BIG SPENDERS: Ray McCauley and wife Zelda Picture: SEFAKO MABUYA - © 2009 AVUSA, Inc.
Right now I wish it was the 1st of April because Ray McCauley is in serious financial debt and you can help him out, no really, you can help him out and send him your cash.
But we have decided that instead of sending him cash, cheques and electronic money transfers via the Internet we will recommend the following books that we believe will assist him greatly:
- Ray McCauley: Expect More: Living Your Vision
- Morris Cerullo: Financial Breakthrough Bible
- Joel Osteen: Your Best Life Now: 7 Steps to Living at Your Full Potential
- Joel Osteen: Making Wise Choices – Your Decisions Determine Your Destiny
- TD Jakes: Reposition Yourself: Living Life Without Limits
- Joyce Meyer: Prepare to Prosper: Moving from the Land of Lack to the Land of Plenty
- Joyce Meyer: The Secret Power of Speaking God’s Word
- John Bevere: Honor’s Reward: How to Attract God’s Favor and Blessing
- Kenneth Copeland: Laws Of Prosperity – The Principles With Kenneth Copeland – September 20-22, 1984 – Live From The Church At Eagle Mountain – Forth Worth, Texas
- Joseph Prince: Destined to Reign: The Secret to Effortless Success, Wholeness and Victorious Living
- Kenneth E. Hagin: You Can Have What You Say!
Or, better yet, there is this thing called debt counselling where you learn to manage your money like an adult. I also recommend you have a psychological assessment done as you display the classic signs of a white collar criminal who cunningly steals from people using the best of tactics: playing on people’s emotions with regards to health and finances. You place people under spiritual bondage that if they don’t pay tithes God will not be pleased with them, and you do all of this using the name of Jesus Christ.
As for your son, well his only concern is that he won’t get any more pocket money if your life goes pear shaped…
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‘Bail Rhema’s Ray out of debt’
Son’s plea to guests at high-living McCauley’s 60th birthday party
Oct 24, 2009 10:37 PM | By Karen Van Rooyen
http://www.timeslive.co.za/sundaytimes/article165051.ece © 2009 AVUSA, Inc.
His megachurch collects tithes and offerings of around R70-million a year and he lives the life of a millionaire, but Pastor Ray McCauley needs his flock to bail him out financially
His son, Joshua, 26, has gone cap in hand to about 100 close friends and family to help get his dad, the leader of the Rhema Bible Church, out of debt.
Joshua’s impassioned plea was attached to an invitation to McCauley’s surprise 60th birthday party at the Sandton Convention Centre on Thursday night in “Old Hollywood” style.
“I would love nothing more than to help my father settle his existing debt and see him go into his 60s debt-free,” he wrote.
“As his son, I have felt it in my heart and now humbly request that, should you be considering giving him a gift for his 60th, you consider participating with me in this endeavour.”
McCauley and his wife, Zelda, recently announced that they would be moving back to Johannesburg, after several years of flying from Durban – where they lived in a R6.5-million beachfront mansion – to lead services at the 40000-strong Randburg congregation.
Depending on how the offerings went this week, this year’s gift is likely to be more substantial than the R2030 pair of Prada sunglasses Joshua bought for his dad in 2007. At the time, he billed the church for “Ps Ray’s birthday gift”.
In his quest to help his dad, Joshua described how “from a young boy”, he watched his father “do his utmost to walk the talk”. [DFA: okie dokie then]
“You may be aware of the challenges my family has faced, but no matter what the circumstances, I saw my dad be true to the convictions of his faith,” his letter read.
“As his son, it is my greatest wish to honour him with a gift that I know will change his life forever.” [DFA: The god of money is known to do that.]
Joshua has refused to reveal how guests responded. [DFA: well one of them responded by spilling the beans, it would seem.]
“I don’t believe it’s anybody’s business. I only gave that letter to his close private friends and family. It probably went to about 100 people,” he said. [DFA: ok, confusion reigns here in sanity land, if it's no ones business then why are you asking others for money?]
“The reality is that I did it without his knowledge.” [DFA: and that changes what? Nothing.]
The charismatic pastor’s money woes come as a surprise, as he is believed to earn more than R100000 a month, and he and his wife have often hit the headlines over their penchant for the finer things in life.
A few years ago, Zelda arrived at a Sunday Times interview carrying a Fendi handbag, and McCauley rode up on his Harley-Davidson motorbike.
Zelda once told the Sunday Times that the secret to her cleavage was Victoria’s Secret, the exclusive underwear range.
“I particularly love French and Italian lace. It may be a bit pricey, but a girl has got to feel good about how she looks,” she said.
McCauley’s birthday was celebrated just days before the 30th anniversary conference of the Rhema Bible Church at the Dome, north of Johannesburg, this weekend. [DFA: See article here: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/10/20/ray-mccauley-and-joel-osteen-at-the-coca-cola-dome-oct-09]
Guests at the conference included pastors Joel and Victoria Osteen, from one of the fastest-growing churches in the US, pastor Joseph Prince from Singapore and two-time Grammy winner Israel Houghton and New Breed. According to the church website, Karen Zoid, Joe Niemand and Kabelo were also due to perform. [DFA: Karen Zoid? No way! People will do anything to get in on that massive Gospel money making bandwagon.]
Thursday night’s birthday party was only for the “rich and famous,” according to a disgruntled church member.
“Ordinary citizens and staff of the church were not invited. It’s an abomination what’s happening in that church,” he said. [DFA: aah, it's an abomination that the invitation was not extended to the entire world, but preaching lies and deception is ok. You would think that would have been this disgruntled church members main concern. No, he/she is upset that they were not invited. Am I missing something here? No I am not.]
McCauley has been under pressure over his lavish life-style. Last year he was criticised for spending R25000 on meals, including R365 bottles of Meerlust Merlot, in just over a month.
Zelda, who grew up in an orphanage, said in a magazine interview in 2004 that she set aside Wednesdays for personal pampering, including Botox treatments and massages.
“My appearance is important to me,” she said. “I believe God expects a wife to look good for her husband.” [DFA: wonder what the first wife did when Botox didn't exist on the market.]
She said she also shared a weakness with her husband – shopping. “In America, we love hunting for bargains in big shopping centres such as Saw Grass Mill. We love giving to others just as much.”
The worst enemy of prophets and latterday “preachers” is time.For prophets when their prophecies don’t come to pass.
Modern preachers,when there materialism sucks them in so deep -they are exposed.”
My father would always quote;”By there fruits,you shall know them”
Eddy
Yip, that’s why they stopped giving dates when giving prophecies aha ;) Cindy Jacobs gave a prophecy for Zim back in 1999 with no date as to when Zim would be the bread basket of Africa again. Hmm I must find that article I wrote and put it back online – I got a lot of slack for that one.
Is this it one of two:
There are treasure of darkness that have waited till this hour in Africa to be released for the greatest harvest that continent has ever seen, and that the Africans will help protect and heal America, the Lord showed me that. And that which was despised, God is going to bring a humility into the heart of those in America to humble themselves to receive this word because it is in the healing of the nation that is going to come the receiving of the Africans.
The Lord is showing me that He is getting ready to build an east to the west road across Africa that will physically open up the heart of Africa. The Lord shows me that He is getting ready to reach the unreached and He is going to break open North Africa, break it open. I’m telling you God is going to break it open.
Hey DTW:you know what i found is that the main line ministers are not such a problem in a sense-they go big and fall big-they are so in your face with falcicity.
I find scary the local in your communiy attending your lacal”church” girls and boys that influence prophecy localy– these really cause serious damage and devasting destruction-they post there prohpecy for the benefit of there local pals and minister into all aspects of there lives.
By the way that good response for Ray and Zelda-in my estimation he should have been struck from the role as “minister” when he divorced the fisrst time.”his life example is ‘do what i preach dont,follow what i do”
On that must be a new prophecy, It got one way worse..lol
And you are absolutely correct. It’s actually a planned tactic by these Apostolic people to go after the youth as they are the least discerning. This whole generation x thing, and Hillsong etc. Calling fire down onto children and the youth, a spirit of deception to blind them to the truth. Children are also taken to camps and retreats by the church and taught spirituality and meditation. Also taught how to prophecy. Hands laid on them for transferance of annointings. Visions, trips to heaven.
I actually need to urgently write an article on the Latter Rain army that is being built and the memebers of this army are quite unsuspecting I might add. Latter Rain / New Apostolic actually believe that since 1947 we are in the Joel 2 prophecy where the Holy Spirit is coming down and people are propechying and dreaming dreams. They’ve gone and again applied scripture meant solely for israel to the ‘church’. I found out disturbing news other day that new apostolic christians are slowling moving into Israel. Setting up churches and Jews are now coming to know the Latter Rain ‘Jesus Christ’
Yeah and Ray should have been dropped as a minister after he chased his first wife away. But apparently the ‘BOARD’ decided to should stay.
these people should be ashamed of themselves. they are just drooling with greed! YUCK!
God will take away all his wealth. And when this happens Ray will then understand faith. Who needs GOD when you have so much wealth. You cannot serve 2 masters. Living your life daily and asking GOD to provide for your daily needs is an exercise well needed in the body of Christ today.
I heard recently that Ray preached a sermon I once heard while under that Ministry. “Touch not Gods Anointed” He loves that sermon. He related a story of his neigbour who took him to court and his neighbour dropped down dead. I know the whole truthful story.
His neighbour was my brother Norman Reeves and it was my brother and Ray who Mrs Oppenheimer took to court as they stole her beach sand when they had those terrible storms in Durban a few years back. Mrs Oppenheimer won the case and both Norman and Ray had to pay back the legal fees. My brother did die but not as he touched Gods anointed, Ray and him were big buddies.
Ray be very careful on how you twist the truth to suit your stories on a Sunday. You are a great story teller.
Ray McCauley: Expect More: Living Your Vision
Morris Cerullo: Financial Breakthrough Bible
Joel Osteen: Your Best Life Now: 7 Steps to Living at Your Full Potential
Joel Osteen: Making Wise Choices – Your Decisions Determine Your Destiny
TD Jakes: Reposition Yourself: Living Life Without Limits
Joyce Meyer: Prepare to Prosper: Moving from the Land of Lack to the Land of Plenty
Joyce Meyer: The Secret Power of Speaking God’s Word
John Bevere: Honor’s Reward: How to Attract God’s Favor and Blessing
Kenneth Copeland: Laws Of Prosperity – The Principles With Kenneth Copeland – September 20-22, 1984 – Live From The Church At Eagle Mountain – Forth Worth, Texas
Joseph Prince: Destined to Reign: The Secret to Effortless Success, Wholeness and Victorious Living
Kenneth E. Hagin: You Can Have What You Say!
OR
The Secret…………(only known by the secret powers of darkness, the mighty men controlling this world by the power of Satan through all governments of the world rejecting the Holy Word (Bible) of God Almighty and tax people with a burden and overworking not to give time unto their Creator but unto the material things of this world for the delight, pleasure and lust of the flesh and the world by mammon)
O please why mentioned all these people and their writings…..I have a great concern with most of them and in my spirit unto them there is a clash I do not want to remain……
Why not refer him/them to the BIBLE and by prayer, the ultimate KJV – 1611, and unto Jesus Christ and so he may pass the preachers (Telepreachers) of prosperity and comfort, health and wealth whereby their wealth and prosperity will never ever buy or bail their precious souls out of the eternal great lake of fire.
It is a good thing to bring and reveal the unrighteousness and works of darkness unto the light but we must be very carefull as such not to judge as they may repent like Jimmy Swaggart did some years ago, also David in the great sin by murdering.
My very soul is wheeping and crying with a loud voice unto my Father in heaven and Jesus Christ our beloved Saviour and Redeemer for the redemption of our people to get back to God in Jesus Christ with repentence of sin and the rejection of the powers of darkness of this world, to come into His light by His grace and everlasting love because God Father hate sin and if sinners refuse to repent, He will reject them as they tramp the precious blood of Jesus by their sins.
Also if we do not warn the sinners and be quiet witnesses of sins committed, then we are partakers and will be spit out of His mouth…….unless we are doers of His Word with love, respect and obedient unto Him with all our hearts and live and speak out the witness we bare of His great salvation in our lives.
Blessed is he that have an ear to hear what God Almighty says and want us to do…..to be His holy ones…..If you want…..too……
Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
louise
You kidding?
I would not lie about that. Google it. Norman died of a heart attack in his Home and he and ray use to take walks on the beach. When I say that birds of a feather flock together I know what that saying means. My brother, actually step brother was not a man you messed with. I failed to go to his funeral for my own personal reasons.
Lol just read that. I would not lie period.
louise
Oh I believe you, I was just shocked and my only reply I could think of was ‘you are kidding’? Now all I can say is, ‘wow’. Honestly that’s possibly the worst story I have heard to date.
I recently engaged in dialog with ******** over their promotion and devotion of Joseph Prince. I pointed out that his version of the Gospel is perverted to include guarantee of good health and power to obtain wealth. This didn’t phase these folks and they insisted that his teachings and sermons are biblical and they continued to defend him. I am not in any way judging their heart or those who support them, but they are deceived.
I am sure these are nice people who love the Lord, but they are playing in the pit and spurning discernment. Then I noticed that they link to Sid Roth and I knew it was a hopeless cause to further dialog. They blasted me for daring to question Prince and they even defended TBN. Oh my! This is truly sad.They are looking for the Rapture but they are missing one of the major signs, the falling away of which they are a part.
I learned of this site through another site called ********. This is the sister who had the dream I questioned and suggested I listen to David Auwor. Not sure of the spelling. I told her I don’t believe in extra bibical revelation and that he has made false prophecies.
The deception is astounding!! May God open their eyes!
[Edited: Names of websites removed until further notice ;)]
BL
WOW. NOW THAT IS INTERESTING NEWS. They support Joseph Prince? Ok… let me just stop and think for a bit.. ok.. this is nuts. Benny Hinn makes more sense than Joseph Prince when he preaches. How on earth… I last watched a sermon of Joseph Prince on TBN (I could only tolerate 4 minutes) and it was all about Grace. But the occult version of grace, not the biblical version.
My goodness… when you thought you’ve seen and heard it all, another one bites the dust.
BL
>> Then I noticed that they link to Sid Roth
I dunno what it is today, but it seems I have to read comments twice cos I am missing stuff. SID ROTH!! Oh my word… I think it’s time to bring out those headache pills again. I am sure you have run out since the last batch I faxed to you haha.
Louise, durban is a small place, Norman Reeves was well known for his ‘way of life’ – sad as his death was, for you and his sons, becareful with your judgement! To the rest of you at DTW- I thank God almighty that He is who He is, my judge and that you are not God because then everyone will be condemend to eternal hell! As you might have noticed and I guess deleted, I have commented on several of your topics, each time in the hope that I find just one where I can see the love of Jesus working in you and through you, but sadly NOPE!! NOTHING! NADDA! just condemnation, judging and pointing fingers….how does it feel to be as holy and pure as you? Oh and BTW.. If you had bothered to watch the actual LIVE sermon of Cindy Jacobs and her husband re the golden calf, and not the edited you tube version, you would actually have been able to correctly establish that the truth was that they were not praying to it but praying against it and binding the spiritual forces of mammon that it respresents.. Don’t know where you get the time to still bear all that fruit of salvation -because you have brought 100′s of 1000′s to the Lord Jesus haven’t you, I mean you must have, that is why you can rightfully critizise the large ministries that actually go out of their comfort zones, preach the gospel to the nations, build orphanges, feed the hungry…..I mean obviously you do all that whilst stil googling up trash on people. May you reap 1000 times what you sow and may God allow you to be treated with the same mercy and grace that you show others. You can quote all the scripture you want, but you have only head knowledge and noheart knowledge and you definately have no illumination of the
to continue from above…you have no illumination of the Holy Spirit, because if you did you would know, by the Spirit, that when the pastors are saying we are the word, they mean that we are to open our mouths and declare the word of God to the world…We are the vessels through which God works, no where have any of these pastors declared that we are not to read the Word and that Jesus has become nullified, because Jesus after all is the Word, so if you were enlightened spiritually you would understand what they are saying. WE ARE TO BE JESUS IN THE FLESH TO A DYING WORLD!! all you do is preach religion,, which by the way is what Jesus hated! Instead of googling for your info go and speak to the Holy SPirit. He has more info than google!
Theresa
You are correct for that is what you deserve.
You say
That is simply not true. We preach faith in Jesus Christ who lived a perfect life for us, who kept the Law perfectly for us and who died on the cross, bearing our sins for us so that we might be saved from the wrath of God.
You say
No, Theresa.
Theresa, you contradict yourself
and
Theresa
Theresa I suggest you start your own blog/site and stop misleading people by your non Biblical believes here.
Request the Harvest people in Umhlanga that you work for to help u start your own blog/site. Then you can use all your catch phrases there like: BINDING, NEW WINE, MANIFESTATIONS, MANIFESTING, PROPHECYING AND TONGUE SPEAKING AND GIBERISH AND LAYING ON OF HANDS, SLAYING IN THE SPIRIT, HARVESTING etc etc Oh don’t forget the TRANCES, MEDITATION, CENTERING PRAYER and you can furthermore promote and discuss and worship all the false New Age preachers and teachers on your own site. NOT HERE !!!
Burning Lamp said: “Then I noticed that they link to Sid Roth and I knew it was a hopeless”
This is a bit off-topic but still about false teachers. I was wondering about this Sid Roth as some websites reveals Mary K Baxter with whom Sid had an interview as being false. http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/mary_k_baxter.htm and http://so4j.com/false-visits-to-heaven-and-hell-bob-dewaay.php
Just a cursory look at Roth’s website and viewing his program reveals his fascination with signs and wonders. His interview with Patricia King and his session with other false teachers claiming to open a portal to heaven right in the studio. His sincerity is not in question and he seems like a nice gentleman. He seems to truly believe this stuff. May the Lord open his eyes.
Burning Lamp
Yip I share the same views here as you stated BL. :-)
Theresa
Good grief, you just trashed the scripture of
1 John 4.
1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
4 You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. 5 They are of the world. Therefore they speak as of the world, and the world hears them. 6 We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.
7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. 8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love. 9 In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him. 10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.
Theresa, Yes you are so right about judging which I fail with and each day and I have to go before GOD and ask for forgiveness for ALL my sins. My SALVATION is an on going walk with GOD. Now I must tell you from the bible that we are to contend for the faith. How can you test Ray without ever meeting or getting to know him. He does not take calls if you are a none entity in life. In addition he does not just meet anyone. Trust me I tried. Just because he said GOD called him do you believe him. have you tested him Theresa. If not you are not reading your bible.
I was simply pointing out that I know both Parties Norman and Ray so I was and am able to talk from first hand information. The truth is harder to accept and its thru the truth that we are able to climb out of the meassage of the Prosperity teachings. In Revealtion it mentions the luke warm church.lets quote Revealtion 14 verse 17. Because you say I am rich, have become wealthy and have need of nothing – and you not know that you are wretched, miserable,poor,blind and naked.
God in fact vomits them out of his mouth. When you have the worlds riches why do you need GOD?
Oh yessss GOD blesses pleople for I am but a witnesses to his blessings, but better I am blessed with is truth than drive a BMW.
There is a need for sites like this though this site is for those people who are seeking HIS truth.You are not here by accident and if you feel that this site is harsh and judging why may i ask do you come back.
Please read Titus 1 verse 13 where he says we are to rebuke them sharply so they may sound in the faith. Norman had a filty habit of Blaspheming and yet you find him to be a great man. He could not string one sentence without blaspheming. And yet he and Ray were buddies. GOD says come out of her my people. If you are an enemy of GODS then you are an enemy of mine.
I am sure you are a well meaning lovely lady, but this much I shall tell you, time is short. We should not be messing with our lives like getting divorced or entertaining Political Heads at our church as Ray did way back when Mandela was released. It achieved nothing. We still are under the control of a Pagan goverment. Your biggest enemy Theresa is Satan and he will trick you into believeing that the faith movement is of GOD. Its not I am telling you. It began out with good intensions then the rot set in. Do you know how it set in? By not turning to the truth on a daily basis so GOD seared their conscience. Stop putting man/men on a pedestal and read your bible and cry out to GOD to show you how mis-lead you have become.
The most important thing that I can convey to you is this. There is strong evidence from the striptures that the rapture will take place soon. ARE YOU READY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am and i am so excited to meet my LORD JESUS soon.
May your walk with JESUS be a close one.
louise
Yes we hope and pray Theressa takes heed. We can only watch and pray that she finds the truth soon.
As you say:
ARE YOU READY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am and i am so excited to meet my LORD JESUS soon.
We should not fall asleep and be caught of guard. We should keep oil in our lamps and keep the burning all the time 24/7.
Luke 12:34-36 (Amplified Bible)
34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
35 Keep your loins girded and your lamps burning,
36 And be like men who are waiting for their master to return home from the marriage feast, so that when he returns from the wedding and comes and knocks, they may open to him immediately.
Sighs, Elmarie its so lovely to see that we are like minded people. It brings me joy when i see people expecting and getting excited for his return opposed to how much wealth he gives us in material profit.
louise
The only reason God created man was to glorify Him. We cannot even comprehend what it will be like in Heaven one day it is just simply too much for our mere tiny minds.
Romans 11:36
For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. [For all things originate with Him and come from Him; all things live through Him, and all things center in and tend to consummate and to end in Him.] To Him be glory forever! Amen (so be it).
1 Peter 5:10
And after you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace [Who imparts all blessing and favor], Who has called you to His [own] eternal glory in Christ Jesus, will Himself complete and make you what you ought to be, establish and ground you securely, and strengthen, and settle you.
The verses also often comes to mind nowadays :-)
Luke 18:7-9 (Amplified Bible)
7 And will not [our just] God defend and protect and avenge His elect (His chosen ones), who cry to Him day and night? Will He [a]defer them and [b]delay help on their behalf?
8 I tell you, He will defend and protect and avenge them speedily. However, when the Son of Man comes, will He find [[c]persistence in] faith on the earth?
9 He also told this parable to some people who trusted in themselves and were confident that they were righteous [that they were upright and in right standing with God] and scorned and made nothing of all the rest of men:
We must stand strong and fight the good fight and finish the race as Paul says and pray for this all the time because it will not get easier for those who stand for the truth.
1. Acts 20:24
However, I consider my life worth nothing to me, if only I may finish the race and complete the task the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the gospel of God’s grace.
2 Timothy 4:7
I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.
Peace be with you :-)
Thank you for that Almarie if I dont get to meet you here lets meet in heaven. Smiles.
louise
Me smiles tooo :-)
[...] [DTW Note: "For example, if you were given over to the sin of gossip, you would want to pray for a crop failure and not multiplication." Oh, I think Rick Warren needs to have a word with you on that comment. He had a crop failure recently where he needed to beg the public for $900,000. (See article here: Rick Warren – Gets $2.4m in Donations ). And Ray McCauley from Rhema Church in South Africa had to beg friends at his recent birthday party for money due to being in serious financial debt. (See article here: Help Bail Ray McCauley out of Debt!) [...]