Elza Meyer – Hearing God’s Voice the Contemplative Way

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Discerning the World is an internet Discernment ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa that was founded by Deborah du Rand in 2008. Tom Lessing joined Deborah in May 2013. Tom Lessing founded the website "Waak en Bid/Watch and Pray" which was closed in 2013 and articles moved across to DTW.

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  1. It is not difficult to see under whose tutorship Elza Meyer has fallen. (I use the word “fallen” because that’s exactly what’s happened to her). You only need to notice the buzz words – “silence,” “experience,” “from the heart,” “story-telling” and her outright denial of the Bible as God’s final and authoritative Word to know from whence she is coming.

    Dr Willem Nicol, the doyen of contemplative spirituality in the Apostatized Dutch Reformed Church wrote a book called “Gebed van die Hart” (“Prayer of the Heart”) On pages 12 and 14 he writes:

    “There are people who on a daily basis experience what significance the Bible has for their spirit, . . . It is understandable that many of us do not enjoy the Bible any longer . . . especially the free spirits who are interested in meditation feel that the Bible is too restrictive.” Whatever your belief is, silence helps you to open yourself more to it (your faith convictions) and to be formed by them.”

    Non-Christians are also invited, especially the ones who are interested in meditation. Many religions experience the value of silence in different ways, and insofar it is good, it actually does come from God, so that our experiences should open paths to one another and to Him”

    Stephan Joubert also advocates the heresy that we should not return to the Bible but rather focus on story telling. This is what he said:

    Someone told me about their pastor’s greatest sermon ever. It was not a bunch of new Biblical insights that he shared with them. Indeed, that sermon was actually a fiasco. Halfway through the sermon the pastor got stuck. He then admitted that he wasn’t prepared thoroughly. And then a spontaneous tale unfolded about the pastor’s hectic schedule due to pressure to keep everyone in the congregation happy. In tears he confessed that he didn’t even have time to become quiet, at the feet of the Lord anymore. “That day our pastor touched more hearts than in any other sermon because he shared himself with us,”

    So, as you can see, sharing Jesus with others and everything He had done for them on the cross, is taboo. That’s old hat. We must become with-it and share ourselves with other people. BLASPHEMY!!!

    How long God is going to tolerate their idolatry, I really don’t know. He is long suffering and does not want anyone to perish but the time is drawing near when He must say: “Enough is enough.” May HE have mercy on their pitiful souls. I have warned Stephan Joubert on many occasions to repent of his waywardness but has to this day refused to listen. “Therefore thou shalt speak all these words unto them; but they will not hearken to thee: thou shalt also call unto them; but they will not answer thee.” (Jer 7:27)

    Stephan refuses to answer. Elza Meyer is on the same road as Stephan Joubert.

  2. edddycs says:

    Phwee I wish I knew where to start ,to make comment suffice to say (avoid a long story) I grew up in the “Pentecostal church” I was born into the fellowship.By the time I was 12 I had done a pretty good child hood study of the bible via a “course” offered by world outreach,as my godmother worked for them. by 19 till i was 30 i lead a very rebellious life.
    At age 23 I repented of my sin 3am in the morning after a particularly bad experience.My repentance was an act of desperation on my part as I saw clearly where i was on my way to.my deliverance was not an instant experience but rather a road to recovery after allowing the WORD of God to become revelation to me by the Holy Spirit.
    I am no longer a participant in the Pentecostal charismatic establishment.(after ambitions of becoming an elder-lol) I have had to repent of rebellious actions along the way and as I have done so God has instantly delivered me from addictions.As a Father and a husband I have learnt to take the WORD at it’s simplest and believe it – I lay my hands on my children when they succumb to illness anointing them with oil (My daughter at 16 specifically with a specific issue and my son at 20 also- they are witnesses) The Lord healed them instantly it was a supernatural miracle.My wife suffered with debilitating megrains that would cause her to be bed ridden, after a while with doctors injections offering temporary relief -I one day took the courage of my convictions to pray for her by laying my hands on her and anointing her with oil.She no longer suffers as of that time – More recently I prayed for the lumps in her breast and they are no longer.I have temporarly been led down the garden path by some authors like Rebecca brown- reason is because I read there books instead of just the Bible,I have stopped doing that and so do not get led down these parts anylonger . A father and Husband must be vigilant at his post having received this position from the Lord we must ourselves submit before the teaching of the word and the Holy Spirit of God to exercise the protection that the Armour of God affords us.
    satan work of deception is absolute,he is a master of lies as we see in DTW expose of this woman minister,it is a world wide phenomena.
    All the name mention above are under the influence of demonic influence, they have allowed the influence to enter there lives because they seek self aggrandizement in the form of Public recognition and position, high net-worth association and wealth. People follow these pied pipers as the allure is irresistible.
    People senses are dulled by the trapping around TV ,movies,sport,media stories and so on then they grasp at a compromise and a justification for this life style by the people mention above.

    The Lord is Good he exposes these through DTW and look here as well.
    “Fifteen construction firms have been ordered to pay penalties amounting to R1.46-billion for collusive tendering, says the Competition Commission.”

    “The contested projects are estimated to be worth about R47-billion and took place during 2006 and 2010. Of these, R19-billion were private sector projects and R28-billion were public sector projects. Three firms – Group 5, Construction ID and Power Construction – have not accepted the settlement deal and face prosecution.” [M&G]

    Do you recognize anyone here -here is a clue –
    Unashamedly ethical….? for Power Construction

    So take heart keep on keeping on as a follower of truth.Jesus says of himself. “I AM the way the truth and the life,no man comes to the father but by ME”

    Believers are now criminalized persecution will intensify for the the ones who are publicly verbal
    Reasons:Believers hold the WORD up as the standard for salvation. and the elite powers under demonic influence perpetuate distortion through Liberal teachers for a moment of fame these “teachers” are to offer “validity and sanction” to the new order of things.Thats why DTW is attacked by Mr Prasch and similar.
    DTW you must expect it when the attacks stop then worry.

    The road is narrow the gate is narrow and few enter therein….
    The Fight is not against flesh and blood it is against powers and principalities in HIGH places.It is sad to see that such people have sold themselves out to satan for fame and fortune a ONE NIGHT STAND.

    eddy

  3. Ronell says:

    Very strong words used to unpack the book,thoughts,revelations of a co worker in Christ!! However i realised that because of our different angles(cultures,world views)that in some areas your views does make sense.In the last days according scripture 2 Tim 2v14-25 I am cautios!!!!!!!!!

    Shalom!Shalom!!!

  4. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Thanks Eddy

    >> DTW you must expect it when the attacks stop then worry.

    Well my stats are dropping at a rate of knots. The reason after much evaluation of the situation: DTW’s ongoing stand against Calvinism. It would appear people don’t like it. There are more Calvinist sympathizers out there than meets the eye.

    Well, to bad, I would rather have no stats and stand for the truth than a million visitors and stand for heresy.

  5. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Ronell

    So Elza is a co-worker, that’s fantastic, I hope she has read the article 🙂 Please ask Elza to come comment, I would love to debate her 🙂

    Let’s see you quote 2 Tim 2:14-25 to tell me what?

    2 Timothy 2:14-16 14Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. 15Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

      Actually this verse describes Elza Meyer and her book to a tee. The bible says you need to study to shew yourself approved before God! But Elza instead says you must throw the bible away that God says you must study! “But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.” Men may have great learning who are just given to babblings in spiritual matters, like Elza. Take the great philosophers. What is a philosopher? A man/woman who is trying to find out the mystery of the universe by looking for new revelations. And here is a Book called the Bible that will tell you and Elza all about it, but she turns her back on that which God has revealed and tries to find things out for herself. “Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools” (Romans. 1:22). The mature Christian is instructed out of the Word of God. He is not misled by these babblings.

    2 Timothy 2:17-25 17And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; 18Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master’s use, and prepared unto every good work. 22Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 23But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. 24And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

      Hymenaeus and Philetus were misleading many. There is something rather interesting about their very names, which suggest that these men were of agreeable and pleasant character, and yet they were using their natural charm to mislead God’s people. Kinda like Elza Meyer, she has a nice name too, but she is misleading many. These two false teachers were seeking to mislead the churches.

      You can never be sure about a man just because he/she has a nice, attractive personality. Satan’s ministers, like Satan himself, can appear in very persuasive roles. And so the Apostle Paul tells us to be on our guard. No matter how much false teaching may come in, “Matthew 16:18 ” And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it” (Matthew 16:18). All the power of the enemy has been brought against the church of God down through the centuries, but the church abides and will abide until the Lord comes again. “Having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his.” We may not know for certain, but it is not for us to judge.

      We are responsible, though, to walk in the truth and depart from error. “And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity” Separation from known evil is mandatory. We are commanded to depart from iniquity, or lawlessness, and this includes all forms of ungodliness and worldliness this includes FALSE TEACHING that everyone seems to keep forgetting about “Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity” depart from having his own way.

      In the next verse the Apostle uses a little parable. He says, “In a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.” As you enter such a great house you may see in the dining room beautiful silver, golden, or cut-glass glasses, while out in the kitchen and in the cellar there will be earthenware vessels and vessels made out of metal. “some to honour, and some to dishonour.” The vessels unto honor are for the pleasure of the family and are used for the refreshment of their guests. These vessels are displayed openly where all may see them. They must be kept clean and bright, and after each using they must be separated from the other vessels of less value.

      If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour.” Every Christian should be a vessel for the display of God’s glory in this scene-a vessel unto honor. But in order that this might be, we need to be clean, not only clean ourselves but also be clean and shiny to other people. We are to purge ourselves by separating from evil associates and from everything unholy in our lives. Thus we shall be vessels “unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the Master’s use, and prepared unto every good work.”

      You see, Christians are like those vessels. There is a sad mixed condition in Christendom today, saved and unsaved, often united in the same church fellowship. There are those who profess to know the Jesus Christ and those who have never confessed Him, and people wonder why there is so little power and blessing. If you want to please the Lord who has made you His own, you must separate yourself from all that is unclean. Then you will be “a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the Master’s use, and prepared unto every good work.”

      Paul adds, “Flee also youthful lusts.” When you are young you have a tendancy to do rebellious things, when cannal things abound. We are to flee these things. We are not to allow them to have dominion over us. On the contrary, we are to “follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart” We are to be separated from those who are unclean, and to fellowship with those who walk before God in righteousness and holiness of life.

      In the next place we are warned against occupation with trivial matters. He says, “But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.” After we have taken our stand for God, after we come out from the world or from some worldly church where the truth is no longer preached, it is so easy to be self-satisfied and occupied with minor questions, and thus lose the sweetness and attractiveness that should characterize one who is separated to the Lord Himself.

      And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient” It is difficult sometimes to be faithful to the truth without becoming quarrelsome. We are called upon to “earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints” (Jude 3). We are not to be contentious or querulous, manifesting a bad spirit about right things, but we are to be characterized by the spirit of grace even as we stand firmly for the Word of God. “In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves.” The man who opposes the truth is working harm to himself. We need to remember this. It will make us kind and considerate as we seek to recover them from error, “if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;” Some who were the bitterest enemies of the gospel have been won for Christ by faithful dealing. “And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”

      Next time you quote scripture Ronell make sure you know what you are quoting…

      The message Ronell is – separate yourself from false teaching!