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Passion Conference – Louie Giglio and his Emerging Agenda

Passion Conference - Louie Giglio and his Emerging Agenda

Louie Giglio

Passion Conference – Louie Giglio and his Emerging Agenda

Apparently to Louie Giglio digging wells is more important than preaching the saving gospel of Jesus Christ.

Now I know, y’all are gonna come here and give me grief;  about how you have to “dig the well and build that bridge and create the relationship before you can preach the gospel.”   I can’t find one instance of Jesus or any of the disciples and apostles building wells, planting crops, or educating people before preaching the gospel.  They just went right in and preached.

You see you can build a well, but you can’t make the people drink.

Louie Giglio came onto the scene a while back as a Baptist (Calvinist).  He alluded to the fact that being a Baptist you could trust him as someone who would never deceive anyone let alone the youth!

Well everyone thought that about John Piper too and look who he hangs around with now – Mark ‘Let’s Meditate’ Driscoll and Rick ‘Purposely Driven’ Warren.   And guess who mentors Louie Giglio, well John Piper of course.

Regarding the Passion Conference:   “The conference challenged students to worship the Lord with their lives and to impact the lives of others who are hurting all over the world.”

“Worship the Lord with their lives”?  Ah they mean go out and do good works.  And “impact the lives of others hurting all over the world“, by doing good works.

See CBN news report below:

Passion Conference Raises over $1 Million

Friday, January 08, 2010
By Tracy Winborn – CBN News Producer
 

Thousands of college students from around the world converged in Atlanta this week at the Passion Conference 2010.

More than 20,000 students from 37 countries packed the Georgia World Congress Center in downtown Atlanta for the four-day gathering.

The conference challenged students to worship the Lord with their lives and to impact the lives of others who are hurting all over the world.

Students answered that call by raising $1.3 million in global aid.

“Crazy. Thank you so much,” Passion Conference founder/director Louie Giglio told the students. “What a beautiful day, what a beautiful time. “We love you guys, we believe in you, and we believe even more in God. Let’s go live it out on our campuses.”

The money will be directed to sponsor children, an education center for Dalit people in India, to rescue women from the sex trade in Nepal, and to build wells, among other things.

Some of the ministries affected by the Passion outreach include World Vision, Hope International, and Compassion International.

Source:    http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2010/January/Passion-Conference-Raises-over-1-Million/

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64 comments to Passion Conference – Louie Giglio and his Emerging Agenda

  • jean101

    Deborah, this is something I am currently working on…
    How people use the Name of Jesus or the fact that you call yourself a Cristian, to get money out of you or to gain some “power” advantage.

    The Gospel them becomes “need driven” and not “conviction of sin” any more…

    This is used extensively in churches and welfare organizations but also politically !
    Example, here in SA we have political parties masquerading as Christian political parties and they use “Jesus” as a tool to get your vote…
    Yet in so doing they connect themselves to a political system that gets “ruled” by the will of the people… (Democracy = The will of people)
    I personally don’t believe that we should vote.
    I was asked by two “Christian” political parties to stand for them in my constituency. I explained my beliefs, refused their offer (it included a nice financial bonus) and heard that the organizer’s assistant who was present when they spoke to me, resigned the next day ! Praise God!
    Me and my family, we serve the Lord !

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Jean,

    When you are finished send it my way and I shall post it. :)

  • Craig

    I’m left a little confused after reading your comments.

    Firstly, I am mindful of the fact that I may be falling into the same trap as you are by responding to you, but I just feel the Lord provoking me to make a comment.

    I belong to a little church in South Africa, that is joined in fellowship to a larger group of fellowships who believe the same doctrine and have agreed to fall under the same apostolic oversight. We do not believe that there is any new doctrine out there waiting to still be revealed except as may already be found in the Word of God. However, we don’t claim to know every thing and continue to seek God for more revelation within the confines of His Word.

    I am a little concerned about one or two things I have noticed on this website.

    The first is that the scripture is clear that we should not judge men or women, but rather discern their doctrine. Thus, personal attacks are not promoted or permitted in the Bible. Yet I see this often in the tone and content of some of the comments on this site.

    Secondly, the Bible does not teach that we are to go looking for Doctrine or principles that are false. It does teach that we should know the truth because that will make us free. However, in knowing the truth, we are sometimes faced with false doctrine that comes our way and we are then called to defend or stand on the truth. In fact the teaching is quite clear that we only have a mandate to oppose falsehood that actually enters the “sheep fold”, i.e. the local Body of Christ where we are placed as it has pleased the Lord.

    Thirdly, Paul writes that women are not to teach as she being like Eve, is more prone to being deceived, and yet there is teaching and correction being given by ladies? That just doesn’t add up

    Fourthly, the scripture refers to the attitude with which our “brother” should be corrected – i.e. a spirit of meekness, considering ourselves, lest we also be tempted and fall in the same matter (pride comes before a fall) Furthermore, the intention should not be to write off the person, but to actually see them restored before the Lord. This is not the attitude here, which swings from mocking to aggressive, to accusatory, to sarcastic ridicule to outright rudeness and offensiveness.

    I’m all for standing for the truth, but doing it like this is not how the Scriptures teach us it should be done.

    Lastly, I am opposed to the false gospel that preaches that salvation is all about the needs and wants and desires (lusts) of the individual and not much about repentance from sin, forgiveness, the work of Jesus on the cross, and God’s love, mercy and grace for an unlovely undeserving world.

    However, I disagree that worship does not involve works. Provided, however, they are works that are born of faith and not born of a desire to earn favour with God. Likewise, worship is not something that we do when we sing, but rather the lifestyle we live in service to God by obedience to His Word and i submission to His will. Which is not to say that we live right so that God will bless us – having done all of these things we declare that we are unprofitable servants who have merely done that which is our reasonable service before God.

    Furthermore, Jesus did build a bridge to sinners. He was just much better at it tha we were and so didn’t need to spend so much time on it as we do. Take for example the women at the well. Why do you think he sat there? Why do you think he asked her to draw him some water? Why do you think he engaged her with conversation about her life. She actually thought he was flirting with her. Of course that was not his motive at all. He wanted to reach her in her desperate situation, but He did it by firstly catching her attention. That’s just one example. There are more.

    There is a lovely principle displayed in the raising of Lazarus. When Jesus got to the tomb, why do you think he asked the people to roll away the stone? Could he not just have commanded it to move, or got Lazarus to appear on this side of the stone? After all he was about to raise the dead, it wasn’t as though that would have been a big deal to Him,

    The truth is that there are some people with whom we have to do that come with baggage that “blocks” out the voice (Word) of Jesus and they have mental blocks that have been placed there by the Devil to blind their minds. We need to draw near to them, as did Phillip to the Ethiopian eunuch and “roll away the stone”. How do we do that? Is it by being super spiritual and sending them even further away from the Lord, or do we behave like them to make them feel more comfortable.

    Actually I believe neither of these is the right answer. We still have to maintain our testimony, but sometimes we have to sup with sinners as did Jesus with Zaccheus before they can be won by the Gospel. I’m not saying we do anything but preach Jesus to them, and certainly psychology and social projects won’t heal the venom of sin, but sometimes you need to do those things so that people will listen to you for long enough to realise that you really have the answer. Sometimes you need to stop the bleeding before you can heal the underlying cause. Ultimately it’s about reaching each person in their specific situation, just as Jesus reached each one of us in our specific situation.

    However the answer – Jesus – who is the way, the truth and the Life – will never change!

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Craig

    Thanks for coming to judge me. Would you like 1 or 2 sugars with that.

    I pointed out the contemplative spirituality the Louie Giglio follows. That was it. I never said anything nasty, I never condemned the man, I never called him names. You either stand for the truth 100% or your don’t and you allow Louie Giglio to lead youngsters astray.

    Cheers

  • Elmarie A

    Craig

    >I just feel the Lord provokingIn fact the teaching is quite clear that we only have a mandate to oppose falsehood that actually enters the “sheep fold”, i.e<

    Do you realize how much and at what speed the falsehoods has all ready entered the "sheep fold"

    You know Craig the fact is we do not have to go and look for false doctrines any longer it is out in the open and rife . But I carry these verses very close to my heart.
    Matthew 24 :4-8 (NIV) 4Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,[a]’ and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.

    I don’t agree with you on the devil here. The context is we are talking about believers who stray and have itcy ears. Teachers who go after money and more money and who lead the flock astry. Jesus was clearly talking about believers that will be blinded by His Father at the end times, as Isiah was given this prophecy by God and it will be fulfilled. Therefore it is not satan but God passing judgement the church who stray by blinding them for, they have not passed the test to remain true to and hold fast to Him and His Word.

    as we read and understand.
    Paul to Timothy:
    1 Timothy 1:18-20 (Amplified Bible)18This charge and admonition I commit in trust to you, Timothy, my son, [a]in accordance with prophetic intimations which I formerly received concerning you, so that inspired and aided by them you may wage the good warfare,19Holding fast to faith ([b]that leaning of the entire human personality on God in absolute trust and confidence) and having a good (clear) conscience. By rejecting and thrusting from them [their conscience], some individuals have made shipwreck of their faith.20Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have delivered to Satan in order that they may be disciplined [by punishment and learn] not to blaspheme.

    Jesus to Andrew an Phillip and the crowd of bystanders:
    John 12:35-42 (Amplified Bible)
    35So Jesus said to them, You will have the Light only a little while longer. Walk while you have the Light [keep on living by it], so that darkness may not overtake and overcome you. He who walks about in the dark does not know where he goes [he is drifting].36While you have the Light, believe in the Light [have faith in it, hold to it, rely on it], that you may become sons of the Light and be filled with Light. Jesus said these things, and then He went away and hid Himself from them [was lost to their view].37Even though He had done so many miracles before them (right before their eyes), yet they still did not trust in Him and failed to believe in Him–38So that what Isaiah the prophet said was fulfilled: Lord, who has believed our report and our message? And to whom has the arm (the power) of the Lord been shown (unveiled and revealed)?(A)39Therefore they could not believe [they were unable to believe]. For Isaiah has also said,
    40He has blinded their eyes and hardened and benumbed their [callous, degenerated] hearts [He has made their minds dull], to keep them from seeing with their eyes and understanding with their hearts and minds and repenting and turning to Me to heal them.41Isaiah said this because he saw His glory and spoke of Him.(B)42And yet [in spite of all this] many even of the leading men (the authorities and the nobles) believed and trusted in Him. But because of the Pharisees they did not confess it, for fear that [if they should acknowledge Him] they would be expelled from the synagogue;

    We can only watch and pray, and warn others of the deception. The choice still remains with the individual to listen to warning bells.

  • Elmarie A

    Craig

    Your doctrine seems to be the Calvinist. Do you perhaps fall under Babtist or Grace Christian Church of John Macarthur?

    My question is based on having a little knowledge about them. They are the only group I know of in my area who I still feel safe with in their biblical teachings.

  • Craig

    Hi Elmarie

    My background is not Calvinist.

    For eg I don’t believe in “once saved always saved”, and the only predestination the Bible speaks of is “in Christ” ie we are pre-destined, but only once we are in Christ. I also believe that the preaching of the Word generates faith in the hearer which enables even an unsaved person to have the choice to become a child of God.

    In particular, I want to respond to your comment re the sheep fold. What I mean by this is that we are only called to guard what actually impacts on our own local church. The shepherd doesn’t worry about any sheep fold other than his own and that is the example we have been given. It is the responsibility of the Great Shepherd to guard the general church but I believe our mandate only extends to our local fellowship.

    I’m not saying it isn’t pervading the local churches, just that I don’t have to worry about what’s happening elsewhere unless I have my own house sorted out first. Judgement must begin at my own house, to put it in more Biblical terminology.

    Hi Deborah

    You are behaving in a very defensive and aggressive manner. I felt that I was quite fair in mentioning the few things i did and in no way meant to judge you. However your spirit is clearly contentious and your sarcasm not only unChristlike, but also uncalled for andcertainly not appreciated. I took the time to deal with some things whihc I thought would be taken seriously, but clearly, while you have no problem correcting eveyone else, you yourself do not wish for your character or motives to be questioned. That is a serious disparity which the Word of God warns against. No matter how mature we are in the Lord, we must all still be teachable, because none of us have “made it”

    And as a matter of interest, I can’t see anywhere in your article which refers to the question of contemplative sprituality.
    All I see is some semi-funny remarks about some people and their beliefs and a reference to the fact that others have been hangin around with others who have a less than glowing reputation. This is nothing more than gossip? Or am I misreading your statements.

    And, of course, Jesus never hung around with people who had less than glowing reputations did he?

    I also mentioned two incidences of Jesus “building a bridge”, which you seem to have conveniently overlooked in your response. Perhaps rather than ridiculing me, you could take the time to seriously respond to my comments

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Craig

    Hmm…ok… can I repeat what I said in my previous comment that got you so rilled up again: “I pointed out the contemplative spirituality the Louie Giglio follows. That was it. I never said anything nasty, I never condemned the man, I never called him names. You either stand for the truth 100% or your don’t and you allow Louie Giglio to lead youngsters astray.”

    >> And as a matter of interest, I can’t see anywhere in your article which refers to the question of contemplative spirituality.

    LOL, there is not just 1, there are 3 article and all 3 articles are about Louie Giglio delving into contemplative spirituality. I suppose if you have no idea what contemplative spirituality is then you can’t point it out. I understand. Go research what it is, will take you a few months to get a good understanding of how involved and deceptive it is.

    Go to January 2010 archives
    13: Louie Giglio – Chasing The Experience (Part 1)
    12: Louie Giglio – Sometimes Silence is Loud
    12: Louie Giglio – A Baptist with an Emerging Agenda

    Are you a New Evangelical? Go read this article: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/03/29/the-new-evangelical-evil-fit-for-a-new-dark-age/

    As for your comment to Elmarie about “Judgement must begin at my own house, to put it in more Biblical terminology.” So when you gonna start? You can’t come here and have a nervous breakdown and judge me because I pointed out deceitful errors that someone is teaching to people and leading them astray.

    Besides we are command by God to test and point out people who preach false doctrine. Being non-judgemental is reserved for sin in people’s lives – we can’t judge people on that as no one has any right.

    BUT I WILL, oh YES, I WILL expose Louie Giglio until everyone knows he preys on youth.

    The Bible requires that we judge everything by the divine standard (1 Thess. 5:21).

    We are to judge righteous judgment (Jn. 7:24).
    We are to judge all things (1 Cor. 2:15-16).
    We are to judge sin in the church (1 Cor. 5:3, 12).
    We are to judge matters between the brethren (1 Cor. 6:5).
    We are to judge preaching (1 Cor. 14:29).
    We are to judge those who preach false gospels, false christs, and false spirits (2 Cor. 11:1-4).
    We are to judge the works of darkness (Eph. 5:11).
    We are to judge false prophets and false apostles (2 Pet. 2; 1 John 4:1; Rev. 2:2).

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Craig

    >> I also mentioned two incidences of Jesus “building a bridge”,

    You are right I did ignore that. Please supply verses for these 2 occasions of “building a bridge”?

  • Elmarie A

    Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Well said thank you.

    Craig

    It is the responsibility of the Great Shepherd to guard the general church but I believe our mandate only extends to our local fellowship.

    Oh really does it extend only to your local fellowship? So you care only about your local fellowship? Is this what the apostels did or the disciples? Now how is that Biblical, we are All to be brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ. We must become useful and helpful and kind to one another, tenderhearted (compassionate, understanding, loving-hearted), forgiving one another [readily and freely].

    And

    Take care and be on guard for yourselves and the WHOLE FLOCK over which the Holy Spirit has appointed you bishops and guardians, to shepherd (tend and feed and guide) the church of the Lord ..

    We as christians are the church of the Lord and therefore also the WHOLE FLOCK.

    Ephesians 4:31-32 (Amplified Bible)

    31 Let all bitterness and indignation and wrath (passion, rage, bad temper) and resentment (anger, animosity) and quarreling (brawling, clamor, contention) and slander (evil-speaking, abusive or blasphemous language) be banished from you, with all malice (spite, ill will, or baseness of any kind).32And become useful and helpful and kind to one another, tenderhearted (compassionate, understanding, loving-hearted), forgiving one another [readily and freely], as God in Christ forgave you.

    Acts 20:27-29 (Amplified Bible)

    27For I never shrank or kept back or fell short from declaring to you the whole purpose and plan and counsel of God.28 Take care and be on guard for yourselves and the whole flock over which the Holy Spirit has appointed you bishops and guardians, to shepherd (tend and feed and guide) the church of the Lord or [a]of God which He obtained for Himself [buying it and saving it for Himself] with His own blood.29 I know that after I am gone, ferocious wolves will get in among you, not sparing the flock;

    Where will you be Craig should your flock not be spared because the ferocious wolves will come in ?? Will you be willing to accept help from another flocks shepard? or even help a totally other flock??

    It is our duty to warn the WHOLE church of any apostasy. Believe me it is rive. We are indeed in the great falling away times and are becoming fewer and fewer, the flock is getting smaller and smaller.

    When you are in a meeting with other teachers do you only care about your local fellowship, then why would you even bother going there.

    The shepherd doesn’t worry about any sheep fold other than his own

    The Lord is our shepard and he alone are able to guard his WHOLE flock.

    Psalm 23:1

    1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not be in want.

    I’m not saying it isn’t pervading the local churches, just that I don’t have to worry about what’s happening elsewhere unless I have my own house sorted out first.

    Ok Craig then if you think it fair just go and do just that then.

    Are you spreading the Gospel Craig? or only to your local fellowship?

    Mark 16:15
    And He said to them, Go into all the world and preach and publish openly the good news (the Gospel) to every creature [of the whole human race].

    I believe the site is spreading the Gospel by what is done here to the whole world.

    God bless you Craig

  • Elmarie A

    Craig

    A last one. Jesus died for all of us. That tells me that we are to care for all and the whole flock and church. We are to blow the trumpet for the whole church to hear, and heed to the warnings.

    Ezekiel 33:6-8 (Amplified Bible)

    6But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet and the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any one of them, he is taken away in and for his perversity and iniquity, but his blood will I require at the watchman’s hand. 7 So you, son of man, I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel; therefore hear the word at My mouth and give them warning from Me. 8 When I say to the wicked, O wicked man, you shall surely die, and you do not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his perversity and iniquity, but his blood will I require at your hand.

    Nowhere does it say blow the trumpet to your local fellowship or own house only.

  • Richard

    What about in Matthew 25 where Jesus tells us to go out and take care of the least of these? How could you say it is wrong for us to go out and meet the physical needs of people when scripture clearly shows a balance of both meeting needs and preaching the Gospel?

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Richard

    huh?

  • Jam

    I pray for the Holy Spirit to touch our hearts as He would clear up our minds.
    We need to remember that God’s greatest command is LOVE.
    God loves us first…
    Let us love one another as we love ourselves.
    Let our conversations be Christ-centered..
    We have different views because we come from different circumstances.
    That is why we need to accept each other as God does.
    God bless us all.
    Enjoy your day my friends.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Jam

    Spoken like a true New Age Christian.

  • Brett

    Here are the foundational truths of the Gospel as I understand it…

    =======================================================================================

    1. God created Adam and he was called “very good”…

    “So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.” (Genesis 1:27 ESV)

    “And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.” (Genesis 1:31 ESV)

    2. The sin of man separated us from a Perfect and Holy God…

    “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23)

    3. Because of our sin we deserve eternal punishment in Hell…

    “For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” (Romans 6:23 ESV)

    4. God sent his only Son to take this punishment, so that we wouldn’t have to…

    “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.” (John 3:16-18 ESV)

    5. We receive this free gift of eternal salvation by grace through faith…

    “For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.” (Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV)

    “and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith.” (Romans 3:24-25 ESV)

    =================================================================================

    This gospel also lines up with all of the 20+ online sermons that I have heard Louie Giglio preach. I would encourage you to take the time to listen to a few of Louie’s sermons to hear the gospel for yourself.

    [EDITED by DTW: URL removed]

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Brett

    Are you saying that is ALL that Louie preaches? No, Louie Giglio and John Piper are now bedfellows with RICK WARREN!

  • Mary-Elise

    Do you honestly, honestly believe that Louise Giglio is proclaiming salvation through works?
    Do you honestly, honestly think that when Louise stands up in front of those young people, that his intent is to bring false teachings to them?

    Louise stands accused before you.
    Can I suggest that you listen to more of his messages. Ask the Holy Spirit to bless you with discernment as you do this.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Mary-Elise

    Louie Giglio teaches CONTEMPLATIVE SPIRITUALITY to youngster! http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/10/26/new-calvinism-catching-a-gullible-generation/

    I suggest you listen more to his messages and open your ears and your BIBLE.

  • Burning Lamp

    Debs, obviously Mary-Elise is talking about someone else – a female – Louise, not Louis.
    Case of mistaken identity or is he a crossdresser?

    HAAAAAAAA ROFL!!!!!!

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    BL

    HAHA I didn’t notice. Louise Giglio LOLOL

  • Jim

    Reminds of the church of Ephesus on here.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    College kids feeling passion for conference

    By Steve Almasy, CNN

    The Passion conference is more than just a huge gathering of college-age kids, organizers say. the recent Atlanta conference was a call for the next generation to make Jesus a focal point in their lives and to share that passion with others, they said.

    “Church was never meant to be an island of self-indulgence, but a missional community of Jesus-followers so in love with Him that they can do nothing else but carry His name to the world,” pastor Louie Giglio said in an e-mail this week.

    The event drew more than 22,000 students to the Georgia capital’s convention center and to Philips Arena. It was even more successful than Giglio had hoped for.

    “It is truly inspiring to see a generation that is so hungry for an authentic encounter with Jesus … one that exchanges consumer-driven Christ for Christ-centered obedience,” said Giglio.

    One of the main spots at the conference, a convention floor full of booths for 10 carefully selected charities that the Passion movement works with throughout the year. The call went out to the college kids to spend time at the exhibits and find one that moved them.

    On a Monday night, the third of a four-day event, thousands of kids dressed in t-shirts and jeans weaved their way through the exhibits. They took brochures and enthusiastically chatted as volunteers explained what each cause was about.

    The stereotype is that college kids never have much money, but these kids dug deep. Some even brought in containers filled with money they had raised or saved.

    Some donated what little money they had, some brought material goods, many gave from there hearts, officials said. Every charitable goal was surpassed, not by a little but by a lot.

    The goal was to raise $500,000 for the charities, but after the conference, Do Something Now, the fundraising campaign of the Passion Conferences, announced that it had raised $1.1 million for Compassion International, Hope International, Haiti Transformed, International Justice Mission, Bibles Unbound, World Made Flesh, Joint Aid Management, Cure International, Living Water International, and the Atlanta Mission and City of Refuge (kids brought socks and towels for the homeless).

    Giglio says it is compelling to see 18- to 22-year-olds giving to the causes that matter most.

    “The fact that 22,000 university-aged young people would journey to Atlanta and gather for the name of Jesus is staggering in and of itself,” he wrote. “But the fact that, as a result of His grace in their lives, they would pool their resources to the tune of $1.1 million to fund 10 local and global causes signifies a massive shift.”

    Students got to hear from pastor John Piper, who returned from an eight-month leave of absence, Francis Chan, and Beth Moore. The students sat intently, many taking notes, writing down the references to scripture passages. Afterward, they left, so moved barely a word was uttered.

    They also were treated to warm up music from Chris Tomlin and his fellow artists on the sixstepsrecords label. The resulting live album (yet to be titled) will be released March 8. Last year’s CD went to No. 1 on the Christian charts and featured the radio single “Our God.”

    A second Passion event is scheduled for April 1 in Fort Worth, Texas. Tickets are still available, a spokesperson said. http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/11/college-kids-feeling-passion-for-conference/

    ———————

    Students got to hear from John Piper who was out during those 8 months making best friends with Rick Warren who is NOW doing this: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2011/01/12/rick-warren-a-new-age-prescription-for-your-health/ WARNING!!!

  • Dee

    While the “children of God” bicker over His Word…. Islam is taking over… Wake up people and get right with God.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Dee

    You see such a small picture of what is going on, when you want to see the BIGGER PICTURE, pray and ask God to show it to you :)

  • Michael

    Dee please do not be so blind and ignorant…this is just a “red herring”. Satan is not so simplistic…afterall he is a very clever deceiver…caused the downfall of mankind even in the paradise of Eden. If he can do that it is a cake-walk for him to deceive the masses.
    “While the “children of God” bicker over His Word…. Islam is taking over… Wake up people and get right with God”
    Islam is just another arrow in his quivver, he diversifies and mixes up his tactics. Yes, he has been defeated at Calvary but his mission to deceive the ignorant and sometimes even the elect is not over. Read your bible and follow the right context of God’s word and Christ’s gospel so that the scales will fall off your eyes.

  • Dave

    ‘Well everyone thought that about John Piper too and look who he hangs around with now – Mark ‘Let’s Meditate’ Driscoll. Mark recently appeared along side Rick Warren at some convention or another. And guess who mentors Louie Giglio, well John Piper of course’

    Hi Deborah, just wondering what your thoughts are on who Jesus hung around with? You seem to be judging Piper on who he spends time with. Do you feel the same about Jesus? I know he sometimes got in with the wrong crowd and liked them, spent time with them, even ones who didn’t follow God perfectly…

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Dave

    Lets get this straight, Jesus would eat with sinners who had NEVER heard the gospel before and preach to them. He did not sit and eat and entertain with pharisees who knew everything and REFUSED TO LISTEN – he rebuked them over and over again.

    John Piper is now with Rick Warren who is doing this: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2011/01/12/rick-warren-a-new-age-prescription-for-your-health/ I suppose you are going for Reiki soon?

  • Dave2

    Deborah
    I am wondering, have you read any material by Mark Driscoll as in have you read a book by Him, his theology or anything on those lines not what some one said about this but have you heard or read the source? what about louie Giglio? do yo truly understand what the emerging agenda means? if so can you give an outline of what it is?
    thanks

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Dave2

    Yes, and yes and read my blog.

  • David

    Deborah u just sound like a very angry woman. U need to
    start showing some fruit in this regard as u cannot go about slagging everyone who is not just right down your street.

  • Chris

    Deborah, I appreciate your sincere efforts to engage in a warning ministry to the flock. Scott and Dave have continued in a similar effort over at BornToWatch.com, great website.

    I have had a lot of difficulty with in-law’s and even children from our Independent Baptist congregation outside Atlanta going to attend 268 Generation’s events (another ecumenical evangelizing arm of the Passion Movement spearheaded by Louie Giglio). Louie is a slippery slope, because it isn’t often that he outright says something heretical.

    However, bad company corrupts good character (1Cor 15:33) and Louie has been mentored by individuals deeply rooted in eastern mysticism and apostasy, which is more than enough for me to err to the side of caution and avoid that New Evangelical movement all together.

    David Cloud with Way Of Life Ministries pastors Bethel Baptist Church and has some great literature on some of these movements and their affiliation with (surprise) the Papacy and greater RCC, or Roman Catholic Church.

    I commend you! Be well.

    In Christ,
    CS

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Chris

    Thank you, I appreciate your comment. And you are right, it isn’t very often that he says something outright heretical. But the way he words his stuff, if you arn’t paying attention, you won’t pick it up. I have 2 of his books and they are so mystical it’s frightening but it’s difficult to quote him because he is sly in the way he says stuff.

    Also you just have to go to the blogs for the Passion Movement conferences, you see kids calling down fire. No one there corrects them and tells them, ‘no, that’s not biblical, the Holy Spirit is not fire!’ So at these conferences fire is called down on your kids, demonic activity reigns supreme.

    :( I dunno, I try my best to get the word out. Those who will listen, will listen I guess because of the Holy Spirit in their lives.

  • Rusty

    Have you listened to Louie’s last message that he preached at passion 2011? Pretty much finished by making the point that works can never be enough and called the listeners to fully surrender their hearts to God and go from there. Seemed ok to me?

    Im all about good solid orthidox biblical preaching though and I find that many emerging “popular” preachers like Louie seem to spend half of their message trying to illustrate a point from personal experiance rather than taking examples straight from the word which shouldnt be that hard. A breif personal experiance can be helpful in connecting with listeners but shouldnt be the pillar the message is built on.

    Thanks for the read anyways guys was good to hear a few different perspectives, was going to use some of louie’s stuff in a essay im doing for college on Kingdom Ministry atm but I think ill stay away from it for now as i dont know enough about the above conversation and its implecations.

  • Martin Horan

    When my wife and I attended the Worldwide Church of God we too were taught that Jesus was the first person to be born-again. Maybe Joyce Meyer got it from WCG’s late Herbert Armstrong (“God’s only living true apostle”) who taught that. He got it, I think, from Col 1:18–which is telling of Christ being the first to be resurrected from death forever.
    As to the all-seeing eye: anyone with a superficial knowledge of Freemasonry knows that it is Masonic.
    “In every well-furnished lodge you will find one”, according to MasonicDictionary.com where you’ll find an explanation regarding this symbol. It also holds a prominent position in their own books on the subject. There is one on the Alexander Column in St Petersburg, Russia, and there’s one on the US dollar bill, above the pyramid. They are often but not always in triangles.
    You sometimes see them on the outsides of their temples/lodges in various nations.
    (There’s one on a Baptist church window in Mount Liberty Baptist Church of Murphy South Carolina [see the book “Thirty-Three Degrees of Deception” by Tom C. McKenney].)
    If Joyce Meyer is unaware of the fact that this is one of the most famous of Masonic symbols, she must be very ignorant. It is also fairly common knowledge that it goes back to the Egyptian Eye of Horus. Perhaps Joyce Meyer, who is obviously not heeding 1 Thess 5:21 and 1John 4:1, is choosing to be ignorant of the matter.

  • milo

    This guy is making money selling DVDs in the name of God. How Christian is that? A Christian is a foot-step follower of Jesus Christ. A follower of Jesus Christ this guy is not. Jesus did not sell God’s word. It was free for anyone wanting to listen. And, no, you don’t have to dig a well (make money) to share God’s word. Look at Jehovah’s Witnesses. They offer free home Bible studies. They provide Bibles and literature without charging you for it. They also will come to your home. You don’t have to put out money to travel to get this information.
    Regarding trusting him because he is a Baptist – I use to be a Baptist. Let’s see here – the preacher of the church got my well-endowed, 15-year-old friend into his office alone and exposed himself to her.
    When I learned that the word “hell” means “death” instead of a fiery place where God sends sinners to burn forever, I asked a Baptist preacher about that. He agreed with me, but said if he didn’t preach the “hell-fire” doctrine, no one would attend his church. He knows it’s a lie and he lies to control the people, and what does God’s word say about lying? Trust a Baptist. I don’t think so.
    This guy is only in this for money. Besides the huge amounts he raises, look him up on Amazon.com. It’s all about money.
    I applaud you for exposing this guy. I had never heard of him until recently when a friend loaned me one of his DVDs. After a few minutes of listening, I shut it off. I couldn’t stand it. He sounds like a fast talking salesman trying to swindle you in any way he can to get your money.

  • Andy

    milo, the lake of fire is eternal torment. Nobody has to be there, and Jesus wants everybody in heaven. But the lake of fire is eternal torment. It is plain and clear from all of Scripture.

  • charles allan

    Colossians 1:24
    Now I rejoice in what was suffered for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church.

    Can anyone tell me the meaning of this scripture

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    charles allan

    >> Can anyone tell me the meaning of this scripture Colossians 1:24

    Colossians 1:23-29
    23 if indeed you remain in the faith, established and firm, without shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard. This gospel has also been preached in all creation under heaven, and I, Paul, have become its servant.
    24 Now I rejoice in my sufferings for you, and I fill up in my physical body – for the sake of his body, the church – what is lacking in the sufferings of Christ.
    25 I became a servant of the church according to the stewardship from God – given to me for you – in order to complete the word of God,
    26 that is, the mystery that has been kept hidden from ages and generations, but has now been revealed to his saints.
    27 God wanted to make known to them the glorious riches of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
    28 We proclaim him by instructing and teaching all people with all wisdom so that we may present every person mature in Christ.
    29 Toward this goal I also labor, struggling according to his power that powerfully works in me.

      “The if with which verse 23 begins has been the occasion of much perplexity to timid souls who hardly dare to accept the truth of the believer’s eternal security, so conscious are they of their own weakness and insufficiency. But, rightly understood, there is nothing here to disturb any sincere believer in the Lord Jesus Christ. There are a number of similar ifs in the New Testament, and all with precisely the same object in view-the testing of profession. In 1 Corinthians 15:1-2 we read, “Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; by which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.” Here the if is inserted in order to exercise the consciences of any who, having professed to believe the gospel, are in danger of forgetting the message, so proving that they have never really received the truth into their hearts. He would have them carefully examine their foundations. Many there are who readily profess to adopt Christianity and unite themselves outwardly with the people of God, who have never truly turned to the Lord in repentance and rested their souls upon His finished work. Such endure for a time but soon forget the claims of the gospel when satanic allurements would draw them away.

      In Hebrews 3:6 we have another such if. “But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.” The meaning is plain. It is not enough to profess to have the Christian hope. Those who are real will hold fast unto the end, as we also read in 10:38-39 of the same epistle. Endurance is the proof of reality. What God implants in the soul is lasting, and we may be assured that He who hath begun a good work in any one will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ, the time when He shall come for His ransomed people to complete in glory what His grace began on earth.

      Paul did not pretend to say who of the Colossians were really born of God. While he had confidence that most of them were, he wrote in such a way as to stir up the consciences of any who were becoming slack. A readiness to adopt new and fanciful systems was a cause for grave concern. Those who are really children of God, grounded and strengthened in the truth, are not of the number who will be moved away from the hope of the gospel. They know too well what it has already done for them to lightly turn away from it to some new and untried theory.

      This gospel they had heard, as in the providence of God it had been preached in all the creation under heaven. This is probably a better translation than that of the King James Version. It is hardly thinkable that the apostle meant that every creature in the habitable earth had heard the gospel. But it is a wonderful testimony to the devotion of the early believers that even within one generation after our Lord’s ascension the evangel had been carried throughout the known world. Of this gospel Paul was made “minister.” The indefinite article does not really help. It only lends color to the idea which came in later, that the ministry is a special class to which all believers do not belong. The apostle is not claiming that he is a minister in the sense in which that term has been used in later years. He was one addicted to the work of the ministry. That is, the gospel had been committed to him by God whom he served, as he says elsewhere, with his spirit in the gospel of God’s Son. This gospel ministry has been committed to all believers, and Paul is a sharer with others in making the testimony known. But in a preeminent way it was given to him to reveal it. As preached by Paul, it bears the distinctive character of “the gospel of the glory,”

      Another ministry had also been given to him, even that of the assembly, the body of Christ. So he goes on to say that he rejoices in whatsoever he might be called upon to suffer on behalf of the people of God, as in doing this he was filling up what was lacking of the afflictions of Christ in his own flesh. That is true of every real servant of God. To such a one the people of the Lord will ever be precious. And he will realize that in serving them and enduring trial on their behalf he is ministering in place of his absent Lord. Christ suffered once for all on the cross to put away sin. His faithful servants suffer in fellowship with Him for the perfecting of the saints, “for His body’s sake, which is the church.” The more devoted one is to Christ’s interests down here, during His absence in heaven, the more one will enter into this phase of suffering. It is godly shepherd care that he has in mind, enduring affliction for the blessing of Christ’s beautiful flock.

      Of the church Paul was made minister according to the dispensation of God given to him on our behalf to complete the divine testimony or to fill up the Word of God. The whole counsel of God was not made known until Paul received this revelation of the mystery. This dispensation, or stewardship (for the two words are exactly the same in Greek), he unfolds more fully elsewhere, noticeably in the epistle to the Ephesians, which, as previously intimated, is the correlative to that to the Colossians. It was a special revelation given not to the Twelve, but to him as the apostle of the new dispensation. He goes on with this theme in the verses that follow.” — Dr Harry Ironside

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  • Jack

    I would be curious if anyone on here has attended the passion conference or services with Louie Giglio? There is a lot of close-minded ideas going on here, on both sides of this debate. I am a firm believe in the word of God. God does not cause confusion, however this whole debate is quite confusing. I have seen direct results and spiritual growth through Louie Giglio. I have seen youth accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior at worship services with Louie Giglio. The reason i know they are true statements of faith is because i have seen a transformation from their old “dead” life to their new Christ Following, God loving, forgiven life. These individuals have become witnesses in local communities and help share the Biblical word of Christ and the gospel. I’m not one to say one way or another but i can tell you the fruits i have seen from Louie Giglio’s ministries have been all good. While some comments or presentations may rub people the wrong way, i don’t know how you can deny physical evidence of God’s transformations. If your getting caught up on how he sells books, raises money, or is raising money against slavery, i am sorry, but your missing the point. No one can judge his heart, and it could all be a show for him to make money, i seriously doubt. If it is the case though, i can confidently say people have came to know Christ through his ministry regardless of motives. I will not pretend to know it all, as Christians we never know it all and continue to grow, so there is no need to lash out with comments containing a hidden agenda. Just my thoughts, take it or leave it. Just wanted to comment on seeing direct result from the preaching of Louie Giglio. If you question those changed lives then you question the power of Jesus Christ and His ability to use any situation for his Glory. God is so powerful, so amazing, and yet He allows us to choose to accept Him, Jesus Christ is love and salvation (Without Him there is not point).

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Jack…

    Is this biblical? Is this driving children towards Jesus Christ or towards Satan?
    Beth Moore, John Piper leads the Youth into Lectio Divina at Louie Giglio Passion’s Conference 2012

  • Jack

    Definitely biblical. All reflections are showing the love of Jesus Christ and complete rejection of Satan. Its amazing the growth, through scripture, these young people have accomplished with Christ. True reflection of how a Christian should be striving to live. I know this transformation is probably hard for you to understand. The best part is…They know everything is done for the Glory of Jesus Christ and that their transformation is only possible by accepting Jesus Christ as their Lord and savior because they are sinners. Complete Gospel, Complete scripture based, cannot be denied. Don’t let closed mindedness limit our God and His power to truly change lives. If you are still in question: i would have to ask how you know you are not serving Satan in leading this confusion? I would follow by saying how am i to judge that and you are the only one that really knows your heart and your personal relationship with Jesus Christ. So quick to analyze every word and take things so literally make me question where your faith lies and what god you serve. Its a scary thought that a person so scripturally sound, as yourself, could be a person leading a false and confusing ministry. I am not saying any of that is true, and all have personal relationship that speaks to them, not literally, through scripture! Unless you can read Louie Giglio’s heart, the transformed youth/college age’s heart, and those involved with the ministry’s heart, you could falsely be leading people astray through your misinterpretations and confusing analysis of every little word. If you are still at question of if this is biblical then there are major issues, far beyond i had thought. If you question, transformation through Jesus Christ and the full acceptance that you are a sinner and had an unavoidable appointment with Hell until Jesus Christ came and gave his perfect blood so that you may be saved, then i would ask how you are biblical. I would also ask your definition of salvation.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Jack

    You think leading children into Lectio Davina (Mystical OCCULT Meditation) is Biblical? Well.. say no more…

    >> I know this transformation is probably hard for you to understand.

    I understand it just fine, YOU SAY IT’S HARD because it’s NOT BIBLICAL.

    >> Don’t let closed mindedness limit our God and His power to truly change lives.

    I will close my mind to the workings of Satan and Louie Giglio and friends. You are leading Children to HELL and you will be held accountable for the blood on your hands.

    >> If you are still in question: i would have to ask how you know you are not serving Satan in leading this confusion? I would follow by saying how am i to judge that and you are the only one that really knows your heart and your personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

    You are leading the CONFUSION, not me. You sound like a spirit of Satan speaking to me right now. You have no right to judge my salvation. I know that I AM BORN AGAIN, A SINNER, forgiven by Jesus Christ the SON OF GOD, washed by His PRECIOUS BLOOD, made spotless that I can stand before God made whole. A new CREATURE in Jesus Christ. As a child of God, I follow the Bible, I OBEY IT”S COMMANDMENTS, I obey the Holy Spirit ABIDING in me, HE CONVICTS ME, I LISTEN. I REPENT. That is my relationship with Jesus Christ – wonderful, glorious. He is my KING, MY SAVIOUR and I will NOT be derailed by YOU into following false doctrine.

    >> So quick to analyze every word and take things so literally make me question where your faith lies and what god you serve.

    Yes it’s called TESTING THE SPIRITS as per 1 John 4:1-6 and it shows I serve JESUS CHRIST the Son of God :)

    >> Its a scary thought that a person so scripturally sound, as yourself, could be a person leading a false and confusing ministry.

    It’s a scary thought that I am speaking to Satan right now…

    >> Unless you can read Louie Giglio’s heart, the transformed youth/college age’s heart, and those involved with the ministry’s heart, you could falsely be leading people astray through your misinterpretations and confusing analysis of every little word.

    The OBJECT is to FOLLOW the GOSPEL TRUTH Jack, and if you stray from it then you are NOT a genuine believer but a PROFESSING believer. There are many who claim they are Christian but are WOLVES in sheeps clothing like yourself and Louie Giglio and Fransis Chan etc. Leading children to hell! Preaching a FALSE GOSPEL that is NOT MENTIONED in the BIBLE.

    >> If you are still at question of if this is biblical then there are major issues, far beyond i had thought.

    My issue is that you are preaching a false doctrine, occult teaching to children, leading them to HELL! You ARE MURDERING CHILDREN.

    >> If you question, transformation through Jesus Christ and the full acceptance that you are a sinner and had an unavoidable appointment with Hell until Jesus Christ came and gave his perfect blood so that you may be saved, then i would ask how you are biblical.

    The TERM TRANSFORMATION is NOT BIBLICAL – IT STANDS FOR SOMETHING OTHER THAN JUST GETTING SAVED. Children are being led to accept a FALSE CHRIST and a FALSE TRANSFOMRATION takes place.

    >> I would also ask your definition of salvation.

  • Robbie

    “Louie Giglio is currently under a great deal of fire in some quadrants of the evangelical world for his controversial association with New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) leader Bill Johnson and a music group/ministry called Jesus Culture.
    The question must be asked: Does Lou Giglio share Bill Johnson’s beliefs about the endtimes, which dovetail with the heretical teachings of the NAR and IHOP?”
    (http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2013/01/12/louie-giglio-to-deliver-benediction-at-president-obamas-inauguration-then-withdraws/)

    Is it that difficult to distinguish white from black Jack?

  • Carolyn

    Jack, if we’re judging by transformations, good works, results and relationships to tell us if some ministry outreach is developing genuine faith, the ads and the efforts are endless and they just get bigger and better. For example, here are some such ads I am seeing on the news every day… “Catholics Come Home”, ads being blitzed in the Fraser Valley, Canada. I see them as a shameless promotion of good works in order to proselytize. What are the real motives behind charity and benevolence? Adding numbers to their failing attendance.

    http://www.globaltvbc.com/video/expensive+catholic+church+ad+campaign/video.html?v=2324299299#stories

    Transformation, passion, ecumenism, building bridges to good works, joining together for interfaith and one world unity and peace? These are all things that can be marketed by any religious enterprise, and are being used by Satan to unify the world into a one world false religion.

    Genuine faith cannot be marketed. So whatever is being driven by occult manifestations and seducing spirits will not lead to genuine faith. Birds of a feather flock together…is still true. That means that since Lou Giglio is flocking with the NAR prophets, would he not then be considered a NAR species, or at least on his way to becoming one? You know the old saying that goes with this…if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck…then it’s probably a duck. Here’s some more insight.

    http://herescope.blogspot.ca/2013/01/the-significance-of-youth-filled.html

  • milo

    NO, Andy, the lake of fire is not eternal torment – the term in Revelation represents eternal death for those who reject the creator. Most of Revelation is symbolic. No it’s not plain and clear and it’s not from the Bible – NONE of the scriptures support this doctrine. The hell-fire doctrine came into being by the pagan religions. You are right that nobody has to be there, and nobody will be there.

    …..and Jesus wants everybody in heaven – according to the Bible, the larger number of people will live on earth with Jesus being their King under God’s heavenly kingdom. There will be 144,000 from mankind who will go to heaven and be co-rulers with Jesus over mankind on earth.

    Following some scriptures and thoughts for you to consider regarding the hell-fire doctrine:

    The word “hell” is found in many Bible translations. In the same verses different translations read “the grave,” “the World of the dead,” and so forth. Other Bibles simply transliterate the original language words that are sometimes rendered “hell”; that is, they express them with the letters of our alphabet, but leave the words untranslated. What are those words? The Hebrew she’ohl’ and its Greek equivalent hai’des, which refer, not to an individual burial place, but to the common grave of dead mankind; also the Greek ge’enna, which is used as a symbol of eternal destruction. However, both in Christendom and in many non-Christian religions it is taught that hell is a place inhabited by demons and where the wicked, after death, are punished (and some believe that this is with torment).

    Eccl. 9:5, 10: “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all. All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol, the place to which you are going. (If they are conscious of nothing, they obviously feel no pain.)

    Ps. 146:4: “His spirit goes out; he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts do perish.”

    Eccl. 18:4 The soul that is sinning – it itself will die.

    The concept of ‘soul,’ meaning a purely spiritual, immaterial reality, separate from the ‘body,’ … does not exist in the Bible.

    According to the King James Version, Jesus was in hell after he died. Do you think Jehovah, his father, would put his only begotten son in a place of torment? My Bible renders that term “Ha’des,” which is correct. It simply means “death.” He was dead for three days before he was resurrected.

    God told Adam in Gen: 3:19 that he was taken from the ground and that dust he was and to dust he will return. Eternal and lasting death was his punishment for being disobedient to his creator his creator – not eternal torment in some fire pit.

    Rev: 20:13,14 talks about the sea and death and hell (hades) delivering up the dead in them. Notice that death and hell or hades is thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is symbolic for the second death or everlasting death, a death from which there is no chance of being resurrected.

    1 Thess 1:9 and Matt 25:46 those who do not accept God and obey him will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction.

    Romans 6:23 says the wages sin pays is death – not eternal punishment.

    Romans 6:7 says he who has died has been acquitted from his sin. Death, not eternal punishment, is the penalty for sin.

    What would you think of a parent who held his child’s hand over a fire to punish the child for wrong-doing? “God is love.” (1 John 4:8) Would he do what no right-minded human parent would do? Certainly not!

    The hell fire doctrine is not found in the Bible, and the churches who teach this doctrine claim the demons will also be in this fiery abyss and will be the tormentors of humans thrown in there. How much sense does that make? Especially since Revelation talks about Satan and his demons being destroyed with everlasting death. Satan is the one responsible for all badness and wickedness. Why would a loving and just God allow him to continue living and tormenting?

    Psalms 37:9-11 is just one of the many scriptures in the Bible that shows the evildoers will be cut off and the ones hoping in God will possess the earth. When Jesus was on earth, his message was about God’s Kingdom and how it would bring blessings to mankind. God created mankind to live forever on this earth without dying, but Adam and Eve sinned and we inherited that sin, which is why we grow old, get sick, and die. True Christens are foot-step followers of Christ and share the same message with people that he did. That is what God wants us to be doing. The hell-fire doctrine is a lie and Satan is responsible for spreading that lie. Lies about Jesus and God alienate people from them and that’s what Satan wants. He challenged Jehovah’s right to rule people from the beginning when he lied to Eve in the Garden of Eden. Jehovah will destroy him and all his demons, and his faithful ones will see his purpose fulfilled and see their loved ones resurrected back to earth and given a chance for everlasting life. So we all have a choice to make. We can choose Jehovah, the almighty creator, and have everlasting life, or we can side with Satan and his wicked lies, and be cut off from life eternally.

  • milo

    Deborah, You don’t have to defend yourself against Jack. Yes, he is scary and his ramblings make no sense. It’s obvious he has not read the Gospel accounts, or if he has, he didn’t get it. I finally listened to the Louie Giglio DVD that a friend loaned to me. The guy is total slime. What few scriptures he quoted were misrepresented. He didn’t give the verses and it was hard to figure out which scriptures he was citing, because he totally changed the wording. I find it incredible that people will just sit there and accept what he says without opening their Bibles. He is using pure emotion to get to people and to get them to empty their pockets. I Googled him and he is making millions, if not billions, from his books, movies, DVDs, and tours. There is absolutely nothing said on his DVD about God’s Kingdom and what that Kingdom will do for mankind, nor about Jesus being the king of that Kingdom. A true Christen follows Jesus example and Giglio does even come close.

  • milo

    Does NOT even come close.

  • Redeemed

    Milo, Jesus did not go into hell, Satan’s domain after His death. This is a false teaching given by people such as Joyce Meyer. He went into the bosom of Abraham.

    And there IS a literal lake of fire. You must take up the argument with our Lord Jesus Himself because He spoke of it often. And take the story of the rich man and Lazarus – the man begged to let his family know that he would be grateful for just a drop of water!

    Are you an anniliationist? Hell is a real, literal place and the Bible says so.

    Mark 9:43, 48 Luke 16:19-31 Revelation 21:8; 14:11

    I am sure that others can do an even better job of presenting this.

  • Carolyn

    @Milo. Re Comment #52: This is the kind of teaching I was listening to in the 7th Day Adventist seminars. They taught soul sleep and that the dead would be ashes under our feet, etc. No hell…. At the time, I wanted to believe THAT new doctrine, because it takes the sting out of death and judgement. But the lake of fire is a real place…read carefully…

    Revelation 20:13-15
    King James Version (KJV)
    13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
    14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
    15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

    1 Corinthians 15:55-57
    King James Version (KJV)
    55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
    56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
    57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

    The good news, Milo, is that there is no more sting for us who believe/obey Jesus Christ as Saviour.

    The bad news is that if you don’t accept Christ as your victory over death, then the sting remains.

  • Jeff

    Hi Deborah:

    Can you teach us how to follow the Bible/God/Word of God/Jesus?

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Jeff

    09 – How to Become a Child of God

  • Justin

    Hmmm, I found this thread while doing some research on Giglio before showing any of his material to the youth group. Does anyone have any links to any doctrinal statement written by Giglio. PS lets always let our speach be “seasoned with grace”, no matter what the circumstances

  • Redeemed

    Response to Justin #59.

    Justin, you should pray long and hard before presenting Giglio’s material to young minds for which you are responsible.

    There are times when truth is spoken and it seems harsh, but we are to defend the faith for which our Lord suffered and died. It is like alerting someone of danger as a favor.

    As for Giglio’s doctrinal statement, it is not a reliable guideline. In many cases it is just window dressing to cloak the error lurking behind.

    If you do research on “Passion 2013” and the musical group Jesus Culture, you will find enough good reasons to avoid Giglio.

    I do not endorse this website because it is Calvinist, but that does not negate the collection of information on Giglio found here that I could not locate elsewhere done is such a comprehensive fashion.

    http://apprising.org/2013/01/02/louie-giglio-passion-2013-and-jesus-culture/

    Our holy God hates error and anything that distorts His Word – why should we not feel the same way while separating the sin from the sinner?

  • JM

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Jean,

    When you are finished send it my way and I shall post it. :)

    Louie Giglio doesn’t prey on children. If it is anyone. That is you. I know Louie Giglio personally, and the church he pastors is full of people ages 1-80 there are plenty of adults who follow Louie. I believe your being prideful about what he does.

  • Redeemed

    JM wrote:

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
    Jean,
    When you are finished send it my way and I shall post it. :)Louie Giglio doesn’t prey on children. If it is anyone. That is you. I know Louie Giglio personally, and the church he pastors is full of people ages 1-80 there are plenty of adults who follow Louie. I believe your being prideful about what he does.

    Please answer this question:

    Would you send anyone to Passion 2013?

    Do you advocate the music group “Jesus Culture”?

    Did you investigate the information I posted? If not here it is again:

    I do not endorse this website because it is Calvinist, but that does not negate the collection of information on Giglio found here that I could not locate elsewhere done is such a comprehensive fashion.

    http://apprising.org/2013/01/02/louie-giglio-passion-2013-and-jesus-culture/

    Our holy God hates error and anything that distorts His Word – why should we not feel the same way while separating the sin from the sinner?

    When you have done so, then you will be qualified to comment. Otherwise you are just giving your opinion.

  • Ben

    It looks to me that milo is a Jehovah’s Witness with how he describes the reason that hell and the lake of fire do not exist. His comments are almost word for word from some JW sites I have found and quickly identified them as such.

    milo wrote:

    NO, Andy, the lake of fire is not eternal torment – the term in Revelation represents eternal death for those who reject the creator. Most of Revelation is symbolic. No it’s not plain and clear and it’s not from the Bible – NONE of the scriptures support this doctrine. The hell-fire doctrine came into being by the pagan religions. You are right that nobody has to be there, and nobody will be there.
    …..and Jesus wants everybody in heaven – according to the Bible, the larger number of people will live on earth with Jesus being their King under God’s heavenly kingdom. There will be 144,000 from mankind who will go to heaven and be co-rulers with Jesus over mankind on earth.
    Following some scriptures and thoughts for you to consider regarding the hell-fire doctrine:
    The word “hell” is found in many Bible translations. In the same verses different translations read “the grave,” “the World of the dead,” and so forth. Other Bibles simply transliterate the original language words that are sometimes rendered “hell”; that is, they express them with the letters of our alphabet, but leave the words untranslated. What are those words? The Hebrew she’ohl’ and its Greek equivalent hai’des, which refer, not to an individual burial place, but to the common grave of dead mankind; also the Greek ge’enna, which is used as a symbol of eternal destruction. However, both in Christendom and in many non-Christian religions it is taught that hell is a place inhabited by demons and where the wicked, after death, are punished (and some believe that this is with torment).
    Eccl. 9:5, 10: “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all. All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol, the place to which you are going. (If they are conscious of nothing, they obviously feel no pain.)
    Ps. 146:4: “His spirit goes out; he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts do perish.”
    Eccl. 18:4 The soul that is sinning – it itself will die.
    The concept of ‘soul,’ meaning a purely spiritual, immaterial reality, separate from the ‘body,’ … does not exist in the Bible.
    According to the King James Version, Jesus was in hell after he died. Do you think Jehovah, his father, would put his only begotten son in a place of torment? My Bible renders that term “Ha’des,” which is correct. It simply means “death.” He was dead for three days before he was resurrected.
    God told Adam in Gen: 3:19 that he was taken from the ground and that dust he was and to dust he will return. Eternal and lasting death was his punishment for being disobedient to his creator his creator – not eternal torment in some fire pit.
    Rev: 20:13,14 talks about the sea and death and hell (hades) delivering up the dead in them. Notice that death and hell or hades is thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is symbolic for the second death or everlasting death, a death from which there is no chance of being resurrected.
    1 Thess 1:9 and Matt 25:46 those who do not accept God and obey him will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction.
    Romans 6:23 says the wages sin pays is death – not eternal punishment.
    Romans 6:7 says he who has died has been acquitted from his sin. Death, not eternal punishment, is the penalty for sin.
    What would you think of a parent who held his child’s hand over a fire to punish the child for wrong-doing? “God is love.” (1 John 4:8) Would he do what no right-minded human parent would do? Certainly not!
    The hell fire doctrine is not found in the Bible, and the churches who teach this doctrine claim the demons will also be in this fiery abyss and will be the tormentors of humans thrown in there. How much sense does that make? Especially since Revelation talks about Satan and his demons being destroyed with everlasting death. Satan is the one responsible for all badness and wickedness. Why would a loving and just God allow him to continue living and tormenting?
    Psalms 37:9-11 is just one of the many scriptures in the Bible that shows the evildoers will be cut off and the ones hoping in God will possess the earth. When Jesus was on earth, his message was about God’s Kingdom and how it would bring blessings to mankind. God created mankind to live forever on this earth without dying, but Adam and Eve sinned and we inherited that sin, which is why we grow old, get sick, and die. True Christens are foot-step followers of Christ and share the same message with people that he did. That is what God wants us to be doing. The hell-fire doctrine is a lie and Satan is responsible for spreading that lie. Lies about Jesus and God alienate people from them and that’s what Satan wants. He challenged Jehovah’s right to rule people from the beginning when he lied to Eve in the Garden of Eden. Jehovah will destroy him and all his demons, and his faithful ones will see his purpose fulfilled and see their loved ones resurrected back to earth and given a chance for everlasting life. So we all have a choice to make. We can choose Jehovah, the almighty creator, and have everlasting life, or we can side with Satan and his wicked lies, and be cut off from life eternally.

  • Cynde

    [Edited by DTW – Cynde, you quoted someone but you yourself did not actually say anything, so I am deleting your comment. Please comment again so we can understand you :) Thank you]

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