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Benny Hinn – Miracle Service in Durban – 13 Mar 2010

Benny Hinn is Back is South Africa

To Con the living daylights out of People who don’t read their bibles.

So Benny ‘$1000, that’s $1000 for salvation, $1000, …going…going…gone.  Sold to the man in the back’  Hinn is back in SA.  Woe to us.

If words don’t get the message across, maybe a little cartoon will.  The below two cartoons are from Sundays English and Afrikaans newspapers – 2010-02-27.

The Afrikaans version of the cartoon below, is different from the English version.  Did they censor it so as to not offend their readers?  Do they think English people can handle the truth and Afrikaans people can’t?  Or what?  I’m confused…

Ponder, ponder…

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132 comments to Benny Hinn – Miracle Service in Durban – 13 Mar 2010

  • Monique

    “.. to con the living daylights outta people who don’t read the Bible”

    It saddens me when I visit a church and see so many people arriving without a Bible, but perhaps that is because most pastors these days don’t bother to read it from the pulpit either. Instead they prefer to paraphrase, or quote (if you are lucky) selected verses, often out of context. E.g. my favorite pet peeve : Joel Osteen who asks them to hold up their Bibles, recite a nice little statement and then never tells them to actually crack it open. Sad.

  • Sally Richardson

    Hopefully, if that charlatan of charlatans is not in SA yet, he may be denied entry, as he was in the UK.

    If in doubt, keep him out… and I hope that the SA authorities do just that.

    [Edited 2 Mar 2010: See Related posts below. I already have the article about him being denied entry into the UK under my related posts article, thanks for brining it to our attention again :)]

    Contending earnestly for the faith,
    Sally from London, UK

  • Elmarie A

    Two nice links to read that just again confirms what these people are doing.

    IS THEIR HEALING IN THE ATONEMENT?
    http://www.letusreason.org/Wf9.htm

    and

    Death by faith
    http://www.letusreason.org/Wf25.htm

    and also a you tube clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH58pgiWPsw

    Thank you DTW for your hard work.

  • Elmarie A

    Question?

    How can we get video footage of the Durban meeting???

  • Elmarie A

    My reason for the question is that we are able to discern what the man said.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Elmarie

    Benny Hinn has headoffice in SA, might even be in Durban. Give em a call and find out if you can get a dvd of the show.

  • Elmarie A

    Nose to the ground, lol lol I was not aware of that. Man oh man if that is the case it is even worse than I though.

  • Elmarie A

    So waar, you are correct, you got to be kidding me. Well yes it just goes to show.

  • Elmarie A

    In fact here is all the other dates in SA for March…

    Cape Town, South Africa — Miracle Crusade
    March 5 – March 7, 2010
    Details

    East London, South Africa — Miracle Service
    March 9, 2010
    Details

    Durban, South Africa — Miracle Crusade
    March 11 – March 13, 2010
    Details

    Phoenix, AZ — Miracle Crusade
    March 25 – March 26, 2010
    Details

  • Elmarie A

    This note below on website under event details.:

    Special Notice:

    Benny Hinn Ministries strictly follows security and privacy guidelines, as well as auditorium/coliseum policies, to allow each service to be enjoyed by all who attend. Back packs, coolers, food brought from outside the venue, and/or video cameras are expressly prohibited during all services.

    Well now are video / cameras always prohibited, I ask because I don’t know. What will the reason be?? What have they to hide??

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Elmarie

    I think they don’t want people taking photo’s of Benny Hinn and selling them with fake autographs as no money will be going into his ministry. hahaha

  • Elmarie A

    Ok the Durban thing will be held at Durban Christian Centre

    Note it is called the,

    The Jesus Dome
    The octagonal, dome structured church building, is based upon the fact that the very first church buildings that were built, were built with eight sides. Eight being the number of resurrection, and reaching out in every direction with the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. It is built with an aluminium roof, which is the largest of it’s kind in the Southern Hemisphere, and the third largest in the world. Great care has been taken to eliminate maintenance as much as possible. This landmark building now stands at the entrance of the city, next to the main freeway, as a testimony to the faithfulness of God, as well as Christian witness for the Lord Jesus Christ.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Elmarie

    The octagonal, dome structured church building, is based upon the fact that the very first church buildings that were built, were built with eight sides. Eight being the number of resurrection

    oh for crying out loud. 8 the number of ressurection? I think not. Last year the Apostles and Prophets said that 8 was the number of New Beginnings. Someone’s got their numerology all messed up.

  • Elmarie A

    >>>Great care has been taken to eliminate maintenance as much as possible.<<<

    Yes what else was eliminated, I don't have to answer we all know.

    hmmmmm

  • Elmarie A

    Phew Debs yes i agree with you.

    The pastor at Lewende Woord Brumeria preached about the very same subject you are talking about.

    I am also saying oh for crying out loud. lol

    wha ha ha ha, It is obiously not even neccesary to discern BH.

  • Elmarie A

    oops pressed the send button before i was done..lol

    I wanted to add that it is obviously clear that my intention to discern BH sayings and sighns and wonders, will be like all the other, unless he pulls a new trick from his hat.

    Yip

  • Elmarie A

    Ok that says it all wow yes talking about can of worms.
    Durban Christian Centre pastors Bio.

    Pastor Fred Bio

    Fred Roberts was raised in a Christian home his parents were converted under the Ministry of John G. Lake.

    Miracles are the norm and not the exception in his church. His wife, Nellie, ministers alongside him and is a significant reason for his success. She is a powerful prophetess in her own right.

    Pastor Nellie Bio

    She has raised four children and has a great spiritual resource when it comes to family matters.

    Pastor John Bio

    Through his preaching of Gods Word, his ability to flow strongly in the gifts of the Spirit, and his unique ability to lead others into life-transforming worship, Pastor Torrens aims to bring a new dimension to Christian living which gives all believers clear insight into the glorious, powerful life available to them today.

    oh my word need I find more..no I dont think so

  • Elmarie:

    The Benny Hinn crusade videos/DVDs are edited for time and offered through Benny Hinn Ministries.

    The videos/DVDs are also edited for things Hinn doesn’t want the public to see…

    Bud Press

  • serv.of.Christ Gerard Willemse

    I wonder how much he would charge me to give him a piece of my mind…

  • Elmarie A

    Bud Press

    Yes I was on the DCC website. I’m sure we will see something in the press about the usual claims to fame they make.

    Oh for crying out loud this man has just always given me the creeps…..sorry but I just had to say it.

    Say no more.

    serv.of.Christ Gerard Willemse

    >>I wonder how much he would charge me to give him a piece of my mind…<<

    I read Isiah 29 last night and you know it helped me allot to have more understanding about what is happening in the world.

    Isaiah 29 : 8-24(Amplified Bible)

    8It shall be as when a hungry man dreams that he is eating, but he wakens with his craving not satisfied; or as when a thirsty man dreams that he is drinking, but he wakens and is faint, and his thirst is not quenched. So shall the multitude of all the nations be that fight against Mount Zion.

    9Stop and wonder [at this prophecy, if you choose, whether you understand it or not; soon you will witness the actual event] and be confounded [reluctantly]! Blind yourselves [now, if you choose; take your pleasure] and then be blinded [at the actual occurrence]. They are drunk, but not from wine; they stagger, but not from strong drink [but from spiritual stupor].

    10For the Lord has poured out on you the spirit of deep sleep. And He has closed your eyes, the prophets; and your heads, the seers, He has covered and muffled.

    11And the vision of all this has become for you like the words of a book that is sealed. When men give it to one who can read, saying, Read this, I pray you, he says, I cannot, for it is sealed.

    12And when the book is given to him who is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray you, he says, I cannot read.

    13And the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near Me with their mouth and honor Me with their lips but remove their hearts and minds far from Me, and their fear and reverence for Me are a commandment of men that is learned by repetition [without any thought as to the meaning],

    14Therefore, behold! I will again do marvelous things with this people, marvelous and astonishing things; and the wisdom of their wise men will perish, and the understanding of their discerning men will vanish or be hidden.

    15Woe to those who [seek to] hide deep from the Lord their counsel, whose deeds are in the dark, and who say, Who sees us? Who knows us?

    16[Oh, your perversity!] You turn things upside down! Shall the potter be considered of no more account than the clay? Shall the thing that is made say of its maker, He did not make me; or the thing that is formed say of him who formed it, He has no understanding?

    17Is it not yet a very little while until Lebanon shall be turned into a fruitful field and the fruitful field esteemed as a forest?

    18And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and out of obscurity and gloom and darkness the eyes of the blind shall see.

    19The meek also shall increase their joy in the Lord, and the poor among men shall rejoice and exult in the Holy One of Israel.

    20For the terrible one [the Assyrian enemy] shall come to nought, and the scoffer shall cease, and all those who watch for iniquity [as an occasion for accusation] shall be cut off–

    21Those who make a man an offender and bring condemnation upon him with a word, and lay a trap for him who upholds justice at the city gate, and thrust aside the innocent and truly righteous with an empty plea.

    22Therefore thus says the Lord, Who redeemed Abraham [out of Ur and idolatry], concerning the house of Jacob: Jacob shall not then be ashamed; not then shall his face become pale [with fear and disappointment because of his children's degeneracy].

    23For when he sees his children [walking in the way of piety and virtue], the work of My hands in his midst, they will revere My name; they will revere the Holy One of Jacob and reverently fear the God of Israel.

    24Those who err in spirit will come to understanding, and those who murmur [discontentedly] will accept instruction.

  • Berean

    A thought on Benny Hinn.
    I genuinely fear for all those who are fooled by the deception of Benny Hinn.
    What will you all do when true deception comes?
    How will you be able to withstand the demonic deception coming soon to a city near you?
    I believe that it stems from a lack of Bible knowledge.
    Lazy Christians wanting others to study the Bible for them. Remember the manna in the Old Testament? It was to be collected daily by each person. One could not collect it for someone else.
    Please people, wake up now before it is too late.

    BEREAN

  • cecilia

    It would be a waste of time to go to the meetings; it would be a waste of time to seek video footage to watch! The leopard has not changed his dots…. he did not renounce ANY of his old habbits or ways of conducting meetings! –

    exposing this man is toooooo long to be printed out here (my research+docs)!

    so here are (at least) three very good links: http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/unmasked_____benny_hinn.html [Edited by DTW: Great Christian website, very reliable info]
    and
    http://www.csicop.org/si/show/benny_hinn_healer_or_hypnotist/ [EDITED by DTW: Not a Christian website, but good info on Benny Hinn]
    and
    http://www.satansrapture.com/bennyhinn.htm (EDITED by DTW: The guy who runs this site is not kosher. His info on Benny Hinn might be ok, however I would not trust him on anything else he says. He used to be involved with Sherry Shriner and uses the Bible Code to predict stuff)

    FACT IS:
    He uses hypnosis; he is involved with necromancy; he uses pressure points on the body when he touches people.

    naaaah, don’t waste time on this one! he even dresses like Kathryn Kuhlman – white clothes, gold dressings.

  • cecilia

    Oh I forgot! there are hundreds of video’s on YOU Tube. But why does anyone wants to spend hours and hours watching false teaching INSTEAD of spend hours and hours in the WORD OF GOD, getting it in your whole system, so you can discern when anyone does anything “out of the ordinary” that is: outside the Borders of the Word of God.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    C

    >> he even dresses like Kathryn Kuhlman – white clothes, gold dressings.

    Even walks like her. *shivers*

  • Elmarie A

    Cecilia

    Got your point 100%. Thanks.

    You are correct the leopard never changes dots or suit colours not even when he changes continents. ha ha

    My reason for the question on how to get dvd to discern was purely for wanting to know which church in SA will want to
    even invite this man to speak. Which I did a crash course on as above posts show. I Never had to copy and paste so quicly in my life. lol.

    I was also able to find out the church he was/is at in Durban DCC. I have family that goes there!!. That shocked me!!. I was not aware of who DCC was until I checked it out very quickly. I have since heeded the warning bells to my family. They told me one day about 10/11 months ago they like BH. I could not heed the warning then because I did not know what discernment was. 10/11 months ago I was also still involved in one these charismatic churches for 6 months and the whole charade.

    If I did not pose the quesion, would I have been able to warn my family?

    They will also leave DCC soon and I pray for it. This family is also currently not in SA, but overseas for 4 weeks.My question is why did they choose to go overseas now. I just Thank the Lord for his mercy, that my family was not at those services. If they where in SA they would have attended BH charade without a doubt.

  • cecilia

    I understand, E! praying with you! Keep standing then!

  • Elmarie A

    Sinister Ministers

    Benny Hinn “The wicked are piling up the funds and I love the way John [Avazini] teaches on this. He’s the best there is on how to get the wealth of the wicked. Man, I like it!” (Praise-a-Thon, TBN, 6th November 1990.)

    Years later Hinn states “Ask God to give you the wealth of the wicked and mean it” (February 28, 1997 Blaisedell center)

    Benny Hinn has people chant for their wealth “Say after me, all of you, everybody say it, ‘The wealth of the wicked is mine.’ [The audience repeats.] One more time. [The audience repeats.] One more time. [The audience repeats.]” (Praise-a-Thon, TBN, April 1990)

    http://www.letusreason.org/WF49.htm

    Old news but the leopard will never change his spots.

  • Ruoall

    Hey Guys,

    Interesting article and comments on Benny Hinn… strange character he is.

    May I ask a question or 2?

    Elmarie, you talk about Lewende Woord Brumeria… are you in the community? Reason I ask is because I had the privilage of going there for a baptism and I found the lord. Quite a day I must tell you…

    Anyway, may I have your thoughts on Dr Jack van Impe and Rod Parsley?

    Thank you,

    Ruoall

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Ruoall

    Did you find Jesus because of Lewende Woord or because you were seeking Jesus Christ in your heart and you gave your life to Him at this (church) – in other words, it was just the place and time?

    Jack van Impe and Rod Parsley are false through and through. And he is not a propper Dr. A whole bunch of falsies received their Dr. designates from Oral Roberts university…well…just because.

    Do you read your bible?

    Your asked in another comment here: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/11/30/to-tattoo-or-not-too-tattoo-that-is-the-biblical-question/#comment-9024 about a tattoo you have. I think this comment of yours and the one of the tattoo belong together – helps people reading your comments understand you better :)

  • Elmarie A

    Ruoall

    Elmarie, you talk about Lewende Woord Brumeria… are you in the community? Reason I ask is because I had the privilage of going there for a baptism and I found the lord. Quite a day I must tell you…

    I was at LW and the yeah it was quite a day of my baptism there too. I attended LW for a very short period of 7 months. My baptism was a non Biblical ritual that took place.

    I had to walk the narrow road of truth for a while before the Lord opened the Word and showed me why the happenings at LW is not biblical.

    I found an article of what Neville Norden says about speaking in tongues. .

    The speaking in tongues is mandatory at LW, they sort of force one to do it. Ruoall the spirit present on the day of my baptism was not the Holy Spirit, it took me some time to figure that one out. Neville Norden also believe that those who cannot do the speak in tongues are IGNORANT. See this link read page 7

    He further believes that if you do not speak in tongues you have not received the Holy Spirit. He also says that it is wrong for someone to say that they don’t have to speak in tongues when receiving the Holy Spirit.

    I have a lady friend who was baptised at LW and never got her gift of tongues and it has made her feel inferior for many many years. It made her doubt her Salvation and that is dangerous.

    Can you see where the dangers lie in this false teaching. It can destroy a persons faith. Nowhere in the word are we commanded that we MUST speak in tongues as a sign of being born again.

    Neville Norden claims to believe that to receive the gift on tongues stands much closer toward the traditional Penticostalism because they believe that when one is baptised you will receive the Holy Spirit.

    At Lewende Woord they also believe in Prophesying and and it forms an important part of this church as there is also a Prophetic school where one is taught how to Prophesy and practice “ones gifts”?? Yearly they have what they call Apostolic Prophetic week and the Prophesying taking place is far from Biblical.

    Shortly before I left Lewende Woord Harlod Weitz spoke a so called prophetic word over Neville Norden. see here :Prophetic Word over Nevil Norden & Pretoria (Harold Weitsz 2009-08-14) SEE AUDIO LINK http://www.lewendewoord.co.za/newsite/download.php?view.1181

    That is not Biblical either. The Prophets in the Bible was purely inspired by God and was not taught how to Prophecy by going on some course. We can not speak a prophetic word over someone as is done by Harold Weitz. The Prophets in the Bible are the only ones we should believe and not men who are putting themselves on a high table to boast.

    Neville Norden does not believe in the Rapture.That is another loooonnng story.

    Neville has allot of assosiations with false teachers like Elza Meyer, Angus Buchan, Ray Mackauley, Herlod Weitz, Randy Clarck, Gary Kiewetter, Izak Burger, Kim Clement, aggh the list goes on and on………………..

    Here below is Biblical proof that what is happening at Lewende Woord church is not Biblical.

    Ruoall

    You are in my prayers.

    ____________________________________________________________

    “Is speaking in tongues evidence for having the Holy Spirit?”

    Answer: There are three occasions in the book of Acts where speaking in tongues accompanied the receiving of the Holy Spirit—Acts 2:4, 10:44-46, and 19:6. However, these three occasions are the only places in the Bible where speaking in tongues is an evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit. Throughout the book of Acts, thousands of people believe in Jesus and nothing is said about them speaking in tongues (Acts 2:41, 8:5-25, 16:31-34, 21:20). Nowhere in the New Testament is it taught that speaking in tongues is the only evidence a person has received the Holy Spirit. In fact, the New Testament teaches the opposite. We are told that every believer in Christ has the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:9; 1 Corinthians 12:13; Ephesians 1:13-14), but not every believer speaks in tongues (1 Corinthians 12:29-31).

    So, why was speaking in tongues the evidence of the Holy Spirit in those three passages in Acts? Acts 2 records the apostles being baptized in the Holy Spirit and empowered by Him to proclaim the gospel. The apostles were enabled to speak in other languages (tongues) so they could share the truth with people in their own languages. Acts 10 records the apostle Peter being sent to share the gospel with non-Jewish people. Peter and the other early Christians, being Jews, would have a hard time accepting Gentiles (non-Jewish people) into the church. God enabled the Gentiles to speak in tongues to demonstrate that they had received the same Holy Spirit the apostles had received (Acts 10:47, 11:17).

    Acts 10:44-47 describes this: “While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles. For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God. Then Peter said, ‘Can anyone keep these people from being baptized with water? They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.’“ Peter later refers back to this occasion as proof that God was indeed saving the Gentiles (Acts 15:7-11).

    Speaking in tongues is nowhere presented as something all Christians should expect when they receive Jesus Christ as their Savior and are therefore baptized in the Holy Spirit. In fact, out of all the conversion accounts in the New Testament, only two record speaking in tongues in that context. Tongues was a miraculous gift that had a specific purpose for a specific time. It was not, and never has been, the only evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit.
    http://www.gotquestions.org/tongues-Holy-Spirit.html
    ____________________________________________________________

    “What is the gift of speaking in tongues?”

    Answer: The first occurrence of speaking in tongues occurred on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2:1-4. The apostles went out and shared the gospel with the crowds, speaking to them in their own languages: “We hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!” (Acts 2:11). The Greek word translated tongues literally means “languages.” Therefore, the gift of tongues is speaking in a language a person does not know in order to minister to someone who does speak that language. In 1 Corinthians chapters 12–14, Paul discusses miraculous gifts, saying, “Now, brothers, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction?” (1 Corinthians 14:6). According to the apostle Paul, and in agreement with the tongues described in Acts, speaking in tongues is valuable to the one hearing God’s message in his or her own language, but it is useless to everyone else unless it is interpreted/translated.

    A person with the gift of interpreting tongues (1 Corinthians 12:30) could understand what a tongues-speaker was saying even though he did not know the language that was being spoken. The tongues interpreter would then communicate the message of the tongues speaker to everyone else, so all could understand. “For this reason anyone who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret what he says” (1 Corinthians 14:13). Paul’s conclusion regarding tongues that were not interpreted is powerful: “But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue” (1 Corinthians 14:19).

    Is the gift of tongues for today? First Corinthians 13:8 mentions the gift of tongues ceasing, although it connects the ceasing with the arrival of the “perfect” in 1 Corinthians 13:10. Some point to a difference in the tense of the Greek verbs referring to prophecy and knowledge “ceasing” and that of tongues “being ceased” as evidence for tongues ceasing before the arrival of the “perfect.” While possible, this is not explicitly clear from the text. Some also point to passages such as Isaiah 28:11 and Joel 2:28-29 as evidence that speaking in tongues was a sign of God’s oncoming judgment. First Corinthians 14:22 describes tongues as a “sign to unbelievers.” According to this argument, the gift of tongues was a warning to the Jews that God was going to judge Israel for rejecting Jesus Christ as Messiah. Therefore, when God did in fact judge Israel (with the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in A.D. 70), the gift of tongues would no longer serve its intended purpose. While this view is possible, the primary purpose of tongues being fulfilled does not necessarily demand its cessation. Scripture does not conclusively assert that the gift of speaking in tongues has ceased.

    At the same time, if the gift of speaking in tongues were active in the church today, it would be performed in agreement with Scripture. It would be a real and intelligible language (1 Corinthians 14:10). It would be for the purpose of communicating God’s Word with a person of another language (Acts 2:6-12). It would be in agreement with the command God gave through the apostle Paul, “If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God” (1 Corinthians 14:27-28). It would also be in accordance with 1 Corinthians 14:33, “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.”

    God most definitely can give a person the gift of speaking in tongues to enable him or her to communicate with a person who speaks another language. The Holy Spirit is sovereign in the dispersion of the spiritual gifts (1 Corinthians 12:11). Just imagine how much more productive missionaries could be if they did not have to go to language school, and were instantly able to speak to people in their own language. However, God does not seem to be doing this. Tongues does not seem to occur today in the manner it did in the New Testament, despite the fact that it would be immensely useful. The vast majority of believers who claim to practice the gift of speaking in tongues do not do so in agreement with the Scriptures mentioned above. These facts lead to the conclusion that the gift of tongues has ceased or is at least a rarity in God’s plan for the church today.
    http://www.gotquestions.org/gift-of-tongues.html

    ____________________________________________________________

    “What is the Pentecostal Church (Pentecostalism) and what do Pentecostals believe?”

    Answer: Pentecostalism is a fairly modern movement within Christianity that can be traced back to the Holiness movement in the Methodist Church. A major focus of Pentecostal churches is Holy Spirit baptism as evidenced by speaking in tongues. There are approximately 170 different denominations that identify themselves as Pentecostal.

    Toward the end of the 19th century, there was a dramatic rise in religious fervor as various groups anticipated the end of history and the return of Christ in 1900. Much of this fervor was driven by the revival meetings held by those in the Holiness movement, and there were occasional reports of people speaking in tongues. The first widespread use of tongues was at a revival in Topeka, Kansas, in January, 1900, led by Charles Parham. Agnes Ozman, a Methodist, began to speak in tongues, and others in the meeting eventually followed suit. In 1906, a series of revival meetings on Azusa Street in Los Angeles led to a widespread experience of tongues-speaking, which spread to many parts of the country. The meetings were led by William Seymour, one of Charles Parham’s students. Parham and Seymour eventually parted ways, because Parham believed many of the manifestations shown at Azusa Street were of the flesh, or perhaps even demonic. By 1909, Seymour had excluded all but African-Americans from holding office in the mission, and the ministry eventually faded into history.

    Though the Azusa Street mission had a brief life, its impact on the Pentecostal movement has been a lasting one. Many new churches and missions were founded across America which carried the new emphasis on seeking the baptism of the Spirit as evidenced by speaking in tongues. Today there are over 200,000,000 denominational Pentecostals, and another 200,000,000 who identify themselves as Pentecostal or charismatic in mainline churches.

    There are three main divisions within the Pentecostal movement. The original group which came out of the Holiness churches (Methodist and Nazarene), sees three progressive steps in the life of a believer which indicate growth and blessing. The first step is justification, which is the forgiveness of sins that comes from putting faith in Jesus Christ. The second step is sanctification, or the second blessing, which was first taught by John Wesley in his “A Plain Account of Christian Perfection” (1766). The essence of this doctrine is an inner purity of heart and an infusion of power, whereby the believer no longer practices sin. This is sometimes followed by the third step, the “baptism of the Spirit” as evidenced by speaking in tongues or other signs. The Church of God in Christ and the Church of God, Cleveland, TN are two major denominations in this group.

    The second division is those who came out of a Baptist background, but were heavily influenced by the Holiness revivals of the late 1800s. The Assemblies of God was founded in 1914 under the leadership of Eudorus N. Bell, who had been a Southern Baptist pastor. The key difference in doctrine for this group is that the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is available for anyone, regardless of attaining sanctification.

    The third division are the Oneness Pentecostals. At the meeting which formed the Church of God in Christ (1914), there was intense debate over Trinitarian doctrine. While the majority of Holiness believers held to the traditional belief in the Trinity, there was a growing group which held to a modalist belief and affirmed that baptism should be done in Jesus’ name only. Another tenet of this group is the necessity of speaking in tongues as evidence of salvation. This group was to form the United Pentecostal Church and the Apostolic Pentecostal Church, among others.

    What are we to make of this movement? The early Holiness believers recognized that Christianity ought to result in visible changes in a person’s life. The focus of many early prayer meetings was to “throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles” (Hebrews 12:1). These earnest believers wanted to run their race faithfully, and were seeking God’s help to do so. As that earnestness gave way to emotional religious fervor, doctrines were developed to explain and support the emotions and experiences. For many today, the emphasis is on the excitement, the experience, or the new word of prophecy. Some of the questionable foundations laid by John Wesley (i.e. a second blessing of perfection) paved the way for later Pentecostal doctrines of new works of the Spirit. Many Pentecostals allow experience to trump Scriptural teaching, and will twist Scripture to support what they “know by experience.” Jesus Himself warned of false teachers who spoke of mighty spiritual experiences in Matthew 7:22-23: “Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’” Peter affirmed the value of Scripture over experience when he said, “We also have a more sure Word of prophecy, to which you do well to take heed, as to a light that shines in a dark place…” (2 Peter 1:19).
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    “Spiritual gifts survey – what are the different spiritual gifts the Bible mentions?”

    Answer: In God’s great gift of salvation, we have a number of benefits and responsibilities. Most Christians are quick to point out the personal benefits we receive with our salvation, but we are a little slower to focus on the responsibilities that come with it. When people speak of spiritual gifts, the focus is often on questions like, “Do you know what your spiritual gift is?” or “Have you taken this spiritual gifts survey?” While the knowledge of one’s gifting can be beneficial, we often lose sight of God’s design in these matters. Yes, the particular gifts of the Spirit are benefits to each believer, but they come with great responsibilities.

    There are two Greek words that are primarily used to describe the gifts of the Spirit. Pneumatika refers to their source, the Holy Spirit (pneuma) of God, and charismata refers to the fact that they are granted as an act of God’s grace (charis). Since they are given by grace, we are reminded that they are not based on our worthiness or personal abilities, but on God’s sovereign choice. Since they are given by the Spirit of God, they are a part of the new life granted to us in Christ (and may be drastically different from our perceived capabilities or desires prior to salvation). A brief examination of three key texts (Romans 12:6-8; 1 Corinthians 12:4-11; 1 Peter 4:10-11) will show us God’s design regarding His gifts.

    One of the first things that becomes clear in these passages is the diversity of the gifts. When Paul listed the gifts in Romans 12, he identified different gifts than what he wrote in 1 Corinthians 12, and when Peter spoke of them in 1 Peter 4:10-11, he didn’t even bother specifying them. Among the things listed are prophecy, ministry, wisdom, knowledge, faith, healing, teaching, exhorting, giving, ruling, showing mercy, speaking in languages, and interpreting languages. Whatever the specific use of each one was, they each fit together as the parts of the body work together to make a functional whole (Romans 12:5).

    There are varying opinions regarding the number of spiritual gifts, as well as what the gifts are. Romans 12 lists at least seven, and 1 Corinthians 12 lists nine. There is some overlap in these, and there are certainly indications that God has more that He gives His children. What are some of these gifts? First Corinthians says God gives the word of wisdom and knowledge to some. This would seem to identify a particular ability to grasp spiritual truths in the Word of God and apply them to life. Prophecy is the ability to proclaim divine revelation to the church. As it is used in the New Testament, this gift seems more focused on determining God’s will in particular circumstances than on foretelling future events. Discerning of spirits seems to be connected with the gift of prophecy, and refers to checking the authority and validity of the message, in order to prevent false prophecy. Healing and miracles are often referred to as “sign gifts,” since they were part of the validation for the ministry of Jesus and the apostles. God certainly still heals and does miracles, but these gifts to the church have largely ceased with the completion of the Bible and the validation of its message.

    One of the most misunderstood gifts is that of language and interpretation. “Tongues” in the KJV is simply a translation of the Greek glossa, which is the normal word for any language. In Acts 2:6-11, the people who were gathered in Jerusalem marveled that, even though the disciples were all untrained Galileans, they heard the “wonderful works of God” in their own languages. Whatever else people might teach, two things here are clear: 1) The people in the crowd heard and understood what was being said about Jesus Christ, and 2) we are told what languages the message was received in. Other gifts mentioned are faith, serving, encouraging, giving, ruling, and showing mercy. These are fairly self-explanatory. Whatever gift we look at, one common denominator is always in place—gifts were given by God Himself and are to be used for His glory in His church.

    We can certainly learn of the gifts from these lists, but if we limit the gifts of the Spirit to those few that were enumerated, we miss the point. In all three passages, we are given a specific purpose of the gifts, and that is where we should direct our attention. In Romans 12:8, we are told to use the various gifts according to the character of God and His revealed will “…with simplicity…with diligence…with cheerfulness.” In 1 Corinthians 12:25, we are told that these gifts were given “so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other.” In 1 Peter 4:11, the purpose is “that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ.” The best way for us to understand spiritual gifts is to know how we can care for and serve one another to the glory of God. Whether we do that through teaching, feeding, healing, or any other method, we have a responsibility to God and to one another to offer ourselves as servants (2 Corinthians 4:9).
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    “Is there a biblical spiritual gifts list?”

    Answer: There are actually three biblical lists of the “gifts of the Spirit,” also known as spiritual gifts. The three main passages describing the spiritual gifts are Romans 12:6-8; 1 Corinthians 12:4-11; and 1 Corinthians 12:28. The spiritual gifts identified in Romans 12 are prophesying, serving, teaching, encouraging, giving, leadership, and mercy. The list in 1 Corinthians 12:4-11 includes the word of wisdom, the word of knowledge, faith, healing, miraculous powers, prophecy, distinguishing between spirits, speaking in tongues and interpretation of tongues. The list in 1 Corinthians 12:28 includes healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. A brief description of each gift follows:

    Prophecy – The Greek word translated “prophesying” or “prophecy” in both passages properly means to “speak forth” or declare the divine will, to interpret the purposes of God, or to make known in any way the truth of God, which is designed to influence people. The idea of telling the future was added sometime in the Middle Ages and is in direct contradiction to other scriptural passages that condemn such fortune-telling or predicting the future (Acts 16:16-18).

    Serving – Also referred to as “ministering” in the KJV, the Greek word diakonian, from which we get the English “deacon,” means service of any kind, the broad application of practical help to those in need.

    Teaching – This gift involves the analysis and proclamation of the Word of God, explaining the meaning, context and application to the hearer’s life. The gifted teacher is one who has the unique ability to clearly instruct and communicate knowledge, specifically the doctrines of the faith.

    Encouraging – Also called “exhortation,” this gift is evident in those who consistently call upon others to heed and follow God’s truth, which may involve correction or building others up by strengthening weak faith or comforting in trials.

    Giving – Gifted givers are those who joyfully share what they have with others, whether it is financial, material, or the giving of personal time and attention. The giver is concerned for the needs of others and seeks opportunities to share goods, money and time with them as needs arise.

    Leadership – The gifted leader is one who rules, presides over or has the management of other people in the church. The word literally means “guide” and carries with it the idea of one who steers a ship. One with the gift of leadership rules with wisdom and grace and exhibits the fruit of the Spirit in his life as he leads by example.

    Mercy – Closely linked with the gift of encouragement, the gift of mercy is obvious in those who are compassionate toward others who are in distress, showing sympathy and sensitivity coupled with a desire and the resources to lessen their suffering in a kind and cheerful manner.

    Word of wisdom – The fact that this gift is described as the “word” of wisdom indicates that it is one of the speaking gifts. This gift describes someone who can understand and speak forth biblical truth in such a way as to skillfully apply it to life situations with all discernment.

    Word of knowledge – This is another speaking gift that involves understanding truth with an insight that only comes by revelation from God. Those with the gift of knowledge understand the deep things of God and the mysteries of His Word.

    Faith – All believers possess faith in some measure because it is one of the gifts of the Spirit bestowed on all who come to Christ in faith (Galatians 5:22-23). The spiritual gift of faith is exhibited by one with a strong and unshakeable confidence in God, His Word, His promises, and the power of prayer to effect miracles.

    Healing – Although God does still heal today, the ability of men to produce miraculous healings belonged to the apostles of the first century church to affirm that their power was from God. Although God still can and does heal, Christians today do not have the power to heal the sick or resurrect the dead. If they did, the hospitals and morgues would be full of these “gifted” people emptying beds and coffins everywhere.

    Miraculous powers – Also known as the working of miracles, this is another temporary sign gift which involved performing supernatural events that could only be attributed to the power of God (Acts 2:22). This gift was exhibited by Paul (Acts 19:11-12), Peter (Acts 3:6), Stephen (Acts 6:8), and Phillip (Acts 8:6-7), among others.

    Distinguishing (discerning) of spirits – Certain individuals possess the unique ability to determine the true message of God from that of the deceiver, Satan, whose methods include purveying deceptive and erroneous doctrine. Jesus said many would come in His name and would deceive many (Matthew 24:4-5), but the gift of discerning spirits is given to the Church to protect it from such as these.

    Speaking in tongues – The gift of tongues is one of the temporary “sign gifts” given to the early Church to enable the gospel to be preached throughout the world to all nations and in all known languages. It involved the divine ability to speak in languages previously unknown to the speaker. This gift authenticated the message of the gospel and those who preached it as coming from God. The phrase “diversity of tongues” (KJV) or “different kinds of tongues” (NIV) effectively eliminates the idea of a “personal prayer language” as a spiritual gift.

    Interpretation of tongues – A person with the gift of interpreting tongues could understand what a tongues-speaker was saying even though he did not know the language that was being spoken. The tongues interpreter would then communicate the message of the tongues speaker to everyone else, so all could understand.

    Helps – Closely related to the gift of mercy is the gift of helps. Those with the gift of helps are those who can aid or render assistance to others in the church with compassion and grace. This has a broad range of possibilities for application, from helping individuals to assisting in the administration of the daily affairs of the church.
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    APOSTLES AND PROPHETS TODAY

    There are those who claim to be apostles and prophets by their own word. Others claim it by showing their signs, wonders and miracles. This so-called signs and wonders movement is part of an effort to restore what they understood to be the five-fold ministry described in Ephesians 4:11. The proliferators of the movement claim that these dynamics are what is necessary for the church to have power. In actuality, those who lay claim to this ministry today are operating under a misunderstanding of apostles and prophets of the Bible. The Lord confirmed His signs to the apostles’ words to show a transition of authority from Israel and its priesthood to the apostles who were laying down the foundation for the church, a new entity. This unique anointing testified to Israel and to the gentiles a new order of leadership, the demonstration of spiritual authority was transferred to the church Christ body. Becoming aware of what the Bible says about these positions in the early church can help us guard against misleading teachings in the church today.

    Validated by signs and miracles, the apostles deemed the faith for the whole Church and established the written word by inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Once the scriptures were completed, the Church had all that was necessary in the area of revelational truth. The apostles’ instructions were in words, then put to paper for all succeeding generations on how to live in obedience to the faith.

    Once a foundation is laid down and a house is built, we don’t rebuild the foundation.(Eph.2:20) Neither should we rip apart the house that the Lord has built.

    A true apostle would point out the false ones. Yet today, not only do those who claim to be apostles fail to do so, but there are threats and manipulations for those who do not go along with what they are trying to portray. ‘Jezebel,’ ‘Antichrist,’ and ‘Blasphemer of the Holy Spirit’ are common terms used for those who speak against them.

    Alarmingly, these impostor’s claim to be exclusively without error in their interpretations and teachings on these matters. They are to be questioned by no one. In reading the letter of Jude, we find him exhorting the believers to contend for their faith among apostates in the church. More specifically, verse 17 reminds the church of the apostles’ warnings of mockers coming in the last days that are natural men not having the Spirit. Today we find those who claim to have more of it than others. Nowhere do we find the apostles preaching they are anointed and certainly did not imply they were more so than others. The danger of these mislead leaders is that they will cause divisions without realizing the harm they do, nor the judgment that they will eventually incur upon themselves.

    Most scholars agree there are at least 3 and possibly as many as 5 groupings of apostles in the NT. First is Jesus who stands alone as the apostle in Heb.3:1-6 sent by God to be the Savior of the world. All other apostles derive their position under him. We find an apostle is ‘one sent from’. There is a technical use and a general use in this term.

    Scripturally we find that the apostles were all personally chosen by the Lord Jesus. Mt.10:1-4 and in Lk.6:12-16 names the 12 apostles, one of which was chosen for perdition. The 70 as well as the twelve were also trained and sent out. The position of the apostles were not permanently fixed number until after the resurrection (Matt. 19:28-30; Lk. 22:28-34; Jn. 21:15-18). The number 12 then becomes an eternally established number.

    Matthew and Mark use the term “apostle” only once for the Twelve who were sent on a missionary journey (Matt. 10:2; Mk. 6:30). Luke uses the title the most frequently and almost exclusively calls the Twelve “apostles” (Lk. 6:13; 9:10; 17:5; 22:14; 24:10; Acts 1:26; 2:43; 4:35,37; 5:2,12,18; 8:1. )

    One of the Biblical requirements for one to be rightly regarded as an apostle were those following Jesus from the time of John’s baptism. They also were to have seen the risen Lord be witnesses of his resurrection. When the closed group of twelve became eleven, they sought another to take Judas’ office: Acts 1:21-22 “Therefore, of these men who have accompanied us all the time the Lord Jesus went in and among us beginning from the baptism of John to that day he was taken up from us One of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection.’ “

    The men went on to cast lots, and the lot fell on Mattias which closed the group of 12 permanently. We later see God choosing Paul in Acts 9. Also see 1 Corinthians 9: 1.) We find that the apostles were given authority to perform special miracles . In Revelation 12:12 there are 12 gates and the name of the 12 tribes in Rev.21:14, there is reference to twelve foundations with the names of the 12 apostles of the Lamb which are written on them in Heaven. Jesus referred to this in Mt.19:28, that in the millennium those who have followed him (the apostles) will sit on 12 thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel. These twelve seem to relate to Israel specifically, while Paul does not.

    Paul’s own words in defense of his apostleship claim in 1 Cor. 9:1: “Am I not an apostle? … Have I not seen Jesus Christ our lord? Essentially there were two different groups those who were with Jesus when he was alive and then were witnesses of his resurrection and Paul as one who was witness to his resurrection only not having him be of the 12.(I need to mention that there are some who hold the position that apostleship was temporary and as Judas was replaced so could be any of the others. This does not seem to be a tenable position since there is no mention of this occurring in scripture.)

    In 1 Cor. 15 Paul describes the gospel and concentrates on the resurrection and the sequence of his appearing during the 40 day period after the resurrection.Vs.5 “And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: then by over 500.” Vs.7 “Then he was seen by James then by all the apostles.”

    After the resurrection the “twelve”, is a number used to Identify the apostles originally with Jesus. This does not necessarily mean their were 12 only gathered to see him. It certainly cannot mean it was Matthias as one of the 12 since he was picked after Jesus left and ascended. Their is no account of a special appearance to him or anyone else as was with Paul only. The term 12 identified them as the group number that began with John and saw the resurrection. But from the group of 500 he appeared to, there were apostles among them as well as in vs.7 Then the apostles all.

    Other requirements within this first qualification of being from John and a witness to the resurrection. He must have been taught divine truth by Jesus personally (Gal.1:1,12; 1Cor.15:3). The 11 were commissioned together as Jesus breathed on them the Holy Spirit as an indication of their unity and authority to forgive sins ads they proclaimed the Gospel. The exception is Paul who was taught personally by Christ while he was in Arabia for 3 years. When he emerged he had the same teaching as the 12. (Jn.14:26, 16:13; 1 Cor.13:37) So an apostle will agree with the already commissioned apostles in Scripture.

    They were commissioned to communicate the very words of the Lord (1 Thess.2:13;1 Jn.4:6) They could speak words of judgment and the miraculous and have it immediately executed (Jn.20:23; Acts 5:3-11; 13:10, 1 Cor.5:3-5; 1 Tim.1:20). The Apostles exercised a position of authority as a community of elders over the church which was to be obeyed as if it was the Lord himself. (1 Cor.5:3-5; 2 Cor.10:6,8,11; 2 Thess.3:7-12,14). All these were in the nature of the office of an apostle.

    Paul sometimes uses the term “apostle” in a broader sense for a messenger like a legate (2 Cor. 8:23; they are called apostles of the church),” a non technical term with a general meaning. There is a difference supported in scripture to be an apostle of the Lord, personally chosen and sent by him; and an apostle of the church, sent out by the body of believers. This broader usage made it possible to include others who would be considered false apostles, messengers (2 Cor.11:14; Rev 2:2). Paul also uses the word for a group of witnesses who had seen the risen Lord before him and had received a specific call to an apostleship. This group was larger than the Twelve.

    The book of Acts is recording a transitional period from when Christ left physically and sent the Holy Spirit to continue his ministry. The book of Acts traces the missions of two of the apostles specifically and others when they relate to their ministry. Peter to the Jews and Paul to the Gentiles.

    When the apostles came and laid hands on people they received the Spirit in the dramatic way like Pentecost. The Bible never shows any regular Christian laying hands and their receiving the gift of the Spirit in this way.

    A question often posed is, ‘Can others do miracles like the apostles, since Mark 16:17-18 describes “and these signs will follow those who believe in my name they will cast out demons they will speak in other tongues and… will heal the sick.” (‘ Note: these particular verses are not found in the majority of the manuscripts, granted that they are…) The answer is found in a careful examination of the text. Where we find in the Mark 16:14 narrative that Jesus is speaking to the 11 and commissions them to preach the Gospel first then baptizing the believers. So we find that the Lord is in fact speaking directly to the apostles just before he is taken up into Heaven (verse 19). Afterward, the apostles went out and preached, and the Lord was working with them confirming His Word through accompanying signs. Therefore, there is no evidence that all believers can do what the apostles did. What did occur is the word was first preached and the signs and wonders followed to validate the new leadership for the church. In much the same way Jesus’ miracles were to validate his person and message. If these signs and wonders were to follow all who believe how could one tell who the apostles were? There would be no distinction in leadership. The very reason for the signs and miracles were to appoint the apostles as a governing leadership over Gods new entity the Church. If we look at the book of Acts who was it that took up a serpent? Paul an apostle. Who laid hands on the sick and they recovered? The apostles. This was never a normal occurrence for everyone who was a Christian. When Dorcas died the believers did not raise her but sent for Peter to raise her from the dead (9:36-42). This also shows that Mk.16:17 is not a promise that was being exercised to all believers.

    “ Truly the signs of an apostle were accomplished among you with all perseverance, in signs and wonders and mighty deeds.”(2 Cor. 12:12) The sign of an apostle was the miracles done, this distinguished them from the other believers.

    Unlike those who claim miraculous healings today the apostles healed totally and instantaneously. It was permanent not as some claim today that one must continue in faith or the devil will steal it away. They were able to heal all such as Paul on the Island of Malta in Acts 28 healed Publius and the rest of the people who had diseases came to him. He was also able to be unaffected by a poisenous snake. They healed organic disease on those from birth. They raised the dead . Peter raised Dorcas Acts 9:36-42, Paul raised Eutyches back to life after he fell 3 stories Acts 20:6-12. Like Jesus it was by a word or a touch, as God approved their office it was immediate and permanent .

    Acts 2:43: “Then fear came upon every soul and many signs and wonders are done through the apostles. Acts 5:12 “And through he hands of the apostles many signs and wonders were done among the people. Acts 14:3” Paul and Barnabas speak boldly in the Lord, who bears witness to His word of grace, granting signs sign and wonders to be done through their hands.”

    All these and many more scriptures show that the apostles were special men commissioned for a unique role in a particular time period for the Church. (Ephesians 2:20) “Having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets…Notice past tense, been built. Once a foundation is laid it does not need to be laid down again, it is built upon “ It was upon these men the apostles and prophets that the foundation the church was built on, Jesus Christ himself being the chief cornerstone. Those who claim apostolic authority today are attempting to rebuild the church whose foundation was already laid and built . Later on in Eph.4:11 Paul writes, “and he himself gave some to be apostles and prophets, some evangelists and some pastors and teachers…” he does not say he keeps on giving apostles and prophets for the simple reason formerly stated they were the foundation of the church. Paul makes no distinction of what is continued or what is not in this passage. Anything mentioned in Eph.4:11 must be in light of the former statement in 2:20 of the apostles and prophets laying down the foundation in the past tense (foundation in the scriptures for us to come to the unity of the faith.) We do see Pastors and teachers continue as they are not supernatural offices or sign gifts but leaders and rulers over the congregations after the apostles were gone. The Apostles wrote down the teachings for the Church to follow. If their are apostles today in the sense of the Church’s beginnings there would have to be new revelation. This would have to be included as Scripture because apostolic revelation is authoritative and infallible. It would then be on the same level as our Bible. This is what the Mormon church claims and many other cult groups. To say we have modern day apostles like Matthew and Paul is to say Scripture is continually being written which means rejecting the former revelation of the apostles given by Jesus. As John writes in his 1st epistle 1:1-4 “That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life– the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us– that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ. And these things we write to you that your joy may be full.”

    The greatest men who influenced the church throughout history never claimed they were apostles or prophets. They never taught that these 2 offices continued. Athanasius, Irenaeus, Hippolytus, Augustine, Luther, Calvin, Edwards, Finney, Great theologians like Charles Hodge , A.H Strong or Gill and all others were satisfied to build upon the foundation already laid by the original apostles.We find the only apostles mentioned in Church history after the bible was completed were false ones.

    The gift and office of apostleship was the first and most important gift given after Christ ascended, but it was a temporary gift and office that does not continue to our present time. For the simple reason people do not see Jesus Christ in His bodily resurrection. For this to be so he would have to leave the right hand of God and make a special appearance. We know from scripture the next time he comes is for everyone at the rapture, there are no secret comings. The apostles had completed their mission of laying the foundation of the Church and the doctrine was inscripturated. God’s Word is complete no new revelation is needed. While the Lord does speak to us today he does not give any new revelation or doctrine since it has been delivered and completed.

    There were also apostolic legates those directly commissioned by an apostle, their were no apostolic miracles done except in the presence of one or being commissioned by one. Two examples are Stephen and Philip. Acts 6:5-8: “And they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and the Holy Spirit, and Philip, Prochorus, Nicanor, Timon, Parmenas, and Nicolas, a proselyte from Antioch, whom they set before the apostles; and when they had prayed, they laid hands on them. Then the word of God spread, and the number of the disciples multiplied greatly in Jerusalem, and a great many of the priests were obedient to the faith. And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and signs among the people.”

    Stephen was directly appointed by an apostle approved into ministry. He was what is called an apostolic legate, one that is commissioned by an apostle. It is these legates like Philip who went to Samaria (Acts 8) ahead of the apostles to bring the gospel to new areas until Paul and Barnabas were sent. Even in Acts 8 when Philip preached Christ and did miracles they believed and were baptized. They sent for the apostles vs.14-15 and when they came and prayed it was then as they laid hands on them they received the Holy Spirit from on high. also in Acts 10, and 19. So all the miracles were in the presence of one of the apostles or one commissioned by one. (James the Lords brother was called an apostle Gal.1:19, James is included in Gal. 2:9 also Barnabas 1 Cor. 9:5-6)

    Paul became an apostle by seeing the resurrected Christ Acts 9 and 1 Cor.15:8. Paul was picked by Jesus. There are those today who claim that someone can see Jesus and be an apostle just like Paul. We have to look at this event carefully. Jesus appeared to choose him, he was an unbeliever at the time. It became his conversion. Jesus appeared to him in glory more in the manner of what John saw on the Isle of Patmos when he wrote the Revelation, not like the disciples saw him after his resurrection.

    Acts 9:5 It is clear, from this event that there was a personal appearance as he states [I am Jesus of Nazareth] who was the object of his contempt. Jesus appeared in a manifestation “crowned with glory and honor.” As Paul states in Gal 1:16 I did not immediately confer with flesh and blood. Paul certainly understood what this shekinah glory was knowing the OT. as he did. Paul actually became blind from seeing the glory Acts 22:11.

    In Acts 9:17, after the Lord speaks to Annanias in a vision he States to Paul “Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you came.”

    And Barnabas states when he brought him before the apostles at Jerusalem, he declared to them how he had SEEN the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken unto him; and in Acts 22:14, “The God of our fathers has chosen you that you should know His will, and see the Just One, and hear the voice of His mouth.”

    Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle (not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised Him from the dead). He then became an apostle to the gentiles (as well as Barnabas Gal.2:9; Acts:13:2,7, 15:12) as Peter and the others was to the Jews. In 1 Cor. 9:1 Paul in defense of his position states “Am I not an apostle? Am I not free. Have I not seen Jesus Christ our lord? He then validates his position by their salvation. So he met the 2nd requirement, to be a witness of the resurrection Acts 1:22.

    Paul defended his apostleship in 2 Corinthians 12:11-12, using examples of signs and wonders. If these miracles and signs were common for everyone, how then could Paul use these as proof of his authority? Even when the apostles were alive, all Christians could not do signs and wonders so they certainly cannot do them today. Some of these were unusual miracle uncommon occurrences such as healing from his handkerchiefs Acts 19:12. Again, God used these miracles as witnesses to confirm His gospel as truth, and to identify His new leadership it was these men who penned down the words of the Holy Spirit that has become our New Testament. Once the scripture was completed we find no more apostles

    How can we know this for sure? Because Paul states unequivocally in 1 Cor.15: after going through the witnesses of the resurrection. Vs. 8 “Then LAST OF ALL seen by me also, as one born out of due time.” Paul is appealing to his unusual appointment. He was the last on earth (Gr. last in time) to see the risen Christ (Thayers Gr. optanomai or optomai- to look at, to behold , to allow oneself to be seen, to appear ) and that his encounter was an abortion. “Paul resembled such a birth, in the suddenness of his new birth, in that he was not matured for the apostolic function, as the others were, who had personal converse with our Lord. He was called to the office when such conversation was not to be had, he was out of time for it. He had not known nor followed the Lord, nor been formed in his family, as the others were,” (from Matthew Henry’s Commentary)

    In the same sense neither are there any more apostles by abortion today. Since Paul was the LAST OF ALL. “Paul’s adverbs of time here is chronological: then (eita), then (epeita), then (epeita), then (eita), last of all (eschaton pantoôn)”. (A.T. Robertsons word Pictures)

    This should settle the issue that just as the 12 became a closed group, so likewise Paul ended the Lord choosing others. The fact is there is no more apostles chosen after Paul.

    The pastoral epistles give the principles and positions for church leadership throughout history, they mention elders, teachers and deacons. They never mention apostles. The only apostolic category that consists today is the one of being sent out as a missionary planting Churches. There are pastors, teachers and elders for Church government today also evangelists, as well as spiritual gifts being operational for the local body.

    Jude said, “But you, beloved, ought to remember the words that were spoken beforehand by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ” (Jude 17). Jude does not mention any continuance of apostles in the Church, he points back to them. When the apostles spoke, there was no debating. They were already recognized as the leaders revealing Gods will for the Church . Whereas the prophets, whose words had to be judged as to their accuracy.

    While there is no contest that at least some of the gifts of the Spirit are operating today (God still heals supernaturally and does miracles), but we must keep our views in healthy balance with the scriptures. The Biblical portrayal or definition of the position of apostle is as an appointed office by Christ, not merely a spiritual gift. The word apostle can be used in a general sense in reference to someone commissioned to go out and start churches (2 Cor. 8:23). In this sense, a believer can exercise the gift of apostle today, as a ‘sent out one.’ However, one cannot claim to hold the office of an apostle as in the 12 as we see many doing today.

    The Apostles set position were authenticated by the miraculous. Acts 3:3-11Peter healed the crippled man at the gate of the Temple as well as others. (Acts 5:15-16) Paul had also brought Eutychus back to life after he had fallen to his death (Acts 20:6-12). No apostolic miracles were ever performed in the apostolic era by anyone other than the apostles and those who were commissioned by them, showing this office was unique to its time.

    It is also worth pointing out that the apostles were limited on the miracles they performed; none of them ever fed five thousand as Jesus did, nor did they ever walk on water or translocate into a room on their own. Yet they did do unusual healings and miracles and resurrect people, which was also the last sign Jesus said would be given to the unbelieving generation at that time. Today it seems we are again surrounded by unbelief, even in the church, because so many are following those who do signs and wonders. Jesus said it was an evil and adulterous generation that seeks after a sign and a wonder. Today our generation is repeating the same error as the unbelieving Jews except it supposedly from believers.

    The apostles never preached signs and wonders to attract the multitudes much less those who already believe. Seeing a sign was never a assurance of belief.

    We are warned of false apostles those who claim authority that is not from God and can do miracles. In much the same way as the false prophets God told Jeremiah,” I have not sent them or spoken to them.”

    With all this in mind Paul did not use the signs and miracles as the absolute proof of his apostolic position.

    1 Cor. 4:9-13: “For I think that God has displayed us, the apostles, last, as men condemned to death; for we have been made a spectacle to the world, both to angels and to men. We are fools for Christ’s sake, but you are wise in Christ! We are weak, but you are strong! You are distinguished, but we are dishonored To the present hour we both hunger and thirst, and we are poorly clothed, and beaten, and homeless. And we labor, working with our own hands. Being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we endure being defamed, we entreat. We have been made as the filth of the world, the offscouring of all things until now.” Notice he says they were last examples condemned to death, weak, poor, hungry, beaten and homeless. Its obvious we don’t see those who claim these positions today living in such a manner. They for the most part became martyrs. Today those who claim apostolic positions live in luxury and opulence.

    Col. 1:24 “I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church.” Paul’s life of weakness and suffering showed his gifting and position. Paul’s life of denial showed his anointing.

    2 Cor.1:6: “Now if we are afflicted, it is for your consolation and salvation, which is effective for enduring the same sufferings which we also suffer. Or if we are comforted, it is for your consolation and salvation.”

    History tells us that all of the apostles (minus one Judas) were killed for their service to the Lord. This is hardly the case for those claiming this position today.

    There are numerous warnings in scripture, in Mt.7 there is number of people who claim before the Lord have we not prophesied in your name, cast out demons in your name and done many wonders. Clearly they are laying claim to some type of apostolic position. Then I will declare to them I never knew you, depart from me you who practice lawlessness.” They tried to be accepted by what they did , by the power they supposedly had but they did not do the will of the Lord which is to preach the Gospel in truthfulness. Yet the lord said he never had a relationship with them. So his name is not a stamp of authenticity for anyone (obviously it was a different Jesus who was their source of power.) They were lawless they were not under his leadership, or guidance they did not practice the law of Christ. They tried to approach God on their own merit by their good deeds saying look at what we did, we had power. It wasn’t about power but about knowing him in a relationship. “I never knew you “he gave them what they already possessed, since they were departed from him to begin with.

    In Rev. 2:2: “unto the church in Ephesus write… Thou hast tried them that say They are apostles and are not, and has found them to be liars.”

    They were false apostles because they did not see the risen Lord nor were they commissioned by him. They did not live or teach to the standard of scripture.

    2 Cor.11:12-14: “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light, Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.” They can look right but if they do not speak according to the word already delivered then whatever follows in miracles is not from God but from another source.

    The true apostles are unique in their ministry , office, and power never to be duplicated. They were for a specific period in Church history. It is impossible for their to be modern day apostles as in the beginning since none of those today possess the necessary credentials to be an apostle. In 1 Cor.4:9 Paul explains what it was to be an apostle. “For I think God has displayed us, the apostles, last, as men condemned to death; “ (this is in the aorist tense meaning that they do not continue.) The apostles example were that they gave their lives for Christ and the Church. It was their teaching and it being written including miracles that made them apostles.

    In warning, Jesus said to those who were following Him for the blessings, ‘Unless you people see signs and wonders you will by no means believe.’ Our choice today is to believe His Word that he spoke, not self-appointed men in spiritual offices in which they clearly do not belong.

    Jude said, “But you, beloved, ought to remember the words that were spoken beforehand by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ” (Jude 17).This is Gods word to those who think they are in the category of the ancient apostles.

    The apostolic age was unique in histories timeline and it ended. Jesus says it, Paul does, history teaches this, theology teaches it, and the New Testament itself continually affirms it.

    What makes a prophet

    What makes a prophet a true spokesman for God?

    The Old Testament prophets taught the basic truths and principles of God, and the facts and nuances of man’s relationship with Him. They condemned sin, they brought comfort to the remnant, and conviction to those who sinned. They were invariably persecuted by the target portion of Israel, and most importantly, they spoke of things to come both near and far into the future Deuteronomy 18:15 -19 tells us of the nature of a true prophet. Verses 20 through 22 state that if one claiming to be a prophet speaks in the Lord’s name, something God has not given him to say, or speaks in the name of other gods, then he is to die. Thankfully, the Lord provides a method for identifying fallacies spread by would-be divine spokesmen. If what is said in His name does not come to pass, then God has not spoken it.

    In Ezekiel there is an interesting scripture Ezek. 13:2-3 “Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who prophesy, and say to those who prophesy out of their own heart, ‘Hear the word of the LORD!’“ Thus says the Lord GOD: “Woe to the foolish prophets, who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing! God says one can actually say they are hearing from the Lord but it really is their own spirit.

    In the OT prophets prophesied within three time frames . Their own time, for the 1st coming and the 2nd coming. The test of a prophet was his near prophecies which would be fulfilled in his own lifetime. Obviously, if it was beyond his lifetime, he wouldn’t be around to have to answer for it. Prophecy was very specific in the Old and the New Testament. They would foretell God’s revelation to the people and if one looks back at Biblical record to study a prophet’s calling, it was God who picked them and they are often found arguing not to have the office. In contrast, there are now schools to train new prophets because the people desire this office.

    Another test used on would be prophets, found in Deuteronomy 13:1. In addition to whether or not their predictions came true is whether they used signs and wonders as tools to draw people to other gods or a different representation of God. (Such as Jannes and Jambres in 2 Timothy 3:8). Here, God is testing the people to see if they love only Him. This is probably the most overlooked scripture pertaining to examining the claims of those who profess supernatural powers that come from God. If they were to contradict the teaching that had already been revealed – which had provided knowledge of the one true God then they were seen as false prophets. God did not, and still does not tolerate false prophesying. If they wrong once, they are false, they were to be stoned. If this occurred today many if not all who lay claim to this position would have a quick end to their so called anointing!

    Remember: just because one performs miracles, even inside a church, does not mean God is working. We should be more on guard inside the church than we would like to think. In 1 Corinthians 4:6, we are told no to go beyond what in written. If one contradicts the apostolic writings and teachings, then they are false (2 Cor.11:14). Those who go beyond the word having God speak to them directly with new revelation, become puffed up with self deception. There is something called humility that is practiced when one adheres to the same standard that everyone else does. Isa.8:16” bind up the testimony (of the Prophets) seal the law among my disciples”. (Moses) vs. 20 “To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because their is no light in them.” This standard distinguishes a believer from an unbeliever. The test of the prophet was his conformity to the word of God, he condemns sin, he comforts the brethren, and he speaks of things in the near future and later than his life. A prophet, like an apostle, not only functioned as a gift, but as an office. A prophet would declare God’s will for his generation, addressing idolatry or lukewarmness. We see this personified in John the Baptist who warned and rebuked the people preparing the for the Messiah.

    Jesus said there was no greater prophet than John the baptizer (of the old Testament dispensation) because he had the privilege to introduce the messiah.

    In the Old Testament there were prophets who did not speak for God yet the people loved to hear what they had to say more than the true prophets words. Jer.23:16 “They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD”. A few verses later God calls them lying prophets, v. 30 “who steal from one another words supposedly from me.”

    Isa. 29:10-13: “For the LORD has poured out on you the spirit of deep sleep, and has closed your eyes, namely, the prophets; and He has covered your heads, namely, the seers. The whole vision has become to you like the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one who is literate, saying, “Read this, please.” And he says, “I cannot, for it is sealed.” Then the book is delivered to one who is illiterate, saying, “Read this, please.” And he says, “I am not literate Therefore the LORD said: “Inasmuch as these people draw near with their mouths and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me, and their fear toward Me is taught by the commandment of men.” When we see new prophets operate outside the written word or give new unknown meanings to the word they have become illiterate to expounding truth. When this happens many turn to signs and wonders to validate their ministry. Its not truth that they have to give, but the power to display. 2 Tim.4:3 The time will come when they will not adhere to sound doctrine but according to their desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers, and they will turn away from the truth and be turned aside to fables.” Fables are all things beyond what is written in the word.

    Time is the enemy of a false prophet, so if one cannot discern from their conforming to scriptures, then they will certainly be able to tell by waiting to see if what was said will come to pass. In the New Testament, when the foundation of the faith was being laid down, a prophet saying “thus saith the Lord” would bring forth new revelations which in turn became our scripture. This is a strong reason why there are no more prophets today.

    Acts 13:1: “Now in the church that was at Antioch there were certain prophets and teachers: Barnabas, Simeon who was called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul. As they ministered to the Lord and fasted, the holy spirit said “now separate unto me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” Remember the NT. was still being written down and there was revelation given. The prophets here were Saul and Barnabas and more likely the others were the teachers mentioned.

    God is able and still does speak in various ways, yet he has chosen a more explicit but simple way to convey his message. It is by his son. Not just any Son but one who is God himself who delivered it in person. his words are written down so it can be understood equally to all. To change this or reject this method is to reject God.

    Not everyone mentioned in the Bible who received direct revelation from God was a prophet or even a believer. God spoke to Pharaoh in a dream also Nebuchadnezzar. In Gen.20 Abimelech is warned by God not to take Sarah into his harem. So just because one receives a dream or vision does not mean they are of God. Also we need to know the enemy can give prophecies that will come to pass but will oppose Gods word. So all needs to be tested by the words of the true prophets and apostles.

    In Jeremiah’s day he was commissioned to be the prophet to the people as they were in Babylonian captivity. Jeremiah was made an illustration to the Hebrew people as the time was ordained to be 70 years of captivity. The children of Israel wer

  • Elmarie A

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    Here are some Prophetic word from the LW website. Would you say it is Biblical??

    9.12.2008, Nevil Norden
    ‘n Tyd van Volheid en Vrugbaarheid

    2008 moes ‘n jaar gewees het van “nuwe beginne” en ook ‘n jaar van
    “besnydenis” (die Joodse seuntjies is op die agtste dag besny). Ek het geworstel
    oor die “nuwe beginne” (die betekenis van die getal agt), want daar was weinig
    “nuwe beginne”, eerder baie “besnydenisse”; maar besnydenis (of ‘n snoeiproses)
    is soms nodig voordat ons ‘n “nuwe begin” kan ervaar.
    ‘n Stewige snoeiproses is baie nodig vir vrugbaarheid. Volgens die Bybelse
    kalender begin ‘n “nuwe dag” om 18:00 uur – ‘n “nuwe dag” begin dus in die
    “nag”. Ons staan aan die vooraand van die jaar 2009 wat spreek van “volheid” of
    “finaliteit”. Nege spreek ook van die volheid van “vrugbaarheid” – ‘n baba is vir
    nege maande in die moeder se baarmoeder, dan vind ‘n nuwe geboorte plaas.
    Ons lees in Matt. 27:45: En van die sesde uur af het daar duisternis gekom oor
    die hele aarde tot die negende uur toe. Dink net, totale duisternis oor die hele
    aarde van 12:00 tot 15:00… Maar klokslag om 15:00 – toe breek die daglig soos
    ‘n weerligstraal deur die duisternis! Wow! Wat ‘n belewenis! Saam met die
    deurbraak van die daglig het die aarde geskud, die rotse geskeur en die grafte
    oopgebreek. Kan jy jouself voorstel wat regtig gebeur as al die grafte
    oopbreek? “Konsternasie op die stasie!”
    Ek glo met my hele wese dat die kerk as ‘n geheel voor ‘n nuwe tydperk van
    vrugbaarheid staan, en as ek van die kerk praat, praat ek van jou en my, want
    ons is die kerk. Glo dit! Bely dit!
    Sê vir die Here: “Here die tyd van my volheid lê voor die deur, die tyd van my
    vrugbaarheid is hier! En Here, U het gesê dat as ek u koninkryk eerste stel, sal U
    vir my sorg (Matt. 6:33). Dankie Here! Ek wil vir U en u koninkryk leef en U sal
    vir al die ander dinge sorg. Amen en Amen!”

    11.11.2008, Emma van der Walt
    2009 Year of Fulfilment, Time of Testing, the Supernatural
    2009 will be a year of fulfilment. Where people wrestled in prayer for long times,
    the promises of God will come into fulfilment.
    There will be a period of testing where the fire of God will test our faith. God
    says: “Lay off the works of the flesh.” As the hardship comes, the Lord wants our
    faith to endure.
    2 Cor. 13:5: Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test
    yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in
    you? – unless indeed you fail to meet the test!
    Ex. 23:26: None shall miscarry or be barren in your land; I will fulfil the number
    of your days.
    Where people have been spiritually barren, God will bring the fulfilment of His
    word. Out of the mouths of His servants the word of God will come and bring to
    fulfilment to promises of God. In the hearts of the unbelievers, the word of Christ
    that is already fulfilled, will come into being through the truth and power of it.
    The plans and purposes of man that are born out of the Spirit of God will come to
    fulfilment, but that which is born out of the flesh will perish.
    2 Pet. 3:9: The Lord is not slow to fulfil his promise as some count slowness, but
    is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should
    reach repentance.
    God says “I will fulfil the purposes and plans that I have for you.” God says “I
    will bring to fulfilment the vision that I have given the church. I will bring to
    completion what I have purposed you to walk in.”
    Jer. 33:14: Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will fulfil the
    promise I made to the house of Israel and the house of Judah.
    2009 will be a year in which God wants his children to stand up in the calling that
    they have been called to.
    Col. 4:17: And say to Archippus, “See that you fulfil the ministry that you have
    received in the Lord.”
    I sense the Lord saying 2009 will be year of the supernatural, where the Spirit of
    God will move us into new depths in the spirit. The law of the supernatural will
    be manifested above the natural law. God says; “I am a God of the supernatural
    and I will reveal My power as I sweep my hand over the nations.”

    12.10.2008, Nicolette Geldenhuys
    Bemoediging, Toerusting, Vrystelling en die Bonatuurlike

    In 2008 (nuwe dinge) was almal aan die brand, maar dit is asof die vyand
    doelbewus die vure kom blus het. Ek ervaar hoe die Here sê dit is nodig om deur
    intimiteit en aanbidding by Hom te ‘refuel’. Dit is nodig om só die vure weer aan
    te blaas. Die kerk is in ‘n tyd waar bemoediging nodig is. Die liggaam van
    Christus moet vir mekaar intree in gebed. Die eerste 3 maande van 2009 kan rof
    wees met skommelinge wêreldwyd, maar die kerk gaan baie sterker en meer
    toegerus anderkant uitkom. Bemoediging, toerustig en vrystelling vir 2009. Dit
    is ‘n tyd vir die kerk “to be strengthened in the Lord”, soos Dawid. Die werk sal
    vinnig wees. Daar is ‘n dringendheid in die gees vir die oprigting van Christene.
    Dinge sal vinnig verander na die skommeling. Daar sal ‘n hele nuwe vlak wees,
    wat betref nie bonatuurlike (wonderwerke, profetiese evangelisasie, genesing).
    Groot verandering vir 2009. Stilte voor die storm.

    13.11.2008 Dr Chuck Day
    Unity between Religious and Secular

    Nations in 2009 will be governed increasingly by coalitions. God is promoting a
    spirit of pragmatic unity – a unity, not of spirit, ideology or world view, but of a
    common understanding of the problems that must be faced. A unified
    determination that these problems must be solved, will galvanize those (who
    would have otherwise been fighting each other) to put aside differences for the
    moment to address common concerns.
    God is going to bring people together as never before and this is a positive thing.
    The Church will also need to flow in this move of God and work together with
    others within the Body of Christ towards common goals. Traditional differences
    and barriers of suspicion will begin to crumble as mutual appreciation and honour
    are demonstrated across the Christian world.
    As never before, the secular world will be open to help from churches and
    Christian-based organizations. It will be God’s will that we take hands with them
    and help any way we can to address the evils of this world. God will use this to
    create inroads into the lives of all sorts of secular leaders: political, business,
    entertainers, etc.
    There will, however, be pressure on the Church to work together with other
    religions. The positive aspect is that it will open up channels of dialogue and
    friendship that have long been needed. The negative aspect is that there will be
    an increase in the blurring of Christian distinctives and tenets of faith in order not
    to offend. This calls for Christian leaders to be led by the Holy Spirit in order to
    flow with the move of God and, at the same time, not be led into compromise.

    11.2008 Belinda Noades
    God’s Prophetic Army

    I asked the Lord to show me a vision specifically for our country for 2009. I was
    standing looking at this huge mountain of dry bones. While looking at these
    bones I started feeling hopeless and discouraged, it was a depressing sight. I
    heard the Lord saying this is how the people of our country are going to feel
    going into the year 2009.
    As I turned around I saw these masses of people standing behind me. By looking
    at them I had a sense of excitement and immediately felt the feeling of
    depression lifting. I asked the Lord who these people were; I heard: “This is my
    prophetic army that I have raised in this country to start speaking life into
    hopeless situations and into people’s lives that are in total despair and
    depression.”
    Behind them I saw another large group of people, waiting to join this army, but
    they were not geared or trained for the battlefield. Again I heard the Lord
    saying: “It’s time to train all my people in the prophetic because it’s only by
    speaking life and words of encouragement into people’s lives that this country will
    change.”
    I sensed that this army that the Lord has raised up, are very sensitive to the Holy
    Spirit and will know exactly when and what to speak into a situation; their words
    will be very accurate and precise. Like the prophet Ezekiel spoke life into the dead
    bones and it came to life, this is what’s going to happen when this army
    starts proclaiming words of victory in the name of Jesus over every hopeless and
    dead situation!

    20.11.2008 Emma van der Walt
    Movement of Men, Healing for Orphans

    I hear the Lord saying, “Next year will be a year when I will send people from the
    different corners, I will send them from the north and the south and everywhere,
    I will send them here to South Africa. This will be a place where people will be
    broken, a place where people will be on their knees.” The Lord is saying: “There
    will be a season and a time when I will send the men, for the men will stand up;
    but I will not allow them to stand up in the ways of the world, for they will come
    to a place of brokenness; they will come to a place where they will bow their
    knees and say, ‘Lord how can I serve?’” The Lord says: “There will come a
    movement among the men of South Africa, I will pull them together and they will
    speak with one voice; there will be one voice that will ring out, they will speak in
    one voice against the principalities that are destroying the nations, for one voice
    will break the power of darkness.”
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    God is saying: “The little children, the babies, the orphans will be cared for, the
    little ones that are thrown away; I care about the little ones. I will raise up
    mothers to heal them, I will raise up mothers to nurture them, there will come a
    new stream of orphanages that will rise up to take care of these little ones. I
    want my Spirit to flow into orphanages; I want My Spirit to start healing the
    orphans. There are many children that are falling away because of the
    circumstances.” God is saying: “I will anoint the social workers, I will place an
    anointing on the social workers to care, to bring justice.”

    20.11.2008 Nicolette Geldenhuys
    God’s fire, Empowerment of the Gifts

    I see the Lord is raising up a spiritual army in South Africa and this army will
    move through the whole of Africa. I see the enemy has come and tried, in all
    areas of our lives, to kill the fires that the Lord has started at the beginning of
    2008. 2008 was the year of new beginnings and we were all excited at the
    beginning of the year, but I see the enemy had a specific plan to kill those fires,
    to make them die. But the fires will be even bigger than what they were. It will
    be a fire that will spread from the southern part of Africa right through the rest of
    Africa and to the rest of the world. I see the first part of 2009 will be a tough
    time; it will be a time of shifting and a time of sifting. I hear the Lord saying that
    we will get through this time a lot stronger; we will be empowered, because the
    gifts of the Spirit will start operating in us as His children like never before. I feel
    the Lord is saying that His children will be empowered to do the things that He
    has given us to do, to do the things He has commanded us to do.

    AND LOOKIE HERE TOO PLEASE:

    http://www.lewendewoord.co.za/newsite/e107_files/downloads/pdfs/topical/Prophetic%20Word%20-%20Jacob%20Zuma.pdf

    Prophecy – Jacob Zuma
    André Louw – Saturday 8 June 2002

    So it will be in the last hour, for I am raising up the Africa’s to carry
    the cross for the last mile. Yes Lord…yes Lord! I’m going to change
    your rand, I’m going to change your economy, for the devil has tried
    to suppress your economy, oh southern one from Africa. But before I
    change your rand, I’m going to take Botswana and raise up Botswana
    into an economic explosion, that’s going to cause a ripple effect into
    Namibia and even Zimbabwe will soon see a release, says the Spirit
    of God. The oppressor will be removed and I will bring forth a new
    one. He shall have my light in him and he shall have my utterance in
    him and will cause that economy to be turned around by My Power
    and I will heal the rand to heal the land. The southern part of Africa
    will have one economic system; there will be a new type of economy
    that will come forth in the southern hemisphere.
    I will drive out the HIV virus, says the Spirit of God. I will drive out
    famine from you…and will remove swiftly those that stood as God
    and have stood in position to say that we are god. We will build our
    temple and we shall our high ways and we shall our things and God
    says I will bring them down, and I will raise up a new generation.
    South Africa is about to receive a godly government.
    God says that within two election processes a new light will come into
    this country. But once again God says there needs to be a godly
    intercession to call this country into repentance…arise church from
    every part, and stand upon My Word and drive out these forces…
    …There are things that have been hidden in the soil of this nation that
    are about to come out, diamonds and gold and even peto – petroleum
    oil. Some of the greatest wells of oils are going to come out of Africa,
    says the Lord. God says, the devil took wars to destroy, but I used
    the wars to keep the reserves hidden so that the nations would not
    suppress this continent, because I’m raising this continent up, says
    the Lord, to be a light.
    I see that the Lord is saying that the economy will only change when
    a Godly government is in place, and it will start off with groups of
    men…the vice president of this nation…what is his name? Quickly,
    give it to me…what’s his name? Jacob? I send the Spirit of God to
    Jacob Zuma right now…right now…right now.
    I hear God saying that I’m going to raise him up, sovereignly, oh God,
    I might get into trouble for this…but I see upon the woman, this
    woman being used by God to speak into his life the things and the
    oracle of God. And God is going to visit him in a sovereign way. The
    ANC are going to rise up and try and suppress him. They are going to
    try and stop him from coming forth, but he’s going to be hidden in
    camouflage, says the Lord. Yes! Yes! … He’s going to be hidden in
    camouflage…because they will not know that he’s actually a sheep in
    wolves clothing. And when he comes he will bring reformation into
    this nation. When he rises up and we must pray that he will rise up.
    But I see him coming and changing things.
    And even now Father I pray for favour for him and I ask that you will
    do this for him in Jesus name. Now lets give the Lord praise offering
    right now…thank you Father, we release that right now. Let’s pray for
    that a little bit, let’s trust God for that right now…
    He (God) will heal our land by healing the rand. He will heal our land
    by healing the rand…For it’s in God’s plan that we will travel to the
    nations. That it will not become difficult to buy air tickets… Thank You
    Holy Ghost…I’m just going to listen to God and speak what He’s
    saying…
    You need to pray for this man (Zuma), because they are going to try
    and kill him soon, but you just keep praying for him, alright. When I
    say kill, I mean that any person that rises up and doesn’t do the thing
    that they want to be done, they remove; are you with me? They
    remove you through political inspirations and all that stuff, but we are
    going to trust God for something to happen for this man…
    …Gold is going to go so high it’s going to be amazing…350…it’s
    going to shoot…whew…in Jesus name…I’m going to tell you what is
    going to happen…as soon as a godly government comes into this
    region, we are going to hear reports of new minerals coming out of
    this land, for the things have been hidden under the soil for one
    reason; for us, the saints of God.

  • Elmarie A

    Ruoall

    ooooh and another thing Neville Norden of Lewende Woord has close ties with Fred Roberts of Durban Christian Centre where Benny Hinn does his evil things . Yikes

    See here on on page 6

    Neville even says he is subject to Fred Roberts as a spiritual father.

    Soooo run for your life from Lewende Woord Brumeria please!!!

  • Elmarie A

    Ruoall

    I need your feedback please, I hope you come back and read all that is said.

  • Dear Elmarie,

    U need some serious professional help, and in desperate need of discernment. The very thing you claim to have, you lack! All these men whom you are accusing, have you ever been in their houses and spent some days with them and their families???

    Blessings,
    Leon du Preez
    http://www.leondupreez.com

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Leon

    U need some serious professional help, and in desperate need of discernment. The very thing you claim to have, you lack! All these men whom you are accusing, have you ever been in their houses and spent some days with them and their families???

    Have you Leon been to their houses and spent some days with Benny Hinn and his family?

    There was this story once about a guy who went to visit a guy because he though he was a really nice person – he was murdered and never seen again. Just trying to show you how ridiculous your argument is.

  • Elmarie A

    Leon

    The very thing you claim to have, you lack! All these men whom you are accusing, have you ever been in their houses and spent some days with them and their families???

    I have never made claims to anything. I have only given Biblical facts.

    Please Show me where did I do this what you are accusing me of to make claims oh pleeease!

    Nope I would not want to visit “them” have no reason to do so. What ever the “them” means?

    Oh I see you have your own ministrie well that make sense why you would defend the likes of Benny Hinn…..hmmmm
    Yikes no thank you I do not need your help.

    In 2002, at the age of 18, Leon radically experienced the supernatural power of God and was instantly delivered from living a life of total darkness, addiction, bondage and demonic influence. God called Leon to take that same experience and encounter that he had to the generation of this hour!

    In obedience to that call, Leon decided to rise up, and is currently overseeing “The Movement” http://www.themovement.co.za, a youth movement which is busy taking off in Umhlanga Rocks, South Africa under the leadership of Destiny Harvest Centre http://www.destiny.co.za and Senior Pastor, Marc Bredenkamp. Leon has also been ministering at youth camps, youth groups, churches and schools, sharing his testimony. His main focus is bringing deliverance and a spiritual encounter to the young people of this nation! http://leondupreez.com/?page_id=150

    I do not need your help thank you as I have all the help from the Lord Jesus and the Holly Spirit and the Word of God. That is the only professional help available you know. You could never dream of helping any one being so insulting and I will pray for your heart to open for your fellow human. But one needs to first love the Lord God with your whole body, mind and soul as Mark 12:30-31 tells us.

    Mark 12:30-31 (Amplified Bible)
    30And you shall love the Lord your God [a]out of and with your whole heart and out of and with all your soul (your [b]life) and out of and with all your mind (with [c]your faculty of thought and your moral understanding) and out of and with all your strength. [d]This is the first and principal commandment.(A)
    31The second is like it and is this, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these.

  • Elmarie A

    Leon

    Oh I see you are also affiliated to Five Fold Ministries International (FFMI) with Harold Wietz hmmm very interesting. Harold Weitz also has very close family ties with Lewende Woord church of Neville Norden.

    Question: “What is the five (5) fold ministry?”

    Answer: The concept of the five-fold ministry comes from Ephesians 4:11, “It was he who gave some to be (1) apostles, some to be (2) prophets, some to be (3) evangelists, and some to be (4) pastors and (5) teachers.” Primarily as a result of this verse, some believe God has restored, or is restoring, the offices of apostle and prophet in the church today. Ephesians 4:12-13 tells us that the purpose of the five-fold ministry is, “to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.” So, since the body of Christ definitely is not built up to unity in the faith and has not attained to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ, the thinking goes, the offices of apostle and prophet must still be in effect.

    However, Ephesians 2:20 informs us that the church is “built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus Himself as the chief cornerstone.” If the apostles and prophets were the foundation of the church, are we still building the foundation? Hebrews 6:1-3 encourages us to move on from the foundation. Although Jesus Christ is most definitely active in the church today, His role as the cornerstone of the church was completed with His death, burial, resurrection, and ascension. If the work of the cornerstone is, in that sense, complete, so must the work of the apostles and prophets, who were the foundation, be complete.

    What was the role of the apostles and prophets? It was to proclaim God’s revelation, to teach the new truth the church would need to grow and thrive. The apostles and prophets completed this mission. How? By giving us the Word of God. The Word of God is the completed revelation of God. The Bible contains everything the church needs to know to grow, thrive, and fulfill God’s mission (2 Timothy 3:15-16). The cornerstone work of the apostles and prophets is complete. The ongoing work of the apostles and prophets is manifested in the Holy Spirit speaking through and teaching us God’s Word. In that sense, the five-fold ministry is still active.

    http://www.gotquestions.org/five-fold-ministry.html

  • Elmarie A

    Leon

    some more info for you:

    These are leaders of chuch groups and professions assisting us with advice.

    Philip Barnard

    -Juris LLB LLM

    H-Dip Tax

    Phillip Barnard is an attorney in Pretoria

    Married to Germien

    I turned to Christ in 1993. The relationship has changed my life.

    It made me aware that Christ is the ultimate truth and light

    Darkness is separation from Christ.

    I have a passion for evangelism and missionary work.
    _______________________________________________________

    Dr Bennie Mostert

    Rev. Dr. Bennie was born at Oranje Mund where he grew up. In 1983 he achieved the degree MTh at the University of Stellenbosch and DD in 1997 at the University of Pretoria.

    As Reverend of the Dutch Reformed Church in Namibia, he worked for four years in Windhoek with Media for Christ and was responsible for telefriend Namibia. Since 1987 he was involved with mobilizing prayer focusing on the unreached and to pray for revival. At present he is managing Director of Jericho Walls International Prayer Network responsible for mobilizing prayer in SA, the Continent of Africa and World Wide. Jericho Walls Int. Prayer Network was founded in March 1993 under the name: Network for United prayer in SA (NUPSA) He was the SA representative for Prayer Track of the AD 2000 movement till the end of the AD 2000 movement until they dissolved. Jericho Walls International Network mobilize at present an estimate of 200 000 intercessors worldwide. Since November to 10 December 2000 NUPSA helped facilitate a 40 day fast in Africa. Christians in 56 Countries participated. He was the coordinator of the National day of prayer on 7 July 1996. He is author of numerous books.

    He is married to Anita.
    ______________________________________________________________

    Dr Perold de Beer

    At the young age of sixteen I found Jesus as my personal Saviour under the ministry of the renowned Dr Oswald J Smith, pastor and missionary statesman. From that moment God gave me a passion for the lost and I spent almost the whole of my ministry in reaching out to Hindus and Muslims in South Africa. I was privileged to see many saved and delivered from sin and the occult.

    I was a founding member of the Reformed Church in Africa and established two congregations in Laudium (Pretoria) and in Phoenix (Durban). We set up the Charisma Evangelism Council to train Christians to reach their Hindu and Muslim neighbors with the saving love of Christ providing also the necessary training for those going abroad.

    My involvement in the “deliverance ministry” opened many avenues to help those who are bound irrespective of their church affiliation.

    I am at present the Moderator of the Reformed Church in Africa. My passion is to seek after a God-given revival in South Africa and beyond that will change the face of our land. In this connection I serve on the Advisory Board of Revival Congresses South Africa.

    My wife, Marietha, is a speech therapist. God has blessed her with a wonderful ministry in Marriage Counseling and leading young people to Christ.
    _____________________________________________________________
    Pastor Nevil Norden

    Nevil matriculated in 1964 and completed a one year training course on prison service. He ran a Health Studio Business for 18 years 1966-1983 and won a Pro Mr. S.A. title in Bodybuilding in 1972. He was a Pastor at Hatfield for 3 years while managing his Health Studio. He studied at the Durban Christian Centre Bible Training College and taught at the Bible School, while pasturing Durban North for two years.

    He started Lewende Woord Ministries in 1986 and was one of the founders of “Woord in Aksie”. He is author of the book: Oorwin Dodelike Siektes van die Siel

    He is married to Rina, a qualified nurse

    “Act-up is an organization that was birthed by the Spirit of the Lord to fulfill the growing need of people that have been caught up in the spiders web of all the lies of the enemy.

    In a country and a community where Biblical standards are no longer the foundation, the need for an organization to help and assist people and to lead them to the “true Tree of Life” is very timely. I believe that this organization can fill a great growing need in this hour.

    Jesus said in John 8:32, that a relationship with the Truth would set the captives free.”
    ____________________________________________________________

    Dr Isak Burger

    Dr Burger studied at the University of Pretoria where he graduated with a BD degree in Theology in 1974. In 1982 he became a lecturer and the Registrar of the AFM Theological College in Aucland Park. During this time he completed his Doctorate on church history at his old Alma Mater. Dr Burger has held several leadership positions namely:

    • District Chairman of the Pretoria South Region
    • President of the AFM of South Africa
    • Member of the Advisory Committee of the World Pentecostal Conference
    • Director of Radio Pulpit
    • Co-chairman of the National Consultation of Churches (Rustenburg 2)

    He has been a member of the Religious Broadcasting Panel of the SABC and the Chairman and Director of Christian Television since 1990. He was elected as President of the AFM of South Africa in April 1996 and is still serving in this office.

    He is married to Heletia

    One of the most distressful problems today is substance abuse. Many families, friends and people are directly or indirectly influenced by it. Every organization that addresses these problem deserve appreciation and acknowledgement. Act-Up Support wants to make a difference from a Biblical view. What I appreciate from this organization is their passion, dedication and integrity in which they fulfill their vision and mission. In a hard and demanding missionary field Act-Up Support will make a difference in the future.

    ___________________________________________________________

    Dr Schabort du Plessis

    Retired minister and pastor.

    Is doing counselling work, mainly working with those who have been involved in occult, satanism and drugs.

    He is also busy with further studies in the same direction

    He is married to Hendrien.
    ____________________________________________________________

    Hannes Snyman

    Hannes is a devoted child of God who has a heart for people. He is a go-getter and always on the move. His fast pace and energy combined with attention to detail makes Hannes a standard-bearer for God in the business community.

    Hannes was born and raised in Pretoria. He qualified as pharmacist at the University of Pretoria in 1990 where after he completed his national service in the medical battalion SAGD in 1992.

    Hannes opened Castle Walk and Castle Ridge Pharmacies as well as Clinics 4 Jesus (C4J) He is a training official and consultant with “Heel Suid Afrika”.

    He is a member of:

    * Moreletapark Dutch Reformed Congregation
    * Aptekersvergeniging
    * United South African Pharmacies
    * Society for Community Pharmacies
    * SA Hunters assosiation
    * Life long member of the SPCA
    * Life long member of friends of the Voortrekker Monument
    * Heritage foundation
    * Member of the CSIR Sportclub
    * Plasy squash and golf.

    Both his parents are still alive and are the inspiration in his life.

    He is married to Wenette Jacobs, an attorney.

    ____________________________________________________________

    Pastor Solly Thobakgale

    I was born on the 4th of August 1972 at Mapela i n Limpopo. Born again on the 17th December 1988 at Ga-Matlou Village.
    Married to Virginia a teacher and we have two sons Kaludi and Ditheto. While at the training College for my teaching diploma, I was called in to the ministry on the 5th October 1995

    I was a member of the International Assemblies of God Mamelodi. We moved to Lindopark and started a branch for L.A.G. I was the general secretary for the church and a assistant pastor as well as a intercessory leader.

    By the Grace of God I was called to Arcadia in 2002 where I started a church with six members (two couples and two children)
    We grew to 60 members and have two branches. One in Arcadia and the other one at Ga-Matlou Village in Limpopo.
    God is still growing us and taking us to a higher dimension.

    Our church has moved to Melgisedek premises where we also take part in hospital ministry and acts of mercy like paying school fees and accommodation, provide food for those who can’t provide for themselves.

    I am praying to God to reveal Himself greatly in this time. My vision is to see multitudes coming to Christ and acknowledge Him as Lord.

    It is a privilege to be involved in intercessory prayer with Act-up Support and to be available to those who need support in accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour.

    All the Glory to our Father God through Jesus Christ our Saviour by the power of the Holy Spirit

    ____________________________________________________________

    Johannes Swart

    Qualified Chartered Accountant and Auditor in public practice

    B Com University of Pretoria 1989

    B Compt (Hons) Unisa in 1991 Passed the qualifying examination of the Public Accountants and Auditors’ Board in 1995. Completed articles with Price Waterhouse and worked as a tax inspector for the South African Revenue Services. Joined Coopers & Lybrand Microcomputer Services and worked as a financial consultant. In public practice since he left Coopers & Lybrand. Client portfolio includes small and medium size businesses and professionals in private practice such as medical doctors and law firms.

    As a Christian I believe that my involvement with organisations such as Act-Up Support is my contribution to creating a better nation and improving peoples’ lives. I believe that Jesus can change and renew people’s lives and that we, as His children, must play an important role to make people aware of this fact.

    He is married to Marietjie

    ______________________________________________________________

    Dr. Stephan Joubert

    In a nutshell: Jesus really drives me crazy and, after 22 years, I am still passionately in love with my wife and my two wonderful kids. On the boring side: I served as professor in New Testament Studies at the University of Pretoria for almost thirteen years. During that time I produced a monograph on Paul and 50 irrelevant academic essays. However, my greatest passion has always been serving the emerging church of the Lord.

    I have written and co-edited more than 50 Christian books. Another milestone is my role as co-editor of a very contemporary Afrikaans translation of the Bible, Die Boodskap, together with Jan van der Watt. It has already received the CBSA award for the best religious publication of the year in South Africa on two occasions (1997 and 2003). About 200 000 copies, in several editions, of this translation have already been printed. An utterly enjoyable edition for children called My Eerste Boodskap has been translated into English, Dutch and Norwegian and has been published for worldwide distribution. In between, I also write a weekly column for a local newspaper and host a weekly radio program, for more than 600,000 listeners on (post-)modern day issues and the Bible. Apart from my role as part-time teaching pastor at a local church, Moreletapark, I also conduct church services and frequently speak at schools, companies and care groups throughout South Africa and abroad several times a week. Another hugely satisfying experience is my role as editor of an Afrikaans cyberchurch called ekerk and a phenomenal e-mail and e-coaching ministry for more than 34,000 people.

    ______________________________________________________________

    Costa Mitchell

    Costa Mitchell is currently the National Director of The Association of Vineyard Churches in South Africa, and co-chairperson of The Consultation of Christian Churches (Western Cape). Costa and his wife, Lorraine, were instrumental in planting and later pastoring the first Vineyard Christian Fellowship in South Africa in 1982.

    Costa has authored two books, “A Practical Guide to Intimacy in Marriage” and “Learn To Love Yoursel”

  • Elmarie A

    Leon

    Feedback of Hatfield and Westbury Trip

    About 2 weeks ago I went to Johannesburg to go minister at Hatfield Christian Church and also at Westbury, a gang-type area. The Saturday night I was scheduled to go to Westbury to minister there, not knowing what was going to happen. I saw God rocked up on the scene, in a neighborhood of poverty and broken people. The evening transpired as normal, until I made an altar call at around 9PM. At this point, as I was about to close the service, I started hearing people crying out to God. I started hearing weeping, and waling, all of a sudden, God rushed into the place and started delivering and setting people free. Devils started fleeing, and around 11h30PM the atmosphere was so saturated with the presence and the power of God that you could literally taste it!

    On that high note, I left Johannesburg around 12h30 the evening not wanting to go to sleep because of the burning fire of God!

    The next night I was scheduled to speak at Hatfield Christian Church North. Although, not exactly the same happened, God still did something great. Of about 800 – 1000 people, I saw more than 100 come to the altar for salvations! Here below are some pictures of what happened at Hatfield!

    Sooo you : “started hearing weeping, and waling, all of a sudden, God rushed into the place and started delivering and setting people free. Devils started fleeing, and around 11h30PM the atmosphere was so saturated with the presence and the power of God that you could literally taste it!”

    Did you see the Devils how did you identify them?

    What did they look like?

    How does one literally taste the atmosphere that was so saturated with the presence and the power of God?

    How did you see God rock up on the seen?

    Nooo really Leon you have me worried here.

  • amedeo

    Deborah

    I picked up in your discussion with Ivin that you believe that the majority of people are not real Christians.
    When one looks at what Jesus said about His return to earth that “all the nations” would try and fight against Him it proves your point.
    My question to you is what happens when the ratpure has taken the few true believers away?
    What chance do those that remain have to then come to the truth, and what should we be doing about it?

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    amedeo

    After the rapture there is a new dispensation. Where God will focus His attention to Israel. This is where the verses of Joel 2 come in. There will be those who remain that most definitely can come to know Jesus Christ – because they probably knew him before but refused to accept Him. Unfortunately they will be martyred for refusing to worship the Anti-Christ. Israel will receive the 2 witnesses as mention in Revelations – Elijah and Moses? It would take Elijah and Moses to get the Israelites to open their eyes – Elijah and Moses will preach to them about Jesus Christ their Messiah. At the same time the Anti-Christ will be there too persuading the Israelites that he is their Messiah. Remember God does seal 144,000 Jews who will witness during this time as well.

    Go read here
    and

    Also understand that there Jews, born again right now as we speak during the time of the Gentiles as evident in Acts. When the time of the Gentiles is over and God’s focus moves to Israel – can gentiles be saved? Absolutely, 10000000000% so.

    You wont be able to do anything because if you are born again you will be with Jesus. What is to come is not in our hands but in God’s hands. God deals with His people in a very different way as to how He deals with Gentiles. Notice how the WoF and NAR are constantly broadcasting their shows from Israel. They are this moment converting Jews to a false Christianity. It’s one big mess.

  • Elmarie A

    Benny Hinn: Touch Not the Anointed One!

    Posted on May 23, 2010 by Chrystal

    1 John 4:1: (NASB)

    Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

    Here is a video sent to me by good friend, Bud Press of Christian Research Service. What you’ll see is Hinn claiming to possess so much of the anointing that merely touching him will suck it right out of him!

    When the video begins, you see Hinn being embraced by a young man who appears to be exhibiting a ”spiritual” manifestation. Upon questioning him, he reveals that he is headed for the NFL. Hinn then tells him that won’t work because God has called him into the ministry instead. So, Hinn effectively just reordered this man’s career path, and since we all know how accurate Hinn’s prophetic words can be (that being as close to zero as you can get), I’m hoping he won’t base his decision on what Hinn has told him.

    What you’re seeing is the “little god” complex coming out of Hinn. He said it’s rare he feels virtue come into him (because he possesses so much of it, I guess), but the young man not only siphoned the anointing out of him, but sent it into him as well. Sounds like some sort of spiritual transfer. Would you want that spirit transferred into you?

    Think about it.

    http://slaughteringthesheep.wordpress.com/2010/05/23/benny-hinn-touch-not-the-anointed-one/

    There is a video clip too at link called “Siphoning the Anointing Out of Benny Hinn” or link here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO7Uy-WHEH4&feature=player_embedded

  • Bruno

    Well.. You spend your time to criticize everything on everyone.. Whoah.. Well done.. you are so strong; you have so much discernment.. you have so much class.. you are…. pfff… what do you do otherwise in life?? Do you do something that builds people up..

  • Elmarie A

    Bruno

    Was it really worth Commenting? Naaaaaaah cannot even give you an answer sorry Bruno

    But here is some Scriptural food for thought to ponder on.

    The apostle John tells us in his first epistle (1 John 4:1-6) how we are to discern which spirits are from God. “Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.”

    It is of utmost importance that Christians are well-grounded in the Scriptures so that they are able to discern which teachers speak from God and which are false in their proclamation. Only then can we reject what is false and “hold on to the good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21).
    http://www.gotquestions.org/judge-teachings-leaders.html

  • Bruno

    to Elmarie… Woah I am impressed.. you can quote the Bible… Hum… God bless you.. I will not waste my time any longer… eish… you are quite something… ciao…

  • Amanda

    Bruno

    Jesus Christ said:

    “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell. (Mat 5:27-30)

    What are your thoughts on that? I would love to know what you think about it?

  • Elmarie A

    Bruno

    to Elmarie… Woah I am impressed.. you can quote the Bible… Hum… God bless you.. I will not waste my time any longer… eish… you are quite something… ciao…

    “What did Jesus mean when He instructed us to turn the other cheek?”

    Answer: The entire section of Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount in which this verse is found can be understood as one where Jesus actually serves to elevate the importance of following Israel’s moral law beyond the letter to the spirit of the law. Much of the material therein complements the nature of His coming characterized by mercy, sacrificial love, and longsuffering toward sinners while at the same time affirming the “last is first” principle upon which the kingdom of God is based.

    For instance, we are told to go the extra mile for someone who abuses us, and to pray for enemies instead of resisting them. All of this can be generally summarized by saying we need to be pure inside and out and should be as accommodating as possible for the sake of a lost world.

    To “turn the other cheek,” does not imply pacifism, nor does it mean we place ourselves or others in mortal danger. Like the principle of the eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth in verse 38, turning the other cheek refers to personal retaliation, not criminal offenses or acts of military aggression. Clearly Jesus did not mean to negate all God’s laws and injunctions protecting us against violent crime or invading armies. Rather, Jesus is speaking here of the principle of non-retaliation to affronts against our own dignity, as well as lawsuits to gain one’s personal assets (v. 40), infringements on one’s liberty (v. 41), and violations of property rights (v. 42). He was calling for a full surrender of all personal rights.

    Turning the other cheek means not to return insult for insult in retaliation, which is what most people expect and how worldly people act.

    Responding to hatred with love just might grab someone’s attention and afford us a chance to share the gospel.

    When we respond in a manner that is unnatural, it displays the supernatural power of the indwelling Holy Spirit. Jesus was the perfect example because

    He was silent before His accusers and did not call down revenge from heaven on those who crucified Him.

    http://www.gotquestions.org/turn-other-cheek.html

  • Elmarie A

    Benny Hinn: “Methinks thou protest too loudly”

    Who is willing to follow the blind leading the blind?

    Benny Hinn has a reputation to some as a miracle man, a man who moves in the supernatural, who sees miracles on a regular basis. But to others, he is a reputed false teacher.

    Until the middle of this year, he was the focus of the supernatural for the ideologues that follow signs and wonders, that is until the Lakeland fire spread. The attention then shifted to a new kid on the block, an unheard of, named Todd Bentley.

    Now Benny Hinn has momentarily become what he has always criticized others of–a “heresy hunter,” and has attacked “God’s anointed,” according to the Bentley camp of signs and wonders.

    Many will see this tactic as one wolf calling out another wolf from feeding on their sheep and interpret it as a move of self-preservation, because of the diminishing donations. A number of us discussed this months ago, wondering when this very event would take place.

    Where was Benny Hinn during the Lakeland revival? Where was Hinn when the controversies reached a fever pitch? Maybe he thought it would not affect his ministry and thought it best to remain silent.

    Nevertheless, Hinn’s decision to speak out against the Florida revival, after the damage was done, puts him in a quandary in a number of ways. True prophets do not hesitate to warn when the body of Christ of impending danger; false prophets warn after the damage is done. Hinn’s allowing the Lakeland revival to run its course and ruin thousands of lives demonstrates he is not a man called to action by God. A true prophet or teacher would not allow this on their watch.

    Benny Hinn has reached a sophisticated level of deception that can be undetected by the majority of church goers, even some who are Bereans. He has learned well from his critics and has, for the most part, kept his mouth from uttering the normal heresies he has been known for in the past. But he is still not divorced from the money he solicits from his followers everywhere he goes, and Benny Hinn Ministries needs mega-bucks to continue operating.

    Hinn’s ministry was moribund because of Bentleys success, and he chose not to speak out when the bar was being raised to become the new wave, as did the Toronto and Brownsville revivals of the past. So why did he wait so long to speak out on the Lakeland revival? Only when it becomes necessary and advantageous for him to speak. Because Bentley is no longer operating, it is an opportune time for Hinn to draw the people back to him.

    Yet, as one who claims to be a prophet of God, Benny Hinn is surrounded by an ocean of contradictions on what he says, not just what he does. Here is an example:

    There is no such thing as a laughing revival. There is no such thing as a laughing – it is not in the Bible. I do not see it in the Bible. Much of what happens is pure emotionalism – contagious laughter. What does it do except make you look stupid? I am not interested in some emotional up” (“Praise The Lord,” July 4, 1997).

    A few months later, Rodney Howard-Browne–the very man who started the laughing revival–was a guest on Hinn’s program. In fact, it was Hinn who launched Rodney Howard-Browne into ministry, when he allowed it all to happen at his own meeting, as he endorsed the laughter in 1991 (seen on the video Benny Hinn: Spirit of truth or Spirit of Error). Laughter broke out among the children at Hinn’s meeting, and Rodney Howard-Browne, who was already on stage ready to go, was called forward by Hinn, who said: “Rodney, God has given you a great anointing for this. Let the holy laughter hit them in Jesus’ mighty name.”

    Hinn passed “it” on to Rodney Howard-Browne and Randy Clark received it and brought it to the Vineyard churches. The Todd Bentley revival is a continuation of Pensacola that came from Toronto that came from Rodney Howard-Browne that came from Benny Hinn, etc, etc.

    Please read on at this link http://www.letusreason.org/b.hinn30.htm

  • Elmarie A

    HINN SAYS TBN WILL RAISE DEAD VIEWERS

    Undaunted by the news media’s debunking of his claim that a man was raised from the dead at one of his healing crusades, Benny Hinn presses on with divine revelations of worldwide resurrections.

    “I’m telling you, I can feel the anointing talking here. People are going to be canceling funeral services and bringing their dead in their caskets, placing them — My God, I feel the anointing here — placing them before a television set, waiting for God’s power to come through and touch them,” Hinn told Paul and Jan Crouch and their Trinity Broadcasting Network viewing audience last fall. The program originally aired live Oct. 19, 1999. It has been replayed several times on TBN, including Jan. 7, 2000.

    Of course, according to the controversial faith healer, the television sets will need be tuned to TBN. “You’re going to have people raised from the dead watching this network. … People around the world who will lose loved ones will say to undertakers, ‘Not yet, I want to take my dead loved one and place him in front of that TV set for 24 hours,’” Hinn announced to the network’s followers.

    Hinn also alleged that God was showing him “rows of caskets lining up in front of this TV set.” “I see them bringing them closer to the TV set and as people are coming closer, I see loved ones picking up the hands of the dead and letting them touch the screen and people are getting raised as their hands are touching that screen,” Hinn said. “The word will spread that if some dead person be put in front of this TV screen, they will be raised from the dead — and they will be by the thousands,” Hinn promised the Crouches and the viewers of their Praise the Lord show.

  • Leon

    That is awesome Bruno! I am totally for you on those comments! lol, Unfortunately some people are forever learning and never coming to the knowledge of the truth! But hey, I have much better things to do for example saving souls and advancing His Kingdom rather than commenting and attacking men of God. Love u lots Bruno, Let’s go kick some devil butt!

  • Amanda

    Leon

    How do you save souls and from what do you save them? Do you encourage youngsters to experience trances and do you hear God speaking to you? Do you believe Benny Hinn is a man of God?

  • Elmarie A

    Leon

    Let’s go kick some devil butt!

    “Do Christians have the authority to rebuke the devil?”

    Answer: There are some Christians who believe they not only have the authority to rebuke the devil, but they believe they must be about the business of rebuking him continually. There is no biblical basis for such a belief. It must be remembered that Satan, unlike God, is not omnipresent. He can only be in one place at a time, and the likelihood of his personally harassing individual Christians is miniscule. Of course, he has legions of demons who do his bidding, and they are everywhere seeking to destroy believers’ testimonies. It should be noted here that the Christian cannot be possessed by a demon, in the same way people in the Bible are described as being possessed.

    As Christians, we need to be aware of the reality of the presence of evil. As we struggle to stand firm in our faith, we must realize that the enemies we are up against are not merely human ideas, but real forces that come from the powers of darkness. The Bible says, “For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places” Ephesians 6:12, NAS).

    Clearly, God has allowed Satan significant amounts of power and influence over the earth, at least for the time being, and always within God’s sovereign control. The Bible tells us that he prowls around like a lion in search of prey, looking for victims to devour (1 Peter 5:8). Satan is the power at work in the hearts of those who refuse to obey God (Ephesians 2:2). Anyone who is not under the control of the sovereign God is under the control of the devil (Acts 26:18; 2 Corinthians 4:4). Born-again Christians are no longer enslaved to Satan or to sin (Romans 6:6-7), but this does not mean we are immune to the temptations that he puts before us.

    The Bible does not give Christians the authority to rebuke the Devil, but to resist him. James 4:7 (NLT) says to “submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.” Zechariah 3:2 tells us that it is the Lord who rebukes Satan. Even Michael, one of the most powerful of the angels, did not dare to accuse Satan, but rather said, “The Lord rebuke you” (Jude 1:9). In response to Satan’s attacks, a Christian should hide under the covering of Christ. Instead of focusing on defeating the devil, we should focus on following Christ (Hebrews 12:2) and trust that He will defeat the forces of evil.

    It is not necessary for a Christian to rebuke Satan because God has given us His full armor to stand against evil (see Ephesians 6:10-18). The most effective weapons we have against the devil are our faith, wisdom, and knowledge about God and His Word. Even Christ, when tempted by Satan, did not rebuke him but answered him with Scripture (see Matthew 4:1-11). To gain victory in spiritual matters, we must maintain a clear conscience and have control over our thoughts. “For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ” (2 Corinthians 10:3-5).
    http://www.gotquestions.org/authority-rebuke-devil.html

  • Alan

    Hey,
    Is it just me, or does ‘Bruno’ look like Brian Houston of Hillsong in Sydney Australia?
    I guess he doesn’t believe in Christians criticizing the behaviour of other Christians huh?
    But then, why the sarcasm?
    Ah well, Jeremiah wasn’t well received either!

    Shalom all,
    Alan.

  • Grant

    Alan (and Leon / Bruno)

    Is it just me, or does ‘Bruno’ look like Brian Houston of Hillsong in Sydney Australia?
    I guess he doesn’t believe in Christians criticizing the behaviour of other Christians huh?
    But then, why the sarcasm?

    I must agree with Alan here, although here’s hoping this blog hasn’t attracted the attention of the likes of Brian Houston aswell. But then again, maybe he could benefit from a little Christian opinion, as I’m sure he doesn’t mingle with too much of that, it certainly would adversely affect his pocket.

    Regarding the sarcasm Alan mentions. It is quite evident that the likes of Bruno “the Dude who is Anti-Scriptural” and Leon “the Dudette or Devil Slayer or Saver of Souls” as I’m going to fondly refer to them due to their New Age affiliation (I’m hoping they won’t be too personally offended), cannot turn to Scripture to support their points of view, for obvious reasons. Slight over-simplification would equate their religion with non-Biblical beliefs. No matter how hard one tries, one cannot stretch the Truth as far as they would like to.

    It is common practice thus, for persons who would defend false religions, to resort to name-calling and sarcasm in a futile effort to make themselves, their evil heroes and their falsehoods, seem justifiable. As Christians our duty is to expose these practitioners, not in an effort to justify our own point of view, but for the sake of the true Church. As Paul eloquently instructs:

    Act 20:28 Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood.
    Act 20:29 I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock;
    Act 20:30 and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them.

    Would you all forgive me for putting it into some Newer Age lingo:
    Leon, ‘zit my Bro! Devil Slaya! Some brotherly advice I give freely: Howz ’bout choo answer some of da questions asked ‘ere instead a critsizng da Christians? Dis ting ‘ere ’bout jah putting da kidz into trances, now dat aint cool mon! Whatcha smokin’ dere?

    Bruno, my udda brudda! The Truth is in the coolest book of them all, you eard ’bout it ‘bro? – ’tis called The Bible. Howz ’bout choo stop being sarcastic and read it? Borrow some ‘air from da Leon dude, mon! Jool both feel free and look way good! Ciao

  • Robbie

    Leon says!

    >>>I have much better things to do for example saving souls<<<

    You like putting your foot in it don't you mate? wanna rephrase this… quickly?

  • Amanda

    Robbie

    It was not a slip of the tongue. He also says it here:

    Do you know that you have the ability to save someone from an eternity in hell, and propel them into their destiny? What an awesome responsibility! I have no doubt that you will receive great eternal rewards for doing this. So let’s go for it!

  • Elmarie A

    Amanda/Robbie

    And further it also says : Bring your friends, bring family members, bring strangers, bring someone and come and be touched!

    Touched by what ?? definitley not by our Jesus we know so dearly or the Holy Spirit. It could only be a false Jesus and demonic spirit.

    We must pray for Leon and Kie that they find the Real Jesus and Holy Spirit.

    Just to think how they deceive young kids make my heart break into a milion pieces.

  • Leon

    Dear Elmarie, Amanda, Robbie, Alan, Grant and the likes…

    Firstly, I do not have the time to answer your 100 question game. I am accountable and responsible first of all to Jesus Christ and to my oversight.

    Secondly, I have much better things to do than criticize, accuse, name calling (It is quite evident that the likes of Bruno “the Dude who is Anti-Scriptural” and Leon “the Dudette or Devil Slayer or Saver of Souls”) or any other carnal behavior.

    Thirdly, I feel very sad for those who are associated to you and intoxicated by the spirit of error and demons of doctrines which has crept into your lives. I will be saying a few prayers for you and more for those who are influenced by you then after that I will be wiping the dust of my feet regarding this “place”…

    God Bless you all!
    Leon du Preez

  • Amanda

    Leon

    You said:

    I have much better things to do than criticize, accuse, name calling

    Do you then repent for saying to Elmarie:

    U need some serious professional help, and in desperate need of discernment.

    and

    Unfortunately some people are forever learning and never coming to the knowledge of the truth!

    You say:

    I feel very sad for those who are associated to you and intoxicated by the spirit of error and demons of doctrines which has crept into your lives.

    I take it you mean doctrines of demons? Could you please point out where we taught a doctrine of demons? You seem to be an expert on demons. You teach the youngsters:

    Unfortunately at this level there is no deliverance and freedom. At this level a believer can come full of devils, pray and ask God things, leave and come back the next night with the same devils.

    Shame on you for misleading them into believing that a Christian can have both the Holy Spirit and demons!

    Leon, what is this all about?:

    You might be in your darkest hour right now, but I want to tell you that you have a treasure to find there! You have the ability to embrace this time of struggle and prevail and discover His treasure for you!

    Even JESUS had to prevail and go through his darkest hour in order to fulfill His Destiny!

    Check with your overseer, but my advice to you is to take that article down as soon as possible.

  • Amanda

    Leon

    after that I will be wiping the dust of my feet regarding this “place”…

    You did not come here to proclaim the Good News, but to attack us for defending Christianity against false teachings that you are part of. Your are welcome to spread your spirituality and you may call it what you want, but if you choose to use the name of our great God and Savior to promote your luring youngsters into experiencing trances, then we shall expose you and warn parents, teenagers and the schools against you.

    Repent from your false teaching and your trances. Jesus Christ died even for that and He freely offers you forgiveness for your sins.

  • Elmarie A

    Leon

    I echo the words of Amanda to you : Repent from your false teaching and your trances. Jesus Christ died even for that and He freely offers you forgiveness for your sins.

    and also these words that Amanda said Check with your overseer, but my advice to you is to take that article down as soon as possible.

    Leon shame on you for misleading the young and innocent with your works of false teachings and it is shocking!!!

    John 3:19-21 (Amplified Bible)

    19The [basis of the] judgment (indictment, the test by which men are judged, the ground for the sentence) lies in this: the Light has come into the world, and people have loved the darkness rather than and more than the Light, for their works (deeds) were evil.(A)

    20For every wrongdoer hates (loathes, detests) the Light, and will not come out into the Light but shrinks from it, lest his works (his deeds, his activities, his conduct) be exposed and reproved.

    21But he who practices truth [who does what is right] comes out into the Light; so that his works may be plainly shown to be what they are–wrought with God [divinely prompted, done with God’s help, in dependence upon Him].

  • Bruno

    ah ah ah ah ah ah.. Blessings.

  • Elmarie A

    Bruno

    ah ah ah ah ah ah.. Blessings.

    Are you laughing backwards ? Well that is just demonic especially adding “Blessings” to you comment makes it worse.

    or are you shocked ? No reason to be shocked at all.

    So you then wasted some energy and time with your silly comment. You know you could have used that time to just rather read a Bible verse.

  • Bruno

    Elmarie, Grant and Alan…

    Your ministry is a ministry of death.. The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

    But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious…how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? (2 Corinthians 3:6-8)

    These verses contain another contrasting choice that results in people either living by bankrupt human resources, or by bountiful heavenly ones. This contrast is “the ministry of death versus the ministry of life.” These terms come from correlating four phrases: “the letter kills…the Spirit gives life…the ministry of death…the ministry of the Spirit.” Of course, the old covenant of law is the “ministry of death,” and the new covenant of grace is the “ministry of life” (“ministry of the Spirit…the Spirit gives life”).

    You don’t not know me and you think you and your friend can label me or other people because you can write something. YOU DO NOT MANIFEST THE CHARACTER OF CHRIST….

    You have a critical spirit… You condemn the person as well as the perceived action (Prov 12:18) You focus on the fault ACCORDING to your perception or interpretation of the Bible… Maybe you should examine yourself… Like 6:41… You and your friends spend hours to ridicule others instead of encouraging others (Proverbs 11:12) You make judgement based without knowing the fruits of the person (John 7:24 and Matthew 12:33-37) You simply assume the worst without knowing the person (John 7:51) You tears others down instead of building people up (Eph 4:29).

    Maybe your sense of significance is enhanced when you point out the wrongs of other.. You dare to make people think that you know the Word.. Hey wake up the Word is CHRIST. THE WORD is A PERSON..

    You are right on one thing though… I’d rather read the bible than coming back on this stinking website place..

    I will not WASTE my time with your bunch… You SHOULD REPENT..

  • Amanda

    Bruno

    Leon is teaching you:

    In order for you to tap into the hidden treasures buried inside of you, you have to go deep within yourself!

    That may be New Age, but it is not Christianity. It cannot save you from the wrath of God stored up for the day of judgment. Jesus Christ died so that sinners might be saved and not for you to indulge in dreams and visions and trances. Repent and receive forgiveness for your sins on account of Jesus Christ’s death on the cross for you.

  • Elmarie A

    Bruno

    YOU DO NOT MANIFEST THE CHARACTER OF CHRIST….

    There we go a BUZZ word!! MANIFEST just so loved by these False churches. Such a pity these false churches water the Word of God down to the gutters.

    “Should Christians judge the teachings of their leaders?”

    Answer: As Christians, we are commanded against following teachers blindly, but are told rather to “Test everything; hold on to the good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21). The apostle Peter warns us in 2 Peter 2:1-3 that there will be false teachers in our day just as there were false teachers in his day. Among their false teachings is a denial of the sufficiency of the sacrifice of Christ on the cross to take away sin, which is a common theme among cultists today. Another characteristic of false teachers is the greed which motivates them in everything they do. Paul offers a similar warning to the Ephesian elders in Acts 20:29-31, calling the false teachers “savage wolves” who mercilessly attempt to destroy the faith of the sheep and draw them away from the Shepherd. Paul warned them continually, pleading with them night and day to be on their guard against such deceivers.

    From these passages, we see clearly that we are to distinguish between true and false teachers. How then are we to do that? First, as Paul instructs the Ephesians, we are to “no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming” (Ephesians 4:14). Rather, we are to “become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ” and we do this by “the knowledge of the Son of God” (v. 13). The knowledge of Christ can only be obtained through the Word of God, and it is by that Word that we distinguish between the true and the false.

    In Matthew 7:15-20, Jesus offers some critical advice in discerning who is a false prophet: “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruits you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruits you will recognize them.” Plainly stated, is the teacher’s life marked by a progressive conformity to the likeness of Christ? Is the teacher bearing the fruits of the Spirit? Just as only good trees produce good fruit, so do only true teachers of Christ display the fruit of the Spirit—love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control (Galatians 5:22-23), whereas false prophets and teachers display the acts of their sinful natures (Galatians 5:19-22). By these fruits, we recognize true and false teachers.

    Secondly, does the teaching that is being presented conform to the message as proclaimed by the early church and the Apostles? As Paul writes to the church in Galatia: “I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!” These are harsh words indeed that Paul has for the false teachers, but eternal condemnation is what they store up for themselves until the day of God’s wrath (Romans 2:5-6).

    The apostle John tells us in his first epistle (1 John 4:1-6) how we are to discern which spirits are from God. “Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.”

    It is of utmost importance that Christians are well-grounded in the Scriptures so that they are able to discern which teachers speak from God and which are false in their proclamation. Only then can we reject what is false and “hold on to the good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21).
    http://www.gotquestions.org/judge-teachings-leaders.html

  • Elmarie A

    Bruno

    “Should we allow false teachers into our home?”

    Answer: The short letter of 2 John is written in part to warn believers against the influence of false teachers. John identifies them as those “who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh” and describes them as deceivers and antichrists (2 John 7). He goes on to prohibit receiving them into our homes or wishing them well. The question is whether this prohibition refers to those who knock on our doors today, such as Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses. Are we to deny members of these sects access to our homes?

    It is important to understand exactly what it means that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. Many cultists will agree that Jesus was a man of flesh and bone who walked the earth around 2000 years ago. But that is not what John means here. He first addressed this issue in 1 John 4:2, telling us how to identify false teachers and the spirits who drive them. The first test of a true teacher/prophet of God is that they proclaim that Jesus is God incarnate in human flesh (John 1:14). Both the full deity and full humanity of Christ will be asserted by any teacher who truly comes from God. The Holy Spirit testifies to the true nature of Christ, while Satan and his demonic host deny that true nature. That is why John identifies anyone who denies the deity of Christ—which both the Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses do—as deceivers and antichrists.

    What should be our response, then, when cultists come knocking at the door? John, writing by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, gives a clear answer: we are not to receive them into our homes. While John was likely more commanding against allowing false teachers to stay in your home than just allowing them in the door, the principle is the same. We are not to do anything that would give the appearance we approve of their message. Many people feel “called” to debate endlessly with cultists, bringing them into their homes for Bible studies or witnessing to them in chat rooms and forums. But God does not call us to do these things; He commands us to avoid false teachers. Cultists are master deceivers who are well-trained in techniques that will confuse those whose knowledge of Scripture is limited—the very ones cultists most often seek out. It is invariably these well-meaning and compassionate souls who dialog with cultists. But God’s desire is to protect the weak among His people and John’s prohibition reflects that desire.

    John’s final warning regards “greeting” cultists, which the King James Version translates as bidding them “God speed.” This phrase in the Greek means to cheerfully or joyfully hail or salute someone. In other words, we are not to give cultists or anyone else the impression that we see them as having legitimate claims, doctrines, or opinions. We are not to bless them or wish them well. John tells us that to do so is to share in their wicked work. Christians are of Christ; cultists are anti-Christ, no matter how kind, sincere, and charming they may appear. We can have no fellowship with darkness or those who spread falsehood; rather, we are to separate ourselves from them.

    But aren’t we to witness to them about Christ? Aren’t they the mission field? Interestingly, nowhere in the Bible are we called to witness to false teachers. Jesus tells us to “watch out” for them (Matthew 7:15) and Paul tells us to “avoid them” (Romans 16:17) and declares them to be “accursed” (Galatians 1:8). We are, of course, to be always ready with an answer for the hope that is within us (1 Peter 3:15), but that presupposes the cultist is actually interested in the true hope of salvation through Christ, something that is rarely, if ever, the case. We are to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15), but we are not to cast our pearls before pigs (Matthew 7:6). In regards to cultists, it is especially important to rely on the Lord’s wisdom (James 1:5) in discerning the difference between an opportunity and a distraction.
    http://www.gotquestions.org/allow-false-teachers-home.html

  • Elmarie A

    Bruno

    “What is the best way to evangelize someone who is in a cult or false religion?”

    Answer: The most important thing we can do for those involved in cults or false religions is pray for them. We need to pray that God would change their hearts and open their eyes to the truth (2 Corinthians 4:4). We need to pray that God would convince them of their need for salvation through Jesus Christ (John 3:16). Without the power of God and conviction of the Holy Spirit, we will never succeed in convincing anyone of the truth (John 16:7-11).

    We also need to be living a godly Christian life, so those trapped in cults and religions can see the change God has made in our own lives (1 Peter 3:1-2). We need to pray for wisdom in how we can minister to them in a powerful way (James 1:5). After all of this, we must be bold in our actual sharing of the gospel. We must proclaim the message of salvation through Jesus Christ (Romans 10:9-10). We always need to be prepared to defend our faith (1 Peter 3:15), but we must do so with gentleness and respect. We can proclaim the doctrine correctly, win the war of words, and still impede the cause by an attitude of angry superiority.

    Ultimately, we must leave the salvation of those to whom we witness up to God. It is God’s power and grace that saves people, not our efforts. While it is good and wise to be prepared to give a vigorous defense and have knowledge of false beliefs, neither of these things will result in the conversion of those trapped in the lies of the cults and false religions. The best we can do is pray for them, witness to them, and live the Christian life in front of them, trusting that the Holy Spirit will do the work of drawing, convincing, and converting.
    http://www.gotquestions.org/cult-evangelism.html

  • Elmarie A

    Bruno

    “When should a Christian try to correct another Christian?”

    Answer: This can be a delicate subject. It is wise to spend time in prayer first, to check our motivation and ask for guidance. There are times when Christians are called upon to “talk to” or try to correct a fellow Christian. Assuming we are talking about a matter of sin in a believers’ life, our motive and intent should always be to bring about repentance and restoration to the erring brother or sister in Christ.

    First, our attitude is very important. “Be kind and tender to one another. Forgive each other, just as God forgave you because of what Christ has done” (Ephesians 4:32). It is then that we are more able to “speak the truth in love” (Ephesians 4:15). In his epistle to the Galatians, Paul had a similar warning about attitude: “Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted” (Galatians 6:1). Here we see that those who are “spiritual,” meaning walking in the Spirit in faith and obedience, should gently restore someone who is in sin, being always aware of how easily we can all be tempted by Satan who wants to ensnare everyone in his traps.

    The Bible prescribes the procedure for confronting a sinning brother or sister in an extensive passage on church discipline: “If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector” (Matthew 18:15-17). Again, this is the procedure for confronting a sinning brother, not someone whose behavior you feel needs modifying in some way or someone who merely irritates or annoys you.

    On a different slant, one of the most often quoted scriptures is “Judge not, lest ye be judged” (Matthew 7:1 KJV). Taken out of context, the verse has been used to incorrectly justify never taking a stand on anything that would require a judgment to be made. Rather, the verse is referring to hypocritical, self-righteous, unfair kinds of judgment, especially where the confronter is guilty of the same sin as the one being confronted.

    So, when should Christians talk to or try to correct a fellow Christian? When we have talked to the Lord first, have an attitude of submission and concern for the other person, and are committed to following the procedures outlined in His Word for such a situation.
    http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-correct-Christian.html

  • Amanda

    Bruno

    You are correct. It is the Law that condemns you:

    Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God. For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin. (Rom 3:19-20)

    You break the Law on a daily basis and you need a Saviour. Leon teaches that your problem is “unformed purpose and destiny”. His solution is “In order for you to tap into the hidden treasures buried inside of you, you have to go deep within yourself!” The Bible says:

    But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it– the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. (Rom 3:21-26)

    Leon’s preaching is to lure you into the “secret place” to experience “dreams and visions and trances” and not to produce faith in Jesus Christ and Him crucified for sinners. In fact, the Jesus that he preaches cannot save.

    Peter had to come to a place where he was face to face with himself! He had to realize that underneath all those masks of bravery, boldness and arrogance was someone who would cowardly betray the Lord! Only when he saw the darkness of his own heart and his true identity like Jacob could he realize that he needs help!

    If the angel remembered Peter’s name, right now He is remembering your name! God is remembering your name and right now He is calling you by your name!

    You might be in your darkest hour right now, but I want to tell you that you have a treasure to find there! You have the ability to embrace this time of struggle, prevail and discover His treasure for you!

    Even JESUS had to prevail and go through His darkest hour in order to fulfill His Destiny!

    Here Jesus is our example, going through the same experience and prevailing. Bruno, I can assure you that Jesus Christ did not find darkness within Himself:

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. He came as a witness, to bear witness about the light, that all might believe through him. He was not the light, but came to bear witness about the light. The true light, which enlightens everyone, was coming into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him. (Joh 1:1-10)

    Bruno, Jesus Christ is revealed to us in the Word. It is Leon who is making stuff up that is not taught in the Word. The apostles did not teach that we should go hour after hour until we experience visions, dreams and trances. Either the Word is right or Leon is, but they cannot both be right, because they contradict each other. Are you going to put your trust in a man to experience trances or are you going to trust Jesus Christ to save you from the righteous wrath of God against you for breaking His Law?

  • Dear brothers and sisters in Christ,

    My name is Rudi. I have briefly read some of the comments on this page, and do not want to debate or argue, but would like to just say the following.

    I have the privilege of having both Ps Bruno Picard and Ps Leon du Preez as my pastors and oversight. I have worked closely with them, and I have seen the true character of Jesus Christ in their lives. I have also seen the great sacrifice that they continually make in laying down their lives in prayer and service for others, in order that the purposes of God may be accomplished in the lives of many. They are truly servants of God, their conduct proves it, their lives testify of it everyday. I can vouch for this, because I have seen it.

    Also, the fruit that they bear proves this. Under their ministries I have seen so many people come to know Jesus. I have seen people with broken lives, people in bondage, people with no hope, people struggling with addictions, people struggling with rejection… These people come to the meetings and they are set free, healed, delivered.. When they leave, their lives has changed.. They find hope, freedom and love by getting to know Jesus Christ.. And this what our faith is all about.. It is to see people’s lives changed, because God changes the hearts of people. God changes people from brokenness to restored lives… he changes them from hopelessness to having hope… He changes them from being hurt, angry, selfish, and lost and unloved to being people who knows God and has life flowing out from inside of them.. they become people who loves others and desire to see all others find the same joy and happiness and peace in knowing the salvation of God…

    This is what our faith is about…. its not about attacking each other.. it’s not about causing disunity or debates and arguments among us… we are brothers and sisters… please, I beg of you, for your own sake and for the sake of unity of Christ’s church, let us not judge, condemn, slander or attack each other..

    1 Cor 1:10 “Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.”

    My dear brother and sister, God’s leaders are not the enemy. The enemy is the devil, and he is always trying to take out God’s leaders. Ps Bruno Picard and Ps Leon du Preez are men of God, and certainly God works through them. I do not say this because I perceive them to be great in themselves, but because I see the character of Christ in their lives and the good fruit that they bear, which is how I know that they are not false, because Jesus said you will know them by their fruits. Please I ask you that you would not speak evil of them. Rather immerse yourself in intercession for people like them if God so leads, because they are certainly in the battle and they need all the support they can get.

    If you disagree with what they teach, then I beg you to humbly search the scriptures and seek after truth.. If you are certain that you have come to the knowledge of the truth, then humbly and earnestly pray that God may also bring them to the knowledge of the truth if they are wrong.. (which they are not, in my own opinion, according to my interpretation of scripture, but I will not debate..) There will always be things that we disagree about.. History proves that.. Every leader will say some things that you disagree with, and he may be right or he may be wrong, but it is not for you to bring him down and destroy him.. Humbly pray for unity.. Pray for revival.. Fight against the devil..

    Your website is called discerning the world, which I think is a great title.. being in the website industry myself, I think this website has great potential.. but, I humbly ask you sir, to discern the world truly, and to see that the world is in desperate need of God. There are people dying of hunger, there are people dying of Aids, there are people dying without hope and without God.. there are so many people whose lives are destroyed by drugs and crime and all kinds of evil.. they desperately need God!! We must take God to them.. We must show God to them.. We must help them and love them.. We cannot afford to be fighting against each other..

    The days are evil, sir.. I beg you, do not fight against us.. join us.. join us in showing the world that God loves them.. join us in reaching out to the broken people around us.. because we were once there as well, lost in our sin.. but God saved our souls.. and He wants to do it for others as well, if we will but love them and testify to them of who God is and what He has done for them..

    Thank you for taking the time to read my reply, and I humbly apologize in advance if there is anything I said in here that offends you in any way..

    Your friend in Christ,
    Rudi van der Merwe

  • Theresa

    Dear Elmarie,

    The very people you and your own following are critizing are peole I have known personally, been taught and mentored by.No I guess your response to that would be that you would not like to associate with me either, well let me put you at ease,I am far more picky about my friends than what you are! The question I would like to ask you, all these ministries that you so quickly critize as being false and being false prophets, have you looked at the fruit of their ministries? Because ultimately that is what Jesus says” Bytheir fruits the will be known” One sows the seed, one waters but God gives the increase, so when I look at the increase in these ministries I must then assume that God is who He says He is or that He is a God of confusion to bring increase into the ministries of false prophets!How much of the great commission have you and your following full filled? Have you raised any dead of late, have you laid hands on the sick and seen them healed, have you delivered anyone lately from the bondage of satan?…oh wait, you don’t believe that we can do that, or as you asked Leon, tongue in cheek I gues, what demons look like etc.If you are up to a challenge why don’t you ask the HOly Spirit to open your spiritual eyes! This is the quote from Amanda “That may be New Age, but it is not Christianity. It cannot save you from the wrath of God stored up for the day of judgment. Jesus Christ died so that sinners might be saved and not for you to indulge in dreams and visions and trances. Repent and receive forgiveness for your sins on account of Jesus Christ’s death on the cross for you.” What bible are you reading? Acts 10:9 onwards speaks about Peter’s vision and if you go study it in the originallanguage it would mean trance. The book of Revelation was given to John by VISIONS!!!! The old Testament is filled with the prophets who got VISIONS and DREAMS!! let alone the fact that God’s word (which you so eloquently quote, but then so did satan)…states very clearly “Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
    Joe 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit. ” what is there not to understand? Elmarie you have done nothing to slander mighty ministries, such as Neville has allot of assosiations with false teachers like Elza Meyer, Angus Buchan, Ray Mackauley, Herlod Weitz, Randy Clarck, Gary Kiewetter, Izak Burger, Kim Clement, Dr Fred Roberts, the late Oral Roberts, Joel Osteen, my gosh is their actually one ministry that you do not condemn. Oh and your comment about the DCC being octagonal and the number 8 – What do you you find confusing? 8 in fact is the number of resurrection and new beginnings.When something is resurrected it has a new beginning! When Jesus was resurrected it was a new beginning for the world! You say that it is not scriptual for Ps Harold Weitz and others to prophecy over people, clearly my dear friend the pages of your bible is lacking many pages, in particular 1 Corinthians 12v 8-10!
    It does astound me that these great ministries that you fault so much, has the confirmation of signs,miracles and wonders following them. I know what you going to say: “Well Theresa the Bible also says that false prophets will have signs miracles etc..” and yes you are right, but the greatest moracle of all is salvation, and a false ministry, which would be driven by satan will not have fruit of salvations, as a house divided against it self will fall.
    You,Elmarie have made this blog your own platform topreaaach your doctrine or opnion from, well lets see if God gives you the increase. You also stated that you don;t need anyone to teach you cos you have Jesus and the Holy Spirit, that is true, partially, you see that is the problem with doctrine of error, it is always partially true…If we donot need anyone to teach us other than Jesus and the Holy Spirit, why on earth would there have been the likes of Paul, Timothy, and all the other amazing teachers who taught others after Christ had ascended? Surely they could have all just stayed isolated and been led by the Holy Spirit? Well lets see what the WOrd of God says about that “Pro 18:1 He that separateth himself seeketh his own desire, and snarlest against all sound wisdom.
    Pro 18:2 A fool hath no delight in understanding, but only that his heart may lay itself bare.
    You operate by the spirit of divination as well as the spirit of Leviathan your main aim is to bring about division and strife. You have an unteachable spirit.

    But I pray for you and your following for much of what you have said above brings me much joy, as it is proof that we are living in the last days!

  • Elmarie A

    Theresa/Rudi van der Merwe/Bruno/Leon

    To the Gang above from here!!!

    “What are the dangers of postmodernism?”

    Answer: Simply put, Postmodernism is a philosophy that affirms no objective or absolute truth, especially in matters of religion and spirituality. When confronted with a truth claim regarding the reality of God and religious practice, Postmodernism’s viewpoint is exemplified in the statement “that may be true for you, but not for me.” While such a response may be completely appropriate when discussing favorite foods or preferences toward art, such a mindset is dangerous when it is applied to reality because it confuses matters of taste and opinion with truth.

    The term “Postmodernism” literally means “after Modernism” and is used to philosophically describe the current era which came after the age of Modernism. Postmodernism is a reaction (or perhaps more appropriately, a disillusioned response) to Modernism’s failed promise of using human reason alone to better mankind and make the world a better place. Because one of Modernism’s beliefs was that absolutes did indeed exist, Postmodernism seeks to “correct” things by first eliminating absolute truth and making everything (including the empirical sciences and religion) relative to an individual’s beliefs and desires.

    The dangers of Postmodernism can be viewed as a downward spiral that begin with the rejection of absolute truth, which then leads to a loss of distinctions in matters of religion and faith, and finally culminates in a philosophy of religious pluralism that says no faith or religion is objectively true and therefore no one can claim his or her religion is true and another is false.

    Dangers of Postmodernism – #1 – Relative Truth

    Postmodernism’s stance of relative truth is the outworking of many generations of philosophical thought. From Augustine to the Reformation, the intellectual aspects of Western civilization and the concept of truth were dominated by theologians. But, beginning with the Renaissance periods of the 14th – 17th centuries, thinkers began to elevate humankind to the center of reality. If one were to look at human periods of history like a family tree, the Renaissance would be Modernism’s grandmother and the Enlightenment would be its mother. Renee Descartes’ “I think, therefore I am” personified the beginning of this era. God was not the center of truth any longer – man now was.

    The Enlightenment was in a way the complete imposition of the scientific model of rationality upon all aspects of truth and claimed that only scientific data could be objectively understood, defined, and defended. Truth as it pertained to religion was left out and discarded. The philosopher who straddled this epoch’s and Modernism’s contribution to relative truth was the Prussian Immanuel Kant and his work The Critique of Pure Reason, which appeared in 1781. Among other things, Kant argued that true knowledge about God was impossible so he created a divide of knowledge between “facts” and “faith.” According to Kant, “Facts have nothing to do with religion.” The end result was that spiritual matters were assigned to be matters of the heart and just opinion, and only the empirical sciences were allowed to speak of truth. And while Modernism believed in absolutes at least in the area of science, God’s special revelation (the Bible) was evicted from the realm of truth and certainty.

    From Modernism came Postmodernism and, whereas Kant marked the philosophical transition from the Enlightenment to Modernism, Frederick Nietzsche may symbolize the shift from Modernism to Postmodernism. As the patron saint of postmodernist philosophy, Nietzsche held to “perspectivism,” which says that all knowledge (including science) is a matter of perspective and interpretation. Many other philosophers have built upon Nietzsche’s work (e.g. Foucault, Rorty, and Lyotard) and have shared his rejection of God and religion in general. They also rejected any hint of absolute truth, or as Lyotard put it, a rejection of a metanarrative (a truth that transcends all peoples and cultures).

    This philosophical march through history against objective truth has resulted in Postmodernism having a complete aversion to any claim to absolutes, with such a mindset naturally painting a huge bull’s-eye on something that declares to be inerrant truth, such as the Bible.

    Dangers of Postmodernism – #2 – Loss of Discernment

    The great theologian Thomas Aquinas said, “It is the task of the philosopher to make distinctions.” What Aquinas meant is that truth is dependent upon the ability to discern – the capability to distinguish “this” from “that” in the realm of knowledge. However, if objective and absolute truth does not exist, then everything becomes a matter of personal interpretation. To the postmodern individual, the author of a book does not possess the correct interpretation of their work; it is the reader who actually determines what the book really means – a process called deconstruction. And given that there are multiple readers (vs. one author), there are naturally multiple interpretations, with the end result being no universally valid interpretation.

    Such a chaotic situation makes it impossible to make meaningful or lasting distinctions between interpretations because there is no standard or benchmark that can be used. This especially applies to matters of faith and religion because the philosophers of the Enlightenment and Modernism had already deposed religion to the compartment of opinion. Such being the case, it naturally follows that attempting to make proper and meaningful distinctions in the area of religion (ones that dare suggest that one belief is right and another invalid) carries no more weight than one person arguing that chocolate tastes better than vanilla. In such situations, it becomes impossible to objectively adjudicate between competing truth claims.

    Dangers of Postmodernism – #3 – Pluralism

    If absolute truth does not exist, and if there is no way to make meaningful, right/wrong distinctions between different faiths and religions, then the natural conclusion is that all beliefs must be given equal weight and considered valid. The proper term for this practical outworking in Postmodernism is “philosophical pluralism.” With pluralism, no religion has the right to pronounce itself right or true and the other competing faiths false, or even relatively inferior. For those who espouse a philosophical religious pluralism, there is no longer any heresy, except perhaps the view that there are heresies. D. A. Carson underscores conservative evangelical’s concerns about what they see as the dangerous element of pluralism when he says, “In my most somber moods I sometimes wonder if the ugly face of what I refer to as philosophical pluralism is the most dangerous threat to the gospel since the rise of the Gnostic heresy in the second century.”

    These progressive dangers of Postmodernism – relative truth, a loss of discernment, and philosophical pluralism – represent real and imposing threats to Christianity because they collectively relegate God’s Word to something that has no real authority over mankind and no ability to show itself as true in a world of competing religious voices. What is Christianity’s response to these challenges?

    Response to the Dangers of Postmodernism

    It should first be stated that Christianity claims to be absolutely true, claims that meaningful distinctions in matters of right/wrong (as well as spiritual truth and falsehood) exist, and claims to be correct in its claims about God with any contrary claims from competing religions being incorrect. Such a stance provokes cries of “arrogance” and “intolerance” from Postmodernism. However, truth is not a matter of attitude or preference, and when closely examined, the foundations and philosophies of Postmodernism quickly crumble and reveal Christianity’s claims to be both plausible and compelling.

    First, Christianity claims that absolute truth exists. In fact, Jesus specifically says that He was sent and born to do one thing: “to testify to the truth” (John 18:37). Postmodernism says that no truth should be affirmed, yet its position is one that is self-defeating – it affirms at least one absolute truth: that no truth should be affirmed. This means that Postmodernism does believe in absolute truth, and such a fact is exemplified by its philosophers who write books stating things they expect their readers to embrace and believe as truth. Putting it simply, one professor has said, “When someone says there is no such thing as truth, they are asking you not to believe them. So don’t.”

    Second, Christianity claims that meaningful distinctions exist between the Christian faith and all other beliefs. However, it should be understood that those claiming that meaningful distinctions do not exist between religions are actually making a distinction. They are attempting to showcase a difference in what they believe to be true and the Christian’s truth claims. Postmodernist authors expect their readers to come to the right conclusions about what they have written and will correct those who interpret their work differently than they have intended. Again, their position and philosophy proves itself to be self-defeating because they eagerly make distinctions between what they believe to be correct and what they see as being false.

    Finally, Christianity claims to be universally true in what it says regarding man’s lostness before God, the sacrifice of Christ on behalf of fallen mankind, and the separation between God and anyone who chooses not to accept what God says about sin and the need for repentance. When Paul addressed the Stoic and Epicurean philosophers on Mars Hill, he said, “Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent” (Acts 17:30, emphasis added). Paul’s declaration was not a “this is true for me, but may not be true for you” statement, but rather an exclusive and universal command (i.e. a metanarrative) from God to everyone. Any postmodernist who says this is false is committing an error against his own pluralistic philosophy that says no faith or religion is incorrect because, once again, he violates his own mandate of saying every religion is equally true.

    In the same way that it is not arrogant for a math teacher to insist that 2+2=4 or for a locksmith to insist that only one key will fit a locked door, it is not arrogant for the Christian to stand against Postmodernist thinking and insist that Christianity is true and anything opposed to it is false. Absolute truth does exist, consequences do exist for being wrong, and while pluralism may be desirable in matters of food preferences, it is not so in matters of truth. The Christian is to present God’s truth in love and simply ask any postmodernist who is angered by the exclusive claims of Christianity, “So have I become your enemy by telling you the truth?” (Galatians 4:16).
    http://www.gotquestions.org/postmodernism-dangers.html

    Also go read here and there are 3 pages worth of articles with Biblical poof :

  • Elmarie A

    Rudi van der Merwe

    I think this website has great potential.. but, I humbly ask you sir, to discern the world truly,

    Naaah no Thanks Rudi it will mean this blog has to be like this?

    Nope not Biblical advise. In fact your request is just Totally Absurd!! Sorry I cannot trust you Rudi.

    Humans are by their nature unreliable; if we put our complete faith in another person, chances are we’ll be disappointed at some point. By contrast, God is completely trustworthy, and will never let us down when we put our faith in him. http://www.gospel.com/topics/trust+in+god

    Jeremiah 17:5 (Amplified Bible)
    5Thus says the Lord: Cursed [with great evil] is the strong man who trusts in and relies on frail man, making weak [human] flesh his arm, and whose mind and heart turn aside from the Lord.

    Trust requires commitment and faith. To trust in someone is to rely on them, to believe in them. In Proverbs chapter 3, we are promised that by trusting in the Lord our paths will be made straight, that is to say, we will be given direction for our lives.http://www.gospel.com/topics/trust+in+the+lord+with+all+your+heart

    Proverbs 3:5-6 (Amplified Bible)
    5Lean on, trust in, and be confident in the Lord with all your heart and mind and do not rely on your own insight or understanding.6In all your ways know, recognize, and acknowledge Him, and He will direct and make straight and plain your paths.

  • Amanda

    Rudi

    I appreciate your soft answer. Your love and concern for these two young preachers are obvious from your words. I would beg you then to do the one thing that you do not want to do and that is to compare what Leon is teaching here and here to the Word of God. Let this weigh heavy on your heart for Leon’s sake:

    But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. (Gal 1:8-9)

    Rudi, we are supposed to be good Bereans and to search the Scriptures to see if these things are so and it is not. We do not have a hidden treasure inside of us. Good works do not cancel out false teaching.

    Please listen to Mike Horton on Moralistic Therapeutic Deism to understand that it is not Christianity.

  • Amanda

    Theresa

    What bible are you reading? Acts 10:9 onwards speaks about Peter’s vision and if you go study it in the originallanguage it would mean trance.

    The Bible [ESV] says:

    The next day, as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the housetop about the sixth hour to pray. And he became hungry and wanted something to eat, but while they were preparing it, he fell into a trance and saw the heavens opened and something like a great sheet descending, being let down by its four corners upon the earth.
    (Act 10:9-11)

    Peter went up to pray. The Lord Himself taught Peter to pray:

    And he said to them, “When you pray, say: “Father, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come. (Luk 11:2)

    You can listen to Leon’s sermon here and hear for yourself the steps he teaches the young people to take to invoke a trance and even to see God’s face.

    The old Testament is filled with the prophets who got VISIONS and DREAMS!! let alone the fact that God’s word (which you so eloquently quote, but then so did satan)…states very clearly “Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
    Joe 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit. ” what is there not to understand?

    The Apostle Peter said that that prophecy was fulfilled on the day of Pentacost:

    But Peter, standing with the eleven, lifted up his voice and addressed them, “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and give ear to my words. For these men are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day. But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel: “‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams; even on my male servants and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy. (Act 2:14-18)

    Nowhere does the Bible teach Christians to induce trances like Leon is doing.

  • Theresa

    DTW, you have no fear of the Lord! You show no respect to anyone with an opinion other that yours. All you do is quote scripture which I assume you copy and paste from somewhere. You do not know either of one us, yet you have chosen to judge and operate by assumption. The young man Rudi had responded to you with a Spirit of meekness and humility and yet even that you do not respect! I do not care how many times you quote scripture, but you are NOT SPIRIT LED! if anything you are purposely being used as a vessel by the enemy himself,who by the way quotes scripture as well, to bring about division and strife amongst the Body of Christ. Your purpose is not to bring correction but judgement and condemnation. You warn everyone against every ministry, is that so that they will all flock to your online wanna bee pulpit!
    In several of your comments you have mentioned that people like Angus Buchan and his like, hype people up with music first. Surely being as knwoledgeable as you are you would know it is called PRAISE AND WORSHIP!!! why don’t you go and try it, God might actually show up and surprise you. Somewhere in one of your blogs you also again attacked Benny Hinn and Rodney Howard Browne and the laughing..you actualy said that you do not find laughing anywhere in the Bible! Seriously if you going to comment on topics that you clearly don’t research but rather just google, then maybe it is because you didn’t spell laughter right that you couldn’t find it! You seem to have very much the same doctrine/opinion as a group on FB called Prepare for War, I see much of the same,if not word for word, comments on certain people..so not sure if you copying them or they copying you or you just have your own little cult going!
    As for the comment on rebuking the devil and the fact that once again Jesus never rebuked the devil but quoted the word, well maybe that is because Jesus is the Word, however the 3rd time Jesus did say ” Get thee behind me satan”- that is a rebuke. Maybe you should google the word ‘rebuke’ to see what it actually means. You also claim that nowhere does Jesus tell us to rebuke the devil, well Jesus said that He gave me authority over the powers of darkness. He also said that whatsoever I bind on earth will be bound in heaven. Jesus Himself has given me His authority to cast out demons, to heal the sick and to set the captives free. Well seeing as you are so familiar with the copy and paste technique of preaching/teaching – I thought I could save you some time and did teh research for you:-

    WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO REBUKE?

    “The Greek word for “rebuke” is epitimao. Oddly enough, the word literally means to “put honor upon something” (epi means upon; timao means honor). However, we’re not so much concerned with its literal meaning as we are with how the word is used in Scripture.

    The word appears quite often in the Gospels. Jesus rebuked the winds; Jesus rebuked the unclean spirits from talking; Jesus rebuked an illness; Jesus rebuked people from exposing His identity; Jesus told us to rebuke our brother when he trespasses against us; the disciples tried to rebuke mothers from bringing their children to Jesus; the Pharisees tried to rebuke people from openly praising Him; Jesus rebuked Peter after Peter tried to rebuke Him for explaining His death, burial and resurrection; and finally, Michael the archangel demonstrated that God would rebuke Satan.

    The word for rebuke does not mean to “criticize” or “condemn.” From its consistent use in Scripture, it obviously means to prohibit. The word seems to imply a recognition of the rebuker’s authority on the part of the person (or thing) being rebuked, much like an officer issuing orders in the military. Based on its use in Scripture, we would define the word epitimao as: the issuance of a direct order, by a person imbued with authority, for the cessation of a specific action, with the immediate expectation of complete and total obedience to the order.
    In other words, rebuke is a command to immediately stop doing something.”

    In light of the above definition, We as do have the right to stop/rebuke/prohibit the devil. The same Spirit that lives in Jesus lives in me and therefore whatever Jesus did, I can and will do as well!
    You attack Leon for his comment on saving souls, well again the word of God says “He who wins ‘saves’ souls is wise”. You attack Leon’s ministry by telling him that he could never be of any proffesional help to anyone because he is so insulting!!! My word, do you sleep write? Because clearly you are not aware of the way you insult people! But hey, we can do this for the next 20yrs and just like Bruno, Leon and Rudi, I too have better things to do for the Kingdom than cast my pearls before swine! I have orphans to feed, abused and raped woman to counsel and generally just show the love of Jesus to the lost! Pray you have a great evening googling some more people..Google my name, you might find some trash on me too that you could put on your blog! Oh, and when you down in Durban, do look me up, I always love to kick devil butt! but I doubt very much if the spirit which leads you is actually up to the challenge with the Spirit that leads me.
    In the words of my Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ: “Get thee behind me satan!”

  • Elmarie A

    Theresa

    You know I was going to answer you but on second thoughts decided not to. You go run along now and serve your gods like those you mention you “have known personally, been taught and mentored by.”

    You have so many Biblical errors in your comment it will take me almost years to answer and correct you through Scripture.
    To attempt to show you on errors from scripture would be a waste of my time as your faith and religion prefers experiential to the Truth and mysticism or spiritism and whatever other ISM there could be to the Word.

    It is your faith that you seem to support likes of :

    Joel Osteen who advocates you stop praying. http://www.mikeadkins.com/article/joel-osteen-christless-christianity-whi-2of4/

    or Rodney Howard-brown prefers you to experience bubbles from your stomach rather than prayer. http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/quotes.html

    William Branam how says the Trinity is from Satan. http://www.letusreason.org/Latrain4.htm

    Benny Hinn dead people must be placed in front of the Tv to to await to be raised.http://www.letusreason.org/Pent28.htm and also http://biblelight.net/Hinn-Dead-Raised.htm

    Is Kim Clement a New Age Prophet? http://www.letusreason.org/Popteac14.htm and also The seed of Faith that made BIG MONEY – The Story and legacy of Oral Roberts http://www.letusreason.org/Popteach47.htm

    Randy Clark Tracing the Trail of the Revival Laughter/Toronto/ Pensacola/_____ /_____? http://www.letusreason.org/Pent30.htm

    Note that these links above are web sites world wide who also expose these FALSE AND DEMONIC TEACHINGS.

    Jesus Himself said these words and note (verse 40 starts with He and that is God Himself.)

    John 12:39-41 (Amplified Bible)

    39Therefore they could not believe [they were unable to believe]. For Isaiah has also said,

    40He has blinded their eyes and hardened and benumbed their [callous, degenerated] hearts [He has made their minds dull], to keep them from seeing with their eyes and understanding with their hearts and minds and repenting and turning to Me to heal them.

    41Isaiah said this because he saw His glory and spoke of Him.(A)

  • Amanda

    Theresa

    Are you the fruit of Leon’s ministry?

    You stupid stiff necked uncircumsiced Phillistine!!!!

  • Elmarie A

    Theresa

    I thought I could save you some time and did teh research for you:-

    your research attempts was fruitless sorry cannot trust you!!! you are here for no reason other than talking Gibberish!!

    Please run along and go…. you are waisting our time. You cannot spread your FALSE BELIEVES!!! on this blog rather go and read and study your Bible.

  • Elmarie A

    Theresa

    .Google my name, you might find some trash on me too that you could put on your blog! Oh, and when you down in Durban, do look me up, I always love to kick devil butt! but I doubt very much if the spirit which leads you is actually up to the challenge with the Spirit that leads me.

    You betcha!!! the spirit that is leading you is demonic.
    Naah Theresa we won’t bother to look you up we are not interested. Thank for the invite but we are rejecting it. Insulting people like you are not good company. Your fruits are rotten.

  • Amanda

    I do not care how many times you quote scripture, but you are NOT SPIRIT LED! if anything you are purposely being used as a vessel by the enemy himself,who by the way quotes scripture as well, to bring about division and strife amongst the Body of Christ.

    The Bible says:

    Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work. (2Ti 3:12-17)

    The Bible says:

    I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. (Rom 16:17-18)

    Leon is free to preach his gospel of a treasure deep inside of us, but if he calls that and the frantic drive to experience visions and dreams and trances Christianity, then Christians will point out that it is not.

    Rudi, both Leon and Theresa contradict what the Bible teaches. Who are you going to follow? Don’t be overly impressed with their ‘good works’. After all, it is like filthy rags.

    And to the one who does not work but trusts him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,
    (Rom 4:5)

    But whatever gain I had, I counted as loss for the sake of Christ. Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith– (Phi 3:7-9)

    Here is Chris Rosebrough’s answer when he as accused of not doing any good works:

    Instead, I want to focus on your presuppositions and the fact that you have a definition of ‘good works’ that excludes works done in one’s vocation as a good works. This is a fatal deficiency in your definition of good works.

    God and God alone is the one who decides what a good work is and God has laid out a much different and far broader definition of ‘good works’ in scripture than the definition that you currently hold.

    Let me give a few passages of scripture that bear this out.

    1Th. 4:9 Now concerning brotherly love you have no need for anyone to write to you, for you yourselves have been taught by God to love one another, 10 for that indeed is what you are doing to all the brothers throughout Macedonia. But we urge you, brothers, to do this more and more, 11 and to aspire to live quietly, and to mind your own affairs, and to work with your hands, as we instructed you, 12 so that you may walk properly before outsiders and be dependent on no one.

    Notice that God the Holy Spirit inspired Paul to urge people to “work with their hands” and “be dependent on no one”. Therefore, if you and I have jobs and are working productively and paying our bills then WE ARE doing good works.

    This next section of scripture lays out all kinds of ‘good works’.

    Eph. 6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. 2 “Honor your father and mother” (this is the first commandment with a promise), 3 “that it may go well with you and that you may live long in the land.” 4 Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.

    Eph. 6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ, 6 not by the way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but as servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart, 7 rendering service with a good will as to the Lord and not to man, 8 knowing that whatever good anyone does, this he will receive back from the Lord, whether he is a slave or free. 9 Masters, do the same to them, and stop your threatening, knowing that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and that there is no partiality with him.

    Let me summarize these passages by saying that being an obedient respectful child is a good work.

    Being a good father is a good work.

    Being a good employee (slave) and working as unto the Lord is a good work.

    Being a good employer (master) is a good work.

    I could list many more passages of scripture that say that being a good mom is a good work, being a good wife is a good work, being a good husband is a good work… etc. Are you getting the picture?

    The second commandment tells us to love and serve our neighbor. I serve my neighbor by serving my wife by being a good husband, by serving my children by being a good father, by serving my customers through the services Vendtegrity offers, by providing jobs for my employees through Vendtegrity, oh and from time to time I even have the privilege of serving my neighbor by teaching the word of God.

    NS, I don’t have ‘vicarious’ good works. My life is filled with a bountiful harvest of good works and I am always looking for greater ways to serve my neighbors through the gifts and provisions that God has given because I am never satisfied with the good works I am doing and want to do even more. The joy that this brings to my life cannot be measured. I am truly a blessed man.

    I think it is truly sad that your definition of Good Works causes you to miss what Good Works truly are. If you better understood the Biblical definition of Good Works you would have never said of me that “it is highly unlikely that your lifestyle’s pace permits you to actively engage in any form of works.”

    In fact, the litany of things that I do, that you listed off as evidence against me are actually the very fruits and good works that God is producing in my life.

    Rudi, you have some serious thinking to do. Please “compare what is said in the name of God to the Word of God”.

  • Elmarie A

    Theresa

    WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO REBUKE?

    Your authority you take upon yourself to like you put it “I always love to kick devil butt!” There is no biblical basis for such a belief.

    We just have to make some corrections here as you are misleading thousands of people. Here is a Biblical lesson for you then. Some very important Biblical points to ponder on Theresa/Leon/Bruno/Rudi. You see you people are actually wanting to do Gods work for Him and that is a sin. We Cannot take Gods work from His hands, you then therefore declaring yourselves to be on the same level as God?

    “Do Christians have the authority to rebuke the devil?”

    Answer: There are some Christians who believe they not only have the authority to rebuke the devil, but they believe they must be about the business of rebuking him continually. There is no biblical basis for such a belief. It must be remembered that Satan, unlike God, is not omnipresent. He can only be in one place at a time, and the likelihood of his personally harassing individual Christians is miniscule. Of course, he has legions of demons who do his bidding, and they are everywhere seeking to destroy believers’ testimonies. It should be noted here that the Christian cannot be possessed by a demon, in the same way people in the Bible are described as being possessed.

    As Christians, we need to be aware of the reality of the presence of evil. As we struggle to stand firm in our faith, we must realize that the enemies we are up against are not merely human ideas, but real forces that come from the powers of darkness. The Bible says, “For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places” Ephesians 6:12, NAS).

    Clearly, God has allowed Satan significant amounts of power and influence over the earth, at least for the time being, and always within God’s sovereign control. The Bible tells us that he prowls around like a lion in search of prey, looking for victims to devour (1 Peter 5:8). Satan is the power at work in the hearts of those who refuse to obey God (Ephesians 2:2). Anyone who is not under the control of the sovereign God is under the control of the devil (Acts 26:18; 2 Corinthians 4:4). Born-again Christians are no longer enslaved to Satan or to sin (Romans 6:6-7), but this does not mean we are immune to the temptations that he puts before us.

    The Bible does not give Christians the authority to rebuke the Devil, but to resist him. James 4:7 (NLT) says to “submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.” Zechariah 3:2 tells us that it is the Lord who rebukes Satan. Even Michael, one of the most powerful of the angels, did not dare to accuse Satan, but rather said, “The Lord rebuke you” (Jude 1:9). In response to Satan’s attacks, a Christian should hide under the covering of Christ.

    Instead of focusing on defeating the devil, we should focus on following Christ (Hebrews 12:2) and trust that He will defeat the forces of evil.

    It is not necessary for a Christian to rebuke Satan because God has given us His full armor to stand against evil (see Ephesians 6:10-18). The most effective weapons we have against the devil are our faith, wisdom, and knowledge about God and His Word. Even Christ, when tempted by Satan, did not rebuke him but answered him with Scripture (see Matthew 4:1-11). To gain victory in spiritual matters, we must maintain a clear conscience and have control over our thoughts. “For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ” (2 Corinthians 10:3-5).
    http://www.gotquestions.org/authority-rebuke-devil.html

  • Elmarie A

    2 Peter 2:17-21 (New International Version)

    17These men are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. 18For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. 19They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him. 20If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.

  • Theresa

    you know every time some one calls you up to a confrontation you refuse your facourite word is NAAAAAA! every noticed it..and know I am not teh fruit of Leons’ministry, was saved long before I met Leon, but you are right I will run along cos I do have better things to do!

  • Burning Lamp

    Obviously the deluding spirits are having a heyday with Theresa – I was once the prey of false teachers, but the Lord opened my eyes. I do hope that she will allow Him to do that with her also.

  • Elmarie A

    Theresa

    you know every time some one calls you up to a confrontation you refuse your facourite word is NAAAAAA!

    Naaa I ignore people who confront me too if their arguments are futile.

  • Elmarie A

    Burning Lamp

    Obviously the deluding spirits are having a heyday with Theresa – I was once the prey of false teachers, but the Lord opened my eyes. I do hope that she will allow Him to do that with her also.

    Yes I share your thoughts too. And weren’t we all there Burning Lamp. And a big Amen for the Lord opening up our eyes!! We can only Pray for her.

  • Amanda

    Pastor Leon du Preez:

    That’s where your victory lies. And I will keep preaching that. That is my whole subject wherever I preach all over South Africa. I say that, listen here, God wants to call us to an intimate relationship and that’s where restoration lies … I said to them, if you have the Holy Spirit inside of you, you have everything that you will ever need locked up inside of you. Every treasure, every victory, everything, even your future is locked up inside of you. Everything is inside of us, but yet we come to this place as Christians where we, sometimes we run from one place to another place to another place, where I can just go into my room and I can spend time with God and by applying that, God brings me through and He brings deliverance and I build a relationship with Him. That is Christianity. Christianity is not a religion. It is a relationship. …I am just going to throw you guys a little bit of experience stuff. You can’t really find this in Scripture. You can if you really look deep, but there is three levels of prayer. … [Third level] God comes with visions and you will see angels and you hear God speak to you audibly. It is at this third level where, you spend time there, literally, you can walk into a room and you can change people’s lives. You can walk into a room by just, by virtue of the presence of God that is around you, demons will manifest in their lives. [Amanda: I am sure he misspoke.] That’s when you get into the third level.

  • Elmarie A

    Amanda

    Pastor Leon du Preez:says

    I am just going to throw you guys a little bit of experience stuff. You can’t really find this in Scripture.

    Of course it wont be found in the Scripture he is preaching his own nonsense not what is in the Bible!

    This makes me think on these Scriptures.

    Leviticus 20:27 (New International Version)
    27 ” ‘A man or woman who is a medium or spiritist among you must be put to death. You are to stone them; their blood will be on their own heads.’ ”

    Jeremiah 14:14
    Then the LORD said to me, “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.

    Ezekiel 13:9
    My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of the house of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign LORD.

    2 Peter 2:1
    [ False Teachers and Their Destruction ] But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.

  • Elmarie A

    BEWITCHED!

    “The Evil Eye over Evangelicalism”

    The Occultization of Evangelicalism

    Over the last generation, a similar spell appears to have overtaken evangelicalism, something that has not gone unnoticed by those without the movement. In their opinion, evangelicalism has been “occultized.” In a book titled Occult America, Mitch Horowitz,** a spokesman for the occult and esoteric ideas, notes that New Age religion possesses “a core set of beliefs and a definable point of view.” He then enumerates these beliefs as follows:

    1. Belief in the therapeutic value of spiritual or religious ideas.
    2. Belief in a mind-body connection in health.
    3. Belief that human consciousness is evolving to higher stages.
    4. Belief that thoughts, in some greater or lesser measure,
    5. determine reality.
    6. Belief that spiritual understanding is available without
    7. allegiance to a specific religion or doctrine.
    Read on further here:
    http://herescope.blogspot.com/2010/03/bewitched.html

  • Amanda

    Pastor Leon du Preez’s testimony:

    As he spoke, I realized that the words that came out of his mouth had power. I had experienced encounters from the spiritual realm when I was younger, but never before had I experienced the power that was coming out of him. I was arrested in my seat and there was no way that I could deny anything that he was saying. All of a sudden I heard the following words bubbling out of my mouth: “Please, pray for me, I want my life to change”. As he laid his hands on me and I prayed a prayer of salvation, I felt that same power fall on me, a power that wiped away every single sin that I had ever committed, a power that contradicted every feeling of hurt and rejection that had been with me for years, a power that gave me the identity that I was looking for all along. I remember it as though it happened just yesterday. It felt like ice, electricity and fire, all at the same time! I still sat down and asked him what had just happened to me, what it was that I felt? He said to me: “It is the power of God, it is the Holy Spirit”. From that night on, my life changed forever! In an instant, I was completely set free from alcohol abuse, drug abuse, rejection, suicide and a life of darkness and hopelessness. All of a sudden, I left that place with a purpose. I left that house knowing that God is real and that He has a destiny for me. That was the first night where someone could show me the true power of God, and it was the first night in my life where I experienced the manifest presence of God embracing me as if I was clean, forgiven and His child, regardless of my past!

    And now, it seems to me, Leon uses the Bible as a guide book on how to “experience the manifest presence of God”. Be careful with what you try and convert unbelievers with, because that is what you convert them to and unless it is faith in Jesus Christ to save them from the wrath of God, it is not Christian.

  • Amanda

    Theresa

    Before you go, I have a question for you. You have made your feelings perfectly clear. Would you agree that the Christianity that you hold to is a totally different Christianity to the one that I hold to? Do you agree that we could not possibly be sisters in Christ since you see me as a devil and has cursed and possibly bound me? Would that be a fair assessment?

  • Elmarie A

    Maybe They all have to read this book lol lol

    Very Close Look At The
    “God Chasers”
    written by Rev. Bob Liichow
    Taken from Truth Matters Newsletter

    Charismatic believers in general have always been seeking the next “move” of the Spirit or a higher “level” in God because their current practices and experiences do not satisfy their souls. This spiritual ennui is now transpiring as the Toronto/Pensacola phenomena is winding down. Various leaders have been sticking their spiritual fingers in the air seeing which way the wind of the Spirit is now blowing. I believe that Tenney’s book about striving to manifest a mystical presence and experience a non-biblical pseudo-intimacy with God is part of the “next move.”
    Tenney is on the cover of the March Charisma magazine, which automatically gives his book global exposure and carries the charismatic imprimatur. He has already been making the “revival rounds.” The Toronto web site has pictures of him teaching at TACF (http:// http://www.tacf.org). There are now a myriad of web sites pushing his book and threads of God Chasers sharing their experiences.
    Tenney has no obvious love or even deep appreciation for the Bible, this is apparent from his many snide comments regarding Scripture. He comes from a cultic background, which he has never formally renounced and he is promoting experiences which God has never promised to grant His people.
    Tenney also is making a ton of money off his “God Chasers Network.” Like the Promise Keepers before him, Tenney is selling God Chaser license plates, other books, t-shirts, mugs, etc…I am not opposed to anyone selling a product they have produced. But it seems that an entire industry sprang up “overnight” regarding this latest craze. When this too peters out, and it will, Mr. Tenney will be left quite a bit richer and a great deal more deceived.
    The growing popularity of his book is further proof that many of God’s people lack a solid biblical foundation in their lives. This lack of doctrinal understanding has left them open to spiritual deception.
    http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/GodChasers.htm

  • Elmarie A

    Walk don’t Run

    It has been a few years since Tommy Tenney became famous overnight from the story of a zap that split a Plexiglas pulpit (it is presumed it was a bolt of lightning). This occurred during the revival meetings that were being held at 3,000-member charismatic church, Christian Tabernacle in Houston.

    Tenney teaches, “We need to learn how to entertain and welcome the manifest presence of God to such a degree that just the residue of what has gone on among us brings sinners to the point of conviction and conversion instantaneously. I am hungry for that kind of expression of revival …” (ibid., p. 46).

    A residue of His presence is all that is needed to bring sinners to conversion instantaneously! No Word, no witnessing, no explaining. Is this where we are supposed to be headed?

    http://www.letusreason.org/Poptea10.htm

  • Elmarie A

    Benny Hinn – A “New” Dark “Anointing”

    Not be be outdone by his wife, Benny Hinn has recently been seen growling in a weird voice, laying curses on Christians who disagree with him (this is nothing new), knocking children down with “slain in the spirit” while yelling things like “Fire” and “Execute him”, and prophesying over Paul Crouch with what I can only describe as a papal air. The new “pope” of Charismania, Benny Hinn, is making sure to have all the leaders of the Third Wave on his interview style program these days such as Kenneth Copeland, Rod Parsley, Joyce Meyers and Rodney Howard-Browne. This is so we and they will be sure to understand that it is really Hinn who is the apostolic father with the greatest amount of the “anointing”. What’s next? Crouch and Copeland kissing his ring or feet? I guess since he knocked Paul on his backside, when in an earlier “Praise The Lord” show Crouch had made fun of people who fall backwards needing catchers (interestingly Paul needed one) Paul was right down there next to Hinn’s big toe and should have kissed it while he is there.

    We now have these reports streaming in from viewers of the “new” (is anything these people do “new” or even interesting) Benny Hinn “anointing”.
    http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/hinndark.html

  • Elmarie A

    Thank you Amanda!!

    Scripture tells us that we have to heed to people whom will not understand His Word and will distort and twist the Scripture.

    2 Peter 3:8-18 (Amplified Bible)

    8 Nevertheless, do not let this one fact escape you, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.(A)

    9 The Lord does not delay and is not tardy or slow about what He promises, according to some people’s conception of slowness, but He is long-suffering (extraordinarily patient) toward you, not desiring that any should perish, but that all should turn to repentance.

    10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will vanish (pass away) with a thunderous crash, and the [[a]material] elements [of the universe] will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.

    11 Since all these things are thus [b]in the process of being dissolved, what kind of person ought [each of] you to be [in the meanwhile] in consecrated and holy behavior and devout and godly qualities,

    12 While you wait and earnestly long for (expect and hasten) the coming of the day of God by reason of which the flaming heavens will be dissolved, and the [[c]material] elements [of the universe] will flare and melt with fire?(B)

    13 But we look for new heavens and a new earth according to His promise, in which righteousness (uprightness, freedom from sin, and right standing with God) is to abide.(C)

    14 So, beloved, since you are expecting these things, be eager to be found by Him [at His coming] without spot or blemish and at peace [in serene confidence, [d]free from fears and agitating passions and moral conflicts].

    15 And consider that the long-suffering of our Lord [[e]His slowness in avenging wrongs and judging the world] is salvation ([f]that which is conducive to the soul’s safety), even as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the spiritual insight given him,

    16 Speaking of this as he does in all of his letters. There are some things in those [epistles of Paul] that are difficult to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist and misconstrue to their own [g]utter destruction, just as [they distort and misinterpret] the rest of the Scriptures.

    17 Let me warn you therefore, beloved, that knowing these things beforehand, you should be on your guard, lest you be carried away by the error of lawless and wicked [persons and] fall from your own [present] firm condition [your own steadfastness of mind].

    18 But grow in grace (undeserved favor, spiritual strength) and [h]recognition and knowledge and understanding of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (the Messiah). To Him [be] glory (honor, majesty, and splendor) both now and to the day of eternity. Amen (so be it)!

    and further we have no fear of these False prophets and preacher as the Word then tells us.

    Isaiah 41:10 (Amplified Bible)

    10 Fear not [there is nothing to fear], for I am with you; do not look around you in terror and be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen and harden you to difficulties, yes, I will help you; yes, I will hold you up and retain you with My [victorious] right hand of rightness and justice.(A)

    Amen!!

  • Elmarie A

    Agh Benny Hinn you are a chop.

    Archived from NEWS+VIEWS page JULY 14, 2009 ———–

    Benny Hinn lost $2M in Uganda

    PASTOR Benny Hinn lost $2m on his recent visit to Uganda and two other African countries. Speaking on Light House Television, the international evangelist and author said: “Most people are poor in Africa and it affected the recent crusades.” Hinn said it was difficult to hold the three crusades in Africa. He added that each of the three crusades in Africa was estimated at $1m (sh2.1b) “but these funds could not easily be received.” He only managed to raise $1m from the three crusades. Hinn said that as much as some people may not want to hear him talk about money, “it is important to have money to do God’s work.” He, however, pledged to continue with the healing crusades. “It is impossible to run all the activities of this conference, without charging fees, ” Kayanja defended the charges on the eve of the crusade. “These days it is very hard to get free things. The cost of living is high and we cannot avoid incurring costs.”

    ***WATCHMAN…Hmmmmmm….what about this verse MR HINN… MATTHEW 10:8… Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

    ***When you spend expecting to get that is WORLDLY…
    Read more here:

  • Theresa

    To Amanda,
    You are quite right, I do not agree with you and that the doctrine that you and I share on Chritianity is not the same. I have not cursed you or bound you, I have however told you that you are defiantely not spirit led – you go and do with that exactly what you want and you can go and extract from it and place your perverted views about it wherever you want. I know who I am in Christ Jesus, I know that the same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead lives in me and therefore I do believe I am given all authority and power to cast out demons, to lay hands on the sick and to raise the dead (all of these have been fruits of my ministry). I do not and can not believe that you and I are sisters in Christ, for I believe in a Christ that sets people free.On none of your topics have I seen any evidence of the love of Jesus, if anything you refute the work of the Holy SPirit in and through people. You do nothing but to slander,mock and insult ministries that are not of the same opinion as you and your side kicks. You do not have a teachable spirit and by virtue of the fact that you would dare assume that God, Abba Father, can not and for some reason only known to you and your group, appear to people in dreams and visions to bring them to a place of conversion leads me to believe that you box God in to what He can do.Instead of praising God for the converts, if God could speak through a donkey, He can speak to peole in dreams, you mock their testimony and say a ‘False Jesus’ has appeared to them. Do you actually want to see the harvest brought in? It surely doesn;t look like it. You do nothing but judge people for what they do and when they bring correction to you and your group. I have no idea who your overseer is or even if you have one, you and the rest of the admin have also avoided that question on several occassions. So yes before I go, you and I are certainly NOT sisters in Christ, because I believe in the living Christ, who is the same yesterday, today and forever, who died for every single person. And you know, even if all these pastors/ministries, which seems to be every single one on the planet, are so terribly wrong, then rather pray for them than insult them, but at the end of the day if through their ministry one soul can call out and say ” JESUS” shouldn’t that be all that matters. Let God be the judge of the leaders. We are supposse to correct each other in love and with tenderness, but you just attack and condemn. Have you gone the biblical route of actually first speaking to these pastors about the error of their doctrine, and then if they didn’t listen did you thentake elders to speak to them and then only do you make their error public? Have you done that, seeing that you are so bent on doing everything biblically? That log in your eye must really be starting to weigh you down! Don’t bother to comment as I won’t be back…
    Oh and by the way, you can go and tell the whole world via the internet or any other method, that I cursed you and bound you as you put it! Do whatever you feel led to do,because at the end of the day God is not mocked!

    The only good thing I have to say about your website it that it prooves to me that we are living in the ends times and I take great joy in the return of Jesus!

    Tit 3:10 Have nothing to do with a person who causes divisions after you have warned him once or twice.
    Tit 3:11 For you know that a person like this is corrupt and keeps on sinning, being self-condemned.

  • Elmarie A

    Theresa
    June 16th, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    you know every time some one calls you up to a confrontation you refuse your facourite word is NAAAAAA! every noticed it..and know I am not teh fruit of Leons’ministry, was saved long before I met Leon, but you are right I will run along cos I do have better things to do!

    Now what has changed your mind to come back to this blog?? Go and do your better things whatever it is that you wanna do!!

    We are really soooooooo tired of your silly comments and your ways you are twisting The Scripture.

    About your Scripture Tit 3:10-11 it is so used out of context and you can go find that out for yourself or ask your overseers. This is a Discernment blog that will show out every possible False teaching and Apostasy there is to see for the whole world and will not stop doing this.

    You have said twice now you will not come back to this blog.
    The first time you said :”but you are right I will run along cos I do have better things to do!”
    and the second time you said: “So yes before I go”.
    Before you change your mind again please go read every article and comment written on this blog. As it seems you have no idea what this blog is about. You also don’t seem to know what the meaning of Discernment is. Why? because the false prophets and false churches you support will never teach you this. In fact I don’t even think you know there are false Prophets, false teachers and false churches.

  • Elmarie A

    Theresa

    You seem to have very much the same doctrine/opinion as a group on FB called Prepare for War, I see much of the same,if not word for word, comments on certain people..so not sure if you copying them or they copying you or you just have your own little cult going!

    This blog does not follow any doctrine but THE WRITTEN SCRIPTURE known as THE WORD OF GOD.

    About word for word comments on a facebook page on certain people?? Theresa stop telling lies please.

    In fact here is an excerpt from that facebook page info:
    This would be the page to join if you’re already set in your religion and willing to learn, give up and let go. And then declare war against Satan and his demons.

    Oops Theresa do you see what I see? They declare war against Satan and his demons AND that is excactly what you claim to do by having said: “I always love to kick devil butt!” and you also said “Get thee behind me satan!”

    another exerpt form this face bookpage: Demons will be bound on this page and banned. Please respect that we are children of the King, Jesus Christ, and are here to equip each other and pray together, against Satan and his demons, in the name of the Lord! http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/Prepare4War?v=info&ref=search

    Oops Theresa and lookie here what your favorite teacher Benny Hinn says : “This is why angels to this day cannot rebuke Satan. Jude says, even Michael will not bring an accusation against the devil. Why? Because angels are lower today than Satan who holds the office of Adam. But we, as joint heirs with Christ in heavenly places, are higher than Adam [background voice says, “and angels and angels.”] “So, today, angels cannot rebuke Satan, but we can, because we are on the same level as the Son on earth.” “We’re not God, we’re the children of God. We’re god-like in our Spirit man, not in our flesh. Thank God, our flesh will die and we are gonna have a new body. The Bible says, when we shall see Him our bodies shall be like Him, but our spirit man is already like Him.” http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/hinncult.html

    And I say again you run along and worship your gods en cult like people and carry on to try and raise people from the dead.

  • Elmarie A

    Scripture quoted at bottom of page who? is copying and doing so word for word

  • Bruno

    What you consider to be “defending” the Church from false prophets, many fruitful christians – disciples call this Criticism. The following quote is from MR Chambers whose life speak more than yours and mine. Maybe this will make you think about your attitude and your fruits. ”

    Criticism serves to make you harsh, vindictive, and cruel, and leaves you with the soothing and flattering idea that you are somehow superior to others – you must constantly beware of anything that causes you to think of yourself as a superior person.” O. Chambers

  • Amanda

    Theresa

    You have said harsh things about me and you have known me less than a week. People who really know me can add a lot more to your list, let alone God who will judge not only every word and deed, but also every thought. I know that I have broken God’s Law all my life, but accuse me of breaking a single one today and I will self-righteously argue my case why that is not so.

    You said:

    May you reap 1000 times what you sow and may God allow you to be treated with the same mercy and grace that you show others.

    You are correct. That is exactly what God should do.

  • Amanda

    Bruno

    Jesus Christ said:

    “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will recognize them by their fruits. “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ “Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it.” And when Jesus finished these sayings, the crowds were astonished at his teaching, for he was teaching them as one who had authority, and not as their scribes. (Mat 7:15-29)

    Paul did not think that we should put up with someone proclaiming another Jesus or a different spirit or a different gospel:

    I wish you would bear with me in a little foolishness. Do bear with me! I feel a divine jealousy for you, for I betrothed you to one husband, to present you as a pure virgin to Christ. But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough. (2Co 11:1-4)

    Bruno, there is no hidden treasure deep inside of us. Leon is lying to you.

  • Elmarie A

    Bruno said the following :

    June 10th, 2010 at 11:00 am :”I will not waste my time any longer”

    June 14th, 2010 at 2:57 pm :ah ah ah ah ah ah.Blessings.

    June 14th, 2010 at 10:10 pm: I will not WASTE my time with your bunch

    Why are you back Bruno you have given nothing but insults on this blog since your first comment in your weak attempt to defend Leon.

    Bruno
    June 9th, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    Well.. You spend your time to criticize everything on everyone.. Whoah.. Well done.. you are so strong; you have so much discernment.. you have so much class.. you are…. pfff… what do you do otherwise in life?? Do you do something that builds people up..

    Bruno
    June 10th, 2010 at 11:00 am

    to Elmarie… Woah I am impressed.. you can quote the Bible… Hum… God bless you.. I will not waste my time any longer… eish… you are quite something… ciao…

    Bruno
    June 14th, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    Elmarie, Grant and Alan…

    Your ministry is a ministry of death.. The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

    But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious…how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? (2 Corinthians 3:6-8)

    These verses contain another contrasting choice that results in people either living by bankrupt human resources, or by bountiful heavenly ones. This contrast is “the ministry of death versus the ministry of life.” These terms come from correlating four phrases: “the letter kills…the Spirit gives life…the ministry of death…the ministry of the Spirit.” Of course, the old covenant of law is the “ministry of death,” and the new covenant of grace is the “ministry of life” (“ministry of the Spirit…the Spirit gives life”).

    You don’t not know me and you think you and your friend can label me or other people because you can write something. YOU DO NOT MANIFEST THE CHARACTER OF CHRIST….

    You have a critical spirit… You condemn the person as well as the perceived action (Prov 12:18) You focus on the fault ACCORDING to your perception or interpretation of the Bible… Maybe you should examine yourself… Like 6:41… You and your friends spend hours to ridicule others instead of encouraging others (Proverbs 11:12) You make judgement based without knowing the fruits of the person (John 7:24 and Matthew 12:33-37) You simply assume the worst without knowing the person (John 7:51) You tears others down instead of building people up (Eph 4:29).

    Maybe your sense of significance is enhanced when you point out the wrongs of other.. You dare to make people think that you know the Word.. Hey wake up the Word is CHRIST. THE WORD is A PERSON..

    You are right on one thing though… I’d rather read the bible than coming back on this stinking website place..

    I will not WASTE my time with your bunch… You SHOULD REPENT..

    Bruno we are thought in the Word that we will know fellow Christians by the fruits of the spirit. Now lets have a quick BIBLICAL lesson here. Gal 5

    What are Not fruits of the spirit?

    Galatians 5:19-21
    19 Now the doings (practices) of the flesh are clear (obvious): they are immorality, impurity, indecency,

    20 Idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy,anger (ill temper),selfishness , divisions (dissensions), party spirit (factions, sects with peculiar opinions, heresies),

    21 Envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you beforehand, just as I did previously, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

    What are the fruits of the Spirit?

    Galatians 5:22-26
    22But the fruit of the [Holy] Spirit [the work which His presence within accomplishes] is love, joy (gladness), peace, patience (an even temper, forbearance), kindness, goodness (benevolence), faithfulness,

    23Gentleness (meekness, humility), self-control (self-restraint, continence). Against such things there is no law [[f]that can bring a charge].

    24And those who belong to Christ Jesus (the Messiah) have crucified the flesh (the godless human nature) with its passions and appetites and desires.

    25If we live by the [Holy] Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. [If by the Holy Spirit [g]we have our life in God, let us go forward [h]walking in line, our conduct controlled by the Spirit.]

    26Let us not become vainglorious and self-conceited, competitive and challenging and provoking and irritating to one another, envying and being jealous of one another.

    Bruno You need to seriously look at your fruits it is very troublesome the see you claim to be a Christian and your fruits show opposite. Your comments on this blog shows very clearly that you have NO LOVE as we are commanded by the Word of God. We will pray for you Bruno, that is all we can do. My advise to you is make sure that your conversion was not a false one as it is happening all the time in the false churches you support.

    Luke 10:27
    And he replied, You must love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.

    Bruno not you, Theresa or Leon has shown that you obey the most important 2 commandments in the Word of God the verse above Luke 10:27 towards any one on this blog. You take care of yourself now.

  • Elmarie A

    Wise words spoken: excerpt posted.
    Man – The Dwelling Place of God

    by A. W. Tozer

    How to Try the Spirits

    2. The next test is: How has this new experience affected my attitude toward the Lord Jesus Christ? Whatever place present-day religion may give to Christ, God gives Him top place in earth and in heaven. “This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased,” spoke the voice of God from heaven concerning our Lord Jesus. Peter, full of the Holy Spirit, declared: “God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ” (Acts 2:36). Jesus said of Himself, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” Again Peter said of Him, “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved” (Acts 4:12) . The whole book of Hebrews is devoted to the idea that Christ is above all others. He is shown to be above Aaron and Moses, and even the angels are called to fall down and worship Him. Paul says that He is the image of the invisible God, that in Him dwells the fullness of the Godhead bodily and that in all things He must have the preeminence. But time would fail me to tell of the glory accorded Him by prophets, patriarchs, apostles, saints, elders, psalmists, kings and seraphim. He is made unto us wisdom and righteousness and sanctification and redemption. He is our hope, our life, our all and all, now and forevermore.

    All this being true, it is clear that He must stand at the center of all true doctrine, all acceptable practice and all genuine Christian experience. Anything that makes Him less than God has declared Him to be is delusion pure and simple and must be rejected, no matter how delightful or how satisfying it may for the time seem to be.

    Christless Christianity sounds contradictory but it exists as a real phenomenon in our day. Much that is being done in Christ’s name is false to Christ in that it is conceived by the flesh, incorporates fleshly methods, and seeks fleshly ends. Christ is mentioned from time to time in the same way and for the same reason that a self-seeking politician mentions Lincoln and the flag, to provide a sacred front for carnal activities and to deceive the simplehearted listeners. This giveaway is that Christ is not central: He is not all and in all.

    Again, there are psychic experiences that thrill the seeker and lead him to believe that he has indeed met the Lord and been carried to the third heaven; but the true nature of the phenomenon is discovered later when the face of Christ begins to fade from the victim’s consciousness and he comes to depend more and more upon emotional jags as a proof of his spirituality.

    If on the other hand the new experience tends to make Christ indispensable, if it takes our interest off our feeling and places it in Christ, we are on the right track. Whatever makes Christ dear to us is pretty sure to be from God.

    3. Another revealing test of the soundness of religious experience is, How does it affect my attitude toward the Holy Scriptures? Did this new experience, this new view of truth, spring out of the Word of God itself or was it the result of some stimulus that lay outside the Bible? Tender-hearted Christians often become victims of strong psychological pressure applied intentionally or innocently by someone’s personal testimony, or by a colorful story told by a fervent preacher who may speak with prophetic finality but who has not checked his story with the facts nor tested the soundness of his conclusions by the Word of God.

    Whatever originates outside the Scriptures should for that very reason be suspect until it can be shown to be in accord with them. If it should be found to be contrary to the Word of revealed truth no true Christian will accept it as being from God. However high the emotional content, no experience can be proved to be genuine unless we can find chapter and verse authority for it in the Scriptures. “To the word and to the testimony” must always be the last and final proof.

    Whatever is new or singular should also be viewed with a lot of caution until it can furnish scriptural proof of its validity. Over the last half-century quite a number of unscriptural notions have gained acceptance among Christians by claiming that they were among the truths that were to be revealed in the last days. To be sure, say the advocates of this latter-daylight theory, Augustine did not know, Luther did not, John Knox, Wesley, Finney and Spurgeon did not understand this; but greater light has now shined upon God’s people and we of these last days have the advantage of fuller revelation. We should not question the new doctrine nor draw back from this advanced experience. The Lord is getting His Bride ready for the marriage supper of the Lamb. We should all yield to this new movement of the Spirit. So they tell us.

    The truth is that the Bible does not teach that there will be new light and advanced spiritual experiences in the latter days; it teaches the exact opposite. Nothing in Daniel or the New Testament epistles can be tortured into advocating the idea that we of the end of the Christian era shall enjoy light that was not known at its beginning. Beware of any man who claims to be wiser than the apostles or holier than the martyrs of the Early Church. The best way to deal with him is to rise and leave his presence. You cannot help him and he surely cannot help you.

    Granted, however, that the Scriptures may not always be clear and that there are differences of interpretation among equally sincere men, this test will furnish all the proof needed of anything religious, viz., What does it do to my love for and appreciation of the Scriptures?

    While true power lies not in the letter of the text but in the Spirit that inspired it, we should never underestimate the value of the letter. The text of truth has the same relation to truth as the honeycomb has to honey. One serves as a receptacle for the other. But there the analogy ends. The honey can be removed from the comb, but the Spirit of truth cannot and does not operate apart from the letter of the Holy Scriptures.

    For this reason a growing acquaintance with the Holy Spirit will always mean an increasing love for the Bible. The Scriptures are in print what Christ is in person. The inspired Word is like a faithful portrait of Christ. But again the figure breaks down. Christ is in the Bible as no one can be in a mere portrait, for the Bible is a book of holy ideas and the eternal Word of the Father can and does dwell in the thought He has Himself inspired. Thoughts are things, and the thoughts of the Holy Scriptures form a lofty temple for the dwelling place of God.

    From this it follows naturally that a true lover of God will be also a lover of His Word. Anything that comes to us from the God of the Word will deepen our love for the Word of God. This follows logically, but we have confirmation by a witness vastly more trustworthy than logic, viz., the concerted testimony of a great army of witnesses living and dead. These declare with one voice that their love for the Scriptures intensified as their faith mounted and their obedience became consistent and joyous.

    If the new doctrine, the influence of that new teacher, the new emotional experience fills my heart with an avid hunger to meditate in the Scriptures day and night. I have every reason to believe that God has spoken to my soul and that my experience is genuine. Conversely, if my love for the Scriptures has cooled even a little, if my eagerness to eat and drink of the inspired Word has abated by as much as one degree, I should humbly admit that I have missed God’s signal somewhere and frankly backtrack until I find the true way once more.

    7. The last test of the genuineness of Christian experience is what it does to our attitude toward sin.

    The operations of grace within the heart of a believing man will turn that heart away from sin and toward holiness. “For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ” (Tit. 2:11-13) .

    I do not see how it could be plainer. The same grace that saves teaches that saved man inwardly, and its teaching is both negative and positive. Negatively it teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts. Positively it teaches us to live soberly, righteously and godly right in this present world.

    The man of honest heart will find no difficulty here. He has but to check his own bent to discover whether he is concerned about sin in his life more or less since the supposed work of grace was done. Anything that weakens his hatred of sin may be identified immediately as false to the Scriptures, to the Saviour and to his own soul. Whatever makes holiness more attractive and sin more intolerable may be accepted as genuine. “For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee. The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity” (Psa. 5: 4, 5).

    Jesus warned, “There shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they should deceive the very elect.” These words describe our day too well to be coincidental. In the hope that the “elect” may profit by them I have set forth these tests. The result is in the hand of God.

    http://www.worldinvisible.com/library/tozer/5j00.0010/5j00.0010.29.htm

  • Elmarie A

    Benny Hinn how much more apostate do you wanna get oh my word!!! Wel I wonder who will be here first to defend Benny Hinn hmmm lets see………….

    Benny Hinn and Neanderthal Man
    The FACTs in plain sight
    by Bud Press, Director
    Christian Research Service
    June 16, 2010

    The word evolution is defined as, “1. gradual development. 2. development of species from earlier forms, as an explanation of origins” (The Oxford Desk Dictionary and Thesaurus, Oxford University Press, 1997, p. 262).

    According to evolution, Neanderthal man was a part of the “Human Evolution Sequence,” which is said to have evolved from monkeys, arrived in Europe approximately 300,000 years ago, then went extinct approximately 20,000 to 30,000 years ago ( ://tinyurl.com/c4z967 ).

    In short, evolution teaches that monkeys and humans have shared the same family tree, dating back millions of years.

    With that in mind, read what Benny Hinn and Paul Crouch, Jr. discussed during the May 3, 2010 TBN “Praise the Lord” telecast:

    Benny Hinn: There was a race on this earth. They were not created in God’s image and likeness. That’s why no salvation was offered them.

    Paul Crouch, Jr.: Neanderthal? Neanderthal man?

    Benny Hinn: Could be. We don’t know that. I believe, yes. But they were creatures, half-animal/half-man, described in detail in Revelation, we’ll go to in just a second.

    [End of transcript]

    The telecast may be viewed at ://tinyurl.com/34wzkg7 (scroll down to the Monday May 3, 2010 telecast and click on 300k for best viewing. The above discussion begins at 40:09 into the telecast).

    Christianity teaches that man and woman did not evolve from apes, but were created by God. The creation of man (Adam) is found in Genesis 2:7-8:

    Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. The LORD God planted a garden toward the east, in Eden; and there He placed the man whom He had formed.

    The creation of woman (Eve) is found in Genesis 2:21-22:

    So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place. The LORD God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man.

    Some reading this may think, Benny Hinn is just confused or He made a simple mistake. But Benny Hinn claims to have direct communication with the Holy Spirit. If he were serving the real God of the Bible he wouldn’t be a false prophet and false teacher.

    FACT Man did not evolve from apes.

    FACT Evolution is a lie.

    FACT Neanderthal man never existed.

    FACT The Bible refutes evolution and Benny Hinn and Paul Crouch, Jr.

    FACT Benny Hinn needs to be avoided at all costs!

  • Bruno

    Well, it seems that you are on your mission – “I am evil, because you are evil”… See you in heaven…

  • Amanda

    Bruno

    You cannot have it both ways. You cannot call us evil and pretend that we will be in heaven anyway. Jesus Christ said:

    For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. (Mat 5:20)

    But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death. (Rev 21:8)

    Bruno, are you a teacher and yet you do not understand these things? You claim to have back and forth conversations with the Holy Spirit and yet He has not revealed this to you? Jesus Christ said of Him:

    And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment (Joh 16:8)

  • Elmarie A

    Amanda

    The sad thing is Bruno, Theresa and Leon do not understand what we are trying to bring to their hearts. A very very sad situation indeed. May God help those who want to be helped. And the Holy Word says leave them they are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.

    Luke 23:34-35 (Amplified Bible)

    34 And Jesus prayed, Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. And they divided His garments and distributed them by casting lots for them.(A)
    35 Now the people stood by [[a]calmly and leisurely] watching; but the rulers scoffed and sneered ([b]turned up
    their noses) at Him, saying, He rescued others [[c]from death]; let Him now rescue Himself, if He is the Christ (the Messiah) of God, His Chosen One!

    Matthew 15:14
    Leave them; they are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.”

  • Bruno

    Dear Amanda and Elmarie, you judge people because you think you know the Word and thus you think you know the heart. I amazed that you don’t undertand that your perception of me and others is greatly influenced by the the status – quality of your spiritual eyes – the lamp of your body…

    Check what the Master says in Luke 11:33-42

    33 No one after lighting a lamp puts it in a cellar or crypt or under a bushel measure, but on a lampstand, that those who are coming in may see the light.
    34 Your eye is the lamp of your body; when your eye (your conscience) is sound and fulfilling its office, your whole body is full of light; but when it is not sound and is not fulfilling its office, your body is full of darkness.
    35 Be careful, therefore, that the light that is in you is not darkness.
    36 If then your entire body is illuminated, having no part dark, it will be wholly bright [with light], as when a lamp with its bright rays gives you light.
    37 Now while Jesus was speaking, a Pharisee invited Him to take dinner with him, so He entered and reclined at table.
    38 The Pharisee noticed and was astonished [to see] that Jesus did not first wash before dinner.
    39 But the Lord said to him, Now you Pharisees cleanse the outside of the cup and of the plate, but inside you yourselves are full of greed and robbery and extortion and malice and wickedness.
    40 You senseless (foolish, stupid) ones [acting without reflection or intelligence]! Did not He Who made the outside make the inside also?
    41 But [dedicate your inner self and] give as donations to the poor of those things which are within [of inward righteousness] and behold, everything is purified and clean for you.
    42 But woe to you, Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and every [little] herb, but disregard and neglect justice and the love of God. These you ought to have done without leaving the others undone.

    The love of God will give you access to people’s heart and true authority to correct is based on trust and on a pure heart desiring to build up.

    I wrote ““I am evil, because you are evil”… See you in heaven” Knowing that you would respond WITHOUT any understanding… EVIL dos not mean that YOU ARE GOING to HELL… It means that you call me to be something BASED on your distorted view of the Word and the Love and the justice of God…

    As for “See you in heaven” – I deliberately provoke you because I know you think and believe we are going to hell.

    You and your friends, are judging people using the Word of God – I really hope you are perfect and without sin… BECAUSE FOR THE LAST TIME : You are not like the Son of God in your attitude and Words..

    No matter what I will say, you will come on me like a pharisee. I don’t know you so I can not say you are going to hell, I confirm that according to your reaction : you manifest a pharisaical spirit – superior – judging everyone according to
    litteral interpretation of some verses of the Word, without HIS heart… If you truly want to restore people, 1. START to intercede for them. 2 Build relationship with them. 3. When trust is established, share with them what you perceive to be a mistake or a serious error of doctrine. 4. BE sure to walk in the light. 5. Walk a road with that person.

    This being said, thank you for your time… Learn to see people through HIS eyes and you will bring life instead of trying to help with condemnation and judgement and bringing guilt and a spirit of fear on people around you… Because many who are weak and who do not have a strong fellowship with God’s Spirit will be weakened by your attitude. More than your words, people who submit themselves to your teaching will get your spirit.

    In His love,

    Bruno

  • Elmarie A

    Bruno

    Dear Amanda and Elmarie, you judge people because you think you know the Word and thus you think you know the heart.

    Bruno I say again it is not our place to judge or condem anyone. We are not doing what you are accusing us of.

    Consider this: “What does the Bible mean that we are not to judge others?”
    Answer: This is an issue that has confused many people. On one hand, we are commanded by the Lord Jesus, “Do not judge, or you too will be judged” (Matthew 7:1). On the other hand, the Bible also exhorts us to beware of evildoers and false prophets and to avoid those who practice all kinds of evil.

    How are we to discern who these people are if we do not make some kind of judgment about them?

    Christians are often accused of “judging” whenever they speak out against a sinful activity. However, that is not the meaning of the Scripture verses that state, “Do not judge.” There is a righteous kind of judgment we are supposed to exercise—with careful discernment (John 7:24). When Jesus told us not to judge (Matthew 7:1), He was telling us not to judge hypocritically. Matthew 7:2-5 declares, “For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” What Jesus was condemning here was hypocritical, self-righteous judgments of others.

    In Matthew 7:2-5, Jesus warns against judging someone else for his sin when you yourself are sinning even worse. That is the kind of judging Jesus commanded us not to do. If a believer sees another believer sinning, it is his Christian duty to lovingly and respectfully confront the person with his sin (Matthew 18:15-17). This is not judging, but rather pointing out the truth in hope—and with the ultimate goal—of bringing repentance in the other person (James 5:20) and restoration to the fellowship. We are to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15). We are to proclaim what God’s Word says about sin. 2 Timothy 4:2 instructs us, “Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage — with great patience and careful instruction.” We are to “judge” sin, but always with the goal of presenting the solution for sin and its consequences—the Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6).
    http://www.gotquestions.org/do-not-judge.html

  • Elmarie A

    Bruno

    Check what the Master says in Luke 11:33-42

    Thank you I have read what God says in the Scripture.

    Matthew Henry’s Whole Bible Commentary
    Verses 37-54

    Christ here says many of those things to a Pharisee and his guests, in a private conversation at table, which he afterwards said in a public discourse in the temple (Mt. 23); for what he said in public and private was of a piece. He would not say that in a corner which he durst not repeat and stand to in the great congregation; nor would he give those reproofs to any sort of sinners in general which he durst not apply to them in particular as he met with them; for he was, and is, the faithful Witness. Here is,

    I. Christ’s going to dine with a Pharisee that very civilly invited him to his house (v. 37); As he spoke, even while he was speaking, a certain Pharisee interrupted him with a request to him to come and dine with him, to come forthwith, for it was dinner-time. We are willing to hope that the Pharisee was so well pleased with his discourse that he was willing to show him respect, and desirous to have more of his company, and therefore gave him this invitation and bade him truly welcome; and yet we have some cause to suspect that it was with an ill design, to break off his discourse to the people, and to have an opportunity of ensnaring him and getting something out of him which might serve for matter of accusation or reproach, v. 53, 54. We know not the mind of this Pharisee; but, whatever it was, Christ knew it: if he meant ill, he shall know Christ does not fear him; if well, he shall know Christ is willing to do him good: so he went in, and sat down to meat. Note, Christ’s disciples must learn of him to be conversable, and not morose. Though we have need to be cautious what company we keep, yet we need not be rigid, nor must we therefore go out of the world.

    II. The offence which the Pharisee took at Christ, as those of that sort had sometimes done at the disciples of Christ, for not washing before dinner, v. 38. He wondered that a man of his sanctity, a prophet, a man of so much devotion, and such a strict conversation, should sit down to meat, and not first wash his hands, especially being newly come out of a mixed company, and there being in the Pharisee’s dining-room, no doubt, all accommodations set ready for it, so that he need not fear being troublesome; and the Pharisee himself and all his guests, no doubt, washing, so that he could not be singular; what, and yet not wash? What harm had it been if he had washed? Was it not strictly commanded by the canons of their church? It was so, and therefore Christ would not do it, because he would witness against their assuming a power to impose that as a matter of religion which God commanded them not. The ceremonial law consisted in divers washings, but this was none of them, and therefore Christ would not practise it, no not in complaisance to the Pharisee who invited him, nor though he knew that offence would be taken at his omitting it.

    III. The sharp reproof which Christ, upon this occasion, gave to the Pharisees, without begging pardon even of the Pharisee whose guest he now was; for we must not flatter our best friends in any evil thing.

    1. He reproves them for placing religion so much in those instances of it which are only external, and fall under the eye of man, while those were not only postponed, but quite expunged, which respect the soul, and fall under the eye of God, v. 39, 40. Now observe here, (1.) The absurdity they were guilty of: “You Pharisees make clean the outside only, you wash your hands with water, but do not wash your hearts from wickedness; these are full of covetousness and malice, covetousness of men’s goods, and malice against good men.” Those can never be reckoned cleanly servants that wash only the outside of the cup out of which their master drinks, or the platter out of which he eats, and take no care to make clean the inside, the filth of which immediately affects the meat or drink. The frame or temper of the mind in every religious service is as the inside of the cup and platter; the impurity of this infects the services, and therefore to keep ourselves free from scandalous enormities, and yet to live under the dominion of spiritual wickedness, is as great an affront to God as it would be for a servant to give the cup into his master’s hand, clean wiped from all the dust on the outside, but within full of cobwebs and spiders. Ravening and wickedness, that is, reigning worldliness and reigning spitefulness, which men think they can find some cloak and cover for, are the dangerous damning sins of many who have made the outside of the cup clean from the more gross, and scandalous, and inexcusable sins of whoredom and drunkenness. (2.) A particular instance of the absurdity of it: “Ye fools, did not he that made that which is without make that which is within also? v. 40. Did not that God who in the law of Moses appointed divers ceremonial washings, with which you justify yourselves in these practices and impositions, appoint also that you should cleanse and purify your hearts? He who made laws for that which is without, did not he even in those laws further intend something within, and by other laws show how little he regarded the purifying of the flesh, and the putting away of the filth of that, if the heart be not made clean?” Or, it may have regard to God not only as a Lawgiver, but (which the words seem rather to import) as a Creator. Did not God, who made us these bodies (and they are fearfully and wonderfully made), make us these souls also, which are more fearfully and wonderfully made? Now, if he made both, he justly expects we should take care of both; and therefore not only wash the body, which he is the former of, and make the hands clean in honour of his work, but wash the spirit, which he is the Father of, and get the leprosy in the heart cleansed.

    To this he subjoins a rule for making our creature-comforts clean to us (v. 41): “Instead of washing your hands before you go to meat, give alms of such things as you have” (ta enonta- of such things as are set before you, and present with you); “let the poor have their share out of them, and then all things are clean to you, and you may use them comfortably.” Here is a plain allusion to the law of Moses, by which it was provided that certain portions of the increase of their land should be given to the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow; and, when that was done, what was reserved for their own use was clean to them, and they could in faith pray for a blessing upon it, Deu. 26:12-15. Then we can with comfort enjoy the gifts of God’s bounty ourselves when we send portions to them for whom nothing is prepared, Neh. 8:10. Job ate not his morsel alone, but the fatherless ate thereof, and so it was clean to him (Job 31:17); clean, that is, permitted and allowed to be used, and then only can it be used comfortably. Note, What we have is not our own, unless God have his dues out of it; and it is by liberality to the poor that we clear up to ourselves our liberty to make use of our creature-comforts.

    2. He reproves them for laying stress upon trifles, and neglecting the weighty matters of the law, v. 42. (1.) Those laws which related only to the means of religion they were very exact in the observance of, as particularly those concerning the maintenance of the priests: Ye pay tithe of mint and rue, pay it in kind and to the full, and will not put off the priests with a modus decimandi or compound for it. By this they would gain reputation with the people as strict observers of the law, and would make an interest in the priests, in whose power it was many a time to do them a kindness; and no wonder if the priests and the Pharisees contrived how to strengthen one another’s hands. Now Christ does not condemn them for being so exact in paying tithes (these things ought ye to have done), but to think that this would atone for the neglect of their greater duties; for, (2.) Those laws which relate to the essentials of religion they made nothing of: You pass over judgment and the love of God, you make no conscience of giving men their dues and God your hearts.

    3. He reproves them for their pride and vanity, and affectations of precedency and praise of men (v. 43): “Ye love the uppermost seats in the synagogues” (or consistories where the elders met for government); “if you have not those seats, you are ambitious of them; if you have, you are proud of them; and you love greetings in the markets, to be complimented by the people and to have their cap and knee.” It is not sitting uppermost, or being greeted, that is reproved, but loving it.

    4. He reproves them for their hypocrisy, and their colouring over the wickedness of their hearts and lives with specious pretences (v. 44): “You are as graves overgrown with grass, which therefore appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them, and so they contract the ceremonial pollution which by the law arose from the touch of a grave.” These Pharisees were within full of abominations, as a grave of putrefaction; full of covetousness, envy, and malice; and yet they concealed it so artfully with a profession of devotion, that it did not appear, so that they who conversed with them, and followed their doctrine, were defiled with sin, infected with their corruptions and ill morals, and yet, they making a show of piety, suspected no danger by them. The contagion insinuated itself, and was insensibly caught, and those that caught it thought themselves never the worse.

    IV. The testimony which he bore also against the lawyers or scribes, who made it their business to expound the law according to the tradition of the elders, as the Pharisees did to observe the law according to that tradition.

    1. There was one of that profession who resented what he said against the Pharisees (v. 45): “Master, thus saying thou reproachest us also, for we are scribes; and we are therefore hypocrites?” Note, It is a common thing for unhumbled sinners to call and count reproofs reproaches. It is the wisdom of those who desire to have their sin mortified to make a good use of reproaches that come from ill will, and to turn them into reproofs. If we can in this way hear of our faults, and amend them, it is well: but it is the folly of those who are wedded to their sins, and resolved not to part with them, to make an ill use of the faithful and friendly admonitions given them, which come from love, and to have their passions provoked by them as if they were intended for reproaches, and therefore fly in the face of their reprovers, and justify themselves in rejecting the reproof. Thus the prophet complained (Jer. 6. 10): The word of the Lord is to them a reproach; they have no delight in it. This lawyer espoused the Pharisee’s cause, and so made himself partaker of his sins.

    2. Our Lord Jesus thereupon took them to task (v. 46): Woe unto you also, ye lawyers; and again (v. 52): Woe unto you lawyers. They blessed themselves in the reputation they had among the people, who thought them happy men, because they studied the law, and were always conversant with that, and had the honour of instructing the people in the knowledge of that; but Christ denounced woes against them, for he sees not as man sees. This was just upon him for taking the Pharisee’s part, and quarrelling with Christ because he reproved them. Note, Those who quarrel with the reproofs of others, and suspect them to be reproaches to them, do but get woes of their own by so doing.

    (1.) The lawyers are reproved for making the services of religion more burdensome to others, but more easy to themselves, than God had made them (v. 46): “You lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, by your traditions, which bind them out from many liberties God has allowed them, and bind them up to many slaveries which God never enjoined them, to show your authority, and to keep people in awe; but you yourselves touch them not with one of your fingers;” that is, [1.] “You will not burden yourselves with them, nor be yourselves bound by those restraints with which you hamper others.” They would seem, by the hedges they pretended to make about the law, to be very strict for the observance of the law; but, if you could see their practices, you would find that they not only make nothing of those hedges themselves, but make nothing of the law itself neither: thus the confessors of the Romish church are said to do with their penitents. [2.] “You will not lighten them to those you have power over; you will not touch them, that is, either to repeal them or to dispense with them when you find them to be burdensome and grievous to the people.” They would come in with both hands to dispense with a command of God, but not with a finger to mitigate the rigour of any of the traditions of the elders.

    (2.) They are reproved for pretending a veneration for the memory of the prophets whom their fathers killed, when yet they hated and persecuted those in their own day who were sent to them on the same errand, to call them to repentance, and direct them to Christ, v. 47-49. [1.] These hypocrites, among other pretences of piety, built the sepulchres of the prophets; that is, they erected monuments over their graves, in honour of them, probably with large inscriptions containing high encomiums of them. They were not so superstitious as to enshrine their relics, or to think their devotions the more acceptable to God for being offered at the tombs of the martyrs; they did not burn incense or pray to them, or plead their merits with God; they did not add that iniquity to their hypocrisy; but, as if they owned themselves the children of the prophets, their heirs and executors, they repaired and beautified the monuments sacred to their pious memory. [2.] Notwithstanding this, they had an inveterate enmity to those in their own day that came to them in the spirit and power of those prophets; and, though they had not yet had an opportunity of carrying it far, yet they would soon do it, for the Wisdom of God said, that is, Christ himself would so order it, and did now foretel it, that they would slay and persecute the prophets and apostles that should be sent them. The Wisdom of God would thus make trial of them, and discover their odious hypocrisy, by sending them prophets, to reprove them for their sins and warn them of the judgments of God. Those prophets should prove themselves apostles, or messengers sent from heaven, by signs, and wonders, and gifts of the Holy Ghost. Or, “I will send them prophets under the style and title of apostles, who yet shall produce as good an authority as any of the old prophets did; and these they shall not only contradict and oppose, but slay and persecute, and put to death.” Christ foresaw this, and yet did not otherwise than as became the Wisdom of God in sending them, for he knew how to bring glory to himself in the issue, by the recompences reserved both for the persecutors and the persecuted in the future state. [3.] That therefore God will justly put another construction upon their building the tombs of the prophets than what they would be thought to intend, and it shall be interpreted their allowing the deeds of their fathers (v. 45); for, since by their present actions it appeared that they had no true value for their prophets, the building of their sepulchres shall have this sense put upon it, that they resolved to keep them in their graves whom their fathers had hurried thither. Josiah, who had a real value for prophets, thought it enough not to disturb the grave of the man of God at Bethel: Let no man move his bones, 2 Ki. 23:17, 18. If these lawyers will carry the matter further, and will build their sepulchres, it is such a piece of over-doing as gives cause to suspect an ill design in it, and that it is meant as a cover for some design against prophecy itself, like the kiss of a traitor, as he that blesseth his friend with a loud voice, rising early in the morning, it shall be counted a curse to him, Prov. 27:14.

    http://biblecommenter.com/luke/11-37.htm

  • Amanda

    Bruno

    I am willing to walk the road with you and the Bible will be the sole authority on what is true and what is false. Let’s just clear up your confusion on what we are doing here. The standard that you set for us is to be like the Son of God. That is not what we are trying to do. We preach repentance and the forgiveness of sins in His Name (Luk 24:47)and we contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints. (Jud 1:3)

    We hold to an extreme theology that is constantly under attack. The only thing we can do is to stand on the Word and to reject anything that contradicts it. If we speak of sin and righteousness and judgment (Joh 16:8) and fear of the Lord, it is because Jesus Christ spoke of it (Mat 10:28). We should not soften it because somebody’s feelings might be hurt. We do not do it out of malice, but to prepare the way to deliver the Good News. We should proclaim the Law “so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God. For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.” (Rom 3:19-20)

    Theresa is fully convinced of my sinfulness and she is right to agree with God that I should receive justice. Furthermore, when people demand a list of my good works [to cancel out my bad ones, I suppose], I don’t have any and cannot answer them. I have never even helped an old lady across the street, let alone raised somebody from the dead. When you look at my performance you can only conclude that I am an utter failure. The fact that I think kittens are cute cannot redeem me from smiling at my neighbour and calling him a fool in my heart. In the race to righteousness, I am a non-starter. Yet I have full assurance that I will hear the words:

    ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’
    (Mat 25:21)

    It is outrageous that one such as myself could have such assurance! Either I am deluded or God’s Word is true:

    But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it– the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. (Rom 3:21-28)

    My sins that Theresa has listed plus all the others, past, present and future, have been atoned for. I sin and Jesus Christ bore the full punishment. In stead of justice, I get grace.

    For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. (2Co 5:21)

    For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. For one will scarcely die for a righteous person–though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die– but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. (Rom 5:6-10)

    This is the outrageous claim of Christianity and a stumbling block to Theresa that God could give so much grace to a sinner and that my faith in Jesus Christ would count as righteousness.

    Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. And to the one who does not work but trusts him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works: “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin.”
    (Rom 4:4-8)

    Bruno, when you wrote to provoke me, you did not get the response you were looking for, because I agree with you that we cannot judge whether somebody is truly saved or not. But we can and we must judge if teachings are true. If you were saying that evil will inherit heaven, your were wrong and I showed you why. Now you can judge if I am correct to say that faith in Jesus Christ, and not works, is how sinners are justified in front of a holy Judge.

  • Greg

    Hi All, Elmarie Bruno Leon and Theresa.

    Wow what a debate!!!

    Few points,but first THERESA!! PLEASE WRITE IN PARAGRAPHS!!!!!!!!!

    LEON! the term “Kick some devil butt” to me my brother is made from a lack of maturity somewhat and a lack of understanding of the word of God. I believe that some people are used to deliver people but it is not to be done in a patronizing name calling manner. Jude and Peter should teach you about how to view Satan. Not even the arc angel Michael brought an accusation against the devil but said rather let the Lord rebuke you. There is a principple here Leon. The devil may be a fallen angelic being but he is still an angelic being. And i say this tongue in cheek Leon but it is he who could kick your butt if God so let him.

    The principle is you have no power or authority apart from Christ.

    Still with Leon: Leon you stated on your website;
    “Please be advised that the material which I have gleaned from and caught has been from Kim Clement, Benny Hinn and my own experiences with the Holy Spirit, founded on scripture.

    LEON: Benny Hinn has been shown by the words of his own mouth that he is a false prophet.He has stated that Jesus would one day soon walk down the aisle physically and appear with him on stage. And what did Jesus say about that: Mark 13:

    21 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘Look, there he is!’ do not believe it.
    22 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect— if that were possible.

    So Leon, who am I to believe in this ,a man called Benny Hinn or Jesus. Leon have you ever heard of a guy called “Marjoe Gotner” well if you think that a man can say Jesus is Lord with his mouth but not be false then google this mans name. He did a documentary about himself in the 70s. It is in nine parts on youtube. I suggest you watch it all.

    BRUNO: Ditto for you.

    THERESA: Binding and loosing: This is not about binding the devil but it is about discipline in the church of a sinner. Read the chapter again and look at all the verses. It begins about a “brother who sins” and then continues and in the middle mentions the “binding and loosing verse and then continues with the conversation on “How many times must I forgive my brother”. Theresa, I ask you, humbly..how does one take a teaching about binding the devil from these verses. In fact if you go through Revelations you will see that an angel is given the authority to bind Satan…once.

    Now I understand, the term binding could loosely apply to stopping his work in an individual through deliverance. But no individual has the power the right or the authority to personally bind the Devil. And as I have seen it written ” if people are binding the devil who keeps loosing him” . I personally go no further than this, “we are not unaware of his schemes.”

    ELMARIE. As you may be aware I have recently joined the debates here and understand the need to bring discernment. It is certainly not going on in our individual churches at least in my experience. People can buy what books CD.s attend whatever conferences etc they want and no one in leadership warns them or at least discusses these teachers. In the part of the body I attend some will buy teachings and books of Benny Hinn and some will abhor what he is about and so on with others, but the leadership seems to have no opinion. Hence the rise of these discernment sites.

    That said I need to mention one man. Neville Norden. I am sharing a house with a Lady from S.A and she knows him personally over many years and her son is a youth pastor there who I have met and he is a lovely Godly man who loves Jesus. I know thats just my opinion. My friend says that Neville Norden is an absolute Godly lovely man and she was quite shocked that you spoke out against him. And incidentally she says that he and others warned and pleaded with ray McCauley to not go the way he went. her point was that your associating them together in a positive light was wrong. What is your thoughts about this.

    Greg.

  • Amanda

    Greg

    On a side note, Marc Bredenkamp is Pastor Leon and Pastor Bruno’s senior pastor. Marc’s prophetic word South Africa is on Neville’s webpage.

    []…Although there will be wars and even rumours of wars, and even in South Africa, they will suggest that there shall be bloodshed yet again”. The Spirit of the Lord says “Don’t listen to them, phooey to that, because I shall arise for I have found My righteous ones, I have found those who would intercede, I have found those who would pray, I have found those who would prophecy, I have found those who would praise me” and God says “I am going to breathe upon this nation. Yes, even in the city of Pretoria. I am going to turn everything around. I am going to turn everything around says God.

    [ ]… “Therefore God says “Watch this thing now. I will reciprocate and I will respond. Your prayers and your giving have come up before me as a memorial and I am ready to do a new thing on the planet. Yes, a new thing even in your city. Yes a new thing, a new thing in this land. Get ready, for the old shall begin to die off, and when you see the death of prominent leaders of the nations of this world, take note as a sign, it is a sign My child, yes it is a sign – that I am about to do something brand new on this planet and I have marked you to receive the power of My Holy Spirit in this hour. Therefore rejoice, and again I say rejoice!”

    There is more.

    Theresa is also a prophet:

    What I sensed in my spirit, was confirmed by a word given 5 years ago and brought to remembrance last night—exactly 5 years later (to the date)—5 is the number of GRACE…YAHWEH knew that nations from around the world would come to South Africa in 2010, exactly 5 years after giving this Word to Theresa Watermeyer from KZN. People read this prophetic word and see the confirmation from what I sensed in my spirit with my post yesterday (also on the 10th of June) …time for playing religion is OVER—time for MOCKING GOD is over—let the true sons of GOD MANIFEST AND BE REVEALED IN THIS HOUR!!!

    “Tell the people of this land that I love them, that I wish to bless them and that I wish to open the windows of heaven upon this country, but there is a PRICE I seek. I seek TOTAL LOYALTY and SUBMISSION to My word and My law; not mans law. This country has fallen into the hands of the lawless because they have turned from My truth. The people of this country are no better than those who worshipped the false gods of yesterday! I hear the people of this country say ” But Lord, the majority of this country are Christians, we profess Your word and Jesus Your Son,” but I say to them: “I do not know you!” They have made false doctrine spoken in My Name their idols. They follow the “circus show” of CERTAIN churches, with many leaders proclaiming Me, yet they are nothing but the ringleaders of this circus!

    I have sent My prophets, My apostles, My messengers to the people of this country to take them from darkness into the light, yet they MOCK and scorn those I sent. Many in this country sit in churches yet they DECEIVE themselves because the churches are as dead as they are. If My SPIRIT is not there, then there is no life! Tell the people of this country of My love, for I want to do a GREAT THING for this country. I want to bring REVIVAL, starting at the tip of the continent- I want to send revival like a rushing wave, starting with SOUTH AFRICA, but its people must TURN BACK to Me- they must SEEK My word. They must seek My laws. I do not favour the laws of this country that do not honour or give glory to My name.

    There is more. All Law, no Gospel.

  • Elmarie A

    As you may be aware I have recently joined the debates here and understand the need to bring discernment.

    Welcome again Greg and Amen to your understanding for discernement and you are in my prayers with your struggles in Mosselbay.

    It is certainly not going on in our individual churches at least in my experience.

    Greg most churches of today really preach a different Gospel. The churches dont want to preach about real discernment because then the phews will be empty and the pastors/preachers will be poor. Most churches I know of in our area of Pretoria east have also done the Rick Warren Purpose Driven thing and 40 day fasting. But Rick Warren is another fish of colour as you may well know or find out.

    People can buy what books CD.s attend whatever conferences etc they want and no one in leadership warns them or at least discusses these teachers.

    Correct yes because it is all just one big big interwoven network world wide. My opinion is they are preparing the churches toward the coming one world religion one day soon.

    In the part of the body I attend some will buy teachings and books of Benny Hinn and some will abhor what he is about and so on with others, but the leadership seems to have no opinion.

    Yes the leaders would actually rather punt these Heretics books and that is sad. Now I ask is this because the leaders are blinded or are the wolves in sheep clothing. Some of us with discernment have to read these books and watch these dvds so that we can warn others against it. Ezekiel 33:6

    Hence the rise of these discernment sites.

    A discernment site could also be dangerous espescially if they cannot give proof for their findings and I have found some of them on the internet, they are then false discernment sites. We are to test absolutely everything to see whether it proceed for God. I cannot stress that enough. 1 Thessalonians 5:21

    That said I need to mention one man. Neville Norden. I am sharing a house with a Lady from S.A and she knows him personally over many years and her son is a youth pastor there who I have met and he is a lovely Godly man who loves Jesus. I know thats just my opinion. My friend says that Neville Norden is an absolute Godly lovely man and she was quite shocked that you spoke out against him. And incidentally she says that he and others warned and pleaded with ray McCauley to not go the way he went. her point was that your associating them together in a positive light was wrong. What is your thoughts about this.

    Yes Greg and please tell your lady friend i’m very sorry and it was an absolute shock for me as well to have found out Neville Norden forms part of the false teachers and churches too. You can follow my comments to Ruoall above and read all and follow all the links that confirms my findings that Neville is part of the false churches and decide whether you agree with me or not. You know it makes me think about a verse in the Word where it says they will deceive even the elect and it makes one very sad. But these are Biblical facts.

    Christians aren’t to automatically accept every claim that is made by somebody supposedly speaking for God. The Bible is clear that we are to test every claim we hear against Scripture; if it contradicts something taught by Scripture, we should steer clear.

    Jesus said Himself: Matthew 24:24
    For false Christs and false prophets will arise, and they will show great signs and wonders so as to deceive and lead astray, if possible, even the elect (God’s chosen ones).

    Godbless and peace be with you.

  • Elmarie A

    Amanda

    Yes as you say : “There is more. All Law, no Gospel.” I Echo your words yes!!

  • Amanda

    Greg

    You can hear what God says about Neville through Harold:
    Prophetic Word over Nevil Norden & Pretoria (Harold Weitsz 2009-08-14)

  • Elmarie A

    More rabid rabbits from Hinn’s heresy hat – Yikes!!

    Benny Hinn Strikes Again on TBN!

    More rabid rabbits from Hinn’s heresy hat

    by Bud Press, Director

    Christian Research Service

    http://www.christianresearchservice.com

    June 20, 2010

    Those who tuned in to the Trinity Broadcasting Network’s Monday, May 3 telecast listened to Benny Hinn pull a verbal stream of rabid rabbits from his hat of many heresies.

    The telecast, titled Angels, was hosted by the spiritually disturbed Paul Crouch, Sr., and his equally disturbed son Paul Crouch, Jr. When Paul Crouch, Sr. turned the always disturbing Benny Hinn loose on the TBN audience, they sat wide-eyed and mesmerized as Hinn thrilled and chilled them with his usual disturbing and foreign-to-the-Bible statements.

    And what did Benny Hinn teach during the almost two hour telecast?

    * the pre-Adamic age (gap theory).
    * the existence of Neanderthal man (evolution).
    * angels and free will (both heavenly and demonic).
    * Christians having a free will in heaven, and the need for Jesus to pray for Christians in heaven–to keep them saved.

    For detailed information on Benny Hinn’s gap theory and Neanderthal man, refer to the Recommended Reading section at the end of this article.

    Indeed, there are serious ramifications to what Benny Hinn said and taught. No doubt that his teachings caused confusion and great fear in many of his followers.

    Free will in heaven?

    The following word-for-word transcript is from the May 3, 2010 TBN telecast at http://tinyurl.com/34wzkg7 . The transcript begins at 1:36:03 into the telecast and ends at 1:37:26. In it, Benny Hinn clearly demonstrates his reckless abandon of Scripture, regardless of how damaging it may be:

    Benny Hinn: And angels to this day can decide to rebel against God.

    Paul Crouch, Jr.: Even now.

    Benny Hinn: Even now!

    Paul Crouch, Jr.: That was one of the questions, “Do angels have free will?”

    Benny Hinn: Yes, they have free will. That’s why a third of them chose to not serve God.

    Paul Crouch, Jr.: Even today.

    Benny Hinn: Even today.

    Paul Crouch, Jr.: Wow!

    Benny Hinn: And may I add, this is, uh, this is something that is gonna cause a lot of questions: Why is Jesus gonna pray for you forever? If you’re in heaven why does He need to pray for you?

    Paul Crouch, Sr.: He maketh intercession for the saints?

    Benny Hinn: Forever!

    Paul Crouch, Sr.: According to the will of God.

    Benny Hinn: But forever. Why forever?

    Paul Crouch, Sr.: Why?

    Benny Hinn: To keep us obedient.

    Paul Crouch, Sr.: Cause?

    Benny Hinn: We will have a free will in glory.

    Paul Crouch, Sr.: Whoa!

    Paul Crouch, Jr.: And could change our mind.

    Benny Hinn: Exactly.

    Paul Crouch, Sr.: Oh! Benny!

    Paul Crouch, Jr.: Wow. Now that’s heavy.

    Paul Crouch, Sr.: I mean, I’m underwater right now.

    Paul Crouch, Jr.: That’s deep!

    Benny Hinn: That is heavy! When you get to heaven, when you get to heaven, only His prayer will keep you there.

    Paul Crouch, Jr.: Wow!

    Benny Hinn: He intercedes for us forever. You had better ask your-yourself, Wait! If I’m in, in heaven, why do I need prayer by the Son of God Himself?

    Paul Crouch, Jr.: That’s right.

    Benny Hinn: To keep me saved in heaven! To keep me in the presence of God!

    [At this point, Paul Crouch, Sr. asks Paul Crouch, Jr. “Have you ever heard that?” Paul Crouch, Jr. answers, “No. I have never…”]

    Paul Crouch, Sr.: [looks at the audience and asks] How many have never heard that before? Let me see your hands. [As the camera pans the audience, many hands are raised]

    Benny Hinn: Well, why would He pray forever?

    Paul Crouch, Sr.: Well, of course.

    Paul Crouch, Jr.: Interesting. It’s good.
    [End of transcript]

    Like his father, Paul Crouch, Jr.’s level of discernment is three digits lower than a houseplant. What Benny Hinn taught is neither interesting or good. It is repulsive and detestable, and further demonstrates Hinn’s vivid and fertile imagination, as well as his ability to sell people the shirts off their own backs.

    It is important to note that during his diatribe, Benny Hinn failed to include Scriptural references to back his teachings. He couldn’t, because there are none! As with all false teachers, Hinn depends on the failure of his followers to study God’s written word and apply the Biblical test (1 Thessalonians 5:21).

    But for the record, the following passage of Scripture solidly refutes what Hinn said to untold numbers of TBN followers worldwide:

    Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, “DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP in victory” (1 Corinthians 15:50-54, NASB).

    Do Christians have a free will and the sin nature (ability to sin)? Yes. Do Christians sin? Yes. Are Christians to confess sin and seek God’s forgiveness? Yes (1 John 1:6-10). Once in heaven, will Christians have the sin nature? NO!

    For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ; who will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of His glory, by the exertion of the power that He has even to subject all things to Himself (Philippians 3:20-21).

    Heaven is the paradise of God. For the Christian, there will be no tears or death, no grieving or pain, and no sin (Revelation chapter 21). Take the words of Jesus Christ to heart:

    My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand (John 10:27-29).

    Sadly, those who believe what Benny Hinn said might think, If I have a free

    will in heaven, that means I have the ability to sin. And if I sin in heaven, will I

    be cast out of heaven and into hell? So, why bother going to heaven in the first

    place? Why bother being a Christian?

    These are the serious ramifications to what Benny Hinn said and taught during the telecast. Words have the ability to build up or tear down, and no doubt that Hinn’s words caused confusion and fear in the minds of the innocent and gullible.

    Therefore, where does the Bible teach: 1. Christians will have a free will in heaven? 2. When in heaven, Christians can change their minds? 3. Jesus will pray for Christians in heaven forever to keep Christians obedient, saved, and in God’s presence? Simply put, it doesn’t.

    But as long as people adore, listen to, defend, and financially support Benny Hinn Ministries, Hinn will continue to use words to distort the Bible to his own destruction, and the destruction of his followers (2 Peter 3:13-18).
    Rules to live by–and die for

    Over the years, the damage Benny Hinn has done to the cause of Christ has spread beyond the church and branched out into the secular world. Across the internet, the unsaved think Benny Hinn is a joke. They wrongfully equate Benny Hinn with Christianity, and get plenty of laughs along the way through his on-stage shenanigans and circus-like performances.

    Those who follow Benny Hinn and abide by the Word of Faith rules and regulations live in a world of make-believe, and a constant state of anxiety and upheaval. The simplicity that is in Christ and the peace and confidence He provides is replaced by suspicion, fear, paranoia, and depression.

    Those caught up in the Word of Faith movement have been conditioned into believing a lie, and brainwashed into accepting Word of Faith prophets and teachers as their ultimate and final authority. Behind the scenes, those who separate from the Word of Faith movement find themselves alone and hurting, shunned and denounced by family and friends, and looked upon as reprobates, unfit to open a Bible and call themselves Christian.

    The savagery of deception is without sympathy and compassion.

    As far as Benny Hinn’s followers are concerned, to disagree with Hinn and deny his teachings is to “attack” the “anointed” and deny the very words of God. To step away from the Word of Faith movement and renounce its teachings is considered apostasy, with hell as the only alternative.

    Live by the rules, or die. Life in the cults is no different.

    Benny Hinn is not only a false prophet and false teacher, he is a fear-monger who instills fear into the minds of his followers. Those who fall for Hinn’s intimidation tactics are doomed to live their lives in fear, night and day, while looking over their shoulders for a demon behind every tree.

    During the May 3 TBN telecast, Benny Hinn had his followers
    sitting at his feet, applauding him, and bobbing their heads up and down in approval. They were so anesthetized and absorbed in what Hinn was saying that he could have announced that he was three-eyed frog from the Mormon planet Kolob, and his followers would have bobbed their heads up and down in agreement.To live by Word of Faith rules is to die a slow, agonizing death, eaten alive spiritually on the inside, where the heart and soul dwells.

    What more does the Word of Faith movement have to do to convince its followers that it isn’t Christian? What more does Benny Hinn have to say and do to convince his followers he is not of God?

    Final comments: For those who support TBN

    The introduction to the Trinity Broadcasting Network’s telecasts informs the viewer that,
    The following program is produced and sponsored by you, the TBN partners, and is only made possible through your generous support.

    The Trinity Broadcasting Network is the largest promoter of fake prophets, fake teachers, and fake healers on the planet. If you are a TBN partner, or even an occasional contributor, keep in mind that it is your money that supports the savage wolves that growl and howl on the TBN airways.

    By the way, what more does TBN have to do to prove it isn’t Christian?

    Recommending Reading:

    The Confusing World of Benny Hinn by M. Kurt Goedelman and G. Richard Fisher (revised, expanded, and updated, and includes a thorough refutation of the pre-Adamic/gap theory)

    Skating on Thin Ice (online article that addresses and refutes Benny Hinn’s gap theory, and more)

    Benny Hinn and Neanderthal Man by Bud Press (Neanderthals never existed in the first place, but Benny Hinn believes they did)

    The Jesus Of The Dake Annotated Reference Bible by Jeff Spancer (Finis Jennings Dake introduced numerous heresies in his writings, many of which are taught today within the hyper-Charismatic camp)

    The Prophet, the ‘God’ and the Heretic by Bud Press (examines the teachings of E. Bernard Jordan, Manasseh Jordan, and Benny Hinn in light of the Bible)

    Benny Hinn Articles page (contains an in-depth, comprehensive list of national and international articles, letters to government officials, news releases, and more that are dated from 1989 to present)

    Benny Hinn Videos page (contains selected YouTube videos on Benny Hinn and others associated with the Word-Faith movement)

  • Burning Lamp

    El Marie, thank you for bringing this to our attention. Most of us can’t stomach watching The Blasphemy Network. What really is grievous to me is that there is such a mixture of truth and error to fool the undiscerning.

    This is beyond the pale – we can lose our salvation in heaven? And no one challenges this? Even for Hinn this is out there. Deception breeds more deception.

    Why in the world do men of great reputation such as Chuck Smith, Greg Laurie, David Jeremiah and others see the need to fraternize with these heretics – not Hinn, but appearing on TBN. Is there any difference? Just asking.

  • Burning Lamp

    El Marie said:

    A discernment site could also be dangerous espescially if they cannot give proof for their findings and I have found some of them on the internet, they are then false discernment sites. We are to test absolutely everything to see whether it proceed for God. I cannot stress that enough. 1 Thessalonians 5:21

    Echoing those words of wisdom! There are many wolves out there dressed up like sheep declaring about the Rapture and claiming to have discernment, but have no more savvy than a dinner roll. A good test is to see to whom they link. I have seen one site that looks good on the surface but promotes false teachers and links to them. Be VERY careful!!

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Elmarie/Burning Lamp

    A discernment site could also be dangerous espescially if they cannot give proof for their findings ….

    That is soooooooooooo interesting you say that. While on my vacation (which I am still on by the way lol) I realised that anyone who tries to stop this website or me for that matter or anyone else who speaks the gospel truth is scared. Note to: Dion Forster and Thomas Scarborough.

  • Elmarie A

    Deborah (Discerning the World)

    And me smiling from ear to ear cause what a surprise….. :-))

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Elmarie

    SURPRISE… but tis a short one ;) Just had to say something… lol

  • Elmarie A

    Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Yes lol lol and well said everywhere. yay!

  • Burning Lamp

    Welcome back Debs-what a pleasant surprise! We have missed you but you be sure to enjoy the remainder of your well-deserved time away!

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    BL

    Thankkkk youuuuuuu :) Yes, I am resting well.

  • Tim

    Benny Hinn I like his teaching hes great & theres alot of people against him
    but is so pose to judge people? God hes the one sitting on the throne in heaven any ways god bless you Benny hinn thanks.

  • Jordach

    Enjoyed reading the debate. Thank God for His Grace. Love you all xx

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