his heart so let him give. I attended a church where the people were told, IF you do not tithe to this church, you are not welcome here. I had heard all my life people say, I do not go to church because all they want is my money. I always answered that is no true. You need salvation. You need to hear the Word. This pastor just proved this church was all about money. We are to give gifts and offerings. Many churches no longer accept tithes, they were shocked that they income increased. While attending this church there was a woman whose husband had run off with a younger woman leaving his wife and children destitute. She worked babysitting to support herself and her children. The Lord spoke to me to buy her food that she may have food in her storehouse, the Temple was within her. I have seen widows and the poor do without to pay their ten percent. The church is not the Temple today, there is no Temple/Levite priest to collect the tithe. We are not under the Old Law. People do not know the Word, that Mal 3 is not speaking to us today. Yeshua/Jesus is our High Priest today. I have seen senior pastors live very well while the others on their staff nearly starved, many quit the ministry. I am grateful many are teaching the many say give me your money and God will bless you for giving to me, they buy planes, mansions and live having millions and claim it is what God wants. No, it is what they want. The giving to get is the norm in the so called Church these days. Many have heard this msg but few believe it. All did not tithe in the O.T., it was about produce and not money. Scripture says my people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge, ignorance of the Word. Ministers teach what they were taught and bring forward the old law for people to keep. Thank you for this article.

  • dboy

    The apostolic movement talk about , Tithing,Offerings and Firstfruits. Firstfruits and tithes go to the “SET MAN” as he is a distributor of the bread and wine. He is the Melchiezedek??

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)


    >> The apostolic movement talk about , Tithing,Offerings and Firstfruits. Firstfruits and tithes go to the “SET MAN” as he is a distributor of the bread and wine. He is the Melchiezedek??

    SET MAN? What the? Anyhow…are you asking or telling us? If you are asking us the answer is no, if you are telling us, the answer is still no. Read the Article PLEASE :)

  • John

    First a few principles that need to be understood…………

    Malachi 3:6a “For I am the Lord, I change not”

    Hebrews 13:8 “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”

    Matthew 5:17 Jesus says “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil”

    It has been argued that tithing is not a part of the New Testament. I believe that it is and that it is just as important today as it was in the Old Testament. It reveals where our heart is. I believe that studies such as this one is an attempt to worship Mammon and excuse themselves from the responsibility God has given to us as stewards of His possessions. I’m not going to give an in depth study, one for times sake, two because in this setting it would be pointless, and three I’m tired and have a massive headache. So I’ll keep it brief.

    As mentioned God never changes. His attitude towards us has not changed. His attitude towards sin has not changed. His expectations for us concerning the Law has not changed. Let me say that again. His expectations for us concerning the Law has not changed…..Blasphemy you say. We’re saved by grace..etc..etc…blah, blah, blah. What did Jesus say……I did not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it. When Jesus died, did the 10 commandments all of a sudden disappear? Is it now ok to commit adultery? Murder? Covet? No. What did Paul say….Should we sin that Grace may abound? Of course not. What is sin? It is lawlessness. What is Lawlessness? It is the violation of the law. Without the law there is no sin, yet we are exhorted by Paul and the other writers not to sin. Therefore the law still exists and we are expected to keep it. All throughout the New Testament we are commanded not to sin. How can we sin if there is no law to break? You say the law exists but because of Jesus we are not under the law, but grace….Think about that statement. What is Paul talking about when he said this? Is it not salvation and the atonement already made for our sins? Would you be so foolish to think that God’s standard of living for our lives no longer exists? If nothing else, it exists in the Person of Jesus Christ….LOL What are we to do concerning Him? Are we not told to imitate Him? Are we not told to imitate Paul? DID THEY TITHE? If Jesus lives in you, then you should want to keep the law because it pleases Him. The only portions of the law that we are not to keep are the sacrificial portions. Why? Jesus fulfilled them. This isn’t legalism, this is OBEDIENCE TO GOD and His commands for our life. The truth of this is seen in the Sermon on the Mount. Jesus reiterates to keep the Law and ADDS TO IT! Under grace carries more responsibility than the law…For example Adultery is no longer just sleeping with a married woman. Now you only have to look upon her with lust to be guilty. Murder is no longer physically killing a person, now it is hatred…You see the increase in responsibility? Every time Paul addresses the law, he’s talking about trusting it for salvation instead of Jesus. The law shows us our sinfulness. It keeps us humble. The Pharisees misunderstood this as well, which is why Jesus said I didn’t come to abolishi it, but to fulfill it. Big difference. That understood….

    Tithing is not legalism, it is an act of worship. It is obedience to God. We are commanded to tithe Prov 3:9 “Honour the Lord with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase”, and if we don’t we are “robbing” God Mal 3:8. You say that was for the Priests….Who does Peter say that we are? 1 Pet 2:9 says we are a royal priesthood with Jesus as our High Priest. Spin it how you want, but that is the bottom line. Thus we should be obedient and BRING our tithe. The statement was made that they tithed with animals not money so it doesn’t apply….You need to understand that their flocks determined their wealth. They were to tithe with the firstfuits (that means gross) of all their increase (that includes money). You say THAT’S OLD TESTAMENT. Fine look at the New Testament….Hebrews 7. This scripture was used earlier in this post using only verse 12. But it was used in error. The context of the entire chapter points to Jesus as our High Priest and compares Him to Melchizadek whom Abraham paid tithes to. So does this abolish the tithe? Absolutely not, it establishes Jesus as the High Priest to whom our tithe is paid. Who is Jesus, is he not the Head of the Church? Eph 1:22-23 says that He is head of the church which is His body. Now you can argue that the church is not a building, etc…..You would be correct only that when you give your tithe, you are not giving to a building, you are giving to support the work of the church which are the people who happen to assemble in a building. Who supported Paul’s ministry? Was it not the church? You say that was a separate “love” offering….You can spin 2 Cor 9 however you want to. The bottom line is that tithing in the New Testament was not done away with. Paul was not speaking of tithes there. It was ALREADY UNDERSTOOD to the readers that you were to tithe. It was part of their culture and NOT ONE of the New Testament writers condemned it or corrected any church for doing it. If nothing else Hebrews confirms we are to tithe to our High Priest Jesus.

    Bottom Line, God doesn’t change. His expectations haven’t changed. Why do we keep trying to say that they have? God has commanded us to tithe. We should be obedient and do so.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)


    You clearly DIDN’T READ THE ARTICLE! And go ahead with your OWN OPINION anyhow.

  • John

    [delete – I don’t want your false teaching on this website]

  • John

    Furthermore, tithing is God’s provision for the church and it’s ministries. With this line of thinking, it’s no wonder that churches are struggling to keep their heads above water.

    [edited by DTW – LOL, maybe if you behaved like the disciples did in the bible who hardly had anything to their name, no home, no clothes, beaten, to preach the gospel, then you will realise ‘YOUR BUSINESS’ in making money is UNGODLY]

  • John

    [deleted – sorry I don’t want your false teaching on this website – I’ve given you the truth – this website is NOT run like a democrasy]

  • Pietie

    Luke 16:9

    And I say to you, make friends for yourselves by unrighteous mammon , that when you fail, they may receive you into an everlasting home.

    These were the words of Jesus.

    What does it really mean:

    It means that by giving money to the church which is the body of Christ you will make friends in heaven. For with the money you have given, people got saved through Jesus. The money is used to build the building and the maintenance, to feed the pastors and there families, for feeding scemes, for outreach to the poor. To pay the bills. To purchase equipment. You got saved because someone invited you to a church and you accepted Jesus as your Saviour. Would there have been an church if people did not tithe? In the new Testament the saved people sold all that they had and gave all to the church.

    Acts 2:45 and sold their posessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need.

    If you are not under the law anymore is it therefor okey to murder?

    Matt 2:21-22 You have heard that it was said to those of old, You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgement. But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgement. And whoever says to his brother, Raca! shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, You fool! shall be in danger of hell fire.

    Tithing is a test.

    We should do more than Tithe, we must also offer additional money.

    Matt 6:21 For where you treasure is, there your heart will be also.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)


    Luke 16:9

    And I say to you, make friends for yourselves by unrighteous mammon , that when you fail, they may receive you into an everlasting home.

    These were the words of Jesus.

    What does it really mean:

    It means that by giving money to the church which is the body of Christ you will make friends in heaven. For with the money you have given, people got saved through Jesus. The money is used to build the building and the maintenance, to feed the pastors and there families, for feeding scemes, for outreach to the poor. To pay the bills. To purchase equipment. You got saved because someone invited you to a church and you accepted Jesus as your Saviour. Would there have been an church if people did not tithe? In the new Testament the saved people sold all that they had and gave all to the church.


    Instead of giving to churches, you can give directly to the poor, or directly to a missionary of your choice, or you can give to a Christian organisation of your choice. You do not have to be bullied into giving tithing to a pastor who does not even preach the gospel, just so he can feather his own nest.

    Luke 16:9 To illustrate. Suppose the Lord Jesus has entrusted an amount of money to you, and you say, “God has given me this money. I am going to give a certain portion of it to help send the gospel to heathen lands.” And you contribute regularly to some missionary, and because of your support that missionary is enabled to go forth and present the gospel to lost souls. Here on earth you may never see those who have been won through that missionary’s efforts; but by-and-by, when you leave this scene and go home to heaven; you will find there those who will greet you with gladness as they say, “It was your money that enabled the teacher to come to me and to lead me out of the darkness of heathenism into the light of the gospel of Christ. We have been waiting here to welcome you into these everlasting habitations and to tell you how grateful we are to you for the interest which you took in us!” You can apply the principle in a thousand ways. You may use some of your money to help a poor, needy brother or sister, or to assist some underprivileged children. Your kindness and goodness to them may never be fully appreciated or recognized here on earth, but the day will come, if they are in Christ, when they will meet you in yonder land and express their gratitude to you for the way in which you used the mammon of unrighteousness. — Dr Henry Ironside

    If you are not under the law anymore is it therefor okey to murder?

    Now that is just silly, do you not know that…

    Matthew 5:17 Jesus said, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.”

    Hebrews 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

    Jesus fulfills the law and has written it into my heart. I GIVE (Grace) I do not TITHE (Law)

    You are under LAW – You are cursed.

    Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

  • Pietie

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  • Pietie

    Even before the law, Moses gave a tithe to Melchizedek. So Tithing was even done before the law

    Genesis 14: 18-20
    18Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was the priest of God Most High. 19And he blessed him and said:
    “Blessed be Abram of God Most High,
    Possessor of heaven and earth;
    20And blessed be God Most High,
    Who has delivered your enemies into your hand.”
    And he gave him a tithe of all.

    In stead of deleting this section again as false doctrine because you cannot proove the verse wrong, read it again and ask the Holy Spirit for understanding

    Blessings to you

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)


    This situation was exactly the same situation as when Abraham tithes THE SPOILS OF WAR to God for saving them – the BLESSES GOD.

    Genesis 14:14-20
    14 When Abram heard that his nephew had been taken captive, he mobilized his 318 trained men who had been born in his household, and he pursued the invaders as far as Dan.
    15 Then, during the night, Abram divided his forces against them and defeated them. He chased them as far as Hobah, which is north of Damascus.
    16 He retrieved all the stolen property. He also brought back his nephew Lot and his possessions, as well as the women and the rest of the people.
    17 After Abram returned from defeating Kedorlaomer and the kings who were with him, the king of Sodom went out to meet Abram in the Valley of Shaveh (known as the King’s Valley).
    18 Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. (Now he was the priest of the Most High God.)
    19 He blessed Abram, saying, ​​​​​​“Blessed be Abram by the Most High God, ​​​​​​Creator of heaven and earth.
    20 ​​​​​​​Worthy of praise is the Most High God, ​​​​​​who delivered your enemies into your hand.” Abram gave Melchizedek a tenth of everything.

    This was done ONCE by Abraham, this was done because God saved them out of a war.

    Are you tithing because you are blessing God because with SPOILS FROM A WAR? No YOU ARE NOT!


    This is what it says in the article…

    People bent on tithing will also quote:

    Gen:14:18: And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the highest God.

    Gen:14:19: And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:

    Gen: 14:20: And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

    This is to “prove” that tithing was established before the time of Moses, the Torah or law and that tithes have to be given to the priest. To find out what the Melchizedek tithe meant one has to not only read this passage, but also read on to verses 22 & 23.

    From verse 18 – 20 it is clear that this was not Abraham’s belongings which was tithed, but rather the booty or loot he had gathered from conquering the enemy.

    Gen:14:22: And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,

    Gen:14:23: That I will not take from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:

    Although he gave away 10% of the booty, he stated that he did not even want any of it, because it was not his.

    It is also interesting to note that this was a ONCE OFF event, which never took place again.

  • John

    If you are not under the law anymore is it therefor okey to murder? – (Pietie)
    Now that is just silly, do you not know that… Deborah’s response

    To Deborah, so what you are saying is that we have to keep a portion of the law but not all of it? You’re talking from both sides of your mouth. You must be consistent in your teaching if you want to maintain credibility. You are not consistent.

    Tithing was part of the law…you said God writes the law in our heart yet “TITHING IS WRONG”. I’m confused. If tithing is part of the law and God writes that law in our heart, how is tithing wrong?

  • John

    [deleted – please stop spamming this blog with false teaching – I have blocked you from commenting. If you want to follow the LAW, by all means do so but do not force other too. Are you sure you are not a pastor (a youth pastor by any chance?) – Pastors are notorious as the love to force people into BONDAGE by means of tithing. You will twist the scriptures to no ends to get money! Woe to you. ]

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)


    Tithing was part of the law…you said God writes the law in our heart yet “TITHING IS WRONG”. I’m confused. If tithing is part of the law and God writes that law in our heart, how is tithing wrong?

    10 Commandments was the discussion John. Does tithing form part of the 10 commandments? I must be losing it if you say yes.

    If tithing is written into your heart (supposedly) then I assume all other 613 JEWISH LAWS ARE WRITTEN THERE AS WELL and you keep them like clock work. I hope so for your sake MR LAW ABIDING citizen.

  • Andy

    That’s the issue. If a person wants to tithe, it can’t be money. It has to be spices and other things as the law said. And with that part of the law, they must keep the rest of the law in sinless perfection.

    As for me, I’ll be under grace, and give offerings in money of whatever I choose to give or not give.

  • Redeemed

    Not being under Law does not negate setting aside a portion of our increase for the Lord what ever we choose to call it. The greater guiding principle is that we are not under obligation to do so. We should WANT to do so because we LOVE the Lord and it should give us great JOY to participate in the work of the Lord as that should be a desire of a heart that has been born-again.

    God is a God of order. What too often can happen is that if there is not a PLAN, giving to the Lord’s work can go by the wayside and the monies are all eaten up with bills and other expenses. If we budget for food, rent and other things and neglect to budget for the Lord, what does that say about us as believers?

    The main thing is that God is a PRIORITY in our lives and often one of the last areas people are willing to relinquish is finances. Haphazard giving, tossing a few bucks in the offering plate or box or dashing off a check in haste do not reflect thoughtful consideration and leading of the Holy Spirit.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)


    John and Pietie wont be happy with that answer, they want you UNDER LAW.

  • Colin Ford

    We all know that No man can keep the law, if he could he would be perfect! He would not need a Saviour!
    The law is the way of life, NOT the way to life!
    The ceremonial/priestly law was abolished when the Saviour was crucified on the cross, NOT the moral law. The moral law is binding on all believers,this is the law that is written on our hearts; Hebrews 8.10.
    The moral law, being the ten commandments are the believers way of life, NOT to life.
    Tithing was an OT law that was relevant when the temple was standing.
    However I have yet to meet a Churchman,Reverend,Pastor who is part of any form of organized religion that teaches against tithing!
    ‘God loveth a cheerful giver’ 2 Corinthians 9.7.

  • Redeemed

    Why is it that folks like John and Pietie just can’t seem to understand the difference between serving God out of a heart motivated by LOVE and serving Him out of obligation and through gritted teeth? The letter of the Law kills while grace produces peace and joy. I would much rather have the latter. It is a PRIVILEGE to give to the Lord. And I have found over many years that you just can’t outgive God. This is not prosperity piffle, it is the law of sowing and reaping. We don’t give in order to get if our hearts are right.
    John and Pietie are robbing themselves of a blessing!

  • Robbie


    I think two reasons and it is either.

    1. I am God and determine my own destination or…
    2. I pay pastors to read the Word for me

    We need to go on to maturity

    ‘5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,’ (Hebrews 5:14 – 6:1)

  • Pietie

    Hi There

    Look, you do not have to tithe to get to heaven. But tithing is biblicle and why does Jesus say that we must still tithe. Matt 23:23

    If we want our money to be blessed then we need to tithe. Mal 3:8-10

    If we want more souls to be saved then we need to tithe and offer. Luke 16:9

    Yes Jesus has fulfilled the law for us and not through our own works but through Jesus do we have salvation.

    We still need to live holy lives: Gal 5:16-26 Gal 6:6-10 1Cor 5:9-11 Rom 6:11-23

    But if you want the church of Jesus to grow through souls that are saved and if you want your money to be blessed then you need to tithe as least. Tithing is the minimum requirement.

    Then again, I can preach tithing, because I tithe, and since I have been tithing the rest of my finances are blessed. Now I cannot afford not to tithe, its the best payment I do because I know that more souls will be saved because i gave.

    Bless you all.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)


    Let me explain this verse to you properly…

    Matthew 23:23
    23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

    FIRSTLY: Tithing was only food and livestock and it never referred to earned income.

    Verse explanation: To tithe even the cheapest of herbs was no problem, but to add special emphasis upon this and advertise it as though indicating something remarkably conscientious, while neglecting matters of far greater importance, indicated a conscience that was out of touch with reality and a spirit that was not subject to God. Jesus would have those who professed obedience to His law to be careful when exercising discernment, justice, mercy and faith. He who is conscientious and spirit led, will not neglect these things either.

    This kinda sounds like those people crying foul on this blog, stressing that they pay their tithes just so that they can have their finances blessed. Or pay their tithes and therefore think they think they more special than the next person. Or make sure they pay more than the person next to them thinking God will favour them more more than the person next to them.

    No amount of money funneled into a church that is preaching false teaching is going to save souls – you’re only aiding and abetting the growth of false teachers.

    Is this a tithing verse for the Christian church? NO! At that stage they were still under Law.

  • Truthful Conversation

    We had the ‘usual’ tithing sermons with all the guilt associated, at the large evangelical church that I attended in Cape Town. This church grew extremely quickly and of course it was due to all the people that attended and tithed their 10 (and plus) per cent. The founding pastor drove a smart car and had a big house in a rich part of Cape Town, and he was always dressed immaculately. A huge building was purchased to accommodate the growing number and the aforesaid pastor travelled overseas quite frequently.

    I believed whatever I was told about tithing, after all, these men of God were awesome, and they seemed so blessed financially! The ‘basket’ was always passed around at services (many baskets actually) and it overflowed. We had a special service one sunday when we were asked to give until it was painful. I placed my gold, ruby and diamond ring (bought for me by my mum after my father died), and my gold bracelet ( a birthday present from my mum-in-law) gleefully into the basket and praised the Lord.

    I just want to say at this point that I have no problem with tithing, my problem is with the church and leaders who brainwash their flock into tithing, and tithing more than many people can afford to tithe. I personally trusted the Lord to help my husband and myself through our financial problems by tithing, not to make us wealthy. The Lord did come through for us, but I realise later that He did so because He loved me, over and above what I gave to Him. God knew what I was being taught and that I was deceived. I also believe that He saw that I gave with joy.

    At this point, I had also been introduced into the Word Faith doctrine, so I was even more convinced that I needed to tithe. My church had a bible school and my husband and myself attended for two years (also under duress). We paid alot of money for bible school ( and I learned alot of rubbish!). In fact many ‘opportunities’ were offered to the congregation continuously..seminars, ladies, mens, ladies tea functions, leadership courses, marriage courses..and all at a hefty price.

    The Lord has helped me immeasurably since I moved to the UK nine years ago. I have battled financially and in other ways too, and He has always seen me through. I have not attended a church and not tithed. At one stage I supported a little girl in India until it became too expensive. I have recently had my income cut by half and although it is concerning, I know the Lord will see me through again.

    If I reach a point where I can give to the Lord financially again, I will do so. Until then, I will give how and where I can.

  • Esi Mankartah

    Hi Deborah, I find your discussions on tithing an interesting read. Good work! I would like to share another interesting view on why right giving may be more important than just simply tithing today.
    There were specific instructions on tithing, how to give it, who was authorized to receive it (Levites). If we are not in the temple era then we should be rather doing what the early apostles did. Acts 4:32 – 35 may seem intense but it demonstrates exactly what money and possessions given to the church is to be mainly used for, which is meeting the needs of the brethren without any discrimination. The story of Ananias demonstrates that no one is under compulsion but as each of us it to give as we purpose in our hearts. If we rather give hypocritically, such as portraying that what we give is a tenth of our income when it is not, we lie to the Holy Spirit.
    I had an interesting conversation with a believer friend about why we need to give, and here I am not trying to be scholarly or politically correct.
    The train of thought is this; before Adam sinned in the garden he was a living soul made up of spirit, soul and body. In God’s likeness he could walk with God as a spirit being and connect to his environment through the spirit. When he sinned, his spirit died and his body became the means of communicating with his environment, then he saw through his body’s (natural)eyes for the first time.
    The work of Jesus was to restore us to that original state and to do that,
    our spirits had to be born again. Jesus said we should let our light shine referring to our spirits growing stronger and brighter as God is light. Like Adam we are now to walk by the spirit, discern by the spirit and not walk by our natural sight, 2 Cor 5:7.

    Our souls are fattened through giving, which is also how God expressed his love for us in giving his son. In Ps 106:15 shows how the soul grows lean and Prov 11:25 says the liberal soul shall be made fat.
    Our bodies are to be brought under subjection through fasting and refraining from satisfying the lusts of the flesh. Paul says in Gal 5:24 that we are to crucify the flesh along with its lusts, since this flesh is under a curse and will be put away when we finally put on immortality.

    1. Jesus asked us clearly to do three things regularly in Matt 6 Give, pray and fast.

    Giving is to strengthen our soul
    Praying is to communicate with God
    Fasting is to bring our bodies and fleshly desires under subjection.
    This is in line with the work of redemption and restoration of the master, and giving plays a major role in it.

    2. If our objective is to do what Jesus will require of us in Matt 25;32 – 46. It will guide our giving. Not to please a pastor, but the master. If we give in our churches and turn a blind eye to the practice of Acts 4:35 we may be passively fueling the neglect of the needs of the “least of our brethren”. Obeying Matt 25:32 is clearly in the Lords agenda for rewarding his church.
    3. Jesus in speaking about tithing also said in Mat 23:23, (cited by Rich) that the weightier matters of judgment, mercy, and faith were omitted in the issue of tithing, under the law. What the teachers of the law would not do then was judge fairly, they were critical, fault finders, were unmerciful and shut up their bowels of compassion towards widows, orphans and the needy and unbelieving.
    4. Some of the vices; jealousy, covetousness, envy, malice etc., that may plague believers in Rom 1: 29 could be subdued by a liberal spirit, Estelle’s comment about “It is also the 4 overcoming spirits that we need to overcome ourselves could well be linked to a giving and liberal spirit.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)


    Interesting that you don’t mention repentance of sin. To most ‘believers’ “giving” has become a way of trying to covering up those vices that plague believers.

    There is NO CHURCH today that behaves at Acts 4:32–35 because they are all WICKED to the bone.

    People need to repent of their sin first and get their lives right with God before they think about giving their money away with ultimately becomes nothing but good works.

  • Esi

    Hi Deborah,
    Thanks for your comments. I sort of assumed salvation through the blood, repentance from sin,baptism and infilling of the HS etc as outlined in Hebr 6:1,2 as foundations to our walk in Christ.
    A question; what must we strive for in the area of good works looking at Mat 5:16,Rev 14:13 and Mat 25:32 -46.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)


    >> A question; what must we strive for in the area of good works looking at Mat 5:16,Rev 14:13 and Mat 25:32 -46.

    Whatever the Holy Spirit wants you to do, not what you think will please God. The greatest commandment was to preach the gospel, but in order to do that you need to know the truth! So first things first, make sure you know the gospel before you go out and feed someone, there is no point in giving them bread but you don’t give them the GOSPEL which is the REAL FOOD for their souls. There are many ‘professing’ Christians doing ‘good works’ but they have no relationship with Jesus Christ – they do these good works because they think they are appeasing God and it will get them into heaven, but they live sinful lives.

  • daniel

    hello again… can you email me this letter or letters
    i listed what im asking about below taking from above

    In my possession I have an e-mail of an ex-charismatic senior pastor of Rhema ,who calls the “prospering church” he belonged to “The seat of Satan”

    i wnat to read that email plz… if you can please..
    i came out of the WOF and when God opened my eyes to the deception He aslo showed me about the tithing lie too … then one day i got an anonymous email with this link …

    anyway thanks for your time researching all this things

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)


    >> can you email me this letter or letters
    >> i listed what im asking about below taking from above

    I am dunno what you are speaking about…. errr :)

  • Clif

    This is a little thought I had…


    Those more familiar with the Book and story of Exodus than I, are aware that we have the details of the crossing of the Red Sea, out of Egypt, the giving of the Law and the detailed construction of the Tabernacle under Gods instructions.

    In Exodus I noted some interesting verses with regards to ‘offerings’.

    In Chapter 31:1 it says:
    ‘And The Lord spake unto Moses saying, See, I have called by name Bezaleel …..
    (v3) And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship.
    This calling also applied to Aholiab …..and in the hearts of all the wisehearted I have put wisdom. ….

    In Exodus 35 v5 it says
    ‘ Take ye from among you an OFFERING UNTO THE LORD; whosoever IS OF A WILLING HEART, let Him bring it, an offering of the Lord:

    And v10
    And every wisehearted among you shall come, and make all that the Lord have commanded’…..
    v 21 ‘ And they came everyone whose HEART STIRRED Him up, and EVERYONE whom His Spirit made willing and they brought the Lords offering to the work of the tabernacle of the congregation…..’
    (v22) And they came, both men and women as many as were willing hearted.
    ( v29) The children of Israel brought a willing offering unto the Lord, every man and woman whose heart made them willing to bring for all manner of work,…’

    In Ex 36: v3 it says
    And they received of Moses all the offerings which the children of Israel had brought for the work of the service of the sanctuary;……And they BROUGHT yet unto Him FREE OFFERINGS every morning”….

    and these wise men came to Moses with a ‘complaint’ if you please…….
    Ex 36: v5
    ‘The PEOPLE bring MUCH MORE than enough for the service of the work’…..
    (v6) And Moses gave commandment; and they ‘ CAUSED it to be PROCLAIMED throughout the Camp saying ‘ Let neither man nor woman make any more work for the offering of the Santuary so the
    (v7) For the stuff they had was SUFFICIENT for ALL the work to make it.
    And TO MUCH’.

    Now an interesting fact I read with regards to the Passover, is that some Jews, celebrate with 4 cups of Wine, each has its own symbolic meaning.
    The First Cup……YOU RESCUED ME
    The Second….. YOU SAVED ME
    The Third……..YOU REDEEMED ME
    The Forth Cup….. YOU TOOK ME TO BE YOUR CHILD.

    For the Wisehearted,
    who have been
    and adopted as a Child of God,
    IF that be YOU….
    Then contemplating, Ex 35 v5 ‘ Take ye from among you an OFFERING unto the LORD; whosever IS OF A WILLING HEART, let Him bring it, an offering of the Lord:…. v 21 ‘ And they came everyone whose HEART STIRRED Him up, and EVERYONE whom His Spirit made willing and they brought the Lords offering to the work of the tabernacle of the congregation…..’ (v22) And they came, both men and women as many as were willing hearted.

    In Philippians, think on Pauls response to substance provided
    V18…… “ the things that were sent from you, an odour of a sweet smell, a sacrifice acceptable, well pleasing to God”
    V19 “ But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in Glory by Christ Jesus”

    So why this Music plays,
    ( I Will not Forget – by Mia Fieldes and Christ Tabernacle Choir)
    ….ask God, as He has blessed you, as your circumstances and obligations dictate… think on, and let the wisehearted, give their offerings as the Spirit directs.

  • Clif

    This sis from the web…

    Recently, I was watching a TV “ministry” (hucksters) who were urging people to send them money and they were guaranteeing a 100 fold return on the seed-faith money. Well, if I took them at their word and started with “sowing” $10 a week, I should start expecting to receive a $1000 a week in return. If after that I gave 10 percent of the $1000 ($100) I received per week, I could then expect to receive $100,000 per week. If after that I gave 10 percent of the $100,000 ($10,000) per week, I could then expect to receive $10, 000, 000 per week. In nine weeks I would be richer than Bill Gates (net worth ~ $30 billion) who is an atheist and does not give anything to the Lord’s work. The following table summarizes the results:
    Period Amount Given ($) Amount Received ($)
    1 10 1000
    2 100 10,000
    3 1000 100,000
    4 10,000 1,000,000
    5 100,000 10,000,000
    6 1,000,000 100,000,000
    7 10,000,000 1,000,000,000
    8 100,000,000 10,000,000,000
    9 1,000,000,000 100,000,000,000

    If instead I gave this amount once a year, I still would be the richest man in the world in ten years. If this is really what Jesus meant, then why do these “ministers” have to ask for money at all? Could not they apply the same principles and reap the money themselves?
    Sound Ridiculous? Sure it is! But no more so than the extravagant promises made day in and day out by the hucksters on televisio

  • Clif

    The Israelites illustrated that there was a journey to be made, from hell to heaven. Religion teaches the journey is to ‘see you next week’,. Lets not forget that it is in Babylon during Israels captivity that they adopted the secret ‘mysteries of the babylonian Gods’ which is why Jesus said they were of the ‘ Synagogue of Satan’, that their father was the father of lies and a murderer from the start. Rome is descended from these very same roots and the Church is going home.

    It seems that generations upon generations of exulted religious teachers, who being raised in and through the religious system were of that system, and teach what they knew, the system. Though they deny it and say they teach Christ, but teach as sacred the doctrines and traditions that have little to do with Jesus Christ but all to do with perpetrating the system, the talking shops our Churches have become, the auditoriums of self-promotion and self-enrichment, more in common with the world than the servant Jesus Christ, if they were not, our Churches would be empty and our communities alive with Christ.As such they were schooled as the children of the Rome – of the serpant, and there the greatest deception lies. For Satan does not preach Jesus Christ ( I am The Way) but entertains with fairground
    rides of this world, knowing if the roundabout goes on long enough, the only place it will stop is Hell. But we are entertained, we are happy, we have ‘ fellowship’ ( ha ha ) and the Serpant hisses and knows that he has blinded us and our fate is doom.
    For in this system Paul reminded us about ‘another Gospel’ and ‘ coming again under the precepts of the Law’. Satans deception through religion is to blind us, to get just one pinch of the Law into the ‘mix’ and those that ‘ ‘obey’ are no longer under Grace, no longer following the Gospel that the Disciples taught, but have placed themselves under the Law, they have rejected Christ, they will be judged by the Law.
    The most striking example I can find of this is the ‘Tithing’ mafia- like extortion racket that it prevelant in so many Churches. I can find no EXCUSE for this, Tithing is Law…Law is dead. WE are under Grace and Grace giving from the Heart as directed by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. When preached as a LIE in our Churches it is placing those that participate under the Law and Christ is of no good to them.
    Iit was not until about 500 AD that Tithing got a reral mention, 600 – 1000 AD before it got to the UK, as late as 1875 the USA…..and the original instigator, to fund its bloated Institutions and false Priesthood….is traced back….to….Rome.
    How about your Church management, ever wondered why it seems modelled on the the World (Purpose Driven) and not Biblical principles?….again the deceit is hidden very deep. Through Rome your Church is operating an ‘abolished’ corrupt Levitical Priesthood where THEY are the ‘ordained’ ( by man one might add or by self) and you are divided into ‘porters. Musicians, choir’ and Layiety, no five-fold Ministry here, no sharing of the ‘tithe profits’ allowed ( unless its to cronmies or family). As stated by the Word of God YOU are a ROYAL PRIESTHOOD ordained by Christ Himself. So tell me who or what robs YOU of your position and authority in Christ??..further and why??. Unbeknown, by deceit you are Worshiping under the OT Priest System ( heaven help you if you are at Bethel or Gilgal – see the Book of Amos) , it begs the question in this system, despite the proclaimations, where is Jesus Christ??…no wonder they are able and feel justified to so freely talk about blessings and curses all the time, as was the case under Old Testement Law but for those under Grace

    “Therefore. There is now no comdemnation for those who are IN CHRIST JESUS, because thriough Christ Jesus the LAW of the SPIRIT of LIFE set me free from the LAW of SIN AND DEATH” ( Rom 8: 1 – 2)

    The OT Priesthood had an annointing upon, the OT Priesthood was before the Cross, before the Abiding in, in itself, by its very Nature, saying it proclaims Grace, but denys Christ and all that Worship under it , do so by consent. This imitation Jewish Tempkle that is called Church by its form denies that Christ has come in the flesh.

    This is Satans greatest in-house deceit, preached by the deceived, who should repent but no, Churches ande Ministries operate on the precepts of this Worlds and the provision and accumulation of mammon, whist condeming the sheep to die in the desert. Though they deny this of course, they by their actions deny much that is of Christ.

    But if it be truer yet, that the priesthood of Aaron typified a better reality, 1 Pet. 2. 5, signifying the Christian true and “holy priesthood to offer up spiritual sacrifice;” it follows hence, that we are now justly exempt from paying tithes to any who claim from Aaron, since that priesthood is in us now real, which in him was but a shadow. ………

    it will not be allowed them so much as an example. Melchisedec, besides his priestly benediction, brought with him bread and wine sufficient to refresh Abraham and his whole army; incited to do so, first, by the secret providence of God, intending him for a type of Christ and his priesthood; next, by his due thankfulness and honour to Abraham, who had freed his borders of Salem from a potent enemy………

    But our ministers, though neither priests nor kings more than any other Christian, greater in their own esteem than Abraham and all his seed, for the verbal labour of a seventh day’s preachment, not bringing, like Melchisedec, bread or wine at their own cost, would not take only at the willing hand of liberality or gratitude, but require and exact as due, the tenth, not of spoils, but of our whole estates and labours; nor once, but yearly………

    so tithes also in that action typical and ceremonial, signified nothing else but that subjection which all the faithful, both ministers and people, owe to Christ, our high priest and king…………

    by remembering them that in those days was no priest, but the father, or the first born of each family; and by consequence no people to pay him tithes, but his own children and servants, who had not wherewithal to pay him, but of his own. Yet grant that the people then paid tithes, there will not yet be the like reason to enjoin us; they being then under ceremonies, a mere laity, we now under Christ, a royal priesthood. 1 Pet. ii. 9, as we are coheirs, kings and priests with him, a priest for ever after the order or manner of Melchisedec. As therefore Abraham paid tithes to Melchisedec because Levi was in him, so we ought to pay none because the true Melchisedec is in us, and we in him, who can pay to none greater, and hath freed us, by our union with himself, from all compulsive tributes and taxes in his church. Neither doth the collateral place, Heb. vii. make other use of this story, than to prove Christ, personated by Melchisedec, a greater priest than Aaron………

    that tithes be of any right to ministers, but the contrary: first, the Levites had a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren……..

    to take tithes of the Jews only, and according to the law. That law changing of necessity with the priesthood, no other sort of ministers, as they must needs be another sort under another priesthood, can receive that tribute of tithes which fell with that law, unless renewed by another express command, and according to another law; no such law is extant. Next, Melchisedec not as a minister, but as Christ himself in person, blessed Abraham, who “had the promises,” ver. 6, and in him blessed all both ministers and people, both of the law and gospel: that blessing declared him greater and better than whom he blessed, ver. 7, receiving tithes from them all, not as a maintenance, which Melchisedec needed not, but as a sign of homage and subjection to their king and priest: whereas ministers bear not the person of Christ in his priesthood or kingship, bless not as he blesses, are not by their blessing greater than Abraham, and all the faithful with themselves included in him; cannot both give and take tithes in Abraham, cannot claim to themselves that sign of our allegiance due only to our eternal king and priest, cannot therefore derive tithes from Melchisedec……….

    “Here men that die receive tithes: there he received them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.” Which words intimate, that as he offered himself once for us, so he received once of us in Abraham, and in that place the typical acknowledgment of our redemption: which had it been a perpetual annuity to Christ, by him claimed as his due…………..

    “Know ye not, that they who minister about holy things, live of the things of the temple; and they which wait at the altar, are partakers with the altar? So also the Lord hath ordained, that they who preach the gospel, should live of the gospel.” He saith not, should live on things which were of the temple, or of the altar, of which were tithes, for that had given them a clear title: but abrogating that former law of Moses, which determined what and how much, by a later ordinance of Christ, which leaves the what and how much indefinite and free, so it be sufficient to live on: he saith, “The Lord hath so ordained, that they who preach the gospel, should live of the gospel;” which hath neither temple, altar, nor sacrifice: Heb. vii. 13, “For he of whom these things are spoken, pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar:” …………..

    1 Tim. v. 18, where he cites this as the saying of our Saviour, “That the labourer is worthy of his hire.” And both by this place of Luke, and that of Matt. x. 9, 10, 11, it evidently appears, that our Saviour ordained no certain maintenance for his apostles or ministers, publicly or privately, in house or city received; but that, whatever it were, which might suffice to live on: and this not commanded or proportioned by Abraham or by Moses, whom he might easily have here cited, as his manner was, but declared only by a rule of common equity, which proportions the hire as well to the ability of him who gives, as to the labour of him who receives, and recommends him only as worthy, not invests him with a legal right. And mark whereon he grounds this his ordinance; not on a perpetual right of tithes from Melchisedec, as hirelings pretend, which he never claimed, either for himself, or for his ministers, but on the plain and common equity of rewarding the labourer; worthy sometimes of single, sometimes of double honour, not proportionable by tithes. And the apostle in this forecited chapter to the Corinthians, ver. 11, affirms it to be no great recompence, if carnal things be reaped for spiritual sown…………..

    Certainly if Christ or his apostles had approved of tithes, they would have, either by writing or tradition, recommended them to the church; and that soon would have appeared in the practice of those primitive and the next ages. But for the first three hundred years and more, in all the ecclesiastical story, I find no such doctrine or example: though error by that time had brought back again priests, altars, and oblations; and in many other points of religion had miserably Judaized the church

  • Clif

    Catholic Enclylopedia:

    In the Christian Church, as those who serve the altar should live by the altar (1 Corinthians 9:13), provision of some kind had necessarily to be made for the sacred ministers. In the beginning this was supplied by the spontaneous offerings of the faithful. In the course of time, however, as the Church expanded and various institutions arose, it became necessary to make laws which would insure the proper and permanent support of the clergy. The payment of tithes was adopted from the Old Law, and early writers speak of it as a divine ordinance and an obligation of conscience. The earliest positive legislation on the subject seems to be contained in the letter of the bishops assembled at Tours in 567 and the canons of the Council of Maçon in 585. In course of time, we find the payment of tithes made obligatory by ecclesiastical enactments in all the countries of christendom. The Church looked on this payment as “of divine law, since tithes were instituted not by man but by the Lord Himself” (C. 14, X de decim. III, 30). As regards the civil power, the Christian Roman emperors granted the right to churches of retaining a portion of the produce of certain lands, but the earliest instance of the enforcement of the payment of ecclesiastical tithes by civil law is to be found in the capitularies of Charlemagne, at the end of the eighth century. English law very early recognized the tithe, as in the reigns of Athelstan, Edgar, and Canute before the Norman Conquest. In English statute law proper, however, the first mention of tithes is to be found in the Statute of Westminister of 1285. Tithes are of three kinds: predial, or that derived from the annual crops; mixed, or what arises from things nourished by the land, as cattle, milk, cheese, wool; and personal or the result of industry or occupation. Predial tithes were generally called great tithes, and mixed and personal tithes, small tithes. Natural substances having no annual increase are not tithable, nor are wild animals. When property is inherited or donated, it is not subject to the law of tithes, but its natural increase is. There are many exempted from the paying of tithes: spiritual corporations, the owners of uncultivated lands, those who have acquired lawful prescription, or have obtained a legal renunciation, or received a privilege from the pope.

    At first, the tithe was payable to the bishop, but later the right passed by common law to parish priests. Abuses soon crept in. The right to receive tithes was granted to princes and nobles, even hereditarily, by ecclesiastics in return for protection or eminent services, and this species of impropriation became so intolerable that the Third Council of Lateran (1179) decreed that no alienation of tithes to laymen was permissible without the consent of the pope. In the time of Gregory VIII, a so-called Saladin tithe was instituted, which was payable by all who did not take part personally in the crusade to recover the Holy Land. At the present time, in most countries where some species of tithes still exist, as in England (for the Established Church), in Austria, and Germany, the payment has been changed into a rent-charge. In English-speaking countries generally, as far as Catholics are concerned, the clergy receive no tithes. As a consequence, other means have had to be adopted to support the clergy and maintain the ecclesiastical institutions (see CHURCH MAINTENANCE), and to substitute other equivalent payments in lieu of tithes. Soglia (Institut, Canon, II, 12) says “The law of tithes can never be abrogated by prescription or custom, if the ministers of the Church have no suitable and sufficient provision from other sources; because then the natural and divine law, which can neither be abrogated not antiquate, commands that the tithe be paid.” In some parts of Canada, the tithe is still recognized by civil law, and the Fourth Council of Quebec (1868) declared that its payment is binding in conscience of the faithful.

  • Clif

    So there we have it, the Devil got it into LAW and its Catholic Kings gave away empires so as not to face pergutory. Rightly the Bible says ‘ Doctrines of Demons” but NOBODY wants to say behind the teachings and the deciets is THE DEVIL. Well, thats what the Bible says..go argfue with God,,just know who is controling your Church, your MInister that propergates such deceptions…Wolves in Sheeps clothing are the least of our worries. ‘I did not Know you’ should concern us more..much more.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)


    Yes how true is that, Why do these ministers no apply these principles to themselves, because they know they are thieves instead.

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  • Hester

    I watched a documentary the other night on this preacher (can’t remember his name now) but he started out as a child minister. And he was so open and blatant on how he makes money out of the gullible people. Says him and his mom had “codes”. If he was preaching and she shouted for instance, ” praise the lord!!” then it meant he had to speak more loudly, if she raised her hands and shouted “hallelujah!” it meant that the people were emotionally “ripe” for taking up the offerings. He openly admitted to lying about speaking in tongues, because it is just a little phrase he learnt and then “imparting” it on the women in his congregation and how they then part with their money like there is no tomorrow! Most shocking was seeing him counting his money and putting it out on his bed in the hotel room and as he is counting, saying “thank you jesuzzz”.
    He goes on to say that he had asked another pastor once how he managed to earn such good money from his radio show and this pastor said, “I just say something like, there is an elderly woman, who is going through some tough times, I see your loneliness and ill health or maybe you are concerned about your children, well the lord has shown me that you have hidden 100 dollars and if you are listening right now, you need to be obedient and send it to my ministry as it will advance the kingdom and you will be healed or your children will come to know the lord” and laughingly then said, well there are at least 50 old ladies who hid 100 dollars somewhere!

    It was both shocking to watch and just such a realization again of how the heart of man is evil above all things! But also a fear gripped my heart for these people as it is a fearful thing to fall in the hands of the living God!

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)


    >> I watched a documentary the other night on this preacher (can’t remember his name now) but he started out as a child minister.

    Was it Marjoe Gortner – Oldest Tricks in the Book

  • Hester

    The videos reads “video not available” so I can’t say for sure. Certainly from the article, sounds like him!

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Oh crumbs, I will have to fix that.

  • Sharon

    Deb-ster you are waxing eloquent! Baptists love the topic of tithing! :o) I will reread this a few more times before I comment. My preacher brother believes a bit different than I do on the topic of tithing.

    You are very brave my friend. You are forth-wright and I appreciate it.

    Go get ’em girl

  • Sharon

    Ephesians 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
    Ephesians 3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

    Friend you were tithing for the wrong motive. You bought into the lie of the “name it and claim it” TV preachers of false doctrine. Does God bless us when we support the true church? Absolutely. But where in scripture does it say that you give God your tithe through the church and he will bless you with 1000% increase? He blesses us in many ways. I can give testimony of His faithfulness when I did as He wanted me to do. I live below the national poverty level here in the USA. But I have a cute two bedroom apartment. Is it a mansion? No. My mansion is at home with the Lord. I have a car that meets my needs with a lift on the back for my power wheel-chair. My pantry and refrigerator are full. It cost me nothing to go to my doctor and my prescriptions cost me very little.

    My husband divorced me after 28 years of marriage 13 years ago. I moved closer to our son after my parents passed away in 2008. I barely got moved in and my ex went back to court and had the alimony stopped. I had no money to fight him in court and he knew that. He will answer to God for that. He makes a 6 figure income not including what his wife makes.

    Any way, I said all of that and could tell much more of God’s faithfulness to me. My tithe belongs to His church. The missionaries we support need us to faithfully give. The electricity bill, the water bill, etc had to be paid. When it is 112 in the shade here it is nice to have air conditioning. We have a pantry for folks that need groceries whether members of our church or not.

    Tithing has be from a joyful and grateful heart.

    Helen wrote:

    I don’t tithe money not anymore to church (The building), I tithed 10 percent each sunday beleiving my money would get better, it didn’t. Cos it doesn’t work! What does work, is tithing a small amount to a friend (What church truly is)in tightening the belt situation herself, for petrol money and Thank God my money hasn’t sunk so it has run out! As it was before. THAT works. (I do keep to a tight budget) I tithe to church (building)my time and energy instead.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)


    >> Tithing has be from a joyful and grateful heart.

    totally correct.

  • edddycs

    I battled with this for a long time as well,but then one day in Gods infinite mercy to me,he showed me to be responsible to my family and any debt is first as a Father and a Husband.We know whats right and wrong God says he has written His words on our hearts so His word as it existed in the beginning was with God and was God So God has written Himself into and on our hearts we choose to ACT IN OBEDIENCE TO HIM OR REBEL (realizing we are rebelious allows us to repent and so believing then as a result is to be born again to what God has already written on our hearts)(The bilble in written form is miracle and represents Gods wriiten word as a tangible gift to the world)-When we believe on the Lord we do what is required of us under the influence of the comforter we look after our families as is right and we then also look after the widow and orphan an Injunction to give and have mercy, a believer does not need a teaching on this Gods word acts out from us, it becomes us to freely give and live this revelatory action,it is an act of believing faith and hence a function out of freedom in truth (Jesus says I am the way the truth and the life)( He who is free is free indeed)with this freedom is abundant life its a realization we are sojourners and earth is not our home. Hallaluah and so we look to the mountains we await the return of Christ with great expectancy.Jesus is coming soon


  • Sharon

    2nd Corinthians 9:6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
    2nd Corinthians 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
    2nd Corinthians 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:

    As we know, tithing was instituted BEFORE the Law and the tithe means a tenth part or 10%.
    Genesis 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
    Genesis 14:19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
    Genesis 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

    I can only speak of how I was taught at first by my parents when I was a child. Then as my grandfather preached. My brother changed his teaching a few years ago and I will tell that in a moment.

    Tithing has never been hard for me. I thank my parents for teaching me when a very young child to put some money in the box in Sunday School. I thank God for giving me a heart that is willing to do as I believe he wants me to do when it comes to the tithe and offerings.

    I personally believe that we are to tithe off of the “net” of our pay check. “Net” meaning before taxes and off of the “first-fruits” of what I earned. There are people who believe that you tithe off the “gross” or after taxes. But if God had not provided the job and given the income then it took a certain amount to give you the gross.

    Now with that said, I will discuss how my preach/pastor brother believes. This verse in
    2nd Corinthians 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
    My brother says, that verse where it says, “not of necessity” means that the tithe is not required under grace. But he also says that we still should give out of a greatful and loving heart at least what the Jews were required to give and then more if we can afford it. For around 40 years of his 45 years of preaching he taught the verses in
    Malachi 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. as well as other verses on store-house tithing.
    He told me that he came to believe that if we are going to believe in tithing according to the Jews under the law, then we must also live by ALL of the law. We cannot pick and choose what parts of the law we will participate in. He made some very thought provoking points and this is what he has preached to his church and their budget is always met.

    Hebrews 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

    I told my brother about the verse above and to me it proves tithing in the New Testament. That “here” (on earth) that men that die (mortal man) receives the tithes (in the church) BUT……there (heaven) HE (Jesus) receives them.

    For me, Jesus receiving my tithes and offerings in heaven sheds a whole different light on the Tithe. He loves a cheerful giver. When I was working and still getting alimony I gave the tithe and offering off of both incomes. When I ended up on disability retirement and living below the USA poverty level, I still give the tithe and offering. Of course it isn’t as much as what I was able to give when I was working and I still wish I could work and give more.

    For me, Jesus didn’t set a dollar amount that I MUST give. He just receives my tithes and offerings “UP THERE.” My account in heaven, regardless of the dollar amount, will NOT say “ZERO”, “ZIP”, “NOTTA”, “EMPTY” OR “NONE.”

    It is a good thing to help the poor because Jesus said, we would always have the poor.
    It is a good thing to help out a friend going through a tough time. I’ve done this, but I try to do it as anonymously as possible because we are not to let the right hand know what the left hand is giving.

    There is a great blessing to my soul when only God and I know that I have helped someone. Sometimes I had someone else give the person the money, other times I gave through the church and designated that certain amount as a love offering to a person.

    BUT…I have never used the tithe on anything or anyone other than the general fund of the Body of Believers, my church/the Lords church because Jesus receives my tithe UP THERE.

    Tithing does work. We cannot out-give God. Sometimes though people who try to tithe thinks that If I give this then God is obligated to give me that. Nope, that is “blab it and grab it” nonsense. God has promised to meet our NEEDS. But he is not obligated to give us our wants. Bless His name though, often He does let us have some of our wants. We don’t give to get. We get to give. Our FULL reward will be when we go home.

    Ephesians 3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

  • Sharon

    I wish there was a “EDIT” button here. Deb-ster, I will email you soon about an idea I have just to see what you think.

    I didn’t finish a thought I have. This is how I personally see this.

    Tithing was before the law.
    Tithing was a part of the law.
    Why would it not be a part of grace as well especially because Jesus is our High Priest and receives our tithes in heaven?

    (Melchizedek was Jesus Christ)

  • Sharon

    How many people today earn a living by spices? Back eons ago people were paid with salt, sugar, cinnamon, anise, and other spices. Would you now like to get 56 pounds of cinnamon as your pay check? Would your church want their 5.6 pounds of cinnamon put into the offering plate? Yes under the law they did tithe off of these things as many of these things were either used in the Temple or they were sold for money.

    So…think and read the Word. Ask the Lord if the building you meet in for church needs your tithe of cinnamon or you tithe of your income? Electricity isn’t free.

    Andy wrote:

    That’s the issue. If a person wants to tithe, it can’t be money. It has to be spices and other things as the law said. And with that part of the law, they must keep the rest of the law in sinless perfection.

    As for me, I’ll be under grace, and give offerings in money of whatever I choose to give or not give.

  • Sharon

    You better watch out there Deb-ster. “Oh Crumbs” might be a “potty mouth word” to some who may be reading this blog. You just never know how twisted and demented minds work! :o)

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Oh crumbs, I will have to fix that.

  • Sharon

    [Edited comment moved]

    Luke 21:1 And he looked up, and saw the rich men casting their gifts into the treasury.
    Luke 21:2 And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites.
    Luke 21:3 And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all:
    Luk4 21:4 For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had.

    I have always loved this true story. Jesus was sitting in the Temple and was “people watching.” The rich folks (probably the Pharisees) were casting (throwing) their money into the treasury. No paper money back then. Gold and Silver coins being thrown into the money box. By throwing/casting their money in the “cha-ching” rang out through the Temple like bells. They loved the sound of the “cha-ching” and these “good-Christians/Jews” loved the attention they received even more. I wonder if they knew Jesus was watching them? Maybe they wanted to show this false Son of God how they worshipped the One True God…how pious, how holy.

    But… …in walks one of the lowest forms of life under the law, a widow woman and a poor one at that. I don’t think she knew Jesus was “people watching.” She probably walked with her lives looking down ward She was used to being alone in the Temple, alone in a crowd, very alone at home. She was so alone that scripture doesn’t even give us her name. But Jesus knew her name. But it wasn’t as important as what she did. Those two mites, they would make little if any noise as she placed them into the offering box. I don’t picture a lonely widow woman “casting/throwing” two mites to draw attention to herself. She would have just been laughed at. The “ping-ping” sound couldn’t compare to “cha-ching.”

    Look at what Jesus said, she hath given “MORE THEN ALL OF THEM.” Where those “religiously self-righteous” Pharisees are right now, their gold and silver has melted away. Where this widow is her two mites have turned into streets of gold!

    We cannot out-give God.

    [I really want to meet her when I go home. There are other un-named women in scripture that I want to meet to, but that’s another topic.]

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    You better watch out there Deb-ster. “Oh Crumbs” might be a “potty mouth word” to some who may be reading this blog. You just never know how twisted and demented minds work! :o)

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Oh crumbs, I will have to fix that.

    Oh crumbs, I forgot about that lol

  • Sharon

    I can only speak of these statistics for the “evangelical churches” in the USA

    10% of the people in the church give 90% of the money. I have personally kept the tithing records of a church I was a member of back when I lived in Florida. I finally gave up the job of keeping the records. Knowing what people gave didn’t bother me. What bothered me was some of the people that griped the most about what should or shouldn’t be done gave little or nothing. It would really put a bee under my saddle!

    It is also said that 10% of the people did 90% of the work that needed doing. I found that to be true as well.

    I’ve seen comments here about, “I’m not giving that preacher any more of my money.”
    First of all, you’re not giving the preacher anything. Then I’ve seen where some have said, I didn’t get anything for tithing. That’s why….you didn’t get because you were not giving out of a joyful and grateful heart. You just were giving to get something.

    I hope when I get to heaven that there might be a child that a missionary I helped support come up to me and say thanks, because you helped the missionary come to my town I came to know Jesus.

    What is a human soul worth? Surely it is worth at the very least…10%

    Lev_27:31 And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereto.

    Someone said that the tithe under law was cattle, spices, other material goods only and not money. The verse above while under the law is concerning a person holding back some of their tithe, or borrowing from the Lord for a certain time. But when it came time to settle up with the Lord 20% had to be added to it. So, I’m not thinking one could give 20% of a bull/cow or sheep or goat, Even though the examples of the people in the Old Testament showed them to be cattlemen, Bedouin type lifestyle, they still had the capacity to earn money by selling said cattle and farm products.

    Any way…while tithing may or may not be a New Testament teaching, it has worked for me. I have no regrets and I wish I could give more. I truly do.

    Peace to you, His peace.

  • Henry Mijares

    If you will read HEBREWS 7:5,12

    “And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:”

    “For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.”

    It is clearly stated that there’s a change of law. And when it comes to giving, we should follow 2 CORINTHIANS 9:7

    “Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.”

  • Henry Mijares

    Our Pastor keeps on including tithing in most of her preachings. That we are robbing God because of what is written in Malachi 3:8. There’s nothing wrong in that verse, as the people are still under the law, whether the sons of the Levites, the priests or the people of Israel.

    Of course you will feel guilty about it. As if you will be cursed if you will not give your portion to God. I feel that the verse is being abused. I don’t have any problem about giving but it should not be out of obligation, compulsion or making the people guilty. God loves a cheerful giver.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)


    If I were you I would look at the rest of what she preaches to see if it’s correct, chances are she is teaching a load of nonsense as well. Pastors love to make people feel guilty and place a huge burden on people, this is not of God.

  • Marie

    I am so blessed today as I read this article. Tithing is taken so much out of context. I remember when I was a baby Christian, (now been walking with the Lord for over 40 years.) I remember the first time the Holy Spirit revealed to me about Mal.3 and how He showed me He was speaking to the high priests here. I stopped tithing immediately, as I believed the word He gave me. Immediately, and I mean immediately, I had more than enough to live on, plus. I started to give money instead of tithe money. You see I had a very bad disease, from which He now has healed me. I thought that if I did not tithe that I was robbing God and my disease could not be healed, this is what I was taught at this time. I started to be a giver AS THE LORD LEAD ME, and sometimes it was way over the tithe. I learned to give mostly to those who did not have it. I gave to my church,, BUT ONLY AS HE LEAD ME. After all these years I enjoy giving, and guess what, I always get more to give as HE LEADS ME. I am going to send out this teaching far and wide my brother and thank you for your faithfulness to our Father in publishing this. You, are a true teacher of the Word of God. Blessings always, in Christ, Marie

  • rory

    Amen, 10% tithing is 100% wrong. Money tithing is non-existent in the scripture, nobody paid tithes on income, wages, or sales. After 24 years of paying tithes, I asked the Lord to show me the truth, and He said “start reading the NEW Testament”. 3 weeks later we knew we had been lied to by the men we trusted behind pulpits. The apostles *never*, no, not once, ever instructed or taught any church or saint to pay or give any form of tithes!
    Not one verse! In fact, Paul worked and told ministers to do the same that they should help the needy. Acts 20..

  • MissDebra

    I have seen tithing creep into churchianity over the past decades. When I first became a christian in high school, it was not being preached at the places I went to. I remember the first time I heard a “pastor” talk about it, I felt in my heart it was wrong and I was only 17. What is the matter with all these deceived people believing in it now? It has crept in like a cancer, and they welcome it. In fact when I try to wake people up and tell them Jesus did not take tithes of the people because He was not a Levite, and I ask them, “is your pastor a Levite?”, they get so angry and will not talk to me anymore.

  • Dear MissDebra

    You said: is your pastor a Levite?”

    Oh goodness I never even thought of saying that lol. Good one.

    Its the same as when people are caught up in plan old con-artists schemes. When you try tell them they are being conned they don’t want to believe it because 1) They don’t want to believe they are wrong, 2) They don’t want to believe they are being conned and 3) ROI – Return on Investment aka greed. If you study about white collar criminals and the tactics they use to steal peoples money you will notice it’s exactly the same psychology; be it a false christian minister or a plain old white collar fraudster. The psychopath (who is satanic) knows what to say (e.g., quote bible scripture) and how to say it (play on your emotions, and say it over and over and over again) to get you to give everything.

  • MissDebra

    You are correct Deborah, greed is on the part of the deceived for sure. They covet their pastor/handler’s cars, jets, homes, vacations, etc. I told one lady I just met, when she hammered me about why I don’t go to church, that tithing was heresy. Her response? “I am hanging up on you now because I don’t want to hear any more, its working for me.” When I responded to her with “Well, the children of Israel were angry with the prophet because he told them that they should not be sacrificing to the queen of heaven but should be serving the Lord their God, they said it was working for them and they would keep sacrificing. When satan tried to tempt Jesus with all the wealth of the world, wouldn’t it have worked for Him temporarily if He had submitted to satan? But He chose to deny Himself and follow His Father instead of gaining the riches of the world. Gaining money is not a test of true spirituality.”

    As you can guess, our conversation did not last much longer than that, she hung up after I had said these things.

    Deborah, why don’t people love Jesus more than their petty temporal pleasures? It is childish to hang on to baby blankets and pacifiers when we can be friends and spouse to the one who created it all.

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