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Defence from the Attacks of Jacob Prasch and Moriel Ministries

Jacob Prasch - Moriel Ministries

Jacob Prasch from Moriel Ministries

Discerning the World – Defence from the Attacks of Jacob Prasch and Moriel Ministries

Since exposing Jacob Prasch from Moriel Ministries on Discerning the World here:

  1. Jacob Prasch – Twisting Scripture the Midrash Way
  2.  Jacob Prasch the Railer
  3. Jacob Prasch – But By The Grace of God [those Calvinists] . . . Tell The Truth!
  4. Jacob Prasch & Chuck Missler – Preach the False Teaching of Demonic Nephilim returning in End Times
  5. Moriel Ministries and MIDRASH

Jacob Prasch from ‘Moriel Ministies’ threatened me with a cyber war, he said,  “I could declare cyber war on you in retribution but I shall not. Our website and BE ALERT only contains things worth the while and you have no value except in the service of your father the devil.” (2012/11/28 at 8:56 am) .

It appears he didn’t use his website to attack me, but opened a new website to do all his dirty business on.  The website in question is called:    http://www.deborahduranddiscerningtheworld.wordpress.com/2012/12/12/who-is-deborah-from-discerningtheworld-com/

Jacob Prasch (and friends) posted 5 vicious attacks against my personal life, my health and insinuated that he claims he knows where my husband works.  A complaint was laid by someone other than me to WordPress to investigate the author of the blog.  Wordpress did not hesitate to remove the blog from the internet.

After Jacob Prasch (and friend’s) website was closed down by WordPress they actually went and bought a domain to host the website on his own server.  www.discerningdeborahdurand.com. So he is now paying cash to defame me with lies.

Jacob Prasch unfortunately has a habit of doing this to people who expose this false teaching. Instead of writing a biblical rebuttal he attacks them in the most vicious manner with terrible twisted lies.   He has done this too so many people out there, people who have exposed his false Hebrew roots teaching,  you just need to Google to find out who he has attacked and how many.  It’s quite sad actually.

Jacob Prasch tells everyone it’s not him who did this, but if you read the information on the site they actually speak about themselves as ‘Moriel will continue to just ignore her‘ etc.  The best evidence I have that this is Jacob Prasch and Moriel Ministries doing is the coding of the website.

Moriel Ministries used Rapidwever to create their own Moriel Ministries website:

MorielMinisties - Rapidwaver

Moriel Ministries used Rapidweaver again to produce this evil website about me:

DiscerningDeborahDuRand- Rapidweaver

Rapidweaver is website design software that your use on an Apple Mac pc only.  What a co-incidence that Moriel’s website is built on an Apple Mac using Rapidweaver software and so was this nasty website about me.

Kinda obvious…

NEW Note:  As of the end of 28 February 2015 Moriel Ministries did not renew the domain payment for the website they created about me and Moriel has removed the website from the internet.

UPDATE:  25 Jan 2016:  Jacob Prasch from Moriel Ministries takes another swipe at me here:  http://nopretrib.com/good-fight-ministries-responds-to-paul-wilkinson/

UPDATED 15 July 2016:  Whooops there Jacob goes again…this time insulting Tom Lessing as well.  Notice how he supposedly forgives me before and after he insults me. http://nopretrib.com/good-fight-ministries-responds-to-paul-wilkinson/?replytocom=2976#respond.  One can only be thankful that Jacob Prasch is not a doctor;  everyone who suffers from illness and disagrees with him he would call possessed and mentally ill.   Is he hitting me below the belt, yes he is, but he must carry on, the more he insults me the more people will realise how evil he is and run away from him.

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51 comments to Defence from the Attacks of Jacob Prasch and Moriel Ministries

  • Martin Horan

    Thanks for the above, Deborah.
    I know the Midrash and I occasionally read Edersheim and have recently gone back to Josephus. I hasten to add, that I do not believe for a nanosecond that these writers contribute anything to Scripture.

    For one thing, Josephus did not believe Christ was the Messiah! As you know, I have called myself a Christian Zionist on these posts and from my own Jewish connections (though I was a Catholic) I will always be pro-Israel and pro-Jewish. But for me, this Midrash stuff–which I have enjoyed delving into–being joined to Christianity is Judaizing. The Apostle Paul castigated the Judaizers in no uncertain terms.

    I have occasionally read Moriel Ministry’s stuff and listened to Jacob Prasch speak. I thought him a nice guy though I disagree with much of what he has to say. But I am appalled at this attack on you. I admit that I would expect such a thing from Calvinists–having personally been accused of still being a Catholic from a Calvinst; while he follows Augustine!

    I know what it is like to have been seriously ill, as I was recently. But to have one’s mental state questioned because of it, is not only an ad hominem statment which is bad enough but it is disgusting! If your detractor had the intelligence he would never have stooped so low. Any true Christians would never have come near to contemplating such a thing. It is utterly inspired from the pit of hell. A person who plummets to the depths of such an underhand way to discredit another–whatever beliefs they hold–is plainly demonic, (that underhand way is demonic, not the person themselves.)

    We are told to love our enemies, to bless those that curse us and to pray for those who spitefully abuse us. Obviously your attacker has overlooked that in Scripture. Perhaps his study of the Midrash and Josephus has clouded his thinking towards that very basic Bible text. Obviously he has never considered 2 Tim 3:16 which would show him he doesn’t need the Midrash nor anything other than Scripture. There again, he may not even believe that Scripture as, to judge by his personal attack on you, he has ignored several Scriptures which are very obvious to a truly converted Christian.

    As for his cheap jibe at your mental state (exposing his own mental state!): you’d think if he honestly believed you were mentally unstable that he would not have mentioned it but got on his knees to pray for you. In fact any decent person of any religion or none would not have stooped so low.

    As I’ve said before, Deborah (and by the way, I’ve didn’t know your surname till now and didn’t care because it bears nothing whatever on what you write): I’ve admired your logic and how you are never distracted from the actual points. Your logic alone testifies your soundness of mind, even if you weren’t contending for the faith and were merely arguing philosophically. As your detractors cannot see something as blatant as that, it makes me worry for their own ability to reason properly. I must remember to pray for them. I’m not being sarcastic. I mean that genuinely. They are in serious spiritual trouble.

    One thing that crass vituperation does show is that such people who revert to it have an unrepentant attitude.

    I do admit to one thing, Deborah, that I am thankful for that foul approach to you (my dear friend–for you are a friend although we have never met; we will soon!) becasue it reminded me of how we true Christians are to be hated as Christ was hated, including from false brethren. I saw nothing but hatred in those comments. I have never come over any hatred in yours when you voice your beliefs. You always back them up with Scripture. Nor is anything extra-biblical or non biblical in your contending for the faith.

    Looking at both sides objectively, I will now be more suspicious of anything that comes from Moriel Ministries–which does go to extra biblical things to back their premisses–if I indeed bother to read anything from them at all now. So I have your detractor to thank for that too.

    My wife and I will pray for you and your health. Again I thank you for contending for the faith and for sharing it with the rest of us. It keeps us on the alert in these Last Days.
    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again now: Keep up the good work. Many of us are grateful though the devil hates it.

    God bless you.

  • Linda

    Hi Debs

    Just ignore this man honestly as I was reading I thought to myself this man needs salvation; he needs to have a personal encounter with The LORD. He needs to examine himself, as we all should from time to time. What he says will not take away your relationship with our LORD and Saviour JESUS CHRIST. Romans 8:31,33-39.

    Linda

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Thank you Martin. *hugs* We will meet one day that is for sure!

    Last night I prayed that this website they opened up will backfire and they will expose themselves, that every move they make against me will not prosper but work against them instead. I only have Jesus to reply on and I know He is watching over me, protecting me and giving me the strength to press on.

  • Robbie

    Yea Debs.

    What I thought about while reading this was the “boasting” of Paul and the how it relates.

    “Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft.
    Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one. Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep; In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren; In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.

    When we choose to truly walk in faith we are liable to suffer and lose more than just friends. No one proved more to me that obedience is better than sacrifice than you Sis.

    Martin, you became a real pillar too…

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Linda

    >> What he says will not take away your relationship with our LORD and Saviour JESUS CHRIST.

    Thank goodness for that, because I am assured of my Salvation and my fruit and the gospel I speak testify to this. Being ‘assured of their salvation’ is something Jacob Prasch does not believe in. Moriel believe you can lose your salvation, I wonder where they think they stand with God after they wrote this website? hmmmm…ponder, ponder…

    Thank you so much for your comment!

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Love you Robbie, you are a genuine brother in Christ and been there for me all the way. We too will meet one day soon!! :)

  • Redeemed

    Martin, thank you for your statement – I say thank you because your words echo my thoughts exactly – I say a big AMEN!

    You are absolutely right – the source of this attack on our sister is demonic to the core and directly from the very pit of hell. And it is launched because she has the courage to speak the truth and expose what others have failed to expose and in fact have even condoned in blind loyalty to a man.

    This is dangerous ground because our God takes notice of this and He will deal with those who attack His beloved who is being attacked for simply daring to expose error regardless of whose toes it steps on.

    Instead of receiving the truth they become desperate and resort to vicious tactics that even the world would condemn as unethical and beyond the pale!

    They were caught red-handed with the Doug Harris prayer request, referring to him in glowing terms as a respected apologist when he is a documented ecumenist. Then they try to cover it up. This is dishonest. And they call those who exposed it liars.

    There were no personal attacks here on this website. It was all about the teaching and the truth. But the response is to launch a cruel and deeply personal attack using information shared to someone posing as a trusted friend. And also based on information from bad sources. Incredible!!

  • Redeemed

    I would like to address the necessity for anonynmity for which Deborah is blasted. This episode should make the reason for that crystal clear. First of all, Deborah is under the direction of her husband which is biblically correct.

    Secondly, whether she discloses her identity or not has nothing to do with the credibility of what she posts. She backs it up with scripture. The reason others are so gung ho on identity is because they are impressed by “credentials” and titles and authorship of books and the recommendations of others in a particular “network” of shared platforms and “mutual backsscratchers”.

    Thirdly, and very sadly, it can come down to personal security and safety.

  • Michael

    Debs, my dear sister be encouraged…Jesus chose 12 disciples and one of them sold Him out to His enemies for 30 pieces of silver…can one imagine how that must have hurt Him. We are not called to be popular.
    You have stuck to the scripture in your heart…that I know and you will be attacked from all sides for that.
    You and I have shared a few things and I know your absolute integrity when it comes to your true love for what’s right in the scriptural sense. I have always admired courage and integrity especially when it’s standing up for the souls of the lost.

    Thank you Martin, you have summed it up well.

    Keep up the good work Debs and you are constantly mentioned in my prayers.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Thank you Redeemed for spelling it out for ‘those sneaky eyes’ reading the blog. I hope it sinks in.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    *hugs* Redeemed

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    *hugs* Michael. We too will meet one day very soon! :)

  • John Chingford

    Re no 10 above:

    Redeemed said:
    “I would like to address the necessity for anonynmity for which Deborah is blasted. This episode should make the reason for that crystal clear. First of all, Deborah is under the direction of her husband which is biblically correct.

    Secondly, whether she discloses her identity or not has nothing to do with the credibility of what she posts. She backs it up with scripture. The reason others are so gung ho on identity is because they are impressed by “credentials” and titles and authorship of books and the recommendations of others in a particular “network” of shared platforms and “mutual backsscratchers”.

    Thirdly, and very sadly, it can come down to personal security and safety.”

    Hi Redeemed, You are absolutely correct: I will echo what you have said.

    The straw man tactics to take attention off Jacob are strongly at work here. They are trying to sidetrack and deflect the important issues by changing the subject or by trying to discredit ALL of us as cowards who hide in secrecy and therefore have NO CREDIBILITY to say anything.

    Is this all they can use to discredit us “secrecy”. They are really scraping at the very bottom of the barrel. What difference does it make? The proper question to ask is “are we speaking the truth, do we have firm evidence, do we base everything we say on what God tells us in HIS Word? The answer to these is YES. Do we need credentials and accolades by mere men before we can speak the truth? Of course not!!!

    Anyway, what secrecy??? It seems clear that Deborah is not using an alias.

    So what if she did use an alias???

    In this day and age, with all the evils on cyberspace, site owners need to restrict private and confidential information (as much as possible) because there are a lot of evil/crazy people out there who may even try to kill you (if they had the chance). By retaining/holding back some personal information such as addresses, date of birth, even photos, you can restrict the damage they can cause you.

    I am sure many other discerners may well use anonymous names (just like the false discerners such as the author of that new slanderous blog)to protect themselves from possible lawsuits or even physical harm from weird or sick people.

    In these days, watchmen need to exercise much wisdom on the internet because they are at the mercy of absolutely everyone throughout the world if they divulge too much private information about themselves. Therefore, retaining some private information is a MUST.

    The advantage of blogsters retaining some privacy (even anonymous names)is that they can be completely candid and bold in what they say, knowing that they are much safer in exposing false teachers, heresy etc from any type of threat (physical or legal), when they do so.

    Jacob has even ALREADY tried to obtain MY personal address by subtle, stealthy ways. Why? What is his motive? Does he want to publish our addresses or send emails to certain people so that we may be attacked in our homes?

    They may say that we are called to suffer for Christ. that is true, but should we make it easy for our opponents to persecute us? The NT teaches (or implies) that we should avoid persecution, if we can, but if not then rejoice in your sufferings.

    Quite honestly, I am not bothered by these silly comments by Jacob and his cohorts. They do not “hold water” and any sincere seeker of truth will see right through him as the REAL fake (oops an oxymoron, lol).

    Actually, the one who states that Debs is using an anonymous HIMSELF retains anonymity on his blog. He criticises her, but he does the same things. Is it wrong or wise to retain some anonymity, anyway, based on what I have said???

    Again, Jacob and his mates are simply using that argument and other straw man arguments to deflect attention away from the FAR GREATER evils practiced by Jacob.

  • Martin Horan

    My pleasure, Redeemed. I’ve enjoyed reading your posts too. Keep them coming. God bless.

  • Martin Horan

    Thanks for saying so, Michael. I’ve been enjoying your comments too. This site has been a blessing to me. God bless.

  • Holly G.

    @ Deborah (Discerning the World): (maybe use this message).

    Seems like the more I read, the more we have in common. I briefly messaged that website once, (sorry – pathoftruth.com) not knowing who they were, regarding their use of the “Message”. By the manner they answered me back, I carbon copied some friends when I replied, but this did not deter them, they were of the same manner as Jacob Prasch, and worse. They brought more people in, went to my facebook page, told me that God had killed my husband (he had just died that year) and that he wasn’t saved. That I did not have the Spirit, and that the Lord had given my missionary mom cancer because she and my dad were not saved. (He read a journal from their recent mission trip to Lebanon), she had cancer, but wanted to do the trip, and she had 2 forms, stage 4. Wasn’t looking good. But she went on her trip anyways, and as she went to her cancer treatments, took gospels of John and Romans and prayed for people and gave them gifts and planted and watered wherever she went.

    It wasn’t terribly hard to see how these people did not display the love of the Lord. Neither does Jacob Prasch, not to you, or not to me when he called Christ’s judgment to come down on me quickly (the liar my words proved me to be).

    But I wouldn’t answer a fool according to his folly. You are doing right by answering him here, and exposing his unfruitful deeds to the light, I am not saying that, but do not let him get you riled or upset. He is in the wrong here, he is abusive both spiritually and otherwise.

    I do hope he somehow knows the Lord, and turns back to Him, because He sure doesn’t display sound speech that cannot be condemned.

    Will be praying for you…. God bless you…

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Holly

    >> I briefly messaged that website once, (sorry – pathoftruth.com) not knowing who they were, regarding their use of the “Message”. By the manner they answered me back, I carbon copied some friends when I replied, but this did not deter them, they were of the same manner as Jacob Prasch, and worse. They brought more people in, went to my facebook page, told me that God had killed my husband (he had just died that year) and that he wasn’t saved. That I did not have the Spirit, and that the Lord had given my missionary mom cancer because she and my dad were not saved.

    Oh gosh, those guys are bad news… like hectic cult bad news.

    >> You are doing right by answering him here, and exposing his unfruitful deeds to the light, I am not saying that, but do not let him get you riled or upset. He is in the wrong here, he is abusive both spiritually and otherwise

    Yes, that was my plan to answer him on my site, and once I had answered him I had to calmed down. I did a lot of praying!

    >> Will be praying for you…. God bless you…

    Thank you so much!

  • Carolyn

    Deborah, this is my first time commenting. Have read some of your posts in which I find some good honest contending for the faith, Scripturally backed up and logically discussed. I appreciate your forthright answers.

    I myself have been ruthlessly slandered because of the faith and then of course, those doing the accusing can manufacture distortions about your character to back up their own hatred and bitterness. As you said, you’re not perfect, and none of us are perfect (except by faith in Christ).

    I would be surprised if you weren’t attacked because of your stand for truth. But it’s ugly when it comes, isn’t it? And surprising who and where it comes from. Just know that we stand with you and we believe you.

    2 Timothy 4:16-18
    King James Version (KJV)
    16 At my first answer no man stood with me, but all men forsook me: I pray God that it may not be laid to their charge.
    17 Notwithstanding the Lord stood with me, and strengthened me; that by me the preaching might be fully known, and that all the Gentiles might hear: and I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion.
    18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

    I agree with your stand on Calvinism. Have found some very disturbing backlash whenever speaking the plain words of Scripture. They can get a little bit nasty. And sometimes it’s just easier to go along to get along. That’s to our shame.

    God keep you in his love. Watching with you in prayer and standing for Truth, Carolyn

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Dear Carolyn

    Thank you so much for commenting. Your words are very much appreciated and touched my heart.

    *hugs* to you

    Debs

  • Tom Lessing

    Atheists are apt to use some of the foulest language when you try to convince them of the existence of God. Calvinists aren’t any better. They don’t use foul language but shower you with names that belong to Satan, his demons and the pit of hell which is much worse.

    When I recently joined a group on Facebook I was told that a friend warned the moderator against me and my views on Calvinism. To my surprise I was allowed to join the group but I did not last long. The moderator of the Facebook group “Let’s learn together/Kom ons leer saam” after having debated them on the demerits of Calvinism eventually called me an Antichrist, DTW note: Names had to be legally removed [Edited in it’s place: Those 2 Calvinists from fortheloveofhistruth.com] called me “evil and beyond,” and some even referred to me as a bloodthirsty moron. They resort to bad behaviour and loudmouth tactics when they fail to answer your questions. If we had lived in the time of Calvin they probably would have burnt me at the stake.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Hi Tom *many hugs to you*

    Engaging with these people is like talking to a brick wall, except the brick wall talks back with evil diatribe and even attacks with slander and lies and posts your cell number on the internet for all to see.

    We truly are in the last days where genuine Christians will be hated for preaching the Gospel Truth of Jesus Christ. They can’t stick to pointing out false doctrine, instead they become mean and nasty and resort to other evil tactics.

  • John chingford

    To all other readers who need to be advised the bottom line of our reporting.

    The purpose of this blog is to protect the multitudes from the wolves out there who are misleading and deceiving millions.

    we are not on any personal vendetta against any specific individuals. However, if these individuals are destroying our brothers and sisters then we just HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING. Debs is not defending herself to specifically protect herself per se but as a means to expose the evil preachers/teachers out there.

    Jacob Prasch (with every move) is exposing what type of wolf he is. This is why Debs has had to stand up and say something because JP is (through stealth) trying to deceive the people even more by telling lies about Debs and myself.

    By the way, you know the expression “it takes one to know one”? Well, with JP it is certainly true. He is the biggest liar of them all and has got so used to lying about his challengers that it has become second nature to him. He tries to take the spot light off himself by accusing us of lying. We ACTUALLY prove his lies with EVIDENCE. He claims we lie but has NO evidence – just simply made up stories.

    You cannot really NOW believe anything the man says. He is pure wickedness. The way he has deviously set up a new blog and used even those he himself despises JUST to protect himself from our exposing him and used it to spread lies about Debs does not demonstrate the man to have an ounce of integrity or love. I wrote to him personally by email trying to get him to see sense and to repent. However, the man has so much pride it is “beneath him” to apologise.

    This man needs to be exposed for the sake of all those who are being destroyed by him.

    Jacob WHY WHY WHY can you not humble yourself and in humility confess you have done wrong so that you will receive grace and forgiveness from the Lord.

    As it says in the “so called” Lord’s prayer “forgive us our sins AS WE FORGIVE OTHERS” and “if we do not forgive others, neither will the Heavenly Father forgive us” and “do not let a root of bitterness build up in you”. Jacob do you have a bitter or a forgiving spirit? If you will simply confess that you have done wrong then we are ONLY TOO KEEN to forgive you.

  • Redeemed

    I am appalled beyond belief at the betrayal, the personal attacks and accusations that go way beyond the pale of human decency let alone occur in the realm of those who call themselves Christian. This makes the dirty tricks of politians look like child’s play.

    Neither John Chingford or the author of this blog or any contributors have ever attacked Jacob Prasch personally to the best of my knowledge. Yet he carries out a vendetta of hate and vitriol, a campaign of hate that must make Satan salivate with glee.

    Again, I am SHOCKED to the deepest degree that anyone who calls themselves a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ would sink to this lowest level. The level of HATRED and ANGER is such that it smokes with the fire of hell. It is OBVIOUS that the attempt is to DESTROY the author of this blog by any means possible just because she has th courage to stand for sound doctrine and exposed the false.

    There are those who are holding her up in prayer and taking her cause to the very courts of heaven. We do not pray for the destruction of her enemies, but rather we pray for their conversion and turning away from these evil acts. As Deborah does, we do not return evil for evil. We are concerned for their very souls.

    The Lord is taking notice of this and His judgments will prevail. And those who are aiding and abetting in this evil act will give an account before Almighty God.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    The author of that blog is called Mystery, this is what Jacob has called himself – interesting…

    2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

  • Redeemed

    Satan is the father of lies.
    John 8:44
    You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.
    People quoting people who have printed lies about you and thereby perpetuating the lies. Then adding to those lies with false and twisted statements that are untrue passed to them by others. Lies, lies and more lies.

    God hates lying and classifies liars:

    1 Timothy 1:10
    for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for LIARS, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine,

    Revelation 21:8
    But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all LIARS shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

    We are to pray for enemies and no one would want anyone to suffer such an end, but this is the path they have chosen and unless they repent………you have forgiven even these vile acts which the Holy Spirit has enabled you to do. May that heap coals upon their heads and bring them to repentance.

  • Michael

    The human heart is a despicably wicked thing even in the regenerated. It is puffed-up with all sorts of hidden evils, pride hiding in all sorts of thoughts, actions and attitudes. It is selfish and very deceptive. It takes glory in self esteem,is egotistic,self-righteous and glorifies itself in intellectualism..

    The human heart in Christians is not exempt as it cleaves to spiritual pride and some good works often have hidden agendas. It lacks honesty and integrity.

    The human heart hates repentance, it accepts forgiveness at times but it is relunctant to give it. It hates true humility but cleaves to false humility.

    Little today is preached or said about dying to self and living for the Saviour, trusting His Word absolutely, entirely and faithfully. The human heart’s tendancy to go off in the wrong direction is fed with myriads of false teachings, interpretations and demonic forces.

    There is only one way for a true regenerated heart to treat it is to be absolutely honest and surrendered and believing in the written word and the saving gospel of the cross and LETTING and ALLOWING God’s Holy Spirit to help you.

    This ugliness mentioned above is what happens when we do not enter into the narrow gate and go off track. We neglect to listen to the Holy Spirit.

    Otherwise it simply comes from those who are FALSE and are definitely NOT born again.
    Their father is the devil himself and they flirt and are seduced by the demonic agents of the fallen world.

    I’ve come harsh here but it is just the simple truth.

  • John Chingford

    Hi Sister Debs

    “Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.” Matthew 5:11-12

    Be strong sister. JP and his evil cohorts are only exposing themselves – not you. Anyone with any intelligence/discernment/wisdom/common SENSE can see right through their false chirades and attempts at distorting things. It is so obvious what they are trying to do!

    Basically, they are attempting to take the heat/spotlight off themselves by telling people that NOTHING you say can be trusted, therefore, as a “mad” person you are fabricating everything. As I said about JP’s lies “it takes one to know one”. Well, the same can be applied to his claims on you being insane. JP is obviously an authority on what madness looks like.

    The FACT remains that THEY CANNOT DISPUTE WHAT WE SAY so like all cowards they resort to nasty underhanded tactics. Surely the readers can see the truth for themselves what is really going on. We have supplied proof/evidence of JP and his disciples false teachings, unChristlike behaviour and hypocrisis, so WE ARE telling the truth. They simply resort to “hearsay” as their evidence.

    Anyway, what if you did “occasionally” failed in portraying love on your blog (being an imperfect sinner redeemed by Jesus)? That is no reason to “rubbish” the truth of what you speak. You HAVE NOT lied about JP but told the truth (as we all have done) in as much grace as possible and because we have compassion for the multitudes being deceived by men like him.

  • Martin Horan

    I’ve just got on this bit of the blog, Debs. I had thought the JP was a reasonable man. I can see now that he is not. It is deeply saddening to think someone was a Christian then find you have been so wrong.
    I do not blame you for taking the matter seriously. But bear in mind, so does God!
    He will rip of the masks of such people sooner or later, whether they are false brethren, apostates or merely Satan’s messengers masquerading as angels of light.
    One thing, Debs, you have brothers and sisters in Christ who are praying for you. We fight against spiritual wickedness in high places. Yet, greater is He that is in you than he who is in the world.
    We should also pray for JP who certainly is influenced by demonic spirits. He is definitely deceived if he thinks that such behaviour is Christian. So we should pray against the demons that are getting at his mind.
    As each day dawns bringing such blatant evil on it’s wings with a vengeance, I am more certain by the minute that we are accelerating towards the Rapture.
    If Mr P can’t see that, he is very likely at least to be one of the virgins who who is going to miss the Rapture. At worst, he is an enemy of the Cross of Christ. Either way, he will end up in the Great Tribulation and we wouldn’t want that for anyone to happen so we should pray that he realizes what he is doing.
    Surely, it is not God’s will that any should perish. But that is up to those who are perishing as they have their part to play.
    God will preserve and protect you, Debs, because you are doing his work just now. He has a job for you. I’m fairly certain (though I don’t live on gut reactions or feelings), through what I am seeing happening in daily fulfilled prophecies direct from Scripture, that when your present job with DTW terminates, we will hear the shout and will be ascending seconds behind the Dead in Christ. I think you must know that too.
    Sometimes, when I am so down about such Satanic pressure which is so palpable these days, I home in on two Psalms. They are Ps 37 and Ps 73. Maybe it’s worth you meditating on them.
    You are on our minds, sister, and in our prayers.

  • Carolyn

    Truthful Conversation…feeling very blessed as I read your comments. Keep em coming!

    Debs: This whole business reminds me that we are in a war. God has rallied a few of his faithful troops to pray and stand on the Word, to remind you of verses like:
    2 Corinthians 12:10
    Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ’s sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

    Be encouraged, Debs. You are NOT doing something wrong. You are doing something right.

    This is what war is all about. Apathetic, carnal Christians won’t get the heat…but it seems by standing for Truth, you have stirred up a hornets nest. God has surrounded you with his angels. Here’s one promise to reply to your fears of retribution from men…
    Hebrews 13:4-6
    5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
    6 So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.

    When I stood for Truth…my mother and my brother(acting father) were my biggest antagonists. And the verse that the Lord gave me was:
    Psalm 27:10 When my father and my mother forsake me, then the Lord will take me up.

    When they couldn’t control me by undermining me and sabotaging me, they started plotting to commit me to an asylum…I can smile now at the absurdity of it, but that’s just how hateful, abusive and ugly it got for me. God put a few supporters in my life and put a hedge (literally) around me. They couldn’t get to me. Time after time, their misdeeds and plots were exposed so that I knew what they were up to and subsequently, I ceased talking to them. Cut them off.

    I could tell you so much more…but the bottom line is the Holy Spirit will help us no matter what. He will be your peace through it all. Sometimes he removes the thorn and sometimes he allows it.

    Even though I am shocked at this latest, below the belt tactic of Jacob P. and friends, I am not totally surprised because of my own perilous times. Satan is twisting everything to look like the opposite. Just remember…he’s the spirit behind it all. You are a threat to his kingdom and a threat to Jacob’s financial empire. Remember…when you hit a false prophet’s pocket book, you’re going to get the same reaction Jesus got when he overturned the money changer’s tables in the temple.

    The battle is the Lord’s…Be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might.

  • Anonymous

    Hello

    I am worried about things I read about Mr prasch. Please keep me anonymous as i have somthin to tell about email i receive from him.

    He tld me about you and this site and told us about showing the exact same other sites you list in this posting as defamaton of you. Then quickly afterwards that new blog is written. It Is from him.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Carolyn

    Indeed I am doing something right… and I will continue to stand up for the TRUTH.

    >> The battle is the Lord’s…Be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might.

    He most certainly is fighting this battle for me.

  • John Chingford

    re 42

    Hi anonymous. Thanks for the heads up. Interesting!

    I agree with anonymous. The wording on that mystery blog uses the same style and wording that JP used in one of his accusations about me on DTW and on my blog (some of which I did not publish). He DID use THE SAME WORDS and punctuation exactly! So I DO know that blog DOES belongs to JP or Moriel. I say Moriel because (in some cases)it looks like one or more of his colleagues is helping him with it, specifically to remove some (over the top) abusive and bad tempered words. It looks like (as in the same style of some emails I received from JP) the wording has been edited somewhat before sending. However, the essence is very much JP and/or Moriel.

    Just for clarification. Whenever I have directed my questions to JP it is also directed to Moriel because basically Moriel IS JP because they are under JP’s thumb and are ONLY allowed to write (under fear/duress?) what he allows them to.

  • Carolyn

    Debs: Me thinks that this JP thing has gone viral. Was surfing the net today and the ripples are getting wider. This site kinda summed it up again… http://ephesians511blog.blogspot.ca/2012/11/the-lack-of-discernment-in-jacob-prasch.html

    Still seeing many who want to turn a blind eye to his bad tempered behaviour. After all, it’s hard for Christians to believe that one of their own could be a delinquent especially when he has done so much for the cause of Christ in their minds? Unfortunately, for too long JP has been allowed to operate with an unconstrained tongue and rip anyone who might disagree with him. Let Scripture be the judge:

    James 1:26
    If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man’s religion is vain.

    And in a position of apologetics, even more important is a gentle approach:
    Galatians 6:1-3
    6 Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted. 2 Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ. 3 If anyone thinks they are something when they are not, they deceive themselves.

    In my surfing today, I discovered that some are excusing JP’s angry manner as just his way. Uh-uh…that doesn’t add up. He’s got a whole lot of pent up anger bubbling out of a heart/mind that is supposed to be exhibiting the fruit of the Spirit…
    Galatians 5:21-23
    22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
    23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

    And also what doesn’t add up is when someone has anger spewing from his mouth and then shifts the blame for his contemptuous attitude onto a scapegoat…which just happens to be Deb and associates at the moment. When he is threatened, he reacts. Not the first time. He excuses it by saying he’s not perfect. Well, that’s a lame excuse for an apology if ever I heard one.

    Serious times…keeping the whole thing before the Lord in prayer….and truth at the forefront…may we remain blameless
    …2 Peter 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

  • Ashley

    Hello fellow sister in Christ,

    I have not commented her in awhile but I did awhile ago when I found that yours was the only place that mentioned Theo and Bev Wolmarans. I am dealing with those followers here and have yet to mention them by name on facebook but I do tell my family that still supporst them that they are false teachers.
    Anyway, back to the issue at hand. I am sorry that they did this but it really is no surprise. These wolves did expose themselves by this vicious attack. Be encouraged that even if you do only have a handful off followers, that is better than leading millions to hell. We love and appreciate all you do for the Truth of God’s word.
    You are indeed led by the Holy Spirit as those of on here can testify to. For those who have left these cults/movements/etc., it is refreshing to find others like yourself.
    It really is disturbing that these people would try to find and publish your personal information as if it is any of their business. What other reason would they have to to this but to harass you and encourage others to do the same. So as others have said, this proves the necessity of your remaining anonymous.
    I also wanted to add that your diligence has been encouraging in assisting me in becoming more bold in exposing false doctrine. I’d suggest that the same is happening in many others as well.
    Keep standing firm, dear sister.
    God bless you abundantly. I will be praying for you and your family.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Ashely

    Thank you so much Ashely for your prayers! Thank you so much for caring!

  • Truthful Conversation

    Wow Debs, unbelievable.. do these people think we are stupid or what??!! Not a humble apology and recognition of wrong doing, just a bunch of silly excuses.

  • Carolyn

    Debs, have you read this article on Jacob Prasch at:

    http://www.seekgod.ca/jpupdate.htm

    Excerpt: “When I first researched Jacob Prasch in 1999, it was because I was sent his pamphlets and a few of his teaching tapes. He became one of many researched in the series “To Embrace Hebrew Roots”. Jacob’s responses over the last few years have been volatile and hate-filled, with name calling and a refusal to answer specific questions when queried by myself or by others, who chose to share that information with me. “

  • Laura

    I think this should leave very little doubt as to the fruit of this man. You are not the only one he is attacking. I listened to an excellent series by Dr. Scott Johnson about Hebrew Roots and in one of the parts he discussed the falseness of Jacob Prasch. Mr Prasch wrote a very rude bit about him on Morel calling him unlearned and a person who “rambles on”.

    Its so disgusting that he would go to such lengths so he can stamp his foot and play martyr. It is obvious you are correct about him since he is going to such lengths to attack you.

    His followers should be embarrassed.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Laura

    Thank you Laura for your comment. He attacks in the most vicious manner and tries to do it sneakily thinking people wont notice, but everyone sees including Jesus Christ.

  • S.E.Brown

    Tom Lessing wrote:

    Atheists are apt to use some of the foulest language when you try to convince them of the existence of God. Calvinists aren’t any better. They don’t use foul language but shower you with names that belong to Satan, his demons and the pit of hell which is much worse.
    When I recently joined a group on Facebook I was told that a friend warned the moderator against me and my views on Calvinism. To my surprise I was allowed to join the group but I did not last long. The moderator of the Facebook group “Let’s learn together/Kom ons leer saam” after having debated them on the demerits of Calvinism eventually called me an Antichrist, DTW note: Names had to be legally removed [Edited in it’s place: Those 2 Calvinists from fortheloveofhistruth.com] called me “evil and beyond,” and some even referred to me as a bloodthirsty moron. They resort to bad behaviour and loudmouth tactics when they fail to answer your questions. If we had lived in the time of Calvin they probably would have burnt me at the stake.

    Dear Brother, I KNOW how you feel. Last week I was called a bunch of names all because I was affirming our soon-coming rapture/departure from this evil generation. It made me LAUGH, because I always remember that these “name-callers” are actually helping to build up OUR rewards in Heaven.
    Remember what our Lord said when men persecute us FOR HIS NAME’S SAKE? Our reward will be GREAT in Heaven! They are, in REALITY,helping us to RECEIVE MORE, all because they persecute us!
    Rebukes are just fine, as long as we are Godly in our speech and manner I always figure that I’ve really ticked off Satan when people resort to the name-calling. Keep contending for the faith and may God BLESS you! I haven’t yet been called an “antichrist”, but it might be because I’m a woman, but “bloodthirsty moron” rings a more familiar note ;>)lol.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    SE Brown

    Yes, the rapture is being trashed and broken down and those who believe in it are now being trashed and broken down to such an extent that if you are not secure in what you believe you can easily give up your faith in Jesus. And the moment you start doing that I have noticed with everyone who has turned their backs on the rapture that they have resorted to all other sorts of doctrines of demons instead. It’s quite shocking actually to watch people literally go down south towards hell in the stuff they end up believing – the final result is that they become antisimitic.

  • S.E.Brown

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    SE Brown
    Yes, the rapture is being trashed and broken down and those who believe in it are now being trashed and broken down to such an extent that if you are not secure in what you believe you can easily give up your faith in Jesus. And the moment you start doing that I have noticed with everyone who has turned their backs on the rapture that they have resorted to all other sorts of doctrines of demons instead. It’s quite shocking actually to watch people literally go down south towards hell in the stuff they end up believing – the final result is that they become antisimitic.

    Dear sweet Sister (((Deborah)))-First of all, I PRAY with all my heart that you will be feeling better, gain strength,and REST in Him, because you are & have been the FAITHFUL SOLDIER Christ created you to be in these, the LAST of the Last Days!

    I have come to the conclusion that MOST,if not ALL of those who DENY God’s Word about the Harpazo,the Rapture, are:
    (A)Preterists who believe that they REPLACE Israel in our Lord’s End-Time plan

    (B)Calvinists/Catholics/CULTS of ALL shapes & sizes (ie- New Agers, JW’s, SDA’s, Mormons,etc…) who like to THINK that they are “christians”, but are DECEIVED by “the lie” that Satan told Eve from the very beginning: “Ye shall be as gods”. 2 Thessalonians 2 tells us very CLEARLY that the “Strong Delusion” sent BY GOD will OVERTAKE such as these AFTER the Rapture, so that they shall NOT be able to BELIEVE the TRUTH that is in Jesus Christ of Nazareth as King of kings and Lord of lords,BECAUSE they CHOSE to believe the lie, RATHER than having a LOVE for the TRUTH of The Gospel of Jesus Christ found ONLY in God’s Word!!!

    (C) Atheist TROLLS, agents of Satan, whose only “mission” in life is to try to DISPROVE God’s Word (especially God as ALL of humanity’s CREATOR),Jesus Christ of Nazareth(As the only begotten (and of a Virgin born) Son of God), His Atoning death on Calvary’s Cross(For the REDEMPTION & Remission of ALL sins of ALL Humanity), His resurrection 3 days later(Showing His ability to give to WHOSOEVER believes upon Him- ETERNAL Life and ESCAPE from Hell and The Judgment to come, and The Lake of Fire,( *and the soon-coming TRIBULATION, which will be “Hell on earth”)!!!

    (D)ANY combination of the 3 groups listed above^^^^.

    It doesn’t phase me whatever they say, because I’m “ROOTED & GROUNDED” in God’s Word and in His LOVE, filled with His Holy Spirit, and CONFIDENT of this very thing:That He Who began a good work in me will *PERFECT (*HARPAZO/RAPTURE*-when we are translated into immortality- physically, mentally, Spiritually,in ALL ways!)it till the DAY of Jesus Christ!

    It’s the very FIRST thing I heard and learned about when I stepped into a Bible-believing Christian Church for the first time in my life FORTY years ago! They just “happened” to be teaching on the 4th chapter of the Book of Revelation that Sunday night in a “Body Life” service. I went home, got down on my knees, begged Jesus Christ to take over ALL of my life, and have NEVER regretted even one moment of LIFE with Him as my Savior & Lord since that evening! Hallelujah!

    Our *Harpazo/Rapture* is about to happen very, very SOON, because He, Who LOVES His “Hand-picked”(by His Father) Bride, is as EAGER to take us to His Father’s House, as we are to be taken there to be with Him, our BRIDEGROOM, FOREVER & EVER-AMEN!!!!

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Jacob has attacked Phillip Powell, a long time friend because he challenged him on Midrash and then rallied Mike Oppenheimer and Bill Randles to come to his defense and pile on. I am very disappointed in Mike Oppenheimer – how can he be so blinded?

    Noties how Prasch tries to make nice with pretribbers who may have been offended by an article in the UK edition that called Darby a deluded heretic and in his book Shadows of the Beast where he insinuates that we are false teachers aka heretics.

    Seems things never change in Camp Prasch.

    ————————
    Moriel Statement Concerning Philip Powell
    MORIEL MINISTRIES – By James Jacob Prasch – October 8, 2013

    [Ed. Note: The following is a response to Christian Witness Ministries (CWM) October CWM-E-Mailer and another email that mentioned
    Shadows of The Beast specifically.]

    A recent attack has been launched by Philip Powell following his statement regarding Brian Gemmell, whose 10-day pre Parousia return of Jesus ideas borrowed from Paine & Ware we also decry as false.

    Philip Powell’s recent reaction to this Paine & Ware errors propounded by Brian Gemmell contained Docetic error that is even more serious than the errors promoted by Brian Gemmell. Docetism comes from the Greek term “docen” meaning “appears” or “seems”. There are different kinds of Docetism including the incarnational Docetism refuted by Ignatius in the early church, which taught Jesus only appeared to have a physical body. The Gnostic Docetism of the Gnostic Gospel of Peter was promoted four centuries later by Sabien. The Jehovah’s Witnesses have a resurrectional Docetism claiming Jesus only appeared to physically have arisen from the dead. Islamic Docetism teaches Jesus only appeared to die on the cross. We now have a statement we can provide anyone wishing to see it that Philip Powell and his accomplices denied that Jesus will return in His risen body despite Zechariah 12:10 and Revelation 1:7 stating His physical pierce marks will be visible. It was the erroneous contention of Philip Powell’s group that Jesus will return only in His Divine state as He appears in The Book of Revelation. This is theologically Docetic. Jesus will return just as He left according to Acts 1 in His risen body; not a doubly incarnated one, but the one in which He left. When challenged about his original statement Philip Powell then denied he was docetic and was forced to publicly climb down and revise his statement because as stated his remarks were heretical and cultic. It is uncertain to us if he is docetic in his beliefs but his statement is docetic theologically.

    In my own book Shadows of The Beast I have gone to the greatest lengths to stress the dangers of Gnosticism, the falsehood of rabbinic Judaism, and to cite the places the term Midrash is found in the scripture (four times as a compound term, ‘m-drash; literally “from the drash”) and the term ‘drash’ or “exegetically inquiring into” being used dozens of times in the original Hebrew text. I made it absolutely clear that the scriptural uses of Midrash as a hermeneutic is not to be confused with the midrashic writings of unsaved rabbis written centuries later any more than the later Gnostic gospels of Peter and Thomas should be confused with Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. More than 60 major conservative Evangelical scholars from John Lightfoot to EE Ellis to TS Doherty to RN Longenecker have contended Midrash explains how the New Testament handles The Old Testament.

    Philip Powell himself once did a cover article in his magazine promoting Midrash, but now brings the malicious and utterly false allegation that in authoring Shadows of The Beast, extra biblical and gnostic books were used to arrive at my doctrine. As anyone reading Shadows of The Beast can readily read for themselves, Philip Powell has deliberately and slanderously born false witness. No place in my book (or in any of my books) is midrashic or extra biblical books ever cited as a basis of doctrine or revelation and there are absolutely no quotes from the later midrashic writings of the rabbis which I firmly reject and which the book states I reject.

    Philip Powell has not told the truth, and anyone can verify that for themselves. Philip Powell cannot produce a single quotation from any rabbinic Midrash in any of my books including Shadows of The Beast. He has fabricated a defamatory and vicious untruth.

    The New Testament twice cites apocryphal books as a historical source, as I have and made reference to historical material in Josephus etc., but never once in my life as a basis for doctrine.

    Such blatant and demonstrable dishonesty itself reflects an ethical bankruptcy. However, the hypocrisy of publishing a promotion of scriptural uses of midrashic exegesis yourself and then attacking another for it adds unprincipled hypocrisy to the dishonesty with an aim of deceiving Christians.

    Philip Powell has been associated with our ministry for years and Shadows of The Beast is not a new book. It appears Philip Powell shifts his doctrine in accordance with his opportunistic agenda of the moment. One is left with the unfortunate impression that as a former Assemblies of God theocrat disowned by them, Philip Powell simply jumped onto the discernment bandwagon in order to have a platform to get back at the Assemblies of God establishment for booting him out of their club.

    More hideous is his newfound cause of attacking those who do not hold to pre tribulational rapture immanency as heretical and as false teachers. Again, he has known my views and those of others like me for many years and has never once raised the issue before until the theocratic politics of his game required a new straw to grasp at.

    In the Olivet Discourse when Jesus was asked for the sign of His coming He did not teach immanency but gave a long list if things that needed to happen first including the great apostasy (something Philip Powell always himself said he believed).

    The doctrine of immanency is that Jesus can indeed come at any moment for any one if us and we should live accordingly. Immanency does not necessarily have anything to do however with the timing if the rapture. To call heretics and false teachers those who take 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 literally – believing the Man of Lawlessness (anti christ) must come first is a ludicrous assertion since the bulk of the patristic historical evidence shows the pre Nicene church widely believed it and believed that the apostles taught it.

    To state that we should be looking for Christ instead of anti christ is like a pregnant mother to be stating I am only expecting a baby, not the maternal labor pangs and contractions that precede the baby’s arrival.

    I accept there are those who take another view, many of them solid brothers in faith and close personal friends, but we must remember that pre trib Scholars, authors, and theologians themselves admit a Pre Tribulation immanent rapture is not stated in scripture. Dr. John Walvord , former president of Dallas Seminary who is the intellectual patriarch of modern pre tribulationism and the doctrine if pre tribulational immanency admitted this in his book on the rapture and John Mac Arthur states ” the Pre Tribulation rapture is never stated in scripture but is between the lines”. Now however, Philip Powell, who is no sense a bible expositor, a Greek or Hebrew scholar, or a theologian – has come along and stated that those not accepting something that is not even stated in scripture is a heretic. This can only be described as the folly of a theologically ignorant man.

    My public challenge to Philip Powell is to produce a single place where I have ever even quoted from the midrashic writings if the rabbis or based a doctrinal position on any extra biblical source. If he cannot he publicly stands as a documented bearer of false witness with the malicious intent to deceive.

    I find this very painful and unpleasant. It was not a confrontation I ever desired. But false witness is false witness.

    We can no longer endorse the ministry of Philip Powell on ethical grounds nor sanction his church. We urge our readers to avoid him.

    In Jesus,

    Jacob Prasch

    Unedited :: Link to Original Posting

  • Bro. Nick

    Thank you for your sound warning about Jacob Prasch. I listened to him for a year or so and found his ‘bluntness’ very refreshing – but making excuses to myself about his abrasive manner of teaching, until a man warned me about the falsehoods of his teaching and beliefs.
    Only by the Grace of “the only wise God” – I did some research for myself – and also found out about his abusive manner and lies against those who ‘dare to’ oppose him and his beliefs – and I also found out about the great dangers of the ‘Hebrew Roots movement’ – and of his deep personal involvement and support of this growing heresy.
    My understanding is that the greatest danger of Mr. Prasch is that he is very intelligent – but he is also very arrogant (Proverbs 8:13 ~ KJV) – and most of what he says is true, or very close to the truth.
    It is interesting that he personally uses the phrase ‘there is real cheese in the rat trap’ – just as “Lucifer”, “the great dragon”, “that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan” said in the garden of Eden – and still does say TODAY:
    “Yea, hath God said . . . . . .”
    (Genesis 3:1 ~ KJV)

    How very thankful I am unto “the Lord God Almighty” for using your Ministry – and the few Biblically sound Pastors, Teachers, and Ministries that are willing to be Biblical ‘Watchmen on the Wall’ and tell the truth Biblically – for it is my understanding that what was Prophetically written some 2,500 years ago in “the word of the Lord” is happening RIGHT NOW:
    “Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land,
    not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water,
    but of hearing the words of the LORD:
    And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east,
    they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.
    In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst.
    hey that swear by the sin of Samaria, and say, Thy god, O Dan, liveth;
    and, The manner of Beer–sheba liveth;
    even they shall fall, and never rise up again.”
    (Amos 8:11-14 ~ KJV)

    – and that these few Biblically sound sources continue to give the STRONG WARNING that the Apostle Paul gave:
    “I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
    Which is not another;
    but there be some that trouble you, and would PERVERT the gospel of Christ.
    But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach ANY OTHER GOSPEL unto you than that which we have preached unto you,
    LET HIM BE ACCURSED.
    As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach ANY OTHER GOSPEL unto you than that ye have received,
    LET HIM BE ACCURSED.”
    (Galatians 1:6-9 ~ KJV)

    It is a fact that false teaching and “false teachers” are often very difficult to spot, and are much more destructive than most people realize, and these false teachings are becoming exponentially more frequent and “subtil” – which is why we must be evermore vigilant and pray for Biblical discernment in these increasingly evil times that we are living in – – – RIGHT NOW

    It is my Biblical understanding that we are definitely now at the point where EVERY pastor/teacher/ministry should be closely checked with Biblical discernment in accordance with Acts 17:11 and 2 Timothy 2:15 [KJV]
    – for there is such an exponential increase of ‘spiritual darkness’ because of people ‘falling for’ ‘FAL$E TEACHER$’ and ‘FAL$E PROPHET$ for PROFIT$’ and their teaching of non-Biblical delusions – deceptions – deliberate deceits – irrationality – and confusion – not only here in ‘Amerika’ – but all around the world
    – for that which happened before the first coming of “the Lord Jesus Christ” – the denial and mis-understanding by most of ‘the religious crowd’ is happening yet again – this time it is occurring before the appearing ‘in the air’ of “the Lord Jesus Christ” for the ‘pre-tribulation Rapture’ for His “church” – and then when He comes back to earth after “the time of Jacob’s trouble” with “the church”.
    – thus, my strong personal recommendation unto ALL of those who truly are “born again” ‘by Grace alone through Faith alone’ believers and followers of “our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ” must ALL learn – and remember – and most seriously think about – and apply that which C.H. Spurgeon wrote over 100 years ago –
    – DISCERNMENT is not knowing the difference between right and wrong.
    – It is knowing the difference between RIGHT
    – and ALMOST right.

    Please read the article written in 1666 by William Dell on ‘False Prophets’
    – ‘The Trial Of Spirits – Both In Teachers And Hearers’ | Apologetics Coordination Team (ACT) @ http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/thetrialofspirits.html

    It must ALWAYS be remembered by each and every truly Biblically “born again” believer and follower of “the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ” that “Lucifer”, “the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan”, “the adversary” and his ‘un-holy spirit’
    – that he and all of his “evil spirits” and “unclean spirits” have an undying total and utterly malevolent, evil, hatred of all mankind
    – FOR “the devil” and his followers are extremely wiley and “subtil” “deceivers” and master counterfeiters whose goal is to convince mankind that they do not exist – and he and his followers have been working for a long-long-long time in their intentional causing ‘spiritual confusion by deception’ by many-many-many ‘small actions’
    – for ‘It’s easier to fool people. . . . . . than it is to convince them they have been fooled’ –
    – ONE WORD – at a time
    – ONE meaning – at a time
    – ONE doctrine – at a time
    All working for – – – – – –
    – ONE confused and lost person going to HELL for eternity – at a time
    . . . . . . for . . . . . .
    – ‘things that are different are never the same’
    . . . . . . and . . . . . .
    – that Biblical truth is eternally “the truth”
    . . . . . . and . . . . . .
    – just exactly as the Apostle Paul WARNED:
    “A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.”
    (Galatians 5:9 ~ KJV)
    . . . . . . and . . . . . .
    – When a well-packed web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations – THEN “the truth” will seem utterly preposterous, and its speaker a raving lunatick
    . . . . . . and . . . . . .
    – ‘the majority is always wrong’ when it comes to ‘Biblical CHRISTianity – for it is clearly written in “the word of the Lord” that “the Lord Jesus Christ” personally WARNED:
    “Strive to enter in at the strait gate:
    for MANY, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.”
    (Luke 13:24 ~ KJV)

    YET – How very few there are that call themselves ‘Christians’ that truly and continually believe the BIBLICAL WARNINGS about “Satan” – that it is written in “the word of the Lord” that he is “full of all subtilty and all mischief”, and he will never “cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord”:
    “Be sober, be vigilant;
    because your adversary the devil,
    as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
    (1 Peter 5:8 ~ KJV)

    How many there are in these end times of exponentially increasing ‘spiritual delusions – and deceptions – and deliberate deceit – and confusion – and irrationality – and malevolent darkness’ ‘that Biblically are ‘FAL$E PROPHET$ for PROFIT$$$$$$’:
    “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers,
    transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
    And no marvel;
    for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
    Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness;
    whose end shall be according to their works.”
    (2 Corinthians 11:13-15 ~ KJV)

    Likewise, those who are truly “born again” believers and followers of “the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ” must know and always remember that “Lucifer”, “the great dragon”, “that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan” is an extremely intelligent, wily, malicious, absolutely evil and “subtil” master counterfeiter – with thousands of years of practice
    – AND that he and the “evil spirits” and “unclean spirits” are causing ever-increasing ‘spiritual confusion’ by the use of delusions, malevolent deceptions, deliberate deceit, and fear – for we are told in “the word of the Lord”:
    “Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
    PUT ON THE WHOLE ARMOUR OF GOD,
    that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
    (Ephesians 6:10-11 ~ KJV) ~ Please read and learn Verses 10-20 + 2 Corinthians 10:3-5 + James 4:6-10 [KJV]

    While the following was written to “Babylon” – it is my Biblical understanding that ALL Biblical CHRISTians should personally heed and obey the Biblical WARNING about ALL “false teachers” and their ‘ministries’:
    “And I heard another voice from heaven, saying,
    COME OUT OF HER, MY PEOPLE,
    that ye be not partakers of her sins,
    and that ye receive not of her plagues.”
    (Revelation 18:4 ~ KJV)

    ~ CAPITALization for emphasis of the “the word of the Lord” as they are “preserved” in the Holy Bible [KJV] – and the C.H. Spurgeon quote are mine – Bro. Nick

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Dear Bro Nick.

    Thank you for your comment.

    You said” – DISCERNMENT is not knowing the difference between right and wrong.
    – It is knowing the difference between RIGHT
    – and ALMOST right.”

    That is so true.

    You have to check everything, even us.

  • Brother Nick

    Carolyn – Indeed those who are truly Biblically “born again” believers and followers of “the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ” are in a 24/7/365 spiritual battle
    – and how much more so now than when you gave your Biblically sound WARNING:
    “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”
    (Ephesians 6:12 ~ KJV)

    Those few who really are ‘Biblical CHRISTians’ must constantly be Biblically spiritually vigilant in these increasingly ‘spiritually black’ end times of constant exponential increases of Satanic inspired and led attacks – about which I recently read a comment that was along the lines of
    ‘You Christians are in a full scale war – and you don’t even know it!
    You are being attacked by the evil powers of darkness through spells – and incantations – and musick – and symbols – and colours – and verbal semantics – and . . . . . .
    – yet you do not even know what is going on… because you are playing church!
    You will not read, study, or really believe “the certainty of the words of truth” that are written in the Holy Bible [KJV] – while Satan is going for your jugular vein!’

    Yet – How very-very few that call themselves ‘Christians’ there are that truly and continually believe and heed the STRONG BIBLICAL WARNINGS about the total and utter malevolent evil, hatred, and “subtilty” against all mankind by “Lucifer”, “the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan” – Just exactly as we are STRONGLY WARNED about in “the word of the Lord” – that “the Devil” is “full of all subtilty and all mischief”, and that he and his followers will never “cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord”:
    “Be sober, be vigilant;
    because your adversary the devil,
    as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
    (1 Peter 5:8 ~ KJV)

    Every one who is truly a ‘Biblical CHRISTian’ should read – and believe – and heed – and remember that which “our beloved brother Paul” WARNED about in “the word of the Lord”, the Holy Bible [KJV]:
    “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers,
    transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
    And no marvel;
    for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
    Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness;
    whose end shall be according to their works.
    (2 Corinthians 11:13-15 ~ KJV)
    .

  • Joe Salem

    sorry guys, I happen to believe in brother Jacob Prasch’s teachings. I may not agree with everything he says but more than 95 percent of his teachings are spot on.
    I am not interested in what the world thinks, nor do I believe Jacob does either, however I believe strongly in what the Lord thinks. the bible states clearly that there are no perfect people in this world …’all have sinned and fall short of the glory of god’ Jacob never claims that he knows everything as a matter of fact many of his teachings, he tells his listeners to test everything they hear even what he teaches….primarily because he understands that no man is infallible. He also states many times that we should have many teachers not just one because no one man knows everything and no one man can be right 100 percent of the time.
    the Bible is a huge book, as a matter of fact its 66 books its almost its own library, and I believe man needs more than one lifetime to exegete all the information that is in there. However I praise the Lord for my diligent and godly Pastor who tells me “joe we will not always agree on everything, the bible is deep and spiritual and not always crystal clear to understand so many will form certain opinions about different things, but so long as we agree on the salvific issues then we should be fine.” and I agree 100 percent. we were all created unique and different , and our brains work differently hence the differing opinions in this world. if you are a real Christian (which I’m not saying you aren’t) rather than attack a godly man who has given his life for the Lord (and that is very obvious, he is NOT a prosperity or word faith teacher)correction should be given in a gentle , patient loving manner, we shouldn’t try and defame or ruin anyones ministry just because they err in one area. if Jacob or Chuck were teaching like Joyce meyer or Joel Osteen etc, then yes name and expose them, but these two are valuable to the body of Christ and the church recognises this. in second Timothy we are told that “all scripture is inspired by God , and profitable for reproof, for correction and instruction in righteousness” , we are told to reprove and correct in a loving way (especially if it is to a brother in Christ)…what I see here in your website is not loving, nor is it kind and gentle! I have had both Jacob Prasch and Anton Bosch speak in our church and we value them greatly, and I believe the world needs them both as well as Chuck missler. I believe an attack like this is worldly and unnecessary and really makes us Christians look bad (leave that to the real false teachers on the godless channels, they do a good enough job).
    at the end of the day I wish to offend no one , but I don’t like these attacks . I think as Christians we need to be like the Bereans , we need to test every word we hear for ourselves and make up our own minds, remembering that we are all humans and all can make mistakes. But keeping in mind that Satan is on the prowl and this kind of bitterness is exactly what he loves and thrives on…he does this to cause division in the body of Christ and we should know better…heeding the words of Paul to stay sober and put on the full armour of God, watching carefully for when the enemy tries to draw us in.
    again I hope I have offended none of you, but rather pray for wisdom and boldness , love and kindness for all believers in our LOrd Jesus Christ as we eagerly await His return.

    God bless

  • Joe Salem wrote:

    sorry guys, I happen to believe in brother Jacob Prasch’s teachings.

    You are not supposed to believe in brother Jacob Prasch. It’s pure idolatry. So stop your idolatry. You are commanded to believe in Jesus Christ and his teachings who said that his Spirit would lead us into all truth and not truth mixed with lies. Satan is the father of lies (John 8:44). The notion that the Nephilim in Genesis 6 is the offspring of a fallen angels and earthly women, and the post-trib rapture are lies and I can prove it to you.

    None of us here have ever attacked Jacob Prasch personally. We have always evaluated his teachings on, for instance the Nephilim and the Rapture, in the light of Scripture. If you feel urged to warn and exhort, I suggest that you rather warn and exhort him. Why? Read here. So, if you want to be fair in your loving judgements, phone him and say to him “Get thee behind me Satan.” and ot top it add a God bless greeting.

  • Joe Salem wrote:

    the Bible is a huge book, as a matter of fact its 66 books its almost its own library, and I believe man needs more than one lifetime to exegete all the information that is in there. However I praise the Lord for my diligent and godly Pastor who tells me “joe we will not always agree on everything, the bible is deep and spiritual and not always crystal clear to understand so many will form certain opinions about different things, but so long as we agree on the salvific issues then we should be fine.” and I agree 100 percent. we were all created unique and different , and our brains work differently hence the differing opinions in this world. if you are a real Christian (which I’m not saying you aren’t) rather than attack a godly man who has given his life for the Lord (and that is very obvious, he is NOT a prosperity or word faith teacher)correction should be given in a gentle , patient loving manner, we shouldn’t try and defame or ruin anyones ministry just because they err in one area.

    Thank you so much for educating and telling us that the Bible is a huge book, consisting of 66 books. Hadn’t you told us, we would never have known because out brains work differently, as you say. You see, your brain says to you that the Bible has 66 books but our brains tells us it has 39 + 27 books, instead of 66. Our left brain registers the 39 books and our right brain the 27 books. So, once again, you have made such a profound revelation that we need to thank you again. So, thanks again from the bottom of our heart and brain.

    Since when do our brains work differently? Our brains work exactly the same way. In fact, like our blood circulatory and pulmonary systems, our brains work in the exact same way. If your’s don’t then you’re an alien from another planet. Have you ever though how confused and flabbergasted our doctors would have been if every individual’s brain worked differently? We would have needed a different doctor for every single individual’s different brain, not to speak of a different hospital, higher education institution and medicine. Our brains work in exactly the same way because it is merely the mechanism that conveys the messages that emanate in our spirit and soul. Aha, now we understand why it is necessary for the Holy Spirit, not only to regenerate our dead spirits when we begin to believe in Jesus Christ; He must also lead us into all spiritual truth by way of our regenerated spirit and soul, and again, He does it in exactly the same way for each one of us. He cannot reveal to one the truth and to another, another kind of truth or a lie. He reveals the truth in exactly the same way to every redeemed saint. So please don’t splatter us with your false humility in telling us what Prasch taught you, i.e. “joe we will not always agree on everything, the bible is deep and spiritual and not always crystal clear to understand so many will form certain opinions about different things, but so long as we agree on the salvific issues then we should be fine.” Please don’t blame the Bible’s alleged spiritual complexity for the lies Jacob Prasch and Chuck Missler love to tell you.

    So, its just honky-dory to agree on salvific issues but you (like Mr Prasch in whom you have put your trust) may call the Pre-Trib Rapture (the Blessed Hope) occultic, demonic and of the devil? Is that it? Paul received the Gospel (salvific issues), including the teaching on a Pre-Trib Rapture directly (without any human assistance or intervention) from Jesus Christ. Do you really want to say to us that we can agree on the one but shun the other, which by the way, is called “salvation to the uttermost?” (Hebrews 7:25). You must be kidding.

    And once again, please don’t educate us on how we should proclaim the Gospel in love when your false Messiah in whom you believe has lambasted, derided, and slated Deborah Durand in the un-Christlike manner he once did. I cannot stomach hypocrisy and so shouldn’t you, least of all a hypocrisy which you call “correction . . . in a gentle , patient loving manner.”

    I must say, I find your off-the-beat-Berean-like-kind-of-way to discern between truth and error rather amusing. If you are not a Joyce Meyer or Joel Osteen fan then you’re OK but when you are, you’re not OK. Why don’t you include someone like John MacArthur, the brainwashed Calvinist who believes Jesus only loves the elect and only died for them, and who Jacob Prash hails as someone who tells the truth. And by the way, this is squarely a salvific issue, in case you do not know.

    Look, my dear friend, you are welcome to comment here and rebuke us in a loving manner but please do so from Scripture, which, by the way, is the only correct kind of loving way. To make statements like “our brains work differently” is not a loving way. We cannot accept your rebukes when it comes from a brain that acts and functions differently from ours. What a load of nonsense. How on earth can you pray for wisdom when our brains are different? Their is only ONE wisdom which cannot possibly be interpreted in the same way by different brains.

  • Joe Salem

    You know, there are these guys and gals who come onto Deborah’s site to lecture, rebuke and give us a good old scrub off and then leave us never to say anything further again. I call them the once-off scrubber offers. You seem to be one of them. However, and this is also my very last comment to you, allow me to ask you. If Jesus spoke the truth when He said, “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy [entire] word is truth” how does it relate to what Jacob Prasch said to you ““joe we will not always agree on everything, the bible is deep and spiritual and not always crystal clear to understand. so many will form certain opinions about different things, but so long as we agree on the salvific issues then we should be fine.” Perhaps Jesus should have added a notice of correction and rather have said, “Sanctify them in those parts of your Word that only deal with salvific issues and encourage them to defile themselves in all the other minor issues in Scripture.” Will that suit your compromising disposition?

    Let me tell you to what this sloppy attitude eventually leads to. When asked “Why witness when we tell them Jesus loves them but did not die for them?”

    MacArthur: Well, you tell them whatever the Bible tells you to tell them, and the Bible tells you to go into all the world and to preach the Gospel to every creature, and that’s what we do because that’s what the Scripture says. Any tension you have between that and the nature of the atonement, any tension you have between that and the doctrine of divine election and predestination, any tension you feel between those areas, I feel. I feel the same tension. I ask the same question. I don’t know whether there’s some kind of quick answer to that question. I am, however, happy to concede that God can resolve things that I can’t. laughter and applause). Really, I don’t expect of you and you shouldn’t expect of me to be able to unscrew the inscrutable. You really don’t think that I am going to solve all the vast theological dilemmas that have existed since the Scriptures were penned.

    Interviewer: Actually, some people do.

    MacArthur: Yeah! (with a quick shrug of the shoulders and laughter in the audience). The best answer to this question is “my brother I feel your pain” (with a smugly satanic smile on his face.). That is the best answer to the question. (the audience’s laughter reaches a crescendo seldom heard in the holy chambers of Calvinists.).

    This is so typical of John MacArthur. He cannot give you any answers but when the audience applauds him, he gives them the best answer he can possibly give them.

    Imagine Peter standing up on the day when the Holy Spirit was poured out and saying to his audience:

    I don’t know how to make you understand what I am about to tell you. However, I am happy to concede that God can resolve things that I can’t. So, before I begin, let me tell you, brethren, I feel your pain. What pain? – you may ask. OK, here goes. Some of you standing here today are irretrievably bound for hell. [a burst of laughter in the audience]. Yes, yes, you may freely believe me because the Holy Spirit revealed this to me. Some of you are not as lucky as the others standing here today because you have not been chosen to be saved. Why? – you may ask again. The simple answer is because Jesus never loved you and did not die for you [another burst of laughter in the audience]. However, let me say this again, and please watch my lips curl into a satanic smile when I say it, I feel your pain. Really, I feel your pain as if I am already in hell with you.

    If Jacob Prasch was so concerned about salvific issues he would have rebuked John MacArthur from Cape town to Cairo and back. But no, he didn’t and why? Why did he instead rebuke MacArthur on his belief that anyone may take the mark the of the beast and still be saved? Well, because Prasch believes that the church (body of Christ; His Bride) is going through the tribulation and that some of the Calvinists among them will disseminate this abominable doctrine among unbelievers. Yet, Prasch hails MacArthur in the same breath as Dave Hunt as one of the giants among today’s pastors and evangelist who tell the truth. Had he rather said that anyone who follows the teachings of John MacArthur is bound for hell, I would have immediately seconded him. And with, I close my case. How;s that for telling the truth in love, Mr. Salem?

  • Joe Salem

    You said “I may not agree with everything he says but more than 95 percent of his teachings are spot on.”

    Firstly, are you telling me that if one day you disagreed with Jacob Prasch, you know the 4.9% you speak of and he came at you and called you every name under the sun. He could for instance say:
    “You Joe Salem you agent of satan, demon from hell, deranged, mentally disturbed, psycho, antiChrist, evil witch, etc etc etc etc etc,”
    are you telling me you would think it was GREAT and GODLY and then you could say to Jacob,
    “Ahhh Jacob, we are all human we all make mistakes I tell you what…I love it, carry on insulting me, it shows me just how much of a Godly man you are.
    In fact please inform us what your exact reaction would be, I can’t wait to hear it.

    Secondly, tell us about this 4.9% you don’t agree with, let’s see how devastating this 4.9% of false teaching is to the body of Christ.

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  • THE SITE IS PROVIDED ON AN “AS IS” BASIS WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO WARRANTIES OF TITLE OR IMLPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
  • THIS DISCLAIMER OF LIABILITY APPLIES TO ANY DAMAGES OR INJURY CAUSED BY ANY FAILURE OF PERFORMANCE, ERROR, OMISSION, INTERRUPTION, DELETION, DEFECT, DELAY, COMMUNICATION LINE FAILURE, THEFT OR DESTRUCTION OR UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO, ALTERATION OF OR USE, WHETHER FOR BREACH OF CONTRACT, TORTIOUS BEHAVIOR, NEGLIGENCE OR UNDER ANY OTHER CAUSE OF ACTION. YOU SPECIFICALLY ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT DISCERNING THE WORLD SHALL NOT BE LIABLE FOR THE DEFAMATORY, OFFENSIVE OR ILLEGAL CONDUCT OF USERS OF THE SITE OR THIRD PARTIES, AND THAT THE RISK OF INJURY FROM THE FOREGOING RESTS ENTIRELY WITH THE YOU THE COMMENTER.
  • IN NO EVENT WILL DISCERNING THE WORLD, ITS AFFILIATES OR ANY OF THEIR RESPECTIVE EMPLOYEES, AGENTS OR LICENSORS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR PUNITIVE DAMAGES, EVEN IF THEY HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES, ARISING FROM, RELATING TO OR CONNECTED WITH THE USE OR INABILITY TO USE THE SITE OR ANY OTHER MATTER ARISING FROM, RELATING TO OR CONNECTED WITH THE SITE OR THESE TERMS.

16. These Terms constitute the entire agreement between Discerning the World and you with respect to the subject matter hereof, and supersede any previous oral or written agreement between us with respect to such subject matter.

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