Benny Hinn – Miracle Service in Durban – 13 Mar 2010

“.. to con the living daylights outta people who don’t read the Bible”

It saddens me when I visit a church and see so many people arriving without a Bible, but perhaps that is because most pastors these days don’t bother to read it from the pulpit either. Instead they prefer to paraphrase, or quote (if you are lucky) selected verses, often out of context. E.g. my favorite pet peeve : Joel Osteen who asks them to hold up their Bibles, recite a nice little statement and then never tells them to actually crack it open. Sad.

Two nice links to read that just again confirms what these people are doing.

IS THEIR HEALING IN THE ATONEMENT?
http://www.letusreason.org/Wf9.htm

and

Death by faith
http://www.letusreason.org/Wf25.htm

and also a you tube clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH58pgiWPsw

Thank you DTW for your hard work.

My reason for the question is that we are able to discern what the man said.

Nose to the ground, lol lol I was not aware of that. Man oh man if that is the case it is even worse than I though.

In fact here is all the other dates in SA for March…

Cape Town, South Africa — Miracle Crusade
March 5 – March 7, 2010
Details

East London, South Africa — Miracle Service
March 9, 2010
Details

Durban, South Africa — Miracle Crusade
March 11 – March 13, 2010
Details

Phoenix, AZ — Miracle Crusade
March 25 – March 26, 2010
Details

Phew Debs yes i agree with you.

The pastor at Lewende Woord Brumeria preached about the very same subject you are talking about.

I am also saying oh for crying out loud. lol

wha ha ha ha, It is obiously not even neccesary to discern BH.

Ok that says it all wow yes talking about can of worms.
Durban Christian Centre pastors Bio.

Pastor Fred Bio

Fred Roberts was raised in a Christian home his parents were converted under the Ministry of John G. Lake.

Miracles are the norm and not the exception in his church. His wife, Nellie, ministers alongside him and is a significant reason for his success. She is a powerful prophetess in her own right.

Pastor Nellie Bio

She has raised four children and has a great spiritual resource when it comes to family matters.

Pastor John Bio

Through his preaching of Gods Word, his ability to flow strongly in the gifts of the Spirit, and his unique ability to lead others into life-transforming worship, Pastor Torrens aims to bring a new dimension to Christian living which gives all believers clear insight into the glorious, powerful life available to them today.

oh my word need I find more..no I dont think so

I wonder how much he would charge me to give him a piece of my mind…

A thought on Benny Hinn.
I genuinely fear for all those who are fooled by the deception of Benny Hinn.
What will you all do when true deception comes?
How will you be able to withstand the demonic deception coming soon to a city near you?
I believe that it stems from a lack of Bible knowledge.
Lazy Christians wanting others to study the Bible for them. Remember the manna in the Old Testament? It was to be collected daily by each person. One could not collect it for someone else.
Please people, wake up now before it is too late.

BEREAN

Oh I forgot! there are hundreds of video’s on YOU Tube. But why does anyone wants to spend hours and hours watching false teaching INSTEAD of spend hours and hours in the WORD OF GOD, getting it in your whole system, so you can discern when anyone does anything “out of the ordinary” that is: outside the Borders of the Word of God.

Cecilia

Got your point 100%. Thanks.

You are correct the leopard never changes dots or suit colours not even when he changes continents. ha ha

My reason for the question on how to get dvd to discern was purely for wanting to know which church in SA will want to
even invite this man to speak. Which I did a crash course on as above posts show. I Never had to copy and paste so quicly in my life. lol.

I was also able to find out the church he was/is at in Durban DCC. I have family that goes there!!. That shocked me!!. I was not aware of who DCC was until I checked it out very quickly. I have since heeded the warning bells to my family. They told me one day about 10/11 months ago they like BH. I could not heed the warning then because I did not know what discernment was. 10/11 months ago I was also still involved in one these charismatic churches for 6 months and the whole charade.

If I did not pose the quesion, would I have been able to warn my family?

They will also leave DCC soon and I pray for it. This family is also currently not in SA, but overseas for 4 weeks.My question is why did they choose to go overseas now. I just Thank the Lord for his mercy, that my family was not at those services. If they where in SA they would have attended BH charade without a doubt.

Sinister Ministers

Benny Hinn “The wicked are piling up the funds and I love the way John [Avazini] teaches on this. He’s the best there is on how to get the wealth of the wicked. Man, I like it!” (Praise-a-Thon, TBN, 6th November 1990.)

Years later Hinn states “Ask God to give you the wealth of the wicked and mean it” (February 28, 1997 Blaisedell center)

Benny Hinn has people chant for their wealth “Say after me, all of you, everybody say it, ‘The wealth of the wicked is mine.’ [The audience repeats.] One more time. [The audience repeats.] One more time. [The audience repeats.]” (Praise-a-Thon, TBN, April 1990)

http://www.letusreason.org/WF49.htm

Old news but the leopard will never change his spots.

Ruoall

ooooh and another thing Neville Norden of Lewende Woord has close ties with Fred Roberts of Durban Christian Centre where Benny Hinn does his evil things . Yikes

See here on on page 6

Neville even says he is subject to Fred Roberts as a spiritual father.

Soooo run for your life from Lewende Woord Brumeria please!!!

Dear Elmarie,

U need some serious professional help, and in desperate need of discernment. The very thing you claim to have, you lack! All these men whom you are accusing, have you ever been in their houses and spent some days with them and their families???

Blessings,
Leon du Preez
http://www.leondupreez.com

Leon

The very thing you claim to have, you lack! All these men whom you are accusing, have you ever been in their houses and spent some days with them and their families???

I have never made claims to anything. I have only given Biblical facts.

Please Show me where did I do this what you are accusing me of to make claims oh pleeease!

Nope I would not want to visit “them” have no reason to do so. What ever the “them” means?

Oh I see you have your own ministrie well that make sense why you would defend the likes of Benny Hinn…..hmmmm
Yikes no thank you I do not need your help.

In 2002, at the age of 18, Leon radically experienced the supernatural power of God and was instantly delivered from living a life of total darkness, addiction, bondage and demonic influence. God called Leon to take that same experience and encounter that he had to the generation of this hour!

In obedience to that call, Leon decided to rise up, and is currently overseeing “The Movement” http://www.themovement.co.za, a youth movement which is busy taking off in Umhlanga Rocks, South Africa under the leadership of Destiny Harvest Centre http://www.destiny.co.za and Senior Pastor, Marc Bredenkamp. Leon has also been ministering at youth camps, youth groups, churches and schools, sharing his testimony. His main focus is bringing deliverance and a spiritual encounter to the young people of this nation! http://leondupreez.com/?page_id=150

I do not need your help thank you as I have all the help from the Lord Jesus and the Holly Spirit and the Word of God. That is the only professional help available you know. You could never dream of helping any one being so insulting and I will pray for your heart to open for your fellow human. But one needs to first love the Lord God with your whole body, mind and soul as Mark 12:30-31 tells us.

Mark 12:30-31 (Amplified Bible)
30And you shall love the Lord your God [a]out of and with your whole heart and out of and with all your soul (your [b]life) and out of and with all your mind (with [c]your faculty of thought and your moral understanding) and out of and with all your strength. [d]This is the first and principal commandment.(A)
31The second is like it and is this, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these.

Leon

some more info for you:

These are leaders of chuch groups and professions assisting us with advice.

Philip Barnard

-Juris LLB LLM

H-Dip Tax

Phillip Barnard is an attorney in Pretoria

Married to Germien

I turned to Christ in 1993. The relationship has changed my life.

It made me aware that Christ is the ultimate truth and light

Darkness is separation from Christ.

I have a passion for evangelism and missionary work.
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Dr Bennie Mostert

Rev. Dr. Bennie was born at Oranje Mund where he grew up. In 1983 he achieved the degree MTh at the University of Stellenbosch and DD in 1997 at the University of Pretoria.

As Reverend of the Dutch Reformed Church in Namibia, he worked for four years in Windhoek with Media for Christ and was responsible for telefriend Namibia. Since 1987 he was involved with mobilizing prayer focusing on the unreached and to pray for revival. At present he is managing Director of Jericho Walls International Prayer Network responsible for mobilizing prayer in SA, the Continent of Africa and World Wide. Jericho Walls Int. Prayer Network was founded in March 1993 under the name: Network for United prayer in SA (NUPSA) He was the SA representative for Prayer Track of the AD 2000 movement till the end of the AD 2000 movement until they dissolved. Jericho Walls International Network mobilize at present an estimate of 200 000 intercessors worldwide. Since November to 10 December 2000 NUPSA helped facilitate a 40 day fast in Africa. Christians in 56 Countries participated. He was the coordinator of the National day of prayer on 7 July 1996. He is author of numerous books.

He is married to Anita.
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Dr Perold de Beer

At the young age of sixteen I found Jesus as my personal Saviour under the ministry of the renowned Dr Oswald J Smith, pastor and missionary statesman. From that moment God gave me a passion for the lost and I spent almost the whole of my ministry in reaching out to Hindus and Muslims in South Africa. I was privileged to see many saved and delivered from sin and the occult.

I was a founding member of the Reformed Church in Africa and established two congregations in Laudium (Pretoria) and in Phoenix (Durban). We set up the Charisma Evangelism Council to train Christians to reach their Hindu and Muslim neighbors with the saving love of Christ providing also the necessary training for those going abroad.

My involvement in the “deliverance ministry” opened many avenues to help those who are bound irrespective of their church affiliation.

I am at present the Moderator of the Reformed Church in Africa. My passion is to seek after a God-given revival in South Africa and beyond that will change the face of our land. In this connection I serve on the Advisory Board of Revival Congresses South Africa.

My wife, Marietha, is a speech therapist. God has blessed her with a wonderful ministry in Marriage Counseling and leading young people to Christ.
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Pastor Nevil Norden

Nevil matriculated in 1964 and completed a one year training course on prison service. He ran a Health Studio Business for 18 years 1966-1983 and won a Pro Mr. S.A. title in Bodybuilding in 1972. He was a Pastor at Hatfield for 3 years while managing his Health Studio. He studied at the Durban Christian Centre Bible Training College and taught at the Bible School, while pasturing Durban North for two years.

He started Lewende Woord Ministries in 1986 and was one of the founders of “Woord in Aksie”. He is author of the book: Oorwin Dodelike Siektes van die Siel

He is married to Rina, a qualified nurse

“Act-up is an organization that was birthed by the Spirit of the Lord to fulfill the growing need of people that have been caught up in the spiders web of all the lies of the enemy.

In a country and a community where Biblical standards are no longer the foundation, the need for an organization to help and assist people and to lead them to the “true Tree of Life” is very timely. I believe that this organization can fill a great growing need in this hour.

Jesus said in John 8:32, that a relationship with the Truth would set the captives free.”
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Dr Isak Burger

Dr Burger studied at the University of Pretoria where he graduated with a BD degree in Theology in 1974. In 1982 he became a lecturer and the Registrar of the AFM Theological College in Aucland Park. During this time he completed his Doctorate on church history at his old Alma Mater. Dr Burger has held several leadership positions namely:

• District Chairman of the Pretoria South Region
• President of the AFM of South Africa
• Member of the Advisory Committee of the World Pentecostal Conference
• Director of Radio Pulpit
• Co-chairman of the National Consultation of Churches (Rustenburg 2)

He has been a member of the Religious Broadcasting Panel of the SABC and the Chairman and Director of Christian Television since 1990. He was elected as President of the AFM of South Africa in April 1996 and is still serving in this office.

He is married to Heletia

One of the most distressful problems today is substance abuse. Many families, friends and people are directly or indirectly influenced by it. Every organization that addresses these problem deserve appreciation and acknowledgement. Act-Up Support wants to make a difference from a Biblical view. What I appreciate from this organization is their passion, dedication and integrity in which they fulfill their vision and mission. In a hard and demanding missionary field Act-Up Support will make a difference in the future.

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Dr Schabort du Plessis

Retired minister and pastor.

Is doing counselling work, mainly working with those who have been involved in occult, satanism and drugs.

He is also busy with further studies in the same direction

He is married to Hendrien.
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Hannes Snyman

Hannes is a devoted child of God who has a heart for people. He is a go-getter and always on the move. His fast pace and energy combined with attention to detail makes Hannes a standard-bearer for God in the business community.

Hannes was born and raised in Pretoria. He qualified as pharmacist at the University of Pretoria in 1990 where after he completed his national service in the medical battalion SAGD in 1992.

Hannes opened Castle Walk and Castle Ridge Pharmacies as well as Clinics 4 Jesus (C4J) He is a training official and consultant with “Heel Suid Afrika”.

He is a member of:

* Moreletapark Dutch Reformed Congregation
* Aptekersvergeniging
* United South African Pharmacies
* Society for Community Pharmacies
* SA Hunters assosiation
* Life long member of the SPCA
* Life long member of friends of the Voortrekker Monument
* Heritage foundation
* Member of the CSIR Sportclub
* Plasy squash and golf.

Both his parents are still alive and are the inspiration in his life.

He is married to Wenette Jacobs, an attorney.

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Pastor Solly Thobakgale

I was born on the 4th of August 1972 at Mapela i n Limpopo. Born again on the 17th December 1988 at Ga-Matlou Village.
Married to Virginia a teacher and we have two sons Kaludi and Ditheto. While at the training College for my teaching diploma, I was called in to the ministry on the 5th October 1995

I was a member of the International Assemblies of God Mamelodi. We moved to Lindopark and started a branch for L.A.G. I was the general secretary for the church and a assistant pastor as well as a intercessory leader.

By the Grace of God I was called to Arcadia in 2002 where I started a church with six members (two couples and two children)
We grew to 60 members and have two branches. One in Arcadia and the other one at Ga-Matlou Village in Limpopo.
God is still growing us and taking us to a higher dimension.

Our church has moved to Melgisedek premises where we also take part in hospital ministry and acts of mercy like paying school fees and accommodation, provide food for those who can’t provide for themselves.

I am praying to God to reveal Himself greatly in this time. My vision is to see multitudes coming to Christ and acknowledge Him as Lord.

It is a privilege to be involved in intercessory prayer with Act-up Support and to be available to those who need support in accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour.

All the Glory to our Father God through Jesus Christ our Saviour by the power of the Holy Spirit

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Johannes Swart

Qualified Chartered Accountant and Auditor in public practice

B Com University of Pretoria 1989

B Compt (Hons) Unisa in 1991 Passed the qualifying examination of the Public Accountants and Auditors’ Board in 1995. Completed articles with Price Waterhouse and worked as a tax inspector for the South African Revenue Services. Joined Coopers & Lybrand Microcomputer Services and worked as a financial consultant. In public practice since he left Coopers & Lybrand. Client portfolio includes small and medium size businesses and professionals in private practice such as medical doctors and law firms.

As a Christian I believe that my involvement with organisations such as Act-Up Support is my contribution to creating a better nation and improving peoples’ lives. I believe that Jesus can change and renew people’s lives and that we, as His children, must play an important role to make people aware of this fact.

He is married to Marietjie

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Dr. Stephan Joubert

In a nutshell: Jesus really drives me crazy and, after 22 years, I am still passionately in love with my wife and my two wonderful kids. On the boring side: I served as professor in New Testament Studies at the University of Pretoria for almost thirteen years. During that time I produced a monograph on Paul and 50 irrelevant academic essays. However, my greatest passion has always been serving the emerging church of the Lord.

I have written and co-edited more than 50 Christian books. Another milestone is my role as co-editor of a very contemporary Afrikaans translation of the Bible, Die Boodskap, together with Jan van der Watt. It has already received the CBSA award for the best religious publication of the year in South Africa on two occasions (1997 and 2003). About 200 000 copies, in several editions, of this translation have already been printed. An utterly enjoyable edition for children called My Eerste Boodskap has been translated into English, Dutch and Norwegian and has been published for worldwide distribution. In between, I also write a weekly column for a local newspaper and host a weekly radio program, for more than 600,000 listeners on (post-)modern day issues and the Bible. Apart from my role as part-time teaching pastor at a local church, Moreletapark, I also conduct church services and frequently speak at schools, companies and care groups throughout South Africa and abroad several times a week. Another hugely satisfying experience is my role as editor of an Afrikaans cyberchurch called ekerk and a phenomenal e-mail and e-coaching ministry for more than 34,000 people.

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Costa Mitchell

Costa Mitchell is currently the National Director of The Association of Vineyard Churches in South Africa, and co-chairperson of The Consultation of Christian Churches (Western Cape). Costa and his wife, Lorraine, were instrumental in planting and later pastoring the first Vineyard Christian Fellowship in South Africa in 1982.

Costa has authored two books, “A Practical Guide to Intimacy in Marriage” and “Learn To Love Yoursel”

Deborah

I picked up in your discussion with Ivin that you believe that the majority of people are not real Christians.
When one looks at what Jesus said about His return to earth that “all the nations” would try and fight against Him it proves your point.
My question to you is what happens when the ratpure has taken the few true believers away?
What chance do those that remain have to then come to the truth, and what should we be doing about it?

Benny Hinn: Touch Not the Anointed One!

Posted on May 23, 2010 by Chrystal

1 John 4:1: (NASB)

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Here is a video sent to me by good friend, Bud Press of Christian Research Service. What you’ll see is Hinn claiming to possess so much of the anointing that merely touching him will suck it right out of him!

When the video begins, you see Hinn being embraced by a young man who appears to be exhibiting a ”spiritual” manifestation. Upon questioning him, he reveals that he is headed for the NFL. Hinn then tells him that won’t work because God has called him into the ministry instead. So, Hinn effectively just reordered this man’s career path, and since we all know how accurate Hinn’s prophetic words can be (that being as close to zero as you can get), I’m hoping he won’t base his decision on what Hinn has told him.

What you’re seeing is the “little god” complex coming out of Hinn. He said it’s rare he feels virtue come into him (because he possesses so much of it, I guess), but the young man not only siphoned the anointing out of him, but sent it into him as well. Sounds like some sort of spiritual transfer. Would you want that spirit transferred into you?

Think about it.

http://slaughteringthesheep.wordpress.com/2010/05/23/benny-hinn-touch-not-the-anointed-one/

There is a video clip too at link called “Siphoning the Anointing Out of Benny Hinn” or link here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO7Uy-WHEH4&feature=player_embedded

Bruno

Was it really worth Commenting? Naaaaaaah cannot even give you an answer sorry Bruno

But here is some Scriptural food for thought to ponder on.

The apostle John tells us in his first epistle (1 John 4:1-6) how we are to discern which spirits are from God. “Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.”

It is of utmost importance that Christians are well-grounded in the Scriptures so that they are able to discern which teachers speak from God and which are false in their proclamation. Only then can we reject what is false and “hold on to the good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21).
http://www.gotquestions.org/judge-teachings-leaders.html

Bruno

Jesus Christ said:

“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell. (Mat 5:27-30)

What are your thoughts on that? I would love to know what you think about it?

Benny Hinn: “Methinks thou protest too loudly”

Who is willing to follow the blind leading the blind?

Benny Hinn has a reputation to some as a miracle man, a man who moves in the supernatural, who sees miracles on a regular basis. But to others, he is a reputed false teacher.

Until the middle of this year, he was the focus of the supernatural for the ideologues that follow signs and wonders, that is until the Lakeland fire spread. The attention then shifted to a new kid on the block, an unheard of, named Todd Bentley.

Now Benny Hinn has momentarily become what he has always criticized others of–a “heresy hunter,” and has attacked “God’s anointed,” according to the Bentley camp of signs and wonders.

Many will see this tactic as one wolf calling out another wolf from feeding on their sheep and interpret it as a move of self-preservation, because of the diminishing donations. A number of us discussed this months ago, wondering when this very event would take place.

Where was Benny Hinn during the Lakeland revival? Where was Hinn when the controversies reached a fever pitch? Maybe he thought it would not affect his ministry and thought it best to remain silent.

Nevertheless, Hinn’s decision to speak out against the Florida revival, after the damage was done, puts him in a quandary in a number of ways. True prophets do not hesitate to warn when the body of Christ of impending danger; false prophets warn after the damage is done. Hinn’s allowing the Lakeland revival to run its course and ruin thousands of lives demonstrates he is not a man called to action by God. A true prophet or teacher would not allow this on their watch.

Benny Hinn has reached a sophisticated level of deception that can be undetected by the majority of church goers, even some who are Bereans. He has learned well from his critics and has, for the most part, kept his mouth from uttering the normal heresies he has been known for in the past. But he is still not divorced from the money he solicits from his followers everywhere he goes, and Benny Hinn Ministries needs mega-bucks to continue operating.

Hinn’s ministry was moribund because of Bentleys success, and he chose not to speak out when the bar was being raised to become the new wave, as did the Toronto and Brownsville revivals of the past. So why did he wait so long to speak out on the Lakeland revival? Only when it becomes necessary and advantageous for him to speak. Because Bentley is no longer operating, it is an opportune time for Hinn to draw the people back to him.

Yet, as one who claims to be a prophet of God, Benny Hinn is surrounded by an ocean of contradictions on what he says, not just what he does. Here is an example:

There is no such thing as a laughing revival. There is no such thing as a laughing – it is not in the Bible. I do not see it in the Bible. Much of what happens is pure emotionalism – contagious laughter. What does it do except make you look stupid? I am not interested in some emotional up” (“Praise The Lord,” July 4, 1997).

A few months later, Rodney Howard-Browne–the very man who started the laughing revival–was a guest on Hinn’s program. In fact, it was Hinn who launched Rodney Howard-Browne into ministry, when he allowed it all to happen at his own meeting, as he endorsed the laughter in 1991 (seen on the video Benny Hinn: Spirit of truth or Spirit of Error). Laughter broke out among the children at Hinn’s meeting, and Rodney Howard-Browne, who was already on stage ready to go, was called forward by Hinn, who said: “Rodney, God has given you a great anointing for this. Let the holy laughter hit them in Jesus’ mighty name.”

Hinn passed “it” on to Rodney Howard-Browne and Randy Clark received it and brought it to the Vineyard churches. The Todd Bentley revival is a continuation of Pensacola that came from Toronto that came from Rodney Howard-Browne that came from Benny Hinn, etc, etc.

Please read on at this link http://www.letusreason.org/b.hinn30.htm

That is awesome Bruno! I am totally for you on those comments! lol, Unfortunately some people are forever learning and never coming to the knowledge of the truth! But hey, I have much better things to do for example saving souls and advancing His Kingdom rather than commenting and attacking men of God. Love u lots Bruno, Let’s go kick some devil butt!

Leon

Let’s go kick some devil butt!

“Do Christians have the authority to rebuke the devil?”

Answer: There are some Christians who believe they not only have the authority to rebuke the devil, but they believe they must be about the business of rebuking him continually. There is no biblical basis for such a belief. It must be remembered that Satan, unlike God, is not omnipresent. He can only be in one place at a time, and the likelihood of his personally harassing individual Christians is miniscule. Of course, he has legions of demons who do his bidding, and they are everywhere seeking to destroy believers’ testimonies. It should be noted here that the Christian cannot be possessed by a demon, in the same way people in the Bible are described as being possessed.

As Christians, we need to be aware of the reality of the presence of evil. As we struggle to stand firm in our faith, we must realize that the enemies we are up against are not merely human ideas, but real forces that come from the powers of darkness. The Bible says, “For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places” Ephesians 6:12, NAS).

Clearly, God has allowed Satan significant amounts of power and influence over the earth, at least for the time being, and always within God’s sovereign control. The Bible tells us that he prowls around like a lion in search of prey, looking for victims to devour (1 Peter 5:8). Satan is the power at work in the hearts of those who refuse to obey God (Ephesians 2:2). Anyone who is not under the control of the sovereign God is under the control of the devil (Acts 26:18; 2 Corinthians 4:4). Born-again Christians are no longer enslaved to Satan or to sin (Romans 6:6-7), but this does not mean we are immune to the temptations that he puts before us.

The Bible does not give Christians the authority to rebuke the Devil, but to resist him. James 4:7 (NLT) says to “submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.” Zechariah 3:2 tells us that it is the Lord who rebukes Satan. Even Michael, one of the most powerful of the angels, did not dare to accuse Satan, but rather said, “The Lord rebuke you” (Jude 1:9). In response to Satan’s attacks, a Christian should hide under the covering of Christ. Instead of focusing on defeating the devil, we should focus on following Christ (Hebrews 12:2) and trust that He will defeat the forces of evil.

It is not necessary for a Christian to rebuke Satan because God has given us His full armor to stand against evil (see Ephesians 6:10-18). The most effective weapons we have against the devil are our faith, wisdom, and knowledge about God and His Word. Even Christ, when tempted by Satan, did not rebuke him but answered him with Scripture (see Matthew 4:1-11). To gain victory in spiritual matters, we must maintain a clear conscience and have control over our thoughts. “For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ” (2 Corinthians 10:3-5).
http://www.gotquestions.org/authority-rebuke-devil.html

Alan (and Leon / Bruno)

Is it just me, or does ‘Bruno’ look like Brian Houston of Hillsong in Sydney Australia?
I guess he doesn’t believe in Christians criticizing the behaviour of other Christians huh?
But then, why the sarcasm?

I must agree with Alan here, although here’s hoping this blog hasn’t attracted the attention of the likes of Brian Houston aswell. But then again, maybe he could benefit from a little Christian opinion, as I’m sure he doesn’t mingle with too much of that, it certainly would adversely affect his pocket.

Regarding the sarcasm Alan mentions. It is quite evident that the likes of Bruno “the Dude who is Anti-Scriptural” and Leon “the Dudette or Devil Slayer or Saver of Souls” as I’m going to fondly refer to them due to their New Age affiliation (I’m hoping they won’t be too personally offended), cannot turn to Scripture to support their points of view, for obvious reasons. Slight over-simplification would equate their religion with non-Biblical beliefs. No matter how hard one tries, one cannot stretch the Truth as far as they would like to.

It is common practice thus, for persons who would defend false religions, to resort to name-calling and sarcasm in a futile effort to make themselves, their evil heroes and their falsehoods, seem justifiable. As Christians our duty is to expose these practitioners, not in an effort to justify our own point of view, but for the sake of the true Church. As Paul eloquently instructs:

Act 20:28 Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood.
Act 20:29 I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock;
Act 20:30 and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them.

Would you all forgive me for putting it into some Newer Age lingo:
Leon, ‘zit my Bro! Devil Slaya! Some brotherly advice I give freely: Howz ’bout choo answer some of da questions asked ‘ere instead a critsizng da Christians? Dis ting ‘ere ’bout jah putting da kidz into trances, now dat aint cool mon! Whatcha smokin’ dere?

Bruno, my udda brudda! The Truth is in the coolest book of them all, you eard ’bout it ‘bro? – ’tis called The Bible. Howz ’bout choo stop being sarcastic and read it? Borrow some ‘air from da Leon dude, mon! Jool both feel free and look way good! Ciao

Robbie

It was not a slip of the tongue. He also says it here:

Do you know that you have the ability to save someone from an eternity in hell, and propel them into their destiny? What an awesome responsibility! I have no doubt that you will receive great eternal rewards for doing this. So let’s go for it!

Dear Elmarie, Amanda, Robbie, Alan, Grant and the likes…

Firstly, I do not have the time to answer your 100 question game. I am accountable and responsible first of all to Jesus Christ and to my oversight.

Secondly, I have much better things to do than criticize, accuse, name calling (It is quite evident that the likes of Bruno “the Dude who is Anti-Scriptural” and Leon “the Dudette or Devil Slayer or Saver of Souls”) or any other carnal behavior.

Thirdly, I feel very sad for those who are associated to you and intoxicated by the spirit of error and demons of doctrines which has crept into your lives. I will be saying a few prayers for you and more for those who are influenced by you then after that I will be wiping the dust of my feet regarding this “place”…

God Bless you all!
Leon du Preez

Leon

after that I will be wiping the dust of my feet regarding this “place”…

You did not come here to proclaim the Good News, but to attack us for defending Christianity against false teachings that you are part of. Your are welcome to spread your spirituality and you may call it what you want, but if you choose to use the name of our great God and Savior to promote your luring youngsters into experiencing trances, then we shall expose you and warn parents, teenagers and the schools against you.

Repent from your false teaching and your trances. Jesus Christ died even for that and He freely offers you forgiveness for your sins.

ah ah ah ah ah ah.. Blessings.

Elmarie, Grant and Alan…

Your ministry is a ministry of death.. The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious…how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? (2 Corinthians 3:6-8)

These verses contain another contrasting choice that results in people either living by bankrupt human resources, or by bountiful heavenly ones. This contrast is “the ministry of death versus the ministry of life.” These terms come from correlating four phrases: “the letter kills…the Spirit gives life…the ministry of death…the ministry of the Spirit.” Of course, the old covenant of law is the “ministry of death,” and the new covenant of grace is the “ministry of life” (“ministry of the Spirit…the Spirit gives life”).

You don’t not know me and you think you and your friend can label me or other people because you can write something. YOU DO NOT MANIFEST THE CHARACTER OF CHRIST….

You have a critical spirit… You condemn the person as well as the perceived action (Prov 12:18) You focus on the fault ACCORDING to your perception or interpretation of the Bible… Maybe you should examine yourself… Like 6:41… You and your friends spend hours to ridicule others instead of encouraging others (Proverbs 11:12) You make judgement based without knowing the fruits of the person (John 7:24 and Matthew 12:33-37) You simply assume the worst without knowing the person (John 7:51) You tears others down instead of building people up (Eph 4:29).

Maybe your sense of significance is enhanced when you point out the wrongs of other.. You dare to make people think that you know the Word.. Hey wake up the Word is CHRIST. THE WORD is A PERSON..

You are right on one thing though… I’d rather read the bible than coming back on this stinking website place..

I will not WASTE my time with your bunch… You SHOULD REPENT..

Bruno

YOU DO NOT MANIFEST THE CHARACTER OF CHRIST….

There we go a BUZZ word!! MANIFEST just so loved by these False churches. Such a pity these false churches water the Word of God down to the gutters.

“Should Christians judge the teachings of their leaders?”

Answer: As Christians, we are commanded against following teachers blindly, but are told rather to “Test everything; hold on to the good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21). The apostle Peter warns us in 2 Peter 2:1-3 that there will be false teachers in our day just as there were false teachers in his day. Among their false teachings is a denial of the sufficiency of the sacrifice of Christ on the cross to take away sin, which is a common theme among cultists today. Another characteristic of false teachers is the greed which motivates them in everything they do. Paul offers a similar warning to the Ephesian elders in Acts 20:29-31, calling the false teachers “savage wolves” who mercilessly attempt to destroy the faith of the sheep and draw them away from the Shepherd. Paul warned them continually, pleading with them night and day to be on their guard against such deceivers.

From these passages, we see clearly that we are to distinguish between true and false teachers. How then are we to do that? First, as Paul instructs the Ephesians, we are to “no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming” (Ephesians 4:14). Rather, we are to “become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ” and we do this by “the knowledge of the Son of God” (v. 13). The knowledge of Christ can only be obtained through the Word of God, and it is by that Word that we distinguish between the true and the false.

In Matthew 7:15-20, Jesus offers some critical advice in discerning who is a false prophet: “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruits you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruits you will recognize them.” Plainly stated, is the teacher’s life marked by a progressive conformity to the likeness of Christ? Is the teacher bearing the fruits of the Spirit? Just as only good trees produce good fruit, so do only true teachers of Christ display the fruit of the Spirit—love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control (Galatians 5:22-23), whereas false prophets and teachers display the acts of their sinful natures (Galatians 5:19-22). By these fruits, we recognize true and false teachers.

Secondly, does the teaching that is being presented conform to the message as proclaimed by the early church and the Apostles? As Paul writes to the church in Galatia: “I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!” These are harsh words indeed that Paul has for the false teachers, but eternal condemnation is what they store up for themselves until the day of God’s wrath (Romans 2:5-6).

The apostle John tells us in his first epistle (1 John 4:1-6) how we are to discern which spirits are from God. “Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.”

It is of utmost importance that Christians are well-grounded in the Scriptures so that they are able to discern which teachers speak from God and which are false in their proclamation. Only then can we reject what is false and “hold on to the good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21).
http://www.gotquestions.org/judge-teachings-leaders.html

Bruno

“What is the best way to evangelize someone who is in a cult or false religion?”

Answer: The most important thing we can do for those involved in cults or false religions is pray for them. We need to pray that God would change their hearts and open their eyes to the truth (2 Corinthians 4:4). We need to pray that God would convince them of their need for salvation through Jesus Christ (John 3:16). Without the power of God and conviction of the Holy Spirit, we will never succeed in convincing anyone of the truth (John 16:7-11).

We also need to be living a godly Christian life, so those trapped in cults and religions can see the change God has made in our own lives (1 Peter 3:1-2). We need to pray for wisdom in how we can minister to them in a powerful way (James 1:5). After all of this, we must be bold in our actual sharing of the gospel. We must proclaim the message of salvation through Jesus Christ (Romans 10:9-10). We always need to be prepared to defend our faith (1 Peter 3:15), but we must do so with gentleness and respect. We can proclaim the doctrine correctly, win the war of words, and still impede the cause by an attitude of angry superiority.

Ultimately, we must leave the salvation of those to whom we witness up to God. It is God’s power and grace that saves people, not our efforts. While it is good and wise to be prepared to give a vigorous defense and have knowledge of false beliefs, neither of these things will result in the conversion of those trapped in the lies of the cults and false religions. The best we can do is pray for them, witness to them, and live the Christian life in front of them, trusting that the Holy Spirit will do the work of drawing, convincing, and converting.
http://www.gotquestions.org/cult-evangelism.html

Bruno

You are correct. It is the Law that condemns you:

Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God. For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin. (Rom 3:19-20)

You break the Law on a daily basis and you need a Saviour. Leon teaches that your problem is “unformed purpose and destiny”. His solution is “In order for you to tap into the hidden treasures buried inside of you, you have to go deep within yourself!” The Bible says:

But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it– the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. (Rom 3:21-26)

Leon’s preaching is to lure you into the “secret place” to experience “dreams and visions and trances” and not to produce faith in Jesus Christ and Him crucified for sinners. In fact, the Jesus that he preaches cannot save.

Peter had to come to a place where he was face to face with himself! He had to realize that underneath all those masks of bravery, boldness and arrogance was someone who would cowardly betray the Lord! Only when he saw the darkness of his own heart and his true identity like Jacob could he realize that he needs help!

If the angel remembered Peter’s name, right now He is remembering your name! God is remembering your name and right now He is calling you by your name!

You might be in your darkest hour right now, but I want to tell you that you have a treasure to find there! You have the ability to embrace this time of struggle, prevail and discover His treasure for you!

Even JESUS had to prevail and go through His darkest hour in order to fulfill His Destiny!

Here Jesus is our example, going through the same experience and prevailing. Bruno, I can assure you that Jesus Christ did not find darkness within Himself:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. He came as a witness, to bear witness about the light, that all might believe through him. He was not the light, but came to bear witness about the light. The true light, which enlightens everyone, was coming into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him. (Joh 1:1-10)

Bruno, Jesus Christ is revealed to us in the Word. It is Leon who is making stuff up that is not taught in the Word. The apostles did not teach that we should go hour after hour until we experience visions, dreams and trances. Either the Word is right or Leon is, but they cannot both be right, because they contradict each other. Are you going to put your trust in a man to experience trances or are you going to trust Jesus Christ to save you from the righteous wrath of God against you for breaking His Law?

Dear Elmarie,

The very people you and your own following are critizing are peole I have known personally, been taught and mentored by.No I guess your response to that would be that you would not like to associate with me either, well let me put you at ease,I am far more picky about my friends than what you are! The question I would like to ask you, all these ministries that you so quickly critize as being false and being false prophets, have you looked at the fruit of their ministries? Because ultimately that is what Jesus says” Bytheir fruits the will be known” One sows the seed, one waters but God gives the increase, so when I look at the increase in these ministries I must then assume that God is who He says He is or that He is a God of confusion to bring increase into the ministries of false prophets!How much of the great commission have you and your following full filled? Have you raised any dead of late, have you laid hands on the sick and seen them healed, have you delivered anyone lately from the bondage of satan?…oh wait, you don’t believe that we can do that, or as you asked Leon, tongue in cheek I gues, what demons look like etc.If you are up to a challenge why don’t you ask the HOly Spirit to open your spiritual eyes! This is the quote from Amanda “That may be New Age, but it is not Christianity. It cannot save you from the wrath of God stored up for the day of judgment. Jesus Christ died so that sinners might be saved and not for you to indulge in dreams and visions and trances. Repent and receive forgiveness for your sins on account of Jesus Christ’s death on the cross for you.” What bible are you reading? Acts 10:9 onwards speaks about Peter’s vision and if you go study it in the originallanguage it would mean trance. The book of Revelation was given to John by VISIONS!!!! The old Testament is filled with the prophets who got VISIONS and DREAMS!! let alone the fact that God’s word (which you so eloquently quote, but then so did satan)…states very clearly “Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Joe 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit. ” what is there not to understand? Elmarie you have done nothing to slander mighty ministries, such as Neville has allot of assosiations with false teachers like Elza Meyer, Angus Buchan, Ray Mackauley, Herlod Weitz, Randy Clarck, Gary Kiewetter, Izak Burger, Kim Clement, Dr Fred Roberts, the late Oral Roberts, Joel Osteen, my gosh is their actually one ministry that you do not condemn. Oh and your comment about the DCC being octagonal and the number 8 – What do you you find confusing? 8 in fact is the number of resurrection and new beginnings.When something is resurrected it has a new beginning! When Jesus was resurrected it was a new beginning for the world! You say that it is not scriptual for Ps Harold Weitz and others to prophecy over people, clearly my dear friend the pages of your bible is lacking many pages, in particular 1 Corinthians 12v 8-10!
It does astound me that these great ministries that you fault so much, has the confirmation of signs,miracles and wonders following them. I know what you going to say: “Well Theresa the Bible also says that false prophets will have signs miracles etc..” and yes you are right, but the greatest moracle of all is salvation, and a false ministry, which would be driven by satan will not have fruit of salvations, as a house divided against it self will fall.
You,Elmarie have made this blog your own platform topreaaach your doctrine or opnion from, well lets see if God gives you the increase. You also stated that you don;t need anyone to teach you cos you have Jesus and the Holy Spirit, that is true, partially, you see that is the problem with doctrine of error, it is always partially true…If we donot need anyone to teach us other than Jesus and the Holy Spirit, why on earth would there have been the likes of Paul, Timothy, and all the other amazing teachers who taught others after Christ had ascended? Surely they could have all just stayed isolated and been led by the Holy Spirit? Well lets see what the WOrd of God says about that “Pro 18:1 He that separateth himself seeketh his own desire, and snarlest against all sound wisdom.
Pro 18:2 A fool hath no delight in understanding, but only that his heart may lay itself bare.
You operate by the spirit of divination as well as the spirit of Leviathan your main aim is to bring about division and strife. You have an unteachable spirit.

But I pray for you and your following for much of what you have said above brings me much joy, as it is proof that we are living in the last days!

Rudi van der Merwe

I think this website has great potential.. but, I humbly ask you sir, to discern the world truly,

Naaah no Thanks Rudi it will mean this blog has to be like this?

Nope not Biblical advise. In fact your request is just Totally Absurd!! Sorry I cannot trust you Rudi.

Humans are by their nature unreliable; if we put our complete faith in another person, chances are we’ll be disappointed at some point. By contrast, God is completely trustworthy, and will never let us down when we put our faith in him. http://www.gospel.com/topics/trust+in+god

Jeremiah 17:5 (Amplified Bible)
5Thus says the Lord: Cursed [with great evil] is the strong man who trusts in and relies on frail man, making weak [human] flesh his arm, and whose mind and heart turn aside from the Lord.

Trust requires commitment and faith. To trust in someone is to rely on them, to believe in them. In Proverbs chapter 3, we are promised that by trusting in the Lord our paths will be made straight, that is to say, we will be given direction for our lives.http://www.gospel.com/topics/trust+in+the+lord+with+all+your+heart

Proverbs 3:5-6 (Amplified Bible)
5Lean on, trust in, and be confident in the Lord with all your heart and mind and do not rely on your own insight or understanding.6In all your ways know, recognize, and acknowledge Him, and He will direct and make straight and plain your paths.

Theresa

What bible are you reading? Acts 10:9 onwards speaks about Peter’s vision and if you go study it in the originallanguage it would mean trance.

The Bible [ESV] says:

The next day, as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the housetop about the sixth hour to pray. And he became hungry and wanted something to eat, but while they were preparing it, he fell into a trance and saw the heavens opened and something like a great sheet descending, being let down by its four corners upon the earth.
(Act 10:9-11)

Peter went up to pray. The Lord Himself taught Peter to pray:

And he said to them, “When you pray, say: “Father, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come. (Luk 11:2)

You can listen to Leon’s sermon here and hear for yourself the steps he teaches the young people to take to invoke a trance and even to see God’s face.

The old Testament is filled with the prophets who got VISIONS and DREAMS!! let alone the fact that God’s word (which you so eloquently quote, but then so did satan)…states very clearly “Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Joe 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit. ” what is there not to understand?

The Apostle Peter said that that prophecy was fulfilled on the day of Pentacost:

But Peter, standing with the eleven, lifted up his voice and addressed them, “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and give ear to my words. For these men are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day. But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel: “‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams; even on my male servants and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy. (Act 2:14-18)

Nowhere does the Bible teach Christians to induce trances like Leon is doing.

Theresa

You know I was going to answer you but on second thoughts decided not to. You go run along now and serve your gods like those you mention you “have known personally, been taught and mentored by.”

You have so many Biblical errors in your comment it will take me almost years to answer and correct you through Scripture.
To attempt to show you on errors from scripture would be a waste of my time as your faith and religion prefers experiential to the Truth and mysticism or spiritism and whatever other ISM there could be to the Word.

It is your faith that you seem to support likes of :

Joel Osteen who advocates you stop praying. http://www.mikeadkins.com/article/joel-osteen-christless-christianity-whi-2of4/

or Rodney Howard-brown prefers you to experience bubbles from your stomach rather than prayer. http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/quotes.html

William Branam how says the Trinity is from Satan. http://www.letusreason.org/Latrain4.htm

Benny Hinn dead people must be placed in front of the Tv to to await to be raised.http://www.letusreason.org/Pent28.htm and also http://biblelight.net/Hinn-Dead-Raised.htm

Is Kim Clement a New Age Prophet? http://www.letusreason.org/Popteac14.htm and also The seed of Faith that made BIG MONEY – The Story and legacy of Oral Roberts http://www.letusreason.org/Popteach47.htm

Randy Clark Tracing the Trail of the Revival Laughter/Toronto/ Pensacola/_____ /_____? http://www.letusreason.org/Pent30.htm

Note that these links above are web sites world wide who also expose these FALSE AND DEMONIC TEACHINGS.

Jesus Himself said these words and note (verse 40 starts with He and that is God Himself.)

John 12:39-41 (Amplified Bible)

39Therefore they could not believe [they were unable to believe]. For Isaiah has also said,

40He has blinded their eyes and hardened and benumbed their [callous, degenerated] hearts [He has made their minds dull], to keep them from seeing with their eyes and understanding with their hearts and minds and repenting and turning to Me to heal them.

41Isaiah said this because he saw His glory and spoke of Him.(A)

Theresa

I thought I could save you some time and did teh research for you:-

your research attempts was fruitless sorry cannot trust you!!! you are here for no reason other than talking Gibberish!!

Please run along and go…. you are waisting our time. You cannot spread your FALSE BELIEVES!!! on this blog rather go and read and study your Bible.

I do not care how many times you quote scripture, but you are NOT SPIRIT LED! if anything you are purposely being used as a vessel by the enemy himself,who by the way quotes scripture as well, to bring about division and strife amongst the Body of Christ.

The Bible says:

Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work. (2Ti 3:12-17)

The Bible says:

I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. (Rom 16:17-18)

Leon is free to preach his gospel of a treasure deep inside of us, but if he calls that and the frantic drive to experience visions and dreams and trances Christianity, then Christians will point out that it is not.

Rudi, both Leon and Theresa contradict what the Bible teaches. Who are you going to follow? Don’t be overly impressed with their ‘good works’. After all, it is like filthy rags.

And to the one who does not work but trusts him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,
(Rom 4:5)

But whatever gain I had, I counted as loss for the sake of Christ. Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith– (Phi 3:7-9)

Here is Chris Rosebrough’s answer when he as accused of not doing any good works:

Instead, I want to focus on your presuppositions and the fact that you have a definition of ‘good works’ that excludes works done in one’s vocation as a good works. This is a fatal deficiency in your definition of good works.

God and God alone is the one who decides what a good work is and God has laid out a much different and far broader definition of ‘good works’ in scripture than the definition that you currently hold.

Let me give a few passages of scripture that bear this out.

1Th. 4:9 Now concerning brotherly love you have no need for anyone to write to you, for you yourselves have been taught by God to love one another, 10 for that indeed is what you are doing to all the brothers throughout Macedonia. But we urge you, brothers, to do this more and more, 11 and to aspire to live quietly, and to mind your own affairs, and to work with your hands, as we instructed you, 12 so that you may walk properly before outsiders and be dependent on no one.

Notice that God the Holy Spirit inspired Paul to urge people to “work with their hands” and “be dependent on no one”. Therefore, if you and I have jobs and are working productively and paying our bills then WE ARE doing good works.

This next section of scripture lays out all kinds of ‘good works’.

Eph. 6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. 2 “Honor your father and mother” (this is the first commandment with a promise), 3 “that it may go well with you and that you may live long in the land.” 4 Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.

Eph. 6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ, 6 not by the way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but as servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart, 7 rendering service with a good will as to the Lord and not to man, 8 knowing that whatever good anyone does, this he will receive back from the Lord, whether he is a slave or free. 9 Masters, do the same to them, and stop your threatening, knowing that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and that there is no partiality with him.

Let me summarize these passages by saying that being an obedient respectful child is a good work.

Being a good father is a good work.

Being a good employee (slave) and working as unto the Lord is a good work.

Being a good employer (master) is a good work.

I could list many more passages of scripture that say that being a good mom is a good work, being a good wife is a good work, being a good husband is a good work… etc. Are you getting the picture?

The second commandment tells us to love and serve our neighbor. I serve my neighbor by serving my wife by being a good husband, by serving my children by being a good father, by serving my customers through the services Vendtegrity offers, by providing jobs for my employees through Vendtegrity, oh and from time to time I even have the privilege of serving my neighbor by teaching the word of God.

NS, I don’t have ‘vicarious’ good works. My life is filled with a bountiful harvest of good works and I am always looking for greater ways to serve my neighbors through the gifts and provisions that God has given because I am never satisfied with the good works I am doing and want to do even more. The joy that this brings to my life cannot be measured. I am truly a blessed man.

I think it is truly sad that your definition of Good Works causes you to miss what Good Works truly are. If you better understood the Biblical definition of Good Works you would have never said of me that “it is highly unlikely that your lifestyle’s pace permits you to actively engage in any form of works.”

In fact, the litany of things that I do, that you listed off as evidence against me are actually the very fruits and good works that God is producing in my life.

Rudi, you have some serious thinking to do. Please “compare what is said in the name of God to the Word of God”.

2 Peter 2:17-21 (New International Version)

17These men are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. 18For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. 19They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him. 20If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.

Obviously the deluding spirits are having a heyday with Theresa – I was once the prey of false teachers, but the Lord opened my eyes. I do hope that she will allow Him to do that with her also.

Burning Lamp

Obviously the deluding spirits are having a heyday with Theresa – I was once the prey of false teachers, but the Lord opened my eyes. I do hope that she will allow Him to do that with her also.

Yes I share your thoughts too. And weren’t we all there Burning Lamp. And a big Amen for the Lord opening up our eyes!! We can only Pray for her.

Amanda

Pastor Leon du Preez:says

I am just going to throw you guys a little bit of experience stuff. You can’t really find this in Scripture.

Of course it wont be found in the Scripture he is preaching his own nonsense not what is in the Bible!

This makes me think on these Scriptures.

Leviticus 20:27 (New International Version)
27 ” ‘A man or woman who is a medium or spiritist among you must be put to death. You are to stone them; their blood will be on their own heads.’ ”

Jeremiah 14:14
Then the LORD said to me, “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.

Ezekiel 13:9
My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of the house of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign LORD.

2 Peter 2:1
[ False Teachers and Their Destruction ] But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.

Pastor Leon du Preez’s testimony:

As he spoke, I realized that the words that came out of his mouth had power. I had experienced encounters from the spiritual realm when I was younger, but never before had I experienced the power that was coming out of him. I was arrested in my seat and there was no way that I could deny anything that he was saying. All of a sudden I heard the following words bubbling out of my mouth: “Please, pray for me, I want my life to change”. As he laid his hands on me and I prayed a prayer of salvation, I felt that same power fall on me, a power that wiped away every single sin that I had ever committed, a power that contradicted every feeling of hurt and rejection that had been with me for years, a power that gave me the identity that I was looking for all along. I remember it as though it happened just yesterday. It felt like ice, electricity and fire, all at the same time! I still sat down and asked him what had just happened to me, what it was that I felt? He said to me: “It is the power of God, it is the Holy Spirit”. From that night on, my life changed forever! In an instant, I was completely set free from alcohol abuse, drug abuse, rejection, suicide and a life of darkness and hopelessness. All of a sudden, I left that place with a purpose. I left that house knowing that God is real and that He has a destiny for me. That was the first night where someone could show me the true power of God, and it was the first night in my life where I experienced the manifest presence of God embracing me as if I was clean, forgiven and His child, regardless of my past!

And now, it seems to me, Leon uses the Bible as a guide book on how to “experience the manifest presence of God”. Be careful with what you try and convert unbelievers with, because that is what you convert them to and unless it is faith in Jesus Christ to save them from the wrath of God, it is not Christian.

Benny Hinn talks about the Manifest Presence of God from the 2008 Azusa Street – International Revival Conference

Caution on watching this link please. USE EXTREME DISCERNMENT PLEASE!!!

Walk don’t Run

It has been a few years since Tommy Tenney became famous overnight from the story of a zap that split a Plexiglas pulpit (it is presumed it was a bolt of lightning). This occurred during the revival meetings that were being held at 3,000-member charismatic church, Christian Tabernacle in Houston.

Tenney teaches, “We need to learn how to entertain and welcome the manifest presence of God to such a degree that just the residue of what has gone on among us brings sinners to the point of conviction and conversion instantaneously. I am hungry for that kind of expression of revival …” (ibid., p. 46).

A residue of His presence is all that is needed to bring sinners to conversion instantaneously! No Word, no witnessing, no explaining. Is this where we are supposed to be headed?

http://www.letusreason.org/Poptea10.htm

Thank you Amanda!!

Scripture tells us that we have to heed to people whom will not understand His Word and will distort and twist the Scripture.

2 Peter 3:8-18 (Amplified Bible)

8 Nevertheless, do not let this one fact escape you, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.(A)

9 The Lord does not delay and is not tardy or slow about what He promises, according to some people’s conception of slowness, but He is long-suffering (extraordinarily patient) toward you, not desiring that any should perish, but that all should turn to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will vanish (pass away) with a thunderous crash, and the [[a]material] elements [of the universe] will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.

11 Since all these things are thus [b]in the process of being dissolved, what kind of person ought [each of] you to be [in the meanwhile] in consecrated and holy behavior and devout and godly qualities,

12 While you wait and earnestly long for (expect and hasten) the coming of the day of God by reason of which the flaming heavens will be dissolved, and the [[c]material] elements [of the universe] will flare and melt with fire?(B)

13 But we look for new heavens and a new earth according to His promise, in which righteousness (uprightness, freedom from sin, and right standing with God) is to abide.(C)

14 So, beloved, since you are expecting these things, be eager to be found by Him [at His coming] without spot or blemish and at peace [in serene confidence, [d]free from fears and agitating passions and moral conflicts].

15 And consider that the long-suffering of our Lord [[e]His slowness in avenging wrongs and judging the world] is salvation ([f]that which is conducive to the soul’s safety), even as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the spiritual insight given him,

16 Speaking of this as he does in all of his letters. There are some things in those [epistles of Paul] that are difficult to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist and misconstrue to their own [g]utter destruction, just as [they distort and misinterpret] the rest of the Scriptures.

17 Let me warn you therefore, beloved, that knowing these things beforehand, you should be on your guard, lest you be carried away by the error of lawless and wicked [persons and] fall from your own [present] firm condition [your own steadfastness of mind].

18 But grow in grace (undeserved favor, spiritual strength) and [h]recognition and knowledge and understanding of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (the Messiah). To Him [be] glory (honor, majesty, and splendor) both now and to the day of eternity. Amen (so be it)!

and further we have no fear of these False prophets and preacher as the Word then tells us.

Isaiah 41:10 (Amplified Bible)

10 Fear not [there is nothing to fear], for I am with you; do not look around you in terror and be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen and harden you to difficulties, yes, I will help you; yes, I will hold you up and retain you with My [victorious] right hand of rightness and justice.(A)

Amen!!

To Amanda,
You are quite right, I do not agree with you and that the doctrine that you and I share on Chritianity is not the same. I have not cursed you or bound you, I have however told you that you are defiantely not spirit led – you go and do with that exactly what you want and you can go and extract from it and place your perverted views about it wherever you want. I know who I am in Christ Jesus, I know that the same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead lives in me and therefore I do believe I am given all authority and power to cast out demons, to lay hands on the sick and to raise the dead (all of these have been fruits of my ministry). I do not and can not believe that you and I are sisters in Christ, for I believe in a Christ that sets people free.On none of your topics have I seen any evidence of the love of Jesus, if anything you refute the work of the Holy SPirit in and through people. You do nothing but to slander,mock and insult ministries that are not of the same opinion as you and your side kicks. You do not have a teachable spirit and by virtue of the fact that you would dare assume that God, Abba Father, can not and for some reason only known to you and your group, appear to people in dreams and visions to bring them to a place of conversion leads me to believe that you box God in to what He can do.Instead of praising God for the converts, if God could speak through a donkey, He can speak to peole in dreams, you mock their testimony and say a ‘False Jesus’ has appeared to them. Do you actually want to see the harvest brought in? It surely doesn;t look like it. You do nothing but judge people for what they do and when they bring correction to you and your group. I have no idea who your overseer is or even if you have one, you and the rest of the admin have also avoided that question on several occassions. So yes before I go, you and I are certainly NOT sisters in Christ, because I believe in the living Christ, who is the same yesterday, today and forever, who died for every single person. And you know, even if all these pastors/ministries, which seems to be every single one on the planet, are so terribly wrong, then rather pray for them than insult them, but at the end of the day if through their ministry one soul can call out and say ” JESUS” shouldn’t that be all that matters. Let God be the judge of the leaders. We are supposse to correct each other in love and with tenderness, but you just attack and condemn. Have you gone the biblical route of actually first speaking to these pastors about the error of their doctrine, and then if they didn’t listen did you thentake elders to speak to them and then only do you make their error public? Have you done that, seeing that you are so bent on doing everything biblically? That log in your eye must really be starting to weigh you down! Don’t bother to comment as I won’t be back…
Oh and by the way, you can go and tell the whole world via the internet or any other method, that I cursed you and bound you as you put it! Do whatever you feel led to do,because at the end of the day God is not mocked!

The only good thing I have to say about your website it that it prooves to me that we are living in the ends times and I take great joy in the return of Jesus!

Tit 3:10 Have nothing to do with a person who causes divisions after you have warned him once or twice.
Tit 3:11 For you know that a person like this is corrupt and keeps on sinning, being self-condemned.

Theresa

You seem to have very much the same doctrine/opinion as a group on FB called Prepare for War, I see much of the same,if not word for word, comments on certain people..so not sure if you copying them or they copying you or you just have your own little cult going!

This blog does not follow any doctrine but THE WRITTEN SCRIPTURE known as THE WORD OF GOD.

About word for word comments on a facebook page on certain people?? Theresa stop telling lies please.

In fact here is an excerpt from that facebook page info:
This would be the page to join if you’re already set in your religion and willing to learn, give up and let go. And then declare war against Satan and his demons.

Oops Theresa do you see what I see? They declare war against Satan and his demons AND that is excactly what you claim to do by having said: “I always love to kick devil butt!” and you also said “Get thee behind me satan!”

another exerpt form this face bookpage: Demons will be bound on this page and banned. Please respect that we are children of the King, Jesus Christ, and are here to equip each other and pray together, against Satan and his demons, in the name of the Lord! http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/Prepare4War?v=info&ref=search

Oops Theresa and lookie here what your favorite teacher Benny Hinn says : “This is why angels to this day cannot rebuke Satan. Jude says, even Michael will not bring an accusation against the devil. Why? Because angels are lower today than Satan who holds the office of Adam. But we, as joint heirs with Christ in heavenly places, are higher than Adam [background voice says, “and angels and angels.”] “So, today, angels cannot rebuke Satan, but we can, because we are on the same level as the Son on earth.” “We’re not God, we’re the children of God. We’re god-like in our Spirit man, not in our flesh. Thank God, our flesh will die and we are gonna have a new body. The Bible says, when we shall see Him our bodies shall be like Him, but our spirit man is already like Him.” http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/hinncult.html

And I say again you run along and worship your gods en cult like people and carry on to try and raise people from the dead.

What you consider to be “defending” the Church from false prophets, many fruitful christians – disciples call this Criticism. The following quote is from MR Chambers whose life speak more than yours and mine. Maybe this will make you think about your attitude and your fruits. ”

Criticism serves to make you harsh, vindictive, and cruel, and leaves you with the soothing and flattering idea that you are somehow superior to others – you must constantly beware of anything that causes you to think of yourself as a superior person.” O. Chambers

Bruno

Jesus Christ said:

“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will recognize them by their fruits. “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ “Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it.” And when Jesus finished these sayings, the crowds were astonished at his teaching, for he was teaching them as one who had authority, and not as their scribes. (Mat 7:15-29)

Paul did not think that we should put up with someone proclaiming another Jesus or a different spirit or a different gospel:

I wish you would bear with me in a little foolishness. Do bear with me! I feel a divine jealousy for you, for I betrothed you to one husband, to present you as a pure virgin to Christ. But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough. (2Co 11:1-4)

Bruno, there is no hidden treasure deep inside of us. Leon is lying to you.

Wise words spoken: excerpt posted.
Man – The Dwelling Place of God

by A. W. Tozer

How to Try the Spirits

2. The next test is: How has this new experience affected my attitude toward the Lord Jesus Christ? Whatever place present-day religion may give to Christ, God gives Him top place in earth and in heaven. “This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased,” spoke the voice of God from heaven concerning our Lord Jesus. Peter, full of the Holy Spirit, declared: “God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ” (Acts 2:36). Jesus said of Himself, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” Again Peter said of Him, “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved” (Acts 4:12) . The whole book of Hebrews is devoted to the idea that Christ is above all others. He is shown to be above Aaron and Moses, and even the angels are called to fall down and worship Him. Paul says that He is the image of the invisible God, that in Him dwells the fullness of the Godhead bodily and that in all things He must have the preeminence. But time would fail me to tell of the glory accorded Him by prophets, patriarchs, apostles, saints, elders, psalmists, kings and seraphim. He is made unto us wisdom and righteousness and sanctification and redemption. He is our hope, our life, our all and all, now and forevermore.

All this being true, it is clear that He must stand at the center of all true doctrine, all acceptable practice and all genuine Christian experience. Anything that makes Him less than God has declared Him to be is delusion pure and simple and must be rejected, no matter how delightful or how satisfying it may for the time seem to be.

Christless Christianity sounds contradictory but it exists as a real phenomenon in our day. Much that is being done in Christ’s name is false to Christ in that it is conceived by the flesh, incorporates fleshly methods, and seeks fleshly ends. Christ is mentioned from time to time in the same way and for the same reason that a self-seeking politician mentions Lincoln and the flag, to provide a sacred front for carnal activities and to deceive the simplehearted listeners. This giveaway is that Christ is not central: He is not all and in all.

Again, there are psychic experiences that thrill the seeker and lead him to believe that he has indeed met the Lord and been carried to the third heaven; but the true nature of the phenomenon is discovered later when the face of Christ begins to fade from the victim’s consciousness and he comes to depend more and more upon emotional jags as a proof of his spirituality.

If on the other hand the new experience tends to make Christ indispensable, if it takes our interest off our feeling and places it in Christ, we are on the right track. Whatever makes Christ dear to us is pretty sure to be from God.

3. Another revealing test of the soundness of religious experience is, How does it affect my attitude toward the Holy Scriptures? Did this new experience, this new view of truth, spring out of the Word of God itself or was it the result of some stimulus that lay outside the Bible? Tender-hearted Christians often become victims of strong psychological pressure applied intentionally or innocently by someone’s personal testimony, or by a colorful story told by a fervent preacher who may speak with prophetic finality but who has not checked his story with the facts nor tested the soundness of his conclusions by the Word of God.

Whatever originates outside the Scriptures should for that very reason be suspect until it can be shown to be in accord with them. If it should be found to be contrary to the Word of revealed truth no true Christian will accept it as being from God. However high the emotional content, no experience can be proved to be genuine unless we can find chapter and verse authority for it in the Scriptures. “To the word and to the testimony” must always be the last and final proof.

Whatever is new or singular should also be viewed with a lot of caution until it can furnish scriptural proof of its validity. Over the last half-century quite a number of unscriptural notions have gained acceptance among Christians by claiming that they were among the truths that were to be revealed in the last days. To be sure, say the advocates of this latter-daylight theory, Augustine did not know, Luther did not, John Knox, Wesley, Finney and Spurgeon did not understand this; but greater light has now shined upon God’s people and we of these last days have the advantage of fuller revelation. We should not question the new doctrine nor draw back from this advanced experience. The Lord is getting His Bride ready for the marriage supper of the Lamb. We should all yield to this new movement of the Spirit. So they tell us.

The truth is that the Bible does not teach that there will be new light and advanced spiritual experiences in the latter days; it teaches the exact opposite. Nothing in Daniel or the New Testament epistles can be tortured into advocating the idea that we of the end of the Christian era shall enjoy light that was not known at its beginning. Beware of any man who claims to be wiser than the apostles or holier than the martyrs of the Early Church. The best way to deal with him is to rise and leave his presence. You cannot help him and he surely cannot help you.

Granted, however, that the Scriptures may not always be clear and that there are differences of interpretation among equally sincere men, this test will furnish all the proof needed of anything religious, viz., What does it do to my love for and appreciation of the Scriptures?

While true power lies not in the letter of the text but in the Spirit that inspired it, we should never underestimate the value of the letter. The text of truth has the same relation to truth as the honeycomb has to honey. One serves as a receptacle for the other. But there the analogy ends. The honey can be removed from the comb, but the Spirit of truth cannot and does not operate apart from the letter of the Holy Scriptures.

For this reason a growing acquaintance with the Holy Spirit will always mean an increasing love for the Bible. The Scriptures are in print what Christ is in person. The inspired Word is like a faithful portrait of Christ. But again the figure breaks down. Christ is in the Bible as no one can be in a mere portrait, for the Bible is a book of holy ideas and the eternal Word of the Father can and does dwell in the thought He has Himself inspired. Thoughts are things, and the thoughts of the Holy Scriptures form a lofty temple for the dwelling place of God.

From this it follows naturally that a true lover of God will be also a lover of His Word. Anything that comes to us from the God of the Word will deepen our love for the Word of God. This follows logically, but we have confirmation by a witness vastly more trustworthy than logic, viz., the concerted testimony of a great army of witnesses living and dead. These declare with one voice that their love for the Scriptures intensified as their faith mounted and their obedience became consistent and joyous.

If the new doctrine, the influence of that new teacher, the new emotional experience fills my heart with an avid hunger to meditate in the Scriptures day and night. I have every reason to believe that God has spoken to my soul and that my experience is genuine. Conversely, if my love for the Scriptures has cooled even a little, if my eagerness to eat and drink of the inspired Word has abated by as much as one degree, I should humbly admit that I have missed God’s signal somewhere and frankly backtrack until I find the true way once more.

7. The last test of the genuineness of Christian experience is what it does to our attitude toward sin.

The operations of grace within the heart of a believing man will turn that heart away from sin and toward holiness. “For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ” (Tit. 2:11-13) .

I do not see how it could be plainer. The same grace that saves teaches that saved man inwardly, and its teaching is both negative and positive. Negatively it teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts. Positively it teaches us to live soberly, righteously and godly right in this present world.

The man of honest heart will find no difficulty here. He has but to check his own bent to discover whether he is concerned about sin in his life more or less since the supposed work of grace was done. Anything that weakens his hatred of sin may be identified immediately as false to the Scriptures, to the Saviour and to his own soul. Whatever makes holiness more attractive and sin more intolerable may be accepted as genuine. “For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee. The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity” (Psa. 5: 4, 5).

Jesus warned, “There shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they should deceive the very elect.” These words describe our day too well to be coincidental. In the hope that the “elect” may profit by them I have set forth these tests. The result is in the hand of God.

http://www.worldinvisible.com/library/tozer/5j00.0010/5j00.0010.29.htm

Well, it seems that you are on your mission – “I am evil, because you are evil”… See you in heaven…

Amanda

The sad thing is Bruno, Theresa and Leon do not understand what we are trying to bring to their hearts. A very very sad situation indeed. May God help those who want to be helped. And the Holy Word says leave them they are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.

Luke 23:34-35 (Amplified Bible)

34 And Jesus prayed, Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. And they divided His garments and distributed them by casting lots for them.(A)
35 Now the people stood by [[a]calmly and leisurely] watching; but the rulers scoffed and sneered ([b]turned up
their noses) at Him, saying, He rescued others [[c]from death]; let Him now rescue Himself, if He is the Christ (the Messiah) of God, His Chosen One!

Matthew 15:14
Leave them; they are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.”

Bruno

Dear Amanda and Elmarie, you judge people because you think you know the Word and thus you think you know the heart.

Bruno I say again it is not our place to judge or condem anyone. We are not doing what you are accusing us of.

Consider this: “What does the Bible mean that we are not to judge others?”
Answer: This is an issue that has confused many people. On one hand, we are commanded by the Lord Jesus, “Do not judge, or you too will be judged” (Matthew 7:1). On the other hand, the Bible also exhorts us to beware of evildoers and false prophets and to avoid those who practice all kinds of evil.

How are we to discern who these people are if we do not make some kind of judgment about them?

Christians are often accused of “judging” whenever they speak out against a sinful activity. However, that is not the meaning of the Scripture verses that state, “Do not judge.” There is a righteous kind of judgment we are supposed to exercise—with careful discernment (John 7:24). When Jesus told us not to judge (Matthew 7:1), He was telling us not to judge hypocritically. Matthew 7:2-5 declares, “For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” What Jesus was condemning here was hypocritical, self-righteous judgments of others.

In Matthew 7:2-5, Jesus warns against judging someone else for his sin when you yourself are sinning even worse. That is the kind of judging Jesus commanded us not to do. If a believer sees another believer sinning, it is his Christian duty to lovingly and respectfully confront the person with his sin (Matthew 18:15-17). This is not judging, but rather pointing out the truth in hope—and with the ultimate goal—of bringing repentance in the other person (James 5:20) and restoration to the fellowship. We are to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15). We are to proclaim what God’s Word says about sin. 2 Timothy 4:2 instructs us, “Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage — with great patience and careful instruction.” We are to “judge” sin, but always with the goal of presenting the solution for sin and its consequences—the Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6).
http://www.gotquestions.org/do-not-judge.html

Bruno

I am willing to walk the road with you and the Bible will be the sole authority on what is true and what is false. Let’s just clear up your confusion on what we are doing here. The standard that you set for us is to be like the Son of God. That is not what we are trying to do. We preach repentance and the forgiveness of sins in His Name (Luk 24:47)and we contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints. (Jud 1:3)

We hold to an extreme theology that is constantly under attack. The only thing we can do is to stand on the Word and to reject anything that contradicts it. If we speak of sin and righteousness and judgment (Joh 16:8) and fear of the Lord, it is because Jesus Christ spoke of it (Mat 10:28). We should not soften it because somebody’s feelings might be hurt. We do not do it out of malice, but to prepare the way to deliver the Good News. We should proclaim the Law “so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God. For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.” (Rom 3:19-20)

Theresa is fully convinced of my sinfulness and she is right to agree with God that I should receive justice. Furthermore, when people demand a list of my good works [to cancel out my bad ones, I suppose], I don’t have any and cannot answer them. I have never even helped an old lady across the street, let alone raised somebody from the dead. When you look at my performance you can only conclude that I am an utter failure. The fact that I think kittens are cute cannot redeem me from smiling at my neighbour and calling him a fool in my heart. In the race to righteousness, I am a non-starter. Yet I have full assurance that I will hear the words:

‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’
(Mat 25:21)

It is outrageous that one such as myself could have such assurance! Either I am deluded or God’s Word is true:

But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it– the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. (Rom 3:21-28)

My sins that Theresa has listed plus all the others, past, present and future, have been atoned for. I sin and Jesus Christ bore the full punishment. In stead of justice, I get grace.

For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. (2Co 5:21)

For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. For one will scarcely die for a righteous person–though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die– but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. (Rom 5:6-10)

This is the outrageous claim of Christianity and a stumbling block to Theresa that God could give so much grace to a sinner and that my faith in Jesus Christ would count as righteousness.

Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. And to the one who does not work but trusts him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works: “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin.”
(Rom 4:4-8)

Bruno, when you wrote to provoke me, you did not get the response you were looking for, because I agree with you that we cannot judge whether somebody is truly saved or not. But we can and we must judge if teachings are true. If you were saying that evil will inherit heaven, your were wrong and I showed you why. Now you can judge if I am correct to say that faith in Jesus Christ, and not works, is how sinners are justified in front of a holy Judge.

Greg

On a side note, Marc Bredenkamp is Pastor Leon and Pastor Bruno’s senior pastor. Marc’s prophetic word South Africa is on Neville’s webpage.

[]…Although there will be wars and even rumours of wars, and even in South Africa, they will suggest that there shall be bloodshed yet again”. The Spirit of the Lord says “Don’t listen to them, phooey to that, because I shall arise for I have found My righteous ones, I have found those who would intercede, I have found those who would pray, I have found those who would prophecy, I have found those who would praise me” and God says “I am going to breathe upon this nation. Yes, even in the city of Pretoria. I am going to turn everything around. I am going to turn everything around says God.

[ ]… “Therefore God says “Watch this thing now. I will reciprocate and I will respond. Your prayers and your giving have come up before me as a memorial and I am ready to do a new thing on the planet. Yes, a new thing even in your city. Yes a new thing, a new thing in this land. Get ready, for the old shall begin to die off, and when you see the death of prominent leaders of the nations of this world, take note as a sign, it is a sign My child, yes it is a sign – that I am about to do something brand new on this planet and I have marked you to receive the power of My Holy Spirit in this hour. Therefore rejoice, and again I say rejoice!”

There is more.

Theresa is also a prophet:

What I sensed in my spirit, was confirmed by a word given 5 years ago and brought to remembrance last night—exactly 5 years later (to the date)—5 is the number of GRACE…YAHWEH knew that nations from around the world would come to South Africa in 2010, exactly 5 years after giving this Word to Theresa Watermeyer from KZN. People read this prophetic word and see the confirmation from what I sensed in my spirit with my post yesterday (also on the 10th of June) …time for playing religion is OVER—time for MOCKING GOD is over—let the true sons of GOD MANIFEST AND BE REVEALED IN THIS HOUR!!!

“Tell the people of this land that I love them, that I wish to bless them and that I wish to open the windows of heaven upon this country, but there is a PRICE I seek. I seek TOTAL LOYALTY and SUBMISSION to My word and My law; not mans law. This country has fallen into the hands of the lawless because they have turned from My truth. The people of this country are no better than those who worshipped the false gods of yesterday! I hear the people of this country say ” But Lord, the majority of this country are Christians, we profess Your word and Jesus Your Son,” but I say to them: “I do not know you!” They have made false doctrine spoken in My Name their idols. They follow the “circus show” of CERTAIN churches, with many leaders proclaiming Me, yet they are nothing but the ringleaders of this circus!

I have sent My prophets, My apostles, My messengers to the people of this country to take them from darkness into the light, yet they MOCK and scorn those I sent. Many in this country sit in churches yet they DECEIVE themselves because the churches are as dead as they are. If My SPIRIT is not there, then there is no life! Tell the people of this country of My love, for I want to do a GREAT THING for this country. I want to bring REVIVAL, starting at the tip of the continent- I want to send revival like a rushing wave, starting with SOUTH AFRICA, but its people must TURN BACK to Me- they must SEEK My word. They must seek My laws. I do not favour the laws of this country that do not honour or give glory to My name.

There is more. All Law, no Gospel.

Amanda

Yes as you say : “There is more. All Law, no Gospel.” I Echo your words yes!!

More rabid rabbits from Hinn’s heresy hat – Yikes!!

Benny Hinn Strikes Again on TBN!

More rabid rabbits from Hinn’s heresy hat

by Bud Press, Director

Christian Research Service

http://www.christianresearchservice.com

June 20, 2010

Those who tuned in to the Trinity Broadcasting Network’s Monday, May 3 telecast listened to Benny Hinn pull a verbal stream of rabid rabbits from his hat of many heresies.

The telecast, titled Angels, was hosted by the spiritually disturbed Paul Crouch, Sr., and his equally disturbed son Paul Crouch, Jr. When Paul Crouch, Sr. turned the always disturbing Benny Hinn loose on the TBN audience, they sat wide-eyed and mesmerized as Hinn thrilled and chilled them with his usual disturbing and foreign-to-the-Bible statements.

And what did Benny Hinn teach during the almost two hour telecast?

* the pre-Adamic age (gap theory).
* the existence of Neanderthal man (evolution).
* angels and free will (both heavenly and demonic).
* Christians having a free will in heaven, and the need for Jesus to pray for Christians in heaven–to keep them saved.

For detailed information on Benny Hinn’s gap theory and Neanderthal man, refer to the Recommended Reading section at the end of this article.

Indeed, there are serious ramifications to what Benny Hinn said and taught. No doubt that his teachings caused confusion and great fear in many of his followers.

Free will in heaven?

The following word-for-word transcript is from the May 3, 2010 TBN telecast at http://tinyurl.com/34wzkg7 . The transcript begins at 1:36:03 into the telecast and ends at 1:37:26. In it, Benny Hinn clearly demonstrates his reckless abandon of Scripture, regardless of how damaging it may be:

Benny Hinn: And angels to this day can decide to rebel against God.

Paul Crouch, Jr.: Even now.

Benny Hinn: Even now!

Paul Crouch, Jr.: That was one of the questions, “Do angels have free will?”

Benny Hinn: Yes, they have free will. That’s why a third of them chose to not serve God.

Paul Crouch, Jr.: Even today.

Benny Hinn: Even today.

Paul Crouch, Jr.: Wow!

Benny Hinn: And may I add, this is, uh, this is something that is gonna cause a lot of questions: Why is Jesus gonna pray for you forever? If you’re in heaven why does He need to pray for you?

Paul Crouch, Sr.: He maketh intercession for the saints?

Benny Hinn: Forever!

Paul Crouch, Sr.: According to the will of God.

Benny Hinn: But forever. Why forever?

Paul Crouch, Sr.: Why?

Benny Hinn: To keep us obedient.

Paul Crouch, Sr.: Cause?

Benny Hinn: We will have a free will in glory.

Paul Crouch, Sr.: Whoa!

Paul Crouch, Jr.: And could change our mind.

Benny Hinn: Exactly.

Paul Crouch, Sr.: Oh! Benny!

Paul Crouch, Jr.: Wow. Now that’s heavy.

Paul Crouch, Sr.: I mean, I’m underwater right now.

Paul Crouch, Jr.: That’s deep!

Benny Hinn: That is heavy! When you get to heaven, when you get to heaven, only His prayer will keep you there.

Paul Crouch, Jr.: Wow!

Benny Hinn: He intercedes for us forever. You had better ask your-yourself, Wait! If I’m in, in heaven, why do I need prayer by the Son of God Himself?

Paul Crouch, Jr.: That’s right.

Benny Hinn: To keep me saved in heaven! To keep me in the presence of God!

[At this point, Paul Crouch, Sr. asks Paul Crouch, Jr. “Have you ever heard that?” Paul Crouch, Jr. answers, “No. I have never…”]

Paul Crouch, Sr.: [looks at the audience and asks] How many have never heard that before? Let me see your hands. [As the camera pans the audience, many hands are raised]

Benny Hinn: Well, why would He pray forever?

Paul Crouch, Sr.: Well, of course.

Paul Crouch, Jr.: Interesting. It’s good.
[End of transcript]

Like his father, Paul Crouch, Jr.’s level of discernment is three digits lower than a houseplant. What Benny Hinn taught is neither interesting or good. It is repulsive and detestable, and further demonstrates Hinn’s vivid and fertile imagination, as well as his ability to sell people the shirts off their own backs.

It is important to note that during his diatribe, Benny Hinn failed to include Scriptural references to back his teachings. He couldn’t, because there are none! As with all false teachers, Hinn depends on the failure of his followers to study God’s written word and apply the Biblical test (1 Thessalonians 5:21).

But for the record, the following passage of Scripture solidly refutes what Hinn said to untold numbers of TBN followers worldwide:

Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, “DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP in victory” (1 Corinthians 15:50-54, NASB).

Do Christians have a free will and the sin nature (ability to sin)? Yes. Do Christians sin? Yes. Are Christians to confess sin and seek God’s forgiveness? Yes (1 John 1:6-10). Once in heaven, will Christians have the sin nature? NO!

For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ; who will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of His glory, by the exertion of the power that He has even to subject all things to Himself (Philippians 3:20-21).

Heaven is the paradise of God. For the Christian, there will be no tears or death, no grieving or pain, and no sin (Revelation chapter 21). Take the words of Jesus Christ to heart:

My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand (John 10:27-29).

Sadly, those who believe what Benny Hinn said might think, If I have a free

will in heaven, that means I have the ability to sin. And if I sin in heaven, will I

be cast out of heaven and into hell? So, why bother going to heaven in the first

place? Why bother being a Christian?

These are the serious ramifications to what Benny Hinn said and taught during the telecast. Words have the ability to build up or tear down, and no doubt that Hinn’s words caused confusion and fear in the minds of the innocent and gullible.

Therefore, where does the Bible teach: 1. Christians will have a free will in heaven? 2. When in heaven, Christians can change their minds? 3. Jesus will pray for Christians in heaven forever to keep Christians obedient, saved, and in God’s presence? Simply put, it doesn’t.

But as long as people adore, listen to, defend, and financially support Benny Hinn Ministries, Hinn will continue to use words to distort the Bible to his own destruction, and the destruction of his followers (2 Peter 3:13-18).
Rules to live by–and die for

Over the years, the damage Benny Hinn has done to the cause of Christ has spread beyond the church and branched out into the secular world. Across the internet, the unsaved think Benny Hinn is a joke. They wrongfully equate Benny Hinn with Christianity, and get plenty of laughs along the way through his on-stage shenanigans and circus-like performances.

Those who follow Benny Hinn and abide by the Word of Faith rules and regulations live in a world of make-believe, and a constant state of anxiety and upheaval. The simplicity that is in Christ and the peace and confidence He provides is replaced by suspicion, fear, paranoia, and depression.

Those caught up in the Word of Faith movement have been conditioned into believing a lie, and brainwashed into accepting Word of Faith prophets and teachers as their ultimate and final authority. Behind the scenes, those who separate from the Word of Faith movement find themselves alone and hurting, shunned and denounced by family and friends, and looked upon as reprobates, unfit to open a Bible and call themselves Christian.

The savagery of deception is without sympathy and compassion.

As far as Benny Hinn’s followers are concerned, to disagree with Hinn and deny his teachings is to “attack” the “anointed” and deny the very words of God. To step away from the Word of Faith movement and renounce its teachings is considered apostasy, with hell as the only alternative.

Live by the rules, or die. Life in the cults is no different.

Benny Hinn is not only a false prophet and false teacher, he is a fear-monger who instills fear into the minds of his followers. Those who fall for Hinn’s intimidation tactics are doomed to live their lives in fear, night and day, while looking over their shoulders for a demon behind every tree.

During the May 3 TBN telecast, Benny Hinn had his followers
sitting at his feet, applauding him, and bobbing their heads up and down in approval. They were so anesthetized and absorbed in what Hinn was saying that he could have announced that he was three-eyed frog from the Mormon planet Kolob, and his followers would have bobbed their heads up and down in agreement.To live by Word of Faith rules is to die a slow, agonizing death, eaten alive spiritually on the inside, where the heart and soul dwells.

What more does the Word of Faith movement have to do to convince its followers that it isn’t Christian? What more does Benny Hinn have to say and do to convince his followers he is not of God?

Final comments: For those who support TBN

The introduction to the Trinity Broadcasting Network’s telecasts informs the viewer that,
The following program is produced and sponsored by you, the TBN partners, and is only made possible through your generous support.

The Trinity Broadcasting Network is the largest promoter of fake prophets, fake teachers, and fake healers on the planet. If you are a TBN partner, or even an occasional contributor, keep in mind that it is your money that supports the savage wolves that growl and howl on the TBN airways.

By the way, what more does TBN have to do to prove it isn’t Christian?

Recommending Reading:

The Confusing World of Benny Hinn by M. Kurt Goedelman and G. Richard Fisher (revised, expanded, and updated, and includes a thorough refutation of the pre-Adamic/gap theory)

Skating on Thin Ice (online article that addresses and refutes Benny Hinn’s gap theory, and more)

Benny Hinn and Neanderthal Man by Bud Press (Neanderthals never existed in the first place, but Benny Hinn believes they did)

The Jesus Of The Dake Annotated Reference Bible by Jeff Spancer (Finis Jennings Dake introduced numerous heresies in his writings, many of which are taught today within the hyper-Charismatic camp)

The Prophet, the ‘God’ and the Heretic by Bud Press (examines the teachings of E. Bernard Jordan, Manasseh Jordan, and Benny Hinn in light of the Bible)

Benny Hinn Articles page (contains an in-depth, comprehensive list of national and international articles, letters to government officials, news releases, and more that are dated from 1989 to present)

Benny Hinn Videos page (contains selected YouTube videos on Benny Hinn and others associated with the Word-Faith movement)

El Marie said:

A discernment site could also be dangerous espescially if they cannot give proof for their findings and I have found some of them on the internet, they are then false discernment sites. We are to test absolutely everything to see whether it proceed for God. I cannot stress that enough. 1 Thessalonians 5:21

Echoing those words of wisdom! There are many wolves out there dressed up like sheep declaring about the Rapture and claiming to have discernment, but have no more savvy than a dinner roll. A good test is to see to whom they link. I have seen one site that looks good on the surface but promotes false teachers and links to them. Be VERY careful!!

Deborah (Discerning the World)

And me smiling from ear to ear cause what a surprise….. :-))

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Yes lol lol and well said everywhere. yay!

Enjoyed reading the debate. Thank God for His Grace. Love you all xx