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Louie Giglio – Sometimes Silence is Loud

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louiegiglio Louie Giglio   Sometimes Silence is LoudAnd I have to agree with Louie Giglio, because this article below SCREAMS Contemplative Spirituality.

Not once is Jesus Christ the Son of God mentioned in this article.  Not once is repentance of sin mentioned in this article.  Not once is even salvation mentioned.  Just silence *ssshhhhhhh, not a sound*.

What is mentioned is:  silence, breath, contemplation, candlelit night walks, an eerie sense of anticipation, the presence and otherness of God that hung thick in the air, the scene was a little unnerving to onlookers, the idea was birthed out of a desire to see spiritual awakening, creating purpose in life, launching waves of renewal, fostering unity, breathing hope and carrying the vision to people everywhere, emotions sensed and hearts processed, that God’s greatness reflects in every facet of their lives.

Well… that’s Mysticism for you in a nutshell.

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LOUIE GIGLIO SAYS: SOMETIMES SILENCE IS LOUD

By Louie Giglio,   Date:  4/7/2005

Sometimes silence is louder than words, more powerful than any sound. That was certainly the case as over 11,000 college-aged young people converged on the corner of Fifth and Broadway in downtown Nashville on a January night in early 2005. Having exited fourteen smaller Community Group settings across the city, they walked in quiet contemplation as they returned to enter a candlelit late night worship gathering in the arena at the Gaylord Entertainment Center. I had encouraged them earlier in the night to return to the Gaylord without a sound, something that seemed problematic and unrealistic to some, but a challenge and unique opportunity the students eagerly embraced….

Considering the staggering grace and power of the cross of Christ, a hushed throng began to appear from every direction, filling the streets with an eerie sense of anticipation and reverence. Within minutes a crowd had gathered outside the main entrance to the arena, filling the wide esplanade and spilling over into the streets for blocks.

Officers on horseback looked on with stunned expressions. Bands in many of Nashville’s famed Broadway Street country bars ceased playing as partygoers curiously emptied into the streets to witness the rare and peculiar sight. Restaurant patrons did the same, leaving their meals to walk out among the quiet masses and investigate the silence.

Some students kneeled as they waited for the Arena doors to open. Others stood without uttering a sound, hands lifted in adoration and prayer. A sense of the presence and otherness of God hung thick in the air. And for a moment the heart of the city stood still.

I still heard onlookers and facility staffers talking about it days later. “We’ve seen twenty year olds party hard and crank up the volume,” one hotel employee commented, “but we’ve never seen kids this age that quiet before. It was incredibly cool and a little unnerving all at the same time.”

Such comments were not uncommon at Passion 05, a gathering of 18-25 year olds from all fifty states and several foreign nations that our Passion team hosted to usher in the New Year. The students and their leaders had descended on Nashville as a part of the Passion Movement for four days of worship, prayer and teaching centered on the greatness of God and His invitation to live for what is ultimate: His glory and His fame.

Birthed out of a desire to see spiritual awakening come to the 16 million college students in America, Passion emerged in 1996 as Shelley (my wife), myself and a small team set out to call this collegiate generation to a purpose in life much bigger than themselves. Inspired by a clear vision of what could be, we set our sites on Passion’s inaugural conference in January 1997. That gathering brought 2,000 students to Austin, TX, launching a wave of renewal that has reached campuses and churches around the world.

Rooted in the confession of Isaiah 26:8-Yes Lord, walking in the way of Your truth we wait eagerly for You, for Your name and renown are the desire of our souls-the Passion movement is forging a “268 Generation,” a generation living for His renown.

Widely known for OneDay gatherings in 2000 and 2003 that together united over 60,000 college students for solemn days of prayer and consecration, (we intentionally didn’t use the passion name on these gatherings to emphasize the unity they were designed to foster), we have had the humbling opportunity to be face to face with over half a million students during our Passion journey. Beyond that, God has impacted countless others through Passion Worship Projects and video/teaching resources that have carried the vision to people everywhere.

Recently, we were excited to host historic college-targeted Passion gatherings in the heart of Boston and New York City, breathing hope and encouragement in two of the nation’s collegiate hubs, two metro areas that combined are home to over 1.3 million college students. Offering free events made both outings huge steps of faith for us, but capacity crowds in Boston’s historic Orpheum Theater and Broadway’s Beacon Theater united the largest groups of college-aged people for worship in the recent history of both cities.

January 2005 found us in the heart of Nashville, returning to our four-day conference roots and hosting a gathering with teaching from Beth Moore, John Piper (and myself) and the music of, among others, Chris Tomlin, Charlie Hall, David Crowder Band and Matt Redman, artist/worshippers who have carried the heartbeat of Passion from the beginning. In large group settings in the Arena, Community Groups and smaller Family Groups (where each student could process what God was doing in their hearts), Passion 05 centered on the simple message of God’s goodness and glory-and His invitation to us to find joy in Him and our ultimate purpose in knowing and reflecting His greatness in every facet of our lives.

The conviction, emotion and surrender we sensed at Passion 05 are powerfully captured on the latest CD, PASSION: HOW GREAT IS OUR GOD. From the pulsing opening anthem from the David Crowder Band, “There Is No One Like You,” where over 11,000 voices echo the opening line, immediately jolting the listener with the raucous tone of much of Passion 05, to the raw and potent stripped down hymn classic “It Is Well With My Soul” from Shane and Shane that closes the 13 song disc, HOW GREAT IS OUR GOD, tells the story of a generation united for His renown.

The CD is amazing and God-breathed, and I can’t wait for the whole world to experience its power. But at the end of the day our loudest anthem might be the silence of that January night, and the echo of lives that reflect His glory.

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58 comments to Louie Giglio – Sometimes Silence is Loud

  • Yolandi

    Ive seen most of Giglio’s confrences and his silence and the emergent silence are two different things. I agree with you on most things Debs but Giglio is always word based and ive been to passion its more a way to bring praise to Jesus “become quiet and know that I am God”… If he hummed and bonged a drum I would be seriously worried but Ive seen interviews asking him about other religions and he always said that other religions cannot replace Jesus. He is aligned with John Piper and Piper is against contemplative prayer he has numerous articles on desiringgod.com urgeing people not to take part in contemplation.If it does come out that Giglio is emergent I will ask my friends to stop supporting passion…

    My mum and I went to see Sarel Vd Merwe and we brought the dvds there is def strange things happening in this world and we need to fight it.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Yolandi

    I know how you feel about Louie Giglio , I was the same in the beginning. I really liked him. So take it from me, what I am saying now is not due to lack of evidence. I will be posting more about him soon. John Piper and Louie Giglio and Mark Driscoll form part of what is called the ‘New Calvinists’. Giglio is dangerous – he isgood at preaching the world of God, he studied at southern baptist seminary – he is good looking, appeals to the youth big time. But he adds little things that are not at all biblical.

    Yes there are very very BAD things going on.

  • jean101

    I was also nearly caught by this Giglio Guy but in my spirit I could not find peace. I kept on looking for the problem until I was reminded again to go and look at his “method of operation” and BINGO, I hit pay dirt !!

    He uses prepares his audience by using awesome pictures, awesome music/sounds creating an atmosphere that manipulates emotions and lowers your cognitive defenses and then finally he “clobbers” you over and sweeps you doubts away with clever leading sentences/phrases and stories that takes your emotions on a joyride . . .

    I always maintain that the deception that we are seeing currently is just a shadow of the real Deceiver that is coming and we should now learn to discern this “shadow” so when the REAL BIG GUYS comes along we will be ready and spot and expose them straight away.
    Mat 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and display great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

    I personally think that time is very near when these current deceivers are going to look like “Pikaniens” when the real demon possessed deceivers start doing their “big” signs and wonders.
    These current “pikanies” are dangerous and yes, they do deceive many, but they are only just “preparing” the masses and giving us an opportunity to learn to discern properly.

    I have noticed how these deceivers are getting more and more slick as time goes on and it is getting “a little” more difficult to “catch them out”.

    Wonder why ??? ;-)

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Jean101

    >> He uses prepares his audience by using awesome pictures, awesome music/sounds creating an atmosphere that manipulates emotions and lowers your cognitive defenses and then finally he “clobbers” you over and sweeps you doubts away with clever leading sentences/phrases and stories that takes your emotions on a joyride . . .

    Exactly. I watched some of his videos and the hooooo’s and aaaahhhh’s really do take your focus off what he is really trying to say.

    And you are so right, they are getting more difficult to catch out. I have been following Giglio for a year now on and off …. waiting…patiently…for the time when he started to show his true colours.

    I’ve got another article on him which I will have up tomorrow morning. That one is riveting stuff, more riveting that his video of the human cell that looks like a cross. pffff…to think I of all people fell for that one. *hangs head in shame*. But it just goes to show that NOT ONE OF US are safe from deception and that is why we need to test and ground ourselves in the Word of God. Test everything and listen to the gentle voice of the Holy Spirit when he warns us.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Jean

    That methods of operation article you wrote received great reviews. So *hint hint* we would like more of that please lol ;)

  • GrowingandLearning

    “He uses prepares his audience by using awesome pictures, awesome music/sounds creating an atmosphere that manipulates emotions and lowers your cognitive defenses and then finally he “clobbers” you over and sweeps you doubts away with clever leading sentences/phrases and stories that takes your emotions on a joyride . .”

    So it’s evil of him to be a good speaker/preacher? And its evil to appeal to the emotions, eh? Comon.

    The original post by the owner of this website is a streeeetttch.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    GrowingandLearing

    >> So it’s evil of him to be a good speaker/preacher? And its evil to appeal to the emotions, eh?

    No it’s not evil to be a good speaker and preacher. But preaching contemplative spirituality is. Do you know what contemplative spirituality is?

  • GrowingandLearning

    “But preaching contemplative spirituality is. Do you know what contemplative spirituality is?”

    Yes. After much *contemplation* I don’t see where Louie Giglio is preaching it, even after having read your article(s). I think you’re projecting too much of your own meaning over what he is saying. But that’s that. Thanks for the articles anyway.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    GrowingandLearning

    Oh well… usually that’s what we are told. We are always over exaggerating until the truth really comes out. And even when the truth really comes out, only a handful listen.

  • GrowingandLearning

    Ok let’s pick this apart for you since you insist, although I’m probably sure it’s a waste of time as you’re going to reply in some irrelevant way. And I’m going to treat it in the same way you’ve treated this article and others – having an unhealthy dose of cynicism, taking things way out of context, projecting your own meanings over a sentence, and picking apart little words and sentences to prove a hopelessly invalid point.

    My tone in this reply is very cynical, but that’s just to show you what it feels like when people treat your writing the way you’ve treated theirs.

    I’ll address what you underlined:

    “Sometimes silence is louder than words, more powerful than any sound.”

    So genuine Christians must never be quiet, you say?

    “they walked in quiet contemplation as they returned to enter a candlelit late night worship gathering”

    So there is something evil about walking in quiet contemplation to a candlelit worship gathering where people gathered to worship the Lord?

    Next time your husband invites you to a candlelit dinner, I hope you tell him to douse out the candles as he may actually be inviting you to some emergent contemplative practice, by your reasoning.

    “I had encouraged them earlier in the night to return to the Gaylord without a sound”

    So maybe what, he should have encouraged them to have made a noise instead? Is noise now more holier than silence? lol.

    “Considering the staggering grace and power of the cross of Christ, a hushed throng began to appear from every direction, filling the streets with an eerie sense of anticipation and reverence”

    How convenient for you to have left out the ‘cross of Christ’ part in your underlining. The streets were filled with an eerie sense of anticipation and reverence? Oh dear, it must be horrible for people to have reverence for Christ by your reasoning.

    “kneeled as they waited for the Arena doors to open. Others stood without uttering a sound, hands lifted in adoration and prayer. A sense of the presence and otherness of God hung thick in the air”

    Do you believe the presence of God cannot and should not be felt? It looks like you have an issue with this. So they lifted hands in adoration and prayer? Oh dear, by your reasoning there is something incredibly evil about that.

    “and a little unnerving all at the same time.”

    Good. God is a god of judgement and grace. If people felt unnerved because of His presence, then good. They must realise that they are sinners and need God’s grace. But you seem to be under the impression that people should just feel fine and dandy when God’s around, regardless of whether they believe in Christ or not.

    “prayer and teaching centered on the greatness of God and His invitation to live for what is ultimate: His glory and His fame.”

    So prayer and teaching centred on the greatness of God and His invitation to live for His glory and fame is contemplative spirituality and a bad thing? This is why I ask: Do YOU know what contemplative spirituality is? Contemplative spirituality is about using techniques to find God and to achieve a type of union with him. It is focused inwards and often talks of the ‘otherness of God’ and how God is in everything. It is pantheistic. So now show where Giglio is pantheistic. Oh, you can’t.

    “emphasize the unity they were designed to foster”

    According to your logic, best you rip out the passages in the Bible which talk about unity, since clearly you have an issue with the word ‘unity’.

    “Birthed out of a desire to see spiritual awakening”

    Wow, even Spurgeon used to say this sort of thing. You got a problem with Spurgeon now too? What about Christians and reformers all over the ages who use the phrase ‘spiritual awakening.’ You’ve single handedly put every single other Christian in history on one side and you on another, and claimed that you alone are genuine while everyone else isn’t. Otherwise, what’s your beef with the phrase ‘spiritual awakening’?

    “generation to a purpose in life much bigger than themselves”

    Since when does contemplative spirituality teach people to look to a purpose in life much bigger than themselves? Oh yes, NEVER. It always commands you look INWARD. It’s all about the ‘inner heart’. It’s thoroughly inward looking. This is outward looking. By your reasoning, anyone who looks for a purpose in life much bigger than themselves is now emergent? Come now.

    “breathing hope ”

    Oh. My. Word. Did you just do a search for your favourite catch-phrases for contemplative spirituality and underline it or did you actually bother reading the context of this sentence and article? ‘Breathing hope’ is a common phrase, as common as ‘aching heart’. By your reasoning one should never use common phrases??

    “where each student could process what God was doing in their hearts”

    By underlining this phrase you’re basically saying that God processing something in someone’s heart is contemplative spirituality. Otherwise I don’t know why you underlined this. Oh dear. So God must not process and work in people’s hearts then? So where does he work? In your left foot or something?

    “His invitation to us to find joy in Him and our ultimate purpose in knowing and reflecting His greatness in every facet of our lives.”

    Why the heck this was underlined is a mystery to me. Really. It’s wrong to want to reflect God’s greatness?? So what are we, created in God’s image, meant to reflect? Our left feet? Come on.

    “conviction, emotion and surrender”

    So it’s not right to have conviction? It’s not right to have emotion? One shouldn’t surrender to God? So what is repentance if not surrendering to God? Looks to me like you have an issue with repentance, despite your claims.

    “loudest anthem might be the silence of that January night, and the echo of lives that reflect His glory”

    So you clearly have an issue with the words ‘loud’ (oh but I thought we were supposed to be loud, since silence is evil) ‘silence’ (well at least now you’re consistent) and lives that reflect God’s glory? (Because they should reflect our left feet instead).

    Here’s some contemplative spirituality emergent quotes for you. I’ll give you one guess as to who said these things:

    “We shall not be satisfied until there is a thorough awakening in this land. We did not raise the feeling in our own minds, and we do not desire to repress it. We do not believe it can be repressed; but others will feel the same heavenly affection, and will sigh and cry to God day and night until the blessing comes.

    “This is the sowing, this is the ploughing, this is the harrowing—may it go on to harvesting. I long to hear my brethren and sisters universally saying, “We are full of anguish, we are in agony till souls be saved.”

    “The cry of Rachel, “Give me children, or I die,” is the cry of your minister this day, and the longing of thousands more besides. As that desire grows in intensity a revival is approaching. We must have spiritual children born to Christ, or our hearts will break for the longing that we have for their salvation. Oh for more of these longings, yearnings, cravings, travailings! If we plead till the harvest or revival comes we shall partake in the joy of it.”

    “The glory which surrounds the ascended Lord should breathe hope into every believer’s breast.” (oh dear, they also used the phrase ‘breathe hope??)

    “Moreover, the Christian knows not only that there is this unity in design, but that there is a real union between Christ and all his people…. have you ever felt that unity to Christ?”

    There’s more where that came from.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    GrowingandLearing

    Oh finally. And no it’s not a waste of time. If it was a waste of time I would never have asked you.

    My tone in this reply is very cynical, but that’s just to show you what it feels like when people treat your writing the way you’ve treated theirs.

    And based on your cynical replies no one can take what you have said seriously. I asked you to explain to me WHAT Contemplative spirituality was. You have not done that. I asked you to go and research for yourself, but you have not done that.

    By your reply (which was not a waste of time) you have shown everyone who reads this blog that you are happy to follow new age teaching.

    There’s more where that came from.

    Oh I am sure there is, and it’s not biblical.

    I wont ask you again to explain yourself further, but if you feel you must, then go ahead, you are helping me explain to others how ‘christians’ are happy to side with false teaching. Anyhow you have said more than enough on this blog that explains what you believe and very clearly I might add.

    Thanks for your reply. Move on please, to other websites who will love your new found spirituality. Or don’t and continue exposing yourself and Louie Giglio for that matter. I am sure he is sincerily chuffed to know that those who follow him have no idea what the Word of God means. He is a great communicator after all as you first said. You would think he would have explained himself clearly.

    Maybe he has explained himself clearly? And you really do get that he preaches a false gospel. Hmmmm. Oh well, you will never know because you don’t want to go and find out for yourself. Please don’t come and ever tell me that I forced the gospel of Jesus Christ onto you.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    GrowingandLearing

    Oh btw, just incase you think Louie Gigliio knows nothing of all my articles, you think wrong. I have emailed his ministry – I didn’t get a reply but that’s pretty common. If you would like to just make sure he knows you are standing up for him, please please email him all my articles. And make sure you get an acknowledgement from them.

  • GrowingandLearning

    “Oh I am sure there is, and it’s not biblical.”

    Well Those quotes were from Charles Spurgeon. Are you saying he was New Age too?

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Growing and Learing

    I was not talking about your quotes. I am talking about your ENTIRE cynical response which is what you stated your ENTIRE comment was about. So those quotes from you mean nothing because everything was a joke to you. Why don’t you quote scripture instead to back up that Contemplative Spirituality is biblical. Come on, give it a go…

  • GrowingAndLearning

    Nice way of avoiding…

    Are those quotes biblical or not? What about the fact that Spurgeon used the phrase “breathing hope”? Does the use of the phrase mean Spurgeon is new age now too? What about the other things he said?

    Please answer straight forwardly for a change.

  • Amanda

    GrowingAndLearning

    Please answer straight forwardly for a change.

    Allow me. Please compare

    “His invitation to us to find joy in Him and our ultimate purpose in knowing and reflecting His greatness in every facet of our lives.”

    with

    Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
    (Luke 24:45-47)

    In the quotes that you have provided, Spurgeon is shown as a man who took the Lord’s Words seriously. He proclaimed the Lord Jesus Christ and Him crucified to lost sinners. That New Agers / emergents have filled the old terms with new meanings, is hardly his fault. Read Spurgeon and the Down-Grade Controversy. Do you agree with Spurgeon’s statement:

    We fear it is hopeless ever to form a society which can keep out men base enough to profess one thing and believe another; but it might be possible to make an informal alliance among all who hold the Christianity of their fathers. Little as they might be able to do, they could at least protest, and as far as possible free themselves of that complicity which will be involved in a conspiracy of silence. If for a while the evangelicals are doomed to go down, let them die fighting, and in the full assurance that their gospel will have a resurrection when the inventions of “modern thought “shall be burned up with fire unquenchable.

  • GrowingandLearning

    Hi Amanda,

    Sure I can compare those two scriptures. I can also compare Giglio’s comment with other scriptures too, such as Psalm 16:11 —

    “You make known to me(A) the path of life; in your presence there is fullness of joy; at your right hand are pleasures forevermore.”

    Or, the Lord’s invitation(s) in the Bible for us to ‘taste and see’ that He is good and come to Him for rest and living water. In light of these, which are all invitations, I really don’t see how anything Giglio has said is not within Scriptural bounds and invitations.

    Yeah I agree with Spurgeon’s statement. I also agree with other statements he made at that link where he didn’t say ALL churches had down-graded, but the point was that there were many who had. Do you think ALL have strayed from the Lord in these days?

    Do you agree with Spurgeon’s method not to name names but rather address the issue of contention on a doctrinal level?

    As an aside, I would find a discernment website which teaches others to discern, rather than tries to discern for everyone itself, as a great tool. A site that says ‘look out for these things rather than look out for these people. You might notice that Paul or the apostles actually never mention the names of false teachers, they only refer to them. Once or twice they mention names of people they had a fall-out with or caused them hurt personally, but we never see them name actual names. In this I see Spurgeon followed the scriptural method. Do you agree?

  • Amanda

    GrowingandLearning

    I really don’t see how anything Giglio has said is not within Scriptural bounds and invitations.

    He said:

    and reflecting His greatness in every facet of our lives.

    I am doomed to failure before I even attempt to keep that one. What I can do is to proclaim Jesus Christ who did it on my behalf. When people look in wonder that a wretched sinner such as myself could be saved, then they get a glimpse of Jesus Christ’s greatness who died for His enemies.

    Do you think ALL have strayed from the Lord in these days?

    I think many Christians are fleeing the churches that have given up on the power of the Gospel and replaced it with their own ‘wisdom’.

    You might notice that Paul or the apostles actually never mention the names of false teachers, they only refer to them.

    From the article “Is It Right: To Judge, To Expose Error, & To Name Names?” By Pastor E.L. Bynum:

    III. It is Right To Name Names

    Many mistakenly believe that it is wrong to expose error and to name the guilty teachers; but they are wrong according to the Bible.

    Paul named Peter publicly. Peter was guilty of unscriptural practice. “But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed…But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?” (Galatians 2:11-14). The whole issue revolved around salvation by the law or by grace. When the integrity and purity of the gospel is at stake, then we have no choice when it comes to the matter of exposing error and naming names.

  • GrowingAndLearning

    “I am doomed to failure before I even attempt to keep that one. What I can do is to proclaim Jesus Christ who did it on my behalf. When people look in wonder that a wretched sinner such as myself could be saved, then they get a glimpse of Jesus Christ’s greatness who died for His enemies.”

    But if you knew what Giglio teaches in general you would know he agrees with you. We reflect God’s glory because the Holy SPirit lives in us because of God’s grace, Jesus, his death and resurrection, and so forth. In my opinion, you guys are nitpicking on a few articles and nitpicking is not discernment.

    As to naming names, Peter was not a false prophet or false teacher. He was in friendship and relationship with Paul, and they were ministering together. The example doesn’t work for you – you are not ministering with Giglio nor do you have a friendship with him.

    The Bible NT does not actually name the names of false teachers. Paul mentions how one guy caused them harm (who appears to have been in thei circle of friendship) and that’s about all. I’m sticking with Spurgeon on this one, you disagree with Spurgeon I see.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    GrowingAndLearning

    Ok seeing that you wont go to scripture to find the answer to your problem let me do it for you.

    Romans 16:17 “Mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.”
    Identify then and mark people that cause division and preach contrary to the word of God. Let others know and avoid them.

    I think if Paul and the rest of the desciples and apostles had to write down all the names of everyone in the bible he came across that were false there would have been another 1000 pages. But he did rebuke by name.

    Colossians 2:8
    “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.”

    Proverbs 27:5 “Open rebuke is better than secret love.”
    For the sake of the offending party and those under his influence, there are instances where open rebuke is called for instead of love that is hidden and withheld.

    Ephesians 5:11 “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove (EXPOSE) them.”
    When false teaching is discovered, it is to be exposed.

    “Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.” 1 Timothy 5:20
    It is a sin to condone and not expose deadly falsehoods propagated by leaders “who privily (secretly) shall bring in damnable heresies.” (2 Pet. 2:1) The divine purpose here is to identify and announce those who are marked for destruction so they don’t bring others with them.

    Isa. 58:1; Ezek. 33:7-9; 34:1-10; Acts 20:26-32; Gal. 1:6-9; 2 Tim. 2:17-18

    GrowingAndLearing, you have made it VERY clear that you refuse point blank to want to test and weigh Louie Giglio to the WORD OF GOD. That means take what he has said and go and open your BIBLE and test to see if ‘eerie feelings’ are biblical for instance. Did any onlookers get saved during this wonderful process of walking down the street in utter silence when they should have been preaching the gospel?

    Anyhow, you do what you want to do Growing and Learning. I am not here to force the gospel onto you, as I said before.

  • cecilia

    >>> GrowingandLearning, March 9th,”I would find a discernment website which teaches others to discern, rather than tries to discern for everyone itself”

    I have been searching all over the web in the beginning… there’s no such discernment site…
    but wait, isn’t Holy Spirit the one who teaches us to discern? or would we rather listen to a mere man, who themselves make mistakes and cover-ups etc.?
    so when one finds a page that suites your taste, will it be proper discernment or a compromising business?
    just asking…

  • Jeanne

    Discernment is a gift of the Spirit , and as such should be used for the benefit of the church.

  • Lori Ann

    Several months worth of comments have been posted about a man who so clearly loves Jesus, and has devoted his life to leading young people to do the same. Isnt there a better use of all the time exhausted here? What do you think Jesus is thinking as he reads your thoughts, which you have chosen to share? I believe the Holy Spirt is doing amazing things through Louie Giglio. He isn’t leading anyone astray, he is leading them straight to Christ. I’ll sign off now and spend some time praying for everyone engaging in this debate, more specifically those who engaged in this in an effort to impress or “one-up” each other. Bashing someone for the way they deliver the Word of God is just sad.

  • Elmarie A

    Lori Ann

    This is not a debate site it is a Discernment site do you know what that is?

    Read your Bible about testing all things to see whether they proceed from God.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Lori

    Several months worth of comments have been posted about a man who so clearly loves Jesus, and has devoted his life to leading young people to do the same. Isnt there a better use of all the time exhausted here? What do you think Jesus is thinking as he reads your thoughts, which you have chosen to share? I believe the Holy Spirt is doing amazing things through Louie Giglio. He isn’t leading anyone astray, he is leading them straight to Christ. I’ll sign off now and spend some time praying for everyone engaging in this debate, more specifically those who engaged in this in an effort to impress or “one-up” each other. Bashing someone for the way they deliver the Word of God is just sad.

    Several months worth of comments have been posted about a man who so clearly loves Jesus, and has devoted his life to leading young people to do the same. Isnt there a better use of all the time exhausted here? What do you think Jesus is thinking as he reads your thoughts, which you have chosen to share? I believe the Holy Spirt is doing amazing things through Louie Giglio. He isn’t leading anyone astray, he is leading them straight to Christ. I’ll sign off now and spend some time praying for everyone engaging in this debate, more specifically those who engaged in this in an effort to impress or “one-up” each other. Bashing someone for the way they deliver the Word of God is just sad.

    What ever you do, when you pray, just don’t silence yourself and meditate as you try experience God in a deeper way. Just pray normally. Thanks

  • Dave

    http://redemptionstory.wordpress.com/2008/03/22/145/

    I’ve just come across this website on this article searching about Louie Giglio, he is leading people to Christ. i wonder if you have heard this story in the link i posted.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Dave

    I’ve just come across this website on this article searching about Louie Giglio, he is leading people to Christ.

    Which Christ?

  • Koos

    Deborah

    You have your eyes so fixed on heaven, that you don’t see what your hands do on earth.
    That is to cling to the earth not to fall to heaven.

    Your posts and comments on Louie is not even worth quoting you choose them selectively from a few articles.
    You are so trapped in a dead orthodoxy it is unreal. I challenge you to watch “To Tell the truth” or “The other side of grace” and then give your comment.
    Your last comment on the 18 July:Which Christ? is answered the article: “Considering the staggering grace and power of the cross of Christ”
    But I suppose there was more than one Christ crucified?. You are so pushing your own agenda that you must missed it as you say: “not once is Jesus Christ the Son of God mentioned in this article”

    You should also start to focus on Charles Spurgeon, he also must have been part of the ‘New Calvinists’.
    I quote him from “Joy in Christ’s presence”Open Library OL693667M;ISBN 10 0883680181
    Page 9. I remember well when God first visited me……. He continue and say things like: P 12 How can I describe this manifestations of the Lord. P13 I believe in the true and real presence of Jesus with His People.

    You should definitely classify it also as “Mysticism”

    You say:”When people look in wonder that a wretched sinner such as myself could be saved, then they get a glimpse of Jesus Christ’s greatness who died for His enemies”

    Don’t forget that God put us on earth to do the good works that He prepared for us. I cannot believe that you can find joy from tearing other people apart and believe that is the good works prepared for you.

    This is my first and only writing to you as only the Spirit of Living God can change you.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Koos

    Your comment is so wrong in so many ways.

    You have your eyes so fixed on heaven, that you don’t see what your hands do on earth.
    That is to cling to the earth not to fall to heaven

    I am sorry if my focus on Jesus Christ upsets you.

    You are so trapped in a dead orthodoxy it is unreal.

    Dead orthodoxy? So Christianity is dead… really…

    “Don’t forget that God put us on earth to do the good works that He prepared for us.” ??

    Good works? Really? That’s new… I know we are to preach the gospel…but good works.. well…

    This is my first and only writing to you as only the Spirit of Living God can change you.

    Thank goodness, Don’t comment again… I won’t approve it.

  • Elmarie A

    Koos wrote:

    Deborah

    You have your eyes so fixed on heaven, that you don’t see what your hands do on earth.
    That is to cling to the earth not to fall to heaven.

    You have no idea what this blog is about take some time and read Koos. We will pray for you.

  • Elmarie A

    Koos wrote:

    Don’t forget that God put us on earth to do the good works that He prepared for us.

    Wrong Koos God created man to worship Him read your Bible please!

  • disillusioned

    what do you think about evangelists who don’t care about the salvation of their own families?

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    disillusioned

    What do you mean? Is the family member rebellious and does not want to know about Jesus and it seems as though the evangelist does not care, or does the evangelist himself really not care about his family in general or is his ministry more important than his family? Lastly, it’s not up to the evangelist to save his family. He can do as much as he can, the rest is on each individual to turn to Jesus or not. Anyhow, can you explain in more detail.

  • disillusioned

    My friend told me she was excited to meet this guy in her family who is supposedly this wonderful pastor and he was just not friendly at all. None of her family goes to church and they are mostly unsaved. She was amazed that he made no attempt talk to anyone he didn’t already know well. I felt the same way when I met the pastor of this large church I’ve been going to. He’s so charismatic in the pulpit but didn’t seem interested in meeting me at all. I’m not trying to judge, I am a fairly new christian and I’m trying to learn. I am trying to read the Bible and let the holy spirit help me to discern. There is just something that doesn’t seem right and somehow I ended up on this site. I have no idea of what contemplative prayer is, and I’m probably out of my element here.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    dissillusioned

    We live in a terrible world were there is a good possibility that 9 out of 10 people you meet will be mean, nasty, self righteous, etc… oh and I’m just talking about the ones who call themselves Christians. No really, this is not a joke. Do not be disillusioned, I know it’s difficult, but you are going to have to get used to it because it’s only going to get worse and worse and worse. We are living in the very end times, we are so close to the start of the tribulation that it’s not even funny. Now listen to me, and this is important. You need to stop worrying about these men who call themselves pastors, they are bloated men made rich off your money who actually really don’t care about your salvation. The only one who cares about you is Jesus, the other person who cares about this situation is YOU. You ain’t gonna learn the truth from the church you go to that is for sure, their sermons are worldly with no substance. You need MEAT, and the only way you are gonna get that is to study the Word of God yourself. Now this is what I said to someone yesterday…

    “Regarding reading material. Stick to reading your bible. If you wanna learn the fun way, throw yourself into the deep end. Put your bible on the table, get a pencil and a eraser and a note book, or do it on a pc, either way. Then when you go to websites and they tell you about things and give scripture, open your bible and go and read the verse they give, THEN – read the entire passage around that verse and see what that verse REALLY means. That way you will learn very quickly who is lying to you :) As you go of course you will learn more and more and ask more and more questions. Those questions, go and look for the answers on the internet and let the Holy Spirit guide you the ENTIRE way. If you think there is something wrong, it’s because the Holy Spirit is warning you that there is definitely something wrong. That is the best crash course in Holy Spirit Bible Learning there is :) Yes, it’s gonna take you a long time, but if you have the desire (because the Holy Spirit in your life is pushing you to WANT to do this) then you are gonna love every minute of it. Make sense? That is how I learnt when I got saved and believe me it was not that long ago.”

    You say you dunno what contemplative prayer is, well learn, it’s that simple. If you want to protect yourself and have the Holy Spirit open your eyes to what has been going on around you then you will take control of your life now by the power of Jesus Christ and stop relying on others to help you. Others are only going to show you the wrong way.

  • disillusioned

    Thanks. I’ve been doing just that and I’ve already learned so much I even found my pastor on the internet. I’m sad that I’ve ignored those little warning signs for so long. The last 2 Bible studies I’ve done have been Beth Moore. I knew something wasn’t right, but it didn’t occur to me to go to the internet. Now I know. I’m diving in. We’re not going back to the church of shiny happy people. Thanks for your sound advice. I’m starting to realize that disillusionment is really caring about the wrong things.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    disillustioned

    Phew, ok. Good. lol. Any questions, just shout. Yay!

  • Although I hear your heart in this Deb, and you woul rather be totally sure than risk ‘deviating to the left or to the right’ I do feel that perhaps you are overcautious.

    We are called to be watchmen on the wall and you have done so by raising a potential concern but having listened to Louis’ talks I find nothing deceptive but rather I see a man awe struck by a God he can’t box into man made parameters and daring to ‘walk out on the water’.

    As you said there may come a time when he walks to far but we have to trust that our overwhelmingy awesome Lord and Saviour has what it takes to correct his son in time.

    Let’s not let the world steal Biblical words like contemplation and meditation from us – they are used in the Bible as times of being awe struck by His Majesty… followed by time of joyful abandon in Him!

    Lets both meditate silently and reverently on Jesus and His Word but also sing our joy at his love and mercy from the roof tops… He’s not scared by silence or noise – He created both :)

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Shane

    It’s apparent you have NO ideas what Contemplative spirituality is. If you do not understand what Contemplative Spirituality is, then I suggest you make it a task to find out, for your OWN SOUL’S SAFETY.

    Louie Giglio was mentored by John Piper who has just recently become best friends with Rick Warren (Mr. Ecumenical). Mark Driscoll is also on board with John Piper who is very much into mysticism, meditation. Breathing techniques etc, which Louie Giglio writes about in his book Breath.

    Make sure you REALLY do understand WHICH type of meditation they are promoting. Plain simple prayer or contemplative meditation.

    I’ve studied, read his books and I listened to his associate pastors preach and I know for a FACT that YOU think too highly of these men you call pastors…. I call them deceivers.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    College kids feeling passion for conference

    By Steve Almasy, CNN

    The Passion conference is more than just a huge gathering of college-age kids, organizers say. the recent Atlanta conference was a call for the next generation to make Jesus a focal point in their lives and to share that passion with others, they said.

    “Church was never meant to be an island of self-indulgence, but a missional community of Jesus-followers so in love with Him that they can do nothing else but carry His name to the world,” pastor Louie Giglio said in an e-mail this week.

    The event drew more than 22,000 students to the Georgia capital’s convention center and to Philips Arena. It was even more successful than Giglio had hoped for.

    “It is truly inspiring to see a generation that is so hungry for an authentic encounter with Jesus … one that exchanges consumer-driven Christ for Christ-centered obedience,” said Giglio.

    One of the main spots at the conference, a convention floor full of booths for 10 carefully selected charities that the Passion movement works with throughout the year. The call went out to the college kids to spend time at the exhibits and find one that moved them.

    On a Monday night, the third of a four-day event, thousands of kids dressed in t-shirts and jeans weaved their way through the exhibits. They took brochures and enthusiastically chatted as volunteers explained what each cause was about.

    The stereotype is that college kids never have much money, but these kids dug deep. Some even brought in containers filled with money they had raised or saved.

    Some donated what little money they had, some brought material goods, many gave from there hearts, officials said. Every charitable goal was surpassed, not by a little but by a lot.

    The goal was to raise $500,000 for the charities, but after the conference, Do Something Now, the fundraising campaign of the Passion Conferences, announced that it had raised $1.1 million for Compassion International, Hope International, Haiti Transformed, International Justice Mission, Bibles Unbound, World Made Flesh, Joint Aid Management, Cure International, Living Water International, and the Atlanta Mission and City of Refuge (kids brought socks and towels for the homeless).

    Giglio says it is compelling to see 18- to 22-year-olds giving to the causes that matter most.

    “The fact that 22,000 university-aged young people would journey to Atlanta and gather for the name of Jesus is staggering in and of itself,” he wrote. “But the fact that, as a result of His grace in their lives, they would pool their resources to the tune of $1.1 million to fund 10 local and global causes signifies a massive shift.”

    Students got to hear from pastor John Piper, who returned from an eight-month leave of absence, Francis Chan, and Beth Moore. The students sat intently, many taking notes, writing down the references to scripture passages. Afterward, they left, so moved barely a word was uttered.

    They also were treated to warm up music from Chris Tomlin and his fellow artists on the sixstepsrecords label. The resulting live album (yet to be titled) will be released March 8. Last year’s CD went to No. 1 on the Christian charts and featured the radio single “Our God.”

    A second Passion event is scheduled for April 1 in Fort Worth, Texas. Tickets are still available, a spokesperson said. http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/11/college-kids-feeling-passion-for-conference/

    ———————

    Students got to hear from John Piper who was out during those 8 months making best friends with Rick Warren who is NOW doing this: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2011/01/12/rick-warren-a-new-age-prescription-for-your-health/ WARNING!!!

  • Jenn

    I understand what contemplative spirituality is. However, I’m not sure why you feel the above mentioned article is supporting that just because it states that they walked in quiet contemplation. The definition of contemplation is involving or given to deep silent prayer or religious meditation. David spoke of meditation often in Psalms. It was also mentioned in Genisis, and Joshua. Meditation on God is not a bad thing. It’s when the focus is off God that there is a need for concern. Just the use of contemplation does not make the above an example of contemplative spirituality. The Passion conference’s purpose is to assist college aged students who feel that they are called to do missions or ministry. Perhaps the article didn’t mention salvation because the audience were of those already saved and preparing to go out unto the world to spread God’s word.

    Can you provide me with some examples in which Louis Giglio has taught something that didn’t line up with the word? I’m open to hearing about it and not discrediting your argument other than that you haven’t really provided any proof of misleading. I’m a youth pastor, and if there is something that is proven wrong in his teaching- I would certainly like to steer my children away from him. I just like to have proof that his teaching is not that of what the Bible teaches.

  • Vickie Wall

    Louie Giglio is a tremendous man of God. There is no way that God is NOT in his teaching. Jesus may not be mentioned in this article, but I would venture to say He WAS mentioned in the message that was given in to the students the night he is describing. Watch “Indescribable”, the series of videos. Then tell me Giglio doesn’t present the Gospel.
    It is so wrong for one part of the Body of Christ to try and demean another part. The Bible warns against this very thing and Satan takes great delight watching it happen.

  • Vickie Wall

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Shane

    It’s apparent you have NO ideas what Contemplative spirituality is. If you do not understand what Contemplative Spirituality is, then I suggest you make it a task to find out, for your OWN SOUL’S SAFETY.

    Louie Giglio was mentored by John Piper who has just recently become best friends with Rick Warren (Mr. Ecumenical). Mark Driscoll is also on board with John Piper who is very much into mysticism, meditation. Breathing techniques etc, which Louie Giglio writes about in his book Breath.

    Make sure you REALLY do understand WHICH type of meditation they are promoting. Plain simple prayer or contemplative meditation.

    I’ve studied, read his books and I listened to his associate pastors preach and I know for a FACT that YOU think too highly of these men you call pastors…. I call them deceivers.

  • Vickie Wall

    Wow. I just took the time to really read some of these comments. You actually ask, “Which Christ?”. I mean, is there more than ONE??? If as much time was spent feeding His sheep as was spent here bashing fellow Christians, revival might actually take place.
    I find no redeeming qualities on this site – other than those comments in defense of those you are judging, there is nothing here that is edifying the Body of Christ; therefore, I am leaving also. I pray that you have an encounter with God that will fill your heart with love and discernment. Amen.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Vickie

    >> Wow. I just took the time to really read some of these comments. You actually ask, “Which Christ?”. I mean, is there more than ONE???

    Yes, go read your bible. It’s mentioned all over the NT. In fact do yourself a favour and see if you can find 2 scriptures telling us there are more than ONE Christ and list them here.

  • Robbie

    C’mon Vickie,

    “indescribable” endorses Evolution and that makes it a fairy tail. – long ago and far away and big bang and all…

    tsk!

  • Jason

    @Robbie: No indescribable doesn’t endorse evolution and a big bang, in fact Louie takes the mickey of that whole theory, he says “yes there was probably a big bang, light travelling out of God’s mouth and suns and stars and planets probably CREATED a big bang” (laughing as he said it)((from my memory not re-watched)), he also reads from the historical narrative of the bible about what happened which is a lot more than many pastors, in fact one of Ken Ham’s loudest objectors about Creation is a Baptist pastor who believes in evolution, so it is not fair to say Louie endorses evolution in Indescribable when in fact you are wrong.
    Also I absolutely think that this whole article is unfair and wrong, there is absolutely no evidence to suggest what you are saying, in fact if we are to judge things by their fruit then you are wrong simply on the basis of the fruit which is produced by this passion movement which is observable by all.

  • Starlight

    “indescribable” endorses Evolution and that makes it a fairy tail. – long ago and far away and big bang and all…

    tsk!

    Robby, how is the above statement of yours possible? I understand what Deborah wrote to Shane in the comments above but please explain your statement above so we all can understand. I’ve watched this movie and the sequel “how great is our God” and never ever picked up any endorsement of evolution.

  • Robbie

    Starlight, Jason

    right in the beginning of the DVD…

    He says, “in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth… some call it a big bang and I am ok with that too. And that is no knock on science because we are all on the same path here”

    I call that endorsement followed by a lie in one sentence…

    Jason, you missed a sentence when he said “I am ok with that”

  • Robbie

    Don’t you think if he said… – “and all this was done in 4 days” – the greatness of God would be understood even better?..

  • Robbie

    Concern.

    Php 2:6
    Bible – (Jesus) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

    Louie – (Jesus) who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,

    Does these two mean the same thing?

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Louis Giglio says: >> He says, “in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth… some call it a big bang and I am ok with that too. And that is no knock on science because we are all on the same path here

    Ouch, well that spells outs TWO issues.

    1) He believes in EVOLUTION
    2) He believes is only one path where the bible speaks about 2 paths – the narrow and the BROAD.

  • Jasen Hatten

    Just out of curiosity, have you ever wondered what the relationship between God and Adam and Eve was like? Genesis 3:8 says: And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden. When Jesus Christ returns and establishes His Kingdom forever, will He remain distant from us? Why were we created with 5 senses? Sight, Hearing, Smelling, Taste and Touch. Is it wrong to believe that God wants us to experience Him fully? Why would the Word become flesh? He walked among people. He was seen and heard and touched by so many. Why do we as human beings respond and crave the hug or kiss of a loved one? We were created in the image of God. Sin messed up our relationship with God creating a separation. That is why we often hide from the presence of God. When we are cleansed from our sin, should we still hide from the face of God. I want to experience God like Moses did, like Enoch did, like Daniel did, like Isaiah did, like Adam did. These prophets saw the Lord. Is it wrong to want to see God face to face? I don’t want to hide from God, I want to run to Him. Because of Jesus Christ, I can approach the throne of God, boldly and confidently and worship at His feet! I want to be like Moses and say, “Show me Your glory, Lord.” All of those men were criticized by others for their insatiable desire to know God intimately! And I don’t care if people look at me and call me a fool for wanting to have an intimate relationship with God. To talk with Him as a close friend would – to be named a friend of God!

  • Greg Verrier

    [deleted – insults not welcome]

  • jill marr

    Please tell me something of Louie Giglio’s that isn’t biblical. So far your argument is pretty weak. Blue and red lights and astounding pictures of nature are materials of a false prophet? C’mon. If these help people worship and respond to God, that’s not evil. Most importantly, I have yet to hear Louie say something that could not be backed up by Scripture.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    jill marr

    Read the comments section. And see if you can figure it out.

  • Ruth

    Deborah – Remember Saul on the road to Damascus… the Lord stopped Him dead in his tracks and ask “Why are you persecuting Me..” Saul was sincerely defending what he knew to be the truth, but he failed to recognise what was from the Lord! Lets be active in serving HIM, keeping our eyes on HIM – with no distraction! That’s my one and only comment on this site!

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Ruth

    My but you are blind to the truth. Why does the Holy Spirit not warn you? Or is He warning you and you are refusing to listen? This is the latest on Louie Giglio and his clan of false teachers. They are full blown teaching contemplative meditation to children. I think you need to focus your eyes on Jesus Christ of the bible, because currently they are focused on something else.
    Beth Moore, John Piper leads the Youth into Lectio Divina at Louie Giglio Passion’s Conference 2012

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