Andrew Strom sends his sheep into the ‘Unusual’
This is probably the most disturbing ‘dream/vision passed off as being Godly’ I have read in a while. Andrew Strom attached a WARNING to his email saying, “WARNING: This is a highly unusual post!! But hopefully you will find it has some insights into what has been happening in the church and among many leaders. If you get nothing from it, discard it!”
And Andrew says he is not into this Apostolic and Prophetic stuff anymore. I think we should just discard Andrew Strom.
Dream of the Sad Preacher – Unusual!
by ‘Bubsie’ – South Africa – 18th Feb 2010.
[Bubsie] dreamt or had an open vision that she was in her bedroom
when she heard the voice of God call her and ask her to wake up.
… He asked her to go to a church as there was a man there that
needed her help. No directions were given but as she drove in her
car she seemed to know where to go and she arrived at a very
large church building: it was magnificently constructed and was a
dome-shaped hexagonal building that stretched for a great distance:
there were smaller dome-shaped buildings that were in the back-
ground: she approached the gates without hesitation and entered
a massive parking lot: there were a few cars but very little movement
and no people.
As she entered the building she saw the church and many corridors
with many offices leading off them and a few people walking around
who appeared busy with administration work: they didn’t talk or
acknowledge her or each other and appeared emotionless with very
little movement as they walked as well:
She continued to walk a distance before she saw the door to the
administrative block : it was closed. She opened it and entered
and saw an office, the door was open and as she entered she saw
a man behind a huge desk made of cherry wood: he appeared to
be the minister: he was very well groomed, not Indian, White or
Black, more Middle Eastern looking: he was very well attired in
a smart suit and he had expensive rings on each finger including
the thumbs and a watch and chain on each hand respectively:
on the right hand wall of the office she saw a display of knives:
they were Eastern, looked Chinese/Japanese. On the desk itself
she saw on the right hand side stacks of playing cards: they were
jumbo-sized, next to them were credit cards also jumbo-sized and
different brands of credit cards, some known to her like Mastercard
and Visa, and some unknown: there was more than one pile of
playing cards and credit cards and they were piled on the table.
To the left on the table she saw comic books: like Superman,
Batman and Spiderman: they were also in stacks and piled : In
the middle of the desk she saw a huge appointment book: To the
right of the desk on the floor she saw crates filled with bottled
The minister indicated to her to be seated and proceeded to tell
her about how busy he was, showing her his appointment book
with filled calender booking him for speaking engagements and
explaining to her how much he had acquired in terms of book and
tape ministry: he spoke with an arrogant, boastful tone, and used
his hands to gesticulate to indicate how much wealth was in his
possession: his right hand kept touching the credit cards and
playing cards as he spoke and his left hand kept touching the
comics as he spoke. He then asked her what she was doing there
and she told him, God sent me because you need my help: He
then began to boastfully say how no help was needed : she then
looked to the left of the office and in the corner stood a statue of
Christ: almost like how a painting of Christ is depicted but in
statue form: she felt rather than stone or marble this resembled
more a life-like statue like you get in Madame Tussard’s. As she
continued to look at the statue while the man continued to
expound on why no help was needed, she had a sense that there
was life in the statue – especially in the eyes looking at her.
At this point she got up and walked out of the office and began
walking to her car: as she reached the outside of the building, she
heard the voice of God again, talking to her in a tongue, saying to
her, I asked you to come here because this man needs your help.
As she protested that the man had stated that he didnt need her
help, she heard again the voice of God speaking to her in a tongue
telling her to go back and help the man. She made her way back
to the office and as she entered to sit down, the man said to her,
What are you doing here, I told you I don’t need your help: as he
spoke to her he was lifting his right hand and sweeping it across
as if to say, see what I have: this was when she noticed that his
left arm was missing: it had been cleanly severed at the shoulder
joint between the bone and the sleeve of the jacket and shirt had
been neatly severed as well: she noticed that it has been surgically
removed because of the cleanness of the cut and that the scar
was completely healed: she then looked at the statue and at the
feet, she saw the man’s left arm: it was still covered in the suit
and shirt and in the hand of the severed left arm was clutched a knife.
The man then started to ask her what she was doing there and as
she said, God told me that you need my help, he stopped her and
said, I don’t need your help: I can use my right hand to do whatever
I want and a few people entered the room and one of them handed
him a bottle of mineral water which he lifted with his right hand to
his mouth to drink, demonstrating to her that her help was not
needed. He then said, I have 2300 (not sure of the exact number
he mentioned but it was around this number) of people who work
for me who can get me what I want: I don’t need your help.
At this point, Bubsie got up and left the room and the building: as
she was driving away in her car, again the voice of God remonstrated
with her in a tongue that He had told her to come here to help the
man and asked her to turn the car back, which she did. This time
when she reached the office, she saw immediately that the right
hand was missing and as she looked at the feet of the statue,
there was the right hand clutching the cards in the hand. The man
began to say confidently that she was not needed as he still had
his legs and he could walk to get to what he needed.
She left the office again and this time she reached the carpark
when the voice of God again in a tongue told her to go back to
help the man. When she got to the office, she immediately looked
at the statue and at the feet lay the left leg of the man, with the
shoe and sock taken off: again the neat severing, the surgical
healed scar: no jagged edges, no blood: she was not shocked or
even upset, merely observant, and each time she entered the
office she sat in the chair opposite the man and looked at him
and said, God told me to come here as there is a man here that
needs my help: The man said to her I don’t need your help, see,
I can still stand on one leg. He was not as confident and arrogant
and she sensed an uncertainty and anxiety in him but she got up and left.
She made it to the door of the building before the voice of God
spoke again telling her, I told you to come here : this man needs
your help. She turned back and when she got to the office, she
didn’t see him and she thought, oh good, he’s gone. And then as
she looked at the statue, the eyes of the statue were looking down
to where the man’s chair was, directing her attention to the chair:
she went around the desk and saw the man slumped in the chair:
the right leg had been neatly severed. At this point the people
that had offered him water from before came into the room and
lifted the man in the chair and strapped him into the chair with
what looked like a seat-belt: the man asked her, What are you
doing here? and she said, God told me to come here, you need my help.
The man looked at her without arms and without legs and he said,
I still have my intellect and my connections and I can be carried
around by my people to where I need to go so I don’t need your
help. She noticed though that there was no longer confidence and
some degree of fear in him as he spoke. She got up and left the
office and reached the end of the adminsitration building when the
voice of God spoke to her again and said, Come now, I told you
to come here because the man needs your help.
As she turned around to make her way back to the office, she
realized for the very first time she actually wanted to go in to help
the man. Until now she was more obedient than willing. She also
noticed that every time she had come back the daylight slowly
faded indicating the passing of time and now it was almost dusk.
As she neared the door, the voice of God told her, I want you to
be prepared for what you are going to see before you go in. As
she entered the office, again she did not see the man and she
immediately walked around the large desk to the chair: the man
had been decapitated: again a neat surgical scar which had
healed: she did not feel any horror as she looked at this scene:
She then saw the statue come alive and Jesus walked to her and
said, I want you to carry him and revive his heart:… She swept
with one hand all the stuff off the table and laid the torso on the
table, wondering how it was she was supposed to revive the man’s
heart: She opened the shirt and then looked towards the knives
on the wall as if to see whether she should use a knife to get to
the heart and Jesus said to her, No, just touch him. As she touched
the chest, the entire sternum split in half: this time it was a fresh
cut and she saw the blood line at the point of severing and the two
parts of the chest lifted up: both her and Jesus peered in at the
same time into the chest cavity: as Bubsie looked where the heart
should be, she saw *a stone*:
Jesus did not look surprised by what He saw, but Babsie was: it
was not in the shape of a heart, rather it was just a stone that
you see at the side of the road: and as she thought, Now what
am supposed to do, am I supposed to revive the stone? She felt
the hand of Jesus touch her outstretched hand moving it away:
and He said, *No, don’t touch it, It’s too late.* And she woke up.
When she woke up she asked the Father what she saw: She felt
that *the knives* represented the church’s dependence on its own
weaponry and other sources instead of the the Sword of truth,
*the comics* with fantasy superheroes its powerless ineffective
ego-founded demonstration of signs and wonders that have no real
power, *the playing cards* and *credit cards* it’s gambling in the
world of mammon with the prosperity gospel. The statue was the
Spirit of Christ, paralysed and confined to an image for identity’s
sake, more than anything, only allowed to come to life when the
head was severed; the bottled mineral water, being its reliance on
its own water supply, not the fresh living water that comes from
the Father. The absence of genitalia she saw as its inability to
be carriers of seed, or reproduce the life of God or bear fruit. The
arrogance and refusal to acknowledge its plight until it was too
late, despite the many times the Father had sent His prophets in
to offer help, had both of us weeping.
The most chilling aspect was that Jesus as Advocate and Redeemer
and Bridegroom was the one who said to the prophet ‘don’t touch it,
it’s too late’ when the true heart of this system was revealed to be stone.
She had one question – Why did you send me there to help, when
you knew it was too late? And she felt that the Father had sent
His prophets time and time again – and with each Sword of Truth
had exposed and severed first, the false sword (doctrine/deception)
in the church system (the knife in the cut-off left hand), next to be
exposed by the Sword of Truth was the prosperity gospel (cards
in the cut-off right hand), next the lie of the false gospel being
preached was exposed (the cut-off leg with the foot exposed),
then the false leadership structure exposed (the head): all of these
were done and sealed (healed scars) the fresh cut to expose the
true heart required the prophetic witness and is the final aspect.
This is so occult and horrendously demonic I can even begin to go through all the details as to why. In fact no explanation is needed here, if this does not shock you, then you need to ask yourself why? What is wrong in your life that you can accept such a horrid story as being from God. The Holy Spirit will NEVER agree to this. But there is a false spirit who will agree.
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When I first read this, I got two scriptures from the Lord concerning the stone heart.
Ezek. 11:10 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
Ezek. 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Just because a heart is stone, does not mean it is too late. God bless. Cheryl
It reads like a horror film ,with Jesus as the psycho killer
I believe that this dream is exactly portraying the leadership of God’s people. And if anyone thinks it is to gory, look at the cross, and if you can’t see the cross then look at the old Testament
I am sure you do. I tell you what, instead of reading stupid dreams that sound like horror stories, why don’t you read your bible instead.
This is a very definite warning from God. They always tried to discredit the true Prophets who were sent by God to help. The refusal can turn those who are making gain from the gospel from hearts of flesh back to stone. What if a man gain the whole world and lose his soul. How far will one go and refuse help to gain what? We lose our souls piece by piece sometimes not all at once, it is like the frog in the boiling water.
This dream was from God. The bible is filled with warnings from God. Look at King Nebuchadnezzar’s Dreams, and the infamous writing on the wall also. This is a God dream.
>> This dream was from God
Seriously? Really? How can you be so sure?
Jonah in the belly of a whale ?
Joseph abandoned for dead by his brothers and his dreams ?
Anyone other than Levitical priests who touch the ark die ?
The brutality of calvary ?
Pharaoh’s demise ?
Slaughtering was the way of life in Elijah’s time
Dreams from God are specific for usually a precise interpretation.
The Kingdom of God is not for the faint hearted
God told Joshua to be strong and Jerimiah not to fear man,
Therefore saints the strong take the kingdom by force !!!
The weak will be made strong.
God exalts the humble !!
That’s just fantastic (not)…but what does it mean in relation to this topic?
>> saints the strong take the kingdom by force !
Jesus is the Kingdom of God, why would you want to take Him by force.
Matthew 11:12 ” From the days of John the Baptist until now the Kingdom
of heaven has been forcefully advancing, and forceful men lay hold of it.”
We are taking with us and in us the kingdom of God to reveal to a lost and depraved world that there is a redeemer (Jesus Christ)
Deborah what do you take with you when you are in the world ?
Oh my apologies I thought you were a Joel’s army supporter trying to march your way in and take the ‘Kingdom of God’ by force.
So now tell me, what has your poem-thingie got to to with the TOPIC/ARTICLE? Are you saying that this hideous vision this woman had is from God and actually worth something?
It seems that you should be going through all the reasons why you think the dream is demonic Deborah. If what you claim to be discerning really is from Christ you should WANT to share (be compelled to share no less!) all the details of the deception, and bring it to light, not keep it in the ‘darkness’ of your own mind.
Just because we find something uncomfortable or inconvenient, or even horrifying, does not mean it’s not from God. I find the idea that it is MY sin that lead to the cruel suffering of a perfect Man, pretty horrifying, for example.
Revelation 22:11 says (of the times before the return of Christ): “Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is holy continue to be holy.”
Clearly there is a time when we have to leave the evil to their own devices, and to stop casting pearls before swine.
Apparently you can’t tell that something ‘uncomfortable or inconvenient, or even horrifying‘ is from Satan.
“Love your enemies. Do good to those who hate you. Bless those who curse you. Pray for those who spitefully use you…Sell what you have and give the money to the poor…Take up your cross and follow me…Take no thought for food and clothing.” Most of these things sound somewhat uncomfortable and/or inconvenient. Are you saying such teachings are from Satan?
“Everyone who desires to live Godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.” Not very convenient or comfortable. A wee bit scary-sounding, (or dare I say ‘horrifying’?) too.
Yes, because Satan comes as an angel of light.
Deborah, I was quoting Jesus (and the apostle Paul).
You think Satan does not know the Bible and quote it back to Jesus? Satan knows the bible better than you and will come as an angel of light and hoodwink you with rubbish dreams and visions like this.
//This is so occult and horrendously demonic I can even begin to go through all the details as to why. In fact no explanation is needed here, if this does not shock you, then you need to ask yourself why? What is wrong in your life that you can accept such a horrid story as being from God. The Holy Spirit will NEVER agree to this. But there is a false spirit who will agree.//
Be careful of calling things demonic which could be God Inspired messages. Be careful hinting that I am writing this inspired by a false spirit. Just for the record. Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He is the way, the truth and the life and the only way to God the Father.
Now with what spirit did I say that?
Interpreting dreams can be a prophetic act.It can also be divination. All depends on your relationship with God which depends on your faith or not in Christ
Prophecy has never meant to be 100% accurate. 1 Cor 1-13 explains.
I have had dreams in which I did understand the symbols and its been useful. And it never detracted or added to the Word of God. And I have never known any other God than the God of the Bible, the Father of Christ so please don’t condemn me for having dreams!
God decided when He wants to speak to whom in ways He chooses. Dreams I find is common. And I don’t hang out with people involved in the occult.
However God will not contradict Himself iow overturn his written word.
I would really like you to into the details as to why you view this so horrendously demonic…
Who told God to stop speaking to people in dreams? Just because its not an exact science does not mean its demonic or occult.
But the dream was meant for “Bubsie”. Between her and God. We do not need new revelations about greed in churches…No we can read what Jesus did with the money exchangers…nor do we need new revelations about Pharisees and all the other characters Jesus had to deal with.
We have the Bible.
We do not need to know trough “Bubsies” dream that some churches are so traditional they operate without the Holy Spirit…or that in some churches there are clowns, prosperity teachers…
Common known fact.
We need to know that the message of 1 Cor 13 is important. It’s everlasting…the message.
Love being the most important. Love this topic of discussion!
Francois, I saw this after I answered your last post on another thread. You sound like two different people.Now I am the one who is confused about who you are.
Can you give a New Testament example of God speaking through dreams except for the reference in Joel?
There is a danger in depending upon extrabiblical revelation – that is how cults are founded.
>>Prophecy has never meant to be 100% accurate. 1 Cor 1-13 explains.<<
Exactly why people fell for David Koresh and Jim Jones… They were fed rat poison. 99% good food and 1% poison. And the end result?
Really Francois!.. you can shout… but don't twist AND shout
An area of good fruit has to do with sound doctrine. We are exhorted in the Scriptures to give attention to sound doctrine, or proper scriptural teaching.
A false prophet will subtly pervert the teaching of Scripture. He will give it in a slightly twisted way in order to serve his own ends. That is why it is so important for us to get into the Bible for ourselves, in order not to be deceived by those who twist Scripture.
Had the followers of David Koresh or Jim Jones been Biblically grounded they would have probably never fallen for their deceptive claims. (whether it be dreams or words)
I cannot see how 1 Cor 1-13 explains anything about prophecy? 1Cor 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
If a prophet is not 100% correct, he is a prophet from hell, not from God.
Jer 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.
Deut 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
In Matthew 1:20, Joseph (Jesus’ father/Mary’s husband) speaks to an angel in a dream who tells him to marry Mary.
In Matthew 2:12 the wise men from the east who visited Jesus as an infant were also warned in a dream/s not to go see Herod again after seeing Jesus.
In Matthew 2:13 Joseph is told in a dream to take Jesus and Mary to Egypt (to avoid Herod)
In Matthew 2:19 Joseph is told in a dream (yet again) to head out of Egypt and back to Judea.
In Matthew 2:22 Joseph is warned even one more time in a dream to not go into Judea but to turn aside into Galilee.
In Matthew 27:19 I think it’s Pilate’s wife has had dreams about Jesus, and warns Herod to not have anything to do with Jesus.
There is of course the verse from Joel, also. I am not sure why that one is somehow not ‘valid’. It may have first been spoken in the Old Testament, but it’s application was in the New Testament.
Lumila, you are correct. But we have to keep in mind that these folks did NOT have the Holy Spirit and the Word of God. Now we have both and we don’t need dreams and visions because all we need is the Holy Spirit and God’s written, inspired Word.
The common thread with cults is extrabiblical relevation. Some people build their ministries around dreams and visions and it is faulty ground.
Correct you are.
[deleted – Evan go read your bible properly before you comment here again]