Rick Joyner – Dressed as a Knight of Malta

Doesn’t Rick Joyner (right) look just smashing in this Freemasonry Knight of Malta outfit.

Rick Joyner  -Knights Of Malta

“This Order, which at various times in the progress of its history received the names of Knights Hospitalers, Knights of St. John of Jerusalem, Knights of Rhodes, and lastly, Knights of Malta, was one of the most important of the religious and military orders of knighthood which sprang into existence during the Crusades which were instituted for the recovery of the Holy Land. It owes its origin to the Hospitalers of Jerusalem, that wholly religious and charitable Order which was established at Jerusalem, in 1048, by pious merchants of Amalfi for the succor of poor and distressed Latin pilgrims…

“The Organization of the Order in its days of prosperity was very complicated, partaking of both a monarchial and a republican character. Over all presided a Grand Master, who, although invested with extensive powers, was still controlled by the legislative action of the General Chapter…”

“…There are now two bodies-one Catholic and the other Protestant, but each repudiates the other…”

“The degree of Knights of Malta is conferred in the United States as “an appendant Order” in a Commandery of Knights Templar. There is a ritual attached to the degree, but very few are in possession of it, and it is generally communicated after the candidate has been created a Knights Templar…”

Source:  An Encyclopedia of Freemasonry and Its Kindred Sciences,” etc. by Albert G. Mackey, M.D., Thirty-Third Degree, Volume I, published by the Masonic History Company, Chicago, New York, & London, 1925, Volume One, pp. 392-95

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Rick Joyner is from www.morningstarministries.org who helped run the demonic Lakeland Revival with Todd Bentley as the main attraction.  He is an Apostle and Prophet in the New Apostolic Reformation with C. Peter Wagner, Cindy Jacobs, George Otis Jr, Lou Engle, Che Ahn, Patricia King, Stacy Campbell and hundreds more.

There are many more ministers/pastors who are Freemasons and/or belong to orders like the Knights of Malta,  like Benny Hinn for instance.

Who wants to play “Spot the Freemason?”

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Green ArrowAngus Buchan and Rick Joyner preached together in 2012:  NAR Invasion of SA – Rick Joyner, Angus Buchan, Danie Slabbert, Nevil Norden @ Apostolic Prophetic Conference – July 2012 

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Deborah (Discerning the World)

Discerning the World is an internet Discernment ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa that was founded by Deborah du Rand in 2008. Tom Lessing joined Deborah in May 2013. Tom Lessing founded the website “Waak en Bid/Watch and Pray” which was closed in 2013 and articles moved across to DTW.

34 Responses

  1. Elmarie A says:

    Arrghh man do you know all this points again to how far the One world religion and One World order has developed.

    All of them must be Freemansons!!!

    Found this link and I wonder if we will not find all of these names as being freemasons too.

    [EDITED: I don’t actually want to direct anyone to that website you linked too. That info is on another website http://www.seekgod.ca. Link to that one instead. You will just have to search their website for it.]

  2. Robbie says:

    Elmarie..
    Spell “freemasons” 10 X !!!

  3. mijadedios says:

    I don’t even know who RICK Joyner is! That’s a good thing! But I blasted this on Twitter for ya! All Christians have responsibility to at least be aware of who the wolves are! The Jesuits are coming out of the woodwork too! “coming out of the Closet” of their Cults & Pagan Organizations I guess. See, Satan knows his time is short so he’s assessing his army of demons…so we need to be at the READY! Prayer Warriors, Attention!

  4. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Elmarie

    Freemansons. hahaha. That was funny. Hang on. Free ma sons. Hmmmm.

  5. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Elmarie

    The reason I don’t want to direct anyone to that site you mentioned is because I used to comment there for a long time, but things were not right – the author had visions which I did not agree with, but the rest of the info there was good. Again, error and truth mixed. I refused to see the truth in this because I thought the author was genuine. Now I ask forgiveness for not obeying the God on this matter. Now the site has been given over to other people to manage and things have gone completely off the rails. I tried to comment there about a month ago to fix an error I made in another comment and they refused to post it. So I commented again and they deleted it. So I could not make amends and apologise publicly – but I will do it here and fix my error and expose the entire website.

  6. Elmarie A says:

    Deborah (Discerning the World)

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    That is good with me.

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    Hie ha ha yes that was really spelling mistake lol lol

    Robbie

    Thank your eyes are sharp. I did my homework xxxx40
    never again will I spell the word wrong. lol lol

  7. Elmarie A says:

    at least with manson one know what youre dealing with but Freemasons they are snaeaky…

  8. cecilia says:

    ok, a week-end off for Elmarie! “snaeaky”? now was that snaky or sneaky? lol! en ek het gedink dis net my vingers wat soms knoop! maybe we can give the blame over to our keypads?- not reacting as fast as we’re thinking….

  9. Elmarie A says:

    cecilia

    lol lol I get it.
    I’m just trying to figure out what happened ooook here doggie ooops there goes Olak’s bowl of food and now its all on the floor. Sooo I was typing and feeding my Olak and the others doggies at the same time…lol lol I suppose I was thinking about not ssssssssliping on the dog pellets while typing and just got a bit confused about all the ssssss lol lol

    And this was the dogs reaction not funny, don’t laugh

  10. Pete says:

    Is this photo recent? Therein lies the explanation of why Charismania has taken on an almost Kabbalistic mantle.

  11. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Pete

    No this is actually an old photo. Old as in since 2000 I would say. Rick Joyner has always been suspect. You just gotta look at his website and you will notice the intense ‘I wanna be King Arthur’ theme lol. Also the name ‘morningstar’ ministries is very suspect,

  12. Steve says:

    I spent over a year going to Morningstar. I listened intently at Rick’s preaching and have never heard anything come out of is mouth that I would consider contrary to Gods word. However, when I found out that he was in the SMOM (sovereign military order of malta). I stopped going and started thinking about everything that I heard there, and what pops out the most is that I don’t really remember him reading the word and preaching from it, it was always preaching and using Gods word but not right from the bible. The other thing is fear mongering, if we really are the sons & daughters of the most high God, and it’s really the end times, then the church leaders need to be warning people to repent, not making people worry about a muslim takeover of the nation through The Oak Initiative.
    I just can’t, in good faith, allow this man to speak in to my life. I will be praying for him though, praying that God gets a hold of his heart and that anything done in secret would be shown in the light of our Lord Jesus the Christ!

  13. Burning Lamp says:

    Steve, this is so very true of many false teachers. They say one thing but do another. They mix truth and error and the truth ironically serves as a cloak for the error so the error will not be evident. That is why it is very important to examine all things, including the teacher’s activities. There are many who say “Lord, Lord” but are really representing a false Lord, a false Christ. There may be manefestations that are held up as proof of God’s blessing when they are often counterfeits of the enemy posing as an angel of light. May God be praised that He drew you out of this false teaching. When I see the multitudes of people who are caught up in this it grieves my heart. I hope thata by your testimony that others will come out of the darkness and deception.

  14. Ian Williams says:

    Hi Guys, greetings from Christ Church City, New Zealand. I have been getting huge amounts of revelation about the place freemasonry has played in this city, and in the Church/Circe, aka Babylon. One revelation though which overarched them all is that Jesus is or was the LAST RABBI, and that all who come before (in place of) Him are liars and thieves – Vicar, Rabbi, Minister, Father and Pope – there is none righteous – not one.

    Only Jesus is truly righteous, we share in that gift, His righteousness becomes us as we put on Christ, and as we see things from His perspective, at the right hand of Majesty on High. Paul wrote of how that the pride of Israel was like a blindness of heart, and would persist until ALL THE NATIONS come in IN THEIR ENTIRETY – and then ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED.

    Irrespective of whatever the devil’s mob do, God will have His Way – He is the Ultimate Conservative – He wastes nothing – and it is HIS WILL that all should come to KNOW – to be intimately acquainted with, HIM! His words, not mine – so take it up with Jesus – if you dare…

    But in the meantime, be wise as serpents and gentle as doves – wisdom is the principle thing, so get wisdom, and with all your getting, get understanding. Then faith becomes kinda easy because you are used to hearing God and you know His voice and you know something of Him and of His Seven Spirits – the seven facets of His character – and you trust in Him who had a Lamb Slain, as it were, from BEFORE the foundations of the worlds. God is still in control – He has the whole world in His hands – and you are His hands in the world, so do good to your neighbours by the blessing of your hands. Let those who have ears to hear, hear what the Spirit is saying to the Called Out Ones. Peace.

    0(:->)

  15. M'Kayla says:

    >>Who wants to play “Spot the Freemason?”<<

    I will!!!!

    Todd Bentley –
    http://mkayla.wordpress.com/2010/01/12/910/

  16. Hill's Own says:

    Why don’t you like the endtimespropheticwords website? What insights did you get about her errors? Why did they not accept that the changes to your post? Do you remember the topic? So many questions but I hope you will give some answers!

  17. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Hill’s Own

    Yes, Miriam has visions that are unbiblical – this is clairvoyance. In the beginning I thought I would just ignore them when I first found her site. I too was caught up in her web; she sounds so biblical, yet she has these visions, maybe I’ll just ignore the visions and that will make everything ok. She wrote an article on and I fell for it and actually believed her vision and wrote comment No.2 and agreed with this ridiculous vision. Amazing what emotions can do. Later I tried to retract my comment and stated that Miriam’s visions are not of God, and my comment was deleted, I then posted a comment asking them to delete my comment No.2 and they just deleted my comment, but not No.2. Now I see she, 3 years down the line, is asking for money. (very interesting)

  18. Hill's Own says:

    Thanks for explaining. Her site has been inactive for a long time. I hadn’t realized that she had started asking for money. I used to follow her site religiously and left many comments there. I would agree that some of the visions were strange and would only be proved true, if what was prophesied came to pass. Well, have they?

  19. Hill's Own says:

    Hey, I’ve found the comment I left for that post, No.32.

    “When you are operating in the prophetic realm as you are Miriam, you too ought to be tested, even though what you write and share is insightful and helpful to many people. I am thinking that some Regulars on this site might find it hard to do so, to weigh and test your prophecies, visions and dreams, although I could be wrong.

    Be blessed in the Lord.”

    I’ve fixed one typo in the quote.

  20. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Hill’s Own

    She has on many occasions said that she has a 100% track record, yet I don’t know of anything she has said that has come true. You see, we have the Bible, filled to the brim with prophecy that WILL COME TRUE and HAS COME TRUE. So we do not need prophets and prophetesses in our time telling us things that are already in the Bible.

    When I was visiting Miriams website I was confused about certain issues and this was one of them. Now I know that the Bible contains everything we need to know, and we do not need to ask outside sources for guidance and information.

    Yip, there is a donations button at the top of her site. “Donate to support this blog!”

  21. AJ says:

    May I ask where the information is that the Knights of Malta are freemasons? I have not found that to be true.
    And I can tell you, Beloved Deborah, that Rick Joyner is not a freemason. He is one of the most humble, kind, upfront, truth speaking people I have heard. He is like a Father to me and many. If you would come and meet the knights that have come, I think you would have a different opinion, dear one of the Lord.
    May God’s kindness and love be very real to you this day dear sister.
    Amber Joy

  22. Brian says:

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  23. Alena says:

    You’re wrong about Rick Joyner being in a free masonry order. That’s utter nonsense! There are several different orders that sound similiar. There is a Sovereign military order of Malta, an Order of Malta and Knights of Malta. The org Rick Joyner is in is a lay religious order that has to do with chilvary. You critics don’t know Rick Joyner very well, if you think he’s one that is deceived spiritually. He’s a highly anointed and very reputable Prophet of God. You need to get your story straight on him. It’s also dangerous to judge a servant of the Lord, even if he was guilty of wrong. God’s Word says we are not to ever do that. I think that is very serious with God or He wouldn’t have said it. I personally think it can bring a curse. God esteems a position of delegated authority very highly. He respects the position, even if He doesn’t respect the person. King David and Saul are a great example of that. David refused to kill Saul, when it was in his power to do so. God had already repented of making Saul King. That story shows clearly that a servant of God walks in a mantle of God’s anointing. To touch them is a very great sin. David had the young man that killed Saul killed, because the man lacked conviction about taking the life of a King. Not only men and women of God walk in a mantle of God, but government leaders do as well. Saul walked in the delegated authority of God in that position. This is something the church is very ignorant of. They think nothing of handling ministers with disrespect. God is the judge. The Word is clear. If we have a fault with someone, we need to pray for them, not broadcast it to the world. What makes Christians any different than the world, who attack other believers? God doesn’t approve of that. So what makes you think you’re holy enough to judge a servant of the Lord? It’s arrogance and ignorance! All those in spiritual leadership who walk in obedience will be persecuted falsely. I know, I’ve been there, after serving God very faithfully in assignments. It goes with the territory. Jesus was persecuted and said we would be. It also preceeds spiritual promotion. The church really needs to grow in this area.

  24. charles says:

    AJ,
    My father was a Knight of Malta (Scotland)and yes, it is freemasonry.I was once tempted to get into it but the fact that it is secret put me off.

  25. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Alena

    An order is an order is an order and a Templar is a Templar is a Templar and they are all part and parcel of Freemasonry. Even the Rotary Club is a Freemason offshoot. Go do your RESEARCH mkay?

  26. D.W. says:

    [Delete – Lou Engle is a FALSE TEACHER]

  27. Troy says:

    IAfter reading some of the comments here about how upstanding me is I decided I had to comment. I used to travel with a number of Morningstar ministers about 12 years ago and I can assure you Rick is a mason. His second in command at the time ,Steve Thompson is a KOM also. Steve was supposed to be my mentor while I was at the Morn. Star school of min. I have heard in private conversations as well as from the pulput that they arent known for love! My Bible says God is love so if you are not known for love are you known for God? And if not just where are all the prophecies comming from? Rick and Bob Jones said California would fall into the ocean over a decade ago…as far as I know its still there. And as for the person who said Rick is like a father to you…Im sorry but I bet he doesnt even know your name. My best friend took care of Ricks father as he was dying from cancer and lived in his “Ricks” home. He never had time to speak with him when he needed support so I seriously doubt Rick knows or cares who you are. When I compleated ministry school at morningstar I was offered a well payingposition at the ministry and all I could say was

  28. Troy says:

    I cant be a part of your boys club

  29. Carm says:

    I’ve done a lot of looking into the Knights of Malta/ Order of St Johns, as I felt this was something the Spirit was compelling me to do.

    They formed back in the middle ages, as the Pope’s personal guards. Initiates swore allegiance to the Pope with a blood oath. Joining is by invite only, in order to join you have to be a decendent of the original (as in the founding group) Knights of Malta/ St Johns… i.e. back into the occult bloodlines thing / generational occultist. Many of the top leaders/celebrities of the charismatic movement are Knights of Malta, considering that they are generational occultists it’s no wonder they can do all those tricks and things… also no wonder that they will NEVER badmouth Rome, and are actively working to allign the evangelical church with Rome.

    If you look at those 7 mountains/pillars in society, you’ll find Knights of Malta sitting on the top of each – it’s amazing where these people pop up. They seem to be key figures in executing the NWO strategy.

    The Holy Royal Order of The Garter is an inner circle of the Knights of Malta (called Knights in Malta in England / Order of St John in Europe – the names change depending on the geographical location, but it’s pretty much the same club) – like an order within an order. Everyone knows about the Templar’s, but as far as I can deduce these guys are a notch up… they’re the bad boys, the really bad boys.

    And all this info is available in publicly accessible resources, but the average christian couldn’t be bothered finding out about their favourite leaders… “’cause it just feels right”.

  30. Myfanwy Brown says:

    Funny this…since the founding Pastor of my church in SA was caught out cheating with two women (adultery as he was married with kids). He joined the church with Morningstar and this adultery took place a while later. Always goes back to my point.. freemasons, Catholicism and sexual sin.

  31. Maureen says:

    Yes, we do have many wolves in sheep’s clothing whom satan has put in the pulpit plus many who are freemasons and in the occult. Not only in the pulpit but in the congregations as well. However, pray for these people that God will remove them if they do not repent and live as Jesus Christ commands us to live. Sadly this has been from the earliest times in the Bible. Pray, do not judge, yes remove yourself from the church and find a Church where God’s Word is correctly preached, forgive and Bless these people – rather pray for God to help them recognise their sins and if they do not want to repent then ask God to remove them from the pulpit. But I once again encourage not to judge, do not gossip, forgive, love, pray and bless them

  32. rowena says:

    Rick Joyner’s reply:
    Is The OSJ connected to the Masons?

    No. Neither are there any secret vows or rituals in the OSJ. The OSJ is a true Christian order, and the vows for knighthood are commitments to be servants of Christ and no other god, as well as to Christian truth and principles. The eight pointed Maltese Cross was designed to represent the eight beatitudes of Christ which the knight was to wear on his heart at all times as a constant reminder of what was to be in his heart.

    Because some believe that the origin of the Masons was the Knights Templer (Knights of the Temple), which also had its origin in the crusades at about the same time as the OSJ as well as a number of other orders, some have tried to assert that the Masons and OSJ are related. Actually, when the Templer knights were excommunicated for their secret vows and rituals that were considered to be witchcraft, they believed that the OSJ was behind their debacle, and some consider the OSJ to be the greatest enemy of the Masons to this day. However, most Masons, and members of the OSJ, are oblivious to this, as well as much of the rest of their history. I have also heard that in some countries Masons and the OSJ do work together for charitable causes that both are committed to, such as hospitals and medical relief.

    Some have also concluded that they are related because the head of each is called a Grand Master. These are simply titles that were left over from the Middle Ages, and such guilt by random association is a symptom of paranoia which may be an even greater danger in the future than any wayward order. Should Christians give up their title as priests to the Lord because there are satanic priests? We don’t throw away our real money because someone finds a counterfeit, neither should we give up our vocabulary just because the enemy decides to use it.

    Also, even though the majority of Masons are only aware of three degrees (Apprentice, Journeyman, and Master Mason) there is a secret society within some Masonic groups that recognize thirty-three degrees. Each of these degrees has a title, and the title given to the twenty-seventh degree is “Knight of Malta.” Some assert that this proves there is a relationship between them, but they also use other Christian titles for some of these degrees, none of which do I believe relate to the Christian use of it. I do not think that we should give up any of them just because some Masons use them.

    As a Christian I am deeply alarmed by everything I have studied about the Masons. I do not know how any Christian can make the basic vow required for entry to the Masons. I have not, nor would I ever be a part of any secret society, or one that has secret rituals. The OSJ has neither. They do everything in the light, all of its vows and rituals are Christian, and are commitments to basic Christian doctrine.

    There are some who claim to be the true OSJ that do at least have teachings that I believe to be in conflict with basic Christian truth, but we also have groups that claim to be the true Christian church that do as well. Should Christians stop calling themselves the church because some who are not true Christians call themselves the church? Again, I do not intend to let those with such flawed reasoning dictate what I do or do not do, as I am committed to walking by faith, not by fear.

    Do I think that we need orders in Christianity?

    Ideally no. I think that simply being a member of the body of Christ is the greatest honor that we can ever have on this earth. However, because of the present and historic weaknesses of the church in general, they have served a great purpose in creating spiritual advances, and will again do so for at least the near future.

    Just as Count Zinzendorf, the true father of modern missions, created the Order of the Mustard Seed, which touched and inspired men like John Wesley to release a spiritual fire in the earth that created the First Great Awakening in America and Europe, I think that the church is in desperate need of groups who will join together to press beyond the state of modern Christianity as it is generally found in most of the world. Call these “elitist” groups if you want, but we need them to call all Christians to higher standards of faith and life. I make no apologies for my plans to start one (which I will explain later), and to assist the OSJ to accomplish its mandate. Such a thing will only be offensive to the lukewarm and the fearful, which in the midst of our present distress, I do not believe we have the time to care about offending.

    For several years I have considered starting a special fellowship for those who will rise up to become true Christian knights of the Spirit. A year ago I was given a clear mandate from the Lord to do this, which He also showed me was given many years ago but I had not understood it as such. It is to be a fellowship of those who would walk in a manner worthy of their calling, never retreating before the enemies of the cross, or compromising their principles or integrity, intent on one mission—following the King, fighting His battles, and standing resolutely for His truth.

    As a part of this program we are also called to start a similar fellowship for children and youth. I appreciate programs like Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts, but the church is in need of something that greatly surpasses these programs in preparing the coming generation for their purpose. What we are now starting is a program that takes children from eight years old and plants sound doctrine deep in their hearts, while raising them up to be true knights of the Spirit who will live their entire lives as such. If they are alone in a foreign land, they will conduct themselves as such—always ready to defend the truth, the poor, and the oppressed, representing our King in a manner worthy of His soldiers.

    Recently I was given a little book of sermons by John G. Lake, one of the great Christian leaders of modern times. Lake not only had one of the most effective ministries in history, he seemed to be one of those rare souls who walked in a manner worthy of his calling to the end, never falling to the pride or other worldly seductions that trip up so many. He wrote shortly before he died in 1935:

    “I am getting ready in my soul, not to preach the old message with the old fire, but the new message with the new fire—not only to ask men to be good and go to heaven when they die, but to be God-like in character, nature, substance, and being. God is priming our souls. He is going to send forth the living waters and call by experience the new order of Knights of the Morning Star into being and action.” (Spiritual Hunger and Other Sermons by John G. Lake, page 18. Published by Christ For The Nations, Inc.)
    When I saw this I did take it as a prophecy whose time had come. I am looking for those who will devote themselves to true spiritual chivalry and nobility who will not only speak the truth, but will live it. We are seeking the fellowship of those who will live by the courage that it will take to resist the great darkness of our times that is rising from both within and without. I am looking for extreme Christians who will not hesitate to lay down their lives for the sake of the gospel. I am looking for those who will conduct themselves as the true nobility in the earth, sons and daughters of the King, even when they are alone with no one to see them but God. I am looking for those who will live with a zeal that burns away the chaff of lukewarmness that so grips modern Christianity, but do it without falling to the ultimate sin of pride, who will remain humble by being teachable, and who will consider it their duty to serve the poor and the oppressed until every captive has been set free.

    Q. If the OSJ is not a secret order, why have so few Christians heard of it?

    I think that few American Christians have heard of it, and we do tend to have the pride that if something does not start with us, or is not known by us, it must not be important.

    Before I was knighted I thoroughly checked out the OSJ to be sure that there were not secret vows or rituals, which I am steadfastly against as I believe that anything that has to be done in secret is of darkness, and my resolution is to walk in the light. I found that there were many groups that claimed to be the true remnant of the OSJ, and many of these had fallen to weird, if not demonic, practices. I also studied the position that the Roman Catholic OSJ had taken when it was re-commissioned, declaring themselves to alone be the true order, which, in my opinion is the same erroneous position that they had taken when they declared themselves to be the only true church. From my research I concluded that the OSJ that had recommended me for investiture was in fact the one that had the greatest claim on this great title.

    When I talked to the head of the Order about this he said very generously that the OSJ was now much like the church, divided into many different groups, some of which claimed to be the only valid one, but that he was committed to recognizing all who were true knights of the cross, as such. It is true that there are many weird groups on the fringe of the church that claim to be the true church who are now at best sects, and some of which have become cults. Should we stop calling ourselves the church because of them? Of course not. In fact these help purify the motives of those who are a part of the church, as do many of these strange groups who also claim to be knights of Malta.

    I have many other things that I will be sharing about this in the future, but time prevents me from doing so now. However, you can be sure that we will be open and forthright about all that we do and why. I do appreciate people’s questions about it, though I do confess to not wanting to waste time with those who I feel are in the grip of invalid spiritual fears and paranoia. I do not expect everyone to agree with us, and do believe that just as almost all of Europe considered the OSJ “archaic relics from the past” until they rose up and saved Europe, we do not expect to be understood or appreciated by much of the church today. Honestly, that is not important to me anyway. I just want to know that I am being obedient to the King, Jesus.

    Epic spiritual battles are now being fought. Great knights of the Spirit are now gathering, and are likewise vowing to never retreat before the enemies of the cross. They are taking their stand against the great powers of darkness that even now seem to be covering the earth, seeking to build their strongholds of deception and corruption in every nation and culture. Brave spiritual knights are gathering to take their stand against these hordes from hell. They are building their own strongholds on truth, honor, and true spiritual chivalry. Our fight will take no less courage, endurance, and focused vision to prevail. We would do well to review, and take courage from the great history of the Order of St. John.

    .

  33. Rick Joyner wrote:

    Do I think that we need orders in Christianity?

    Ideally no. I think that simply being a member of the body of Christ is the greatest honor that we can ever have on this earth. However, because of the present and historic weaknesses of the church in general, they have served a great purpose in creating spiritual advances, and will again do so for at least the near future.

    One of Rick Joyner’s generals who “served a great purpose in creating spiritual advances” was the heretic, William Branham.

    Joyner sees William Branham exalted in heaven: During one of his visits to “heaven” Joyner believes he saw a minister he recognised from his childhood seated on “one of the thrones,” (p. 144), of highest honour next to Jesus’ throne. Joyner believes that “Jesus” told him that “I just wanted you to see him here… and understand the position he had with Me… He was a messenger to My last days church but the church could not hear him… his message … must be recovered,” (p. 145). Gods Generals says of Branham that “From a vision he insinuated, (though never formally acknowledged) that he was THE end –time messenger, and THE Laodicean prophet, who could reveal the seventh seal in the book of Revelation,” (p. 340). So both describe this man as a great spiritual messenger.

    The scale of ministry matches: Branham was an extremely well known, (and controversial), healing evangelist. His meetings in South Africa in 1951, for example, drew “crowds estimated to be fifty thousand…Every bus in the city was put to work, and still people could not be transported to the Branham meetings,” (p. 331 of Gods Generals). This would fit Joyner’s view of this man having been “a great evangelist,” (p. 144)

    Continue to read here.
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  34. Dear rowena

    Rick Joyner said “However, because of the present and historic weaknesses of the church in general”

    Really? The church aka The Bride of Christ is weak?

    Let’s see what Jesus Christ says:

      Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

    Who do you follow rowena, Rick Joyner or Jesus Christ the Son of God?

    Rick Joyner says “I have not, nor would I ever be a part of any secret society, or one that has secret rituals.”

    Masons are told to lie to everyone but another Mason. Satan is the father of all lies. He is part of the Knights of Malta a Knights Templers, a Masonic Order, it’s not a Christian order – no such thing!

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Terms and Conditions for Submission of Comments

Terms and Conditions:terms and conditions

Because this world is becoming more evil by the minute and Discerning the World is coming under attack more often from people with some very nasty dispositions, we now have ‘Terms and Conditions for Submission of Comments’ which you need to agree too before you can comment – this is to protect us and you when you comment on this website.  If you are not here to harm Discerning the World and it’s authors, please by all means comment, however if you are here to cause harm in any way, please don’t comment.

The following conditions does not mean that the authors of Discerning The World permit only opinions that are in agreement with us. This also does not mean that we fear dissenting opinions or ideas that are contrary to the beliefs that we hold (and/or that of the revealed Scriptures of the Holy Bible).

The following describes the Terms and Conditions applicable to your use of the “Comments” submission service at the Discerning the World website.

BY CLICKING THE “POST COMMENT” BUTTON FOR YOUR COMMENT, YOU AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS AND ABIDE BY ALL OF THE RULES AND POLICIES SET FORTH HEREIN. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS, DO NOT SUBMIT YOUR COMMENT TO DISCERNING THE WORLD WEB SITE.

  1. Discerning the World owns and operates the DiscerningtheWorld.com site (the “Site”). Your use of the features on the Site allowing for submission of a “Comment” is subject to the following terms and conditions (the “Terms”). Discerning the World may modify these Terms at any time without notice to you by posting revised Terms on the Site. Your submission of a “Comment” to the Site following the modification of these Terms shall constitute your binding acceptance of and agreement to be bound by those modified Terms.
  2. By submitting a “Comment” you are accepting these Terms through your clicking of the “POST COMMENT” button.
  3. Discerning the World has the right, but not the obligation, to take any of the following actions, in Discerning the World’s sole unfettered discretion, at any time, and for any reason or no reason, without providing any prior notice:
    1. Restrict, suspend or terminate your ability to submit “Comments,” to the Site;
    2. Change, suspend or modify all or any part of the Site or the features thereof;
    3. Refuse or remove any material posted on, submitted to or communicated through the Site by you;
    4. Deactivate or delete any screen names, profiles or other information associated with you; or
    5. Alter, modify, discontinue or remove any comment off the Site.
  4. You agree that, when using or accessing the Site or any of the features thereof, you will not:
    1. Violate any applicable law or regulation;
    2. Interfere with or damage the Site, through hacking or any other means;
    3. Transmit or introduce to the Site or to other users thereof any viruses, cancel bots, Trojan horses, flood pings, denial of service attacks, or any other harmful code or processes;
    4. Transmit or submit harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, deceptive, fraudulent, obscene, indecent, vulgar, lewd, violent, hateful or otherwise objectionable content or material;
    5. Transmit or submit any unsolicited advertising, promotional materials, or spam;
    6. Stalk or harass any user or visitor to the Site; or
    7. Use the content or information available on the Site for any improper purpose.
  5. You retain the Copyright of any “Comment” you submit to Discerning the World. By submitting a “Comment” to Discerning the World, you agree to grant Discerning the World a irrevocable, non-exclusive, royalty-free, perpetual license to use the material or commentary that you have submitted, in any medium and in any manner that Discerning the World may, in its sole unfettered discretion, choose.
  6. By submitting a “Comment” to Discerning the World, you agree to comply with the following rules concerning such submissions:
    1.  You agree not to include in your “Comment”:
      1. Any false, defamatory, libelous, abusive, threatening, racially offensive, sexually explicit, obscene, harmful, vulgar, hateful, illegal, or otherwise objectionable content;
      2. Any content that may be seen as stalking or harassing of any other Site contributors;
      3. Any content that personally attacks an individual. (An example of a personal attack is posting negative comments about an individual in a way meant to demean that person. Note that posting your opinion about someone’s ideas, doctrine or actions is not a personal attack);
      4. Any content that discloses private details concerning any person, for eg., phone numbers that have not been made public, photos that are not in the public domain, residential address that is not public, ID numbers, Social Security numbers, email addresses that are not in the public domain, etc.;
      5. Any content that you know to be false, misleading, or fraudulent;
      6. Any use of profanity;
      7. Any content including advertisements or otherwise focused on the promotion of commercial events or businesses, or any request for or solicitation of money, goods, or services for private gain;
      8. Any content that contains software viruses or any other computer code, files or programs designed to interrupt, destroy or limit the functionality of any computer software or hardware or telecommunications equipment; or
      9. Any content directly or indirectly soliciting responses from minors (defined as anyone under 18 years of age).
  7. FAIR USE NOTICE:
    1. If any part of the “Comment” is not your original work, it is your responsibility to add the name of the third party, name the book with page number or a link (url) to the website where you obtained the information.
    2. Your “Comment” may contain Copyrighted material, the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. You are however allowed to make such material available in your “Comment” in an effort to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc.  This constitutes a ‘fair use’ of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this Site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to:http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml.
    3. If you wish to use copyrighted material from a website or any other medium for purposes to add to your “Comment” that go beyond ‘fair use’, you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. (Fair Use means you may quote from copyrighted sources, but you may not publish the whole article, book, etc., in your “Comment”.)
  8. You are solely responsible for the “Comment” you upload, post, transmit or otherwise make available to others using this Web Site. Under no circumstances will Discerning the World be liable in any way for any “Comment” posted on or made available through this Site by you or any third party.
  9. You understand that all “Comments” on this Site are pre-screened or moderated. That means that every “Comment” needs to be approved by Discerning the World before it appears in the “Comments” section.  This is not an automatic process.  Discerning the World does this for SPAM reasons.
  10. Discerning the World has the right (but not the obligation) in their sole unfettered discretion to remove any “Comment” that is posted on or available through the Site. Without limiting the foregoing, Discerning the World has the right to remove any “Comment” that violates these Terms or is otherwise deemed objectionable by Discerning the World in its sole discretion.
  11. You understand that Discerning the World in their sole unfettered discretion is not obligated and can not be forced in any manner, be it legal or otherwise to remove any “Comment” that is posted on or made available through the Site by you.
  12. When submitting a “Comment,” you will be asked to provide your name and your email address. While Discerning the World does not object to your use of a pseudonym instead of your actual name, Discerning the World reserves the right, but not the obligation, to reject, change, disallow, or discontinue at any time any submission name that, in Discerning the World’s sole unfettered discretion, is objectionable or inappropriate for any reason. Discerning the World requires the submission of your email address, but Discerning the World warrants that it will not publish your email address to an outside third party without your consent.
  13. Discerning the World does not sell or rent your personal information to third parties for their marketing purposes. From time to time, Discerning the World may contact you personally via email. Notwithstanding the foregoing, you acknowledge and understand that the “Comments” feature of the Site is designed to permit users to post information and commentary for public review and comment and thus you hereby waive any expectation of privacy you may have concerning any likeness or information provided to the Site by you.
  14. You are solely responsible for your interactions with other users of or visitors to the Site.
    1. Discerning the World shall have the right, but not the obligation, to monitor interactions utilizing the “Comments” facility of the Site, between you and other users of or visitors to the Site. You acknowledge and agree that Discerning the World, or any third party shall not be, and you shall not seek to hold them, responsible for any harm or damage whatsoever arising in connection with your interaction with other users of or visitors to the Site.
    2. Discerning the World does not verify any information posted to or communicated via the “Comments” sections of the Site by users and does not guarantee the proper use of such information by any party who may have access to the information. You acknowledge and agree that Discerning the World does not assume, and shall not have, any responsibility for the content of messages or other communications sent or received by users of the Site.
  15. The Site contains content created by or on behalf of Discerning the World as well as content provided by third parties.
    1. Discerning the World does not control, and makes no representations or warranties about, any third party content, including such content that may be accessible directly on the Site or through links from the Site to third party sites.
    2. You acknowledge that, by viewing the Site or communications transmitted through the Site, you may be exposed to third party content that is false, offensive or otherwise objectionable to you or others, and you agree that under no circumstances shall Discerning the World be liable in any way, under any theory, for any third party content.
    3. You acknowledge and agree that the Site, and the contents thereof, is proprietary to Discerning the World and is protected by copyright. You agree that you will not access or use the Site or any of the content thereof for any reason or purpose other than your personal, non-commercial use.
    4. You agree that you will not systematically retrieve data or other content from the Site by any means, and you will not compile a database or directory of information extracted from the Site.
    5. You agree that you will not reproduce, distribute or make derivative works of the Site or any of the contents thereof without the express consent of Discerning the World.
    6. You hereby agree to indemnify, defend and hold harmless Discerning the World, its affiliates and licensees, and all of their officers, directors, employees, agents and representatives from and against any and all liabilities, losses, claims, damages, and expenses (including attorneys’ fees) in connection with any claim arising out of your use of the Site or violation of any of these Terms.

DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTY/LIMITATION OF LIABILITY.

  • YOU EXPRESSLY AGREE THAT USE OF THE SITE IS AT YOUR SOLE RISK. NEITHER DISCERNING THE WORLD, ITS AFFILIATES, NOR ANY OF THEIR RESPECTIVE EMPLOYEES, AGENTS, OR LICENSORS WARRANT THAT THE SITE WILL BE UNINTERRUPTED, TIMELY, SECURE OR ERROR FREE.
  • THE SITE IS PROVIDED ON AN “AS IS” BASIS WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO WARRANTIES OF TITLE OR IMLPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
  • THIS DISCLAIMER OF LIABILITY APPLIES TO ANY DAMAGES OR INJURY CAUSED BY ANY FAILURE OF PERFORMANCE, ERROR, OMISSION, INTERRUPTION, DELETION, DEFECT, DELAY, COMMUNICATION LINE FAILURE, THEFT OR DESTRUCTION OR UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO, ALTERATION OF OR USE, WHETHER FOR BREACH OF CONTRACT, TORTIOUS BEHAVIOR, NEGLIGENCE OR UNDER ANY OTHER CAUSE OF ACTION. YOU SPECIFICALLY ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT DISCERNING THE WORLD SHALL NOT BE LIABLE FOR THE DEFAMATORY, OFFENSIVE OR ILLEGAL CONDUCT OF USERS OF THE SITE OR THIRD PARTIES, AND THAT THE RISK OF INJURY FROM THE FOREGOING RESTS ENTIRELY WITH THE YOU THE COMMENTER.
  • IN NO EVENT WILL DISCERNING THE WORLD, ITS AFFILIATES OR ANY OF THEIR RESPECTIVE EMPLOYEES, AGENTS OR LICENSORS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR PUNITIVE DAMAGES, EVEN IF THEY HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES, ARISING FROM, RELATING TO OR CONNECTED WITH THE USE OR INABILITY TO USE THE SITE OR ANY OTHER MATTER ARISING FROM, RELATING TO OR CONNECTED WITH THE SITE OR THESE TERMS.

16. These Terms constitute the entire agreement between Discerning the World and you with respect to the subject matter hereof, and supersede any previous oral or written agreement between us with respect to such subject matter.

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