My infamous article is back online.
It has taken me about 4 weeks to research Angus Buchan, author of ‘Faith like Potatoes’. (This was last year 2008 when I wrote this, I had to delete my blog soon after writing this article because of threats – This article is back online now with a few updates). It’s been a long 4 weeks for me, in so much as there is very little information about him on the Internet and what he actually preaches. I’ve read over a hundred people say on blogs etc that he preaches ‘repentance and Jesus Christ’. People are flocking from all over the country to attend his conferences, the two I will mention for now is the Might Men Conference in Greytown where 60,000 men pitched tent on a farm and Loftus Rugby Stadium in Pretoria where an approximate 71,000 people came to hear Angus speak.
When I saw the photo’s of the Mighty Men Conference I could not believe what I was seeing – it really did tug at my heart strings and my eyes welled up with tears. However the first thing that came to my mind was ‘Promise Keepers’ and the Holy Spirit telling me something is wrong. Then I received photos of Loftus and I had another heart tugging moment, but again the Holy Spirit said to me that something is not right. So off I went to research Angus Buchan. Boy was that only difficult – there is hardly any information about this man, except little excerpts on his ‘faith like potatoes’ book and movie. I put off my research for another day. Mainly because I truly wanted to believe that Angus is a genuine man of God, that he does preach true repentance and points to the Cross and Jesus Christ and NOT another gospel and another Jesus Christ. The tug on my heart strings had become a spiritual tug o’ war instead. I was reminded over and over again of what the Word of God says about the last days.
Loftus Versveld Stadium (71,000 people)
Mighty Men Conference 2008 (60,000 thousand men)
Absa Stadium 2008 (40,000+ people) – I took the photo on the far right
Mighty Men Conference 2009 (200,000 + men showed up this year)
This is going to be a very long article, please read the whole thing, then I urge you to go to your Bible and search the scriptures, study the Word of God and find yourself approved – 2 Timothy 2:15:
“15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.”
Let those who love the truth hear the truth through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in your life.
First things first, before I get into anything else, I want to address the matter of Revival for this is the crux of Angus’ teachings.
Angus mentions revival many times:
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“Indeed we are living in a time of revival!” [1]
- “We are not praying for revival anymore, we believe that we are in revival!” [2]
- “My dear friends, we are in REVIVAL at the moment!” “and to ask Him to bring revival to our beloved Southern Africa.” [3]
- “We know that we are in revival now.” [4]
- “The good news is revival is here and we are part of this” [5]
- “We are really living in revival!” “God move in awesome miraculous ways in revival time” “Well I want to tell you that you are the revival” [6]
- “…and really trusting God for revival in their area” [7]
- “We know once again that we are in revival in South Africa!” ” We are seeing revival in South Africa” [8]
Angus mentions many times that we are indeed living in the end times:
- “Even as we see things culminating, we believe that we are living in the last days. I know that we have said that for some time, but we can see that all the signs are there now and it is very exciting, because the Bible says that if Christ be for us, who can stand against us. Rom.8:31 [2]
- “I believe that we are in the last days and God is rallying His troops for the last battle.” [3]
- “The Lord has prompted me to share His intentions for His men in these last days” [5]
So we can clearly see that Angus Buchan believes wholeheartedly that we are in revival and he believes that were are clearly living in the last days as well. Is there anything out of the ordinary with his thinking? Well…yes! I say yes because in the Word of God, Jesus spoke of the last days and gave us many warnings as to what is going to transpire. And it’s not all faith like potatoes. Jesus said there will be many false prophets rising up, deceiving many, leading many astray to a false gospel and a false Christ. Jesus warned us of three things: False Christ’s, false prophets and false signs and wonders.
Matthew 24:3-6
“3 As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?” 4 And Jesus answered and said to them, “See to it that no one misleads you. 5 “For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many. 6 “You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end.”
- Note: ‘I am the Christ’ or “Christed”, the word Christ means anointed (one)“.
2 Thessalonians 2:3
“Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction.”
- Note: So first before the man of lawlessness is revealed we as Christians will face an apostasy, a great falling away from genuine faith in Jesus Christ to another Gospel that appears to be biblical but is not – hence the words, deceive and deception. It comes packaged in a nice pretty big box with a big ribbon on top, but inside lurks something sinister – you are being conditioned to accept the anti-Christ.
1 Timothy 4:1
“1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,
- Note: Deception is just that, deception; it means you wont be able to tell the wood from the trees UNLESS you adhere to the truth in the Bible. Anyone who says they are can’t be deceived is already deceived. People will listen to and follow men who preach a gospel that sounds so Biblical but yet at the same time their gospel is deceitful, and who is the greatest deceiver? Satan, the father of lies.
2 Timothy 3: 1,12-13
“1 But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. … 12 Indeed, all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted. [Adhere to the Word of God] 13 But evil men and impostors will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.
- Note: Day by day, week by week, year by year, the deception will get worse and worse. We are truly in the last days. South Africa has been very sheltered from the deception that has wrought American Christianity. I would say that 90% of South Africa has no clue as to what has been going on, yet at the same time we have been subtly introduced to false teachers over the years and the Christian book stores (CUM bookstores) are filled to the brim with books and DVDs that preach another gospel and point to another Jesus. We have been deceived and we didn’t even know it. We have been deceived because we just take for granted that what we are being taught is correct without TESTING to see if it’s true. We have slowly but surely over the years been manipulated to accept ear tickling sermons and books by well known preachers that sound Biblical but yet contains a poisonous stream of unsound teachings. This poisonous stream that has infiltrated the true Gospel of Jesus Christ is growing larger and larger each year, in so much that it’s now a strong flowing river, drowning out the true Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Luke 17:20-21
Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed, nor will they say, Look, here it is! or There! for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.
- This poison is as follows: Revival in the end times accompanied with signs and wonders (healings, signs in the sky etc, transferable anointings, contemplative prayer, angels, restoring of Apostles and Prophets (5 fold ministry) and the acceptance of EXTRA Biblical revelation aka prophecy, etc. They preach repentance and Jesus Christ and speak of His Blood, but the repentance is not true repentance and the Christ they speak of is not Jesus Christ for they do NOT adhere to the whole Truth. Isaiah 8 v 20: “To the law and to the testimony if they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.”
- We do not have to establish a Kingdom of God on this earth through revival or try usher in the Kingdom of God on this earth through ‘revival’ because the Kingdom of God is already amongst us. It’s Jesus Christ!! Anyone who is attempting to usher in the Kingdom of God in the last days denies the fact that Jesus Christ is the ‘Kingdom of God’ and He is already here, in the Written Word of God (Bible) for Jesus Christ is the Word. John 1 v 1; “1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 Thessalonians 2:9-11
“9 that is, the one whosecoming is in accord withthe activity of Satan, with all power and signs andfalse wonders, 10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. 11 For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false.”
- Note: The warning from God for the last days is very clear – love the Truth, the Word of God and you will not succumb to deception.
- The last days are riddled with signs and wonders that encompass healing and people supposedly raised from the dead etc. But when these ministers are asked for verifiable proof of these wondrous things that have taken place they can’t provide a single bit of solid evidence. Some of them are brazen enough to have videos on their websites showing healings that have taken place – the blind see, pain is removed, cancer cured, etc. Yet no contact details are provided for the people who were healed so that we, you or anyone else can follow-up to see if they were genuinely healed or if it was it just psychological (they thought they were but turned out later they were not), has the sickness come back, what has happened to them since? Did they receive another illness in its place, or worse – what has happened to their spiritual lives; are they now finding themselves diving head first into greater deceptive doctrines because their healing was in exchange for something far worse, a demonic affliction? Of course Satan can heal – he is not dividing his kingdom if he takes away an illness and gives you something worse instead – something that will cause you to follow him instead of Jesus Christ.
- So what’s it gonna be? Illness or a good chance of losing your salvation? Which one would you rather have? No one likes to be sick, we all know this. But guess who also knows this…yes, Satan. Sickness is one of his greatest playing cards. He knows most people will accept ‘almost’ anything to be free from illness.
I will speak more on healings a little bit later in this article as healings seem to play a part in Angus’ ministry, but for now I want to get back to Angus Buchan and some other things he has said.
So, what is it about Angus and his ‘ability’ to draw such huge crowds? What is it that Angus actually preaches? Why is there very little information about what he really preaches – everyone has to go on ‘hear say’; ‘Someone told me that he preaches repentance and Jesus Christ’ or, ‘I heard from someone that a sign appeared above one of his gatherings which was witnessed by thousands of people – A heart shaped 3D cloud formed in a relatively clear blue sky – only God would do that, therefore Angus is truly a man of God’. Stop…say that again? A sign appeared in the sky of a heart shaped cloud and this now validates that he is truly a man of God? Did I say stop? Yes I did. Stop and listen South Africa – listen and understand what the Word of God says to a generation who seeks after signs and wonders.
Matthew 12:39
“3 But he [Jesus] answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign…”
So off I went to research again, here is what Angus Buchan had to say in a newsletter:
“Greetings, in Jesus precious name. I have recently returned from the Izak Steyl Stadium in Vanderbijlpark. I really want to thank God for Jurie Cilliers and his team (too many to mention), who did an outstanding job in organising this meeting. We saw 35,000+ men, women and children come to the stadium, starting at 11am. When I started speaking at 4pm, the place was absolutely pregnant with the presence of the Holy Spirit. I just thank God for what He did. We even had a sign! The people were pointing into the sky while I was preaching and I thought maybe a microlight had flown past, but there was a heart-shaped cloud in the sky above the stadium – awesome confirmation, again, from our precious Saviour that He was there in our midst!” [Emphasis added]
Angus said, ‘again’? I’ll get back that that one in a moment. Anyhow Angus says, ‘Awesome confirmation’ – actually no Angus, for Jesus says,
2 Thessalonians 2:9 “…the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders… “
So we can clearly see that a sign is NOT confirmation that it comes from God for Satan can make a heart shaped cloud as well.
How do we then tell ‘who’ made the sign appear. Well we need to examine the words of the man Angus to see if what he says lines up with the Word of God – if it contradicts, then we know that the sign was not from God – for God will NEVER give a sign to endorse words spoken that contradict His Word. Angus says something interesting though, in one of his newsletters he says “May the Lord bless you as you continue to walk by faith and not by sight. [5]
So why did you say what you said above Angus, that the sign in the sky was an ‘awesome confirmation’ when we walk by faith and not by sight? Is it because this is actually what you believe: signs and wonders?
But that was not the first sign, (hence the ‘again’ in Angus’s comment above) another one appeared over the Mighty Men Conference in April 2007…here is what Angus Says, “
“I was recently sent a photograph taken at the Mighty Men Conference that we held at Shalom in April 2007, which shows a white light coming down out of a dark sky, descending upon and spreading out over the tent. I can only describe it as looking like hot butter melting and spreading over the tent.
I have not yet personally met Bruno, the man who took the photograph; he comes from Phalaborwa, a town in the northern part of South Africa. He wept when he first saw the photograph and he was reluctant to send it to me because he wasn’t sure what my reaction would be. I choose to believe it was the Glory of God over the tent, which was full to capacity., numbering seven thousand men. We had been speaking about the Light of God, about the Glory of God’s presence at that time”- Angus Buchan [10] [Emphasis added]
That’s odd; the man in Phalaborwa was reluctant to send him the photo because he was not sure what Angus’ reaction would be? What was this man worried about? What was he expecting Angus to say; Do not follow signs and wonders for they do not validate my ministry, for the Word of God spoken in truth is what validates that what I am preaching is of God? Nope! When Angus does see he photo, he chooses to believe it was the Glory of God over the tent for they had been speaking about the ‘Light of God’. Wow! He chooses to believe? No testing the spirits as per 1 John, just believe. So again Angus’ comment above that says “May the Lord bless you as you continue to walk by faith and not by sight“ contradicts what Angus actually believes. He expects signs and wonders to follow him where ever he goes and will never denounce them. And by printing this in his book, ‘A Mustard Seed – A Daily Devotional’, he is telling you just that, that we need to trust him, because signs and wonders accompany his teachings, therefore he is a man of God’.
This ’sign’ that the light over the tent was the Glory of God can be seen on the cover of A Mustard Seed. Sorry I could not get a bigger image. 
It would seem this cover is going out of print…I wonder why.
As per above Angus speaks of REVIVAL in the last days, where the Word of God says the opposite. Who do we believe? The LIE of revival in the last days that will lead millions astray to false doctrine, or the Word of God that says you must hold fast to His Word and the Truth and PRAY because things are going to get BAD, really BAD in the end times. And the only hope we have is to rely on Him no matter how bad it gets.
The faith that Angus speaks of is an ear tickling faith of Dominionism – take South Africa back for God. God wants you to be happy, He wants you to be healthy, He wants you to prosper, He wants you to have a wonderful future. Nope, I’m sorry Angus; God never promised us any of this. Jesus said, “You will be HATED for my Name sake”. Being Hated does not bring happiness or prosperity, only persecution of which TRUE faith and belief in Jesus Christ gives us the strength, Jesus gives us the strength to carry on, whether we end up in jail for preaching the Gospel or being martyred because we refuse to follow another god.
Angus says, “However, things are getting so critical now, that everything else seems to be fading into insignificance when it come to talking about eternal issues, things like a mans soul, his family, his marriage, his business and his future, not to mention his nation” [1]
Since when does family, marriage, your business, your future (while you are still alive) and this nation fall into the same critical category of individual salvation? When you die you can’t take your family, business or your money with you- it’s gone! This is ‘Word of Faith’ teaching…just have faith and God will jump at your command.
Angus says, “I would really encourage you to continue to let your expectation for your life, for your family, for your country, for your vision, to come only from God.” [4]
Faith is not what God can do for you, but what you can do for Him! Its about preaching the true gospel of Jesus Christ. Your salvation and the salvation of those around you is the only thing on this earth we need to worry about!!! REAL repentance of sin, accepting Jesus Christ as your Saviour that He died on the cross and shed His Blood so that you may be saved, the infilling of the Holy Spirit (and that does not mean speaking in tongues or having someone lay hands on you to receive the Holy Spirit), striving to live a holy life through the conviction of sin in your life by the Holy Spirit that when you do sin you repent.
Angus says, ” It is only the faithful that will overcome Rom.1:17 ‘The just (righteous) will live by faith’. As we see trouble brewing up in every area, politically, financially, morally, we know that we will succeed as the children of promise. [5]
Hebrew Roots Movement:
Another error; They attribute promises to Israel to the church. The church is not Israel and Israel is not the church. The only promise we have as spiritual children of Abraham is that of salvation (Galatians 3 v 11). Angus’ ministry is called Shalom Ministries and has a Tabernacle on his premises
“…We will be staging it open air because we are concerned about the seating capacity in the tabernacle [at Shalom Ministries]” [5]
He has a small infatuation with Israel, like all New Apostolic Reformers do. And once again the faith he preaches is in order to ‘get something’ – success politically, financially, morally etc [Note: Dominionists like to substitute the word 'morals' with 'Kingdom Values'
A few months ago I bought a book by C. Peter Wagner called, "Dominion! How Kingdom Action Can Change the World". He says,
"Christians understand that their Kingdom values should penetrate all spheres of their personal lives, their families, their businesses, their political lives and the rest" [9]
Sound familiar to what Angus says? Hmmm….familiar is not really the word, more like identical. These spheres are actually called the 7 Mountains by New Apostolic Reformation. These 7 mountains are the areas of the world they need to take control of in order to rule the world.
As per C. Peter Wagner and his agents: Rick Joyner, John Arnott etc, they are trying to build an army of Christians who are going to take the earth back for Jesus. Now most of these preachers in America who follow this idea of thinking stem from The Vineyard Christian Fellowship who started the Toronto Blessing etc, and then came Lakeland with Todd Bentley.
I have read a lot of South African websites that seem to preach the idea of this generation being something special and promote the raising up of army of Christians that will be mighty for God (based on Joel 2) – the youth are their greatest focus for they are the least discerning.
When I email the owners/pastors of these sites to find out if they believe in Kingdom Now teaching or Restoration teaching most of them say no, some of them say (not all) that they don’t like those American preachers because most of them are heretical nut jobs and money grabbers BUT they ALL say this – they say they have all received a vision or prophecy from ‘God’ that says the same thing that the heretical nut jobs and money grabbers are saying. Now we have to ask, WHAT IS WRONG with this picture?? How can people who proclaim to be true Christians get visions/prophecies that are exactly the same as the people who proclaim New Age teachings?
So I need to pose this question to Angus, why are you promoting Revival based on Latter Rain / Dominionist /Kingdom Now teaching that people who delve into occult teachings have had visions of too ,and are trying to do the exact same thing you are? They call themselves Christians and you do too, so who do we believe to be correct? Difficult question to answer Angus, since you both believe the EXACT same thing!
After doing a bit more research with regards to some of the other ministers who accompany Angus on some of his conferences I found the name Bennie Mostert. In March this year Angus and Bennie Mostert and a few others held a conference called the Daniel Conference at the NG Church in Morelatapark in Pretoria:
“Die Daniëlkonferensie vind plaas van 14 tot 16 Maart 2008 by NG Gemeente Moreletapark se Woodlandssentrum in Pretoria. Die sprekers is Angus Buchan, drs. Johan Smith en Bennie Mostert en di. Elza Meyer en Willem Badenhorst.” [11] [Emphasis added]
So who is Bennie Mostert? And why I am bothering to mention his name? Well…because he confirms that Angus Buchan follows Dominionist teachings and has ties to either C. Peter Wagner or his associates.
The roll of NUPSA in South Africa by Prof Johan Malan
“An organization promoting the cause of this strange spiritual warfare in South Africa is NUPSA- Network For United Prayer in Southern Africa, with Dr. Bennie Mostert as chairman. He is a supporter of Peter Wagners spiritual warfare methods, promotes Wagner’s books and is affiliated to Wagners World Prayer Centre. He also has great admiration for George Otis and his Transformations video.
NUPSA has also become involved with the teachings of the ministry of Cleansing Stream. This comprises the new approach of spiritual warfare, but predominantly on a personal level. The principles are the same the blame for problems are shifted from an individual to the devil and his demons that must consequently be exorcised even from Christians! Spiritual problems are therefore not traced back to the flesh (the old sinful nature) with its passions and desires, but transferred to the devil and his demons.
Cleansing Stream found its way from America to us. Among the leading people in this ministry is Jack Hayford and Dr. Scott Bauer from The Church on the Way, and Joy Dawson of YWAM. It is claimed that the Lord will clean his church with wonders of healing and deliverance that will destroy the works of the devil. The view of Cleansing Stream is that salvation is not enough to cleanse people from demonic bindings and that other steps are required for full deliverance. They base this theory on the threefold nature of man spirit, soul and body. According to them, only your spirit is made free at salvation; consequently demons may still hide themselves in your soul or body. You are then in need of spiritual warfare for full deliverance. According to them, you may also inherit demonic bonds, or curses, from your ancestors.
Of course, people helped by this ministry give wonderful testimonies. This is however not a valid argument to justify their ministry biblically. There are people making the same claims with regard to the blessings allegedly received from participation in the Toronto phenomenon or the Alpha course. In 2 Thessalonians 2:11 we read: “And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.” That is indeed the case.
Lesson nr. 9 from Cleansing Stream teaches intercessory warfare. This includes the discovery and identification of demons with the aid of “power encounters and spiritual mapping techniques, followed by exorcising them from the people (including Christians), buildings, and even whole cities and nations.” If this technique is so efficient, why does it need to be done repeatedly?
This ministry also promotes Word of Faith teachings by suggesting that there is power in our words: “Power is released through our tongue every word that comes from my mouth is either a blessing or a curse.” Under the heading “Words” they say:” We can learn how the mouth of the prophet [that's you] delivers him or herself.” This is a self-redemption teaching.
NUPSA uses the error of Cleansing Stream for their approach to small groups. They are working on national strategies for the spiritual cleansing of the country and to organize worship-marches to neighbouring countries.” [12]
C. Peter Wagner commissioned Todd Bentley (proven false prophet and heretic) and supported him wholeheartedly during the Lakeland Revival. Todd Bentley who ran the Lakeland Revival (Fresh Fire Ministries) in Florida from April to July 2008 was raised up by the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) who consists of (amongst others): C. Peter Wagner, Rick Joyner (a confessed Knight of Malta Templar), Patricia King, Bob Jones, Paul Cain, Che Ahn, Lou Engle, Bill Johnson, Cal Pierce, Cindy Jacobs, Rodney Howard-Browne, Kim Clement etc, etc, etc, Wendy and Rory Alec (owners of God TV), Jan and Paul Crouch (Trinity Broadcasting Network, TBN) , John Arnott, John Wimber, and pretty much everyone who thinks the Elijah List and it’s owner Steve Shultz are promoting biblical teachings when in fact they are nothing more than occultists disguised as Christians.
Todd Bentley has been proved false over and over and over again, andexposed for being a liar, false prophet and charlatan – he departed from Lakeland shortly after being exposed by ABC nightline in July 2008 for running a money making racket also known as a healing ministry, except there were no genuine healings. Yet even after all this, C. Peter Wagner got on stage with Todd Bentley (just before he made a run for it) and a host of other liars and commissioned him by prophesying and decreeing over him verses in the bible that were meant for Jesus Christ only. The blasphemy that has taken place by the hands of these people is beyond comprehension, but STILL they preach and teach away to the undiscerning and MILLIONS of people are falling for it – are you one of them?
One of the biggest catch phrases (at the moment) of those who promote this diabolical teaching is, ‘Winds of Change/New Beginnings/New Wineskin’. They believe that God is moving in a new way, there is a new wine skin and that there are ‘winds of change’ blowing over the world, i.e., revival.
“The winds of the Holy Spirit are coming, the winds of the Kingdom of God are coming, and the winds of change are coming to cities and nations around the world.” ….
“This is the day of outpouring, this is the day of revival, and this is the beginning days of revival and revivals. This revival is a fountainhead of revivals, is revival that prepares the way for other revivals to follow. This revival is a foundation of other revivals that come, the day has come that we will go from glory to glory, revival to revival and there will never be a moment without revival.”
“This is revival of divine healing, a revival of signs and wonders; this is a revival of anointing, and this is a revival of the power of God.”
“Restoration of signs and wonders has begun; the church will be covered with signs and wonders. This is a revival of anointing that church will be covered with rivers of the anointing. This revival is a restoration of revival!”
“What will follow this revival will be holiness and unity. Holiness will come by grace and of the heart, and unity of love, and unity of relationship will come.” [13]
[Note: Ahh, unity...ALL religions/faiths uniting, joining hands under a false Jesus - Unity in Diversity]
This is what Angus Buchan has to say in his 7 July Newsletter:
“Lord Jesus, how can we not believe in You? How can we doubt that you have caused winds of revival and repentance to blow over the whole of our country?” [Emphasis added]
The message preached today is all about what God can do for you, your family, your business, your nation, your health etc. It’s a direct attack on the true gospel of Jesus Christ. The sermons of old, most find unacceptable now-a-days because the ‘hell fire and brimstone’ sermons are just so not cool anymore, and we really don’t want to hear about the sin in our lives. No we prefer the sermon where we only hear good, happy, positive things being preached, none of this negative stuff.
Well I am sorry people, SIN, SIN, SIN, SIN, SIN, SIN, SIN is what drives a big thick wedge between you and God! And the more you sin the wider the gap gets, and Satan rejoices. And I am not even talking about unbelievers here, I am taking about Christians!! And if you don’t TRULY repent of your own individual sin through Jesus Christ, by getting on your knees in the privacy of your own bedroom then yes the day will come when you will find yourself standing before God and he says, ‘I don’t know you’! We don’t like to hear this because it offends our minds and hearts, so we rather pack our pick nick baskets and go listen to someone who will tell us happy, pleasant things like how we can make our business more successful, our home life better just by having ‘faith and hope’ and if you have enough faith God will reward you with pleasantries in this life: health and wealth.
Oddly enough you can get similar results in your business or you home by attending motivational speaking conferences hosted by unbelievers. They speak of hope and faith too, either with the mention of a god (whichever one you follow) or they don’t mention one at all. When you walk out there you feel like you too can go climb Mt. Everest, anything seems possible. It’s called psychology and Angus knows how to talk the talk, just like Joyce Meyer. Its psychology mixed with Biblical scripture or as I call it, ‘Biblical psychology’ also known as a load of hogwash that detracts one from the truth of the Bible’.
Angus seems to have this thing for GROUP repentance at his gatherings where it’s more of an emotional extravaganza than anything else. Being in the presence of thousands of people is emotional and leads one to a false sense of faith, hope and repentance. Everyone close your eyes, lift your hands and say after me… is NOT true repentance. I was going to quote quite a few more of his ‘group repentance’ comments, but Shalom Ministries has update their website to a new website and 90% of what I have quoted above and what I was going to use has been removed, never the less the quote below is on his new website – you will have to create a login account to see it:
“I was so excited to see close on 100 first time commitments and literally the whole crowd repented before God and made a re commitment to Jesus.” [15] [Emphasis added]
This proves absolutely nothing. One of the biggest concerns for me and many others is the ‘argument’ that is going around that, ‘many people, thousands of people are coming to Jesus because of Angus’ teachings – therefore what he is preaching is of God.” The same argument was used for Todd Bentley’s revivals as well, that many were being ’saved’ in Lakeland – yet the message Todd preached was laced in occult teaching about angels, portals, opening gates, opening the heavens, glory, false prophecies, etc. It’s all about the fruit I am told, if the fruit appears to look good then surely it must be good. Wrong!!!
Jesus said, in Matthew 7:16-20
16 “You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 “So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 “A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19 “Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 “So then, you will know them by their fruits.”
It also says in Matthew 3 v 8,
“Therefore bear fruit in keeping with repentance…”
In other words, if the message preached CONTRADICTS the Word of God then the fruit that follows the signs and wonders that follow can NOT be from God – the fruit that is produced is bad fruit from a thorn tree. The same applies to those supposedly saved at these revivals. If the message preached is one that will lead you to accept a false Christ though Christian unity no matter what your faith, then by who’s name are these people being saved? Its certainly not the true Jesus Christ of the Bible. It’s a false salvation!! And might I add that yes some people will find genuine salvation at these meetings for they seek the truth, they care for the truth, and at the SAME TIME when they are re-born of the Holy Spirit, He will open their eyes to the false teaching that surrounds them. But 99% of people will just follow, follow anything that sounds good, they will follow the false Christ that is presented to them for they do not care for the truth.
Revival:
It’s all about Christian unity. Unite as Christians (no matter what you believe; be it Roman Catholic, Anglican, Latter Day Saints or Church of God (a branch off sect from 7th Day Adventists or even a Spiritualist) - (see 2nd snapshot below, then see last ‘church’ on the list). Just have faith and hope and ‘God’ will do wonderful things in this country and the rest of the world. You can witness the Christian unity first hand on Angus new website by going to sign up; there is a drop down list of churches of which you need to pick the one you belong too. The list is enormous. I have made snapshots of the drop down list so that it is cast in stone for all too see.
Click images to enlarge:
SNAPSHOT 1 SNAPSHOT 2 (note: Spiritualist is last on the list)
So as we can see, it does not matter what church you attend, what unscriptural doctrine your church follows, just as long as we all unite under the ‘Christ’ that is being presented to the world today. The Roman Catholics call it the Eucharist Christ and have an ‘Evangelization program’ that TBN has bought into lock, stock and barrel. New Age-ers are awaiting their ‘Christ’ and are accepting the so called Christian revivals with open arms for it aligns to their beliefs as well. Buddhists await their ‘Christ’ and there is an astounding number of Christian Buddhists who have even been baptised in Christ’s name. Muslims are awaiting their ‘Christ’ too as more and more Muslims accept Roman Catholicism because the Virgin Mary is mentioned no less than 36 times in the Koran. Hindu’s await their ‘Christ’ as well, and we all know that Hindu’s will worship just about anything that comes in the form of a statue which includes the Blessed Mother of God.
These people I mentioned above (C Peter Wagner, John Wimber, et al.) belong to the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) and so does Angus Buchan. The New Apostolic Reformation is also a part of the Emergent Church (New Age) – The NAR are just more sneakier and use terminology that is less Emergent like. But there are Emerging tell tale signs within the Angus camp, as you will see below.
Angus recently went to Ireland and preached to Protestants and Roman Catholics: [Emphasis added below]
“This Sunday I will be in Durban and next week I go to Belfast, Northern Ireland to preach to the Protestants and the Roman Catholics and the whosoevers.” [3]
“We saw many healings, salvations and re-commitments and a stirring in the hearts of the Irish people.” … [16]
“At our meetings we had Catholics and Protestants together, surrendering their lives to Jesus Christ. It was a wonderful time of reconciliation.” [16]
Re-commitments! To what? How can a Roman Catholic re-commit to Jesus Christ? I am sure the Pope is jumping with joy at this – a reconciliation of all faiths to one Christ. So we now have Protestants and Catholics accepting a false Christ or re-committing to their false Christ, going back to their respective churches, never denouncing their heretical beliefs that go against the Word of God and repenting and thinking themselves ’saved’. Great, I feel so much more at ease now.
Everything is ‘emerging’: Roman Catholics, Hindus, Buddhists, Islam and Christians
A strange comment by Angus on his website:
“Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside the weight and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and run the race that is set before us” [3] [Emphasis added]
So you just lay it aside? Sweep it under the carpet? Make like it does not exist? So much for teaching genuine repentance of sin.
God TV and TBN:
Angus is promoted heavily by God TV and TBN- the two biggest promoters of false prophets, liars, charlatans and blasphemers on this earth. Wendy Alec owner of God TV prophesied that Jesus was going to physically show up on Todd Bentley’s stage on the 8th June 2008 – of course this never happened. (click here for false prophecy by Wendy Alec, God TV amongst other things). And Paul Crouch and his wife Jan share an ecumenical bed with the Pope. There are hundreds of books on the TBN online bookstore that promote Roman Catholicism, Mary the Queen of Heaven, Rosaries, the Eucharist Christ, etc.
“The GOD TV channel will be broadcasting the event LIVE to all their viewers throughout the world, starting from 2.30pm SA time. They tell me that they have access to a viewership of approximately 500 million people (amazing)!” [Emphasis added]
“I’m also on TV, recorded each week here on the farm and then broadcast every week on TBN, CTV and the Rhema Channel.” [Emphasis added]
Angus and his Healing Ministry:
“On Sunday, we had a healing service at Shalom …” 2nd July 2008. [15]
Angus then spearheads this notion of signs and wonders accompanying him even further when again he writes in his book, ‘Jesus…a Farmer…and Miracles’:
“And they went out and preached everywhere the Lord working with them and confirming the Word through the accompanying signs. Amen. Mark 16. v20. People knew that Jesus was God because of the miralces [sic] He performed. However, that was not His motive for healing the sick or setting the captives free. Jesus had “compassion” for the sick and the hurting. So much so that He wept at the tomb of Lazarus when He saw the family grieving. Anyone desiring to be used by our Lord for Divine Healing must have a heart for those who suffer because Jesus uses hearts and hands and compassion to heal the sick. Mark 16 v20. [10] [Emphasis added]
So all you need is compassion and a desire to be used by the Lord….hmmm, does not matter if what you preach contradicts the Bible.
This quote above is not the first time I have heard Angus speaking about his healing ministry.
Now what does the Word of God say about the gift of healing, please click here. I have decided to just include this link instead of typing it out to save me time. The problem with Angus’ healing ministry etc, is that these signs were only given to the Apostles. Those who had the great task of taking the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the nations, the power given to them was to confirm the message they had to deliver. They then wrote the message down, which became the Word of God to us, God’s final Word to us – with no one adding to it and no one taking away from it. These men were given great power for they had the most difficult task ahead of them – they were imprisoned, beaten, tortured and martyred in the most dreadful of ways.
“The new message delivered by the Apostles was confirmed by these signs. Once the message was written down, the signs ceased to be the confirming agent and the Bible confirms itself.” [17]
Satan’s greatest lie is to convince you that the ‘gift of healing’ still plays a major role in the church today, this is not true, for if it was we would have the most terrible time trying to discern under whose ‘power’ the healing took place.
Does God heal? Of course He does! But not at the hands of a man who claims he has a gift of healing or healings form part of his ministry. I know personally and have heard of people who were truly healed by God - they approached Him in personal prayer and God sovereignly chose to heal them. Genuine healings are far and few in between. And yes people can pray for you to be healed but that does not mean God will heal you. It is God who makes the final decision in the end. He has His reasons for everything He does.
Ultimately ones salvation is more important that being healed. Are you so willing to take a chance on your salvation by going to a man who supposedly heals people in Jesus’ name just for the sake of not being ill while still on earth? I hope not.
Jesus Christ of the Bible and the Jesus Christ of the New Age
Please read and understand this verse, many people just read it, but never grasp what is actually being said – it’s like water on a ducks back to most.
Matthew 7:21-23; 21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?‘ 23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’
Just because someone uses the name of Jesus and perform miracles does not mean he is of God – quite the contrary.
Prosperity:
Lastly before I end, I want to talk about prosperity. Many Christians follow the Word of Faith movement that has over taken our churches and ultimately led us to where we are today, an apostasy, (not that they are totally to blame) all agree that God wants to prosper us and will use the Bible and pull out verses to try back up their claims. I am going to now show you WHO this earth and its glory (riches) belongs too. Our riches are with Jesus in Heaven; in receiving eternal life – but for those who accept Him as the Son of God and believe. Our riches are not on this earth.
Luke 4:5-8
“5 And he led Him up and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said to Him, “I will give You all this domain and its glory; for it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish. 7 “Therefore if You worship before me, it shall all be Yours.“ 8 Jesus answered him, “It is written, ‘YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD AND SERVE HIM ONLY.’”
Faith like Potatoes, the book and movie:
I had actually watched the video about +/- 4 years ago at a company I worked for. We were made to watch it as part of a team building exercise. Funnily enough, everyone found the movie inspirational; from those interested in New Age Spiritualism, Hindus, right down to the last Muslim were emotionally affected by the movie – yet no one got saved.
We had a discussion afterwards on how to take the ‘principles’ given in this movie and apply them to our lives and our workplace, no mention of Jesus Christ and repentance of sin, just ‘learn and apply’, it was all about living a ‘good life’ and ‘accepting’ everyone around you no matter what they believed. I was so unimpressed with the movie that I actually forgot all about it, until years later I received an email on the Mighty Men Conference that mentioned Angus Buchan. I thought, “Who is this man, and why does Faith like Potatoes’ sound so familiar?” I let the photo’s overtake my logic; as I said above, I really wanted to believe he was the real deal. But through intensive research it is clear that all is not what it appears to be.
Quotes below taken from here by Shaun Willcock (biblebasedministries.co.uk). I encourage you to go read the full article by Shaun, it’s very good and speaks the truth. [Emphasis added]
“In September 2006 a new religious movie premiered in South Africa, called Faith Like Potatoes.I say a religious movie rather than a Christian movie, because although it claims to be based on the life story of South African farmer and Charismatic evangelist Angus Buchan, it is not a biblically sound Christian film.”
“According to one reviewer, The film depicts some incredible miracles that God accomplishes through and around Angus. Perhaps, the most awe-inspiring part of the film is the point when, through the prayer of Angus, God raises to life a farm worker who had been struck dead by lightning (Africa Christian Action film review).”
[Note: Todd Bentley claimed 32 people raised from the dead during Lakeland, unfortunately for him every one of these claims was proven false, yet he continued to lie to the millions of people following telling them it was true. They believed his every word; Todd could not put a foot wrong with those who desperately wanted to experience God.]
Quotes continued from biblebasedministries.co.uk:
“…Frank Rautenbach, the actor who plays the part of Angus Buchan and who had previously starred in a South African soap opera, said: It was of paramount importance to me that we should make a real movie and not a religious one . the most attractive thing to me about this role was the message of hope that the movie brings. Hope in spite of the difficulties of life.“
“A truly Christian movie would not simply bring a message of hope. It would uncompromisingly bring the message of hope in Christ!”
“When the movie premiered in South Africa, it was reported that it did so to a star-studded line-up, the whos who of South African actors, movie-makers, entertainers, sports people, Christian leaders, and musicians. Just one question arises here: Why? Why was this important to the movies producers? Why was it relevant at all? This is merely following the ways of the world, playing to the gallery, glorying in the world of showbiz.“
Mark 13:12-13;
“12 Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; andchildren will rise up against parents andhavethem put to death. 13 “You will be hated by ALL because of My name, but the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.
These words above are Jesus’ words. The real Jesus Christ that you barely hear preached today is HATED, the counterfeit Jesus preached today…everyone LOVES. This is why ‘faith like potatoes’ is NOT a Christian movie, because everyone finds it acceptable!!!
New Apostolic Reformation…and it’s obsession with the Hebrew Calendar and Numbers (part of the Hebrew Roots Movement)
Taken from here- Die Erdekruik/The Vessel newspaper
“Die Erdekruik/The Vessel newspaper believes with thousands of others, that the year 2008 (the number ‘8′ has the significance of New Beginnings in the Bible) is a turning point for South Africa. With Angus Buchan, we proclaim in the Name of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, that there is hope for our country.” [Emphasis added]
[Update: Die Erdekruik/The Vessel newspaper printed the 2 page newspaper at the Absa 2008 gathering in which Kobus Van Rensburg received quite a bit of advertising space.]
Taken here from the Elijah List – a prophecy by C. Peter Wagner, Cindy Jacobs, and many others: Word of the Lord for 2008 and Beyond
“2008: The Year to Possess the Gates…This year the Holy Spirit keyed off of the number “8″ to us. The number 8 represents new beginnings. God wants us to go through new doors (or gates) to go to a new level in everything we do. The Lord cautioned us that while many want to experience the new wine (i.e., new moves of God), there are some who want to “wear their old robes,” or that which is comfortable to them, into this new season of time. This will not work. It is critical that we all are willing to give up old practices, structures, and the influence of relationships that tie us to the old if they refuse to allow us to move into the new things.” [Emphasis added]
[Note: These people that Wagner refers to who wear old robes and refuse to give up old practices, are those who hold onto scripture for dear life and refuse to follow their New Age Spiritual utterances.]
So once again we have South Africans speaking the SAME message that false prophets like C. Peter Wagner and his diabolical agents Rick Joyner et al. are promoting…how is this possible? Because it’s NOT biblical!
I truly pray that after reading this article, that the Holy Spirit is speaking to you and your eyes are opened as to what is going on in South Africa and the deception that has arisen is not something to be taken lightly. This has been planned I believe…planned by the New Apostolic Reformation, through visions and prophecy given by none other than Satan himself. Why do I say so? Here is why…
Taken from here: “There is great prophetic interest in South Africa and its southern coastline from international circles. The major reason for this is because of the many prophecies that have gone out about the latter rain move of God that is to erupt from South Africa and spread into the nations.
The well-known prophet, Rick Joyner, visited Cape Town, South Africa in July 2004, and during a powerful prophetic conference on 22 July 2004, said that God is about to reveal powerful hidden ministries that are centered along the southern coastline of South Africa.” [Emphasis added]
Angus’ ministry fits their prophecy perfectly, however Angus is NOT the only one, he is only the start of what is yet to come. He is just a puppet on a string.
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Rick Joyner (Morning Star Ministries) is an Occultist who calls himself a Christian. He is a Knight of Malta Templar, promotes civil war within the church, and is successfully aiding the rise of Joel’s Army.
We are TRULY in the LAST DAYS. Watch and Pray!!! Be on Guard at all times, adhere to the Word of God at all times – question, test and weight ALL things to the Word of God BEFORE you deem it to be correct. Do not be swindled into accepting things just because we need to believe by faith and accept every message that comes our way no matter how Biblical it MAY seem – TEST it first! And remember experience and emotions DO NOT validate that what is spoken or what manifests (signs and wonders) are from God.
The number of Wolves out number the Sheep.
While I am at it here is the correct interpretation of 2 Chronicles 7:14 seeing as though this is the verse so miss-used by these people to do nothing but deceive.
2 Chronicles 7:14
“14 and My people who are called by My name humble themselves and pray and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, will forgive their sin and will heal their land.”
This verse is for Israel and Israel only. If they humbled themselves and sought after God through prayer, longing for Him and repenting of their wicked ways, God would forgive them of their sin and heal their land. However! Every verse in the Bible applies to every individual person at a personal spiritual relationship with God through Jesus Christ His Son and the conviction of sin by the Holy Spirit which leads to repentance of sin in our own lives. NOT other’s lives, or your next door neighbour, the government, or an entire nation for that matter. The ‘heal their land’ in this verse means that if you personally seeks after God, humble yourself, genuinely REPENT of your SIN (wicked ways) and actually CHANGE your ways, He will hear you, forgive you and He will save you, and bring you back into a relationship with Him. For God to heal an entire nation in this day and age because a few thousand people got together and repented on behalf of others in this country is ludicrous to say the least. The Bible clearly states that in the last days everyone will follow a false Christ and turn away from genuine teaching. And it’s happening right before your own eyes and you can’t see it. It also clearly states that when the world seeks peace and reconciliation, it’s all a lie. It’s a false peace and false reconciliation to a false Christ. The Bible says:
1 Thessalonians 5:2-4
2 For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night. 3 While they are saying, Peace and safety!” then destruction will come upon them suddenly like labor pains upon a woman with child, and they will not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief;
So when the world cries for peace and unity and being one global community so then starts the beginnings of the coming of the Tribulation. It will overcome those who are unbelievers, who refuse the truth. But the brethren (those who are truly born again) can see what is clearly taking place for they love the truth of Gods Word and we will NOT be surprised when the lies of world peace and the lies of the anti-Christ turns into death and destruction. I am not one bit surprised right now and I know that many other genuine Christians out there are not one bit surprised either, and we can’t be silent and need to warn with long-suffering.
But the message for us (the true Body of Christ) in Gods Word is too not worry, too not fear, for He will look after us. He also tells us to watch and pray and be prepared spiritually at all times. And being prepared does not mean growing organic food, or climbing to the tops of mountains to seek spiritual refuge.
Angus Buchanhas affiliations with:
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Graham Power (Transformation Africa),
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Michael Cassidy (Emergent Promoter – NIRSA)
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Bennie Mostert (New Apostolic Reformation)
- John Arnott (New Apostolic Reformation)
- New Apostolic Reformation
- Latter Rain
- Word of Faith
- Emergent Church (Interfaith Unity)
- Roman Catholocism
- New Age Spiritualism
- Hebrew Roots Movement
- Dominion Theology
- Kingdom Now Theology
- Restoration, Transformation
[1] http://www.shalomtrust.co.za/newsletter.php?action=view&name=12_mar_2008
[2] http://www.shalomtrust.co.za/newsletter.php?action=view&name=20_mar_2008
[3] http://www.shalomtrust.co.za/newsletter.php?action=view&name=29_may_2008
[4] http://www.shalomtrust.co.za/newsletter.php?action=view&name=09_may_2008
[5] http://www.shalomtrust.co.za/newsletter.php?action=view&name=02_july_2008
[6] http://www.shalomtrust.co.za/newsletter.php?action=view&name=05_june_2008
[7] http://www.shalomtrust.co.za/newsletter.php?action=view&name=20_june_2008
[8] http://www.shalomtrust.co.za/newsletter.php?action=view&name=23_may_2008
[9] C. Peter Wager – Dominion! How Kingdom Action Can Change the World, 2008. pg 16.
[10] http://www.healingtheland.net/books.htm
[11] http://www.kaleidoskoop.co.za/index2.php?option=com_yanc&act=archive&task=view&cid=55&Itemid=292&no_html=1
[12] http://www.bibleguidance.co.za/Engarticles/Transformations.htm
[13] http://watchmenview.blogspot.com/2008_05_01_archive.html
[14] http://www.shalomtrust.co.za/news?id=10
[15] http://www.shalomtrust.co.za/news?id=8
[16] http://www.shalomtrust.co.za/news?id=9
[17] http://www.biblebb.com/files/mac/sg1858.htm
yet another peron who thinks they have the exclusive jesus franchise, what a joke
Hi just a quick mail to say I am so concerned that there are so many websites that are blasting christians. we are living in the last times where many are claiming to have divine revelation about prophets, apostles and false prophets and apostles.
We live in a world where flesh has taken over divine appointment. I believe that many of these men and women start out with divine appointments but then get carried away with flesh and self indulgence. Too many christians chase a sign or a word from a prophet to tickle their itching ears. We are told to ask, seek and knock, however that is too long for modern day christians as we live in a fast food mentality western society and that has got into our churches and christian lives. My energy is not focussed on exposing people who have moved from the truth but on preaching the true word of God that will see a desperate world come to true repentance and the knowledge that Jesus is the way, truth and light.
>> blasting christians
They are not christians, if they were they would not be preaching lies. If no alarm goes off in the building to warn of a fire, then people will get burnt. The alarm is the Word of God being preached to expose the lies.
How very sad that an article like this has been published on the Web. The inaccuracies are astounding and the fact that you are maligning good men who are preaching the gospel is deeply disturbing. May God forgive you and may He bring you to the truth and to the repentance that you are preaching.
>> The inaccuracies are astounding
Would you mind telling us what those inacuracies are? So we can all be warned of the new updates that have taken place within the New Apostolic Reformation.
>> May God forgive you and may He bring you to the truth and to the repentance that you are preaching.
Ditto
Hey man,
Uncle Angus is a remarkable man who has done a lot for South Africa and many other countries in the world. His preach is concise, straight to the point and very convicting. I think you need to rewrite your article again and do some more research.
Your interpretation of scripture is extremely literally. Take for example scripture 2 Chron 7:14. If I was to follow your interpretation which ignore proper exposition of scripture then that verse would mean nothing for the modern church. But if you reads it in context and applies it to your own life then one understands that as a people we need to turn from sin and towards God which allows God to heal, bless or cleanse or land – which ever makes you happy.
I’d also like to comment on your quotation about:{Ultimately ones salvation is more important that being healed. Are you so willing to take a chance on your salvation by going to a man who supposedly heals people in Jesus name just for the sake of not being ill while still on earth?} When has Angus ever promote healing above salvation.
How about a scripture for this phrase: {The new message delivered by the Apostles was confirmed by these signs. Once the message was written down, the signs ceased to be the confirming agent and the Bible confirms itself. [17]} and don’t give me 1 Corinthians 13:8-10 which is clearly refering God restoring of man.
I’m not sure if your familiar with South Africa and its conditions. It is a place in dire need of not just evangelism but discipleship too. People in South Africa need the gospel and they can’t afford too listen to blessing doctrines and the likes. Angus is one of the honest and humble men I’ve ever had the priveledge of hearing share.
Lastly I wonder why someone who knows his bible would waste his time breaking down ministry instead of spreading the gospel.
1 Cor 8 1-We know that we all possess knowledge.[a] Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. 2-The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know. 3-But the man who loves God is known by God.
You might have some knowledge but I haven’t read any love. May be you should judge yourself with the some judgement you judge others.
>> and very convicting
Isn’t he just.
>> I think you need to rewrite your article again and do some more research.
Why don’t you help me.
>> Take for example scripture 2 Chron 7:14.
This verse is so over quoted by the New Apostolic Reformation in this country its become lasssstttttt season already. This verse can be appled to an individual born again christian within his own individual life, just as His ENTIRE Word (Bible) can be applied to each and ever one of His Chilren. But not an entire nation, like South Africa or even the USA, or China for that matter, because not one of these countries are Israel. Or do you think we are Israelites? Do you think we should all call God and Jesus by their hebrew names too otherwise HE does not hear us?
>> When has Angus ever promote healing above salvation.
Who says he was even preaching genuine salvation? Oh that reminds me, I need to write down his entire Absa stadium speach in a short article where quoting him word for word where he denies Jesus Christ 4 times. He does this my telling people that the rain that is coming down is actually washing away their sins.
>> Im not sure if your familiar with South Africa and its conditions.
Born here, live here. Btw, if you love this country so much why are you in NZ instead of here in SA to help build it up and transform it the Emergng way.
>> People in South Africa need the gospel and they cant afford too listen to blessing doctrines and the likes.
Um, this is all Angus preaches is prosperity gospel. Unless blessings and prosperty is not the same thing for you.
>> Angus is one of the honest and humble men Ive ever had the priveledge of hearing share
Being humble, nice, huggable, etc., does not make what he speaks the truth.
>> 1 Cor 8 1-We know that we all possess knowledge.[a] Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. 2-The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know. 3-But the man who loves God is known by God.
You could apply this to yourself as well.
>> May be you should judge yourself with the some judgement you judge others.
Ditto.
I request that you tidy up your typing. It is difficult to read in places. If I were to buy a BIBLE with typos in it, it would be returned. Your credibility is weighed by correct punctuation. The Holy Spirit does not make errors in typing or anything else. I assume you want to be a good representative of Jesus Christ. Be one by typing correctly.
Above all things Love endures forever.
Sincerely,
Richard
Richard Blanton
Hahaha, I am sure if the Bible had correct spelling you would return it. And I am not the Holy Spirit, just a human who makes typing errors. Are you so perfect that you have never made an error in your entire life? I sooo wish I could be like you. Pat on the head “ahh such a good representative”.
Richard Blanton
I actully must thank you. I noticed that the formatting took words and join them together into what seemed like one big word. But what I really want to thank you for was in actually forcing me per se to go and update this article with new information and adding other Biblical verses helping people with the correct interpretation of scripture. This of course is what makes us good representatives of Jesus Christ the correct interpretation of Gods Word.
I hope you can read the article now and I hope by fixing the errors it will help you to understand.
PS: Above ALL THINGS is JESUS CHRIST. The love you speak off is nothing but New Age Love
Ag, I thought I would do the ‘Boerevryheid’ website a favour and drive some traffic their way. Some of them can’t put their finger on it but something is wrong with my article. Might it be possible that they can’t put their finger on the fact that they are registered on a forum that is slightly right wing? I dunno…I can’t put my finger on it.
People, the gospel of Jesus Christ is FOR ALL, no boundaries on colour, race or language. If ANYONE comes to Jesus in sincerity with genuine repentance of sin they will be saved.
And I completely understand everyones plight in South Africa with regards to crime, murder, corruption and downright unrighteousness; its not just a problem for white Afrikaners.
http://boerevryheid.co.za/forums/showthread.php?p=266305#post266305
[Edited 2Jun09] PS: For the select few, I know what you’re possibly thinking; “Soutie” lol. Let me just answer this now instead of later cos I see this is causing a bit of a stir out in cyberspace: ‘I am of Huguenot decent with a line of orange blue heritage and a great great…however many times great grandfather who helped found the language of Afrikaans with a few others. I know he would probably be turning in his grave right now if he knew that some of his family ended up speaking english. But I passed Afrikaans on HG in matric – if that counts for anything LOL. Oh AND as per the ‘wanna be Israelites’ my husband and I are supposed to be of the tribe of Reuben…whoohooooo!!! We are sooooooooooo special now.
Pfff…whatever!
So now you can stop worrying and sleep tight. I know this type of thing can upset your view on who you think the gospel of Jesus Christ applies to. When you find out that you don’t have to be of the Lost Tribes of Israel to be a child of God, it can cause night sweats. But never fear for Jesus Christ the Son of God saves ALL who believe in Him and repent of their sin, and humble themselves before Him and turn from their wicked ways and come to have the Holy Spirit abide in them.
So! I am NO DIFFERENT OR BETTER than anyone else. I am however truly born again of God’s Holy Spirit therefore I am in this world but not of it, like very other genuine Christian out there; black, white, blue, green, brown, orange, red and purple with yellow spots.
PSS, there are MANY born again Zulu decendents of Shaka, etc., and many Xhosas who are decendants of Kings within their tribes, etc, etc, etc. But when they were born again they are now children of God, Jesus Christ King of all Kings.
I believe that God is Love and Jesus Christ is God. Jesus is Love. You are right in stating that Jesus Christ is above all things. He, being Love, places Love above all things.
I have made errors, big surprise? You should strive to be like Jesus Christ, not me.
I would not return a BIBLE that is correctly edited. I might give one to someone that desires the written word of GOD.
New Age is a meaningless concept. GOD is the same yesterday, today, and forever. There is no “New Age”.
There is new life in Jesus Christ. HALLELUJAH!!!
Lift up Jesus Christ,Holy is His name!!!
I do not know much about Angus Buchan. I watched ‘Faith Like Potatoes’. The behind the scenes footage was impressive. His time away from his wife was troubling, the scripture states that spouses should only be apart for short times of fasting and prayer. That has troubled me about Billy Graham also. I know that GOD has been patient with me. I choose to be patient with Billy and Angus.
As for your statement that the gift of healing has ceased, I find no scripture to confirm that idea. That seems to be an assumption without merit. Teach what you know to be true, and that only.
Remember, do not to let the sun go down on your anger.
Above all things Love endures forever. Jesus Christ is Love.
Sincerely
Richard L. Blanton
Richard
>> As for your statement that the gift of healing has ceased,
The gift of healing has not ceased in the sense that we go directly to Jesus Christ for healing. I myself am a testimony to being healed. I didnt have to search dark alleys looking for men with healing hands. I went straight to the source – Jesus Christ. Mo middle men ;)
I’m not angry, ever! Except when my husband uses all the hot water in the middle of winter.
Consider that there might be christians who have the gift of healing and they never go public with it. Like people who win millions of dollars in a lottery jack-pot, these christians realize the chaos of going public with their gifts. Even the ones being healed do not know a certain person has been directed by GOD to attend to their healing.
The person attending to the healing gives all the glory to the one it belongs to, Jesus Christ.
Yes, one should ask GOD, directly, in the name of Jesus Christ for their healing. God can and does heal without a person (He has given the gift of healing to) being present.
Jesus put mud on a blind person’s eyes. Was the mud required for the person to receive their sight? Why did Jesus use the mud? Why does Jesus use us? We are not required. God chooses to do as He wishes and He chooses to use us to bring glory to Himself, publically and personally.
He can even heal people by sending persons (He has given the gift of healing to) to attend to those needing healing.
It is not our job to decide what and how GOD does whatever He does.
It is our job to lift Him up before all nations. Let’s praise Him now!!!
JESUS YOU ARE THE KING OF KINGS, THE LORD OF LORDS, ALPHA AND OMEGA, and THE SUPREME RULER OF THE UNIVERSE!!!
HALLELUJAH!!!
I want to thank you for allowing GOD to be glorified on this website. We are all learning more about Him. It is good to study JESUS.
Love to you all,
Richard L. Blanton
Richard Blanton
>> Consider that there might be christians who have the gift of healing
Consider that we go to Jesus Christ directly. Consider all those who say they have the ‘gift of healing’ yet it’s all lies and charalatism and hypnosis.
How do you tell the difference between who is genuine and who is not? By testing what they say to the Word of God or taking their word for it? Like those emails you receive that tell you that you have won the lottery when you know fully well you never bought a ticket.
“Satan se agente op aarde bly maar slinks…
Produkte moet mos met n christelike lagie versier- suiker opgedis word, anders verkoop dit nie. Daarom word die poef mooi met die sjokolade ingemeng.
Massa-misleiers en massa-opswepers kom nie met een groot opsigtelike leuen na jou toe nie, want dan gaan jy dit nie koop nie, en nog minder gaan jy dit sluk nie.
Hulle doen dinge uiters slinks en subtiel. …Die hele pakket moet met mooi versiersuiker bedek wees en in mooi blinkpapier aangebied word.
Leuens word nie openlik geadverteer nie.
Leuens en halwe waarhede word eers mooi en subtiel in die totale pakket versteek (ingemessel). Die totale pakket moet mos bemarkbaar wees en moet mos kan verkoop.
Daarom bestaan die grootste deel van die pakket (die meerderheid) uit waarheid sodat mense dit met die eerste oop-opslag kan waardeer. Mens noem dit point of sale.
Hierdie misleiers sal vir jou 99% waarheid bring, waar dit subtiel met 1% leuen(s) besoedel is, sodat die hele pakket darem steeds heerlik en waar-agtig moet lyk…”
Read the rest of the article on Angus Buchan on the following link…
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.south-africa.afrikaans/browse_frm/thread/2f45c718a15b96ad/0c23b679ad010ea2?tvc=1#0c23b679ad010ea2
[Edited by DTW]
What to EXPECT in the Last Days:
http://discerningtheworld2.wordpress.com/2009/06/04/what-to-expect-in-the-last-days/
Thank you for this article. Refreshing our minds on what the scriptures says. You don’t need to study him to make a decision, just read your Bible
Why does he wear a hat while preaching? Just wondering where the respect is for God.
Master Jack
Thanks, and you are so right.
We don’t need to study men when we have the Bible; the most amazing, incredible, unbelievable, blessed, beautiful, wonderful, hope filled, infallible, and final Word of God. It’s the ONLY book that can save us, Jesus Christ is the Word and He is the ONLY ONE who can save us. NOTHING ELSE, no man, no man made books, no man made fables, no man made anything.
But we are called as born again Christians to speak the truth always and warn, like a lighthouse helping to prevent those ships from smashing into rocks. The Word of God steers those who love the truth from deception, keeps them safe.
Standing up for Jesus is the most difficult thing in the world. But I will never stop, no one will stop me from loving Jesus Christ and warning those who are being led astray – if just one person listens, listens to the Holy Spirit warning them it will be worth everything I have gone through and will continue to go through until the end.
We are in the most perilous times right now; we are in the very last days. The lies and deception have increased to such an extent that every day is 1000 times worse than the day before. It’s out of control; ships are smashing into the rocks by the hundreds taking all their passengers and crew with them. But I pray that at least one person jumps overboard because they saw and heard the warnings ashore. He then himself tried to warn everyone else, but they were asleep and refused to get out of their comfortable, warm beds.
But we rejoice because Jesus is coming soon. He told us to watch and pray. To pay attention all the time, so that we are never caught spiritually unaware/asleep.
I was at the MMC and Angus preached Jesus and the Cross. The comments of Angus, that you are writing about is out of context. I saw with my own eyes friends and family members that are know born again christians, not because of Angus only the Holy Spirit convict, but someone must be obedient an he is. Angus is not a theologian, but he is someone God uses. I agree on most of the other preacher on you blog, that they are spiritually blind and most of them are deceivers. They try to deceive the bride of Christ with there feel good gospel. I also agree with you that 90% of South Africans that confess that they are true christians are blinded by the spirit of anti-christ. Preachers does not preach sin and hell anymore, because they will lose members and income. I assure you Angus main focus is Christ and the Cross and true repantance.
God’s Word says you will know them by their fruits. You don’t need to do exhaustive research on people – their fruits speak for them. Angus’ fruits speak for him. What about you, whoever you are that doesn’t even put his name on his articles? What is the fruit in your life, and what is it saying about you? I’ll put my money on Angus.
It’s easy to criticize and condemn. It’s easy to sit at home typing away on your computer while Angus is out, giving himself to people for the Kingdom. If you would get out and do something for the Kingdom, I’ll bet you would start to see God in Angus and his work. But right now, all you see is yourself (your god) and how you are not in the work of Angus, and you therefore interpret that as God not being in his work. Nothing could be further from the truth.
I would say you are a part of the cult of self – a cult that most Christians today are more or less a part of. Self has blinded your eyes. Self – or lack of self – is all you see. Try doing something for God and others, and you will stop seeing self and start seeing God. I’m serious. The only reason you researched Angus the way you did was to exalt yourself – the same reason the Pharisees researched, and then rejected, Christ. They were in love with themselves, just as you are.
But don’t feel badly – most Christians are in the same boat. But all it takes to change is to get out of the boat. Get out of yourself and you will see God – in Angus, and in a lot of places you never saw Him before.
Waitsel Smith
Waitsel Smith
>> Ill put my money on Angus.
You can put all your money on angus…it’s your money, it’s your soul too
The rest I wont comment on as I’ve heard it all before….except I must say yours is a bit worse.
Wow, how interesting to read all these comments coming from “Christians” People that fight the same fight but is so different. Is it not great to see how God uses different people. I must agree with Discerning The World with this article but before stoning me as it seems a few of you could, I do believe that people do get saved through what Angus is preaching as God can use any for His good that is called the providence of God. At least we dont need to type 100% to know what we say is through teh Holy Spirit as the one brother so put it. So also we dont need signs to show that we preach is from God as mentioned by Angus. I do believe we have the Word of God and it is complete and all we need or else Christ would not have told us that faith is not in seeing but in believing without seeing. I would like to close, I wonder if hardships and struggles what we all as Christians will and do endure are going to be preached and not the wealth and health as it is not about us but about Him and salvation as we dont deserve anything anyway except for death, how many people would start to “accept Christ as their saviour” another terminology I dont like to use. I truly enjoyed your article Discerning The World, is it possible to find some of your other writings as well. Nothing wrong in taking everything being said to the Word to measure it up so why get upset if someone weigh things according to the Word as Scriptures warn us to do this as there will be many false preachers. To the person that told the writer of the article to go out, please stop judging as you dont even know who this person is yet alone what he does…. God bless to all Christians and may He come soon.
Before I forget, no need to get angry anymore Discerning The World ha ha ha, move to the Philippines, here it is so hot, you dont need hot water… Can I just add, I am spreading the gospel before someone goes there. :)
Who wrote this article? I can’t find an authors name anywhere. The only hint is a comment “I’m not angry, ever! Except when my husband uses all the hot water in the middle of winter.” Is it written by a woman?
Also in the body of the article itself the author says:
” ‘”A strange comment by Angus on his website:
Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside the weight and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and run the race that is set before us [3] [Emphasis added]
So you just lay it aside? Sweep it under the carpet? Make like it does not exist? So much for teaching genuine repentance of sin.”
Angus was quoting Heb 12:1. Vs 2 says, “…fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.”
That is how we lay aside the sin that so easily entangles us— we fix our eyes on Jesus.
By all reports Angus seems to have done just that.
It sounds as though you believe, Deborah, that the Holy Spirit ceased to work in the world after the canon was closed. How very sad.
The gift of healing is one of the spiritual gifts that God gives to whom God will. You quench the Spirit by mocking it or by declaring it obsolete.
Is God still actively engaged in God’s church or not? Does the Holy Spirit still dispense gifts for the purpose of building the church? If your answer is “no” than please prove this through the scriptures you claim to be the sole source of truth rather than through your own limited experience.
Chad
Sigh….
Chad
Sigh…,
Yeah…I know Philip! Let’s sigh together one more time. After that we rejoyce for Jesus Christ told us in His Word that when these things, when the wickedness of the world gets out of control, when everyone starts to follow another gospel, another Christ, born again Christians are to be happy because He is coming back really SOON!! These are the signs of the times, watch and pray!!
Lorraine
You said: That is how we lay aside the sin that so easily entangles us we fix our eyes on Jesus. By all reports Angus seems to have done just that.
Nope, we repent of our sin through Jesus Christ, we don’t just fix our eyes on Him. So by all reports, you are right, Angus just fixes his eyes on Jesus. As Roman Catholics and Protestants all reconnect and recommit to Christ.
Just thought I would ask here too. Are you Nic’s wife? Nic who is New Age Emergent? If not, no worries, just checking.
Philip
Yeah there are about 76 orange links to articles if you look down the right hand side of the blog, happy reading :)
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Keep in mind that God will use a donkey. 2 Tim.2:13 states that God will even use preachers that are misinformed or deceived. He honors His Word. People coming to repentance is no guarantee of a preachers status in Truth, but simply God honouring His Word.
I have been reading this site for a long time and it is a sad fact that we now need the gift of discernment now more that ever. No one is critical of preachers, BUT all truth must be tested on the Bible. I salute Deborah for standing firm!
Thank you Hennie!
For further thought can I direct readers to the article on this link [link removed] The article is written by Shaun Willcock who runs an excellent Apologetics Ministry called Bible Based Ministries in South Africa and who knew Mr Angus personally. I hope this is helpful.
For Christ and His glory
Cecil Andrews
‘Take Heed’ Ministries
Hi Cecil
I already have Shaun Willcock’s link to to his ministrty ‘biblebasedministries’ in my article. It’s about 3/4 way down the article
My sincere apologies for missing that in my first ’scan’ read of your article. By way of information/warning I actually directed people via our web site to Shaun’s article when Mr Buchan was in Ireland.
In Christ
Cecil Andrews
‘Take Heed’ Ministries
Northern Ireland
Nooooooooo problem.
Psalm 46:10 “Be still and know that I am God; I will be exalted among the nations; I will be exalted in the earth!”
When I read the article it appeared to be written out of genuine concern. You raised some points which might be true. Some of it does however appear to be taken out of context. I have never attended one of his conferences. I am still in the dark as to whether he truly does Gods work. I am constantly searching for the truth.
However, after reading this comment (and your apparent disparaging attitude towards Afrikaners)I wonder if your true motivation was not to “get a stab in” at Afrikaners (maybe because the majority of people attending these conferences are Afrikaners)
Ps. I believe that anyone can be saved regardless of race or colour, just like you do, so don’t confuse me with one of those nuts believing in the Israel Waarheid or similiar teachings.
Just one last remark, despite the fact that crime and corruption etc affects all in SA, the Afrikaners do have reason to feel victimised/singled out. See for example the needless voilence and torture that accompanies farm murders, Afrikaans schools being forced by government to accept English speaking students, eventually leading to Afrikaans being completely phased out (don’t use the government’s argument that Afrikaans cannot get “special treatment”/supported at the costs of the other official languages – if the government had lifted one finger to promote other language schools their argument may have validity – fact is they don’t, therefor sustaining Afrikaans schools only occurs at the expense of English!) and also Afrikaans city/town/street names are being singled out for replacement.
Hans
>> However, after reading this comment (and your apparent disparaging attitude towards Afrikaners)I wonder if your true motivation was not to get a stab in at Afrikaners (maybe because the majority of people attending these conferences are Afrikaners)
I am sorry but where did I take a stab at Afrikaners? You speak about me taking stuff out of context.
The only reason I wrote that comment was because I was being criticized by Afrikaners (yes you know white Afrikaners criticizing me, a white English speaking Afrikaner) on the Afrikaans, boere, volk, vryheid type forums for writing about Angus.
They criticized me because what I wrote was not biblical and that because I was English speaking this was now the real problem, and not the fact that Angus preaches false doctrine.
Please re-read my comment and my article again and see that NO WHERE in my article did I mention anything about race or language or colour.
This is not a political, colour, or anything else article. This is about what Angus preaches and his ties with the New Apostolic Reformation and the Emergent movement these movements are not the truth because what he (Angus) and others within these movements preaches contradicts the Word of God in more ways that just one. So it’s not little errors we are speaking about here but a huge error of gross proportions.
An apology is in order, thanking you in advance.
“I am sorry but where did I take a stab at Afrikaners?”
I’m not saying you did. I’m saying I wondered if your motivation for writing the article was to take a stab at them. It does not appear so from the article. It was your comment that made me wonder – read your comment again and tell that an Afrikaner would not find it the least bit disparaging.
“NO WHERE in my article did I mention anything about race or language or colour.
This is not a political, colour, or anything else article”
Like I said, not he article, but the comment.
If I may use the words of a famous ex – rugby player, “at the end of the day” our above differences are not really important.
I would like to know what your beliefs are, eg do you believe in a “contextual” or “literal” interpretation of the Bible, where do you stand on issues like homosexuality, the resurrection of Christ etc.
I have tried to find a link explaining what the site is about and what you stand for but could not find any (keep in mind I’m just an Afrikaner pleb (and Afrikaans speaking on top of that), so I apologise in advance for my ignorance if I missed the link).
I noted a link on your site to Tom Gouws, but it took me to an article of TB Joshua, am I following the wrong link?
Hans
If you can’t see that I follow the Word of God to a T then I cant help you further. Only the Holy Spirit can guide you to what is truth and what’s not the truth. I can’t convice you. I am sure many others can. Go and read this article: Love Casts Out All Hell – http://discerningtheworld2.wordpress.com/2009/07/04/love-casts-out-all-hell/
As for the link to Tom Gouws. If you read the TB Joshua article it says: “Prof Tom Gouws wrote an article in Beeld, an Afrikaans newspaper in Johannesburg, in which he in fact EXPOSED Joshua”
You said: “However, after reading this comment (and your apparent disparaging attitude towards Afrikaners)I wonder if your true motivation was not to get a stab in at Afrikaners (maybe because the majority of people attending these conferences are Afrikaners)”
Hans, you know exactly what you mean by this statment. You are alluding to the fact that because most afrikaners attend Angus conferencs then I must have a bad attitude towards Afrikaaners. Which is completely untrue.
Lets stick to stripture here why don’t we, tell me what’s wrong in my article and we can discuss that, while you are at it please supply scripture for your arguments regarding my article on what Angus preaches.
While you’re at it you might what to check this one out: 12 Nuwe Strominge in die Teologie / New Streams in Theology – DVD http://discerningtheworld2.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/nuwestromingeindieteologie.jpg
In fact there are at the moment 82 articles (actually 84) I just have not put them in the list yet. You don’t need a statement of faith to see the truth – you have the Bible don’t you? You read it? You study it? You have the Holy Spirit IN your life don’t you?
Statements of faith mean nothing, every ministry seems to have one and never abides by it. So what’s the point. People will still follow false teaching even if it jumped out and bit them on the nose.
“If you cant see that I follow the Word of God to a T then I cant help you further”
All I can see is that you endeavour to expose false prophets/ministries/faiths with reference to the Scriptures, which is very praise-worthy. I just thought you had a link where your beliefs are spelt out, I am not saying you have to, like I said exposing false doctrines is praise-worthy in itself.
“Only the Holy Spirit can guide you to what is truth and whats not the truth.”
Quite correct. (And thanks for the link, I will read it)
“As for the link to Tom Gouws. If you read the TB Joshua article it says: Prof Tom Gouws wrote an article in Beeld, an Afrikaans newspaper in Johannesburg, in which he in fact EXPOSED Joshua
Thanks, I found it.
“Hans, you know exactly what you mean by this statment. You are alluding to the fact that because most afrikaners attend Angus conferencs then I must have a bad attitude towards Afrikaaners.”
Not quite. What I alluded to was that you “have a bad attitude” towards Buchan as a result of your dislike for Afrikaners. Like I said, I got the impression that you dislike Afrikaners from your comment, not from your article.
“Lets stick to stripture here why dont we, tell me whats wrong in my article and we can discuss that, while you are at it please supply scripture for your arguments regarding my article on what Angus preaches.”
I would not dare. I do not know the Scriptures nearly as well as I am sure you do.
Hans
>> I do not know the Scriptures nearly as well as I am sure you do.
Well that clears thing up, should I dare ask why not? God does say to you in His Word:
2 Timothy 2:15 NASB
15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.
or
2 Timothy 2:15 NIV
15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
or
2 Timothy 2:15 NLT
15 Work hard so you can present yourself to God and receive his approval. Be a good worker, one who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly explains the word of truth
or
2 Thimotheus 2:15 Afrikaans
2:15 Lê jou daarop toe om jou beproef voor God te stel as ‘n werker wat hom nie hoef te skaam nie, wat die woord van die waarheid reg sny.
Also
>> Not quite. What I alluded to was that you have a bad attitude towards Buchan as a result of your dislike for Afrikaners.
And it never crossed your mind while reading my comment that Afrikaners think I have a bad attitude because I am writing about Angus who is love so by South Africans.
It’s usually like that, when the minority speaks out then they are the racist onces. Sound familar? lol
I just can’t win…really… If you saw the comments I got last when when I originally posted this article when angus first sprung onto the scene you ‘might’ have got a shock. I had nearly 100 comments in a few days telling me how evil I was. Now after the hype has died down, the comments trickle in. More people out there now realise Angus is dodgy and something is not right. Unfortunately that percentage is still tiny…only a few people are listening to the Holy Spirit’s warnings, others went and dived even deeper into the deception.
It’s funny how someone is asked for their credentials and questioned when they dare mention true facts about a certain preacher…
Yet that same person would not dare question what that preacher says, regardless of the credentials he might have…
interesting…
Greetings
J O
Has the Word of God started to offend “Christians”?
Would “Christians” rather have their ears tickled?
If I didn’t know any better I would say that the above would be impossible…
If you call yourself a “Christian” and the above is true of you, then I would say you might be in danger of falling away…
If you consider yourself a Christian and the Word of God is pleasing to your ear, I pray that you will endure!
Greetings
J O
…oh and another thing. We are called to discern and mark those who cause division and teach what is contrary to that of the Bible…
…and we need to seperate from them!
God hates the mixture…
Greetings
J O
“If you saw the comments I got last when when I originally posted this article …..’
But I did not see the comments. Perhaps if I did I would have have seen your comment in a different light. But I guess thats what I get for judging your comment without knowing the CONTEXT within which it was said. Shame on me.
Deborah,
You wrote “This is about what Angus preaches and his ties with the New Apostolic Reformation and the Emergent movement…”
I have been watching (and sometimes participating) in the Emergent conversation but this is the first time I hear of any ties that Angus have with it. Can you please elaborate on how you came to this knowledge?
Grace and peace to you
Eugene
Go research NIRSA.
So you are not emergent yourself. Why not? Where do you draw the line dividing you from the emergents?
I agree that Angus preaches Christ, the Cross and Repentance (if it is indeed true repentance, remains to be seen) – I wouldn’t go as far as saying that it is his main focus…
It seems like he wants to help make the world (south africa included) a better place…
He believes in end time revival, yet the revival he preaches to the massas is not what the Bible says will be the sign of people returning to God.
The Bible is very clear that in the last days (and boy do we find ourselves in the last days) many will fall away from the faith…
If they (any so-called born again Chrisitan) were saved or if they were never saved to begin with, remains to be seen. Fact is – I have to question gatherings of these magnitudes simply because the massas rejected the prophets, the disciples and Christ Himself…
Ponder on these words;
Vox populi, vox dei
“Vox populi, vox dei ” is usually mistakenly believed to mean, “The voice of the people is the voice of God ”, thus implying that popular opinion is always right.
In fact the full quotation is, “Nec audienti sunt qui solet docere, ‘Vox populi, vox dei’; cum tumultuositas vulgi semper insanitas proxima est.”
The literal translation is: “Do not listen to those who are accustomed to teach [claim], ‘The voice of the people is the voice of God’, because the tumult of the masses is always close to insanity.” (Cohen, J. M. & Cohen, M. J. 1960. Penguin Dictionary of Quotations.)
Job 12:11 “Does not the ear test words, As the palate tastes its food?
Greetings
J O
Amanda,
I think putting people into categories can be helpful to address certain trends but is dangerous when dealing with individuals.
The emergent/emerging conversation in South Africa (and over the world, but lets stick to SA) is not a church where there is one faith statement or one doctrine that can pin it down. Why? Because it is a conversation with Christians from different churches and backgrounds conversing about various subjects like theology, orthodoxy, orthopraxy, etc.
There are certain values that you can apply to the whole conversation like inclusion. Inclusion in the sense that anyone can join the conversation. The point of the conversation is not to tell each other how wrong they are and how right we are, but to listen, understand and learn. To have these conversations on the internet is great but because so much of communication is lost in this virtual world it is better to meet face to face at cohorts, seminars, learning communities and confereces. This is why you and Deborah have been invited for coffee so many times – the value of inclusion and desire to learn from others.
So that loooong explanation just to say… To pin me (or anyone) as an emergent (in the sense that you use emergent) would be assigning things and beliefs to me that is not necessarily true of me. I take part in a conversation called the Emergent Conversation. To draw a line dividing me from others would bring just that – separation from people I love and respect. I have said this before: I do not agree with everything others in this conversation say and believe but that does not mean I do not love and respect them as people or that I cannot learn anything from them. So if taking part in this conversation makes me emergent then yes I am an emergent but if some doctrine, belief or theology makes me emergent then no am not an emergent.
I hope this helps.
Grace and peace to you
Eugene
P.S. Wanna go for coffee? :) :D
Deborah, I’m still researching NIRSA and I’ll get back to you on this.
Just to clarify – is this what you are refering to?
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May you be filled with faith, hope and love today (1 Cor 13:13)
Read what you want to read Eugene, whatever appeals to your beliefs – this is the emergent way of course, pick from here and there and whatever floats your boat is what gets the thumbs up.
National Initiative for the Reformation of South Africa (NIRSA)
Graham Power & Angus Buchan -Transformation Africa
I wonder if you would AGREE and applaud someone who impersonates someone else and writes disgusting things to others using their name, or would you DISAGREE and rebuke these people who do things like this?
Deborah,
You said in a comment above “Go research NIRSA.” I am doing that… Why the “Read what you want to read Eugene, whatever appeals your your beliefs.”?
Inclusion? Don’t you mean Impersonate?
Do you agree and applaud those who took someone’s idenity and impersonated them, writing terrible things on the internet to others using their name? Or would you have the guts to stand up and disagree and rebuke these people for what they are doing?
You’ve got a bigger chance of falling pregnant Eugene than me ever having any form of drink with you and that includes water.
Eugene
I would love to believe what have to say, but…unfortunately I can’t.
So, Do you you AGREE and applaud someone who impersonates someone else and writes disgusting things to others using their name, or do you DISAGREE and rebuke these people who do things like this?
Deborah,
You asked me to research NIRSA. Im doing that. Do you have something else on your mind relating to my question: “Can you please elaborate on how you came to this knowledge?”?
Understood. But I am a naive optimist :) (Not refering to me being pregnant, lol.)
Repeat, answer to your question, here is more info for you:
National Initiative for the Reformation of South Africa (NIRSA)
Graham Power & Angus Buchan -Transformation Africa
Repeat, now answer my question:
Do you you AGREE and applaud someone who impersonates someone else and writes disgusting things to others using their name, or do you DISAGREE and rebuke these people who do things like this?
Identity of Discerning The World Stolen
Eugene
You might imagine you are only chatting to some charming people, but emergent is a movement and it has moved a lot. See what is accepted as Christian teaching: Rob Bell, Shane Hipps, Peter Rollins teaching Arts and Crafts? No, Never, Cant be!
You said:
Jesus Christ said:
Deborah,
I can find no “link” between Angus and the Emergent Conversation in the things I have read so far published by NIRSA members themselves. There is no mention of either. I just wanted to verify a link that you made between Angus and the Emergent but you made my question into much more. It seems that you have this conspiracy theory about this “link” culminating in a One World Religion and what is disturbing about it is this “if you don’t agree with me you are not a truly born again Christian”. I am not going to play your AGREE/DISAGREE game.
Sorry for the inconvenience of that question. You can ignore it now
Grace and peace to you
Eugene
Of course you wouldn’t…
REPEAT: Do you you AGREE and applaud someone who impersonates someone else and writes disgusting things to others using their name or do you DISAGREE and rebuke these people who do things like this?
This is a simple question Eugene. This has nothing to do with being Christian or not. This is about values, principles, morals – you know those thing that you are trying so hard to follow but not doing a good job at.
But you don’t have to answer Eugene, your dodging of this question speaks volumes. You and your little friends have been exposed, in more ways than just one. You are no longer welcome here.
Psalm 50:17-19
17 You hate my instruction and cast my words behind you.
18 When you see a thief, you join with him; you throw in your lot with adulterers.
19 You use your mouth for evil and harness your tongue to deceit.
Jeremiah 2:26-27
26 “As a thief is disgraced when he is caught, so the house of Israel is disgraced they, their kings and their officials, their priests and their prophets
27 They say to wood, ‘You are my father,’ and to stone, ‘You gave me birth.’ They have turned their backs to me and not their faces; yet when they are in trouble, they say, ‘Come and save us!’
John 10:9-11
9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. He will come in and go out, and find pasture.
10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.
11″I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.
Please check out this statement of fatih by brother Angus Buchan:
http://www.shalomtrust.co.za/inside-shalom/statement-of-faith
He is a man of God, and I had no trouble finding this information on the internet.
Judge not that you be not judged; with whatsoever judgement you judge you shall be judge likewise…
Accuse not the brethren…
Glenda
Yes, statements of faith are all over the place, even seventh day adventists churches and anglican churches have statements of faith. Your point is? The point is you can make a list of 20 thing you want your congregation to believe and they will? That’s right…believe it.
Ek is eg Afrikaans, so Afrikaans as kan kom. My groot groot (ens) oues was Boeregeneraals. Tussen die spulletjie was ‘n “hensopper” (deserter) ook! ouch! Hans, DTW’s D het niks teen Afrikaners nie! ook nie teen Afrikaans-sprekendes nie, ek weet, want ons kommunikeer gereeld en het al een keer gekuier (afstand probleem). Ek myself moet erken dat ek self baie keer die Engelssprekendes se manier van iets sê of skryf verkeerd verstaan het, omdat die Engelse taal ‘n ander manier van uitdrukking het. In DTW se “comment” kan ek niks fout sien nie en ek verstaan nie waarom jy aanhou verwys daarna nie? Haal dan woorde aan sodat mens kan sien wat jy bedoel asb? vrede, cecilia
D, I just had 2 go +c why u edited this comment; and whaau girlfriend, all I can say is – those who throw words at u must go read THESE discussions! thanks 4 all ur research, much appreciated! cecilia
I’ve seen (and still am on a regular basis) a lot of people “giving their lives to the Lord”, “repent” etc. whilst in a (big) gathering. Follow-up reveal that in a big percentage of these lives, it lasts only from about 2 weeks to 2 months, then the “emotion” and the “structure to hold unto” is gone and so the “decisions” made. same goes for healings in (big) gatherings. people are prayed 4, they “receive healing”, but some time later they are standing in line for prayer again, again with the same problem. the danger of such big gatherings is: follow-up. teaching. disciplining.
Example: my friend’s husband went 2 the ‘08 gathering. Had such an upliftment and experience. Came back with sparkling eyes, just telling everyone who wants 2 listen of what it was and what-all happened there! Two weeks after that he got into an adulterous relationship and wanted to divorce his wife. She’s fighting daily 4 their marriage, carrying the guilt of “it’s my fault”.
again, many writers on this blog is correct when they ask where are the fruit? cecilia
Lorraine: “Who wrote this article? I cant find an authors name anywhere. The only hint is a comment Im not angry, ever! Except when my husband uses all the hot water in the middle of winter. Is it written by a woman?”
duuuuu! now I’ve seen it all! cecilia
It is so sad when Christians find it worth their while to find fault with each other instead of working with our Lord in his kingdom to make disciples of all nations as He ordered us to do.
Rita,
Could you be so kind as to articulate what exactly it is you have a problem with.
Ironically you are guilty of finding fault – with Christians finding fault with each other – as well. Sad hey?
Rita
Christians don’t fight with one another because we are born again and children of God. On the other end of the scale sit those who call themselves christian but are not. So it’s not about Christians fighting Christians. It’s about genuine Christians standing up/defending for the Gospel of Jesus Christ against those false christians who’s sole purpose is to destroy it.
Get it? Got it? Great.
Hi Guys,
It’ not strictly true that Christians don’t, nor shouldn’t, disagree, even vehemently, with each other regarding Scripture, Theology or doctrine.
One example is Peter and Paul in Galatians 2:11 – 14, “11 But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. For prior to the coming of certain men from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he {began} to withdraw and hold himself aloof, fearing the party of the circumcision. The rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy, with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy. But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of all, “If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how {is it that} you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews?”
There are plenty more examples.
In Christ,
Mark
Mark
Ah but of course yes, Christians can disagree on issues. BUT the issues that genuine Christians would disagree on or argue about will be minor issues regarding scripture. When an entire doctrine is incorrect and you have 2 people arguing; one speaks the truth the other lies then this is another matter all together.
In this instance, Rita, could not be bothered if Angus Buchan preaches Dominionist teaching which is a false doctrine that leads people astray. Everyone should just get along, unite, even though one preaches their false gospel using the name of Jesus and the other preaches the genuine gospel of Jesus. For the ‘unity in diversity’ group just cos the name of Jesus was used in both cases then hey presto we are all doing the same work for the same God.
Rita can’t tell the difference between what is true or not so she thinks that we are just fighting among ourselves as.
People like you look for blood, not truth. Self appointed “purity of the word and purity of other’s motives” sheriffs like you are the reason my kids want to leave the church. They love Jesus, they hate the hypocrisy of you who claim to “hear from the Holy Spirit” but do nothing but tear good people down. I think what you hear is your own doubt, your own pride, your own shovel digging a grave for a Christianity that completely misses the word GRACE. Sounds more like the devil than the Holy Spirit to me. You would have convicted Paul, King David, Solomon, Peter, James, John, and everyone else after them based on their human foibles. God calls them his friends and David a man after his own heart. You chose only the scriptures that seem to support your view, but ignore the myriad of ones that contradict it. The scripture is full of a holy tension between two ideas – God wants all good things for us and at the same time promises difficulties. They are not mutually exclusive thoughts. Pull your head out of your rear end and stop worrying about other people teaching Christ. You sound like the whiny little kids as Jesus described – (Matthew 11:16 -19) 16″To what can I compare this generation? They are like children sitting in the marketplaces and calling out to others:
17″ ‘We played the flute for you, and you did not dance; we sang a dirge
and you did not mourn.’ 18For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, ‘He has a demon.’ 19The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and “sinners.” ‘ But wisdom is proved right by her actions.”
Today you would say like a spoiled child stompping their feet…”Oh he does not preach the way I like or say things exactly the way I want them said. He’s a bad man. Bu the thousands being saved will prove him right and not you. Your article is infamous because of how stupid it is.
John B
You contradict yourself.
You say your children love Jesus yet want to leave church.
They hate hypocrisy yet have a father who insults others calls them names in the name of ‘Jesus’ when they preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ and warn of false teachers who lead children astray.
You say that these supposed men of God like Angus save thousands yet your children are confused and can’t tell the truth from what is false.
You speak of prosperity yet your household is spiritually poor.
I think you need to just give your kids the bible John and tell them they can find Jesus Christ on every page and leave the world to the wicked.
PS: if you have not noticed Angus was proved false ages ago, you are behind the times. Just like TBN was proved false, God TV (Latter Rain Manifest Sons of God teaching) and End Times peace and prosperity instead of God’s plan of judgement on the world.
The world is worse, have you not noticed?
The world is NOT going to get better so start praying.
The church is spiritual not a physical building.
When one is born again you are made a new creature in Jesus Christ and become a child of God, you are no longer part of the world, even though we live in it.
Every born again Christian belongs to the body of Christ.
It’s NOT a denomination. How ever there are many many false denominations who call themselves Christian.
The church is NOT Israel unless you think you are a Jew?
You are a gentile saved by GRACE.
Hold long is a generation? Please do check your timing on this one, it does involve you being in the right place at the right time)
Do you follow Joel 2 to the letter but leave out the end of the prophecy because it suits you?
Are you in Israel right now? If not get there quickly, Joel 2 ends where your children will dream dreams and prophecy just before the GREAT Day of the Lord where the sky literally falls in on itself.
Please quote more scripture to support your views.
I must say your insults are the worst so far, well done on that one, you must be so proud.
Will your children be reading this? Your comment I mean.
If not at least print the below articles out and let them decided who is telling the truth. The Word of God or Angus. Would be terrible to think that you led your kids astray by hiding the truth from them.
http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/12/01/your-sons-and-your-daughters-will-prophesy-but-not-yet/
http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/11/27/caught-up-by-jesus-christ-or-caught-by-a-false-christ/
Dear John B
– When you write a scathing rebuke to anybody, try and use things like wit and sarcasm (Paul was a master at this), it helps. Otherwise it sounds like you had some really bad pepperoni pizza and you have just kicked the dog…and no one will actually take you seriously except prescribe you a valium.
– If you are a brother in Christ try and make a case for your views, you will find that the owner of this site is actually very open to intellectual and well reasoned arguments. Sending down the fires of hell? Nah, bad strategy.
– You say the writer of the article misses GRACE, well your flaming masterpiece is devoid of it.
– I did not know there was a ‘myriad’ of scriptures, I am only aware of 66 books written by 40 authors. I am outlining your unbridled exaggerations which seem to have no brakes…
– You have ripped Matthew 11 completely out of context, in fact you mangled it so bad I there is not anything we can salvage from the verse. You also have to realise that the owner of the website is absolutely 100% Puritan – By GRACE alone, Through FAITH alone through Jesus Christ’s WORK alone. Is that a demon? Dude, why are you insinuating the work of God of rightly dividing the word of truth to be the work of demons?
- Thousands saved? Are you aware that the modern version of ‘accepting Jesus into your heart’ is sending thousands to hell? Biblical salvation is REPENTANCE and putting FAITH in Jesus Christ’s work alone. Repentance means a complete turnaround. Thousands in a stadium does not equal = thousands saved. That is a logical fallacy.
But I am prepared to hear why you think that Angus is a true man of God, I personally have heard very good things of the man and have quite a respect for the man. The problem is that I also see a lot of WOF and Dominionism creeping in here so I am prepared to listen to the whole story.
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- Lastly, please remember that you judge the fruit, NOT THE MOTIVE. You have it backwards.
Hi there,
Could you please tell me if there is anybody preaching in the world that meets your exacting standards?
Greetings
Donene
Nobody sets the standards but GOD through his Word.Once you get to know the Word of God this becomes clear as daylight. We are to study the word of God as true Christians.
We are heeded to urgent warnings about False prophets in the Word of God. Do you know that?
Matthew 7:15 (New King James Version)
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
2 Peter 2:1 (New King James Version)
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.
You don’t seem to know the term Discernment?
>>> John B – “Your article is infamous ……”
actually, JB, it doesn’t seem to be “stupid” or “infamous” if one find it on other discernment sites that are available, e.g.:
https://www.sermonaudio.com/new_details3.asp?ID=17303
I think I’m actually going to copy this here, and the reader(s) can go and read the letter themselves at the applicable website.
“Open Letter to Angus Buchan, FRIDAY, AUGUST 29, 2008, Posted by: Grace Unlimited
Very close to my heart is the honour of Christ in a world where there is no discernment. In this Open Letter to Angus Buchan, I have made an appeal to a very prominent stadium preacher in South Africa to preach a bigger, God-honouring Gospel. It is my urgent prayer that the Lord will use this letter to win him over to the beauty of the Gospel of the Bible, which is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes.
Tens of thousands pack into stadiums around the country. They hear a powerful speaker speaking about God and what He can do for them. They return home fired up to reform their lives and to live for Christ. Yet they have never been confronted with the glorious gospel of the blessed God. They are dead in sin but are trying to act as if they are alive. I grieve over this sad waste of opportunity and the giving of false hope. In the end, those who leave these events, fired up with moralistic zeal, must eventually slump into weariness and conclude that Christ may not actually be able to save them at all.
This letter is not an attack, it is a gracious appeal. It is written from a heart that desires to see Angus Buchan, and many world evangelists like him, use the opportunities God has given them, to preach a magnificent Gospel that honours the magnificent God.
Read my Open Letter to Angus Buchan on SermonAudio
Read or download my Open Letter to Angus Buchan at my website: graceunlimited “
also Have a look at:
http://1joh4.wordpress.com/2008/09/25/angus-buchan-gestuurde-van-god-of-valse-profeet-1/
cecilia
Cecilia
Im so glad you added the open letter to Angus Buchan.
Donene
Yes