Andrew Strom gets it WRONG again…
Andrew Strom gets it WRONG again…
This is becoming a habit Andrew Strom and very irritating. Come now, stop it.
This email just came into my mailbox from REVIVAL List by Andrew Strom. Read and laugh or cry…
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REVIVAL IN SOUTH AFRICA
ANDREW: A couple of years ago I was in South Africa and wrote when I got back how encouraged I was to see how God was moving in that nation – especially amongst the white Afrikaners – which was powerful and amazing. Below is another report of the great things happening in that country:
My name is Jeff Zak, and I am a minister in Nelson BC, Canada.
I just came back from South Africa, and attended the Mighty Men’s
Conference at Shalom farm, with Angus Buchan- 450,000 men
were there – [they only expect 300,000 for the World Cup there] it
was a powerful and incredible time – I know of one other Canadian
who was there at this time… repentance was preached at all
sessions – thousands of first time professions of Christ took place…
we were awakened art 4:30 am by the bugles for prayer at the
camp… I stayed with a group of Australian brothers, and a
pastor from the Congo…
My father died while I was there, and I could not make it back
for the funeral, and my family encouraged I complete the itinerary
[My wife and I, Marilyn, have six children] – however, I later had
the privilege of preaching in colored churches, and a Congo
church in Durban SA and an Indian church in Petermirizberg –
these people are hungry for God – the Zulus are up at 5 am praying
daily while I was there – one church of colored people in Cape
Town had been on a 21 day Daniel fast when I arrived, and were
breaking it today… so it was easy to speak there in that atmosphere…
So, there is a prosperity message problem in some
churches, but not in the township churches I visited- God is also
doing great things, and revealing the cross, His sacrifice of His
Son for the sin of mankind, and his love for those who turn to him…
I believe I saw revival breaking out at the camp MAC 2010, and
pray God will move throughout Africa & the earth… a pastor brother
from Nigeria shared that they are experiencing revival in his area as well…
http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/
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Why are we laughing/crying Andrew Strom? Because you can’t tell the truth from a lie if it jumped out and bit you on the nose. You say you moved away from the New Apostolic Reformation and Peter Wagner et al YET Andrew… this is going to come as a shock to you, but Andrew…
*going to give the bad news too you very gently*
Angus Buchan and the whole Revival in South Africa is part of the New Apostolic Reformation. Yes, your friends 🙂
Please see here for the truth, if you care Andrew. And in case you didn’t know, Revival in ‘False Christian terminology” really means a Transformation to Socialism. http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2013/08/04/what-did-you-think-revival-meant/
Now that you know this, will you stop promoting Socialism? Or will you once again prove to us that you are a false teacher supporting the antiChrist?
We wait with bated breaths, but we won’t hold them too long. I think 10 seconds should do it.
The Might Men Conference 2010 was supposed to be the LAST MMC by Angus Buchan (dubbed The Completion). Their numerology calculations was based on the fact that there were 7 MMC’s and 7 is the number of completion. Then after Eugène Terre’Blanche’s murder they realised they needed to go back to their numbers so they calculated 7+1 = 8 and that gives them reason to hold 2 MMC’s in Soweto (The number 8 being the number of new beginnings).
Also the Global Day of Prayer that will be held in South Africa soon and has Cindy Jacobs as a speaker (Cindy Jacobs – Right Wing Xtian Nazi Communist) and George Otis Jr. Yes, Andrew… and it’s no mistake on their part. Angus Buchan is part and parcel of C. Peter Wagner’s NAR.
See the following articles on Angus Buchan and friends:
- Angus Buchan’s Holy Ghost Chaos or….was it Something Else.
- NAR Invasion of SA – Rick Joyner, Angus Buchan, Danie Slabbert, Nevil Norden @ Apostolic Prophetic Conference – July 2012
- Angus Buchan and the Roman Catholic Reconciliation
- The ‘Manifest Sons of God’ belief of Angus Buchan
- The Dominionist Faith of Angus Buchan – Faith Like Potatoes
- Open Letter to Graham Power regarding the Unashamedly Ethical Campaign
- Angus Buchan and the Promise Keepers
- Stand Up and be Counted – Might Men Conference 2010
- Angus Buchan, Benny Hinn and God TV (with Wendy and Rory Alec)
- Graham Power & Angus Buchan – The Transformation of Africa
- Dion Forster and The Drive By Rebuking Video
- Turn2God at the Union Buildings was…
- What did YOU think Revival meant?
- National Initiative for the Reformation of South Africa – NIRSA
- Elza Meyer Attacked by Demons, Saved by Son
- Cindy Jacobs – Two Truly False Prophecies for Zimbabwe and Africa
- False Teachers and Prophets – Methods of Operation
- Why does Angus Buchan get promoted by God TV
SEE LATEST: Andrew Strom and J Lee Grady – False Teachers waiting for the Spiritual Revival of the Roman Catholic Church
UPDATE 28 May 2015 – ANDREW STROM contacted DTW and asked for this article among others to be removed, we asked him to please answer a few questions we have that are bothersome. He refuses to answer. See comments starting here: https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2013/06/21/andrew-strom-and-j-lee-grady-false-teachers-waiting-for-the-spiritual-revival-of-the-roman-catholic-church/#comment-441555
pheeeeeeww! blown away!
I would say read it and cry. Cry out of grief for Strom’s blindness and ignorance. He could be compared to someone with a deadly disease who underwent treatment and thought it was cured but in fact it is still viable. In a twist of irony he is now a carrier of this deadly disease of which he claims to be “cured”. That makes him more of a threat than when he went for it whole-hog and when it was coming in through the front door rather than sneaking through the back as it is now.
Note my post under the Angus thread – he is now welcomed at the 150 anniversary of the Andrew Murray revival. What a travesty!
Yikes !!!
Good for you in exposing Andrew Strom.
He is damaging the unity of the body of Christ
and hurting the leadership that is being raised up by God
teaching the whole Gospell that displaces the denominations who have given only half measures and are full of teachers that deny the power of the cross.
Strom’s so called discernment is well off, pure prejudice.
See below
Stroms own writings show he lacks real discernment.
THE “TORONTO” CONTROVERSY – DISTURBING NEW FACTS FROM HISTORY
by Andrew Strom.
Strom misses real deception and fails to reveal the key facts.
He quotes in the article Jessie Penn-Lewis as an authority on exposing deception.
If Andrew is really discerning he would realise that she was a very questionable influence on the Welsh revival and a major source of damage?
Please read the below – it is the most chilling example of deceptions ever to touch revival,
I quote from:
http://www.sermonindex.net
War on the Saints by Jessie Penn-Lewis and Evan Roberts
J. Penn – Lewis is thought by some to be the primary reason the Welsh Revival was quenched. In it’s height, Roberts quit leading, and moved to her estate. Evidently there were some issues with unruliness and “order.”, and the manifestation of devils in the meetings. Penn-Lewis influenced Evans to see it her way. This book, WAR ON THE SAINTS was written there. 6 months after the revival, which had a strong social impact…in that the Pubs shut down, and the jails empty and arrests were Nil…not counting a general repentance from the coal mines to the fabric mills…everything reverted back to it’s former realm of unbelief. Evans tried to make a comeback, but it could not happen. He never returned to ministry of any kind. He never married, and became a poet…mired in general obscurity.
Mrs. Penn-Lewis continued as a speaker, and was well known in her circles and at various conventions.
She Prophesied, and recorded them, and believed that her prophecies held the same authority as the Word of God, and God himself spoke as she did.
One of the phenomena of the Welsh revival was worship; the singing of hymns and songs, for hours and hours during their meetings. There was not , in general , anointed Apostolic preaching and instruction as it’s base….and in my opinion was the core reason why it crumbled. Eventually, as I see it, it was turned over to a controlling woman , who saw fit to discredit it; and Evans Roberts was culpable. It is a very sad testimony in the annuls of revival, but one that we should glean from.
Revivals must be stewarded by mature and holy men who cling to the Word alone, and have the authority to prune it when necessary, and to nurture it…by allowing the Lord the Spirit to rule alone.
Considering Penn-Lewis? Maybe it was her who was warring against the Saints.
http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=25727&forum=13&7
Second account
Many people became associated with the revival as it grew. Among these was a well-to-do woman named Jessie Penn- Lewis. For years Penn-Lewis had considered herself a Bible teacher, but she had never found a broad acceptance for her teachings. She had largely been rejected or ignored by most church leaders in Wales. At first, Jessie Penn-Lewis appeared as a friend and financial supporter to Evans Roberts. She gained his confidence, and began speaking into his life.
Long time friends of Evans Roberts expressed concerns that she appeared to isolate Roberts too much, but Roberts trusted Penn-Lewis completely. She began to minister certain messages to Roberts, which appeared to him to be profound corrections from the Lord. These filled him with condemnation. He was convinced her deep “truths”were things he needed to hear.
Mrs. Penn-Lewis began to express her“concern”to Evans that with the revival’s great success, perhaps too much glory was going to Evans Roberts instead of to God. The thought of stealing God’s glory horrified the sincere young man. He began to think that perhaps others should lead for a while.
Penn-Lewis convinced Evans Roberts to withdraw from public ministry, and to move into the Penn-Lewis home. Evans Roberts never returned to the ministry. The Welsh revival ended quickly and quietly.
After a short time in the Penn-Lewis home, Evans Roberts began experiencing severe bouts of depression. Often he was unable to leave the bed for days at a time. He appeared nervous and anxious. By today’s standards he was in severe clinical depression. It took a toll on his health.
Meanwhile, Penn-Lewis began writing articles and letters in Evans Roberts’name, and on his behalf. These were published in both Roberts and Penn-Lewis’name, and eventually, in her name alone. According to many former close associates of Evans Roberts, some of the works attributed to him could not possibly have had his approval.
http://www.jonhamilton.org/The%20Nature%20of%20Our%20Enemy.pdf
By aligning himself with Penn-Lewis, Strom enters the very place of association with deception.
This is one of the most chilling example of deceptions ever to touch revival, yet self appointed arch heretic hunter Strom totally misses it
(giving Penn-Lewis his implied approval).
Can Stroms discernment really be trusted ? I think not.
Geoff
Hi Geoff
Quick question, what do you mean by:
I have split your sentense into a two part question.
Thanks
Deborah, I share your sentiments – I am weary of all of it. Did you intend to name the blog? If you did, I missed it. My computer is dong weird things and the print has turned tiny and I haven’t figured out yet how to fix it. I have been told that Berit Kjos is Calvinist but I haven’t verified that. I know Tim Challies, Apprising Minidtries, Pirate Radio, Mike Gendrum, Ingrid Schlueter are all Calvinist. Oh, forgot Bob Dewaay. Not sure about Bud Press.
It seems that the truth and sound doctrine are not important to the discernment community anymore either!
I have run out of tear also, but am just angry at the hypocrisy. You seem to be the last “man” standing – this blog has become a snactuary for those still clinging to Truth. Of course you will be hated, but you are strengthened by the Lord to
hang tough.
What is frustrating is that no one wants to hear and they look at anyone with their head on straight as if they had 3 heads. Please Lord Jesus, come quickly!!!
BL
The blog I was referring too where they support andrew strom is pjmiller. wordpress .com – they also link to Early church fathers that links to links on the Blessed virgin Mary etc. When I asked about this too my comment was deleted. Also some other strange stuff on PJMillers site.
The other blog I will write a full article on as I need to get the article from their website with my comment and show it to the world and then apologise for being a CHOP! I tried to retract my comment by apologising there publicly and they deleted it, so they leave me no choice but to apologise here. Their mistake.
This is what I see.
1. Andrew Storm has left the Kansas City Prophets. NAR. He seem to have sympathisers in the calvinist ( another false teaching) that now has Paul Washer as their flag bearer.
Either way he has yet to go into the wilderness like Paul, Abraham or Jesus and learn the truth for himself. If he had done that he would quit the speaking circuit and just share real truth he learns each day.
I see 2 false revival
1. False lying signs and wonders.(JOhn Chowder, Todd , NAR etc)
2. False holiness – by scare tactics. Big difference between conviction and condemnation. Holy Spirit convicts not condemns, the devil condemns. The gospel convicts and provides the Good News. Not usescare tactics to produce a bunch of instant calvinist like Paul washer.
Justin John
My question?
Do you have evidence this is so? That he has aligned himself with Calvinists and running his own show. Thank for this post. I put on my Facebook Page.
Justin John
Can I just add a bit to No.2 What is really meant by revival is Social Transformation.
I don’t remember saying that Andrew Strom has aligned himself with Calvinists. But I see you say that he has. I am confused. lol. Who are you asking this question too?
I am asking if Andrew Storm has aligned himself to calvinist. Not you. Do you have evidence if he has. Now that you mentioned. You (deborah) are you a clavinits? lol. Justin
Justin
No I am not a calvnist. I just exposed Calvinism and have a hard time because did. See here: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/04/20/paul-washer-practice-the-presence-silence-and-meditation/ and and
http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/05/16/ingrid-schlueter-celebrates-holy-cross-day/
Re:- Strom aligning himself with Calvinists? Well that is something we can always find out.
PS, If Andrew Strom replies to you on this blog then consider it to be a sign and wonder
My son ran off with Andrews group and said he could have nothing to do with us because we were materialistic…Andrew Strom is a pied piper youth pastor who wants no Adults in his ministry because they are a threat! My son has since left the group and we are waiting for him to come full circle…we still see lingering false beliefs…
Elizabeth
Goodness. Does Andrew actually have a church group? I’ve never really bothered to check. Are there many of them or just one? You know it’s difficult responding to comments like yours because when you hear things like this it’s shocking.
I see he is now going on about a new thing called the Emergent church that is gaining ground. Oh my word… this guy is so in another time zone.
Hi. I’ve wondered about Andrew myself. Sometimes he says things that seem right and other times he sounds just like those he claimed to have separated from. I also get the impression he writes about things that others have already exposed, in a way that makes them sound like they are his own “revelations”. I know we all learn from each other but there is a pattern I have been seeing with him. I also cannot stand it when anyone who refers to themselves or their ministry as John the Baptist. It was either Dutch Sheets or Lou Engle who just recently did the same thing, and when I saw Andrew’s new endeavor with the same name it really bothered me. They are not preparing the way of the Lord; He has already come. ugh.
Having come out of charismania – healing rooms – false prophetic – the supernatural – myself I am still working through what I believe. I have a blog in which I warn others – mostly in what I personally experienced, but sometimes use the experience and teachings of others. Some of them you have named here. I guess we all need to pay very close attention to who we trust and take teaching from.
I appreciate your time and focus. Thanks for the work you do.
Thank you for exposing Andrew Strom. I was on the e-mailing list and I didn’t know about his false teachings until I run into your page. I did have a facebook link of him and his group, but something was telling of my back of my head when I see the word ‘Revival Teacher’. I only see the word ‘revial’ and I begain to qustion it, but I bush it off. After I read this article, I go ahead and remove him from my facebook page and I send a e-mail to remove me from the mailing list. I did not know the word ‘revial’ is not found in the Bible. I need to check these people out before I know if they are really preach a Biblical truth.
Meg,
Just because the word “revival” isn’t in the bible doesn’t mean that it’s unbiblical. God has revived the church many times throughout it’s history.
Deborah,
Just because someone is what you call a “Calvinist” doesn’t mean they’re a heretic. Some of the men that God has used the most in the history of the church have held some of these beliefs.
Calvinism is the teaching of the reformation and is a true interpretation of sound Biblical doctrine. No other body of teaching adequately explains salvation by grace alone and revelation through the Bible alone. If I had known these things earlier in my walk with Christ, I would have avoided the errors of Pentecostalism and the Charismatic movement.
Andrew Strom was not allowed to enter the US – he has now gone back to Australia/New Zealand. Maybe this will be his wilderness experience and by GOD’S grace, will find Truth.
We all were in error some time or other. none of us were born with truth.
Grace AND Truth to you all in Christ Jesus
Ian, you think you have found the truth, but you have bought into yet another lie.
Read the info exposing the errors of TULIP and Calvinism on this site and then do your own research. It is a heresy of the worst sort because it guts the true biblical Gospel.
Tom wrote:
Tom
Really? False teachers used mightily by God, interesting.
I don’t believe I have ever made a statement regarding the salvation of Calvinist/Reformed folks. However, the doctrine runs counter to the true message of salvation.
The P which stands for Perseverance of the Saints does NOT agree with the biblical eternal security of the believer. It stems from a wrong premise, that being that the natural result of Calvinist doctrine is that God picks some to be saved and some to be lost. According to Reformed thought, if God chooses someone to be saved, there is no way the person can lose their salvation because it was not their choice in the first place.
Every petal in the TULIP is doctrinally wrong, so it really doesn’t make any difference if one subscribes to one tenet or all. The reference to 2 pointers or 5 pointers, etc. really does not make sense.
That is my two cents worth. It is amazing how we can put on blinders and look the other way simply because we are on the same page in discernment issues. That reminds me of the Christian conservatives who work side by side with false religions for the purpose of promoting morality.
You can be a Calvinist/Reformed and be saved, but you cannot have the correct view of evangelism.
Color me simplistic, but I don’t get this Hyper Calvinism stuff. I think of Hyper describing someone who is bouncing off the walls.
Anyone who buys into any of TULIP to me is just plain wrong. Not one of them, even the P, which is based on the false premise of the others, is wrong.
How can one believe that Christ died “for” all and yet believe He only accepts certain ones? That question is rhetorical because it speaks for itself.
BL
Agreed.
Christians?! We dont need a prophet to see the harvest arising from the stinking seed, sown on this site.
Chris
>>Christians?! We dont need a prophet to see the harvest arising from the stinking seed, sown on this site.
Aye yes, we have many TARES like yourself come and comment daily. They try their best to sow animosity, and evil teachings, but we cut them down to size quickly using the WORD OF GOD AS OUR SWORD.
ELIZABETH WRIGHT wrote:
sorry but I seriously do see this as a load of rubbish! He is not a ‘pied piper’ youth pastor etc….We are so materialistic!! It says in the Bible: “Whoever desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, take up his cross and follow Me.” Mark 8:34 – JESUS CHRIST says this! He wants us to give up everything and follow Him! He wants us to FULLY RELY ON GOD! It says in Romans 8:5 “For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.” I reckon yes we can have material possessions, but I do believe that we shouldn’t have such a strong grasp on worldly possessions because in God’s terms, really what value do they have? I haven’t listened to too many of Andrew’s teachings but I have never heard him say that you can have nothing to do with other people because they are too materialistic!!!
Louise
He is a PIED PIPER. And how dare you tell Elizabeth that HER EXPERIENCE IS FALSE. Where you there? Based on what I know about Andrew Strom I would lay my head on a block that she is telling the truth.
Keep your little comments to yourself.
My prayer to GOD is,
Thank you Oh lord that I follow no man, no earthly pastor, no rich organisation but that I lean and wait upon only you. You are my GOD and you know all my needs and supply them. I thank you and love you. I hide myself in you Oh Lord and I take no cares of this world but care only for your word.
Thank you that you called me out of Rhema and the church and thank you that you deal with me on a minute by minute basics. To you I cry out and say call them all out of her (the false religions) and those who wont listen deal with them in a harsh way in order for them to listen to you.
They have become church bench warmers and they flirt with Satan as they busy themselves indulging in their lustful ways, groping for earthly wealth. How feedle they are as they fight and bicker about their pastors when all that energy could be used in reading your word and worshipping you every day not just on a Sunday as they all do.
I thank you GOD for sending JESUS to die for me for them though they do not understand the cross cos if they did they would stop protecting their pastors as they do.
AMEN.
I suggest that you folks read your bible. Jesus himself warned us of this day to come. When you have people rolling on the floor and laughing. Body jerking out of their chairs while their faces contort. People being held to the floor and able to get up, people saying that they feel drunk when the bible clearly says to be of a sober mind. Satan is alive and well in the church. Repent and deny satan and he will flee wake church you ar undera cursed doctrine according to what the Holy Word Of God says
Ok I tried reading and understanding this discussion but i don’t get this Calvinist stuff or non Calvinist stuff. Personally I am staying out of any church or organisation, avoiding the burning coal theory. Seems you can trust no one. Not even you guys who remind me of the scribes Jesus met. But I get your points as well. Sometimes. Think I will just fall to my knees and say God help me! Seems I need a degree to enter heaven, to be your son. No God I have what I need and that is faith in your Son Jesus Christ. Nothing more I can ad. I am the whore, the tax collector, the child. Please help me. I want the label of child of God trough faith in Christ but just for interest sake. How do you label me. Calvinist or not?
K I am often one of the worst sinners as well. Obvious sins…I smoke, I used to drink too much but given up on that, I judge, I become sad, I lie etc., in my heart I am / was at times a murderer. (just wishing someone dead lol!) don’t send the police. I try and be good and repent and change. I would label myself a repentant sinner but If I need a degree or perfect lifestyle to enter heaven I am not interested in God.Because woe the day I think I can be more or less good enough for God. I have what I need already and that is faith in Christ.
I have been to many churches and many websites and read many books including the Bible.
I am too lazy to study scripture in order to quote exact verses. Does that exclude someone from salvation?
Church and organised religion and these debates just totally suck. I am tired. I am 39 and when I was 5 I asked dear Jesus to come live in my heart and to forgive my sins. It was a personal prayer so I believe it was geniune. I never told Christ to go but at times I have been the worst sinner.
I don’t believe one can slip into and out of salvation that easily. Either you believe Jesus is the Son of God or you don’t. It is a deep conviction which creates a new being which can never be killed.
So what am I?
Francois said:
I don’t believe one can slip into and out of salvation that easily. Either you believe Jesus is the Son of God or you don’t. It is a deep conviction which creates a new being which can never be killed.
So what am I?
Dear lady (I assume this is the correct gender),
The answer to your question is that you are confused. But you already know that. Thank you for being
honest and asking an honest question. You deserve an honest answer. I am glad you came to this site because we will do all we can to help you. Thankfully you are not confused with your statement above-this is true. That is an excellent place to start!!
First, to help us sort things out, let’s start at the beginning. Under what circumstances were you introduced to Christ?
At the age of 5 you may have made a sincere acceptance of Jesus, but you could not have known the full extent of that decision. If you were not properly discipled, you could not have grown to maturity as a believer. That is why the Bible says to make not only converts to Christ but disciples. When we first accept Jesus we are like babes who need milk and we need help to learn to walk.
You have obviously come under conviction about your sins, but you have tried to overcome them in your own strength and have become weary and discouraged. You are in a rut and that is a miserable place to be.
Forget all the books other than the Bible and the many websites. Start with the basics of the faith. You need clarity and only God and His Word can provide this along with someone to help you rightly divide the Word. You don’t need some degree and it is the Holy Spirit who is your teacher.
Please come back here and dialogue with us so we can help you. The Lord wants to give you victory over sinful habits, but you need to be grounded in the basics of the faith and sound doctrine. Forget about all the other stuff for now. Go back to the beginning and start over. Get out of that vicious cycle you now find yourself. There is hope and God has not given up on you!
Deborah, somehow I ahve lost my avatar, probably because I changed my e-mail address. Do you know how I can get it back?
[EDITED by DTW: I put back you old email address. What you need to do is go to http://www.gravatar.com and link your new email adddress to your old picture]
I am sorry to disagree with most of you but there is a deceiving and familiar spirit that is operating in the church today. I attended a prophetic conference with renowned prophets and let me tell you. The Holy Spirit set off a BIG ALARM!! He showed my husband and I the big deception that these men have brought into the church and they have to be exposed!!! They have so infiltrated the church that the children cannot discern what is of God and what is of the enemy. These manifestations ARE NOT OF GOD!!!
Truly we are in the last days- Matt 24:23-25 is happening among the church. The enemy is deceiving the body and even renowned men of God. Many well known so called prophets are teaching of a healing angel. Totally demonic and a familiar spirit operating within the church. The Holy Spirit does not cause you to act like an animal or cause you to shake uncontrollably. We have control over our bodies. The scripture says that the Spirit is subject to the body. Father have mercy on Your people!! We must be in continual prayer and fasting. The body of Christ is in such need of discernment. Father, open the eyes of Your children and give them keen discernment so that they may not be misled or deceived during these trying times.
The time is come, the time is at hand for the Church to STAND with boldness in the Spirit of Elijah and wherever our feet shall tread upon is HOLY GROUND! We bring the presence and Glory of God wherever we go!! Time to bring down fire from Heaven to destroy the works of the enemy, tearing down the kingdom of darkness and establishing the Kingdom of our God!
It is time for the church to be a church that turns over the tables of the moneychangers. We need to be as radical as Jesus was and stand for what is righteous, true and holy!!
It is time for the church to be the CHURCH and kill the entertainment spirit and tickling the ears. We should come together not with a “what’s in it for me” attitude and worrying about the carnal “Sunday Fashion Show”, but to gather together in spirit and truth to minister unto our God.
We must take a stand for what is righteous, holy and true and get back to a No Compromise, Zero Tolerance, No Apologies and destroy the Status Quo. The time is at hand – there is a lost and dying world that needs to know the Love of the Father and come to know Jesus as Lord and Savior. For the true spirit of God to prevail within the Body of Christ. We have the answer for all of life’s questions and his name is Jesus!!
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I have been thinking about this guy for quite a while now, yes he is going off the rails but the sad part is that he is not the only one. It would be nice to be able to have a voice on his sites and point out some obvious facts but they keep blocking and banning anyone who pushes scripture over doctrine. Unfortunately as their numbers drop so they also try to compromise so as to include more but opposing viewpoints obviously have to be discussed and again this leads them to blocking posters. Calls for love people and forgiveness etc constantly go out but with the offended party cut off from communication there is obviously not going to be much reconciliation going on.
Its a pity but like a lot of misplaced ministries I see this one going by the wayside as things get harder.
PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE continue in your God given work by exposing Andrew STROM.
I have recently been ejected from his JBTV forum site.
No hard feelings.I made a mess of things with my manner when commenting against ignorance and souls being led astray on the site.
Andrew rules HIS site with a rod of iron and will not accept any opposing views on anything.He seems to see the purpose of the site as a God given forum to teach others and bring them to His understandings.
It is as though Andrew believes he can walk on water and cannot be wrong.
I have described him on the site as a Pharisee and I maintain that this is what he is.He is appalled at such a suggestion,in true Pharisee style.
I was booted out.I am deeply concerned for the souls who contribute to this site. They hang on his every word.He rarely ventures onto the forum and when he does it is to exercise his authority.Most of the contributors revere him.
Just two days ago moves were made on site under his direction to have another member booted out.This other member is much more in touch with the Spirit Fruits than I and he brings amazing understanding and insight to the forum.
I am tempted to say it is sad but sad is not the correct word.It is wicked and clearly a spirit that is not of God.
[deleted because you don’t have one nice word to say]
I thought that all people who belong to Jesus should be correcting each other in love. This fighting and feuding causes some to stumble. Tell me-is Andrew’s first priority one of getting people saved? I see Andrew talk’s good about David Wilkerson. That is a plus in my eyes. The church has been focusing on the gifts instead of the giver. I heard Carter Conlon giving his thoughts on Wilkerson at his memorial. He said he only saw David one time dancing in the spirit and he didnt know he was being seen. None of us will ever have all the answers but we need to hear how to make it in these days we are in.
True, or false?
Does it matter?
Doesn`t God`s word tell us not to judge?
Everyone will be judged, by God.
Only he can see into our hearts, only he knows true from false.
And so, it does not matter.
Everyone should stay true to God`s word.
Do we realy need to follow any human?
I don`t think we should.
Follow God`s word.
Only through God`s words of truth can we find salvation.
I`ld like to point out that God`s witnesses will be ridiculed.
So who is to say, that not all of you are making these words come true by doing just that?
(and no, i don`t say that Andrew Strom is God`s witness, nor do i say he is not!).
Stay true to God, and follow no human, and it will be impossible for anyone to deceive you!
I don`t know Andrew Strom, which is fine.
I follow Jesus Christ alone,.
For only He can lead us to God!
Just a thaught…
Kind regards, Dirk
The topic is on here Dirk.
Enlighten yourself – this is the heading:
as-christians-we-must-judge-righteously
Sorry about this but i accidently wandered onto your site, i have just come out of organised religion, backround of pentecostal then evangelical. im reading all this stuff, and im thinking gosh where do i go, where is safe.
i have had enough of what goes on inside churches, just doesn’t fit what Jesus taught any more. i have had enough, but yet yearn to be with fellow christians, but have recently found out i have been shunned by my ex church goers, now im out in the cold. Sorry if this appears like a random message.
mandy
mandy
You are not alone, many many GENUINE Christians have left their churches because the church is now completely false. And there is no where to go. There are little gems out there still preaching the truth, but are they in your area? Who knows. You can try go from church to church seeking out these little gems, but I can’t guarantee you will find them. I know I haven’t and I have looked. Every now and then my husband takes me church hunting and we come back home tired, drained of energy (because you have to give the pastor a once over on what they believe) and you think to yourself afterwards, ‘why did I waste my time’. I know of many great Christians BUT they do not live anywhere near where I live, so it’s impossible to fellowship with them, except over the phone or via the internet. And my teacher is not a man aka pastor but the Holy Spirit – what better teacher than that can you get? He never lies, and He leads me into TRUTH all the time 🙂 When I get stuck on issues, I have certain people I communicate with and ask questions regarding Theology. So good luck in the church hopping 🙂 but rest assured Mandy that the Holy Spirit would want you to stay at home with Him instead. We are in the last of the last days, fellowship is going to be very hard to come by.
Dear Mandy,
I was touched by your comments and just like Deborah and a few others, I try and help people find the right place to worship for those who really serach for it. If you wish you should contact me via e-mail when I shall do my utmost to be of assistance in this regard. In the mean time, keep in touch with Deborah and this site as this will help you get to know more about discernment and the need for it in this fallen world where the job of truly Biblical Christians is to spread God’s word as much as it is to admonish and aid others. I’ll pray for you and I know others will also! Do not give up my friend; do not throw in the towel! Go the full distance; run the race and aim to finish it. Stay on the narrow road; press on and do not give up! He will give you the strength to carry on! He will help you through your search! He will help you endure to the very end! Only in Him can you do it! Hang in there and stay on your knees! God bless.
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Andrew Strom has profaned the written word of God. People MUST WAKE UP QUICKLY
AND QUIT FOLLOWING THESE FALSE RELIGIOUS LEADERS! God bless you for standing against the false. The Lord has shown me that He has sent few in that would go in the Name of Jesus to these false apostate forums
to weaken their man made structures. Those with eyes to see will see and come out, most are shut down and Praise God for that!
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Aaah Mr Andrew Strom, I wrote my best-ever Amazon book review on his literary classic “The Out-of-Church Christians” – a one-star rating, entitled “Twaddle”.
I also elaborated my review in the comments on another lady’s 3 star review of the same book entitled “Re ‘Twaddle'” – which proved to not be a review of the book at all.
In my response to the dear lady, I included
“…why I questioned the approach followed by the author in this book: to formulate a hypothesis and come to a conclusion, that is not scripturally grounded but a conglomeration of people’s feelings, impressions, visions, dreams… i.e. the wisdom of man based on personal experience – a way that seems right to them.”
“to substantiate his argument, he mentions the prophesies of people that he in other books discredit as being false prophets.”
I think the last phrase just about sums up Mr Strom.
That book was recycled somewhere in China… hopefully into something useful like toiletpaper.
I’m sorry, but I cannot see what there is to laugh about. Should we not – rather – weep over the state of the bride, over the deception, over what the enemy is stealing and destroying, as Nehemiah did over Jerusalem’s walls?
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
You didn’t name the website. Shalom, Patricia
Good Ol Andy,
I think I was getting banned on an average of about 4 or 5 times a month when he was running revivalschool. He trips from one false doctrine into another on a seasonal basis. I do think the guy has am heart after God and wants to win souls but it is all works of the flesh. Deep deep deeeeeeeeeeep repentance is his key. You gotta be smashed up, beaten down, crushed to have God work through you. I have been out of churches for years, the ones that didn’t throw me out I left. I am a stiff necked, rebellious, unteachable , unfruited, objectionable sort of bloke who relies on what Jesus done at Calvary to get me through every moment of every day. I know what I was saved from and I know who I am saved too and for. I couldn’t give a peppercorn what folks think of me, but I love em all. I also couldn’t care less what a couple of old dead theologians views are. They didn’t die for me. What I care about is folks who don’t have a hope in hell but have every hope if they will forget about themselves and take up His death and Resurrection and follow Him. Can I lose my Salvation, not a chance, like I said I know what I was saved from and I know that the life of the Cross is the most wonderful, joyful, exuberant and abundant life I have ever known. I’m not insane enough to think I could walk away from the best in life, even for a second, even better I don’t deserve this life but I got it given to me by someone who loves me better than I love myself and I know He can be trusted. Better even still is He knows me, accepts me just as I am and He has done a lot of work in this ol fella to keep me on the straight and narrow and has actually made some big changes in my habits and thinking. What I’m saying is I got the proof of the pudding by what He has done. As to the others, all I can do is try and point to the one who done all the work in me, some folk don’t like the idea and get into religion and churches. I smile to myself and let em go. If they get their ears tickled for a while with what they want to hear, it isn’t my problem. Sooner or later they will learn just like me. I don’t blame the sheep in wolves clothing anymore, they will get their just desserts. ( hopefully not scones through a fax). Some folks just don’t want to listen to whats good for them until they get softened up a bit by church and religion. I’m tempted at times to tell em I told you so but I resist, give em a big hug and sit em down and start again. Most of the poor sods have had such a beating they got all the sense knocked out of them and then the Holy Ghost can get in there and teach em the right stuff. I havent seen him fail yet and I don’t expect I ever will. I know a fair bit about Bible, doctrines, false doctrines and religion but it never done me any good unless it worked for me and it does and it has. I fight for the life of the Cross like a pit bull because I know it is the only solution I can find in the Bible for every single problem a man, woman or child has. Your doing a great job here on this site, it brings back memories of my life a few years back, to be honest I love a good fight and its great to be on the winning side. I don’t envy you your task but your doing it well. Keep up the good work. Love to you all.
Billy
That was a fantastic comment, thank you and I love you too 🙂 *hugs*
Andrew Strom is not as blind as everyone would assume. Also Angus Buchan is anything but preaching Socialism. There has been a great revival in South-Africa among Afrikaners and black South-Africans. I am sorry for Andrew being persecuted for reaching out, I do think that his motives are pure and he does not mix up political ideas with godly matters.
What I noted from him is that he showed discernment on matters that are truly important, like exposing Hindu Shakti-Pat and Kundalini practices in so called Christian revival movements and services. How blind can some people be to think that they have the light, yet they themselves dwell in darkness. Andrew, continue the good work – people like you may help South-Africa recover from the Powers and Principalities that are oppressing Christians and masquerade in ideologies and angered misdirected wrath against innocent people.
South African wrote:
Really?? A revival in South Africa, South African?? You must be kidding.Pure motives do not determine the purity of your doctrines. It means nothing.
South Africa
SA is having a Revival?? WHERE?? Among Black and White?? WHERE?? This I got to see… show us where??
Are you a Roman Catholic? Because Andre Strom is – See here: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2013/06/21/andrew-strom-and-j-lee-grady-false-teachers-waiting-for-the-spiritual-revival-of-the-roman-catholic-church/ So is Angus Buchan – See here: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2011/12/20/angus-buchan-and-the-roman-catholic-reconciliation/
Maybe you are speaking about a ROMAN CATHOLIC REVIVAL?
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
Not going to call it a revival just yet, but we are seeing an amazing work of the Holy Spirit in schools and and in the hearts of school children, across race, age and all sorts of other divides since the beginning of this year. What is especially encouraging is the collective answer to the call to prayer.
I, however, believe (based on 2 Chron 7:14) that we won’t see real revival – big or small (or in our own hearts) – until we are ready for the Holy Spirit to call us to repentance (turning from their wicked ways), and allow Him to search and clean our [deceptive above all things] hearts …
mike doti wrote:
Paul
Hi Mike Regarding the rolling on the floor, unable to get up, laughing crying. Body jerking contortions etc , etc I have found these to be Kundalini manifestations/symptoms. The net has a lot to say on this matter, its worth a look
Hi Everyone
I would like to write down a few things I have observed over the years and also reading this blog various opiniosn of thoughts were raised about Andrew Storm (call himself JohnTheBapist type of preacher), Angus Bachun (socialism preacher or message) and Jessie Pennie Lewis the reason for quenching the Welsh Revival.
Angus:
I am a South African myself I have been at one Angus Buchan meeting on a farm. Myself and my father in law and family of him , visited a weekend away, MEN’s meeting/camp. The whole focus of the whole weekend was Christ, the Cross and what He has done for us – that is all – the gospel. Nothing more or less and nothing socialism based. Family of mine was born again and filled with the Holy Spirit and serving God 100%. The fruit do show.
So the purpose of the meetings were never “socialism” or preaching a “socialism” gospel. One can very easily make your own conclusions if you were not there or never have attended a meeting. Also a lot of self assumptions are written here about “Transformation” and now he is a “socialism” based preacher.
Take a step back and realize we are all human and just as you and I want people to pray for our country, just he wants also. Now I agree that one should discern whom one team up with doing a prayer event. In this case I do not endorse “Cindy Jacobs or Wagner” or any so called generals. Also remember that people from the country side eg. farmers like Angus do not waste time browsing the internet, wondering and praying who is Cindy or Wagner ect ect.. Just as you and I could met someone in the local church to start a prayer group and without your knowledge that, the person you just introduced to could have had a history lining to false teaching or movements I am not endorsing at all. So the intention is pure but because of lack of knowledge that certain “well-known” people like Cindy Jacobs were involve in other “movements”, does not make him a “New Apostolic Reformation” preacher. He has nothing to do those movements at all. He just did had meetings on farms preaching the gospel. Now he is invited alongside some others which one now can be labeled for as be apart of. Also remember Angus is NOT the only one organized prayer meetings in cities. In fact it has come a long way done by others before him. He just go along when he was invited when these CITY-prayer events increases. By the time he was involve it was all-ready about 20 years after these CITY prayer meetings were initially held. I have attended my first city prayer event in 1992, so that is quite a few years before Angus were involve or any the likes of Cindy Jacobs. Since Cindy and other like her involvement I cease to continue visiting these events but still praying for our country and cities.
Andrew Storm:
I have read some of his teachings in the past and I understand that his heart is pure in trying to assist the Body of Christ discerning these things that are happening that are not Holy Spirit revival meetings but the Kundalini spirits, see his book. Also I do understand that not all of us is called to do that and it could be that as God has used John the Baptist to “make the crooked path straight, prepare the way of the Lord”, the Lord can use today christens that are called to have such a function (I mean not a John the Baptist as he put it) but to assist people discern. Similar to this blog is doing. So the name of a ministry can portray an image of something and such like I agree if I would be in his shoes I would have not call a ministry as such because it portray “I am a John the Baptist” where as he are just called and used by God to point out the sins of the people as a prophet and encourage Christians walk the life of faith in Jesus Christ. Sometimes christians want to point out the purpose God called the for. So I think that could be why he did it like this.
Jessie Pennie Lewis:
I agree with him that one key thing I have learned from Jessie Pennie Lewis Books is that once one focus on the cross, the blood of Jesus, his resurrection and Him alone all effects of the Kundalini spirits go away. I have been involve in these “Toronto” type meetings 1990s and by God’s grace was taken out by a warning dream and have gone through counselling. Interesting enough is the first thing the counselor has told me is the same manifestations that happen in the Hindu religion/Yoga happen there. Hindus that come to know Christ testify it is the same spirit working there as what they have experience practicing Hindu-religion when they did not know Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour. So one can learn from Jessie Pennie Lewis’s WAR on the SAINTS book by looking closely how one can learn discern in certain situations. The book is still her opinion and not be taken as the bible but one can learn from it by understanding how certain things could happen in the spiritual realm.
What I do not agree with is how she has taken a controlling role over the Welsh revival by removing Evan Roberts from continuing preaching. Evan was also very young and prone to error due to nobody maybe not mentored him before the Welsh Revival broke out? So quenching of the Welsh Revival could have been prevented.?
Just my two cents
Let us pray for those and for each other to discern. Help us Lord as we are also only human.
Be in God’s Secret Place – His Presence
I have only one question for you.
Would you follow the teaching of someone who endorses the teaching of another false teacher?
http://www.revival.com/pastor-rodney-with-angus-buchan.2658.1.htm
What does God in whose presence you claim to be, say about this?
What does Angus Buchan do? He does not only embrace Rodney Howard-Brown like a brother, he also takes off his hat to him, blesses him and says “keep up the good work . . . and keep filling people of fire, and most of all with faith.” Is Rodney Howard-Brown God so that he is able to fill people with faith? Who needs God when Rodney Howard-Brown can do the job of filling people with faith?
Where in the entire Bible are we exhorted to fill people with fire and faith? Indeed, Rodney Howard-Brown is filling people with the fires of hell and you can’t see that? Do you want to be part of their evil deeds? Surely looks like it.Do you want to be part of their evil deeds? Surely looks like it.
Of course, we must pray for them. However, that’s not the only thing God says we must do. He also says we must contend for the faith that was delivered to us by the apostles (not today’s false shenanigans) and to expose the false prophets and apostles of our day.
By the way, did you notice how Rodney Howard-Brown pressed the palm of his hand on Angus Buchan’s chest (heart)? Did you? Well, what he did was to impart the very same spirit that is at work in him onto Angus Buchan and I can assure you is NOT, I repeat NOT the Holy Spirit. It is another spirit who preaches another Jesus and another Gospel. This is call contact and transmission. I am sorry, but you are deceived.
Be in God’s Secret Place – His Presence wrote:
So, you are going to appear before God one day and say to Him. “I’m so sorry that I misled so many people by telling them that Angus Buchan and Rodney Howard-Brown (whom Angus endorsed as a real Christian) are real men of God. But, please, take a step back in my glorious presence and realize that I am merely human.” What do you think God is going to say to you? Well, I know.
Filling people with fire is not of God and therefore NOT his doctrine.
Be in God’s Secret Place – His Presence wrote:
You are either naive or badly misinformed. Do your really think someone like Angus Buchan who has several blogs and sites on the Internet is not internet wise? Really??? At any rate, if you do not know what someone believes and preaches, it is your duty to find out before you make any effort to associate with them and endorse their ministries. Once again, is Angus going to tell God when he appears before His throne one day, “Oh, I’m so sorry I endorsed a bunch of false teachers’ ministries but I am only human, you know. I lived on a farm where it was so very primitive and backward that our knowledge of the internet failed us to research the false teachers and their doctrines. So please, humbly take a step back and do not judge me for something so humanlike.”
Your arguments in favor of Oom Angus are rather weak and flimsy.
Greetings all,
These debates will never be resolved. The reason is this. The Church was formed by Jesus Christ and His Apostles. This is known in history as the Orthodox Church. Various heresies were combatted by the early Church until the first schism occurred in 1054 when the Church in Rome, (which at the time was still part of the Orthodox Church) because of serious doctrinal differences in theology/dogma such as the fillioque and the supremacy of the Pope, broke away from the Orthodox Church. They are what is known today as the Roman Catholic Church. The second schism occurred in the 1600’s with Martin Luther’s Protestant reformation which split off from the RCC. Thereafter literally thousands of schisms occurred in the Protestant Church to form various sects, denominations, and movements all in varying degrees opposing each other.
What you have today is just these groups arguing with each other.
The Orthodox Church is the original Church of Jesus Christ and the Apostles. It is the only Church that has not changed since it’s inception. The Holy Spirit is not the author of the schismatic churches. They have fallen away from the True Orthodox Church and the uncreated Grace of the Holy Spirit. This is why the demonic deception is rife. The Orthodox Church has very strong teachings to protect its people from deception. It is called Prelest (meaning spiritual delusion).
I’m sure some will have many questions, so I refer you to a site called “Orthodox Outlet for Dogmatic Enquiry”.
Karl,
The Orthodox Church hasn’t changed? Really?
http://www.thebereancall.org/content/russian-orthodox-church-sold-its-soul-putin-0
This is and excerpt from http://www.thebereancall.org/content/works-salvation-delusion
So, as you can see the Orthodox Church is just as bad as the Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, Seventh-Day Adventists and last but not least the Roman Catholic Church. Make your choice. It doesn’t matter what you choose, they will all lead you to hell.
I actually agree with Andrew Strom regarding the kundalini movement in the american churches. This is pure demonic manifestations. I go to plenty of pentacostal churches and the ones that are careful about how the holy spirit is manifested don’t have these kind of breakouts. The new testament said to be sober and organized with the gifts. I have never read about Jesus or the disciples breaking out in dog barks or laughter. I never read about them falling on the floor and rolling around, shaking uncontrollably. And interestingly, I find that the churches who do have this type of stuff going on are controversial, compromising churches They often have moral problems and strife within their congregations. Just saying.
Hi Tom,
I read the two articles you referred to. They really gave me a good laugh!
I believe Dave Hunt is dead now, but I do have and still receive benefit from some of his books such as “Occult Invasion of the Church” and “Seduction of Christianity’.
Listen, it does no-one any good to play games or to resort to the type of intellectual dishonesty you are attempting. Presenting a straw-man of Orthodoxy and then debunking that version can only fool fools. I think that is the reason why Dave Hunt never attempted to tackle the Eastern Orthodox Church in-depth. He would have found out it is the truth!
As I said before you or anyone who is interested should go to the site “Orthodox Outlet for Dogmatic Enquiry”.
It is in Topic format and will answer any questions a person may have from an Orthodox perspective. Not from the perspective of you, Tom or Dave Hunt or anyone else. This is the only honest way to find out what someone or some institution believes. You go to the source.
karl
I am quite happy to leave you in your error and would like to encourage you to follow it to the hilt.
Utahred,
Why do you want the Holy Spirit to manifest Himself?
There are many scriptures that speak of God choosing us. What of those scriptures?
Lynette Overson
Choose us for what purpose?
Utahred
False teachers do speak the truth you know. Simon Magus the Sorcerer was held in high esteem by the Discicples until they realised what Simon the Sorcerer was all about, then they EXPOSED him and told him to leave their fold. So just because Andrew Strom speaks the truth every now and then does not make him a viable minister to listen to on everything he has to say.
Karl wrote:
You mean the Orthodox church full of obvious idolatry like the Roman Catholic branch? You know kissing bones of dead people and ornate icons of gold, silver made by human hands? And also calls down fire in Jerusalem in the sight of men to deceive those who dwell on earth? Though I can’t say you personally kiss bones and icons since I don’t know you personally- doctrinally speaking it is allowed encouraged practice in Orthodoxy. Yeah, sure Orthodoxy is not in any error at all right? Afterall, old Jerusalem has been around even longer than Orthodox church – and where are they today? Still in spiritual bondage in the wilderness with Hagar in unbelief and apostasy. The doctrine of Baalim in that casts stumblingblocks to curse then children of Israel that problem began in the Orthodox churches and later the Roman church split carrying over some of same practices only this is called doctrine of Jezebel. Jesus Christ told five out seven churches in Revelation to for 2,000 yeare. Still the idolatry but even then He still obviously called stillwhat part of flee idolatry don’t you understand? I know the excuse from Orthodoxy “its veneration but not worship which is simply semantics to not call it what is idolatry. This is mostly my biggest issue with Orthodoxy and a bit over emphasis on deification of man. Also I don’t read my Bible that only Greeks Romans and Russians are around God’s throne but every tribe tongue in nation is worshipping before Him. I also read in Isaiah 59-60 that the WEST shall revere Him along with Tarshish (Spain and Britain) which most Christian in the Western world are not Orthodox as that spread for in the East. I also read in Isaiah 4 that all seven churches will cling to the one man Christ and He will clean up the mess anyway. Other than that there is excellent early writings on heresies and I have read a number of them. And then you have those dead churches like Sardis always seeking revival but most not keeping themselves unspotted from this world. But the one of worst church was Ephesus the council that tested everything but forgot to love with correction- instead they became like Pharisees and shut up the door to the kingdom. And that candlestick was long long ago removed…
Thank you Zorah Slovensky
Yep, I too must say, thank you Zorah. You did a fine job in answering Karl. Nice work.