Jacob Prasch the Railer
DTW exposed Jacob Prasch from Moriel Ministries here: Jacob Prasch – Twisting Scripture the Midrash Way. Not long after the article was published, Jacob Prasch unfortunately graced us with his presence and commented on the blog. Jacob Prasch had nothing nice to say; it was so bad that he even emailed us and told us there was No Euphemism for a Liar and then continued to insult, ridicule, demonize, and slander us.
Someone did a summary count of all the nasty, vile things he said. I went and did a full recount of what Jacob Prasch actually said in the comments section – shockingly this only includes 4 comments and 2 emails and excludes a comment of Jacob Prasch’s I deleted.
The list is as follows:
- 20 times liar
- 1 times slanderer
- 1 times thug
- 2 times pathological liar
- 1 times disgusting liar
- 1 times religious liar
- 1 times religious fruitcake
- 1 times ministers of Satan
- 1 times demonized liar
- 1 times filthy demon inspired liar
- 1 times stupid woman
- 1 times crackpot
- 1 times inspired by demons
- 3 times slanderer
- 1 times fraud
- 1 times narcissistic
- 1 times charlatan
- 8 times demonic
- 1 times slandering witch
- 1 times slandering witch motivated by demons
- 1 times wicked daughter of darkness
- 1 times demons from whom she unknowingly takes her orders.
- 1 times babbling religious crackpot
- 1 times cheap mouthed hooligan
- 1 times ignorant
- 1 times spiritually deluded buffoon
- 1 times servant of demons
- 1 times daughter of Jezebel
- 3 times ignoramus
- 2 times idiot
- 2 times stupid/stupidity
- 1 times lunatic
- 1 times low life
- 1 times perverted/perverse
- 1 times poisoned spirit
- 1 times diseased soul
- 1 times low ranking volunteer soldier in Satan’s arm
- 1 times service of your father the devil.
- 1 times threatening on behalf of God; “The Lord however most certainly shall deal with you, I am quite assured. Vengeance is His and He will have it. He is sometimes slow, but never late !”
And then he has the audacity to sign off…
This is the reason I have been attacked, for exposing his doctrine (please read all comments):
What does the Bible say about his shocking behaviour:
1 Corinthians 5:11 “But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.”
What is a railer, or a reviler?
It means to express objections or criticisms in bitter, harsh, or abusive language. To be verbally abusive.
Jacob Prasch and his lack of euphemisms:
“I don’t like to revile, but it is just so hard to find a euphemism for a half literate ignoramus”
Michael, I used the term “passive” because to IGNORE the false teaching of Jacob Prasch means to let it go, does it not?
The Bible instructs us to EXPOSE false teaching, to take action, to mark them and alert others.
Believe it or not, DTW and LDW are not only obeying the Lord, but they are also doing the most LOVING thing for the precious flock of God and yes, even to Jacob Prasch himself. It is not good for him to continue to mislead people. The silence of ignoring only provides an opportunity for the false teacher to amass to themselves a large following who will be blindly loyal. The truth taught covers for the error and most people will miss it unless it it pointed out.
As for following the Apostle Paul, he was a faithful servant of the Lord Jesus and the words he wrote were inspired by the Holy Spirit. So by following his example, aren’t we are in essence following the Lord Jesus Christ? I don’t understand your distinction here.
The fact that you refer to Mr Prasch as a *money making machine* just shows how little you actually know the man.
For all his faults (which in my direct experience he openly acknowledges when he preaches, (which you would also know if you had ever spent time with him), and which I do not condone), to accuse him of being in it for the money is preposterous, there was never a man who was less interested in financial reward than him.
You should, I submit respectfully, withdraw that statement, it is desperately untrue and unfair.
If you sell the gospel of Jesus Christ (books, DVDS, cds, conferences, etc) and you are making a profit then you are making money. I don’t care how much you are making, (he clearly makes enough to travel the world), never the less, the fact is you are profiting of selling the Gospel.
How funny I must retract that I said he is a money making machine, but there are about +/-50 terrible names that are not true, that he has called me, that I would like him to retract. You guys really DO make me laugh out loud.
ST, you may be right that Mr. Prasch is not motivated by $$$. However, it takes a lot of moolah to keep a large international organization in operation. You may not understand how most large Christian organizations work. Laws vary from country to country and even from region to region, but in some fashion the organization functions as a non-profit organization so that donations can be received and used to fund the work of the group. Usually key members are given a salary and their expenses such as travel, etc. are covered in addition. Of course each organization has their own policies. There is certainly nothing wrong with this.
My point is that in some form revenue from Mr. Prasch’s books and other materials goes into the coffers of the organization. A reasonable assumption would be that he is a major source of revenue because he is the “name” behind the organization and the main figure of Moriel.
Again, you may certainly be right – Mr. Prasch may be not concerned with making $$$ to fill his personal wallet. He may have a very frugal lifestyle. I don’t know him and have no way of knowing anything about him personally. But I do see from his comments a man that appears to be puffed up with pride and pride is a powerful motivator, even moreso than money.
So if you are going to single out this one comment, I think you are grasping at straws and even setting up a strawman.
I have no idea how Moriel works as an organisation, neither do you, and that is the point, we do not know, therefore to infer that Jacob Prasch is making a lot of money and personally profiting from the sale of the Gospel is wrong, and potentially inaccurate, and as Christians, who, with respect, are portraying themselves as being more Christ like than Mr Prasch you should not be saying that without hard facts to back it up.
This is not a strawman, it is a fact.
Perhaps any profits made from the sale of cd’s/books etc go towards Moriels charitable works, who knows? Perhaps Mr Prasch funds his world travel from his own pocket or from freewill offerings ?
If that is the case then your comment is extremely wrong, is it not?
The truth is that I don’t know, and neither do you, therefore we should not be infering that we do in order to influence the opinion of other people towards him, that is not the path of righteousness.
As to the names Mr Prasch called you, I do not for a moment agree with his speech to you (if you reread my post I said I do not condone his faults) and yes, I believe he should retract, but please remember that that works both ways, and you should be prepared to retract also where you have erred, otherwise how can you call him to a higher path when you are unwilling to walk it yourself?
I am quite sure that both you and Mr Prasch have a whole bunch of unChristlike corners that the Lord is working on daily as He fashions you both into His image, perhaps Mr Praschs corners are far more visible than yours, and in this case have been dramatically exposed, but whatever the case both you and Mr Prasch stand by grace and mercy alone and we would all, myself included, be wise to remember that.
1) I don’t make any money selling the gospel. I rely solely on God providing for me so that I can pay out of my own pocket the running costs of this website.
2) I use this website to preach the gospel across the world – it’s for free.
3) Everything I say I say on this website – I am open and transparent. If I make a mistake and it’s a genuine error on my part I am quick to apologise and change the teaching and fix the problem. I am humble. I apologise when it’s needed, I feel sorry for others and I get upset with myself when I make mistakes because of the consequences.
But you know what ST, for you I will retract that little statement. He is not a ‘money making machine‘
however he sells the gospel to make money.I retract this statement as well – Jesus however knows exactly what is going on.
If you read ALL the comments you would see that we HAVE retracted or apologised once we were proved wrong. This is the difference between a person of God and one who is not. A humble person has NO PROBLEM apologising in humilty and brokkenness if they are shown to be wrong. Those like Jacob, are far too proud to apologise.
NEXT POINT: This is a vitally important distinction!!! YES we all have our faults but not all of us are BIG Christian leaders who MUST behave like leaders otherwise they SHOULD be removed from leadership and learn humility OUT OF THE LIMELIGHT.
This is exactly what Paul told Timothy and Titus i.e that leaders CANNOT be leaders unless they show certain characteristics earning them the right to look after God’s people.
he has a ministry, he sells materials assosciated with that ministry, but you have yet to establish factually that the profit from those sales goes into his pocket to keep him and his family – it may be that it goes to fund Moriels charitable organisations around the world – you and I do not know.
Therefore, if any profit from those sales does not contribute to a wage for him then he does not personally make any money from selling the Gospel, any money made goes to fund christian endeavours, and he supports himself and his family in other ways.
A crucial but pivotal difference, therefore until you know for sure, you should not potentially falsely accuse him of profiteering from Jesus, not for me, and not even for Jacob, but because you do love the Lord, and I believe you do, incidentally.
>> A crucial but pivotal difference, therefore until you know for sure,
We will never know…
But Jesus knows…
We will leave it there…
Please see Comment #36.
St, I feel the need to reply to your statements.
Your saying none of us have any idea how Christian organizations are run is so incorrect. All Christian organizations who take in donations or sell materials have to be accountable to govermental authorities. And usually it is a matter of public record. And I want to know how monies are spent and if the organization is demonstrating good stewardship before I give to their cause. That is only good stewardship on my part.
You can’t be so naive to believe that they just go out to their back yard and pick $$ off the trees to pay the expenses of running a large international organization. Surely not all those who are working with Moriel are tentmakers and surely Mr. Prasch is not employed elsewhere. AT no time did I insinuate that there was anything about Moriel’s finances that was improper or that Mr. Prasch had any personal gain. You chose to ignore that and also that I brought out that pride is a bigger motive than money to many people.
You set up a strawman to take away from all the other issues. You toss us a bone to say you don’t approve of all the names Mr. Prasch has called Deborah and John and others who have commented here and then come back give him a pass by saying all of us are not perfect either. I think the blogsters would be the FIRST to say they fall short, but they have not resorted to calling anyone who differs with them the horrid, lurid, disgusting names as Mr. Prasch did.
No one dare question Mr. Prasch and his writings and expect to escape his wrath. Apparently you are amongst this company as the issues that were raised obviously don’t concern you. I find that curiously sad.
Moriel releases a prayer request and states that WE said we don’t want Moriel to pray for Doug Harris. Unbelievable. All we we doing was pointing out the ECUMENICAL TIES between Jacob Prasch and Doug Harris (in the prayer request) – we even stated here 2012/12/02 at 12:06 pm, “Of course we must pray for Doug and I do not wish to attack him at this time but pray for his healing AND revelation that ecumenism (in any shape) is wrong, but the point here is that Jacob is endorsing the ecumenist Doug Harris as an important apologetics ministry.” But Jacob lies and states otherwise.
See snapshot: JacobPrash-DougHarris-Catholicties
So they do not agree with his views on Roman Catholicism, but view him as a Christian. Hmmmm.
They call Deborah and John and those who agree with them LIARS?
They LIE when they say they were called out for praying for Doug Harris.
That is a LIE as Deborah clearly DOCUMENTS above.
We are the “lunatic fringe” and “ultra-fundamentalist” ? What in the world is an “ultra-fundamentalist”? Actually that is a COMPLIMENT!
They say “this is not a time for contempt but for compassion”. They think calling out false doctrine from the pit of hell is “contempt”? Only a deceived mind would say this!
Doug Harris may be an expert in certain cults, but ROMAN CATHOLICISM IS THE LARGEST CULT THERE IS – taking more people to hell than Mormonism, Jehovah’s Witnesses and all others COMBINED!!!!
And if Moriel is going to give Doug Harris a pass when he fraternizes with false teachers (Moriel withdrew from Revelation TV because of this) and is ecumenical, then he should pray for RICK WARREN who JP blasts as a false teacher who was recently hospitalized!!! He blasts Warren for being an ecumenist and yet gives Doug Harris a pass.
Certainly one should not disparage Mr. Harris when he is suffering from a serious illness, but why make a point of posting a prayer request on the website? Pray for him in your prayer closet. And a proper prayer for him would of course that he will overcome the illness but that God would USE this illness to GET HIS ATTENTION to the error he is promoting!
That is NOT comtempt!
JP has revealed himself to be a double-minded man whose desire to maintain relationships trumps standing for truth.
Dust your feet and move on. Your work is done.
I’ve learnt in a short period of time that:
1. It’s not worth getting into a dispute with others, usually the conflict only goes around in circles. Man likes the sound of his own voice and hates to listen. Man also does not want to be proven wrong because man is too proud. This is where name calling, mud slinging and cursing start.
2. Don’t even try to defend yourself infront of other men, they will only hear what they want in any case so you are waisting precious time, energy and your breath. Let them speak what they want, your fruit will be your witness.
3. If I see conflict coming my way, I say “thank you for hearing me” politely, turn and go. The seed has been planted, now it is up to the one that heard.
4. I respect that everybody has a free will to make choices in life. We can not always stick the pointy finger in their faces when we believe that they made the incorrect choice. We may however warn them and present our Biblical or practical evidence. We can not prevent people from associating with the onces that we believe are not “kosher”, however we may warn them because we care for them. What they do with that information is up to them.
Dust your feet Debs, you have presented the Biblical facts, dust your feet and move on. Let God work His miracles.
Hi, I have looked at that site before, not so much on the Alnors, I have been noticing the manner of dealing with false teachers falling into a lack of sound speech that cannot be condemned. Jackie says she does not “do midrash” so I asked her if she then understood that she didn’t know anything other than salvific issues according to Jacob. Thanks for the link, I’ll take a look.
@ Micheline: Just a mention regarding it’s not a dispute, it’s contending for the faith. The end result is up to God, but the name calling, and mud slinging and cursing starts because darkness does no like the light.
Deborah isn’t wasting any time, she is just doing what is just called to do, we don’t all have the same gift. She has to deal with “conflict” as she believes the Word shows her and the Lord is leading her.
One thing I want to address, is how you framed a couple comments; “We can not always stick the pointy finger in their faces when we believe that they made the incorrect choice.”
Or this: “We can not prevent people from associating with the onces that we believe are not “kosher”, however we may warn them because we care for them. What they do with that information is up to them.”
I see no pointy fingers being stuck in their faces here, nor is it about whether we believe they are “kosher”. It is about naming names so we can avoid, contending for the faith, exposing the unfruitful deeds of darkness to the light, marking and avoiding, and nothing else. It’s not flesh and blood. We do these things, the result is the Lords.
One of the things that really irks today is the way men treat women today and behave badly towards them. It is bad enough in the world but one does not expect it from men that call themselves Christians…very UNMANLY and WIMPY behaviour. I was brought up to show respect to all people especially the fairer sex. Such unmanly behaviour…sure you can disagree but bad words are totally unacceptable. My late mother always drummed it in to my brother and myself…manners maketh a man. You can see this in the Saviour Himself…the way He treated women.
The way Jacob bad-mouthed Deborah is utterly disgusting. I hope he is man enough to apologise.
>> I see no pointy fingers being stuck in their faces here, nor is it about whether we believe they are “kosher”. It is about naming names so we can avoid, contending for the faith, exposing the unfruitful deeds of darkness to the light, marking and avoiding, and nothing else. It’s not flesh and blood. We do these things, the result is the Lords.
Thanks Holly I agree.
>> I hope he is man enough to apologise.
We can only pray…
@ Holly G.:
Oi, maybe my writing skills need some attention.
I was defending Debs.
The points I listed are the things I use to deal with difficult situations.
But don’t mind me, I’m still learning, and don’t worry about how I “frame” my comments, I really didn’t mean any harm or friction. Maybe I should just read from now on and refrain from posting.
Thank you for your comment and concern.
I guess JP is an equal opportunity railer. 😉
Micheline, please do not be offended and please do not stop commenting on here. Two years ago I started on a journey which has led me to the realtruth of the Bible, but I am still learning every day. As long as we stay humble and willing to learn, God will enlighten you through His Holy Spirit.
What you need to understand is that the whole reason that Debs has this blog, is because she is a watchman on the wall. This can be a very difficult job Micheline, Debs (as you have seen) is often attacked and threatened for exposing false teaching and false teachers. This is not a job for someone with a weak heart (spiritual) and Debs is absolutely passionate about doing what she does for Jesus.
I would agree that there are times when we can waste time ‘casting pearl before swine’, but that is more on a one to one basis with someone who will not listen to the truth. What Debs does here is something completely different, and it is her calling. In fact a watchman’s job is not only very difficult, but it carries much responsibility to the Lord, it is a very serious thing.
The following is a good link for you to read
1 Again the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman:
3 If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;
4 Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.
5 He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.
6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman’s hand.
7 So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.
8 When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
9 Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.
@ Truthful Conversation:
Thank you so much for the beautiful explaination. You have taught me something today.
I think I was harping on about ‘casting pearl before swine’ as you mentioned and therefore my ‘dust your feet and move on’.
Thank you once again for your kind words.
Blessings to you.
The Lord uses whom He will to teach us what He wills us to learn. You seem to be open to learning truth from God, I sense you have a gentle and humble spirit. I wrote to you what I felt the Holy Spirit led me to write, and it gives me great joy that you have been accepting and grateful. May our Lord continue to keep you in His peace, and may He guide you into all His truth and knowledge. God bless you sister.
The updated day says 2000, are you that ignorant, or do you just like to cast stones just to cast stones?
>> The updated day says 2000, are you that ignorant, or do you just like to cast stones just to cast stones?
Did you get your lesson on name calling from Jacob Prasch?
I don’t think it likely that Jacob Prasch will apologize. For his sake I wish he would. But no-one attacks that vehemently unless he is 100% convinced he is right. That means if there is any apologizing to be done, he’d consider it ought to be from the side of his detractors.
That’s not jumping to conclusions about him. It’s merely being logical.
As Christians, the Bible ought to be continually correcting us. We cannot go to it thinking we can pick and choose what it says where and when it suits us. People who think they can, like ecumenists, reckon they are right and those who see the Bible in black-and-white (where it is so) are bigots, ignoramuses and intolerant. That’s why they feel justified in railing at others. It’s why they see their arrogance as humility–just as political liberals do.
You will find that ecumenists, also like political liberals, are very tolerant but only with those agree with them. Otherwise they are blatantly intolerant.
The really scary thing is, they can’t see it. So how can they repent of it?
Satan cannot repent because he is totally convinced that he is right and God is wrong.
C.S. Lewis was definitely right on the point where he maintained that when relgious men consider themselves to be humble they are at their most proud. There’s much with which I disagree in his writings but he was right when he had that view of the high churchmen and ecumenists.
We are to love our neighbours as ourselves. Jacob Prasch clearly does not. I know he would mind very much if someone railed at him, which shows he is not judging others by the same yardstick by which he would like to be judged.
How do I know that? I know through his vehement attacks on those who merely disagree with him! So I can only begin to imagine would he be like, then, if someone vehemently attacked him.
It’s not only the Loyolas, Calvins, Hitlers, Stalins, Arafats and suicide bombers who have gone to their deaths unrepentant and blindly convinced of their stances. So have many of the advocates of liberalism and ecumenism.
Therefore, I no more expect Jimmy Carter or the last Archbishop of Canterbury to repent any more than I do the above tyrants. Carter and Williams are as convinced of their stances as those despots. It would be wonderful if I am proven wrong. But when I think of what Jesus said of those who did many wonderful things, and cast out demons in His Name, I really don’t think I will be.
As I can’t see any diffence in attitude of those I’ve mentioned above to that of JP, I think if we expect him to apologize, we will be in for a long wait.
Read the latest rant and put down by Jacob Prasch to a very godly woman who has dared to question Prasch’s made up convoluted doctrine about the Restrainer. Prasch changes the goalposts to suit himself and heaps on the insults. Prasch has always previously corrected those who say the tribulation is 7 years but now suddenly it suits him to say it is a 7 year general tribulation. Complete hypocrite.
As much as I do not agree with the above websites doctrine, I totally disagree with the way Prash has treated Treena. But it’s normal and she must get used to it if she wants to continue questioning Jacob Prasch. See here: https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2016/06/11/pre-trib-suppressing-truth-unrighteousness/
I can’t tell, is this place Christian???