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Ray McCauley & Joel ‘Stop talking to God’ Osteen – Coca Cola Dome (23-24 Oct 2009)

joelolsteen-cocacolaoct2009 Ray McCauley

The time for only 2 DAYS OF HOPE draws nigh…

Updated  20th October 2009 (See notes at end of article)

Oh the invasion continues.  Joel ‘stop taking to God’ Osteen and a pack of friends are gracing us with their presence in October 2009 at the Coca-Cola Dome for a mere R325 if you pay for a ticket before the 5th April and R375 after the 5th April [2]. What a bargain!  Two days of nothing but Latter Rain and Emergent false teaching to transform your soul.

Besides the hefty price, notice the psychology – get it before the 5th April at R325 otherwise their teaching becomes more expensive after that date.  Do these people also work on inflation as well?  Hang on *whips out calculator* that’s an increase of 15.4% – way above inflation.  Oops sorry my fellow South Africans, it’s now the 29th May; you are gonna have to cough up more.

It’s so sad that it’s ONLY two days of hope.  So once they have left all hope is gone?  And what about before they arrived?  Hmm…

rayandzeldamccauleyAnyhow this entire event has been orgistrated sorry I mean organised by Rhema Church – Ray and Zelda McCauley.  You would think that Ray would have checked to see if Joel Osteen preached the true gospel of Jesus Christ.  Oh wait, he invited Jacob Zuma to his church to give a ‘why you need to vote for me speech’, so scrap that thought.

Quite frankly I would not expect anything less from Ray McCauley when it comes to making money and inviting heretics onto his stage to lead his already lost congregation even deeper into that deep, dark, thorny forest, of one world consciousness.

Now apparently there are going to be over 25 international guests at this celebration.  Let’s see who they all are:  Oh gosh, they don’t give all the names.  That’s a bit sneaky is it not? Buy your ticket then find out afterwards that they invited someone even more heretical than Joel Osteen.

Since I don’t have all the names let’s just go find about the ones that are mentioned. Actually I am just going to concentrate on Joel Osteen considering he is the top performer at this celebration.

I have found quotes made my Joel Osteen from TV interviews, Larry King Live and his book Your Best Life Now: 7 Steps to Living at Your Full Potential.  I have then taken the quotes and grouped them under different headings showing just exactly how ungodly this man is.   [Underlining emphasis added to quotes]

New Age, Emerging Church, Contemplative Spirituality, You are a little god in your Secret Place:

  • A lot of churches have not moved with the times.
  • I don’t want to just preach to the church. I feel like I have a broader message.
  • I try to speak in everyday language. I feel like God has gifted me to take Bible principles and make them practical.
  • People respond when you tell them there is a great future in front of you, you can leave your past behind.
  • To me, we’re marketing hope.
  • You can be happy where you are.
  • It’s vital that you accept yourself and learn to be happy with who God made you to be. If you want to truly enjoy your life, you must be at peace with yourself. [1]
  • When you are tempted to get discouraged, remind yourself that according to God’s word, your future is getting brighter; you are on your way to a new level of glory. You may think you’ve got a long way to go, but you need to look back at how far you’ve already come. You may not be everything you want to be but at least you can thank God that you’re not what you used to be. [1]
  • God will not pour fresh, creative ideas and blessing into old attitudes. [1]
  • You need to follow your own heart in light of God’s word and do what you feel is right and good for you. [1]
  • Keep in mind, just because you don’t know the answer doesn’t mean that one does not exist. You simply haven’t discovered it yet. [1]
  • You may be sitting around waiting for God to change your circumstances. Then you’re going to be happy, then you’re going to have a good attitude, then you’re going to give God praise. But God is waiting on you to get up on the inside. When you do your part, He’ll begin to change things and work supernaturally in your life. [1]

Word of Faith, Prosperity Gospel: Health and Wealth:

  • God wants us to prosper financially, to have plenty of money, to fulfill the destiny He has laid out for us.
  • If you give, you will be blessed.
  • If you want to rear financial blessings, you have to sow financially.
  • It’s God’s will for you to live in prosperity instead of poverty. It’s God’s will for you to pay your bills and not be in debt.
  • Don’t simply settle for what your parents had. You can go further than that. You can do more, have more, be more. [1]
  • God wants you to have a good life, a life filled with love, joy, peace, and fulfillment.  That doesn’t mean it will always be easy, but it does mean that it will always be good. [1]

Positive Confessions, Law of Attraction, Karma:

  • Choosing to be positive and having a grateful attitude is going to determine how you’re going to live your life.
  • If we say it long enough eventually we’re going to reap a harvest. We’re going to get exactly what we’re saying.
  • When you focus on being a blessing, God makes sure that you are always blessed in abundance.
  • Start calling yourself healed, happy, whole, blessed, and prosperous. Stop talking to God about how big your mountains are, and start talking to your mountains about how big your God is. [1]

Faith is a Force,  By Activating your faith you activate the god in you, You are a little god:

  • Faith activates God – Fear activates the Enemy.
  • You can change your world by changing your words… Remember, death and life are in the power of the tongue.
  • God didn’t make a mistake when He made you. You need to see yourself as God sees you.
  • You may make some mistakes-but that doesn’t make you a sinner. You’ve got the very nature of God on the inside of you.
  • We may get knocked down on the outside, but the key to living in victory is to learn how to get up on the inside.
  • You must reprogram your mind with God’s word; change that negative, defeated self-image, and start seeing yourself as winning, coming out on top. Start seeing that marriage as restored. See your business as flourishing. See your children as enjoying the good things of God. You must see it through your eyes of faith, and then it will begin to happen. [1]

Taking sides:

  • I don’t think that a same-sex marriage is the way God intended it to be.
  • I’m going to let God be the judge of who goes to heaven and hell.
  • I’m very careful about saying who would and wouldn’t go to heaven. I don’t know.

He thinks?:

  • I think Bible principles are principles for life.
  • I think God’s justice is making wrongs right.


  • I’ve never preached one sermon on money, on just finances. I want to stay away from it.
  • Prospering just doesn’t have to do with money.
  • You can be committed to Church but not committed to Christ, but you cannot be committed to Christ and not committed to church.

Contradictions galore:

  • If you’re not seeing God move in your life right now, one of two possibilities must be considered. Either your requests are not God’s best and will probably not be answered the way you’d like or it must not be the right time. If God were to answer that prayer the way you are hoping, it could interfere with his ideal plan for you. [1]
  • The sad truth is, if you push hard enough, and if you’re so stubborn that you must have things your way, God will sometimes allow you to undertake a project without His blessing or at the wrong time. The problem with that, of course, is when you start something in your own strength and in your own timing, you’re going to haveto finish it and maintain it in your own strength [1]
  • Don’t just accept whatever comes your way in life. You were born to win; you were born for greatness; you were created to be a champion in life [1]

Blasphemy, not that some of his other quotes aren’t:

  • If Jesus were here today, he wouldn’t be riding around on a donkey. He’d be taking a plane, he’d be using the media.

Can’t sin anymore:

  • We were old sinners – but when we came to Christ we are not sinners anymore.
  • God knows your value; He sees your potential. You may not understand everything you are going through right now. But hold your head up high, knowing that God is in control and he has a great plan and purpose for your life. Your dreams may not have turned out exactly as you’d hoped, but the bible says that God’s ways are better and higher than our ways, even when everybody else rejects you, remember, God stands before you with His arms open wide. He always accepts you. He always confirms your value. God sees your two good moves! You are His prized possession. No matter what you go through in life, no matter how many disappointments you suffer, your value in God’s eyes always remains the same. You will always be the apple of His eye. He will never give up on you, so don’t give up on yourself. [1]

Message of Sin, Repentance and Jesus Christ’s sacrifice on the Cross has been completely discarded:

  • If you know you have to wait anyway, why not make a decision to enjoy your life while you’re waiting? Why not be happy while God is in the process of changing things? After all, there’s nothing we can really do to make it happen any faster. We might as well relax and enjoy our lives, knowing that at the appointed time God is going to bring his plan to pass. [1]


  • When we don’t forgive, we’re not hurting the other person. We’re not hurting the company that did us wrong. We’re not hurting God. We’re only hurting ourselves. [1]

Well Ray McCauley, I do consider you to be a very intelligent man, with lots of degrees behind your name (I think).  When you hire someone to work for you, when you hire someone to come and baby sit your children, or when you support someone who is going to represent what you believe; surely you do a background check and you go find out what they are really all about?

Do they really adhere to the full gospel of Jesus Christ or do they preach another gospel that mocks and insults Jesus Christ and degrades the Word of God into a mere joke!

But then you did your checks, didn’t you.  You’ve read his books, you’ve heard what he has to say and this is why you’ve invited him to your platform and others who think like he does.  Because this is what you think too!

raymccauleythesecretplaceYour entire church from the beginning was based on Kenneth ‘Papa’ Hagin’s metaphysical Word of Faith teaching. Who  did a fine job of copying the writings of EW Kenyon. I wont even mention William Branham.  And now you and your church are finally coming into a new age, finally emerging, finally you are able to break free from the shackles of the Bible that have held you back.  Finally you can come out and make known your new one world view and throw off those old robes that have been weighing you down for so long.

It must have been really tough for you to keep hiding in at biblical corner for all these years.  But you have found a new secret place haven’t you?    Image of The Secret Place book: 



Updated  20th October 2009. 

We have just received news that the following people will be speaking at the the conference.   Ok we knew this for a while, but didn’t bother to post it because it’s being advertised.  But seeing as though everyone in South Africa is getting excited about this conference were thought we would help to just boost their advertisting a bit.  And maybe help people make a last minute decision that the money the spent to go is not worth the spiritual deception they are being sucked into.

  • Israel Huston and the NEW BREED  (Joel’s Army for those who don’t know what the New Breed really means.  This is Latter Rain Manifest Sons of God teaching.  For those who did not follow Todd Bentley’s Revival/Outpouring at Lakeland in Florida USA in 2008 now is the time to see what he taught and what happened to this so called godlyrevival.  Also see Rick Joyner, C Peter Wagner (Head Apostle for the New Apostolic Reformation) along with a whole host of other false teachers.  See categories on the left hand side of this blog for Chuck Pierce, Patricia King, JoAnne Fatter, Lou Engle (The Call) and tons of others.)
  • Joseph Prince (He has been at Rhema before see below)
  • Don Phillips, Moso Sono and Cindy-Cruise Ratcliff  (I have have no idea who they are, but quite obviously from the same flock)
  • At Boshoff (Making his debut I guess, bringing Word of Faith and the Emerging Church closer together in South Africa)

So where are the other international speakers, should be 25?  Hmm…oh well.

Here is a conference that Rhema held back in 2008 called ‘Radical Christianity’ and the speakers that attended:

Rhema Conference 2008 LogoRhema Conference Speakers







[1] Joel Osteen (Your Best Life Now: 7 Steps to Living at Your Full Potential)
Other quotes from :
Image of Two days of Hope conference:
Image of Ray and Zelda McCauley:,,3-975_2251143,00.html

63 comments to Ray McCauley & Joel ‘Stop talking to God’ Osteen – Coca Cola Dome (23-24 Oct 2009)

  • Roy

    I thank GOD that he has given all Christians (people reading blogs like these)common sense and a spirit of discernment. There is something seriously wrong with the author of this blog.

    Who gives anyone the right to be SO judgemental about people like Ps. Ray mcCauley, who is passionate about leading people to Christ, at every service or opportunity he gets?

    Most of us only know about these men of God what we read in the media and blogs similar to this, and cannot make such assumptions if we don’t have direct access to the person(s). Please redirect your energy to something positive…

  • Discerning The World


    >> There is something seriously wrong with the author of this blog.

    You are right, there is seriously something wrong with me and all other genuine born again Christains as per the NEW Christians out there who love wickendess and blatant false teaching. They love to mock the Bible and Jesus Christ the Son of God. Like Joel and Ray do…and you to do, considering you agree with their horrific, disgusting teaching!

    >> Please redirect your energy to something positive…

    Ah there we go, positive confession. Sorry I don’t have the power to direct things like you do, but seeing that you can I ask you to direct your energy elsewhere…like maybe towards cooling the earth…since this seems to be way more important that LOVING the Word of God and not following after evil teachers and their teachings.

  • Timothy

    You are not different from the past pharasees. i suggest you repent and ask God to forgive you. you might not see it but you are fighting againts God Himself by critisizing His servants. if you think there is something wrong with their teachings, why don’t you pray for them and then approach them personally than to post these foolish blogs? Repent or else you will be sorry. Men and women of God are known by their fruits.

  • Discerning The World


    I hope you are speaking about Joel Osteen and Ray McCauley. Must be cos they are the ones who insult Jesus Christ with their false teaching.

  • Discerning The World

    Oh you are one of those who judge others telling them not to judge…

  • Lance

    The author claims to be “born again” yet he judges people so blatantly!!! YOU WILL BE JUDGED!!! REPENT BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!!

  • Ebubu

    I read a few articles in your website. You claim to be genuine christians yet your site is about criticizing others ministers of the gospel. If for instance TB Joshua is fake, can you show us the real miracles? if God, the father of our Lord Jesus is almighty and you claim to know and your are like Jesus, why don’t we hear you doing the true works of God? I don’t think the ministry you received from God is about being the police man in the body of Christ. Focus on your calling, win souls for God, preach the true gospel, heal the sick, raise the dead, speak in new tongues. You will give account to God for your calling and they will answer to God on their own.

    thank you

  • Michael Anthony

    Shame on you all…

    Judge not? My answer is ‘twist not scripture lest you become like the devil’ Matthew 7 is talking about righteous judgement (taking the log out of your eye etc before turning towards others). In fact scriptures command us to test all things, prove all things. That is righteous judgement.

    Paul did not mince his words when warning against false teachers, in fact in later epistles he names false teachers BY NAME.

    Acts 20

    29 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves. 31 Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.


    That was the most ridiculous, shallow defense of whatever it is you were trying to defend.
    Show us real miracles? Are you that biblically illiterate? The generation that saw the 10 plagues, red sea parting, day and night miracles (should I go on?) PERISHED in the desert! Jesus said ‘ A WICKED generation (yup, if the shoe fits…) seeks after a sign. The greatest miracle is the work of the Holy Spirit turning revilers, murderers, robbers, rapists, pedophiles and beasts into repentant servants of the most high. FAITH (that he gives us) is greater than so called miracles.
    The power of God is in the preaching of the cross, the ‘foolishness of preaching’ the gospel, to paraphrase it. Not in miracles. Miracles will always be at God’s discretion, it took the secular media to expose the fraud that TB Joshua is, simply because the church is too blind to see. (Jesus did say, you say you can see therefore you are blind. It’s when you realize how vulnerable and susceptible to deception we as humans are and ask God to open our that we even begin to see…)


    So by judging the author of this blog you are exempt of the sin of UNRIGHTEOUS judging, right? No scriptural support for your accusation…Did it ever occur to you that the above mentioned teachers may actually be wolves in sheep’s clothing. Just a thought. You know, a distant possibility.


    [quote] ‘Men and women of God are known by their fruits’. Yep, and you cannot discern bad fruit from the real. I suggest that you repent and stop calling good evil and evil good. God kind of – well – he gets pretty angry at that.

    I have only been on this website for a day. I don’t see these accusations from the author of this blog, all I see I someone warning others of damnable heresies that are so prevalent in the church of Jesus. Read Matthew 13 – the parable of the tares and the wheat. 50% of the modern day church is filled with Satan’s ministers and false converts, yet they sound Christian, talk Christianese and mimick Christians. Can you tell the difference? Discernment is not a suggestion in the new testament…

    The seduction of Christianity is alive and well.

    May God grant us the wisdom to see what we are unable to see with human limitations and may he have mercy on our foolishness and disobedience for following things without accurately dividing the word of truth.

    A blind street singer in the 1930’s – Blind Willie Johnson – sang this song: ‘ I have a bible in my home, if I don’t READ it my soul will be lost…’
    (His sister taught him how to read with his fingers)

    The blind dude could see.

  • cecilia

    Michael Anthony: keep standing and don’t stop speaking!

    Ebubu and others: who says “the author” (and obviously those who “talk the same language”, who says they DON’t do these “works” that you all keep hammering on!? Last week we prayed for someone (won’t go into details), the Lord healed them. this Sunday we prayed for someone else, they are healed. A lady in my church, her daughter got married. They didn’t had money for a wedding. 1 mnth before the big day, people started streaming to their house, resulting in them receiving over and abundantly EVERYTHING they needed for a wedding, dress and suit for couple included! and all we did was to start praying about 2 mnths ago. Or is this not a miracle? (christians with Hindu background – they invite the whole church to a love-feast the day before the wedding – that’s the miracle!). I’ve prayed for the husband to be for almost a year now. the Sunday after the wedding, he told his wife they must find out when the next baptismal service is, he wants to declare his faith in “her God” and same time be baptised. Or is this not a miracle in your eyes? Stop being so foolish, you put God in a box, doing everything to “understand” how His mind work and how He moves and when. In it all not realising that if you can understand God, He won’t be God anymore, you will! Oh, I forgot, many sidelines of the new movements actually teach that we are little gods! I prefer the (old time, plain +) pure faith, in Jesus Christ as Lord and believing the Scripture as it is in my hand.
    for all those who keep hammering on us judging people, please read this Scripture (and there are others too):

    1 Corinthians 5:12-13 (New International Version)
    12What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.” and

    1 Corinthians 6:2
    Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases?
    and yes, I’ve read all the scripture on don’t judge, but then it also says “do judge” (my own words).

    DTW, keep standing! cecilia

  • Well, I appreciate very much that you are trying to warn the church about these heretics. I cannot believe it, that when you point out truth, people just will not accept it, but instead keep blindly supporting false teachers! Sigh.

    Keep contending, and may the Lord bless you and help you to continue without discouragement.


  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Thank you Rachel.

  • Niki

    Also just wanted to thank you for bringing this to light. I agree with your comments and pray that the Holy Spirit will bring revelation to our other Brothers and Sisters in Christ. Jesus said, let no one deceive you. I’m a firm believer that we are living in end times and that we will experience an increasing attach in our Churches, especially by False prophets & teachers.

    Thanks for your dedication and for spreading the truth!!!


  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Thank you Niki.

  • Wesley Inglis

    I am in the battle of my life with my family over this false doctrine. My family joined a church in National City that seemed innocent enough. Then the prosperity gospel abounded. They have even linked up with Joel Osteen, TD Jakes and Ed Young. I have listened to several sermons from Sergio De La Mora of Cornerstone Church of San Diego and the misuse of scripture in every sermon astounds me. How can no one hold him accountable for this!. My family invited me to a weekend event that was only about how to be a millionaire then a heretical healer Tim Storey did false healings. It was a sad event. My best guess is about $100,000 that day from people believing they would get a blessing ten fold what they gave. I spoke out to my family even wrote a letter describing in detail the misuse of scripture. This only creating anger from my family. They will not speak to me. This is typical of the result of a cult. I love my family and will hold firm to the Word of God. I pray they will listen to what is being preached and soon the scales will fall of thier eyes and realize they are being fed lies every Sunday. Prosperity Gospel and those seeking to get rich in money and not God is taking the American Church down. Please pray hard, time is short this is close to the end my friends

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)


    I sympathise. I have similar problem with one of my family. This person even physically hurt me (yeah like physically hurt me) because I asked them a simple question and quoted scripture. All you can do is pray. A very good book that will help you tremendously in contending for the truth is John MacArthur’s ‘Charismatic Chaos’. It helped another family member see the horror that it really is. Fortunately this person was willing to read the book, the other one will not entertain the idea. Pray and keep trying. It really hurts to be in this situation. So I know exactly how you feel.

    You are in my thoughts.

  • Elmarie A


    I can also identify with your problem. Also with family. It rips open my heart.

    Thinking of you to.

  • Amanda


    Chris Rosebrough at Fighting for the Faith did a program on Ed Young including a sermon review. It is not good. And still the congregation applaud him. Please listen to it. You have no option but to pray.

  • Shantal

    Whoever published this blog is incredibly insane!!
    You should stop judging the Men of God because U WILL BE JUDGED by the Him above oneday soon!
    I suggest you keep your nasty comments to yourself, rather than post sh!t like this. U seem to be a very bitter person…probably a satanist too…will pray for u.

  • Elmarie A


    You should stop judging the Men of God because U WILL BE JUDGED by the Him above oneday soon!

    “Should Christians judge the teachings of their leaders?”

    Answer: As Christians, we are commanded against following teachers blindly, but are told rather to “Test everything; hold on to the good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21). The apostle Peter warns us in 2 Peter 2:1-3 that there will be false teachers in our day just as there were false teachers in his day. Among their false teachings is a denial of the sufficiency of the sacrifice of Christ on the cross to take away sin, which is a common theme among cultists today. Another characteristic of false teachers is the greed which motivates them in everything they do. Paul offers a similar warning to the Ephesian elders in Acts 20:29-31, calling the false teachers “savage wolves” who mercilessly attempt to destroy the faith of the sheep and draw them away from the Shepherd. Paul warned them continually, pleading with them night and day to be on their guard against such deceivers.

    From these passages, we see clearly that we are to distinguish between true and false teachers. How then are we to do that? First, as Paul instructs the Ephesians, we are to “no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming” (Ephesians 4:14). Rather, we are to “become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ” and we do this by “the knowledge of the Son of God” (v. 13). The knowledge of Christ can only be obtained through the Word of God, and it is by that Word that we distinguish between the true and the false.

    In Matthew 7:15-20, Jesus offers some critical advice in discerning who is a false prophet: “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruits you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruits you will recognize them.” Plainly stated, is the teacher’s life marked by a progressive conformity to the likeness of Christ? Is the teacher bearing the fruits of the Spirit? Just as only good trees produce good fruit, so do only true teachers of Christ display the fruit of the Spirit—love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control (Galatians 5:22-23), whereas false prophets and teachers display the acts of their sinful natures (Galatians 5:19-22). By these fruits, we recognize true and false teachers.

    Secondly, does the teaching that is being presented conform to the message as proclaimed by the early church and the Apostles? As Paul writes to the church in Galatia: “I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!” These are harsh words indeed that Paul has for the false teachers, but eternal condemnation is what they store up for themselves until the day of God’s wrath (Romans 2:5-6).

    The apostle John tells us in his first epistle (1 John 4:1-6) how we are to discern which spirits are from God. “Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.”

    It is of utmost importance that Christians are well-grounded in the Scriptures so that they are able to discern which teachers speak from God and which are false in their proclamation. Only then can we reject what is false and “hold on to the good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21).

  • Elmarie A


    I suggest you keep your nasty comments to yourself, rather than post sh!t like this.
    U seem to be a very bitter person…probably a satanist too…will pray for u.

    Yikes how can you cuss and want o pray? The is not Biblical you know??

    “Is it a sin to cuss / swear / curse?”

    Answer: It is definitely a sin to swear (curse, cuss, etc.). The Bible makes this abundantly clear. Ephesians 4:29 tells us, “Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.”
    First Peter 3:10 declares, “For, whoever would love life and see good days must keep his tongue from evil and his lips from deceitful speech.” James 3:9-12 summarizes the issue: “With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God’s likeness. Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers, this should not be. Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring? My brothers, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water.”

    James makes it clear that the lives of Christians—the “brothers”—should not be characterized by evil speech. By making the analogy of both salt water and fresh water coming from the same spring (which is uncharacteristic of springs), he makes the point that it is uncharacteristic for a believer to have both praise and cursing come from his/her mouth. Nor is it characteristic for us to praise God on one hand and curse our brothers on the other. This, too, is uncharacteristic of a true believer.

    Jesus explained that what comes out of our mouths is that which fills our hearts. Sooner or later, the evil in the heart comes out through the mouth in curses and swearing. But when our hearts are filled with the goodness of God, praise for Him and love for others will pour forth. Our speech will always indicate what is in our hearts. “The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks” (Luke 6:45).

    Why is it a sin to cuss / swear / curse? Sin is a condition of the heart, the mind, and “the inner man” (Romans 7:22), which is manifested in our thoughts, actions and words. When we swear and curse, we are giving evidence of the polluting sin in our hearts that must be confessed and repented of. Thankfully, our great God is “faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9). When this happens, we receive a new nature from God (2 Corinthians 5:17), our hearts are transformed, and our speech reflects the new nature God has created within us.

  • Amanda


    Do you think God’s judgment is to be feared and why?

  • louise

    Joseph prince is that a stage name?????????

  • Bruce

    The Saga continues, now Ray and Zelda divorced are back together, after his surgery he asked her to move back home into his house, his room, and his bed, Rhema board fired him but At Boshoff of CRC Bloemfontein prevailed and Rsy was reinstated as long as he never contacted Zelda again, that lasted 1day and he was on her again.

    The church is having to lay off dozens of low paid workers and some have taken a package, Rays brother Alan has resigned from the board, it seems one McCauley has some integrity, the poor go while Ray gets around R450,000 a month package.

    How do I know all tis and much much more? Because Rays staff hate him and talk and tell everything, ten minutes after the Pastors were told about Ray and Zelda radio 702 called to find out what was going on.

    It’s time to go Ray do it quickly, do it now, stop bringing shame on the church.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)


  • Jessica

    If Joel Osteen, Ed Young Jr and T.D. Jakes are not Wolves in Sheep’s Clothing than I guess God was lying then.
    and we all know that God would NEVER lie.

    It AMAZES me that other Christians would rather defend these Charlatans then defend the one who shed his very blood for you.

    Just because the three “Pastors” I mention above APPEAR to be God Fearing, Following The Lord, Preaching scripture men does NOT mean that they are. Just because someone stand behind a pulpit does not mean that they are Christians.

    All three (Ed, Joel, T.D.) preach a false gospel. You will never hear them preach the Full gospel because if they did their “churches” would empty in no time flat.

    All three absolutely do not deserve to be considered a “Preacher”.
    They are Wolves waiting to devour Sheep.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)


    Right on!

  • Pope Paul

    He should have been jail a long time ago!!!, the money mad bastard. I will never forget meeting him at Margate airfield, where I had just hangered my aircraft. He then arrived in his Beachcraft Baron, well, I have never met a more disgusting man than him!!!!He was so demanding and rude, as if everyone should worship HIM!!!

    He used to smash peoples faces in for a living, nevermind his body building career???

    He was exposed for his false faith healing, now divoiced twice, and his followers still support him. Now I wonder, how insecure some humans are?????, What are they thinking?

    There is no difference between David Koresh, John Jones, Adolf Hitler, Mossolini, Starlin, etc.

    He just has’nt killed anyone yet, but he has taken all thier money, and given nothing back!!

  • Friend of Jesus

    Some of this discussion is startling.

    It’s been some 20+ years since ‘An Open Letter to Ray McCauley’ and ‘An Update On An Open Letter…’ were published in SA by ‘Truth Ministries’ (not the present SA one).

    Has it been forgotten that McCauley’s JDS teachings (denial of the Blood Atonement & Deity of the Lord Jesus) were presented from his own materials – yes, all in context? Has it been forgotten that after his fake ‘repentance’ he lied and claimed to get rid of all those materials, yet continued selling them?

    (For those who read the Letters you may recall that his slapdash ‘statement of repentance’ was sent to ‘Present Truth Ministries’ – an indication that his JDS ‘truth’ would prevail, and that he had the author, whose motive was to lead him to The Truth and protect the Body Of Christ from what McCauley had hidden/taught inside Rhema for years (while pretending to be a True Believer to all outside) arrested after that ‘repentance’.)

    Can we then expect that his continued association with Osteen et al is anything other than an indication that he has contiued to hide his own true ‘faith’ and is using others as the means to propogate the false doctrines while he appears to be ‘leading people to Christ’?

    After his sad second divorce, heart attack, and his son’s request for people to give him money ‘to bail his father out of debt’ as a gift for his 60th birthday.

    It is difficult not to see the Hand of God in his fall.

  • Chris

    Hi Debs, when I click on “At Boshoff – CRC” I find Joel Osteen, Ray Mc Cauly and Angus there is nothing about At and CRC.

    Could you please check.


  • Deborah (Discerning the World)


    I will do that asap.

  • In His Grip

    Hi Deborah,

    I don’t quite where to post this. Do you know who Bertie Brits is? His website is
    He seems to have quite a big South African following. I have a friend who is being hassled by one of his church members. He keeps telling her she isn’t saved because she thinks she’s under the law. According to him there is “no law; only grace. Only love.”

    Any pointers?

    Any pointers?

  • Robbie


    He also seem to endorse teachings of Reinhard Bonnke, John Grace and even Rodney H Browne> (they appear on his wall)

    PU “dropout” who went to bible school, became a Pastor. (Dynamic ministries indeed)

    One of his notes…
    “In the first years on ministry the greatest joy was to see miracles and the expansion of ministry”.

    And.. “Jesus is the truth – TRUTH IS HAVING NO CONSCIENCE OF SIN”

    I suppose Angus (AND Kobus) will retire soon?.. successor?

  • In His Grip


    Ya, thanks. I have had a bit more time to look into this guy and he seems to be a law unto himself. That’s ironic considering he’s totally anti any kind of law. It’s funny, people like Britts will tell you that believers are totally free from the law but that concept in and of itself is law to them. And that reminds me of occultist Aleister Crowley’s Book of the Law. The first commandment in that book is:

    Do what thou wilt; that shall be the whole of the law.

    It seems like these greasy gracers have come fool cirle.

  • Cecil

    I was watching TBN yesterday doing a bit of discerning of my own ,and jentezen franklin was advertising his dvd about bad habits had a Serpent on stage ,fully fed python crawling on stage as an “illustration” it used to be that if you saw a snake in church you run for the hills, now its become acceptable people are so gullible. He just had to use a large snake to illustrate.

  • Phil

    Sounds to me of jealosy and envy. You are lost man. You wasted a lot of time and effort and most of all there is hate and no love in this. A man of God does not hate even in time of correction. Read the Bible (God’s Word) before you continue to remove the log from your own eye.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)


    Who you talking too?

  • Michael

    Hi Debs…good to have you back…did write to you but I suppose you were so ill that it was impossible for you to keep up…you were constantly in my thoughts and prayers nevertheless and I trust you are now well.

    I came upon this article which I found very helpful especially for those in bondage to the word faith and charismatic teachings. I do not mean any offense or disrespect to those genuine saved Christians that are entrapped in these faulty doctrines (I was one of them ) but I found this article very direct and helpful and maybe you can post it here or under an appropriate topic…by Peter Masters:

    [Edited – I Michael I am going to use your article as a full article]

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Hi Michael

    Thank you so much. I knew you emailed me, I saw it. I just did not have the brain power to reply lol. I am ok now, but gotta take it slow. I am gonna use your article to post as a full article, it’s excellent, thank you. And I hope you are doing ok.

  • Michael

    Thanks Debs…Did not know Peter Masters is a Calvinist…I reject Calvin’s theology but the article here is not tainted with predestination and what he writes here is sound and has integrity.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)


    Not to worry, I know you reject the theology. I agree the article is good that’s why I put it up :)

  • Robbie

    oh you lookin good with the sword drawn again!!
    Hi Debs. Guess you didn’t get through all the mail yet.

    Welcome back.

  • EM

    Just found this website and thought I’d share my experiences with Word of Faith/Prosperity preaching.

    I spent 4 years at Hillsong in Sydney and left because God opened my eyes to the false gospel they were preaching. I confronted my leader there and was told that God does not expect us to be theologians.

    I almost died when she said that. Nuts.

    These days it would appear Hillsong have amended their website’s doctrinal statement so it appears to be sound, but word on the street is that they still don’t preach repentance from sin!

    Please DTW… keep on Hillsong’s back.

    People need to hear and be warned.


  • mouse

    “you will know them by their fruit” that is what the bible teaches us. I personally know one of these ministers that you have mentioned on this blog Don Phillips. This is a God fearing righteous man of God who has been instrumental in the revival that is taking place in the eastern cape. You mention this man as a heretic by mere association yet admittedly you say in the same sentence that you do not know him. What you are doing is not helpful to the body of Christ, please repent. Your blog is in no way producing good fruit.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)


    Clearly yo don’t know that Word of Faith preaching is false doctrine.

    Or are you telling me that Don Phillips was there declaring the gospel to the people and telling all these other false teachers that they preach false teaching and they need to repent?

  • Michael

    Trouble in the Wolf camp…”dog bites dog”

    Benny Hinn is very manipulative…what he says about Joel Osteen might be true but it is hypocrisy but it’s a case of the pot calling the pot (not kettle) black.

  • Africa

    Hi you guys,

    We have joined CRC – Christian Revival Church here in Africa. They are all under Pastor At Boshoff but our pastor is placed here under CRC London.

    We enjoyed the fellowship in church a lot but there is some serious issues with our Pastor that makes me uncomfortable.
    1. He only started the church a month and already started hammering on tithing. No messages for the baby-Christians to help them learn what to do after getting saved ect.
    2. He absolutely has no respect for his wife. They are both still young. He will buy anything he needs and she is never asked what she needs. If there is 1 chair he will ask her to get up (even while she is pregnant) and then sit himself down.This is just one of many examples!
    3. He keeps on hammering on HONORING your Pastor,that I understand and agree on, but he goes on to the point of being God.
    4. He keeps on hinting at local businesses that it would be nice to have this or that, but do not have the money to do so. (nothing to do with church, example: new tires or service for his car, GPS )This lead to the whole local people trying to avoid him and also dragging CRC’s name through the mud.
    5. If we try to talk to him about some of the issues, he behaves like a spoiled child and claims a lot of people has also been unhappy but came back to church and apologized that THEY were wrong.
    6. He also uses the “Pastor” ticket to enter places free or get things.

    I do not know what to do or where to turn. He said people can say what they want but, he has RSA and London to back him in everything.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)


    You will not be able to say what you want, if you do you will be cut down to size.

    The only option you have is to LEAVE. The problem is the church is built on a FALSE GOSPEL – Dominionism.

    Please read the following article, I know it’s a lot, but please read them…

    Yes, a Future Kingdom, but Not a Kingdom Now
    Latter Rain – Taking Dominion with another Gospel another Christ
    Christian Right Fuses with Apostolic Dominionism
    South Africans Reclaiming That Dominion Mandate To Dominate
    Are Prophets for Today or has Prophecy Ceased?
    False Foundation of Five-Fold Ministry
    Your Sons and Your Daughters Will Prophesy, But Not Yet…
    Telltale Signs that “Latter Rain” has Poured into Your Church
    The Gnostic Roots of the Latter Rain/Word of Faith Movement
    Do Angels Visit us Today?
    Speaking in Tongues
    Can Satan Heal?

  • Carolyn

    Anyone heard of this guy? I love how these guys make claims that things like raising the dead are happening all over the world…this one is supposed to have happened in Africa (Uganda) and according to him, people are being raised every where but in the west. The problem is…no dead people coming forward…don’t you think it would be big news especially for the secular media???

    The really shocking thing for me is the hook-up of Douglas Hamp with Randy Demain and Jo-anne McFadder on a cruise to the Carribean. I thought Doug Hamp was situated more in the orthodox end times camp, but this proves otherwise.

    If I was partial to people and personalities, (since I like Doug Hamp) I would overlook this blurring of the lines between kosher Biblical end time/rapture teaching and the Bridal Paradigm false teaching

    …but since I’m partial to the Word…I will be removing Doug Hamp from my favourites. Tsk. Keeping my eyes open…

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)


    Anyone heard of this guy? I love how these guys make claims that things like raising the dead are happening all over the world…this one is supposed to have happened in Africa (Uganda) and according to him, people are being raised every where but in the west. The problem is…no dead people coming forward…don’t you think it would be big news especially for the secular media???

    Amazing how all these ‘reaised from the dead’ miracles happen in FAR OFF PLACES – like in the land of SHREK where no one can verify because it’s all FANTASY.
    I have an article open here: Have You or a Loved One Been Raised From the Dead? It’s been open for years and no genuine zombie has come to PROVE to me that they were raised from the dead. People tell me about it, but when you ask for DA PROOF they disappear never to be seen again.

    The really shocking thing for me is the hook-up of Douglas Hamp with Randy Demain and Jo-anne McFadder on a cruise to the Carribean. I thought Doug Hamp was situated more in the orthodox end times camp, but this proves otherwise.

    If I was partial to people and personalities, (since I like Doug Hamp) I would overlook this blurring of the lines between kosher Biblical end time/rapture teaching and the Bridal Paradigm false teaching

    …but since I’m partial to the Word…I will be removing Doug Hamp from my favourites. Tsk. Keeping my eyes open…

    I tell you, we are going to see them fall like flies. People who we ‘thought’ were ok, change. What I have noticed is this. The plan of Satan is to start them out sounding pretty biblical, and he keeps them like that for years as they gather a large following, then slowly he starts to change and Satan knows that 90% of his followers will lap up his error. The other 10% will be pondering that there is something wrong and ultimately leave him and not touch him with a 10 foot barge pole when he apostasizes in all his glory and goes on a cruise ship with Jo-anne McFadder – New Age occultists extraordinaire.

  • Redeemed

    Yes, the signs and wonders crowd is alive and well. And the supposedly solid Bible teacher of today may turn on a dime tomorrow. It usually happens in stages, though and the signs are there if one will make it a point to be alert and not put trust in man.

    The truth is used as bait to reel ’em in ’cause most folks won’t fall for full-fledged lies. They have to be wrapped in respectability like a spoon-ful of poison laced with syrup.

    And oh the wrath that is unleashed upon those who dare to expose them and what they are serving.

  • Truthful Conversation

    I have had no respect for Ray McCauley since he divorced his first wife, years ago. It did not take him long to remarry Zelda, who was featured in a SA magazine, all dressed up to the hilt in designer clothes, in the luxurious surroundings of her home. There were rumours that Ray McCauley had been seen with Zelda before his divorce. Whether that be true or not, I still do not think he behaved very well concerning his ex, Linda.

    I should have seen the red flag when our pastor invited McCauley to preach at my church in Cape Town. This founding pastor went on to have two affairs, while at the same time he was having children with his wife. He was eventually ‘disciplined’, but he refused to publically apologise, and the last I heard of him, he was whisked off to live in a rather large house in America. His wife had forgiven him and she went with him, and with their children. It was only a few years after I left that church that I started to think about this pastor’s lifestyle. His cars, his big house, his children were schooled at the Christian private (expensive) school that the church had set up. When the church grew very large (as these evangelical word of faith churches do), I saw that he had a bodyguard.

    I actually loved my pastor and his wife, and at that time I was still very blind to many false teachings, including Word of Faith. After I left the whole mess came out, and I was quite shocked. But then again, when I thought about everything, things certainly fell into place.

    Without going into detail, I remembered things people had told me, things I had dismissed as nasty gossip. And please, don’t get me wrong, gossip is wrong, but then again, there is no smoke without fire. But, as I was not working at the time, I threw myself into church life, and when I looked back, certain things that I had seen for myself (and dismissed) all fell into place.

    Another example was a time when I was suffering from extreme postnatal depression. I had looked everywhere for help, and things were getting worse. I was in a truly terrible state. I was friends with the founding Pastor’s secretary, and she suggested I come into the office for him to pray over me. The day I went in, it was like a precision military operation! I was put in a room and told to wait.. the door was shut. After a while, this pastor, surrounded by several other pastors, (seemed more like a president with bodyguards) was quickly ushered into the room. He sat down and I think he asked me a few questions, with all these other men looking on, he prayed, and then, as quickly as he had come in, he was ushered out.

    I left and I can only tell you that I felt betrayed, hurt and bewildered. I know and agree with the fact that pastors and leaders should not be counselling women on their own. I would have been more than happy if that pastor had brought his secretary, my friend, into the room with him. Or even his wife. What shocked me was the overwhelming sense that he had done me some sort of favour by even deigning to see me, and then after this short prayer, I was left with no kindness, compassion or further counselling. It felt like I should now be ‘healed’ and that was that! Another false teaching there too! After this, I was expected to be healed, and I was treated very badly by my home group, when I was still ill and struggling.

    These Word of Faith, Prosperity teachers are all the same. I was so angry with MYSELF when I realised how I had been duped into giving more than I could afford.. and all the guilt I had suffered with this false teaching. I was hurt and angry about the treatment I had received, and I left the church and went my own way for a few years.

    With his expensive cars, designer suits,(big well fed tummy), glamourous wife and luxurious house, Ray McCauley is just another one of these wolves.

    The point of me writing this post, is not to slander or to ‘vent’ my hurt feelings. I would be honest and tell you that looking back, things do still hurt me. Inwardly I cringe at things that happened, betrayal of my confidence, humiliation at the backstabbing that went on.. lies that were told. One of my ‘friends’ even called my husband and told him to leave me. The point of this post is to (hopefully) wake Christians up to see the TRUE facts of Word of Faith, Prosperity and Healing teachings! They are lies from the pit of hell! And you can spot satan’s servants a mile off, if you have your truth goggles on.

  • Carolyn

    From Debs: “Amazing how all these ‘reaised from the dead’ miracles happen in FAR OFF PLACES – like in the land of SHREK where no one can verify because it’s all FANTASY.”

    LOL! That’s what I thought!

    Ya…but I’m still in shock…it will take awhile to comprehend the loss. Of course, I was already a bit aware of some strange things happening in the midnight sun…seeing as he has links with some others who are spouting fiction, with quantum leaps and deception mixed into orthodox end times teaching…

    I’m not so sure that all these prophetic end times conferences have been the best idea. Never been to one myself, but they seem like a strange brew, causing links to strange bedfellows and a blending of truth with toxic NA teachings.

    This article was an eye opener last year:

  • Carolyn

    Michael….perfect example of a hollow theology. This is how he snags true believers…they can hear some truth being preached. BUT….his fruit is rotten, he is unrepentant and all the free grace in the world isn’t going to get him into heaven.

    Matthew 7:22
    Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

    There isn’t a clearer example of a life that fits this description on the planet, although there are many others. But this one I believed and now that I have thoroughly investigated his heretical teachings and his obvious and well documented covetous ways and his lying prophecies, his talking to the dead(necromancy) and his preoccupation with angel encounters I can hardly listen to his theatrical performances and dramatic tall tales for more than two minutes.

  • Carolyn

    Addendum to my last comment: Just to be clear…I don’t believe that Benny Hinn was ever a true believer because he did not strive to enter at the narrow gate…He never had genuine faith which becomes clear from the fruit.
    Luke 13:23-25 NIV

    Benny Hinn embraced life on the broad road, same as all the other false prophets around and though he talks the talk, he does not walk the walk. If he continues on the broad road with evil fruit, he will hear Jesus say:
    Matt, 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)


    Benny was / IS a Catholic.

  • Carolyn

    Debs, re #55 – may be Catholic in character and association, but he does not represent himself as a Catholic except in an ecumenical way. He is a bona fide wolf teaching WOF doctrine and he is charismatic in signs and wonders, a charlatan in his practice of fleecing the sheep and mystical in his belief system. He is a man for all seasons, a man who for too many reasons can be seen as one who masquerades as an angel of light and transforms himself into whatever benefits the Benny Hinn Empire.

    2 Corinthians 11:13-15
    New International Version (NIV)
    13 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

    It has been said by our Lord that a man will either serve God or money….but not both at the same time. Can’t be done.

  • Marion

    Carolyn…I appreciate your observations and comments. Clearly you are a woman interested in truth and committed to discernment and revelation of error. That said, I notice in comment #54 above, in the use of the NIV…verse 25 reads…”Sir open the door to us.” the KVJ reads…”saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us;…”

    I believe we would all agree here, that Jesus, the master of the house, is not merely “sir” but of the truth…is “Lord.”

    Please check this link. I’m sure you will find the info helpful. (Use of this link is not an endorsement of the site, any person, group, “ministry” or philosophy…information only…(not coming from the KJV only camp either) [DTW note: I do not agree with this website at all, and would caution everyone who goes there to be uses discernment at all times. They are Calvinist.]

  • Carolyn

    Marion…thanks for the comment. Good catch…

  • Marion

    Hey Debs…thanx for that warning. Didn’t know anything about the site…didn’t poke around…just read this one thing only, and found the contents of IT reliable…hence my disclaimer. Your additional checking is much appreciated!

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Heya Marion

    I dunno what I was thinking when I wrote ‘they are anti-Isreal’ I meant to say, they are Calvinists. Now do no ask me how I managed to mess that up. When I thought about it this morning I thought, “hang on, that’s not right…” So I corrected it.

  • Mark

    Friend of Jesus
    It was so encouraging to see that someone still recalls the warning we put out in 1989-90 on Ray McCauley (your blog 28 January, 2011 at 9:15 am) – An Open Letter, etc. Praise God for His Goodness in using it! I am still astonished at some of the situations I encountered in J’bg. While speaking of the difference between the Blood Atonement and the Jesus Died Spiritually with one young lady in a sandwich bar near Joebert Park, she suddenly looked up and said ‘The Holy Spirit is telling me not to listen to you any more.’ Poor old Don Leonard, a stalwart at Rhema, came by the flat and gently took my hand and said ‘Markie, Markie, you are under a religious spirit Markie!’ Later, after McCauley’s sham repentance Don phoned me and said ‘He repented of everything you wanted him to.’ I assured him he hadn’t, then he said, ‘He had to go to Hell.’ to which I replied, ‘Don, the veil of the Temple was torn when Jesus was on the Cross!’, to which he replied in anguished voice., ‘No, Markie, no!!’
    May God strengthen His people and Bless them!!

  • Timothy wrote:

    You are not different from the past pharasees. i suggest you repent and ask God to forgive you. you might not see it but you are fighting againts God Himself by critisizing His servants. if you think there is something wrong with their teachings, why don’t you pray for them and then approach them personally than to post these foolish blogs? Repent or else you will be sorry. Men and women of God are known by their fruits.

    I just love the way you spell “pharasees.” Do you want to know what the Pharisees in the time of Jesus believed? You do? OK, let me tell you. They believed that health, wealth and prosperity was a sign of God’s special blessing upon them and that it proved they were saved. Adversely, they also believed that when you were poor and needy you were not saved because you were not as blessed as they were. Even the disciples of the Lord Jesus had been influenced by their abominable teaching. How do we know? The following instance in Jesus’ life proves this.

    And behold, a man came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?” And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.” He said to him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” The young man said to him, “All these I have kept. What do I still lack?” Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” When the young man heard this he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions. And Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly, I say to you, only with difficulty will a rich person enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.” When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?” But Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
    (Mat 19:16-26).

    Note the phrase “When the disciples heard this . . .” Heard what? “it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.” “But Lord, the disciples must have thought, “we have been taught that affluence was a sign of God’s blessings because He saved them, and now you tell us they will hardly enter the kingdom of heaven. If this is so, who then can be saved? Surely, poor people cannot be saved because they are destitute for lack of health, wealth and prosperity.”

    So, as you can see, Mr. Timothy, the real “pharasees” are not those who expose the real Pharisees. The real modern-day Pharisees are those who proclaim the heretical teaching that Christians are not supposed to be poor because poverty is allegedly a sign of spiritual poverty.

    So, you must decide – before it’s TOO LATE – whether you want to be one of the modern-day “pharasees” or not, because modern-day “pharaseeism” (like the Pharisees in the days of Jesus) are effectively closing the gates of heaven for you and millions of other “pharasees.”

  • poppy

    It is clear that people who oppose this bloq are core satanists.stop misleading the world and receive Jesus Christ of Nazareth as your Lord and saviour.Repent or is clear that freemasson religion is ruling the whole world.Stop deceiving the world.

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Because this world is becoming more evil by the minute and Discerning the World is coming under attack more often from people with some very nasty dispositions, we now have ‘Terms and Conditions for Submission of Comments‘ which you need to agree too before you can comment – this is to protect us and you when you comment on this website.  If you are not here to harm Discerning the World and it’s authors, please by all means comment, however if you are here to cause harm in any way, please don’t comment.

The following conditions does not mean that the authors of Discerning The World permit only opinions that are in agreement with us. This also does not mean that we fear dissenting opinions or ideas that are contrary to the beliefs that we hold (and/or that of the revealed Scriptures of the Holy Bible).

The following describes the Terms and Conditions applicable to your use of the “Comments” submission service at the Discerning the World website.


  1. Discerning the World owns and operates the site (the “Site”). Your use of the features on the Site allowing for submission of a “Comment” is subject to the following terms and conditions (the “Terms”). Discerning the World may modify these Terms at any time without notice to you by posting revised Terms on the Site. Your submission of a “Comment” to the Site following the modification of these Terms shall constitute your binding acceptance of and agreement to be bound by those modified Terms.
  2. By submitting a “Comment” you are accepting these Terms through your clicking of the “POST COMMENT” button.
  3. Discerning the World has the right, but not the obligation, to take any of the following actions, in Discerning the World’s sole unfettered discretion, at any time, and for any reason or no reason, without providing any prior notice:
    1. Restrict, suspend or terminate your ability to submit “Comments,” to the Site;
    2. Change, suspend or modify all or any part of the Site or the features thereof;
    3. Refuse or remove any material posted on, submitted to or communicated through the Site by you;
    4. Deactivate or delete any screen names, profiles or other information associated with you; or
    5. Alter, modify, discontinue or remove any comment off the Site.
  4. You agree that, when using or accessing the Site or any of the features thereof, you will not:
    1. Violate any applicable law or regulation;
    2. Interfere with or damage the Site, through hacking or any other means;
    3. Transmit or introduce to the Site or to other users thereof any viruses, cancel bots, Trojan horses, flood pings, denial of service attacks, or any other harmful code or processes;
    4. Transmit or submit harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, deceptive, fraudulent, obscene, indecent, vulgar, lewd, violent, hateful or otherwise objectionable content or material;
    5. Transmit or submit any unsolicited advertising, promotional materials, or spam;
    6. Stalk or harass any user or visitor to the Site; or
    7. Use the content or information available on the Site for any improper purpose.
  5. You retain the Copyright of any “Comment” you submit to Discerning the World. By submitting a “Comment” to Discerning the World, you agree to grant Discerning the World a irrevocable, non-exclusive, royalty-free, perpetual license to use the material or commentary that you have submitted, in any medium and in any manner that Discerning the World may, in its sole unfettered discretion, choose.
  6. By submitting a “Comment” to Discerning the World, you agree to comply with the following rules concerning such submissions:
    1.  You agree not to include in your “Comment”:
      1. Any false, defamatory, libelous, abusive, threatening, racially offensive, sexually explicit, obscene, harmful, vulgar, hateful, illegal, or otherwise objectionable content;
      2. Any content that may be seen as stalking or harassing of any other Site contributors;
      3. Any content that personally attacks an individual. (An example of a personal attack is posting negative comments about an individual in a way meant to demean that person. Note that posting your opinion about someone’s ideas, doctrine or actions is not a personal attack);
      4. Any content that discloses private details concerning any person, for eg., phone numbers that have not been made public, photos that are not in the public domain, residential address that is not public, ID numbers, Social Security numbers, email addresses that are not in the public domain, etc.;
      5. Any content that you know to be false, misleading, or fraudulent;
      6. Any use of profanity;
      7. Any content including advertisements or otherwise focused on the promotion of commercial events or businesses, or any request for or solicitation of money, goods, or services for private gain;
      8. Any content that contains software viruses or any other computer code, files or programs designed to interrupt, destroy or limit the functionality of any computer software or hardware or telecommunications equipment; or
      9. Any content directly or indirectly soliciting responses from minors (defined as anyone under 18 years of age).
    1. If any part of the “Comment” is not your original work, it is your responsibility to add the name of the third party, name the book with page number or a link (url) to the website where you obtained the information.
    2. Your “Comment” may contain Copyrighted material, the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. You are however allowed to make such material available in your “Comment” in an effort to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc.  This constitutes a ‘fair use’ of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this Site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to:
    3. If you wish to use copyrighted material from a website or any other medium for purposes to add to your “Comment” that go beyond ‘fair use’, you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. (Fair Use means you may quote from copyrighted sources, but you may not publish the whole article, book, etc., in your “Comment”.)
  8. You are solely responsible for the “Comment” you upload, post, transmit or otherwise make available to others using this Web Site. Under no circumstances will Discerning the World be liable in any way for any “Comment” posted on or made available through this Site by you or any third party.
  9. You understand that all “Comments” on this Site are pre-screened or moderated. That means that every “Comment” needs to be approved by Discerning the World before it appears in the “Comments” section.  This is not an automatic process.  Discerning the World does this for SPAM reasons.
  10. Discerning the World has the right (but not the obligation) in their sole unfettered discretion to remove any “Comment” that is posted on or available through the Site. Without limiting the foregoing, Discerning the World has the right to remove any “Comment” that violates these Terms or is otherwise deemed objectionable by Discerning the World in its sole discretion.
  11. You understand that Discerning the World in their sole unfettered discretion is not obligated and can not be forced in any manner, be it legal or otherwise to remove any “Comment” that is posted on or made available through the Site by you.
  12. When submitting a “Comment,” you will be asked to provide your name and your email address. While Discerning the World does not object to your use of a pseudonym instead of your actual name, Discerning the World reserves the right, but not the obligation, to reject, change, disallow, or discontinue at any time any submission name that, in Discerning the World’s sole unfettered discretion, is objectionable or inappropriate for any reason. Discerning the World requires the submission of your email address, but Discerning the World warrants that it will not publish your email address to an outside third party without your consent.
  13. Discerning the World does not sell or rent your personal information to third parties for their marketing purposes. From time to time, Discerning the World may contact you personally via email. Notwithstanding the foregoing, you acknowledge and understand that the “Comments” feature of the Site is designed to permit users to post information and commentary for public review and comment and thus you hereby waive any expectation of privacy you may have concerning any likeness or information provided to the Site by you.
  14. You are solely responsible for your interactions with other users of or visitors to the Site.
    1. Discerning the World shall have the right, but not the obligation, to monitor interactions utilizing the “Comments” facility of the Site, between you and other users of or visitors to the Site. You acknowledge and agree that Discerning the World, or any third party shall not be, and you shall not seek to hold them, responsible for any harm or damage whatsoever arising in connection with your interaction with other users of or visitors to the Site.
    2. Discerning the World does not verify any information posted to or communicated via the “Comments” sections of the Site by users and does not guarantee the proper use of such information by any party who may have access to the information. You acknowledge and agree that Discerning the World does not assume, and shall not have, any responsibility for the content of messages or other communications sent or received by users of the Site.
  15. The Site contains content created by or on behalf of Discerning the World as well as content provided by third parties.
    1. Discerning the World does not control, and makes no representations or warranties about, any third party content, including such content that may be accessible directly on the Site or through links from the Site to third party sites.
    2. You acknowledge that, by viewing the Site or communications transmitted through the Site, you may be exposed to third party content that is false, offensive or otherwise objectionable to you or others, and you agree that under no circumstances shall Discerning the World be liable in any way, under any theory, for any third party content.
    3. You acknowledge and agree that the Site, and the contents thereof, is proprietary to Discerning the World and is protected by copyright. You agree that you will not access or use the Site or any of the content thereof for any reason or purpose other than your personal, non-commercial use.
    4. You agree that you will not systematically retrieve data or other content from the Site by any means, and you will not compile a database or directory of information extracted from the Site.
    5. You agree that you will not reproduce, distribute or make derivative works of the Site or any of the contents thereof without the express consent of Discerning the World.
    6. You hereby agree to indemnify, defend and hold harmless Discerning the World, its affiliates and licensees, and all of their officers, directors, employees, agents and representatives from and against any and all liabilities, losses, claims, damages, and expenses (including attorneys’ fees) in connection with any claim arising out of your use of the Site or violation of any of these Terms.



16. These Terms constitute the entire agreement between Discerning the World and you with respect to the subject matter hereof, and supersede any previous oral or written agreement between us with respect to such subject matter.

Thank you!