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Cindy Jacobs - Two Truly False Prophecies for Zimbabwe
I wrote about this prophecy 2 years ago and received a lot of slack. I seem to be a sucker for punishment cos I am putting it back online again. The only difference between this article and my last one is I found another prophecy by Cindy Jacobs for Zimbabwe and Africa which is very very interesting.
Cindy Jacobs is part of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) Apostle / Latter Rain Movement (Joel’s Army) run by C. Peter Wagner and Chuck Pierce, etc. These new modern day prophets insist that the church is to be governed by them based on the structure of the Ephesians 4:11 Fivefold ministry – with absolute authority. Such leaders include Earl Paulk, John Gimenez, David Cannistraci, Ken Sumrall, Gary Greenwald, Norvel Hayes, Bill Hamon, Terry Virgo, Lou Engle, Rick Joyner, George Otis Jr, (Bennie Mostert, Angus Buchan, Dirkie van der Spuy (Moreletapark Gemeente NG Kerk), Wendy and Rory Alex (God TV), Charisma Magazine, Joy Magazine (South, Africa) etc, etc, etc,.
Prophetic Word For Zimbabwe #1
A Prophecy Given by Cindy Jacobs (President of Generals of Intercession)
30/10/1998 – Guatemala City, Guatemala.
The river is going to flow through Zimbabwe and I see a powerful torrent or water, a mighty rushing torrent, many fish. I see that there are strongholds in the church of division and the accuser of the brethren is active to discourage souls. An army of women with the Deborah anointing will march across the land. They will be like a net all over Zimbabwe with prayer. With a powerful anointing, the women first and the men following. I see ancient thrones coming down, reconciliation between black and white, the spirit of racism which goes back further down the tribes. I will use Zimbabwe like a jewel; she will help feed the world with beautiful produce. God will break the curse that came through civil war- the curse will be broken. I know nothing of Zimbabwe. The land will produce beautiful beef. New factories will be built. Zimbabwe has the ministry of reconciliation that will reunite the African people. The anointing of reconciliation will be all over Zimbabwe.
Do not be afraid of the change,although it looks like you are going back wards.I have a plan for you. Satan thinks he is advancing but I will expose wickedness at high levels. Do not be afraid. Satan will try to bring war, but the people will be used to stop war and bloodshed. A treaty will be written with other nations. Zimbabwe will be like Switzerland to bring the healing of nations- to break ancient things. Your nation came through trickery but God will restore it.
You will be given a piece of land- a beautiful place to pray. You will build a place to watch and pray. It will be like a village with a place to sleep. Senior citizens will have places to stay and give their time to pray day and night….
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>> An army of women with the Deborah anointing will march across the land. [There is only ONE Anointing and that is Jesus Christ. The NAR have a name for everything. I am waiting for the Moses anointing where they will be able to part damns - that would be a Youtube sensation.]
>> I will use Zimbabwe like a jewel; she will help feed the world with beautiful produce. [Cindy is speaking past tense here, cos this is what Zimbabwe used to do]
>> I know nothing of Zimbabwe [Apparently you know nothing of God either]
>> Zimbabwe has the ministry of reconciliation that will reunite the African people. [Actually no that's South Africa's job, you are confused]
>> Do not be afraid of the change,although it looks[Be afraid, be very afraid because when things get worse and go back wards it means God is no where to be found in the hearts of most Zimbabweans - the same can be said for the rest of the world; as the world gets worse and goes backward] like you are going back wards.
>> A treaty will be written with other nations. [Now this one I am interested in. Is Cindy prophesying some truth pertaining to African nations signing treaties with the Economic Partnership Agreement EPA with the European Union. Zimbabwe signed this treaty on the 2009/09/04 (this all in conjunction with the EU bringing African nations under it's control)
>> Your nation came through trickery but God will restore it. [Not sure which trickery she is speaking of here? Colonialism or Mugabe destroying his own people?]
>> You will be given a piece of land- a beautiful place to pray [Dominionism - Cindy is saying that Zimbabwe will be a little heaven on hearth and people will be safe and be able to express their beliefs day and night - which beliefs though is another question]
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Prophecy For The Nation Of Zimbabwe And Africa #2
Cindy Jacobs, Covenant Church of Pittsburgh
17/10/2001 – Pittsburgh
The Lord has a word for Zimbabwe. This is the word for the nation: Weeping only endures for a night but joy comes in the morning.
Satan is very afraid of Zimbabwe, very afraid, so he has sent his troops, but the Lord says, I myself have sent my angels and I am going to reveal myself to a people that has not recognized me. And the Lord says, I am going to raise up an army of Intercessors that have had to go deep, deep, deep like the palm tree in times of drought. And this army of Intercessors have clung and stood to the word of the Lord, so therefore I will use them to heal Africa says God.
And I am going to release a mighty prayer army that will go forth from this land. And the Lord says I am going to stay this spirit of violence and I am going to begin to reverse things in this land. The Lord says, don’t look at what you see now, but understand that I am going to make this a peace-making nation. And the Lord says, I the Prince of Peace am going to enthrone myself in miraculous ways there, says God. And this will be known as a country that is a peaceful country and restored.
The Lord gives me Joel. That God is going to restore the years that the cankerworm and the locust have eaten up. This will be a Joel nation and a Malachi nation and I am going to turn the heart of the fathers to the children and the children to the fathers.
There is a linking between Zimbabwe and South Africa, that will be miraculous for I am going to bring great healing between these nations says the Lord.
There are treasures of darkness that have waited till this hour in Africa to be released for the greatest harvest that continent has ever seen, and that the Africans will help protect and heal America, the Lord showed me that. And that which was despised, God is going to bring a humility into the heart of those in America to humble themselves to receive this word because it is in the healing of the nation that is going to come the receiving of the Africans.
The Lord is showing me that He is getting ready to build an east to the west road across Africa that will physically open up the heart of Africa. The Lord shows me that He is getting ready to reach the unreached and He is going to break open North Africa, break it open. I’m telling you God is going to break it open.
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>> Satan is very afraid of Zimbabwe, very afraid, so he has sent his troops, but the Lord says, I myself have sent my angels and I am going to reveal myself to a people that has not recognized me. And the Lord says, I am going to raise up an army of Intercessors that have had to go deep, deep, deep like the palm tree in times of drought. And this army of Intercessors have clung and stood to the word of the Lord, so therefore I will use them to heal Africa says God. [Right, well, if ever I read read a load of nonsense this is it (the first line that is lol). The last line where she says "so therefore I will use them to heal Africa says God" is an interesting one because this is true in terms of the false peace being spread across Africa driven by the EU]
>> but understand that I am going to make this a peace-making nation. [Nope, South Africa is the peace making nation (or superpower) in Africa. Zimbabwe is just another pawn, another example of how 2 parties can come together and shake hands because someone 'higher up' the EU told them too - or else no "Economic Partnership Agreement treaty?"]
>> And the Lord says, I the Prince of Peace am going to enthrone myself in miraculous ways there, says God. [Mark 16:19-20 19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God." Jesus current sits in His Thrown in heaven, so I would love to know who your 'prince of peace' is that is going to enthrone himself in Zimbabwe. Is this the same one the Bible calls the 'Angel of Light?]
>> The Lord gives me Joel. That God is going to restore the years that the cankerworm and the locust have eaten up. This will be a Joel nation and a Malachi nation and I am going to turn the heart of the fathers to the children and the children to the fathers. [Oh please, If Zimbabwe is a Joel nation then they are in serious trouble. In Joel 2:20 it refers to the defeat of the Northern Army, God himself removes it. “His stench will come up and his foul odour will rise because he has done monstrous things.” They will be judged and destroyed in the tribulation (Many refer this passage to Joel's Army as an army doing God's will through signs and wonders from the Latter Rain being poured out on them). However, the context in which we read about Joel's Army clearly shows that this army is destructive to Israel (Joel: 3, 5, 6), and God will destroy it. So why would anyone want to be part of this army - Well anyone who believes Cindy 'False Prophetess' Jacobs would be happy to join this false Christian army who God compares to Locusts that cause nothing but destruction.]
>> There is a linking between Zimbabwe and South Africa, that will be miraculous for I am going to bring great healing between these nations says the Lord [Ay yes, here is that link again that has indeed taken place as South Africa forms part as the mediator in brining order within the country of Zimbabwe. If this is achieved (be it a false peace) it will spread across Africa.]
>> There are treasures of darkness that have waited till this hour in Africa to be released for the greatest harvest that continent has ever seen, and that the Africans will help protect and heal America, the Lord showed me that. [Treasures of darkness? You've got to be kidding? Is she referring to Barack Obama born in Africa who will help 'heal' America? Hmmm]
>> And that which was despised, God is going to bring a humility into the heart of those in America to humble themselves to receive this word because it is in the healing of the nation that is going to come the receiving of the Africans. [America will humble themselves to an African president, who where previously African's we despised. This African will bring healing to their nation.]
>> The Lord is showing me that He is getting ready to build an east to the west road across Africa that will physically open up the heart of Africa. [Yes this makes sense as Obama has promised Africa (on His first African trip to Ghana) financial aid and to not be left out on on meetings regarding world decision making - but on condition they cease corruption and clean up their act].
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Jeremiah 23:16-17
16 This is what the LORD Almighty says:
“Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you;
they fill you with false hopes.
They speak visions from their own minds,
not from the mouth of the LORD.
17 They keep saying to those who despise me,
‘The LORD says: You will have peace.’
And to all who follow the stubbornness of their hearts
they say, ‘No harm will come to you.’
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Jeremiah 5:31 (King James Version)
The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?
Sums it up.
‘…priests bear rule by their means…’
They have created their own priestly hierarchy of rank & rule. They invent things the Lord never said, nor can we verify these ‘prophecies’ from the sufficiency of scripture.
‘…and my people love to have it so…’
Some people love this stuff. It’s what they want to hear.
Zimbabwe needs the Gospel of Christ and him crucified for the sins of men, not some Christianized lord of the rings fairy tale.
Hi Amanda,
As always I enjoy reading your aricles! Appreciate your humor and /or sarcasm!
I would like to ask something – the following quote has reference:
“These new modern day prophets insist that the church is to be governed by them based on the structure of the Ephesians 4:11 Fivefold ministry – with absolute authority.”
I would like to know your thoughts on how you think the 5-fold ministry will / sould operate?
Even for a “young” believer like me it is obvious that what’s going on at the moment, is not scriptural.
Thanks for your time.
Regards,
K
Hi Karen
Amanda did not write this. If she did it would say Amanda at the bottom of the article. My name is Deborah (writing as DTW) and then there is Discernment for Africa (DFA) another person(s) who help me with South African type research and other stuff in general. I post the article under the author or DFA sometimes written completely by me or written by someone else with my notes added and then they remain anonymous.
Regarding your question: “I would like to know your thoughts on how you think the 5-fold ministry will / sould operate?”
If it’s clear to you that what is going on is not scriptural why are you asking me how it should be when the bible is clear that the Word of God itself is GOOD enough to teach you without you being governed by a group of human beings who think they are higher up in the realm of spiritual hierarchies than you? Great, happy you answered your own question ;)
Is it not true that all born again Christians are born again, all children of God? We (‘we’ being those who are born again) are all sinners who are saved by Jesus Christ the Son of God, we all have the same Holy Spirit abiding in us who speaks the same truth to us. This is why genuine Christians speak the same ‘language’ so to say, i.e., when someone starts to seriously disagree with you based on biblical teaching red flags are hoisted because the Holy Spirit will not disagree with Himself. So either they are struggling and battling with what is truth or not or they are just not saved and don’t care for the truth. BIG NOTICE. The one who is struggling will not struggle for long if they love the Truth that is Jesus Christ who is the Word of God, the Holy Spirit never lets anyone down who is genuine in their Hearts and love Him. Men are the ones who choose false teachings over Him, we can’t blame anyone else at the end of the day, not even the 5-fold-ministry.
Of course some are more learn-ed than others and this is why we seek fellowship (note with genuine Christians only) where we learn from each other and those who have spent their lives studying the Word. Do you test what they say? Of course. 10 doctorates does not maketh a Christian. (Hmm that’s a good title for an article).
So, now you tell me how you think the 5-fold ministry should operate? If you need to study this subject further and search for the truth I request you do so. Don’t take my word for it. Take God’s Word for it.
Deborah,
Spot on!
I heard a question on Christian radio made to Gary Kah – how come all ‘these’ people who have never formally met or discussed their agendas in any detail are pursuing the exact same goals? (ie globalism). On the other hand – how is it possible that two truly born again Christians can meet for the first time and spend the next 10 hours discussing the Lord and scripture? Without hardly any disagreement in their worldviews?
Simple answer. They are being led of the same Spirit.
Hi Debora,
Thanks for clearing up the name issue! :-D
“So, now you tell me how you think the 5-fold ministry should operate?”
First off, I think that the 5-fold ministry will operate as it should if we realise that titles mean nothing, that function is everything. In other words, rather than claiming the title of “Prophet”, do what a prophet is supposed to do.And if I understand scripture correctly, a prophet is supposed to speak for God and more often than not this would entail serious correction and judgement.
If I listen to modern day “prophets”, they are nothing more than fortune-tellers.
But you are right, more study is needed.
Thanks for taking the time to give me feedback.
Karin
To get a better understanding on this whole 5 fold ministry thing you need to find out the core of Latter Rain teaching. That Israel is the Church and we are in the outpouring as per Joel. Which is completely not true and downright dangerous to even think so. The 5-fold ministry Apostle (can be compared to the super apostles, the ones Paul rebuked in Corinthians). The Prophets (are all false) as all the prophecy we need is in the Bible. In fact there is enough prophecy in there to keep us busy for well…until the end lol. And so we go down the line. Also look into the 7 Mountains thing where 5fm (No reference to the Radio station 5 FM) Christians are trying to infiltrate government, religion, education, science, media art…etc, etc.
I used to get quite irritated when I first started this blog 2 years ago (discerningtheworld.wordpress.com) and people would come on and say, ‘Oh your name is Deborah, you must be a prophetess!!!” Shock Horror. I realised there and then that the church was going back to the Hebrew way. Hey being Christian ain’t enough, you have to be Jewish and born again and you have to join Joel’s army and try take over Jerusalem for yourself, all this while convulsing and flailing under the power of a holy Spirit.
Quite frankly I don’t see them getting very far when manifesting these conditions haha.
Thanks this article & others. We are told the true road is narrow and hard to find. Also to watch & to not be deceived. This is a difficult call when we are surrounded by dominionist “Christianity”. Your work is encouraging.. God bless
My name is under a stone I hope.
Thank you!!! funny name :)
Zimbabwe has the ministry of reconciliation that will reunite the African people.
[Actually no that's South Africa's job, you are confused]. I want to ask you I think you are a South African. Are you jealous that other nations can be given this ministry. Do you know what she means when she says Ministry of Reconcilliation. Reconcilling people to God and to each other. What do you mean when you say its South Africa’s job? Are you not just speaking out of your self-righteousness and the deception that some in South Africa give to the world whilst displaying prejudice and bias to other African immigrants in South Africa and to each other. Is that the ministry of Reconcilliation. I would love to see South Africa live up that but only through Christ the righteousness of Christ which justifies us before God not the self-righteousness that other people have displayed to the world whilst denying incidents of Xenophobia.
Mzansi
Please read here : http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/07/16/xenophobia-in-south-africa/
Excerpt from link above posted. Please read more at link provided.
Biblical scenario
The Bible predicts something much worse than xenophobia for the end-time. It refers to a great tribulation when the Antichrist will gain control over the world. According to Revelation 13, he will institute a new world order of political, religious and economic unity on earth. During that time, many wars and natural disasters will occur on earth, but Christians who are spiritually worthy will escape the time of divine judgements (Luke 21:36).
We should look at the bigger picture and determine our actions accordingly. South Africans should not make the mistake of predicting a racially-based war of annihilation on the basis of historical conflicts. Neither should they make the mistake of putting themselves in place of Israel and start listening to the deceptive voices of their own prophets. More importantly still: we should not fall victim to the ecumenical thinking and globalism of the Antichrist’s coming new world order, as we would then deny the true Christ. That will be the most costly mistake that any person can make.
Mzansi wrote:
I think you need to lean about the word deception as the Bible teaches us. Cindy Jacobs
is a WOLF in sheeps clothing and a False Prophetess (self proclaimed by the way)
Matthew 24:24
For false Christs and false prophets will arise, and they will show great signs and wonders so as to deceive and lead astray, if possible, even the elect (God’s chosen ones).
2 Timothy 3:13
But wicked men and imposters will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and leading astray others and being deceived and led astray themselves.
1 John 2:26
I write this to you with reference to those who would deceive you [seduce and lead you astray].
1 John 3:7
Boys (lads), let no one deceive and lead you astray. He who practices righteousness [who is upright, conforming to the divine will in purpose, thought, and action, living a consistently conscientious life] is righteous, even as He is righteous.
Please go read and learn above verses in context. Bible study is important to all Christians. :-)
Why are there teaching about deceiving in the Bible Msanzi??
Mzansi
errrrrr….. ok….
Whst do you think about this prophecy by one Jonathan Hansen.
http://www.worldministries.org/south_africa.html
In this one, he says South Africa’s problem of Bias and Prejudice has deep roots and was never cured by Apartheid. He implies it now manifests itself in various forms with the players having changed colour. Would you concur with this description of your country and its leadership
Mzansi wrote:
No 1) Not one single Bible verse given by Jonathan Hansen that claims to give a Prophecy?
The term prophecy in Biblical terms mean to interpret the Scriptures the word of God. This is not what Jonathan Hansen is doing?
No 2) I quote from what he says here : I, Jesus Christ, see through your plots of deception and warn you that catastrophe and crisis are coming. The pseudo-economic growth projections will evaporize into nothing but a sea of lies and false promises — words of good intentions that never become fulfilled. Plans of blood will be exposed as blood will be shed and continue to be shed. end of quote. http://www.worldministries.org/south_africa.html
This is nowhere to be found in the Bible my humble opinion do not believe what Jonathan Hansen says for the Word of God says test every spirit to see whether it proceeds from God and what Jonathan Hansen says does not. For Jesus never spoke these words claimed above it is not to be found in the Bible. Mzansi start to read your Bible please and start of with the ten commandments.
Mzansi wrote:
Mzanzi
Men of every colour, race, nationality, are evil and deceitful – without Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour in an individuals life nothing will ever be good and nothing will ever come to fruition.
Jonathan Hansen is a false prophet. He has the audacity to speak about Jesus Christ in the 1st person… “I, Jesus Christ, …”. Unbelievable.
why not wait and see if these prophecies are not going to come to pass rather than try and get popularity by dismissing other people’s prophesies. are you a prophet yourself,maybe you can tell us what is going to happen yourself……..
Innocent
You see, it goes like this. Cindy Jacobs has been proven countless times to be wrong. Therefore by biblical standards she is a FALSE PROPHET. God never gets anything wrong, and He never lies either. So Innocent, I am sorry to say but you are wrong and you need to do more research before you come and comment. Do you not realise WHO you are really commenting about? Satan. By supporting Cindy Jacobs, a proven false teacher, and false prophetess, you support a false god.
Innocent
There are no people alive who have enough time to wait for these false prophecies to be fulfilled, because to wait for eternity is just a few years longer than most will live.
I have a much better plan, and it’s a whole lot more fun and highly profitable too. Start by reading about the truth in the Bible, you see and forget about the nonsense lies of self-proclaimed money hungry false deceiving prophets. They’re all wrong, anyway, not because I say so, but when you read the Bible, you’ll agree with me.
Secondly find Jesus right outside your door and let Him in. Tell Him you are heartbrokenly sorry for all the sins you have ever done which made Him cry, because he loved you more than your parent ever could. Promise yourself that you will never repeat them, and don’t, ever again. Stay on your knees in prayer for an hour, a day, a week as long as you need to, for you to feel sure that you are forgiven for your old bad life. That will be followed by fun like you never knew existed, because when it’s done, you will be a brand new person. A brand new person feels so good that even a brand new Ferrari makes no impression on them. That is the real deal, that type of fun.
Thirdly now, you will automatically receive so many free gifts, so many you’ll never grow tired of them. Your could lay your hands on some seriously awesome gifts: go see for yourself in the Bible, it’s like a catalogue of wisdom vs foolishness and what prizes you can win for your Faith. Go see the list in the book of 1 Corinthians 12:4-11 and still more for you to collect in Galatians 5:22-23. With these capital gains, used correctly you can start to look toward the only gift that matters, anyway, Innocent, eternal salvation with Jesus Christ in heaven for yourself.
Ok, so lets assume you do the right thing and you get all the gifts and peace. Now you can sit back for a small moment in time and think: “Innocent, my beloved self, you have a great God, so great I cannot even understand why I am so special to Him, why would He give this all to me freely?” The answers will be everywhere and what is more, your personal empire of love, peace and understanding will grow every day, as long as you keep to the simple rules, which you wouldn’t want to change anyway.
How does that sound to you as an exchange plan to rather than hanging around waiting, being totally unsure whether the False prophetess can or can’t and what it might cost you, or it might not work and you’ll be embarrassed. Rather seek where there are only truths, only true Prophets appointed by the one true God, not a showgirl from offices of a TV network. I leave you one little task do do: Find and read the prophecies of the true prophets, I gave you good clues where you can get them, and compare those to Cindy Jacobs flapping her mouth. You should be running, my good friend…With all our love in all of the Christians of the world, made one in the Body of Christ we await your joyful next comment here.
We have no rights to tell that Cindy Jacobs,Chuck Pierce are false prophets,because its God who anointed them and Using them in a mighty way as a channel to the nations.The vision is kept for the appointed time and it shall come to pass,so that the world will mourn and apologise for the wrong statements they have given against these mighy prophets..God will honour these prophets and the people will be rewarded according to their deeds.To god be the glory.Amen
Yada yada bla bla bla
Mr. Moses wrote “To god be the glory.Amen”
Yes, he is following false prophets who follow a false god.
are you tearing the church or you are building her?
Good Morning everyone, that is if you stay in NZ
I have been reading some of your comments from the questions asked and it is refreshing to find someone
who holds to SOUND biblical doctrine and uses scripture
to answer. Does not the Psalms tell us that “Thy word is
a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path”. So many
people hero worship the leaders and shepherds swearing
allegience to them and hang on their every word. I for
one do not, as Gods word says to respect, pray , encourage and honour where honour is due and to be a practical and spiritual blessing to them as a mature christian. Many fall into a blind lead the blind senario as they do not apply these truths to their lives, but fall and are seduced by false prohets and
false teachers. Christ is the true light that came into the world, but the world refuses to accept His glorious wisdom and the light of His word.
Blessings and wisdom to to from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ by the power and ability of His Holy Spirit
A brother and watchman in Christ
Andre
Ademokun, the ones who are tearing down the Church are the wolves in sheep’s clothing who are allowed to ravage God’s people and lead people astray.
Those who stand for sound doctrine are the ones building up the Church.
This site is dedicated to building up the Church and exposing those who would do harm to the Bride of Christ. The aim is to protect the Church and warn of the enemies of the Church.
Got it?
Just because the prophecy has not been fulfilled does not mean that is not doing a great thing in ZImbabwe. I am a Zimbabwean and I just read this prophecy today but I want you to know that God gave me Joel 2 from verse 18-27 for Zimbabwe. I want to assure you that God has already started doing wonders in Zimbabwe and if there is a nation that is passionate for God – it is Zimbabwe. Ask people like Joyce Meyer who have come to ZImbabwe and they will tell you. Unfortunatey whether you believe a prophecy or not God speaks & I know God Almighty spoke to me just as He did to Cindy and this is happening!!! It is a season of restoration in Zimbabwe and God is saying “no more shame for my people”! Rejoice all Zimbabweans for God is doing a great thing in our nation! You can call us prophets of doom but even Jesus was not believed. Visit Zimbabwe today and see what is happening, already Zimbabwe has been said to have the greatest diamond deposit in the world. This was discovered recently!! I know God is doing a new thing – Zimbabwe will be a jewel of Africa!
Charity
>> I am a Zimbabwean and I just read this prophecy today but I want you to know that God gave me Joel 2 from verse 18-27 for Zimbabwe
Well talk about twisting scripture. Joel 2 is for ISRAEL, Charity – NOT Zimbabwe.
>> I want to assure you that God has already started doing wonders in Zimbabwe and if there is a nation that is passionate for God – it is Zimbabwe
You kidding? If God is doing wonders for Zimbabwe, then why is the country still in UTTER turmoil with no sign of free and fair elections ever.
>> Ask people like Joyce Meyer who have come to ZImbabwe and they will tell you.
I live in South Africa Charity, I have more Zimbabweans around me per square inch than the total amount to be actually living in Zimbabwe and from what I hear, things are bad and getting WORSE AGAIN.
Charity, it seems your focus is the treasure you can gather here on earth, but the bible tells us that our TREASURE is in the AFTER LIFE. You are following Kingdom Now teaching where you are supposed to TAKE BACK the earth for Christ before His return. No where in the bible does it state it. In fact the opposite is true. Rumour of Wars, Wars, Peace and Safety and then the Anti-Christ. Which Christ will you be following?
Debs you have this sense of humour laced through your responses LOOOL. where did you get this?!! they’re HILARIOUS!!!! ;)
Lee
I dunno, ha ha ;)
I am an old lady of 72 years old from South Africa. I have discovered this website by “chance”?? Can I say something? I agree 100% with Deborah…no human being is her alpha or omega, but it seems only the Lord is her Alpha and Omega. Correct? I do correspond with a vice principal from one of the Universities in Zim.He is a poet, pastor and a very wise man and I can say this, all these things prophesied never came to pass and that is many, many years ago. I can just shake my head about all these so-called prophecies. This friend of mine, has to eat – what I can describe – the porridge and then as another meal, the burnt pieces in the pot. Compare that to the Cindy Jacobs, Peter Wagner, Creflo Dollar, Benny Hinn, Joyce Meyer etc. Why dont they give some of their millions to help those poor starving people in Zimbabwe…that is what Jesus would have done! They visit the poor and troubled countries, hand out a few toys, books etc, appear on TV and then they are gone! Boy oh boy, all this prophecies re that once beautiful country is in my opinion a lot of nonsense. Ask Cindy Jacobs to go and live in Zimbabwe and then “prophecy” again. In all my 62 years being a child of God, I have never heard, seen or experienced any prophecy to come to pass except those in the Bible. Please people, look to Jesus NOT to man or woman. People put all these “well known” preachers and prophets on a pedestal. They quote their jargon as gospel. If that pedestal topple over and that person falls flat on his face, will you still recognise him/her? I dont think so and what do you do? Go and find another screaming man or woman! The last couple of years all these “prophets” and preachers has fallen flat on their faces for all the false “preaching”. What reason do I have to say all this? I personally attended one of these churches for 18 years who LOVED to prophecy or invite prophets. To me it was always strange that the prophecies were directed to the people sitting in front of the platform?? Who were these people? pastors, leaders etc…the ordinary(?) church goer was invisible. For all these years not one of the prophecies came to pass. Even the promises made by the Senior pastor were false. Did God anoint these people? How do you know? Look at the fruit of these people!!!! Live as long as I have and then you will recognise the Wolves from the shepherds and sadly the shepherds are so few, because the wolves are eating and becoming FAT!
LOL surely that humour must be given as a gift when dealing with so many serious things!
Ria
Wise words from a 72 year old woman! Thank you! Look to JESUS and not to men.
Lee
Actually now that you mention it, I think it must be. Sometimes you gotta laugh at these things because crying gives you sinusitis.
Your humour reminds me acutely of God’s humour in the bible though Debs! Go look at the way Jesus responds to the pharisees in the Gospels lol! Although serious, at times they get angry because Jesus just shows them their stupidity! Thats what I see in your comments. Yeah it must be a gift loool because even God has it in the most serious cases!
Agreed Ria…I’ve been around for some time too…a believer since 1972…and spent a lot of time in the charismatic churches too…I received a prophecy from a prophetess Jan Painter that never materialised…it took me a long time to come to realise this is false…indeed more than this…it is tantamount to spiritual fraud…what is so frightening is the hold and bondage this form of manipulation takes…it is actual spiritual blindness…a form of teaching that is driven by lust for control and power over people and far removed from what the essence of the true gospel…the deceiving part part is that it is often served with partial truths and even at times with truth but the underlying motive is deception. Spiritual fraud is driven by the need of power and greed…the prosperity gospel is a the twisting of meaning in the context…it started way back with the Oral Roberts seed faith ministries and later the Kenneth Hagin ministries and appealed to the materialism that is prevailent amongst the Americans and linked to the American dream…it fell in line with the power of positive thinking…the Norman Vincent Peales…the Napoleon Hills,Dale Carnegy…Tony Robbins style . Spiritual fraud leads to material fraud later on…it is not uncommon that some of these charlatans and fraudsters often end up with their fingers in the till and huge scandals break out giving the unsaved world the incorrect perception of the gospel and leading myriads of souls away from the saving gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ…the sad thing is that many people won’t find this out until it is too late.
Michael, it is so sad that people “waste” so much time in charismatic churches…there could be some sound charismatic churches..or should I say, they start off very sound. Then when the money start rolling in.. things go hay wire. The church I attended for so many years, was Word based, but then the founder pastor and wife started to go overseas and that is when things just got out of hand (my opinion..because I was labelled as a “rebel”). When I questioned the prophecies, I was told..”put it on the shelf and wait”. I am still waiting. To tell the truth, some of them I just filed in the trash can. This old lady shocked her area pastor when I told him that! When the senior pastor had this “revelation” from the Lord to move to a state in the USA, my first question: who prophesied that? My second question: he was prophesied by a prophet that he will start a church in xxxxx way back then, now the Lord sends a prophet that he must start a church in America. WOW. Third question: was it the dollar calling or the situation (at that time) in South Africa? NO reply was given to me. I also believe that many of these churches practice “spiritual witchcraft”. Mentioning “fingers in the till”, oh yes, that also happened in that church. The senior pastor had a personal intercessor, prophetess, at the beck and call of the pastor. This lady had her fingers in the till of the tithers. Those fingers were manicured with false nails etc. She had the “cheek” to start her own church and we as a family ..ignorant of her fraudalent ways, was caught in that web. After thousands of Rands of tithes and offerings, I told her to take her prophecies, “preaching” elsewhere. So strange that all these people who give prophecies, etc., end up with dirt, scandal etc…are they called by God? I say NO! They see the opportunity to make money and they do..but then the “congregation” ends up without a shepherd, they are lost. Oh dear I can go on and on and sometimes I get MAD, other times I am SAD when I see people confused and you still get those people that are blinded by all these charlatans. Oh dear bring back the true preachers. Some of them preached HELL and HEAVEN, but they were true. Be blessed Michael!
Michael said: “the deceiving part part is that it is often served with partial truths and even at times with truth but the underlying motive is deception.”
How very profoundly true! Most hear even a snippet of truth and swallow the whole thing. I have heard the defense of a false teacher that “no one has ALL the truth”. When I hear that I dust my feet off and move on because that is a sign they are devoid of discernment and don’t want it.
Now I am not sure if the publisher of this site is a Christian or a layman but seems anonymous. I am a Zimbabwean and this prophecy was given in 1998. Then I was in school, life was very good in Zimbabwe. Back then it was as if the prophecy meant another nation, we never thought reconciliation was remaining to be done. As far as we were concerned reconciliation was in history 1980 & 1987 Unity Accord. But that same year in November many of my classmates could not write exams, chaos reared its head with riots everywhere. From then it has been a downward spiral. From where i am in South Africa, Zimbabweans have become more conscious of God, many have turned to Christ for restoration and preservation. In 2008 elections it was all out war on the civilians until the leader of the opposition chose not to contest the election run-off, soldiers had been deployed everywhere, threats of war, torture, intimidation was the order of the day. For the greater part of our efforts, we were truly moving backwards. Currently there is talk of a covert coup by the soldiers. As for a treaty with other nations, we have the GPA which we can consider a treaty.
You say you have more Zimbabweans per square inch than those in Zimbabwe. Where in South Africa are you based because I am willing to demystify this lie? You say South Africa was bestowed the ministry of reconciliation how so? Share your prophecy also, don’t leave it in the closet. Overall you seem to have used your head to understand the prophecy, I did that long back and it didn’t make sense then. How do you come to a conclusion that this prophecy will not be fulfilled? Seeing that you use current events to debunk it! Habbakuk 2:3 “For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie, though it tarry, wait for it, it will surely come….” This prophecy in just under 12 years, the things it speaks of started to happen 2000. What is the time frame for prophecy to be fulfilled? 1,2,3 or 5 years? Whats your take on revelation its been over 2000 years since it was written, privately do you debunk it as well? If not why? What time frame have you set for revelation to be fulfilled? Be careful of trapping yourself in unbelief and deny Christ one day at your death bed because Christ did not come in your time. Even biblical prophets were ridiculed for their prophecy which was later a stumbling block to many. Just don’t use your head to understand the things of God or else you will run into serious problems.
Sir, you don’t seem to understand what a Christian is. A layperson is one commonly referred to and who is a Christian but is not a Christian leader or pastor. God is no respecter of persons – Christ gives His gifts to each member of the Body whoever they are. The writer of this blog is a Christian I assure you and is led by the the Holy Spirit to exercise the gift God has given.
Cindy Jacobs is a false prophet – that is an establish fact. If you quarrel with that, your quarrel is not with this website but with the Word of God.
Hi,
I found your site by chance. Ive had quite a bit to do with Zimbabwe (various friends there, church involvement, been there for 3 weeks, brother in law is a black Zimbabwean.) and I found Cindys prophecy very interesting…there is a ring of truth to it i think some of it could very well come true. There is some cool stuff happenin in Zim, despite the problems, and it wouldnt surprise if this happened. :)
Matt
Matt Gilling
>> there is a ring of truth to it i think some of it could very well come true. There is some cool stuff happenin in Zim
Can I laugh now? or now until later?
You know what…this world is not going to get any better…Zim, SA, USA, UK, Russia, NZ, China, Japan…nowhere mate…only the world to come in heaven…it is clear in the scriptures…I get ill in my stomach when I hear WOF, Dominionists, Prosperity and Kingdom now speakers, preachers, evangelists and writers who claim to be Christians speak with optimism proclaiming a new thing and a new world in this physical world…that things are about to change for the better and God setting up the church and Christians to rule. Yes…true believers know that Jesus is coming back to rapture His true church.
When you see how bad and wicked and insensitive to sin we have become, we know it can’t be too long and we look forward to the rapture.
These so-called “Christians” are totally blind.
Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.” John 18:36.
Since 1970 the USA has performed over 51 million abortions…yes 51 million of these tiny tots have and are still being murdered every day. These are people, God’s little ones. If only we could see visually this little life in a mothers womb being hacked to pieces and pulled out of the mother in sections as if they were a cancerous cyst.
After the second world war ended and the allied troops entered Germany, General Eisenhower was taken to death camps and what he and his men saw…piles and piles of murdered Jewish people in heaps and mass graves…thousands upon thousands…he could not believe it…he had seen tough battles and men blown up in pieces but this was too much…he just could not believe that such people existed that could do this to their own. He told his men to call the press and get as many photos and cine’s of these awful sights as they can. When he was questioned why, he told them…”because in years to come nobody would believe it” and you know what he was right…today there are people who are skeptical and saying it did not happen.
And yet as horrible as this was it is nowhere as shocking as 51 million little ones been cut to pieces as if they were valueless. It is a pity that these grotesque acts are not filmed and shown to the public.
People are rightly outraged when a serial killer like Ted Bundy murders many young women as he did many years ago and they cried out for vindication and enjoyed seeing this very disturbed man going to the electric chair.
However something worse is here…right amongst mankind whose hearts are so cold, hardened and anti-God and Christ. Society in the so-called modern world has lost it’s soul and turned their backs on the Saviour and His Word.
Jesus said: Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, Matt 24:12
Debs…I my comments here might be off the topic…but what I am really saying in general is that all these false teachers, prophets and their affiliations continue to entice and seduce the total blindness of fallen man by offering materialism, prosperity and hope to impoverished people, well being and prosperity to people and nations…when in fact the real problems and biggest diseases are their sins and their indifference and total blindness (a case of of you cannot see the wood for the trees) and yes sin has all these destructive bi-products.They give false hope and wrongful solutions.
God wants people to repent first…not so much en-mass but each individual taking on responsibilty of his/her fallen state and repent and turn from sin and this means a strong stand against the wickedness in our societies and nations…the danger is that it is so very bad that we tend to bury it and because our hearts eventually become immune and insensitive.
Man has always been sinful since the fall and many atrocities have been committed through out history but we have now reached an age where so-called exceptable norms in societies contain some of the worst atrocities committed.
Cindy Jacobs is just one of the many that give the wrong message. She is very good at tickling peoples ears and giving them what they want to hear.
I agree with you Matt, only someone who has not kept a pulse on the happenings in Zimbabwe for the past decade will not understand. Currently the major talking point is of the army generals trying to continue their grip on power albeit covertly. They are not getting their way and in the end they might try to do a coup d’etat. I hope for reference purposes will not be taken down and also it is my wish that the site owner avail who they are so that we can reflect and say Mr. So & So what do you have to say now. Still I got no respose from Deborah regarding question raised regarding the assertions. Layman I did not use it in the context of Christians but a person with limited knowledge of a subject.
The prophecy is trully for Zimbabwe. 12 spies were sent by Moses to spy Canaan. Ten brought a neagative report. Caleb and Joshua brought a good report. Mind you these people were together. If you choose to be negative then take the bad side of Zim. If you are positive then you will come to know that Zimbabwe is one of the countries prospering in the whole world. People who see problems are short sighted. At the Red sea Moses didnot see the sea or Egyptian army but was seeing Canaan.
When a prophecy is given it is true. The positive shall eat the good of the land. And negative will die in their doubt. Read 2 Kings 7v 1-20. You shall see Zimbabwe prospering and you shall reamin because of your unbelief
I am puzzled by this Deborah and wonder as to what her real mission is? Some say she has a sense of humour but I sense anger and such negative emotion I can’t believe this site is meant to give glory to God. So what if the prophecy is not true or is true, whats that to her, let those who want to believe believe it, is there no freedom of worship and expression in SA. And what if the prophecy does come true, I am not aware that a timeline was given. What’s she gonna say then?
If you really love the Lord, use your time and creativity to speak the truth in love and bring people in the kingdom, otherwise we have to wonder who your real master is.
I always come back to this site. I hope when prophecy is fulfilled it will not be brought down. If we could know the Harold Camping behind this site it would awesome as well. Everytime I see changes I come here, are you seeing the soldiers portion getting into motion?
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this sounds heavy man. and although all you say is complete truth my brother/sister try a more loving approach like Jesus would.you don’t wanna be right and ignored because of sound rude.rather you want people to take note and listen to the wisdom in ur pages.for example this i suppose was a genuine question from someone who clearly told you they are a new christian looking for guidance. “If it’s clear to you that what is going on is not scriptural why are you asking me how it should be when the bible is clear that the Word of God itself is GOOD enough to teach you without you being governed by a group of human beings who think they are higher up in the realm of spiritual hierarchies than you? Great, happy you answered your own question ;)
guide them. Teach them what you know, sarcasm is hardly the way. apologies if i come off rude in this.
be blessed
elgin
There is no sarcastic tone in that comment. Only one you put there yourself.
Runyararo
LOL, take your blinkers off.
Cornerstone
>> If you are positive then you will come to know that Zimbabwe is one of the countries prospering in the whole world
You kidding? Prospering? Open your eyes. I am from South Africa, a neighboring country to Zim, I know EXACTLY what is going on there. But I am guessing you will hold onto this prophesy forever – the slightest sign of a turnaround and you will start doing cartwheels, even though it’s all lies.
Deb
You say you know whats happening in Zimbabwe because you live in South Africa. In reality you hear about what’s happening. Papers report negatively. And allow people to believe whom they want and what they want. You judge. I believe in God and His prophesy He sent through Cindy. I have seen part of it come to pass. Zimbabwe will be what God says it will be. I agree with Runyaro. This site is just humor not to be taken serious.
Pepe
Paper reports? No dude I speak to Zimbabweans.
You Better come back Cindy…
Extract from “THE ECONOMIST” 31 March 2011
Zimbabwe – It gets worse again
“An election in present circumstances may cause even more bloodshed”
In the past couple of months hundreds of MDC officials, human-rights activists and anyone else suspected of not supporting Mr Mugabe’s Zanu-PF have been arrested, beaten up, tortured and killed in an upsurge of state-sponsored violence ahead of elections that Mr Mugabe wants to be held by June. Until recently, Zanu-PF youth militias, soldiers and self-proclaimed “war veterans” (many of them far too young to have fought in Zimbabwe’s guerrilla war of independence in the 1970s) had tended to limit their terror tactics to the countryside. But now they have begun to rampage through towns as well, smashing windows, looting shops, destroying homes and terrorising the locals, while Mr Mugabe’s police stand idly by.”
http://www.economist.com/node/18491672
Everything allright in a country that has the following…A guy at work just handed me a 100 Trillion dollar bill. It is from Zimbabwe and it is real. He says it is worth about 10 dollars American. True – look it up on Wikipedia. Zimbabwe has had the least valued currency in the world, and in 2009 just started using currency other than their own. In other words, the dollar bill handed to me is obsolete.
Come on get real…where are you coming from…cloud cuckoo land.
Mugabe is worst than all the Hitlers,Stalins,Sadam Husseins,IDI Amins put together …has murdered millions of political opponents.
And, now I see that the ‘war veterans’ are taking their looting to the cities. Before it was out in the villages were they would burn, rape and murder. Maybe these people who are living in ‘cloud cuckoo land’ (LOL) would like to spend a few weeks in Zim, maybe that will open their eyes to the lies these prophets speak.
Deborah,
I am Zimbabwean, from a town 25km from Harare called Chitungwiza so I know what exactly is going on the ground. I visit often and if the people you speak to were truthful they would tell you changes are taking place all around. Perhaps they are preying on your philanthropy to get freebies, who knows. I have seen the crisis blow by blow so I dont need oral relation of the situation, like I said before, I hope this site will not be closed in a few years time or this post deleted, but God is supreme, your conscience will be your judge then as we saw with Harold Camping.
These must be isolated incidents. A friend living in the country was puzzled by these reports and says that there is no such unrest in their sector and this was news to them. There is open reporting in a free press and they do not feel any threat to their safety. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Could this be blown out of proportion? Maybe someone else who lives in Zimbawee could weigh in here.
Runyararo
Really? Then why are you in South Africa if Zim is turning around? And why are thousands still pouring over the boarders seeking safety. Maybe it’s time you go back home.
BL
What I do know is that Mugabe’s reports are mostly suppressed. Could be those that are misleading… and then of course, hate speech is not popular with the government.
Doctors Call Zimbabwe’s Ruined Health System a “Man-Made Disaster”
July 30th, 2011 | Author: Black Africa
http://www.blackafrica.net/2011/07/30/doctors-call-zimbabwes-ruined-health-system-a-man-made-disaster/
Not getting better…
I was in Zim 4 years ago and locals told me they are getting used to the “misfortune” of the past decade. It gets better when you get used to…
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I give Glory to the Almighty God who chooses the dispised things.. Even in the days of our Lord Jesus Christ, people were saying can anything good come out of Nazareth.One thing we have to know is that His ways are not our ways.. Anyway all i am here to say is.. Let all of us be creations and Let God be God. It is dangerous to argue on the behalf of God. He is God all by Himself. Modern day Pharisees are rising up. They dont want to enter the Kingdom and yet they also prevent others from entering too.. I am Zimbabwean and have seen the Hand of God in this nation.. Let God be true and every man a lair.
I have no idea if this prophecy is true or false, i cant say otherwise. I will however say this. God is with us and He is on our side, He will make a way far above all we know, far above all we hope. Our God is able and in His name we will overcome. He will NEVER fail, Zimbabwe WILL be great again, I will pray unceasingly for this, beseeching God day and night for His mercies which are new everyday. He has done great things and will do them again. Just when the world is mocking and laughing at us saying things will never get better He will raise us up.
hey…i’m from the Philippines, and currently she is speaking at our city at this very hour that i’am writing to you. anyways…you got some points there…and somehow i’am afraid of what the outcome will be…she prophesied that a christian leader will become the president but failed two times already. it’s enough for me to be convinced that she is a false one. “and they are bringing this “fire” anointing” here in the conference. what struck me most is when i read Isaiah 27:11 “When its twigs are dry, they are broken off and women come and make fires with them.
For this is a people without understanding; so their Maker has no compassion on them, and their Creator shows them no favor.” doesn’t twigs resemble branches?
i’m shocked that you claim to be christian.anyone who lives in zimbabwe surely knows the massive deborah anointing of prayer that is in our nation.im amazed that God has raised up strong women of prayer…this is truelly awesome.now in zimbabwe there is a strong hunger for christ…do you know that old church divisions have fallen and if you strike a conversation with anyone the possibility that they are a strong chritian is over 90%
this is not a message to this discourager of souls who put this article..this is for my zimbabwean christians who know how God has transformed our nation.we will walk in greater glory amen.and now they have discovered diamonds in our nation.its coming to pass i can see it.
tell this fellow that SUSPICION IS NOT DISCERNMENT.
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keith
>…..knows the massive deborah anointing of prayer that is in our nation…
bbwwwahahahaha ROTFL shame dude you are so deceived.
God is working in the hearts of Zimbabweans who are seaking HIM, but NOT through the likes of a ‘deborah anointing’ or anything spoken by the FALSE prophetess Cindy Jacobs.
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