Andrew Strom gets it WRONG again…

Andrew Strom

Andrew Strom gets it WRONG again…

This is becoming a habit Andrew Strom and very irritating.  Come now, stop it.

This email just came into my mailbox from REVIVAL List by Andrew Strom.  Read and laugh or cry…

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REVIVAL IN SOUTH AFRICA

ANDREW:  A couple of years ago I was in South Africa and wrote when I got back how encouraged I was to see how God was moving in that nation – especially amongst the white Afrikaners – which was powerful and amazing. Below is another report of the great things happening in that country:

My name is Jeff Zak, and I am a minister in Nelson BC, Canada.

I just came back from South Africa, and attended the Mighty Men’s

Conference at Shalom farm, with Angus Buchan-  450,000 men
were there – [they only expect 300,000 for the World Cup there] it
was a powerful and incredible time – I know of one other Canadian
who was there at this time… repentance was preached at all
sessions – thousands of first time professions of Christ took place…
we were awakened art 4:30 am by the bugles for prayer at the
camp… I stayed with a group of Australian brothers, and a
pastor from the Congo…

My father died while I was there, and I could not make it back
for the funeral, and my family encouraged I complete the itinerary
[My wife and I, Marilyn, have six children] – however, I later had
the privilege of preaching in colored churches, and a Congo
church in Durban SA and an Indian church in Petermirizberg –
these people are hungry for God – the Zulus are up at 5 am praying
daily while I was there – one church of colored people in Cape
Town had been on a 21 day Daniel fast when I arrived, and were
breaking it today… so it was easy to speak there in that atmosphere…

So, there is a prosperity message problem in some
churches, but not in the township churches I visited-  God is also
doing great things, and revealing the cross, His sacrifice of His
Son for the sin of mankind, and his love for those who turn to him…
I believe I saw revival breaking out at the camp MAC 2010, and
pray God will move throughout Africa & the earth… a pastor brother
from Nigeria shared that they are experiencing revival in his area as well…

http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/

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Why are we laughing/crying Andrew Strom?  Because you can’t tell the truth from a lie if it jumped out and bit you on the nose.   You say you moved away from the New Apostolic Reformation and Peter Wagner et al YET Andrew… this is going to come as a shock to you, but Andrew…

*going to give the bad news too you very gently*

Angus Buchan and the whole Revival in South Africa is part of the New Apostolic Reformation.  Yes, your friends :)

Please see here for the truth, if you care Andrew.  And in case you didn’t know, Revival in ‘False Christian terminology” really means a Transformation to Socialism.  http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2013/08/04/what-did-you-think-revival-meant/

Now that you know this, will you stop promoting Socialism?  Or will you once again prove to us that you are a false teacher supporting the antiChrist?

We wait with bated breaths, but we won’t hold them too long.  I think 10 seconds should do it.

The Might Men Conference 2010 was supposed to be the LAST MMC by Angus Buchan (dubbed The Completion).  Their numerology calculations was based on the fact that there were 7 MMC’s and 7 is the number of completion.  Then after Eugène Terre’Blanche’s murder they realised they needed to go back to their numbers so they calculated 7+1 = 8 and that gives them reason to hold 2 MMC’s in Soweto (The number 8 being the number of new beginnings).

Also the Global Day of Prayer that will be held in South Africa soon and has Cindy Jacobs as a speaker (Cindy Jacobs – Right Wing Xtian Nazi Communist) and George Otis Jr.   Yes, Andrew… and it’s no mistake on their part.  Angus Buchan is part and parcel of C. Peter Wagner’s NAR.

See the following articles on Angus Buchan and friends:

  1. Angus Buchan’s Holy Ghost Chaos or….was it Something Else.
  2. NAR Invasion of SA – Rick Joyner, Angus Buchan, Danie Slabbert, Nevil Norden @ Apostolic Prophetic Conference – July 2012
  3. Angus Buchan and the Roman Catholic Reconciliation
  4. The ‘Manifest Sons of God’ belief of Angus Buchan
  5. The Dominionist Faith of Angus Buchan – Faith Like Potatoes
  6. Open Letter to Graham Power regarding the Unashamedly Ethical Campaign
  7. Angus Buchan and the Promise Keepers
  8. Stand Up and be Counted – Might Men Conference 2010
  9. Angus Buchan, Benny Hinn and God TV (with Wendy and Rory Alec)
  10. Graham Power & Angus Buchan – The Transformation of Africa
  11. Dion Forster and The Drive By Rebuking Video
  12. Turn2God at the Union Buildings was…
  13. What did YOU think Revival meant?
  14. National Initiative for the Reformation of South Africa – NIRSA
  15. Elza Meyer Attacked by Demons, Saved by Son
  16. Cindy Jacobs – Two Truly False Prophecies for Zimbabwe and Africa
  17. False Teachers and Prophets – Methods of Operation
  18. Why does Angus Buchan get promoted by God TV

SEE LATEST:  Andrew Strom and J Lee Grady – False Teachers waiting for the Spiritual Revival of the Roman Catholic Church

UPDATE 28 May 2015 – ANDREW STROM contacted DTW and asked for this article among others to be removed, we asked him to please answer a few questions we have that are bothersome.  He refuses to answer.  See comments starting here:  https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2013/06/21/andrew-strom-and-j-lee-grady-false-teachers-waiting-for-the-spiritual-revival-of-the-roman-catholic-church/#comment-441555

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Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)

Be in God’s Secret Place – His Presence wrote:

Take a step back and realize we are all human and just as you and I want people to pray for our country, just he wants also.

So, you are going to appear before God one day and say to Him. “I’m so sorry that I misled so many people by telling them that Angus Buchan and Rodney Howard-Brown (whom Angus endorsed as a real Christian) are real men of God. But, please, take a step back in my glorious presence and realize that I am merely human.” What do you think God is going to say to you? Well, I know.

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. (2 Jn 1:9-11)

Filling people with fire is not of God and therefore NOT his doctrine.

Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)

Be in God’s Secret Place – His Presence wrote:

Also remember that people from the countryside eg. farmers like Angus do not waste time browsing the internet, wondering and praying who is Cindy or Wagner ect ect.. Just as you and I could met someone in the local church to start a prayer group and without your knowledge that, the person you just introduced to could have had a history lining to false teaching or movements I am not endorsing at all. So the intention is pure but because of lack of knowledge that certain “well-known” people like Cindy Jacobs were involve in other “movements”, does not make him a “New Apostolic Reformation” preacher. He has nothing to do those movements at all.

You are either naive or badly misinformed. Do your really think someone like Angus Buchan who has several blogs and sites on the Internet is not internet wise? Really??? At any rate, if you do not know what someone believes and preaches, it is your duty to find out before you make any effort to associate with them and endorse their ministries. Once again, is Angus going to tell God when he appears before His throne one day, “Oh, I’m so sorry I endorsed a bunch of false teachers’ ministries but I am only human, you know. I lived on a farm where it was so very primitive and backward that our knowledge of the internet failed us to research the false teachers and their doctrines. So please, humbly take a step back and do not judge me for something so humanlike.”

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. (2 Jn 1:9-11)

Your arguments in favor of Oom Angus are rather weak and flimsy.

Karl

Greetings all,

These debates will never be resolved. The reason is this. The Church was formed by Jesus Christ and His Apostles. This is known in history as the Orthodox Church. Various heresies were combatted by the early Church until the first schism occurred in 1054 when the Church in Rome, (which at the time was still part of the Orthodox Church) because of serious doctrinal differences in theology/dogma such as the fillioque and the supremacy of the Pope, broke away from the Orthodox Church. They are what is known today as the Roman Catholic Church. The second schism occurred in the 1600’s with Martin Luther’s Protestant reformation which split off from the RCC. Thereafter literally thousands of schisms occurred in the Protestant Church to form various sects, denominations, and movements all in varying degrees opposing each other.

What you have today is just these groups arguing with each other.

The Orthodox Church is the original Church of Jesus Christ and the Apostles. It is the only Church that has not changed since it’s inception. The Holy Spirit is not the author of the schismatic churches. They have fallen away from the True Orthodox Church and the uncreated Grace of the Holy Spirit. This is why the demonic deception is rife. The Orthodox Church has very strong teachings to protect its people from deception. It is called Prelest (meaning spiritual delusion).

I’m sure some will have many questions, so I refer you to a site called “Orthodox Outlet for Dogmatic Enquiry”.

Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)

Karl,

The Orthodox Church hasn’t changed? Really?

http://www.thebereancall.org/content/russian-orthodox-church-sold-its-soul-putin-0

This is and excerpt from http://www.thebereancall.org/content/works-salvation-delusion

In Judaism, heaven is attained by keeping the Law and its ceremonies. Obviously, that isn’t consistent with what the Tanakh (the Old Testament) teaches, yet that has been the practice of Judaism for millennia. As Jesus said, “In vain they do worship [God], teaching for doctrines the commandments of men” (Matthew:15:9).

His words also apply to a number of “Christian” denominations and cults that stress works as necessary for salvation. Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, Seventh-Day Adventists, the Church of Christ adherents, Roman Catholics, Eastern and Russian Orthodox members, Lutherans, and many others all include something that needs to be accomplished or is necessary for salvation, whether it’s baptism, the sacraments, or joining their particular organization and fulfilling their requirements.

So, as you can see the Orthodox Church is just as bad as the Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, Seventh-Day Adventists and last but not least the Roman Catholic Church. Make your choice. It doesn’t matter what you choose, they will all lead you to hell.

Utahred

I actually agree with Andrew Strom regarding the kundalini movement in the american churches. This is pure demonic manifestations. I go to plenty of pentacostal churches and the ones that are careful about how the holy spirit is manifested don’t have these kind of breakouts. The new testament said to be sober and organized with the gifts. I have never read about Jesus or the disciples breaking out in dog barks or laughter. I never read about them falling on the floor and rolling around, shaking uncontrollably. And interestingly, I find that the churches who do have this type of stuff going on are controversial, compromising churches They often have moral problems and strife within their congregations. Just saying.

Karl

Hi Tom,

I read the two articles you referred to. They really gave me a good laugh!

I believe Dave Hunt is dead now, but I do have and still receive benefit from some of his books such as “Occult Invasion of the Church” and “Seduction of Christianity’.

Listen, it does no-one any good to play games or to resort to the type of intellectual dishonesty you are attempting. Presenting a straw-man of Orthodoxy and then debunking that version can only fool fools. I think that is the reason why Dave Hunt never attempted to tackle the Eastern Orthodox Church in-depth. He would have found out it is the truth!

As I said before you or anyone who is interested should go to the site “Orthodox Outlet for Dogmatic Enquiry”.
It is in Topic format and will answer any questions a person may have from an Orthodox perspective. Not from the perspective of you, Tom or Dave Hunt or anyone else. This is the only honest way to find out what someone or some institution believes. You go to the source.

Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)

karl

I am quite happy to leave you in your error and would like to encourage you to follow it to the hilt.

Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)

Utahred,

Why do you want the Holy Spirit to manifest Himself?

Lynette Overson

There are many scriptures that speak of God choosing us. What of those scriptures?

Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)

Lynette Overson

Choose us for what purpose?

Zorah Slovensky

Karl wrote:

Greetings all,

These debates will never be resolved. The reason is this. The Church was formed by Jesus Christ and His Apostles. This is known in history as the Orthodox Church. Various heresies were combatted by the early Church until the first schism occurred in 1054 when the Church in Rome, (which at the time was still part of the Orthodox Church) because of serious doctrinal differences in theology/dogma such as the fillioque and the supremacy of the Pope, broke away from the Orthodox Church. They are what is known today as the Roman Catholic Church. The second schism occurred in the 1600’s with Martin Luther’s Protestant reformation which split off from the RCC. Thereafter literally thousands of schisms occurred in the Protestant Church to form various sects, denominations, and movements all in varying degrees opposing each other.

What you have today is just these groups arguing with each other.

The Orthodox Church is the original Church of Jesus Christ and the Apostles. It is the only Church that has not changed since it’s inception. The Holy Spirit is not the author of the schismatic churches. They have fallen away from the True Orthodox Church and the uncreated Grace of the Holy Spirit. This is why the demonic deception is rife. The Orthodox Church has very strong teachings to protect its people from deception. It is called Prelest (meaning spiritual delusion).

I’m sure some will have many questions, so I refer you to a site called “Orthodox Outlet for Dogmatic Enquiry”.

You mean the Orthodox church full of obvious idolatry like the Roman Catholic branch? You know kissing bones of dead people and ornate icons of gold, silver made by human hands? And also calls down fire in Jerusalem in the sight of men to deceive those who dwell on earth? Though I can’t say you personally kiss bones and icons since I don’t know you personally- doctrinally speaking it is allowed encouraged practice in Orthodoxy. Yeah, sure Orthodoxy is not in any error at all right? Afterall, old Jerusalem has been around even longer than Orthodox church – and where are they today? Still in spiritual bondage in the wilderness with Hagar in unbelief and apostasy. The doctrine of Baalim in that casts stumblingblocks to curse then children of Israel that problem began in the Orthodox churches and later the Roman church split carrying over some of same practices only this is called doctrine of Jezebel. Jesus Christ told five out seven churches in Revelation to for 2,000 yeare. Still the idolatry but even then He still obviously called stillwhat part of flee idolatry don’t you understand? I know the excuse from Orthodoxy “its veneration but not worship which is simply semantics to not call it what is idolatry. This is mostly my biggest issue with Orthodoxy and a bit over emphasis on deification of man. Also I don’t read my Bible that only Greeks Romans and Russians are around God’s throne but every tribe tongue in nation is worshipping before Him. I also read in Isaiah 59-60 that the WEST shall revere Him along with Tarshish (Spain and Britain) which most Christian in the Western world are not Orthodox as that spread for in the East. I also read in Isaiah 4 that all seven churches will cling to the one man Christ and He will clean up the mess anyway. Other than that there is excellent early writings on heresies and I have read a number of them. And then you have those dead churches like Sardis always seeking revival but most not keeping themselves unspotted from this world. But the one of worst church was Ephesus the council that tested everything but forgot to love with correction- instead they became like Pharisees and shut up the door to the kingdom. And that candlestick was long long ago removed…

Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)

Yep, I too must say, thank you Zorah. You did a fine job in answering Karl. Nice work.

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