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Latter Rain – Taking Dominion with another Gospel another Christ

Latter Rain - Taking Dominion with another Gospel another Christ

latter rainPlease read the below…  I know a lot of good people caught up in this, thinking that what these ‘pastors’ are preaching is ok and they can’t see any harm in it.  They can’t see any harm in it because the scriptures quoted by these ‘pastors’ sounds ok, logical and scriptural as well.  They think because scripture was used to back it up, it must be true and why would a pastor of all people twist scripture or lie – he is a man of God, surely?  And they believe all this to be true because they don’t study the bible and weigh and test the spirits to make sure they are not being spoon fed another religion, one that is paving the way for the antiChrist’s grand entrance.

We who believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, i.e., ‘the old way’ will be persecuted by these ‘pastors’ and their followers because we refuse to accept the ‘move into the supernatural’ and their ‘new wineskin’.  Are you going to be the persecutor or the persecuted?  Are you going to follow these evil men and their new ‘Christ’ or are you going to follow Jesus Christ?

There are so many supposed men/women of God who believe in taking Dominion – in fact there are so many, that when I tried to make a list of all the names of well known ministers, I had to stop at 400 names, because I realised that I would either run out of paper or ink in my pen before I ran out of names.  Some call it by this name ‘Dominionism /Kingdom Now’ etc., others don’t use this terminology at all and subtly preach it to their congregation without them realising it.  Todd Bentley’s mentor and ‘spiritual father’ is none other than Bob Jones but later after Bentley’s dramatic ungodly exist from ministering, Rick Joyner took him under his wing as mentor, they are however all linked to C. Peter Wagner, Head Apostle of the New Apostolic Reformation – one of the masterminds behind this GREAT deception.   (Bob Jones is not to be confused with Bob Jones III of Bob Jones University)

Todd Bentley said during the Lakeland (false Revival),

“I told the Lord why can’t I just move in healing and forget talking about all that other stuff?”
“Because, Todd, you have to get the people to believe in the angel.”
“I said, God, why do I want people to believe in the angel?”
“Isn’t it about getting people to believe in Jesus?”
“He said, the people already believe in Jesus, but the church doesn’t believe in the supernatural.”

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DTW Note:  Regarding watchpair.com;  I DO NOT AGREE with everything written on their website and warn people to be very careful when going to their website as their do preach some very strange teachings.  However this article is very very good!

THE LATTER RAIN REVIVAL

By Barbara Aho

Modern Prophets have received “new revelations” of the end-time which, until now, have not been understood by the Church.  Truly, a “New Breed” of Apostles and Prophets is being raised up who will assume their end-time role of leading the Church to take dominion and to execute God’s judgments in the world. Vineyard Ministries Apostle, Jack Deere, believes that the two witnesses in Revelation 11 may very well be Kansas City Prophets, Paul Cain and Bob Jones.(1)  Says Paul Cain:

“God is raising up a new standard, a new banner if you will, that’s going to radically change the expression, the understanding of Christianity in our generation…God has invited us to have a role in establishing this NEW ORDER of Christianity…God is offering to this generation something He has never offered to any other generation… Beware lest OLD ORDER brethren rob you and steal this hope from you!(2)

Bob Jones has received special revelation about this new hope:

“I have called the best of every blood line in earth unto this generation…I have elected to bring them forth in this generation…THE ELECT GENERATION …even the bloodline of Paul…of David…of Peter, James and John…They will even be superior to them in heart, stature and love for me’…Your children will possess the spirit without measure…They will move into things of the supernatural that no one has ever moved in before…coming into the DIVINE NATURE of Jesus Christ…a Church that has reached the full maturity of the GODMAN! This generation…is going to see the beginning of this WORLD WIDE NEW ORDER.”(3)

Are you having difficulty discerning or receiving this “new revelation”? Then perhaps you have been interpreting your Bible in the “old way” — comparing Scripture with Scripture, studying diligently to account for every jot and tittle and being careful to rightly divide the Word of truth.  If this describes you, then you belong to the “Old Generation” which will not enter in to “possess the land” in the Latter Rain Revival.  You may even be a member of a denominational church with its dogmatic confession of faith and statement of doctrine. These legalistic forms will be relics of the past in the up and coming “Postdenominational Church.”  Paul Cain advises that you “dump all that carnal stuff” (doctrine) and listen to what the “spirit” is saying to the churches through the Latter Rain Prophets and Apostles, who are dispensing many “new, sacred truths.”

Now, back to your Bible study.  In your Bible you will want to change the book of “The Revelation of Jesus Christ” to “The Manifestation of the Sons of God.”  That’s right, we are not to be looking for the “coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering unto Him.”  Nope. That would be an “escapist mentality” to be repented of at once if we would be Overcomers.  Instead, we should be looking forward to the glorification of the Corporate Church, which will become perfect and immortal here on earth before the Second Coming.  In fact, as Jesus comes “spiritually and invisibly” to His Church, He will actually “incarnate” the Corporate Body and reveal Himself to the world through miraculous signs and wonders performed by the “Manifest Sons of God.”

This great end-time Company is really the “Manchild” of Revelation 12 which will rule the nations with a rod of iron.  (You will need to replace Israel with the Church in this passage.)  Yes, this end-time Church is also the prophetic fulfillment of the dreadful army in Joel 2, which is God’s agent of judgment to cleanse the earth of evil during the “times of restitution.”  (You will find this army also in Revelation 9!)  Since the Manifest Sons of God are “the Christ,” they will be putting all things under their (oops!) His feet, including the “old order” brethren.

Are you wondering by what authority the modern Prophets and Apostles presume to confer this Divine Right upon themselves and their followers? Not to worry! Paul Crouch, President of Trinity Broadcasting Network, has provided the following exegesis of Jesus’ parable:

“Read the parable of the Wheat and the Tares in Matthew 13:24-30 and you will see that at the end of this age the “ANGELS” are sent forth to remove evil from the earth.  That word “ANGELS” also means messengers.  So God may use some of us to finish up the work of this age.”(4)

Those who would be chosen as the elect Manifest Sons of God by the modern Apostles and Prophets, must first repent of their old divisive attitude of separation from error.  Christ cannot incarnate a divided church and for this reason we will need to be delivered from our narrow doctrinal point of view and join the ecumenical crowd on the Broad Way.  It matters not that the blood of the martyrs was shed contending for the faith that was once delivered to the saints. Those who persist in being contentious about doctrine may join them when the great “revival” arrives circa A.D. 2000.

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Over 50 years ago, William Branham, George Warnock, Paul Cain and others attempted to introduce Latter Rain/Manifest Sons of God teachings into the Pentecostal movement. In 1949, however, the Assemblies of God officially rejected the Latter Rain/ Manifest Sons of God doctrine as “heresy.” The cult went underground but surfaced again in the 1960’s as the Manchild Company. Disregarding the Assemblies of God decision, Paul Cain, the Kansas City Prophets and Vineyard Ministries have subsequently reintroduced and successfully established this false doctrine in the Pentecostal churches.

The Latter Rain/Manifest Sons of God doctrine “involved a man-child elite group of Overcomers taking dominion over all nations and reigning in the heavenlies while overseeing drastic judgment on all who remained in the ‘old generation’ — i.e., the denominational churches! The Latter-Rain teachings promised a Second Pentecost outpouring to empower this elite group, and to incarnate the Christ within them to the degree that they will become perfect and invincible, even to the overthrow of heavenly powers.”(5)

Today, few recall the controversy surrounding Latter Rain/Manifest Sons of God doctrines fifty years ago and their repudiation by the Church. Of necessity, they are now camouflaged and Christians must have an accurate understanding of Scripture to discern these counterfeit winds of doctrine. Charismatic churches are well-established in Latter Rain doctrine and Evangelical churches are currently being indoctrinated via numerous parachurch organizations and movements. Latter Rain teachings include: Kingdom Now/Dominion Theology, Progressive Revelation, Revival/Harvest, Joel’s Army, Replacement Theology, Post-Millennial Eschatology, Signs and Wonders, Territorial Warfare, Ecumenism, Restoration of Apostles and Prophets, Jubilee/Feast of Tabernacles, and the Post-denominational Church.

GNOSTICISM

Latter Rain doctrine is a modern version of the classic heresy of Gnosticism, which taught that a spiritual elite possessed “hidden knowledge” of the divine realm which placed their personal revelations, spiritual experiences, and private interpretation of Scripture above the ordinary revelation of God’s Word. In Latter Rain doctrine, Pentecost was the “former rain” or outpouring of the Holy Spirit and the Church must yet receive a second Holy Spirit visitation. At this time, the Sons of God will be glorified and manifested to all as they establish the Kingdom on earth before Jesus Christ returns bodily. Latter Rain prophets are now preparing multitudes for this transformation. In a 1991 program entitled “Manifested Sons of God,” Morris Cerullo flattered his audience with the following blasphemy,

“You represent all that God is and all that God has…Jesus was the visible expression of God. Jesus was the Son of the Living God. Now, who are you? Sons of God…everyone say it. What is working inside of us is the manifestation. When you look at me, you are looking at Jesus…To see Jesus was to see God. To see me is to see Jesus. Jesus knew who He was. Don’t you think it is about time we know who we are?”(6)

Benny Hinn fills convention centers worldwide preaching a similar message, which exalts the creature rather than the Creator, and induces spiritual pride:

“This spirit-man within me is a God-man. Say after me, he’s born of heaven, he’s a super-being…Say I’m born of heaven – God-man. I’m a God-man. I’m a sample of Jesus. I’m a super being. Say it! Say it! Who’s a super being? I walk in the realm of the supernatural. Get the spirit-man renewed…when he’s strong, he’ll hold off sickness…you want to prosper? Money will be falling on you from left, right and center. God will begin to prosper you, for money always follows righteousness…Say after me, I hold my destiny.”(7)

Thus, whole congregations are bewitched with the prospect of unleashing their potential as ‘Godmen’ in the approaching “Latter Rain Revival.” This predicted restoration is an outgrowth of Replacement Theology which appropriates to the Church the promises of restoration which God gave to Israel, specifically Joel 2:23 and Hosea 6:3. James 5:7 simply states that the Church must patiently wait for the coming of the Lord as the husbandman waits for the “latter rain” to receive the full harvest. The saints will then reign with Christ, as seen in Revelation 19. Neither Daniel, Matthew 24, Thessalonians nor Revelation mention a great Christian revival, but characterize the period before the Second Coming as a perilous time of great deception, paganism, apostasy from the faith and persecution of the saints.

In I John 4:1-3, Christians are enjoined to “believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.” However, there is a common theme in many of the new revelations that those who resist the “new move of God” as unscriptural are lukewarm, immature or even divisive members of the Body. The following prophecy by Gwen Shaw, President of End-Time Handmaidens, is typical of this attitude:

“If you can’t think in a new way, if you can’t accept what I am going to do, you will burst. You will not be able to accept the expansion of this new wine. This new wine shall cause many to expand in their understanding of the ways of God. Because some are not equipped, and some are not prepared, and because of their indifference and their critical spirit, their wineskins shall burst.”(8)

Those in authority who indiscriminately censure believers for questioning new revelations are interfering with an important step in the biblical process of testing prophecy. Yet throughout the Latter Rain move, leaders have scarcely, if at all, encouraged the church to be like the noble Bereans in Acts 17 who “searched the Scriptures daily, whether those things were so.” Rather, they commonly protest that any objection to the new revelations is of a judgmental spirit or a personal attack on the prophets. These rash assumptions prevent all honest discussion concerning the doctrinal bases for assumed “new” revelations. Paul Cain even advised his audience to wait until they get to heaven to examine his exposition of the ‘Manchild Company,’ which would never stand the test of Scripture:

“…I know some of you are going to disagree with this. Don’t you even stop to disagree. Revelation 12:5. If you disagree, just file it in ‘miscellaneous’ and check it out. And don’t bother with it; when we get to heaven we’ll check it out and you’ll find out I’m right…”(9)

NEW AGE PARALLELS

However inconsistent it may be with the Word of God, Latter Rain/Manifest Sons of God eschatology agrees on every point with the New Age Movement’s anticipation of the exaltation of mankind to godhood and the establishment of a New World Order. The following appraisal of Latter Rain theology by New Age Unity pastor, Rev. Earnest Ramsey was cited in Constance Cumbey’s book, A Planned Deception, The Staging of a New Age Messiah,

“Rev. Ernest Ramsey, an associate pastor at Unity’s Kansas City’s Founder’s Church, Unity on the Plaza, is an enthusiastic follower of the Alice Bailey and Benjamin Creme teachings. In his Research Report #2, he tells of something he was led to by a spirit guide – what he terms ‘Neo-Pentecostalism.’ An aberrant branch of Pentecostalism, this is more commonly known as the ‘Manifest Sons of God.’ That movement is also referred to as ‘Sonship’ or ‘Overcomers.’ Ramsey concludes based on even less evidence than I have personally collected that this is part of the New Age Movement.

“Ramsey’s work for his organization, ‘Synthesis Fellowship,’ first came to my attention in early 1983. His major report, entitled “An Evolutionary Basis For The Reappearance of the Christ and his Executives, the Masters of Wisdom” was inspired by Benjamin Creme’s appearance and speech at Unity on the Plaza in Kansas City, Missouri. . . The most interesting section of Ramsey’s report dealt with ‘Neo-Pentecostalism.’ Ramsey spent a semester at one of the Neo-Pentecostal or Manifest Sons of God seminaries (in upstate New York). . . Already familiar with the Alice Bailey writings, he was amazed to see that there was a branch of Pentecostalism that embraced the same teachings — albeit using sometimes different terminology.

“Like those seeking the ‘Age of Aquarius’ these people too were seeking a ‘New Age.’ Like the other New Agers, these people taught that ‘The Christ’ was an anointing – not necessarily one man. They taught that Jesus was a pattern son who was to be a sign of something even greater to come – the ‘Manifestation of the Sons of God.’ They too believed the earth was to be cleansed of evil. And chillingly like the other New Agers, they believed they were to be ‘God’s’ instruments to do such cleansing. The New Agers believed they were gods. The Manifest Sons of God likewise taught that if one accepted their ‘new revelation’ that they themselves would actually become Christ at the time of the unveiling or manifestation of the Sons of God.”(10)

Other prominent New Age leaders have openly expressed the intention of their movement to infiltrate the Christian Church in order to introduce their esoteric teachings and to “draw away disciples after themselves.” In The Unfinished Animal: The Aquarian Frontier and the Evolution of Consciousness, Theodore Rosak revealed that, “Charismatic congregations in main-line churches are entry points into the Aquarian frontier.”(11) Alice Bailey, Theosophist and mother of the modern New Age Movement, revealed an ingenious plan in her 1957 volume, The Externalisation of the Hierarchy. Cabalist agents would infiltrate the Christian Church to modify its message, while adapting it as a vehicle for the Universal Religion of the 21st Century.

“…The church movement, like all else, is but a temporary expedient and serves but a transient resting place for the evolving life. Eventually, there will appear the Church Universal, and its definite outlines will appear towards the close of this century… This Church will be nurtured into activity by the Christ and His disciples when the outpouring of the Christ principle, the TRUE second Coming has been accomplished… the Christian church in its many branches can serve as a nucleus through which world illumination may be accomplished… the church as a teaching factor should take the great basic doctrines and (shattering the old forms in which they are expressed and held) show their true and inner spiritual significance. The prime work of the church is to teach, and teach ceaselessly, preserving the outer appearance in order to reach the many who are accustomed to church usages. Teachers must be trained; Bible knowledge must be spread; the sacraments must be mystically interpreted, and the power of the church to heal must be demonstrated.”(12) (Italics added)

ANOTHER PENTECOST?

In Latter Rain doctrine, paramount emphasis is placed on the proposed Year of Jubilee A.D. 2000, when all nations and a “united” Church will celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. The prophetic fulfillment of this Feast is said to occur prior to the return of Christ. Latter Rain prophets claim that this will also be a “Second Pentecost,” since the first was ‘incomplete.’ Christ will then appear in the midst of His people and be incarnated in his Body, filling the Corporate “Christ” with His glory, which will then be poured out on all flesh.

“There is another realm of spiritual experience typified in scripture by the Feast of Tabernacles. Until we understand and partake of this feast, as we have both Passover and Pentecost, we will never fulfill our destiny and calling. We must discover the meaning of the Feast of Tabernacles and ‘celebrate’ it along with Passover and Pentecost…What God did among Jews in Jerusalem, He is going to do among humanity and worldwide. Pentecost will come to maturity in the feast of Tabernacles.”(13)

This Latter Rain “Second Pentecost” during Tabernacles is suggestive of the “Planetary Pentecost” preached by Barbara Marx Hubbard as the peaceful “alternative to Armageddon.” At this time, a “quantum leap” in the evolution of mankind will occur as revealed to her by “the Christ”: “At the moment of cosmic contact, I will appear to you both through inner experience and through external communication on your mass media.” Says Ms. Hubbard, it will be a time when “the divisions of the religions would be over…We would each know that God is within us…If all who feel we are connected to each other, to nature and to God join in a planetary Pentecost, we shall be transformed in this lifetime. I believe in the peaceful second Coming.”(14) Earnest Ramsey perceived virtually no difference at all between the New Age Tabernacles/Year of Jubilee and the Latter Rain interpretation of these celebrations.

“Ernest Ramsey excitedly pointed out in his report that [the Manifest Sons] had a teaching which indeed did parallel the Aquarian teaching of the Age of Aquarius — the Old Testament ‘Year of Jubilee’ as well as the ‘Feast of Tabernacles.’ The Year of Jubilee paralleled the redistribution of the world’s wealth. The Feast of Tabernacles was the equivalent of the coming together of the World’s peoples and varied religions under one tent or tabernacle — the equivalent of the New Agers’ long-awaited ‘New World Religion.'”(15)

Coincidental with the Latter Rain/New Age agenda to celebrate Tabernacles in the proposed Year of Jubilee, the Vatican Central Committee is coordinating with other Catholic Rites and church conferences, such as Episcopal, Anglican Communion, World Lutheran Federation, World Reformed Alliance, Methodist World Council, the World Council of Churches for a celebration of the Great Jubilee “which will take place simultaneously in the Holy Land, in Rome and in the local Churches throughout the world.”(16) In ancient Israel, the 50 year Jubilee celebration freed all slaves, canceled all debts, and restored properties to the original owners. Pope John Paul II, New Age/New World Order planners and Pat Robertson (17) of the Christian Broadcasting Network have all called for the worldwide redistribution of wealth and cancellation of debt in 2000 A.D.–severe measures that would precipitate the collapse of secular economies which have not planned for this adjustment.

Concurrent with Rome’s initiative, International Christian Embassy Jerusalem is promoting “Taste of Tabernacles” celebrations in Christian churches and parachurch ministries worldwide. Johann Luckhoff, Director of ICEJ, was invited by New Age advocate, Jay Gary, to speak at the ecumenical A.D. 2000 Global Conference on World Evangelism in Seoul, South Korea in 1989. Says Luckoff, “One of the reasons I was invited to Korea was because the organizers of the GCOWE hope to have the next gathering in Jerusalem at the end of the millennium. That should be quite an event.” George Warnock would agree. In 1951, Warnock forged a definitive doctrine for the Latter Rain Movement in his book, The Feast of Tabernacles, and specifically noted that the “Christ should visit the saints…and minister his life ‘in secret’ before He is openly manifest.”(18)

Zechariah 14:16 states that the nations will go to Jerusalem annually to worship the King and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles, after the return of Jesus Christ. Which “Christ” will the Latter Rain prophets worship?

“We must not miss this point: the replacement theology of the Manifest Sons of the Latter Rain, which New Ager Ramsey called ‘Neo-Pentecostalism,’ has brought the Age of Aquarius into the Church under the guise of the Feast of Tabernacles and the Year of Jubilee.”(19)

NEW REVELATION

To defend their unbiblical exposition of many doctrines, Latter Rain prophets and apostles claim that “new” teachings, prophecies and interpretations of Scripture are progressively being unveiled which have heretofore not been revealed to the Church. Even though such visions, prophecies and revelations are unsupported by the Word of God, they are nonetheless canonized as doctrine because they were accompanied by spiritual experiences. However, Hebrews 1:1,2 states, “God who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son.” Since Jesus Christ is the Word of God, I Corinthians 14:29 contains the provision that all prophecy in the church be tested and judged by its conformity to Scripture. Isaiah 8:20 declares, “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.”

In 1993, Charismatic Pastor John Hinkle prophesied nationally that on Thursday, June 9, God would remove the evil from the earth. That this was a false prophecy should have been apparent to believers from the beginning, for Scripture is clear that evil will not only remain in the world, but will increase before Jesus Christ returns. Deuteronomy 18:22 states, “When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously.” False prophets in Israel were to be stoned. Mercifully, the church is to judge prophets and reject those who do not speak according to sound doctrine or whose word is not specifically fulfilled. However, Christian leaders did not reject Hinkle’s prophecy as false but dissembled, claiming that an earthquake in South America or unknown event in the invisible realm fulfilled its conditions. Could not the latter rationalization be made for all prophecies that default?

“New” revelations extend beyond the parameters of God’s Word and give opportunity for false teachings to be introduced to the Church. The mischief that ensues from the acceptance of false prophecy is considerable. The transition from John Hinkle’s prophecy to Paul Crouch’s outrageous statement that Christians will soon remove the tares from the wheat was subtle. We have yet to see the damage that will result from Pat Robertson’s astonishing claim in a 1984 televised sermon that, “God spoke through a word of prophecy in May 1968, and said, ‘I have chosen you to usher in the coming of My Son.’”(20) Robertson also announced then that the Christian Broadcasting Network will provide worldwide coverage of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ from the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem.

Which “coming” is precarious, for it seems that more than one “Christ” is presently expected to return. One researcher has pondered Pat Robertson’s prophecy:

“I can’t see any way out of his cameras melting if he attempted such a thing with the true coming. II Thessalonians 1:7,8 describes that extraordinary day, ‘…when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire.’ II Peter 3:10 states, ‘But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.’”(21)

It is unlikely that Pat Robertson will televise the Lord Jesus Christ in His glorious return from heaven. Perchance it may be “that Wicked One, even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders.”

ANOTHER CHRIST

New Agers have studied Bible prophecy carefully, especially Matthew 24, and have documented plans to technically stage a “Second Coming,” which would be acceptable to Christians, New Agers, et al. David Bay, Director of Old Paths Ministries, says that these plans have been published in a book entitled, The Armageddon Script, by New Age leader Peter LeMesurier. However, before that event, there will be another supernatural, psychic occurrence:

“Pope John Paul II is anxiously awaiting a potent world-wide Marian Vision. (World) chaos is to precede this vision. This vision will validate the global reign of Pope John Paul II and will establish him as the ultimate spiritual Judge of the Planet… the purpose of this super-natural vision is to validate the Roman Catholic church as the only true church and this Pope as God’s ordained leader.’…According to Vatican official, Malachi Martin, author of The Keys of This Blood, this event will be most powerfully psychic. The force accompanying this vision will be so powerful it will literally bring the normal activity of the world to a standstill. Men will be so moved that their ‘consciences will cry out with fear.’ This vision will produce an ‘engulfing chaos, along with misdirection, and disequilibruim in human affairs. In other words, the entire population of the world will experience a simultaneous changing of their minds…The vision will be preceded by either a loud sound, a bright light…

“These effects are identical to those which New Age writers have predicted during the appearance of Anti-Christ… (1) A loud sound will be heard world-wide which will herald the coming of Maitreya, the Christ. Prompted by this sound, people will be aware of his coming on three distinct levels: Spiritual, physical, and emotional. (Alice Bailey’s The Externalisation Of The Hierarchy, p. 173.) (2) ‘…When Lord Maitreya appears, he will appear as different beings to different people… Thus, he will show that he is all things to all people.’ (Bill Lambert, speaking at Seminar, ‘Possible and Probable Events In The Future,’ Theosophical Society, Boston, Massachusetts, August 8, 1991). (3) His three-dimensional image will appear over all nations of the earth simultaneously. He will speak to each ethnic group in their own language. We know this is technologically possible with computer images via telecommunication satellite. (Constance Cumbey, Hidden Dangers Of The Rainbow, p. 24-25).

“We also know that Satan could produce this phenomenon by his Super-Natural power alone. New Age writers clearly state, however, there will be a mixing of super-natural phenomena and advanced technology when the staging of the Anti-Christ occurs… New Age Leaders boldly state in their Plan to use the special effects of modern TV and movies to persuade the people of the world that Maitreya is who he claims to be. ‘…the use of such special effects should not be ruled out on this occasion. The world’s news-media can be counted upon to do the rest.’ (The Armageddon Script, Peter Lemesurier, St. Martin’s Press, 1981, p. 236) The New Age book, The Messianic Legacy, states that the only way the Messiah could be super-naturally staged in all aspects that Christians are expecting would be through the use of “Hollywood.”(22)

True believers will meet the Lord “in the air” (not on earth) and He will return with them to earth, not as a “peacemaker,” but to destroy the nations gathered at Armageddon. The unthinkable will become “religiously correct” when Evangelical and Charismatic shepherds lead an apostate Church in the worship of a false Christ. Revelation 13:15 further states that, “as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.”

JOEL’S ARMY

In view of this prospect, an alarming “new revelation” taught by the modern prophets is that the end-time Church is God’s army in Joel 2, which will judge the Old Order and bring in the Kingdom. In Prophecy Today, Clifford Hill explained, “This teaching is part of what is known as ‘dominion theology’ which teaches that an elite army of ‘overcomers’ will either destroy or subdue all the enemies of Christ until they eventually gain power and authority throughout the world. The government of the nations will be upon their shoulders and when all the secular authorities, governments, princes and kings have finally submitted to them, Christ will return and they will present the kingdom to him.”(23) According to Rick Joyner, Christianity must be destabilized and redefined by modern apostles, prophets, etc. to finalize Alice Bailey’s plan to “take the great basic doctrines and shatter the old forms in which they are expressed and held.”(24)

“What is about to come upon the earth is not just a revival, or another awakening; it is a veritable revolution. The vision was given in order to begin to awaken those who are destined to radically change the course, and even the very definition of Christianity. The dismantling of organizations and disbanding of some works will be a positive and exhilarating experience for the Lord’s faithful servants. A great company of prophets, teachers, pastors and apostles will be raised up with the spirit of Phineas…”(25)

To sanctify this Machiavellian plot, Jack Deere recasts Joel 2 in the context of Ezekiel 9: “When this army comes, He says it’s large and it’s mighty. It’s so mighty that there’s never been anything like it before…‘begin the slaughter and begin it in the temple and begin it with the elders, the leaders of my people.’ And they walk through the land and they start and they begin to slaughter and you know it’s already started with the biggest names in His household? He has already started the slaughter…and it is coming now among the Church.”(26) Vineyard pastors James Ryle (Promise Keepers), John Arnott and Wes Campbell (Toronto Blessing) and prophets Bob Jones and Rick Joyner all report visions of “a bloody civil war” in the Church:

“James Ryle has had a similar vision. The Lord even showed him how the blue coats stand for the revelatory, the revelation, and the grey for grey matter, man’s wisdom. And in this context the north fought the south and the south fought the north, and the south wanted to keep the people enslaved. They wanted their money. They wanted their keep the system going. And the north said ‘No! Freedom! Freedom!’ And they went into a terrible fight, and it was father against son, brother against brother, and a man’s enemies were in his own house. And the angel said this: ‘There won’t be a house that escapes weeping.’” (27)

Such prophecies do not edify the Church, but are inflammatory and undermine the true unity of believers for which Jesus prayed in John 17. Nevertheless, they give increased momentum to the program of New Age leaders such as Alice Bailey, who wrote, “The reorganization of the world’s religions…is for the new world religion.”(28) Barbara Marx Hubbard divulged the real reason for the New Age mission, “There is an anti-evolutionary cadre of orthodox believers who focus on the limits of this life and the unworthiness of human nature. Now they would destroy our capacity to transcend…”(29)

She and other New Age leaders have estimated “that for planetary transformation to take place, up to one quarter of the inhabitants of the earth will have to be excised like a cancer.” Given the animosity that has been generated by Latter Rain prophets toward Biblical Christianity and the affinity of this movement for warfare terminology, it is hard to resist the suspicion that the New Age/Latter Rain regime will be using a militant Church to accomplish this. Prophet Rick Joyner has even identified “Antichrist” as the traditional Church (30) and Jack Deere claims that modern prophets will execute the Tribulation judgments.

“You see why we’re excited about someone like Paul Cain or Bob Jones coming on the scene? Or others that we’ve met…you know those two powerful witnesses in Revelation 11:3? You know what – they are first and foremost? They are prophets. He said they will prophesy for 1,260 days. He’s going to end the last days just before His Son returns with a prophetic movement that will sweep the entire face of the earth and will eclipse anything we have ever seen before…the significance of these signs and wonders…But they don’t just happen on the earth. They come because they are prayed for and they are predicted by God’s people.”(31)

It would be unwise to nonchalantly dismiss these claims as idle braggadocio. Paul Cain, Bob Jones, Rick Joyner and other Latter Rain/Manifest Sons of God proponents have paranormal experiences on a regular basis and have demonstrated occult powers.

“Bob Jones (KFC’s resident seer) is a man who claims to have five to six visions and revelations per day. We are talking about a man who thought he was a backslider when two days went by without a visitation from Jesus…Paul Cain…is called the ‘Terror of the Lord’…and has exhibited the ability to tell people the details of their lives, hidden sins and even things they have said in confidence to others. There have been reports of earthquakes and other natural disasters predicted by him…(and) power surges of electricity at places where he ministers.” (32)

ANOTHER GOSPEL

False prophets preach “another gospel,” which is not the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. Vineyard scholar Jack Deere has even admitted that he is not sure of the true gospel. In an interview, Deere told Robert Dean of Biblical Perspectives, “I used to be like you…thinking the gospel was simply justification by faith.”(33) This spiritual advisor to John Wimber, late Director of Vineyard Ministries, added that the gospel would have to include works, such as healing and deliverance. This false gospel of works is leading a vast religious system into spiritual deception. Enchanted by signs and lying wonders and riding the ecumenical bandwagon, the Latter Rain/ Manifest Sons of God will be easily assimilated into the Mystery Religion revival foretold in Revelation 17. II Thessalonians 2:10-11 describes God’s judgment, which has already begun in this movement: “…because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.”

Gnostic doctrines are not a new revelations, as modern prophets tell us. Although they come in various expressions, they always contain the same lie the Serpent used to beguile Eve –“…then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods.” Neither are Gnostic doctrines the true Gospel of Jesus Christ, but rather the false gospel of the “King over all the children of pride.” This corrupt tree always bears evil fruit in the Church. “Gone is the understanding that we must be cross-bearers. The church now seeks adulation and quickly becomes a seed bed for pride, greed and power all under the guise of spiritual growth.”(34)

There are few today who are willing to take the low seat at the Wedding Feast. Often we must look to the message of older generations (of whom the world was not worthy) for inspiration to seek a better resurrection and an heavenly country. Amy Carmichael, missionary to India in the early 1900s, scorned the vain imaginations of a worldly Church and would not glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ. She wrote –

HAST THOU NO SCAR?

Hast thou no scar?
No hidden scar on foot, or side, or hand?
I hear thee sung as mighty in the land,
I hear them hail thy bright ascendant star,
Hast thou no scar?

Hast thou no wound?
Yet, I was wounded by the archers, spent.
Leaned me against the tree to die, and rent
By ravening beasts that compassed me, I swooned:
Hast thou no wound?

No wound? No scar?
Yet, as the Master shall the servant be,
And pierced are the feet that follow Me;
But thine are whole. Can he have followed far
Who has no wound nor scar?

Source:   http://watch.pair.com/rain.html


ENDNOTES
  • “Joel’s Army,” cassette tape, 1990, Vineyard Ministries.
  • Vineyard Prophecy Conference, 1989.
  • Ibid.
  • PTL Newsletter, March, 1994, Paul Crouch.
  • Looking Beyond Toronto, “The Source and Goal of the Second Pentecost,” Banner Ministries.
  • “Joel’s Army,” Discernment Ministries.
  • Ibid.
  • “End-Time Handmaidens Magazine,” Gwen Shaw, (P.O. Box 447, Jasper, AK 72641), June, 1995, p. 5.
  • Prophetic Power and Passion Conference, Paul Cain, Christ Chapel, Florence, Alabama, August, 1995.
  • Constance Cumbey, A Planned Deception, as cited in “Constance Cumbey’s New Age Monitor,” Aug.-Dec. 1987.
  • Theodore Rosak, Unfinished Animal: The Aquarian Frontier and the Evolution of Consciousness.
  • Alice Bailey, The Externalization of the Hierarchy, 1957.
  • “Beyond Pentecost,” Robin McMillan and Steve Thompson Morning Star Journal,” Vol. 4 No. 3, 1994, pp. 42-44, 48.
  • “National Catholic Reporter,” Oct. 19, 1990.
  • Constance Cumbey, A Planned Deception,(Pointe Publishers, Inc., East Detroit, Mich.), 1985.
  • “Cardinal Etchegaray Opens Meeting on Jubilee,” Vatican Information Service, Vatican City, February 15, 1996.
  • “Perspective,” Pat Robertson, January/February, 1981.
  • George Warnock, The Feast of Tabernacles, 1951, (Springfield, MO, Bill Britton), pp. 108.
  • “Apostasy and the Year 2000,” Year 2000: Tabernacles, Jubilee, Alabama Discernment Ministries.
  • Sermon on Satellite Network Seminar, Word of Faith Outreach Center, Dallas, TX, Dec. 9-12, 1984.
  • Alabama Discernment Ministries, July 27, 1996.
  • “Staged Appearance of Anti-Christ,” David Bay, Old Path Ministries, Grace Baptist Church, 35 Elizabeth St., Attleboro, MA 02703-2030
  • “Prophecy Today,” Vol. 7, No. 1 Eng.
  • “Kansas City Prophets,” Prophecy Today, Clifford Hill.
  • Rick Joyner, The Harvest.
  • It Sounds Like the Mother of All Battles, Jack Deere, VMI, Joel’s Army, 1990.
  • Toronto Airport Vineyard, James Ryle, 1994.
  • Alice Bailey, The Externalisation of the Hierarchy, pp.453-454.
  • “Spiritual Counterfeits Journal,” Volume 19:2/3, 1994, p. 47.
  • Weighed and Found Wanting, Bill Randles, p. 64.
  • “Joel’s Army,” op. cit.
  • Weighed and Found Wanting, pp. 94, 98.
  • “Biblical Perspectives,” Vol. III, No. 4, July-Aug, 1990.
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30 comments to Latter Rain – Taking Dominion with another Gospel another Christ

  • donna

    this is perhaps the best site I have ever run across that effectively explains and exposes the dominion heresy,
    for everyone reading this site, send it to a friend.
    On the top of your google toolbar there is a small microsoft icon, click it and it will directly go to your inbox if you have hotmail and this can be forwarded directly.
    Please pass this on, we have an obligation to expose this heresy and warn other believers.

  • donna

    false prophets are liars, false prophets are traitors, false prophets are devious wicked deceived phoneys all grasphing for power.
    they remind me of what satan tempted adam and eve in the garden “ye shall be as gods”.
    dominionists want to be God, they are not content to be “creatures”.

  • donna

    cindy jacobs has evil oozing from her eyes….they are full of darkness.

    Jesus said to the Pharisees “if your light be DARKNESS how great is that DARKNESS”?
    Cindy-how great is your darkness?

  • donna

    How can these false prophets teach such things when they have a Bible right in front of them?
    Some of them must know they are phoneys, wolves in sheep’s clothing..???

  • donna

    I didn’t know that the Gnostic gospel held the same lie “ye shall be as gods” but that is what came to my mind as I have been studying the heresy of dominion theology before I read this article.
    They want God’s power, God’s glory, God’s foreknowledge. But little do they understand that they CANNOT have His glory for He will not share it anyone, they cannot have His power, is that why the Word of Faith doctrine comes in, God spoke the worlds into being so these heretics think that they shall be as gods and therefore they too can “speak” things into being? Sure looks like that to me.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    donna

    You wont believe it, but ALL religions ultimately end up at the same lie, “ye shall be as gods”. In one way or another it’s interwoven into their doctrine. Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, The Vatican, New Age, Gnostic’s, you name it, that is where it’s all leading too – that is why all religions will so easily amalgamate because of this one single factor and Mary the Queen of Heaven is what will bring them all together.

  • donna

    I DETEST DOMINION THEOLOGY……IT IS THE VOMIT OF SATAN~!~!
    THOSE WHO LOVE LIFE ETERNAL WILL TURN AND RUN FROM THIS SPIRITUAL FILTH.
    IT IS MORE DANGEROUS THAN MORMONISM OR JEHOVAH WITNESSISM !~!~! IT IS EVEN MORE DANGEROUS THAN ISLAM BECAUSE THEY USE THE GENUINE SACRED…THE SCRIPTURES TO MAKE UP LIES.

  • donna

    LET US PICK A DAY WHEREBY WE BURN ALL DOMINION THEOLOGY BOOKS AND TRACTS AS WE WOULD BURN THE SATANIC BIBLE AND OTHER BOOKS AND WRITINGS OF WITCHCRAFT.(they did it in the book of Acts)
    I AM SERIOUS, WE NEED SET ASIDE A DAY DURING THE SUMMER OF EACH YEAR AND DEDICATE THAT DAY TO THE BURNING OF THESE DETESTABLE DOCTRINAL MATERIALS.
    AS THESE HERETICS PREACH THIS DUNG PUBLICALLY SO WE SHOULD REBUKE THEM PUBLICALLY BY BURNING THEIR BOOKS.

    THOSE WHO AGREE CAN EMAIL ME AT

    [email removed]

    I challenge all of you to come out into the open and stand for the truth. We need to let these heretics know that we will not stand by idly and let them shove this corruption down our throats~!~!!~ As Moses challenged the children of Israel I am challenging you.
    And futhermore we should capture these book burning events on video and post them to Youtube.~!~!

    I am openly hostile to these lying “prophets” and their lying mouths and I am willing to take a stand publically…out in the open.

  • donna

    Burning their books publically and posting them on Youtube would serve as a PUBLIC REBUKE.
    We Will NOT stand by any longer and see these heretics twist the Scriptures to fits satan’s plans.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    donna

    If you are going to start, then you need to burn Word of Faith books as well, Emergent books and Cactholic books, etc, etc. I hope you have the money to buy all these books.

  • Burning Lamp

    Donna, you mean well and you are right in that we should HATE false doctrines. Yes, we are to expose the deeds of darkness. But there is a right way to go about it and a wrong way.

    It is our job to preach the TRUTH and let GOD through the HOLY SPIRIT do the work in hearts.

    The books are merely a respresentation of the beliefs – words on a written page. The Bible says that our battle is NOT with flesh and blood but rather in the spiritual realm. If every Christian would live out their lives in a righteous manner and SPEAK THE TRUTH IN LOVE to those in darkness we would be doing God’s will.

    There will always be error and darkness and the only way to combat it is with TRUTH. The weapons of our warfare are NOT CARNAL such as burning books.

    The only time to burn books is when someone becomes a Christian and gets rid of books they possess that are false. There is precedence for this in the Bible. But just having a public burning is NOT biblical.

    Godly zeal is good, but we do more harm than good when we operate in the flesh.

    I hope this is helpful sister.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    BL

    Thanks for that comment to donna, I knew you would write something excellent on the topic at hand. :)

  • donna

    Burning Lamp wrote:

    Donna, you mean well and you are right in that we should HATE false doctrines. Yes, we are to expose the deeds of darkness. But there is a right way to go about it and a wrong way.
    It is our job to preach the TRUTH and let GOD through the HOLY SPIRIT do the work in hearts.
    The books are merely a respresentation of the beliefs – words on a written page. The Bible says that our battle is NOT with flesh and blood but rather in the spiritual realm. If every Christian would live out their lives in a righteous manner and SPEAK THE TRUTH IN LOVE to those in darkness we would be doing God’s will.
    There will always be error and darkness and the only way to combat it is with TRUTH. The weapons of our warfare are NOT CARNAL such as burning books.
    The only time to burn books is when someone becomes a Christian and gets rid of books they possess that are false. There is precedence for this in the Bible. But just having a public burning is NOT biblical.
    Godly zeal is good, but we do more harm than good when we operate in the flesh.
    I hope this is helpful sister.

    You and others like you are the typical….just pray and walk away~!~!
    These heretics need alot more resistance than a simple prayer…they are deceiving millions and you think just praying is the answer?
    Next time I see a starving man freezing in the streets I will pray for him that he finds some food and a warm jacket.
    The public burning of heretical books would not be for the benefit of the Cindy Jacobs of this world it would be for the benefit of those she is deceiving.
    I don’t believe it is right to just pray….if it is then the next time I run across an injured homeless person I will pray they find their way to a hospital…..along I will allow myself to believe God is honoring my “prayer”~!~~!

  • donna

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    donna
    If you are going to start, then you need to burn Word of Faith books as well, Emergent books and Cactholic books, etc, etc. I hope you have the money to buy all these books.

    The bonfires are lit and ready~!!~

  • donna

    To be honest, burning their books publically is a last resort. It is a public call to accountability. These liars have been prayed for, confronted in love, shown their error of their ways, and if they choose the way of Balaam then there is little praying left to do….therefore light your bonfires…..

  • donna

    Burning Lamp wrote:

    Donna, you mean well and you are right in that we should HATE false doctrines. Yes, we are to expose the deeds of darkness. But there is a right way to go about it and a wrong way.
    It is our job to preach the TRUTH and let GOD through the HOLY SPIRIT do the work in hearts.
    The books are merely a respresentation of the beliefs – words on a written page. The Bible says that our battle is NOT with flesh and blood but rather in the spiritual realm. If every Christian would live out their lives in a righteous manner and SPEAK THE TRUTH IN LOVE to those in darkness we would be doing God’s will.
    There will always be error and darkness and the only way to combat it is with TRUTH. The weapons of our warfare are NOT CARNAL such as burning books.
    The only time to burn books is when someone becomes a Christian and gets rid of books they possess that are false. There is precedence for this in the Bible. But just having a public burning is NOT biblical.
    Godly zeal is good, but we do more harm than good when we operate in the flesh.
    I hope this is helpful sister.

    It’s all true what you say Deb, BUT I have no problem burning heretics books~!~! NONE WHATSOEVER~!~!
    The Bible says nothing about cars, you wearing denim, or about the telescopes that we gaze through to see God’s creation so does that mean that because there is no scripture regarding cars that we should not have one or drive one? How about telescopes? Shall we label telescopes as part of this “world” and not view the pictures from Hubble? So there are no scriptures about burning books written by heretics, it is merely a means of provoking the liars and seeing how they will defend their lies…..no harm done, most of the cindy jacobs of this world have no intention of repenting, she has been warned, talked to, prayed for and still she chooses to have others follow her in darkness.
    As for offending them by burning their garbage books I could care less if they are offended, if they want to be offended then they should read what Paul the Apostle said about people like her….if any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ ANATHEMA. Remember what Jude said? He said that the blackness of darkness is reserved for them forever, so if they want to be offended they should read what Paul and Jude said, that is a whole lot more scary than me just inciting spiritual riots~!~ Don’t you think?

  • Burning Lamp

    And AGAIN, Donna, where is the scriptural basis for this? Show us Donna, where the HOLY SPIRIT is leading this type of violent activity? And it IS violent!!

    Your comparisons are faulty. There is a BIG difference between those in poverty and those who are in delusion. One requires a physical act of charity – the other is a SPIRITUAL problem. Why can’t you see that?

    SPIRITUAL battles are best won on our KNEES!! Acts done without the blessing of God do more harm than good and are a product of the FLESH and NOT the Holy Spirit.

    And who would you invite to this book-burning? And what would it accomplish other than to embarrass the cause of Christ? In fact, it would probably make those who believe in this stuff circle their wagons and become even more rooted in their false beliefs. Think about it.

    Incidentally, the Koran burning pastor backed down and it has been reported that a shiny new car suddently showed up in his driveway. Hmmmmmmmmmm.

  • Burning Lamp

    Donna, one more comment.

    Think about what the suggestion of burning the Koran did? It stirred up horrible anger and threats of violence. If that pastor had gone through with his plan, consider the consequences. More violence, more killing of innocents, more evil acts. A brilliant plan – for the REAL enemy, Satan.

    Your proposed burning of false doctrineal books would result in a similar negative reaction although not violent in a physical way. You would be portrayed as a person of hatred and they would be seen in a sympathetic light. Afterall, they are free to promote their beliefs just as are cults, etc. The ONLY effective weapon against them is the TRUTH and the power of the HOLY SPIRIT. I truly hope that you change your views as they are not helpful to the cause of Christ.

    Yes, PRAY, and go share the TRUTH and as the Bible says, “SPEAK THE TRUTH IN LOVE”. Be ready to give an answer and do it gently. That speaks volumes. Share the Gospel, win souls and disciple them while there is still time.

    What you are advocating is USURPING the Holy Spirit and DISOBEDIENCE to the Word of God. That, my dear is not wise.

  • donna

    Burning Lamp wrote:

    And AGAIN, Donna, where is the scriptural basis for this? Show us Donna, where the HOLY SPIRIT is leading this type of violent activity? And it IS violent!!
    Your comparisons are faulty. There is a BIG difference between those in poverty and those who are in delusion. One requires a physical act of charity – the other is a SPIRITUAL problem. Why can’t you see that?
    SPIRITUAL battles are best won on our KNEES!! Acts done without the blessing of God do more harm than good and are a product of the FLESH and NOT the Holy Spirit.
    And who would you invite to this book-burning? And what would it accomplish other than to embarrass the cause of Christ? In fact, it would probably make those who believe in this stuff circle their wagons and become even more rooted in their false beliefs. Think about it.
    Incidentally, the Koran burning pastor backed down and it has been reported that a shiny new car suddently showed up in his driveway. Hmmmmmmmmmm.

    Book burning is not an act of violence, and act of violence is aimed toward a person not an inanimate object like a book.
    Really I don’t care if people burn the koran or not because there are more important things to look after like widow and orphans.
    And yes prayer does change things but there are things that will never change with prayer because evil will persist until Jesus destroys it all.
    So the book burning thing was more to see where everybody stands, I am against muslim hyprocrisy, they kill PEOPLE, and they start riots and murder people when their koran is threatened or when you point out that their prophet was a pedophile….he was!~!

  • donna

    Burning Lamp wrote:

    Donna, one more comment.
    Think about what the suggestion of burning the Koran did? It stirred up horrible anger and threats of violence. If that pastor had gone through with his plan, consider the consequences. More violence, more killing of innocents, more evil acts. A brilliant plan – for the REAL enemy, Satan.
    Your proposed burning of false doctrineal books would result in a similar negative reaction although not violent in a physical way. You would be portrayed as a person of hatred and they would be seen in a sympathetic light. Afterall, they are free to promote their beliefs just as are cults, etc. The ONLY effective weapon against them is the TRUTH and the power of the HOLY SPIRIT. I truly hope that you change your views as they are not helpful to the cause of Christ.
    Yes, PRAY, and go share the TRUTH and as the Bible says, “SPEAK THE TRUTH IN LOVE”. Be ready to give an answer and do it gently. That speaks volumes. Share the Gospel, win souls and disciple them while there is still time.
    What you are advocating is USURPING the Holy Spirit and DISOBEDIENCE to the Word of God. That, my dear is not wise.

    I speak out of frustration more than anything else…so many people I know are following these false teachers and I am mad about that. How did they end up following liars? These false teachings steal their minds and it is like trying to speak to a Mormon or somebody else in a cult.
    So please except my apologies, I just had another of my friends go down that path following Rick Joyner, cindy jacobs, and Todd Bentley. And warning these people is like talking to the wall, they don’t understand. One of my friends does the “third heaven’ visits, that is no more than astral travel with a christian name attached to it.

    I am not “usurping’ God’s place, I am expressing my anger and sheer frustration at false teachers and false prophets. Maybe I am not expressing my anger rightly and for that I apologize. It was only recently that I found another of my friends taken by Todd Bentley and others like him.
    The whole thing is crazy. One can’t even go to a church anywhere without running into those who follow the domionists liars.
    Men like Rick Joyner are dividing the Body of christ with heresies.
    And muslims are killing people all over the world because they follow a false prophet.
    After awhile I just think to myself that if my friends want to follow liars then who am I to tell them otherwise?

  • Burning Lamp

    Donna, pray for your friends, give them information and then leave it in the Lord’s hands. The most important question to ask them is about their salvation.

    Let them know you love them and are concerned about them. If they won’t listen, love them anyway and keep praying. Only God can change their hearts and open their eyes.

    Even more than the false doctrines, our hatred should be directed to the one who is behind every false way, the enemy of our souls. He IS the enemy and he is the one we should acknowledge as the culprit. There is one enemy and ONLY one.

    May the Lord give you wisdom and help you in your walk. Don’t give into discouragement – that is what always gets me. Satan knows our weaknesses. This life will always be a struggle against the flesh and Satan. But we have a wonderful Savior with the Blessed Hope.

  • donna

    thank you for the encouragement, nevertheless it is exasperating. I am openly hostile to being lied to so when these “teachers” try to pawn this crap off on me they are met with a closed mind.

  • donna

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    BL
    Thanks for that comment to donna, I knew you would write something excellent on the topic at hand. :)

    Don’t you recognize a rant when you see one? I sometimes rant about these lying prophets out of exasperation at the number of my friends they have stolen.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    donna

    I recongise it now ;)

  • Burning Lamp

    Donna, when you decide to rant, if you don’t mind, please precede your remarks with a disclaimer. You will be allowed to sound off without a response. Otherwise I assume your rant requires a response. But please do consider that what we say impacts others and some who read this blog are tender and rants tend to rattle them.

    I understand your frustration, but the way I handle it is to take it to the Lord – He says to cast all our cares on Him. Also, getting into the Word gives us encouragment – read Jeremiah and see what HE want through. Read Foxes Book of Martyrs – the errors we see today are not new – may the peace of God reign in your heart and do NOT allow Satan to steal your joy. Okay?

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    >> Donna, when you decide to rant, if you don’t mind, please precede your remarks with a disclaimer. You will be allowed to sound off without a response. Otherwise I assume your rant requires a response.

    That’s a good one. Like: *rant* I wanna pull me hair out because of these false teachers, let’s go burn all their books *rant* Then we can laugh :)

  • donna

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    >> Donna, when you decide to rant, if you don’t mind, please precede your remarks with a disclaimer. You will be allowed to sound off without a response. Otherwise I assume your rant requires a response.
    That’s a good one. Like: *rant* I wanna pull me hair out because of these false teachers, let’s go burn all their books *rant* Then we can laugh :)

    LOL….as in ha ha ha…..Okay everybody this is a RANT…..
    I’d like it if cindy jacobs (false prophets don’t get capital letters for their names) came to my city for one of her “conferences”, I’d be the first to stand up right in the middle of her lying “sermon’ and let her know that I know she is a lying prophet and that NONE of her “prophecies” came to pass.
    Next time I toast marshmallows over an open fire I’ll use one of her books to start the fire~!~!~!
    Her books are so full of lies that even the fire would “run” away, I’d have to douse in gasoline first~!~!~! RANT RANT RANT…………..!~~!~!~!~!~!
    Her books are full of “hookum spookum”, another word for spiritual nonsense that I am amazed that anybody believes such craziness~!~!~! Mormons and their fairytale religion make more sense than she does.
    SOONER or later SOMEBODY has to publically stand up to her using Scripture and rebuke this woman for the all the lies she has told in the name of God, in the name of Jesus and in the name of the Holy Ghost.
    Jesus said to the Pharisees “if you eye is full of darkness how great is that darkness…cindy?

  • donna

    cindy jacobs, rick joyner, and bob jones have spiritual diseases like gold dust-itis, feather-itis, and gem-itis, I think it comes from love of “money-itis” and “fame-itis”.
    RANT RANT~!~!~!~!~!
    I have a real good idea, this IS NOT a RANT, how about all of us writing to her website every day with a scripture on false prophets and let her know that we know she is a liar? We of course have to be nice but we should clog up her email and website with rebukes after rebuke….anybody game?

  • donna

    As for the phoney teachings of “spiritual mapping” and “territorial spirits”, the Bible says that Jesus DESTROYED THE WORKS OF THE DEVIL. He made an OPEN show of them triumphing over them. Light dispelled darkness, good overcame evil and Jesus rules and reigns from His throne in Heaven….AND the devil knows this~!~!~! Too bad cindy, rick and bob didn’t catch this when they read the Bible~!!~!

    It is the heighth of spiritual arrogance for cindy jacobs to suggest that she needs to teach spiritual mapping to “drive out’ the “territorial spirits”, what she is really saying is that SHE has more power over the devil than the death and resurrection of Jesus does…..now that is more ARROGANT than anything else I have ever heard, even the demons know better and tremble~!~!~!

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  1. Discerning the World owns and operates the DiscerningtheWorld.com site (the “Site”). Your use of the features on the Site allowing for submission of a “Comment” is subject to the following terms and conditions (the “Terms”). Discerning the World may modify these Terms at any time without notice to you by posting revised Terms on the Site. Your submission of a “Comment” to the Site following the modification of these Terms shall constitute your binding acceptance of and agreement to be bound by those modified Terms.
  2. By submitting a “Comment” you are accepting these Terms through your clicking of the “POST COMMENT” button.
  3. Discerning the World has the right, but not the obligation, to take any of the following actions, in Discerning the World’s sole unfettered discretion, at any time, and for any reason or no reason, without providing any prior notice:
    1. Restrict, suspend or terminate your ability to submit “Comments,” to the Site;
    2. Change, suspend or modify all or any part of the Site or the features thereof;
    3. Refuse or remove any material posted on, submitted to or communicated through the Site by you;
    4. Deactivate or delete any screen names, profiles or other information associated with you; or
    5. Alter, modify, discontinue or remove any comment off the Site.
  4. You agree that, when using or accessing the Site or any of the features thereof, you will not:
    1. Violate any applicable law or regulation;
    2. Interfere with or damage the Site, through hacking or any other means;
    3. Transmit or introduce to the Site or to other users thereof any viruses, cancel bots, Trojan horses, flood pings, denial of service attacks, or any other harmful code or processes;
    4. Transmit or submit harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, deceptive, fraudulent, obscene, indecent, vulgar, lewd, violent, hateful or otherwise objectionable content or material;
    5. Transmit or submit any unsolicited advertising, promotional materials, or spam;
    6. Stalk or harass any user or visitor to the Site; or
    7. Use the content or information available on the Site for any improper purpose.
  5. You retain the Copyright of any “Comment” you submit to Discerning the World. By submitting a “Comment” to Discerning the World, you agree to grant Discerning the World a irrevocable, non-exclusive, royalty-free, perpetual license to use the material or commentary that you have submitted, in any medium and in any manner that Discerning the World may, in its sole unfettered discretion, choose.
  6. By submitting a “Comment” to Discerning the World, you agree to comply with the following rules concerning such submissions:
    1.  You agree not to include in your “Comment”:
      1. Any false, defamatory, libelous, abusive, threatening, racially offensive, sexually explicit, obscene, harmful, vulgar, hateful, illegal, or otherwise objectionable content;
      2. Any content that may be seen as stalking or harassing of any other Site contributors;
      3. Any content that personally attacks an individual. (An example of a personal attack is posting negative comments about an individual in a way meant to demean that person. Note that posting your opinion about someone’s ideas, doctrine or actions is not a personal attack);
      4. Any content that discloses private details concerning any person, for eg., phone numbers that have not been made public, photos that are not in the public domain, residential address that is not public, ID numbers, Social Security numbers, email addresses that are not in the public domain, etc.;
      5. Any content that you know to be false, misleading, or fraudulent;
      6. Any use of profanity;
      7. Any content including advertisements or otherwise focused on the promotion of commercial events or businesses, or any request for or solicitation of money, goods, or services for private gain;
      8. Any content that contains software viruses or any other computer code, files or programs designed to interrupt, destroy or limit the functionality of any computer software or hardware or telecommunications equipment; or
      9. Any content directly or indirectly soliciting responses from minors (defined as anyone under 18 years of age).
  7. FAIR USE NOTICE:
    1. If any part of the “Comment” is not your original work, it is your responsibility to add the name of the third party, name the book with page number or a link (url) to the website where you obtained the information.
    2. Your “Comment” may contain Copyrighted material, the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. You are however allowed to make such material available in your “Comment” in an effort to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc.  This constitutes a ‘fair use’ of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this Site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to:http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml.
    3. If you wish to use copyrighted material from a website or any other medium for purposes to add to your “Comment” that go beyond ‘fair use’, you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. (Fair Use means you may quote from copyrighted sources, but you may not publish the whole article, book, etc., in your “Comment”.)
  8. You are solely responsible for the “Comment” you upload, post, transmit or otherwise make available to others using this Web Site. Under no circumstances will Discerning the World be liable in any way for any “Comment” posted on or made available through this Site by you or any third party.
  9. You understand that all “Comments” on this Site are pre-screened or moderated. That means that every “Comment” needs to be approved by Discerning the World before it appears in the “Comments” section.  This is not an automatic process.  Discerning the World does this for SPAM reasons.
  10. Discerning the World has the right (but not the obligation) in their sole unfettered discretion to remove any “Comment” that is posted on or available through the Site. Without limiting the foregoing, Discerning the World has the right to remove any “Comment” that violates these Terms or is otherwise deemed objectionable by Discerning the World in its sole discretion.
  11. You understand that Discerning the World in their sole unfettered discretion is not obligated and can not be forced in any manner, be it legal or otherwise to remove any “Comment” that is posted on or made available through the Site by you.
  12. When submitting a “Comment,” you will be asked to provide your name and your email address. While Discerning the World does not object to your use of a pseudonym instead of your actual name, Discerning the World reserves the right, but not the obligation, to reject, change, disallow, or discontinue at any time any submission name that, in Discerning the World’s sole unfettered discretion, is objectionable or inappropriate for any reason. Discerning the World requires the submission of your email address, but Discerning the World warrants that it will not publish your email address to an outside third party without your consent.
  13. Discerning the World does not sell or rent your personal information to third parties for their marketing purposes. From time to time, Discerning the World may contact you personally via email. Notwithstanding the foregoing, you acknowledge and understand that the “Comments” feature of the Site is designed to permit users to post information and commentary for public review and comment and thus you hereby waive any expectation of privacy you may have concerning any likeness or information provided to the Site by you.
  14. You are solely responsible for your interactions with other users of or visitors to the Site.
    1. Discerning the World shall have the right, but not the obligation, to monitor interactions utilizing the “Comments” facility of the Site, between you and other users of or visitors to the Site. You acknowledge and agree that Discerning the World, or any third party shall not be, and you shall not seek to hold them, responsible for any harm or damage whatsoever arising in connection with your interaction with other users of or visitors to the Site.
    2. Discerning the World does not verify any information posted to or communicated via the “Comments” sections of the Site by users and does not guarantee the proper use of such information by any party who may have access to the information. You acknowledge and agree that Discerning the World does not assume, and shall not have, any responsibility for the content of messages or other communications sent or received by users of the Site.
  15. The Site contains content created by or on behalf of Discerning the World as well as content provided by third parties.
    1. Discerning the World does not control, and makes no representations or warranties about, any third party content, including such content that may be accessible directly on the Site or through links from the Site to third party sites.
    2. You acknowledge that, by viewing the Site or communications transmitted through the Site, you may be exposed to third party content that is false, offensive or otherwise objectionable to you or others, and you agree that under no circumstances shall Discerning the World be liable in any way, under any theory, for any third party content.
    3. You acknowledge and agree that the Site, and the contents thereof, is proprietary to Discerning the World and is protected by copyright. You agree that you will not access or use the Site or any of the content thereof for any reason or purpose other than your personal, non-commercial use.
    4. You agree that you will not systematically retrieve data or other content from the Site by any means, and you will not compile a database or directory of information extracted from the Site.
    5. You agree that you will not reproduce, distribute or make derivative works of the Site or any of the contents thereof without the express consent of Discerning the World.
    6. You hereby agree to indemnify, defend and hold harmless Discerning the World, its affiliates and licensees, and all of their officers, directors, employees, agents and representatives from and against any and all liabilities, losses, claims, damages, and expenses (including attorneys’ fees) in connection with any claim arising out of your use of the Site or violation of any of these Terms.

DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTY/LIMITATION OF LIABILITY.

  • YOU EXPRESSLY AGREE THAT USE OF THE SITE IS AT YOUR SOLE RISK. NEITHER DISCERNING THE WORLD, ITS AFFILIATES, NOR ANY OF THEIR RESPECTIVE EMPLOYEES, AGENTS, OR LICENSORS WARRANT THAT THE SITE WILL BE UNINTERRUPTED, TIMELY, SECURE OR ERROR FREE.
  • THE SITE IS PROVIDED ON AN “AS IS” BASIS WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO WARRANTIES OF TITLE OR IMLPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
  • THIS DISCLAIMER OF LIABILITY APPLIES TO ANY DAMAGES OR INJURY CAUSED BY ANY FAILURE OF PERFORMANCE, ERROR, OMISSION, INTERRUPTION, DELETION, DEFECT, DELAY, COMMUNICATION LINE FAILURE, THEFT OR DESTRUCTION OR UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO, ALTERATION OF OR USE, WHETHER FOR BREACH OF CONTRACT, TORTIOUS BEHAVIOR, NEGLIGENCE OR UNDER ANY OTHER CAUSE OF ACTION. YOU SPECIFICALLY ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT DISCERNING THE WORLD SHALL NOT BE LIABLE FOR THE DEFAMATORY, OFFENSIVE OR ILLEGAL CONDUCT OF USERS OF THE SITE OR THIRD PARTIES, AND THAT THE RISK OF INJURY FROM THE FOREGOING RESTS ENTIRELY WITH THE YOU THE COMMENTER.
  • IN NO EVENT WILL DISCERNING THE WORLD, ITS AFFILIATES OR ANY OF THEIR RESPECTIVE EMPLOYEES, AGENTS OR LICENSORS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR PUNITIVE DAMAGES, EVEN IF THEY HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES, ARISING FROM, RELATING TO OR CONNECTED WITH THE USE OR INABILITY TO USE THE SITE OR ANY OTHER MATTER ARISING FROM, RELATING TO OR CONNECTED WITH THE SITE OR THESE TERMS.

16. These Terms constitute the entire agreement between Discerning the World and you with respect to the subject matter hereof, and supersede any previous oral or written agreement between us with respect to such subject matter.

Thank you!