Ray McCauley & Joel ‘Stop talking to God’ Osteen – Coca Cola Dome (23-24 Oct 2009)

joelolsteen-cocacolaoct2009 Ray McCauley

The time for only 2 DAYS OF HOPE draws nigh…

Updated  20th October 2009 (See notes at end of article)

Oh the invasion continues.  Joel ‘stop taking to God’ Osteen and a pack of friends are gracing us with their presence in October 2009 at the Coca-Cola Dome for a mere R325 if you pay for a ticket before the 5th April and R375 after the 5th April [2]. What a bargain!  Two days of nothing but Latter Rain and Emergent false teaching to transform your soul.

Besides the hefty price, notice the psychology – get it before the 5th April at R325 otherwise their teaching becomes more expensive after that date.  Do these people also work on inflation as well?  Hang on *whips out calculator* that’s an increase of 15.4% – way above inflation.  Oops sorry my fellow South Africans, it’s now the 29th May; you are gonna have to cough up more.

It’s so sad that it’s ONLY two days of hope.  So once they have left all hope is gone?  And what about before they arrived?  Hmm…

rayandzeldamccauleyAnyhow this entire event has been orgistrated sorry I mean organised by Rhema Church – Ray and Zelda McCauley.  You would think that Ray would have checked to see if Joel Osteen preached the true gospel of Jesus Christ.  Oh wait, he invited Jacob Zuma to his church to give a ‘why you need to vote for me speech’, so scrap that thought.

Quite frankly I would not expect anything less from Ray McCauley when it comes to making money and inviting heretics onto his stage to lead his already lost congregation even deeper into that deep, dark, thorny forest, of one world consciousness.

Now apparently there are going to be over 25 international guests at this celebration.  Let’s see who they all are:  Oh gosh, they don’t give all the names.  That’s a bit sneaky is it not? Buy your ticket then find out afterwards that they invited someone even more heretical than Joel Osteen.

Since I don’t have all the names let’s just go find about the ones that are mentioned. Actually I am just going to concentrate on Joel Osteen considering he is the top performer at this celebration.

I have found quotes made my Joel Osteen from TV interviews, Larry King Live and his book Your Best Life Now: 7 Steps to Living at Your Full Potential.  I have then taken the quotes and grouped them under different headings showing just exactly how ungodly this man is.   [Underlining emphasis added to quotes]

New Age, Emerging Church, Contemplative Spirituality, You are a little god in your Secret Place:

  • A lot of churches have not moved with the times.
  • I don’t want to just preach to the church. I feel like I have a broader message.
  • I try to speak in everyday language. I feel like God has gifted me to take Bible principles and make them practical.
  • People respond when you tell them there is a great future in front of you, you can leave your past behind.
  • To me, we’re marketing hope.
  • You can be happy where you are.
  • It’s vital that you accept yourself and learn to be happy with who God made you to be. If you want to truly enjoy your life, you must be at peace with yourself. [1]
  • When you are tempted to get discouraged, remind yourself that according to God’s word, your future is getting brighter; you are on your way to a new level of glory. You may think you’ve got a long way to go, but you need to look back at how far you’ve already come. You may not be everything you want to be but at least you can thank God that you’re not what you used to be. [1]
  • God will not pour fresh, creative ideas and blessing into old attitudes. [1]
  • You need to follow your own heart in light of God’s word and do what you feel is right and good for you. [1]
  • Keep in mind, just because you don’t know the answer doesn’t mean that one does not exist. You simply haven’t discovered it yet. [1]
  • You may be sitting around waiting for God to change your circumstances. Then you’re going to be happy, then you’re going to have a good attitude, then you’re going to give God praise. But God is waiting on you to get up on the inside. When you do your part, He’ll begin to change things and work supernaturally in your life. [1]

Word of Faith, Prosperity Gospel: Health and Wealth:

  • God wants us to prosper financially, to have plenty of money, to fulfill the destiny He has laid out for us.
  • If you give, you will be blessed.
  • If you want to rear financial blessings, you have to sow financially.
  • It’s God’s will for you to live in prosperity instead of poverty. It’s God’s will for you to pay your bills and not be in debt.
  • Don’t simply settle for what your parents had. You can go further than that. You can do more, have more, be more. [1]
  • God wants you to have a good life, a life filled with love, joy, peace, and fulfillment.  That doesn’t mean it will always be easy, but it does mean that it will always be good. [1]

Positive Confessions, Law of Attraction, Karma:

  • Choosing to be positive and having a grateful attitude is going to determine how you’re going to live your life.
  • If we say it long enough eventually we’re going to reap a harvest. We’re going to get exactly what we’re saying.
  • When you focus on being a blessing, God makes sure that you are always blessed in abundance.
  • Start calling yourself healed, happy, whole, blessed, and prosperous. Stop talking to God about how big your mountains are, and start talking to your mountains about how big your God is. [1]

Faith is a Force,  By Activating your faith you activate the god in you, You are a little god:

  • Faith activates God – Fear activates the Enemy.
  • You can change your world by changing your words… Remember, death and life are in the power of the tongue.
  • God didn’t make a mistake when He made you. You need to see yourself as God sees you.
  • You may make some mistakes-but that doesn’t make you a sinner. You’ve got the very nature of God on the inside of you.
  • We may get knocked down on the outside, but the key to living in victory is to learn how to get up on the inside.
  • You must reprogram your mind with God’s word; change that negative, defeated self-image, and start seeing yourself as winning, coming out on top. Start seeing that marriage as restored. See your business as flourishing. See your children as enjoying the good things of God. You must see it through your eyes of faith, and then it will begin to happen. [1]

Taking sides:

  • I don’t think that a same-sex marriage is the way God intended it to be.
  • I’m going to let God be the judge of who goes to heaven and hell.
  • I’m very careful about saying who would and wouldn’t go to heaven. I don’t know.

He thinks?:

  • I think Bible principles are principles for life.
  • I think God’s justice is making wrongs right.


  • I’ve never preached one sermon on money, on just finances. I want to stay away from it.
  • Prospering just doesn’t have to do with money.
  • You can be committed to Church but not committed to Christ, but you cannot be committed to Christ and not committed to church.

Contradictions galore:

  • If you’re not seeing God move in your life right now, one of two possibilities must be considered. Either your requests are not God’s best and will probably not be answered the way you’d like or it must not be the right time. If God were to answer that prayer the way you are hoping, it could interfere with his ideal plan for you. [1]
  • The sad truth is, if you push hard enough, and if you’re so stubborn that you must have things your way, God will sometimes allow you to undertake a project without His blessing or at the wrong time. The problem with that, of course, is when you start something in your own strength and in your own timing, you’re going to haveto finish it and maintain it in your own strength [1]
  • Don’t just accept whatever comes your way in life. You were born to win; you were born for greatness; you were created to be a champion in life [1]

Blasphemy, not that some of his other quotes aren’t:

  • If Jesus were here today, he wouldn’t be riding around on a donkey. He’d be taking a plane, he’d be using the media.

Can’t sin anymore:

  • We were old sinners – but when we came to Christ we are not sinners anymore.
  • God knows your value; He sees your potential. You may not understand everything you are going through right now. But hold your head up high, knowing that God is in control and he has a great plan and purpose for your life. Your dreams may not have turned out exactly as you’d hoped, but the bible says that God’s ways are better and higher than our ways, even when everybody else rejects you, remember, God stands before you with His arms open wide. He always accepts you. He always confirms your value. God sees your two good moves! You are His prized possession. No matter what you go through in life, no matter how many disappointments you suffer, your value in God’s eyes always remains the same. You will always be the apple of His eye. He will never give up on you, so don’t give up on yourself. [1]

Message of Sin, Repentance and Jesus Christ’s sacrifice on the Cross has been completely discarded:

  • If you know you have to wait anyway, why not make a decision to enjoy your life while you’re waiting? Why not be happy while God is in the process of changing things? After all, there’s nothing we can really do to make it happen any faster. We might as well relax and enjoy our lives, knowing that at the appointed time God is going to bring his plan to pass. [1]


  • When we don’t forgive, we’re not hurting the other person. We’re not hurting the company that did us wrong. We’re not hurting God. We’re only hurting ourselves. [1]

Well Ray McCauley, I do consider you to be a very intelligent man, with lots of degrees behind your name (I think).  When you hire someone to work for you, when you hire someone to come and baby sit your children, or when you support someone who is going to represent what you believe; surely you do a background check and you go find out what they are really all about?

Do they really adhere to the full gospel of Jesus Christ or do they preach another gospel that mocks and insults Jesus Christ and degrades the Word of God into a mere joke!

But then you did your checks, didn’t you.  You’ve read his books, you’ve heard what he has to say and this is why you’ve invited him to your platform and others who think like he does.  Because this is what you think too!

raymccauleythesecretplaceYour entire church from the beginning was based on Kenneth ‘Papa’ Hagin’s metaphysical Word of Faith teaching. Who  did a fine job of copying the writings of EW Kenyon. I wont even mention William Branham.  And now you and your church are finally coming into a new age, finally emerging, finally you are able to break free from the shackles of the Bible that have held you back.  Finally you can come out and make known your new one world view and throw off those old robes that have been weighing you down for so long.

It must have been really tough for you to keep hiding in at biblical corner for all these years.  But you have found a new secret place haven’t you?    Image of The Secret Place book: 



Updated  20th October 2009. 

We have just received news that the following people will be speaking at the the conference.   Ok we knew this for a while, but didn’t bother to post it because it’s being advertised.  But seeing as though everyone in South Africa is getting excited about this conference were thought we would help to just boost their advertisting a bit.  And maybe help people make a last minute decision that the money the spent to go is not worth the spiritual deception they are being sucked into.

  • Israel Huston and the NEW BREED  (Joel’s Army for those who don’t know what the New Breed really means.  This is Latter Rain Manifest Sons of God teaching.  For those who did not follow Todd Bentley’s Revival/Outpouring at Lakeland in Florida USA in 2008 now is the time to see what he taught and what happened to this so called godlyrevival.  Also see Rick Joyner, C Peter Wagner (Head Apostle for the New Apostolic Reformation) along with a whole host of other false teachers.  See categories on the left hand side of this blog for Chuck Pierce, Patricia King, JoAnne Fatter, Lou Engle (The Call) and tons of others.)
  • Joseph Prince (He has been at Rhema before see below)
  • Don Phillips, Moso Sono and Cindy-Cruise Ratcliff  (I have have no idea who they are, but quite obviously from the same flock)
  • At Boshoff (Making his debut I guess, bringing Word of Faith and the Emerging Church closer together in South Africa)

So where are the other international speakers, should be 25?  Hmm…oh well.

Here is a conference that Rhema held back in 2008 called ‘Radical Christianity’ and the speakers that attended:

Rhema Conference 2008 LogoRhema Conference Speakers







[1] Joel Osteen (Your Best Life Now: 7 Steps to Living at Your Full Potential)
Other quotes from : http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/j/joel_osteen_2.html
Image of Two days of Hope conference:
[2] http://itickets.co.za/events/224967/Johannesburg_Ga/Two_Days_of_Hope.html
Image of Ray and Zelda McCauley:  http://www.news24.com/Beeld/Suid-Afrika/0,,3-975_2251143,00.html
Please share:

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Deborah Ellish is the author of the above article. Discerning the World is an internet Christian Ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa. Tom Lessing and Deborah Ellish both own Discerning the World. For more information see the About this Website page below the comments section.

Name or Username
Terms and Conditions

After commenting you have 15 minutes to EDIT your comment. Click the gear comment-gear at the bottom right corner of the comment box, then click EDIT.

Recent Comments Section: The last page of most recent comments is displayed first. Please read all previous comment pages if there are any. Thank you.
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments

I thank GOD that he has given all Christians (people reading blogs like these)common sense and a spirit of discernment. There is something seriously wrong with the author of this blog.

Who gives anyone the right to be SO judgemental about people like Ps. Ray mcCauley, who is passionate about leading people to Christ, at every service or opportunity he gets?

Most of us only know about these men of God what we read in the media and blogs similar to this, and cannot make such assumptions if we don’t have direct access to the person(s). Please redirect your energy to something positive…

Discerning The World


>> There is something seriously wrong with the author of this blog.

You are right, there is seriously something wrong with me and all other genuine born again Christains as per the NEW Christians out there who love wickendess and blatant false teaching. They love to mock the Bible and Jesus Christ the Son of God. Like Joel and Ray do…and you to do, considering you agree with their horrific, disgusting teaching!

>> Please redirect your energy to something positive…

Ah there we go, positive confession. Sorry I don’t have the power to direct things like you do, but seeing that you can I ask you to direct your energy elsewhere…like maybe towards cooling the earth…since this seems to be way more important that LOVING the Word of God and not following after evil teachers and their teachings.


You are not different from the past pharasees. i suggest you repent and ask God to forgive you. you might not see it but you are fighting againts God Himself by critisizing His servants. if you think there is something wrong with their teachings, why don’t you pray for them and then approach them personally than to post these foolish blogs? Repent or else you will be sorry. Men and women of God are known by their fruits.

Discerning The World


I hope you are speaking about Joel Osteen and Ray McCauley. Must be cos they are the ones who insult Jesus Christ with their false teaching.


The author claims to be “born again” yet he judges people so blatantly!!! YOU WILL BE JUDGED!!! REPENT BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!!

Discerning The World

Oh you are one of those who judge others telling them not to judge…


I read a few articles in your website. You claim to be genuine christians yet your site is about criticizing others ministers of the gospel. If for instance TB Joshua is fake, can you show us the real miracles? if God, the father of our Lord Jesus is almighty and you claim to know and your are like Jesus, why don’t we hear you doing the true works of God? I don’t think the ministry you received from God is about being the police man in the body of Christ. Focus on your calling, win souls for God, preach the true gospel, heal the sick, raise the dead, speak in new tongues. You will give account to God for your calling and they will answer to God on their own.

thank you

Michael Anthony

Shame on you all…

Judge not? My answer is ‘twist not scripture lest you become like the devil’ Matthew 7 is talking about righteous judgement (taking the log out of your eye etc before turning towards others). In fact scriptures command us to test all things, prove all things. That is righteous judgement.

Paul did not mince his words when warning against false teachers, in fact in later epistles he names false teachers BY NAME.

Acts 20

29 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves. 31 Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.


That was the most ridiculous, shallow defense of whatever it is you were trying to defend.
Show us real miracles? Are you that biblically illiterate? The generation that saw the 10 plagues, red sea parting, day and night miracles (should I go on?) PERISHED in the desert! Jesus said ‘ A WICKED generation (yup, if the shoe fits…) seeks after a sign. The greatest miracle is the work of the Holy Spirit turning revilers, murderers, robbers, rapists, pedophiles and beasts into repentant servants of the most high. FAITH (that he gives us) is greater than so called miracles.
The power of God is in the preaching of the cross, the ‘foolishness of preaching’ the gospel, to paraphrase it. Not in miracles. Miracles will always be at God’s discretion, it took the secular media to expose the fraud that TB Joshua is, simply because the church is too blind to see. (Jesus did say, you say you can see therefore you are blind. It’s when you realize how vulnerable and susceptible to deception we as humans are and ask God to open our that we even begin to see…)


So by judging the author of this blog you are exempt of the sin of UNRIGHTEOUS judging, right? No scriptural support for your accusation…Did it ever occur to you that the above mentioned teachers may actually be wolves in sheep’s clothing. Just a thought. You know, a distant possibility.


[quote] ‘Men and women of God are known by their fruits’. Yep, and you cannot discern bad fruit from the real. I suggest that you repent and stop calling good evil and evil good. God kind of – well – he gets pretty angry at that.

I have only been on this website for a day. I don’t see these accusations from the author of this blog, all I see I someone warning others of damnable heresies that are so prevalent in the church of Jesus. Read Matthew 13 – the parable of the tares and the wheat. 50% of the modern day church is filled with Satan’s ministers and false converts, yet they sound Christian, talk Christianese and mimick Christians. Can you tell the difference? Discernment is not a suggestion in the new testament…

The seduction of Christianity is alive and well.

May God grant us the wisdom to see what we are unable to see with human limitations and may he have mercy on our foolishness and disobedience for following things without accurately dividing the word of truth.

A blind street singer in the 1930’s – Blind Willie Johnson – sang this song: ‘ I have a bible in my home, if I don’t READ it my soul will be lost…’
(His sister taught him how to read with his fingers)

The blind dude could see.


Michael Anthony: keep standing and don’t stop speaking!

Ebubu and others: who says “the author” (and obviously those who “talk the same language”, who says they DON’t do these “works” that you all keep hammering on!? Last week we prayed for someone (won’t go into details), the Lord healed them. this Sunday we prayed for someone else, they are healed. A lady in my church, her daughter got married. They didn’t had money for a wedding. 1 mnth before the big day, people started streaming to their house, resulting in them receiving over and abundantly EVERYTHING they needed for a wedding, dress and suit for couple included! and all we did was to start praying about 2 mnths ago. Or is this not a miracle? (christians with Hindu background – they invite the whole church to a love-feast the day before the wedding – that’s the miracle!). I’ve prayed for the husband to be for almost a year now. the Sunday after the wedding, he told his wife they must find out when the next baptismal service is, he wants to declare his faith in “her God” and same time be baptised. Or is this not a miracle in your eyes? Stop being so foolish, you put God in a box, doing everything to “understand” how His mind work and how He moves and when. In it all not realising that if you can understand God, He won’t be God anymore, you will! Oh, I forgot, many sidelines of the new movements actually teach that we are little gods! I prefer the (old time, plain +) pure faith, in Jesus Christ as Lord and believing the Scripture as it is in my hand.
for all those who keep hammering on us judging people, please read this Scripture (and there are others too):

1 Corinthians 5:12-13 (New International Version)
12What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.” and

1 Corinthians 6:2
Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases?
and yes, I’ve read all the scripture on don’t judge, but then it also says “do judge” (my own words).

DTW, keep standing! cecilia


Well, I appreciate very much that you are trying to warn the church about these heretics. I cannot believe it, that when you point out truth, people just will not accept it, but instead keep blindly supporting false teachers! Sigh.

Keep contending, and may the Lord bless you and help you to continue without discouragement.



Also just wanted to thank you for bringing this to light. I agree with your comments and pray that the Holy Spirit will bring revelation to our other Brothers and Sisters in Christ. Jesus said, let no one deceive you. I’m a firm believer that we are living in end times and that we will experience an increasing attach in our Churches, especially by False prophets & teachers.

Thanks for your dedication and for spreading the truth!!!


Wesley Inglis

I am in the battle of my life with my family over this false doctrine. My family joined a church in National City that seemed innocent enough. Then the prosperity gospel abounded. They have even linked up with Joel Osteen, TD Jakes and Ed Young. I have listened to several sermons from Sergio De La Mora of Cornerstone Church of San Diego and the misuse of scripture in every sermon astounds me. How can no one hold him accountable for this!. My family invited me to a weekend event that was only about how to be a millionaire then a heretical healer Tim Storey did false healings. It was a sad event. My best guess is about $100,000 that day from people believing they would get a blessing ten fold what they gave. I spoke out to my family even wrote a letter describing in detail the misuse of scripture. This only creating anger from my family. They will not speak to me. This is typical of the result of a cult. I love my family and will hold firm to the Word of God. I pray they will listen to what is being preached and soon the scales will fall of thier eyes and realize they are being fed lies every Sunday. Prosperity Gospel and those seeking to get rich in money and not God is taking the American Church down. Please pray hard, time is short this is close to the end my friends

Elmarie A


I can also identify with your problem. Also with family. It rips open my heart.

Thinking of you to.



Chris Rosebrough at Fighting for the Faith did a program on Ed Young including a sermon review. It is not good. And still the congregation applaud him. Please listen to it. You have no option but to pray.


Whoever published this blog is incredibly insane!!
You should stop judging the Men of God because U WILL BE JUDGED by the Him above oneday soon!
I suggest you keep your nasty comments to yourself, rather than post sh!t like this. U seem to be a very bitter person…probably a satanist too…will pray for u.

Elmarie A


You should stop judging the Men of God because U WILL BE JUDGED by the Him above oneday soon!

“Should Christians judge the teachings of their leaders?”

Answer: As Christians, we are commanded against following teachers blindly, but are told rather to “Test everything; hold on to the good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21). The apostle Peter warns us in 2 Peter 2:1-3 that there will be false teachers in our day just as there were false teachers in his day. Among their false teachings is a denial of the sufficiency of the sacrifice of Christ on the cross to take away sin, which is a common theme among cultists today. Another characteristic of false teachers is the greed which motivates them in everything they do. Paul offers a similar warning to the Ephesian elders in Acts 20:29-31, calling the false teachers “savage wolves” who mercilessly attempt to destroy the faith of the sheep and draw them away from the Shepherd. Paul warned them continually, pleading with them night and day to be on their guard against such deceivers.

From these passages, we see clearly that we are to distinguish between true and false teachers. How then are we to do that? First, as Paul instructs the Ephesians, we are to “no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming” (Ephesians 4:14). Rather, we are to “become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ” and we do this by “the knowledge of the Son of God” (v. 13). The knowledge of Christ can only be obtained through the Word of God, and it is by that Word that we distinguish between the true and the false.

In Matthew 7:15-20, Jesus offers some critical advice in discerning who is a false prophet: “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruits you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruits you will recognize them.” Plainly stated, is the teacher’s life marked by a progressive conformity to the likeness of Christ? Is the teacher bearing the fruits of the Spirit? Just as only good trees produce good fruit, so do only true teachers of Christ display the fruit of the Spirit—love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control (Galatians 5:22-23), whereas false prophets and teachers display the acts of their sinful natures (Galatians 5:19-22). By these fruits, we recognize true and false teachers.

Secondly, does the teaching that is being presented conform to the message as proclaimed by the early church and the Apostles? As Paul writes to the church in Galatia: “I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!” These are harsh words indeed that Paul has for the false teachers, but eternal condemnation is what they store up for themselves until the day of God’s wrath (Romans 2:5-6).

The apostle John tells us in his first epistle (1 John 4:1-6) how we are to discern which spirits are from God. “Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.”

It is of utmost importance that Christians are well-grounded in the Scriptures so that they are able to discern which teachers speak from God and which are false in their proclamation. Only then can we reject what is false and “hold on to the good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21).


Elmarie A


I suggest you keep your nasty comments to yourself, rather than post sh!t like this.
U seem to be a very bitter person…probably a satanist too…will pray for u.

Yikes how can you cuss and want o pray? The is not Biblical you know??

“Is it a sin to cuss / swear / curse?”

Answer: It is definitely a sin to swear (curse, cuss, etc.). The Bible makes this abundantly clear. Ephesians 4:29 tells us, “Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.”
First Peter 3:10 declares, “For, whoever would love life and see good days must keep his tongue from evil and his lips from deceitful speech.” James 3:9-12 summarizes the issue: “With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God’s likeness. Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers, this should not be. Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring? My brothers, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water.”

James makes it clear that the lives of Christians—the “brothers”—should not be characterized by evil speech. By making the analogy of both salt water and fresh water coming from the same spring (which is uncharacteristic of springs), he makes the point that it is uncharacteristic for a believer to have both praise and cursing come from his/her mouth. Nor is it characteristic for us to praise God on one hand and curse our brothers on the other. This, too, is uncharacteristic of a true believer.

Jesus explained that what comes out of our mouths is that which fills our hearts. Sooner or later, the evil in the heart comes out through the mouth in curses and swearing. But when our hearts are filled with the goodness of God, praise for Him and love for others will pour forth. Our speech will always indicate what is in our hearts. “The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks” (Luke 6:45).

Why is it a sin to cuss / swear / curse? Sin is a condition of the heart, the mind, and “the inner man” (Romans 7:22), which is manifested in our thoughts, actions and words. When we swear and curse, we are giving evidence of the polluting sin in our hearts that must be confessed and repented of. Thankfully, our great God is “faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9). When this happens, we receive a new nature from God (2 Corinthians 5:17), our hearts are transformed, and our speech reflects the new nature God has created within us.



Do you think God’s judgment is to be feared and why?


Joseph prince is that a stage name?????????


The Saga continues, now Ray and Zelda divorced are back together, after his surgery he asked her to move back home into his house, his room, and his bed, Rhema board fired him but At Boshoff of CRC Bloemfontein prevailed and Rsy was reinstated as long as he never contacted Zelda again, that lasted 1day and he was on her again.

The church is having to lay off dozens of low paid workers and some have taken a package, Rays brother Alan has resigned from the board, it seems one McCauley has some integrity, the poor go while Ray gets around R450,000 a month package.

How do I know all tis and much much more? Because Rays staff hate him and talk and tell everything, ten minutes after the Pastors were told about Ray and Zelda radio 702 called to find out what was going on.

It’s time to go Ray do it quickly, do it now, stop bringing shame on the church.


If Joel Osteen, Ed Young Jr and T.D. Jakes are not Wolves in Sheep’s Clothing than I guess God was lying then.
and we all know that God would NEVER lie.

It AMAZES me that other Christians would rather defend these Charlatans then defend the one who shed his very blood for you.

Just because the three “Pastors” I mention above APPEAR to be God Fearing, Following The Lord, Preaching scripture men does NOT mean that they are. Just because someone stand behind a pulpit does not mean that they are Christians.

All three (Ed, Joel, T.D.) preach a false gospel. You will never hear them preach the Full gospel because if they did their “churches” would empty in no time flat.

All three absolutely do not deserve to be considered a “Preacher”.
They are Wolves waiting to devour Sheep.

Pope Paul

He should have been jail a long time ago!!!, the money mad bastard. I will never forget meeting him at Margate airfield, where I had just hangered my aircraft. He then arrived in his Beachcraft Baron, well, I have never met a more disgusting man than him!!!!He was so demanding and rude, as if everyone should worship HIM!!!

He used to smash peoples faces in for a living, nevermind his body building career???

He was exposed for his false faith healing, now divoiced twice, and his followers still support him. Now I wonder, how insecure some humans are?????, What are they thinking?

There is no difference between David Koresh, John Jones, Adolf Hitler, Mossolini, Starlin, etc.

He just has’nt killed anyone yet, but he has taken all thier money, and given nothing back!!

Friend of Jesus

Some of this discussion is startling.

It’s been some 20+ years since ‘An Open Letter to Ray McCauley’ and ‘An Update On An Open Letter…’ were published in SA by ‘Truth Ministries’ (not the present SA one).

Has it been forgotten that McCauley’s JDS teachings (denial of the Blood Atonement & Deity of the Lord Jesus) were presented from his own materials – yes, all in context? Has it been forgotten that after his fake ‘repentance’ he lied and claimed to get rid of all those materials, yet continued selling them?

(For those who read the Letters you may recall that his slapdash ‘statement of repentance’ was sent to ‘Present Truth Ministries’ – an indication that his JDS ‘truth’ would prevail, and that he had the author, whose motive was to lead him to The Truth and protect the Body Of Christ from what McCauley had hidden/taught inside Rhema for years (while pretending to be a True Believer to all outside) arrested after that ‘repentance’.)

Can we then expect that his continued association with Osteen et al is anything other than an indication that he has contiued to hide his own true ‘faith’ and is using others as the means to propogate the false doctrines while he appears to be ‘leading people to Christ’?

After his sad second divorce, heart attack, and his son’s request for people to give him money ‘to bail his father out of debt’ as a gift for his 60th birthday.

It is difficult not to see the Hand of God in his fall.


Hi Debs, when I click on “At Boshoff – CRC” I find Joel Osteen, Ray Mc Cauly and Angus there is nothing about At and CRC.

Could you please check.


1 2 3
Would love your thoughts, please comment.x