Joyce Meyer – “Look at Her Fruit”

 joyce meyer look at their fruitJoyce Meyer – Let’s take a REAL GOOD LOOK at her ‘fruit’

Regarding Joyce Meyer and others, whenever genuinely concerned Christians warn others against false teachers and their false doctrines, the matter is usually put to rest with the adage “Look at their fruit.” The question we need to ask is: what do those who readily defend their favourite teachers and preachers with this ready-made adage, mean by “fruit?” When asked to define the fruit, most of them say it is:

  1. Their loving and compassionate disposition.
  2. Their kindness to others.
  3. Their positive attitude toward others by not putting them down and telling them they are lost sinners unless they repent.
  4. Their huge affluence and philanthropic zeal to help the poor. Joyce Meyer has become a very popular speaker. She certainly is one of the well-known and best-paid TV preachers (especially for women). Her ministry revenues have steadily increased from 1998 where they took in 40 million, to 1999 they brought in 55 million, to 2000 70 million, to 2001 near 80 million, to 2002 near 90 million. Today her Life in the Word organization estimates to take in $95 million this year. The ministry says it spends about 10 percent – $880,000 a month – on charitable works around the globe.
  5. Their spiritual influence on especially the downtrodden, the downhearted, the ones who hurt and have been emotionally strained by bad experiences during their youth or adult life.
  6. The alleged results they get in their healing ministries.


It is very important to distinguish between biblical preaching and motivational talks. The latter leans heavily on the “preacher’s” own experiences in life. Their experience of unhappy and ill-fated circumstances form the basis of their teaching. Ironically, this is precisely how Joyce Meyer sways and controls her mainly female audiences. It is the stories from her personal history – her abuse as a child, her failed first marriage – that resonate with her female audiences.

Women resonate more easily with Joyce Meyer’s messages than men men because they usually suffer the most in divorce and child abuse cases. Here now follow some of the uplifting and inspirational quotes from Joyce Meyer’s sermons (if you can call them that).

“I believe confidence is all about being positive concerning what you can do – and not worrying over what you can’t do. A confident person is open to learning, because she knows that her confidence allows her to walk through life’s doorways, eager to discover what waits on the other side. She knows that every new unknown is a chance to learn more about herself and unleash her abilities.”
Joyce MeyerThe Confident Woman Devotional: 365 Daily Inspirations

Note that her inspirational or motivational talks focus mostly on the person’s self-esteem. She uses metaphors – like walking through life’s doorways to discover what waits on the other side – that have no meaning whatsoever but make women feel better about themselves anyway. In fact, a psychologist or psychiatrist can learn from them quite a bit.

A woman I spoke to recently told me that she sensed something was desperately wrong when her emotions played havoc with her. She went to God and prayed, “Why do I feel so pumped up and full of emotional energy when I attend the meetings at our church but when I’m at home alone these feelings disappear and I grow despondent, unhappy, empty and unfulfilled?” She likened her experience to a huge floating bubble which, when pricked with a sharp object, vanishes into thin air.

God showed her that her uncontrolled emotions were manipulated by the crafty pep talks of her pastor and that everything he taught, was designed to steer her away from the cross of Christ. She broke before the Lord and confessed her reliance on her own self-worth, self-importance, self-confidence and self-reliance and was instantly restored to a right relationship with God.

The word “confidence” means to rely on yourself, to be self-assured. In fact, it means to believe in yourself. Jesus said that we should rely on his Father and Him alone (John 14:1), to focus our eyes on Him and to deny ourselves, take up our cross daily and follow Him. (Hebrews 12:2; Luke 9:23).

Self-esteem, self-worth, self-reliance, self-importance and everything else that pertains to self is wholly incompatible with the cross of Jesus Christ. In fact, the SELF is the worst enemy of Christ’s cross. Anyone who promotes these things in their sermons, motivational talks, connect groups in church, and Bible studies are not preaching the Gospel of God, but another gospel that cannot save.

Taking up the cross does not relate to hardship, infirmities, bad experiences and the likes. To take up your cross means to die daily to yourself so that Christ may live in you. (Galatians 2:20). God says that our hearts are deceitful above all things and desperately wicked, who can know it (Jeremiah 17:9). Self-confidence relies on the heart we do not or cannot know and is desperately wicked.

“Sometime we get so addicted to murmuring about the past and blaming the past for everything that we miss our whole future. You’re not going to enjoy your future, and you’re not going to enjoy your right now, if all you can do is be guilty and ashamed and afraid of your past.”
Joyce MeyerThe Confident Woman Devotional: 365 Daily Inspirations

I wonder what Brother Paul would have said about this statement. Indeed, we should no longer linger in the past and feel sorry for ourselves because of all the bad things that happened to us. However, the motive for letting go bad past experiences is not to gain and enjoy a better future.

The only reason why you should forget and let go your ill-fated experiences in the past is because – when you get saved – you are a new creation in Christ, the old things have passed away and all things have now become new (2 Corinthians 5:17). It simply means that your purpose in life is no longer focused on the satisfaction or enhancement of yourself and your future but to turn your back on the old things that kept you away from God’s will for your life and to now seek and live for his will, no matter what the future may hold for you.

Paul’s future was spelled out for him in very distinctly and in clear-cut language the day when he was saved.

“But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name’s sake.” (Act 9:15-16).

Many Christians are suffering this very moment because they love Jesus Christ. They have lost everything and will probably never have a bright future on this planet ever again. Yet they do not feel sorry for themselves; they rejoice in the Lord. (1 Thessalonians 5:18; Acts 5:41).

I wonder what would happen if Joyce Meyer taught her women audiences that suffering for and in behalf of Jesus Christ is part of a Christian’s life. Her audiences would probably immediately decrease from 25 000 to a beautiful round zero.

The most dangerous thing about Joyce Meyer’s teaching is not that she ignores or sets aside Bible truths but that she often quotes Bible verses in conjunction with her own superimposed views on them, for instance “confidence.”

On one of the sites that promotes Joyce Meyer’s teaching they quote her own devotional quotes together with her quotes from the Bible. Guess what? Her Bible quotes receive zero, zilch, nada likes or smileys while her own devotional quotes receive up to 54. What does that tell us? It tells us that her own devotional sayings have a greater impact on women’s lives than God’s Word. (Read more here).

Perhaps we ought to rehash Jesus’ profound words in Matthew 4 and rather have Him say:-

But he answered, “It is written, “‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of Joyce Meyer and her Word of Faith buddies.'” (Matthew 4:4).

This, at least, is the message one gets when we take into account that her quotes from the Bible receive absolutely no likes from her fans.

“I believe people give their mistakes more power than they need. We should admit them, repent, and ask God to forgive us for them. We should also learn from our mistakes because by doing so, they can add value to our lives. Instead of allowing mistakes to make you feel guilty and bad, let them be your teacher, and always remember that just because you make a mistake does not mean you are a mistake.”
Joyce MeyerThe Confident Woman Devotional: 365 Daily Inspirations

Apart from the fact that the words “mistake” and mistakes” never even once appear in the Bible, her use of these words imply that sin is merely a little mishap – a glitch or a hiccup we can learn from. Sin is not merely a little mishap or a glitch or hiccup from which we may learn. Sin is in essence the transgression of God’s Law.

It is a transgression against Him and Him alone (Psalm 51:4) and needs to be repented of, and what’s more, it needs to be forsaken altogether. (Proverbs 28:13). How can you learn from something that separates you from God (Isaiah 59:1-2) and needs to be forsaken completely?

What can you learn from the sin of using God’s Name in vain, for instance, when his commandment “Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain” already teaches you not to do it? Ah! But of course – experience is supposed to be your teacher these days and not the Word of God because the Bible is supposedly too paternalistic (patriarchal) and too condescending (patronizing).

Most women do not like the patriarchal overtones in the Bible. What they want is a more feminine touch because women are more sensitive to the spiritual and emotional needs of women than men – so they say.

This is one of the main reasons why men and women are separated in Bible studies, camps, conferences etc. Angus Buchan, the South African evangelist’s Mighty Men Conferences are limited to men folk only. This is not biblical and in fact a breeding ground for all kinds of heretical teaching.

Joyce Meyer continues to say that we should not allow our mistakes (sins) to make us feel guilty or bad but to let them be our teacher and always to remember that just because you make a mistake does not mean you are a mistake. Let’s assume Joyce means that our mistakes are in fact sins. In that case we may transliterate her statement as follows, “and remember just because you sin does not mean you are a sinner.” In fact, she believes she is no longer a sinner. Jesus said that the Holy Spirit was sent for the purpose to reprove (convict) the world of sin, righteousness and judgement. The word “elegchoÌ„” means to “make one feel guilty.”

Therefore, one of the Spirit’s ministries is to convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment. In fact, no one can be truly saved unless he or she is convicted (cut to the heart) and realizes (under the conviction of God’s Spirit) that he/she is a lost sinner, guilty and on their way to hell, and that they will eventually land up in hell unless they repent and truly receive Jesus Christ as their Saviour.

Jesus said that only those who are sick will go to a physician (Luke 5:31). The heart of mankind is so deceitful and wicked above all things that it always tells you not to feel bad about yourself. You’re OK and all you need to do is to learn from your mistakes. Moreover, Joyce Meyer’s statement “remember that just because you make a mistake does not mean you are a mistake” is totally unbiblical as well. What she is saying, is what she has been saying about herself all along.


“I am not poor. I am not miserable and I am not a sinner. That is a lie from the pit of hell. That is what I were and if I still was then Jesus died in vain. I’m going to tell you something folks. I didn’t stop sinning until I finally got it through my thick head I wasn’t a sinner anymore. And the religious world thinks that’s heresy and they want to hang you for it. But the Bible says that I am righteous and I can’t be righteous and be a sinner at the same time.”

Joyce Meyer is definitely not from God. How do we know? Well, God Himself says so.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. (1 John 1:8-10).

To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. (Isaiah 8:20).

If the truth and the Word of God is not in you, you are NOT saved and lost, unless you repent of your evil ways. Period. Hence the Holy Spirit cannot and will not produce his fruit in you.

God said to Israel:

Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the LORD; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the LORD, and I will not keep anger for ever. Only acknowledge thine iniquity, that thou hast transgressed against the LORD thy God, and hast scattered thy ways to the strangers under every green tree, and ye have not obeyed my voice, saith the LORD. (Jeremiah 3:12-13).

God says you only need to acknowledge (admit) that you are guilty and to repent so that He may pardon and save you. Joyce Meyer says: No! We should not allow our mistakes (sins) to make us feel guilty and bad. And she makes millions upon millions of dollars with her deliberate twisting of Scripture? Why?

I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. (2 Timothy 4:1-4).

According to God Himself, Joyce Meyer is not saved and therefore cannot possibly be from Him.


In contradistinction to motivational speeches of which the design is to uplift, pep up, add zest, and give your life a bit of a zing, Biblical preaching of the unadulterated Gospel of God does the exact opposite. It is not designed to make sinners feel good or better about themselves. In fact, if the Gospel does not make you feel ill at ease and guilty then you are not preaching the Gospel of God but another Gospel. The Word of God which is sharper than a two-edged sword must pierce you to the dividing of spirit and soul and joints and marrow. (Hebrews 4:12).

It is said that the knife the High Priest used in the Old Testament to slaughter the sacrificial animal during their offerings, was a very sharp knife, even to the extent that it could cut through bone, exposing the marrow to the bright rays of the sun. The Word of God works in the same way. It reveals and brings to light the innermost part of your being and reveals your secrets.

Remember the Samaritan woman who Jesus met at Jacob’s well and asked her to give Him water? When she eventually realized that He was the Messiah and got saved, she returned to her hometown and said to her fellow-citizens, “He told me all that I ever did.” And that’s precisely why Jesus said:-

“And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. (John 3:19-20).

Instead of coming to the light of Jesus to have their sins reproved and forgiven, multitudes of women listen to Joyce Meyer who tells them they are not sinners. Her works are NOT the fruit of the Spirit but are evil and downright demonic.

When Jesus promised to send the Holy Spirit as the Comforter, He did not intend that He would compromise the Gospel to accommodate your carnal needs and emotions. The way the Holy Spirit comforts is to first convict you of your sin, God’s righteousness and judgment and then to lead you to the cross where Jesus paid for your sins in full.

You cannot come to the cross for your salvation unless you first realize and acknowledge that you are a lost sinner on your way to hell because you deserve to be cast into hell for all eternity. Paul said that he was “determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.” Why? Because the cross of Christ, an instrument of death, is the power and wisdom of God. (1 Corinthians 1:18).

The Word of Faith preachers have not only compromised the Gospel but have also taken away or diminished the offence of the cross. (Galatians 5:11). And the way they do it seems so biblically correct that most women who listen to Joyce Meyer have swallowed her lies hook, line and sinker. This is how Joyce Meyer and her compatriots in the Word of Faith Movement interpret the cross.

One day, upon a cruel cross, the crystal Christ-the paragon of virtue-was transformed into a defiled demoniac. The lamb became a serpent[1] and was ushered into the very bowels of the earth. There Christ was tortured by Satan and his Minions.[2] And all hell laughed.[3] Little did Satan know, however, that the last laugh would be on him. For just as Adam had fallen for Satan’s trap in Eden, now Satan had fallen for God’s trap in hell.[4]

You see, Satan had blown it on a technicality. He had dragged Jesus into hell illegally.[5] Satan had completely forgotten to consider that Jesus had not actually sinned. Jesus had merely become sin as a result of the sin of others. Alas, Satan and his demonic hosts had tortured the emaciated, poured out, little, wormy spirit of Christ without legal rights.[6]

This was exactly the opening God had been looking for. Seizing the moment, God spoke His faith-filled words into the bowels of the earth. Suddenly the twisted, death-wracked spirit of Jesus began to fill out and come back to life. He began to look like something the Devil had never before seen.[7]

There, in the sinister presence of the evil one himself, Jesus began to flex His spiritual muscles. As a horde of whimpering demons looked on, Jesus whipped the Devil in his own backyard. He snatched Satan’s keys and emerged from hell as a born-again man.[8]

Listen to Joyce Meyer’s view of the cross

If this is the Gospel truth, then Jesus is a liar who said He accomplished all of his Father’s will – not in hell – but on the cross. When He cried out on the cross “It is finished” he used the Greek word “Tetelestai” which means “paid in full.” He paid the ransom for our sins in full on the cross – AND NOT IN HELL. In fact it was his Father who dealt Him the death blow on the cross and not human hands.

Yet it was the will of the LORD to crush him [on the cross]; he has put him to grief; when his soul makes an offering for guilt, he shall see his offspring; he shall prolong his days; the will of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. (Isaiah 53:10) (Please read here).

Furthermore, He never said that the man next to Him on the cross would be in hell with Him that very same day. He said “Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.” (Luke 23:43). However, the conniving thief and murderer, Satan, has inspired the Word of Faith preachers to move the comma so that the verse reads as follows: “Verily I say unto thee today, you shalt be with me in paradise.”

Why would He have said “I tell you today, not tomorrow, next week or next year, but today” when everyone knew he spoke these words on that particular day? There was no need to say to them “I say unto thee today, . . . when that day was known to all, and especially to the thief on the cross.


First of all, we must make it abundantly clear that the good fruit mentioned in the Bible, is the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23). It is interesting to note that the very next verse (24) provides the condition which God’s children should meet in order for the Spirit of God to produce his fruit in them. “And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.” (Galatians 5:24).

We cannot expect the Holy Spirit to produce his fruit in us if we do not deny ourselves, take up our cross daily to follow Him. (Luke 9:23). This in turn means that the Spirit will never produce his fruit in anyone who misrepresents the cross of Christ in salvation, because the Spirit will never circumvent the cross and its work in believers’ lives to produce his fruit in them. The Spirit’s fruit is intrinsically embedded in the cross.

You cannot minimize the meaning of the cross and add something else to it to make it effective. We have already seen that this is precisely what Joyce Meyer and all the other Word of Faith teachers are doing. They belittle the cross of Christ, which is the power and wisdom of God, and have added to it the notion that Christ did not accomplish our salvation on the cross but in hell.

It must be said once again: The Spirit of God will never produce his fruit in those who twist the biblical meaning of the cross which is nothing else than a deliberate denial of the power and wisdom of God. In fact, it is blasphemy of the worst kind.

An important question we must ask, is, can Satan produce fruit in peoples’ lives that look like the fruit of the Spirit? The short answer is, yes! Buddhists are among the most compassionate and loving people on earth. The Dalai Lama’s main objective in life – so he says – is to spread compassion and love. Dare we say it is the Holy Spirit of God who engenders compassion and love in his life? Judge for yourself whist you read the following:

And what I am doing I will continue to do, in order to undermine the claim of those who would like to claim that in their boasted mission they work on the same terms as we do. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, transform themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds. (2 Corinthians 11:12-15).


In conclusion we must again look at Joyce Meyer’s “wisdom” quoted above,

“I believe confidence is all about being positive concerning what you can do – and not worrying over what you can’t do. A confident person is open to learning, because she knows that her confidence allows her to walk through life’s doorways, eager to discover what waits on the other side. She knows that every new unknown is a chance to learn more about herself and unleash her abilities.”
Joyce MeyerThe Confident Woman Devotional: 365 Daily Inspirations

A confident person is open to learning? Really? This is what the Bible says,

Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. (2 Timothy  3:5-7).

Why are they unable to learn God’s Truth? Well, silly women usually are more concerned about learning about themselves to unleash their so-called abilities (whatever that may mean) than about God and his everlasting Truth.

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. (Revelation 18:4-5)

[1] Charles Capps: “The sinless son of God became as a serpent that He might swallow up all evil…. If you will behold what happened when the sin offering was made and the fact that Jesus became a serpent upon the pole, it will change your I ife…. Jesus died spiritually, not to any of His own sin! He became the serpent on the pole, the snake on the ground, in the Old Testament type.” (Authority in Three Worlds, 177, 166-67.)

[2] Paul E. Billheimer: “The Father turned Him over, not only to the agony and death of Calvary, but to the satanic torturers of His pure spirit as part of the just dessert of the sin of all the race. As long as Christ was ‘the essence of sin’ he was at Satan’s mercy in that place of torment…. While Christ identified with sin, Satan and the hosts of hell ruled over Him as over any lost sinner. During that seemingly endless age in the nether abyss of death, Satan did with Him as he would, and all hell was ‘in carnival.”‘ (Destinedfor the Throne, special edition for TBN [Fort Washington, PA: Christian Literature Crusade, 1988 (orig. 1975)1, 84.)

[3] Charles Capps: “If there’s any part of hell Jesus did not suffer, you’ll have to suffer it. But, thank God, Jesus suffered it all, for you! In the place of the wicked dead, all the demons of hell and Satan rejoiced over the prize. The corridors of hell were filled with joy. ‘We’ve done it! We’ve captured the Son of God! We’ll no longer be in the pit of the damned! The earth and all that is therein is ours! Forever it will be ours!’ Rejoicing in hell had never been so great as it was that day. But it was short-lived.” (Authority in Three Worlds, 143, emphasis in original.)

[4] Kenneth Copeland: “Satan didn’t realize He [Jesus] is in there [hell] illegally…. This man had not sinned. This man has not fallen out of the covenant of God, and He had the promise of God for deliverance. And Satan fell into the trap. He took Him into hell illegally. He carried Him in there [when] He did not sin.” (“What Happened from the Cross to the Throne” [Fort Worth, TX: Kenneth Copeland Ministries, 19901, audiotape #02-0017, side 2.)

[5] Charles Capps: “When Jesus was in the pit of hell, in that terrible torment, no doubt the Devil and his emissaries gathered around to see the annihilation of God’s Son. But in the corridors of hell, there came a great voice from heaven: ‘Turn Him Loose! He’s there illegally!’ And all of hell became paralysed.” (Authority in Three Worlds, 143, emphasis in original.)

[6] Kenneth Copeland: “He [Jesus] is suffering all that there is to suffer. There is no suffering left apart from Him. His emaciated, poured out, little, wormy spirit is down in the bottom of that thing [hell]. And the Devil thinks he’s got Him destroyed.” (“Believer’s Voice of Victory” program [21 April 1991]. This message was originally delivered at the Full Gospel Motorcycle Rally Association 1990 Rally at Eagle Mountain Lake, Texas.)

[7] Kenneth Copeland: “That Word of the living God went down into that pit of destruction and charged the spirit of Jesus with resurrection power! Suddenly His twisted, death-wracked spirit began to fill out and come back to life. He began to look like something the devil had never seen before.” (“The Price of it All,” Believer’s Voice of Victory 19, 9 [September 19911:4.)

[8] Kenneth Copeland: “He [Jesus] was literally being reborn before the devil’s very eyes. He began to flex His spiritual muscles…. Jesus was born again-the firstborn from the dead the Word calls Him-and He whipped the devil in his own backyard. He took everything he had away from him. He took his keys and his authority away from him.” (Ibid., 4-6.)

Tom (Discerning the World)

Discerning the World is an internet Discernment ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa that was founded in 2008. Tom Lessing originally founded the website “Waak en Bid/Watch and Pray”. Tom Lessing joined Discerning the World in May 2013 and all his articles were moved across to DTW.

14 Responses

  1. annette says:

    please send me your emails
    I like your articles
    Thank you

  2. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    Thank you Annette. I will sign you up to receive emails.

  3. Austin Hellier says:

    Hello Debora,
    I see that you’ve incurred the wrath of Jacob Prasch… That’s how I found your website, Googling around looking at the latest on him and his antics.

    As for Joyce Myer – it’s one thing to look at her “fruit” – but just look at her house, or rather her compound…

    Hidden right down the bottom of that list of false prophets in the world today, is a picture of that compound and there are numerous articles and blog sites online that expose her extravagance.

    I know what you mean about women being heavily influenced by her. She makes it look so easy to be ‘spiritual’ and wealthy at the same time, but that just doesn’t sit right with me.

    Please note – I do NOT endorse the website that this link points to, for obvious reasons.

    Austin Hellier
    Brisbane Australia

  4. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    Thank you for commenting I really appreciate it. Yes I incurred some serious wrath from JP. *sighs* When He he gets angry he sure does go ‘postal’ on people O_O

    Thank you for that link – very informative.

    I sometimes wonder about the guy that runs Jesus is Saviour website and if all that stuff if really true…

  5. Kris R says:

    Look at her face, it has been said before but she looks like Jack Nicholson as the Joker from the 1989 Batman movie. Also this makes all christian women look bad, she rules over the effeminate psuedo christian men, does not believe the Bible, teaches women to be Jezebel dogs etc. etc. – A representation of the typical American woman of today. Repulsive, tough to even look at this [removed]. ( The very, very, small ….. very small remnant of actual Godly women are disgusted ) – The short militant lesbian haircut ( yuk ) is all it should take to repulse the Bible believing christian, the fact that she calls herself a “pastor” or “teacher” – again should be enough to keep away Gods true sheep. The evil women rule over the men, and the effeminate psuedo christian men love to have it so.

    prayer and fasting

  6. Connie Neu says:

    We should not be putting her down 4 her haircut, looking like the joker etc..In 1999 I got saved or I should say I came back 2 Jesus becuz of Joyce Meyer..I was raised in Church and loved the Lord but I went out into the wilderness for many years not knowing who I was in Christ etc..I was lost and sinning terribly 4 years..I would watch her briefly on TV and listen..She used the Bible a lot back then and her ministry was called Life In The Word..Long story short..I will be grateful 2 her always as she pointed me 2 Christ regardless of anything else..I dont watch her or follow her today…She is a pretty amazing person for what she went through..I hope She wakes up if that is what she needs to do..She trys 2 help People and She Loves Jesus with everything she has..

  7. Connie says:

    Kris R you are stoning Joyce and way 2 harsh..Loving Christians do not tear People apart like that..IM not a follower of Joyce Meyer…

  8. So, you are not a follower of Joyce Meyers but you don’t care a hoot when she deceives others who do follow her. Would you say this is harsh?

    Gal 1:8-9
    (8)  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
    (9)  As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

    How about this?

    Jud 1:11-13
    (11)  Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
    (12)  These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
    (13)  Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

    Take your pick.

  9. Connie Neu wrote

    was lost and sinning terribly 4 years.

    How could she have made you aware of sinning when she herself refuses to admit that she is a sinner?

  10. Koko says:

    @ Kris R. Hi there, Nothing in the bible said we should comment on other peoples looks so it’s out of order to do so with Joyce. Let’s stick to exposing false doctrines and false teachers. This can be done without insults. Bless.

  11. Koko, You are so right. we should expose false doctrine where necessary and not insult people.

  12. Kobus Grové says:

    Seeing that you identify false teachers and prophets I am surprised that you have not picked up on Francois du Toit and his mirror word ministries

    They teach the gospel of inclusion, there is no hell , there is no second comming, the whole world is saved no matter which god you believe in, Christ is in everyone,and Christ is not the sacrificial Lamb.

    I would like to hear your comments on the above

    Kind regards
    Kobus Grovè

  13. Kobus Grové

    Well, what Francois du Toit believes and teaches is obviously totally anti-God and anti-biblical, and therefore the teaching of the spirit of anti-Christ.

    But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. (Gal 1:8-9).

    Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. (2Jn 1:9-11)

  14. Hi Kobus

    There are million of false teachers, we try go after the ones that the Holy Spirit leads us to look at.

    I am sure someone will google “Francois du Toit” and find your comment where you have exposed his ministry, thank you :)

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Terms and Conditions for Submission of Comments

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Because this world is becoming more evil by the minute and Discerning the World is coming under attack more often from people with some very nasty dispositions, we now have ‘Terms and Conditions for Submission of Comments’ which you need to agree too before you can comment – this is to protect us and you when you comment on this website.  If you are not here to harm Discerning the World and it’s authors, please by all means comment, however if you are here to cause harm in any way, please don’t comment.

The following conditions does not mean that the authors of Discerning The World permit only opinions that are in agreement with us. This also does not mean that we fear dissenting opinions or ideas that are contrary to the beliefs that we hold (and/or that of the revealed Scriptures of the Holy Bible).

The following describes the Terms and Conditions applicable to your use of the “Comments” submission service at the Discerning the World website.


  1. Discerning the World owns and operates the site (the “Site”). Your use of the features on the Site allowing for submission of a “Comment” is subject to the following terms and conditions (the “Terms”). Discerning the World may modify these Terms at any time without notice to you by posting revised Terms on the Site. Your submission of a “Comment” to the Site following the modification of these Terms shall constitute your binding acceptance of and agreement to be bound by those modified Terms.
  2. By submitting a “Comment” you are accepting these Terms through your clicking of the “POST COMMENT” button.
  3. Discerning the World has the right, but not the obligation, to take any of the following actions, in Discerning the World’s sole unfettered discretion, at any time, and for any reason or no reason, without providing any prior notice:
    1. Restrict, suspend or terminate your ability to submit “Comments,” to the Site;
    2. Change, suspend or modify all or any part of the Site or the features thereof;
    3. Refuse or remove any material posted on, submitted to or communicated through the Site by you;
    4. Deactivate or delete any screen names, profiles or other information associated with you; or
    5. Alter, modify, discontinue or remove any comment off the Site.
  4. You agree that, when using or accessing the Site or any of the features thereof, you will not:
    1. Violate any applicable law or regulation;
    2. Interfere with or damage the Site, through hacking or any other means;
    3. Transmit or introduce to the Site or to other users thereof any viruses, cancel bots, Trojan horses, flood pings, denial of service attacks, or any other harmful code or processes;
    4. Transmit or submit harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, deceptive, fraudulent, obscene, indecent, vulgar, lewd, violent, hateful or otherwise objectionable content or material;
    5. Transmit or submit any unsolicited advertising, promotional materials, or spam;
    6. Stalk or harass any user or visitor to the Site; or
    7. Use the content or information available on the Site for any improper purpose.
  5. You retain the Copyright of any “Comment” you submit to Discerning the World. By submitting a “Comment” to Discerning the World, you agree to grant Discerning the World a irrevocable, non-exclusive, royalty-free, perpetual license to use the material or commentary that you have submitted, in any medium and in any manner that Discerning the World may, in its sole unfettered discretion, choose.
  6. By submitting a “Comment” to Discerning the World, you agree to comply with the following rules concerning such submissions:
    1.  You agree not to include in your “Comment”:
      1. Any false, defamatory, libelous, abusive, threatening, racially offensive, sexually explicit, obscene, harmful, vulgar, hateful, illegal, or otherwise objectionable content;
      2. Any content that may be seen as stalking or harassing of any other Site contributors;
      3. Any content that personally attacks an individual. (An example of a personal attack is posting negative comments about an individual in a way meant to demean that person. Note that posting your opinion about someone’s ideas, doctrine or actions is not a personal attack);
      4. Any content that discloses private details concerning any person, for eg., phone numbers that have not been made public, photos that are not in the public domain, residential address that is not public, ID numbers, Social Security numbers, email addresses that are not in the public domain, etc.;
      5. Any content that you know to be false, misleading, or fraudulent;
      6. Any use of profanity;
      7. Any content including advertisements or otherwise focused on the promotion of commercial events or businesses, or any request for or solicitation of money, goods, or services for private gain;
      8. Any content that contains software viruses or any other computer code, files or programs designed to interrupt, destroy or limit the functionality of any computer software or hardware or telecommunications equipment; or
      9. Any content directly or indirectly soliciting responses from minors (defined as anyone under 18 years of age).
    1. If any part of the “Comment” is not your original work, it is your responsibility to add the name of the third party, name the book with page number or a link (url) to the website where you obtained the information.
    2. Your “Comment” may contain Copyrighted material, the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. You are however allowed to make such material available in your “Comment” in an effort to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc.  This constitutes a ‘fair use’ of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this Site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to:
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  8. You are solely responsible for the “Comment” you upload, post, transmit or otherwise make available to others using this Web Site. Under no circumstances will Discerning the World be liable in any way for any “Comment” posted on or made available through this Site by you or any third party.
  9. You understand that all “Comments” on this Site are pre-screened or moderated. That means that every “Comment” needs to be approved by Discerning the World before it appears in the “Comments” section.  This is not an automatic process.  Discerning the World does this for SPAM reasons.
  10. Discerning the World has the right (but not the obligation) in their sole unfettered discretion to remove any “Comment” that is posted on or available through the Site. Without limiting the foregoing, Discerning the World has the right to remove any “Comment” that violates these Terms or is otherwise deemed objectionable by Discerning the World in its sole discretion.
  11. You understand that Discerning the World in their sole unfettered discretion is not obligated and can not be forced in any manner, be it legal or otherwise to remove any “Comment” that is posted on or made available through the Site by you.
  12. When submitting a “Comment,” you will be asked to provide your name and your email address. While Discerning the World does not object to your use of a pseudonym instead of your actual name, Discerning the World reserves the right, but not the obligation, to reject, change, disallow, or discontinue at any time any submission name that, in Discerning the World’s sole unfettered discretion, is objectionable or inappropriate for any reason. Discerning the World requires the submission of your email address, but Discerning the World warrants that it will not publish your email address to an outside third party without your consent.
  13. Discerning the World does not sell or rent your personal information to third parties for their marketing purposes. From time to time, Discerning the World may contact you personally via email. Notwithstanding the foregoing, you acknowledge and understand that the “Comments” feature of the Site is designed to permit users to post information and commentary for public review and comment and thus you hereby waive any expectation of privacy you may have concerning any likeness or information provided to the Site by you.
  14. You are solely responsible for your interactions with other users of or visitors to the Site.
    1. Discerning the World shall have the right, but not the obligation, to monitor interactions utilizing the “Comments” facility of the Site, between you and other users of or visitors to the Site. You acknowledge and agree that Discerning the World, or any third party shall not be, and you shall not seek to hold them, responsible for any harm or damage whatsoever arising in connection with your interaction with other users of or visitors to the Site.
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    1. Discerning the World does not control, and makes no representations or warranties about, any third party content, including such content that may be accessible directly on the Site or through links from the Site to third party sites.
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