Angus Buchan, Benny Hinn and God TV

Angus Buchan

Angus Buchan, Benny Hinn, and God TV

I recently read an article written by Prof. Johan Malan in which he expresses his concerns about Angus Buchan. He says, amongst other things, the following in his article “Spiritual Deception, Revival and Angus Buchan – Prof. Johan Malan, South Africa (May 2010)” he says:

“It is obvious that the South African revival preacher, Angus Buchan, does have a relationship with Jesus Christ as his Saviour and experiences Him as a living reality in his life. He also exhorts thousands of people to repent, and helps families to reconcile with each other, which is praiseworthy.

On the other hand, worried voices are being heard that he reveals great ignorance on various aspects of biblical doctrines – to such an extent that he has embarked on the way of kingdom theology, the ecumenical movement, and even the promotion of dubious signs and wonders. On certain occasions he has made positive comments on false prophets such as Benny Hinn and Kathryn Kuhlman. His perceived ignorance on these matters is disturbing and even bewildering. . . .

The other questions relate to the kingdom deception which Angus proclaims to the crowds. How can he, according to his own insight, promise people that South Africa and Zimbabwe will be completely restored? In this regard he acts contrary to Jesus Christ Himself, who said that in the end-time there will be great tribulation such as has never been on earth (Matthew. 24:21). Someone who correctly understands the biblical message on the end-time would warn his followers against a time of great spiritual and moral falling away, while also mentioning the possibility of the persecution and rejection of evangelical Christians.

These matters are not part of Angus’s message. Neither does he proclaim the blessed hope of the rapture to Christians to encourage them to remain steadfast until the Lord Jesus takes us away to our heavenly home (1 Thessaloniuans. 4:16-18). The fact that so many people stream to the meetings of Angus is proof of the lack of leadership which the whites in South Africa experience in both the political and religious fields.

They are looking for somebody to come and lead the Boers. Even some of the Israel groups (British Israelism, or White Theology supporters) allege that Prophet Van Rensburg has referred to a leader who would lead the Boers to a Boer state where they can be free from domination by the blacks. Could this perhaps be the reason for the popularity that Angus enjoys? . . . He cannot even remotely be mentioned in the same vein as a revival preacher such as Andrew Murray. It is in fact highly questionable whether the movement which he describes as a revival indeed qualifies to be defined as such.”

If multitudes of men stream to the revival meetings of Angus Buchan because they hanker for a leader who can lead them to their “promised land” then I must add that their meetings, in the spiritual sense of the word, was a dismal failure from the very beginning, despite the fact that hundreds of thousands of men have attended them in the past few years.

Motive plays an extremely important role in God’s economy of revivals. A wrong motive will never move God’s hand to send a revival. I doubt very strongly whether He would send a revival when the motive is to find a leader who’s able to take the South African Boers to their “promised land” of hope and glory and peace and prosperity.

In many cases in the past revivals blossomed when circumstances were very hazardous and life-threatening. The motive of the Christians who prayed for these revivals was not for God to alleviate their suffering or even restore them to a place of safety. Their only motive was for God to convict men, women, and children of their sins and their lost status, and to call them to a biblically grounded repentance and a firm faith in the Gospel of Jesus Christ (Mark 1:15).

But isn’t that Angus Buchan’s main objective, to call a spade a spade (name the sins of his Mighty Men and those of our fellow countrymen)? That may be true but what is his motive? To dangle a carrot of hope, love, joy, peace and a prosperous future (God’s Kingdom in this life here and now) in front of his Mighty Men’s noses and tell them that this is what God promises when you stop sleeping with your secretary, stop cheating the receiver of revenue, kneel before your wife to plead for her forgiveness, is not revival. Neither is it when he teaches them that they are the manifest sons (and daughters) of God in Romans 8:19. It is not even the Gospel according to Jesus Christ. Repentance with the intent to improve your material and even physical welfare in this world tends to focus the eyes on self and its selfish needs.

Rory and Wendy Alec of God TV who has aired many of Angus Buchan’s Mighty Men Conferences are also constantly dangling a carrot of prosperity in front of their viewers’ noses. At the moment they are in alert mode and desperately in need of a “BREAKTHROUGH” in their finances to “break the chains” of their huge budget deficit and are pleading with their viewers to donate “sacrificially.”

To get them to put their hands even deeper into their pockets they have been using world-renown preachers such as Benny Hinn, Steve Munsey, and Cindy Jacobs to tell the viewers that their own breakthrough will only come when they give their money sacrificially. Wendy and Rory Alec - God TVThe same old message is on their lips every time you tune into God TV: “God will honour and prosper you ONLY when you sow a seed sacrificially.”

Benny Hinn bravely asserted that God’s promises for you will only come to fruition when you sow your seed in faith. That’s an infamous lie from the pit of hell because God says: “For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.” (2 Corinthians 1:20). These promises do not pertain to temporary things such as health, wealth (riches), prosperity and a country free from crime, corruption, and poverty.

“The promises of God which are made through Christ, relate to the pardon of sin to the penitentthe sanctification of his peoplesupport in temptation and trial; guidance in perplexitypeace in death, and eternal glory beyond the grave. All of these are made through a Redeemer, and none of these shall fail.” (Albert Barnes’ Notes on the Bible)

One of their major drawing cards to get you to donate £1,000 (+- R10,000), €1,000 (+-1 R11,000), or $1,500 (+- R11,000) is to recognize your generosity by putting your name on a foundation stone in their broadcast center. When you donate £30,000 (+- R330,000) €30,000 (+- R280,000), $50,000 (+- R380,000) or more they will place a Mezuzah with your name on it in one of the seven doorways in their Broadcast Centre.

Woe to you South Africans; your European, American, and English God TV families have a much better chance than you of having their names placed on a Mezuzah in one of the seven doorways in God TV’s Broadcast Centre. Their currencies are much stronger than your rand. Rest assured, if your name is written in the Book of Life because you have sincerely and truly repented of your sins and believe in Jesus Christ and His Gospel (as the Scriptures say and not as God TV says) your eternal life is secure.

You don’t need your name to be engraved on a plaque or foundation stone in Rory and Wendy Allen’s Broadcast Centre because you have given them R300,000 or more to allegedly help them spread the Gospel throughout the world. Moreover, you needn’t pay a single cent for your name to be written in the Book of Life because God’s salvation is free. It is a gift to those who receive it by faith through Jesus Christ who has paid the full price for all of your sins and transgressions. If anyone teaches you otherwise and says that you must pay something in order to receive God’s blessings, they are perpetuating the abominable lie of the Roman Catholic heretic, Johann Tetzel, who said:

As soon as the gold in the casket rings; the rescued soul to heaven springs [So wie das Geld im Kasten klingt; die Seele aus dem Fegfeuer springt]

How many people who watch God TV are getting the wrong impression about the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Patti Roberts, the ex-wife of Richard Roberts, became very disillusioned with her father in law, Oral Roberts’ “seed of faith” gospel. She called Al Bush, the President of the Oral Roberts Evangelical Association to express her grave concern.

Al, in the forty shows that we taped last year, how many times did we give people the plan of salvation?

The plan of salvation? Gosh Patti, I don’t know. Im, sure we must have given it to them at least once.

And how many times did we give them the principles of Seed-Faith?

He laughed. Patti, you know the answer to that. We give the principles of Seed-Faith on every show. What’s this all about?

Al, in the letters that you received from viewers, how many of them thought that maybe if they gave money to Oral, they had bought a little place in the Kingdom? How many may have thought that swayed God’s opinion about their eternal destiny?

He didn’t answer for a long time. When he finally replied he lowered his voice and said soberly and a bit hesitantly, A whole lot of them did Patti. (1) (Emphasis added)

Having heard again and again and again that the giving of money sacrificially or sowing a seed in abundance opens the door to God’s blessings, many of God TV’s viewers have already been led to believe that your giving opens the door to God’s salvation and his eternal heaven. Many donors may already have their names engraved on a foundation stone or a Mezuzah in God TV’s Broadcast Centre, but how many of them have their names written in the Book of Life? Nevertheless, I was surprised to see that when Jesus (a counterfeit Jesus) sent his disciples out to preach the Gospel He told them exactly the same things I heard on God TV. Jesus said:

When you enter a city the first thing you must do, is to tell people they need a miraculous breakthrough in their lives. Some need a breakthrough in their family lives; they need their marriages to be healed, their wayward and rebellious children who have run away from their homes to return to mom and dad. Others need breakthroughs in their dwindling businesses and finances and to take back from Satan what he had robbed them of. Still others need a desperate breakthrough in their health.

Don’t forget to blow the shofar like Steve Munsey on God TV because the shofar, as you know, opens heavens windows wide open when it is blown. Don’t feel bad about not knowing how to blow the shofar. Here is a recording of someone who is a professional shofar blower. All you need to do is to put your lips to the shofar and do some clever mimicking while you play the recording.

But here’s the punch line. Tell them I will ONLY, I repeat, ONLY grant them their breakthrough in the areas of their health, family lives and businesses when they donate huge amounts of money to you so that you may preach the Gospel. Make sure to tell them that everyone who does not donate sacrificially will receive zilch, nada, no breakthroughs form Me whatsoever. Also tell them that their names will be engraved on a foundation stone when they donate 30 000 denarii / shekels or more.

I cannot recall precisely where I read the above in the Bible but what I did find is the following:

He was telling them, “The harvest is vast, but the workers are few. So ask the Lord of the harvest to send workers out into his harvest. Get going! See, I am sending you out like lambs among wolves. Don’t carry a wallet, a traveling bag, or sandals, and don’t greet anyone on the way. “Whatever house you go into, first say, ‘May there be peace in this house.’ If a peaceful person lives there, your greeting of peace will remain with him. But if that’s not the case, your greeting will come back to you. Stay with the same family, eating and drinking whatever they provide, for the worker deserves his pay. Don’t move from house to house. “Whenever you go into a town and the people welcome you, eat whatever they serve you, (Luke 10:2-8 ISV) Then he said to them, “When I sent you out without a wallet, traveling bag, or sandals, you didn’t lack anything, did you?” They replied, “Nothing at all.” (Luke 22:35 ISV)

In the very next verse, Jesus actually commanded them to take a purse and a sword with them so that they may defend themselves on their long evangelical journeys and also fend for themselves when they needed to buy provisions. But He never taught them to ask for money in exchange for prayers or the blowing of the shofar so that the donators may receive a so-called breakthrough in their lives. Consider the widow who cast two mites into the temple treasury and whom Jesus honoured as the biggest giver.

Now Jesus looked up and saw rich people dropping their gifts into the offering box. Then he saw a destitute widow drop in two small copper coins. He said, “Truly I tell you, this destitute widow has dropped in more than all of them. For all the others contributed to the offering out of their surplus, but she, in her poverty, dropped in everything she had to live on.” (Luke 21:1-4 ISV)

She didn’t cast in all that she had into the treasury to receive a blessing, a breakthrough, a ten-fold or hundred-fold in return or whatever Word of Faith nonsense and lies. She simply obeyed God because she loved Him. What about Jesus’ warning in Matthew 6:3-5?

But when you give to the poor, don’t let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be done in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.” “And whenever you pray, don’t be like the hypocrites who love to stand in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they will be seen by people. Truly I tell you, they have their full reward! (Matthew 6:3-5 ISV)

But let us now return to Angus Buchan, who frequently appears on God TV and his revival messages. Of course, God can restore our country to a blissfully peaceful land but then again this is not the motive for a revival. The only motive for a revival is to be reconciled to an infinitely holy God who will never retract or rescind his righteous judgments on those who refuse to repent and believe as the Scriptures say.

As professor Malan indicated, Angus Buchan’s entire teaching is focused on the advancement of the Dominionist doctrine which promotes the idea that every single position of high ranking in politics, the economy, health, education, the media, and art must be occupied by “Christians” before Jesus can return. This is definitely not what Jesus taught. Jesus has already given his hope, peace, and joy to his followers but it is a joy and a peace that his Holy Spirit has entrenched in their innermost beings and nothing can take it away, not even the severest circumstances and persecution.

On the other hand, the peace the world gives, of which Jesus said He does not give, is contingent upon peace treaties, compromises, and flimsy promises and we know how easy these so-called peace treaties can be broken. Yes, it is also true that something that looks like a revival may occur but the question is: from whence does it come – from God or the deceiver who disguises him as an angel of light?

God honours but a single motive when believers pray for a revival and that is “To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. (Acts 26:18 KJV). The word “revival” implies that there once was spiritual life, growth and dynamism but has waned or teetered to a lifeless corpse which needs to be resurrected unto a dynamic life in Jesus Christ.

To the messenger of the church in Sardis, write: The one who has the seven spirits of God and the seven stars says this: “I know your works. You are known for being alive, but you are dead.” (Revelation 3:1 ISV)

Benny HinnProf. Malan finds Angus Buchan’s positive comments on false prophets like Benny Hinn and Kathryn Kuhlman disturbing and even bewildering. Personally, I think that Angus Buchan fits the Word of Faith and prosperity cult like a glove.

He may have indicated in the past that he has no aspirations to make money but is quite prepared to speak highly of Benny Hinn and Rory and Wendy Alec whose doctrine of salvation is steeped in the prosperity cult. Angus Buchan may have a relationship with Jesus Christ as his Saviour and experience Him as a living reality and exhort people to repent but then again Benny Hinn and Rory and Wendy Allen claim to have the same relationship with Jesus Christ and that they too are reaching billions with the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

If Angus Buchan was so concerned about lost souls, he would at least warn Benny Hinn of his false doctrines and Rory and Wendy Allen of promoting his false doctrines on their God TV. Angus Buchan would at least have been deeply concerned about the millions of viewers who are being misled by God TV. Let us now look at some of the heresies Benny Hinn has proclaimed in the past.

“I am a ‘little messiah’ walking on earth,” (2)

If Angus Buchan has made positive comments on Benny Hinn, as Prof. Malan says, then he is praising and revering a false Messiah. In my opinion, Angus Buchan should retract his positive testimonials of Benny Hinn in public because Hinn’s infamous claim is not only an affront to Jesus Christ but he (Buchan) is leading many people astray by encouraging them to follow a false Messiah. The Moreleta Park DRC favours the very same kind of policy which is to mollycoddle their Hinn-followers instead of warning them against him so as not to rock the boat. Here is a few other Hinn-claims-to-fame.

God came from heaven, became a man, made man into little gods, went back to heaven as a man. He faces the Father as a man. I face devils as the son of God…. Quit your nonsense! What else are you? If you say, I am, you’re saying I’m a part of Him, right? Is he God? Are you His offspring? Are you His children? You can’t be human! You can’t! You can’t!  God didn’t give birth to flesh…. You said, “Well, that’s heresy.” No, that’s your crazy brain saying that. (3)

Perhaps Angus Buchan and Rory and Wendy Alec would like to tell us whether they agree with Benny Hinn (whom they adore so much) when he blasphemously demoted Jesus Christ to a sinner (which implies that like any other sinner He was lost and needed to be born-again).

And let me add this: Had the Holy Spirit not been with Jesus, He would have sinned. That’s right, it was the Holy Spirit that was the power that kept

Him pure. He was not only sent from heaven, but He was called the Son of Man and as such, He was capable of sinning . . . Without the Holy Ghost, Jesus would have never have made it . . . Can you imagine Christ headed for the grave, knowing He would remain there forever if the Holy Ghost would change His mind about raising Him from the dead? (4)

My, you know, whoosh! The Holy Ghost is just showing me some stuff. I’m getting dizzy! I’m telling you the truth-it’s, it’s just heavy right now on me…. He’s [referring to Jesus] in the underworld now. God isn’t there, the Holy Ghost isn’t there, and the Bible says He was begotten. Do you know what the word begotten means? It means reborn. Do you want another shocker? Have you been begotten? So was He. Don’t let anyone deceive you. Jesus was reborn. You say, “What are you talking about?” . . . He was reborn. He had to be reborn…. If He was not reborn, I could not be reborn. Jesus was born again…. If He was not reborn, I would never be reborn. How can I face Jesus and say, “Jesus, you went through everything I’ve gone through, except the new birth?” (6) (Emphasis added)

Masonry declares the same heresy.

Jesus of Nazareth had attained a level of consciousness, of perfection, that has been called by various names: cosmic consciousness, soul regeneration, philosophic initiation, spiritual illumination, Brahmic splendor, Christ-consciousness. (7) (Emphasis added).

Benny Hinn’s “whooshy” extraterrestrial revelation is not only blatant blasphemy but an outright rejection of the entire Levitical  sacrificial system in the Old Testament which unequivocally proves that in the sin offering and all the other offerings the animals had to be without blemish, indicating that the One who’s “once for all offering” was eventually ratified on the cross, had to be and actually was sinless.

If the priest that is anointed do sin according to the sin of the people; then let him bring for his sin, which he hath sinned, a young bullock without blemish unto the LORD for a sin offering. (Leviticus 4:3)

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. (Hebrews 4:15)

If Jesus’ purity (sinlessness) was attributable to the Holy Spirit and not his own pure and sinless nature, it follows that every believer who has the Spirit of God indwelling his/her innermost being is also sinless. (1 John 1:8).

The title Son of Man does not mean that Jesus was capable of sinning. Had He in the very slightest been capable of sinning He would never have been able to pay the penalty for our sins. TheSon of Man simply means that He identified Himself with mankind to the very uttermost, even to the extent that His Father “made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. (2 Corinthians 5:21).

Some interpret this as Him being made a sinner for us in the real sense of the word, but again this is not what is meant here. It simply means that God made his Son to be a sin-offering for us in which His Father treated Him like a sinner. Not only mighty men like Angus Buchan are in close cahoots with Benny Hinn and his blasphemous doctrines. What about Chuck Missler? Has he “miss-ler-ed” the boat as well? His “seed of faith” was so important that Rory and Wendy Alec made a special announcement when they received his sacrificial offering toward the “spreading of the Gospel according to Benny Hinn, Creflo Dollar, Kenneth and Gloria Copeland, Joyce Meyer, Billy Graham, Peter Wagner, John Hagee, Joel Osteen and a host of other spiritual “VIP’s”.”

GOD TV’s viewers seem to be so hooked on the lie that their own “breakthrough” in the area of their finances, businesses, and families will come when they give sacrificially that they don’t care a hoot about sound biblical doctrines.

In God TV’s headquarters in Jerusalem Rory and Wendy Alec have set up a so-called uppermost room and a holy of holies chamber with a stone altar on which they place every “seed offering” they receive from their viewers in the form of a reddish colored sheet of paper.

The “altar” is also the focal point of their “prayers” which are frequently uttered in another tongue. No one ever interprets these so-called tongues which is yet another act of disobedience on the part of God TV. (1 Corinthians 14:27). What is the real purpose of the so-called “altar” in God TV’s headquarters in Jerusalem? It cannot possibly be a replica of an Old Testament altar because God forbad the Israelites to build an altar from hewn stone.

And if thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone: for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it. (Exodus 20:25)

The so-called altar in GOD TV’s headquarters is not a prayer altar but an occult “point of contact.” The “point of contact” paraphernalia (prayer cloths, handkerchiefs, photographs, prayer sheets, hems from garments, holy oil, shofars) are used to release the power to create wealth and to receive your breakthrough.

Oral Roberts claimed that the “point of contact” was the “greatest discovery” he had ever made” (5). By sending in their prayer sheets (in this case printed reddish colored A4 sheets) the viewers establish a point of contact when each sheet is placed on the “altar”  and when Rory and Wendy Alec and others lay their hands on the heap of paper sheets to release the power of affluence. Dave Hunt wrote:

Rituals are of no value. Rituals work in magic and magic [is] demonic; witch doctors have certain rituals they go through, sacramentalism is related to the rituals.  The idea that a ritual has some spiritual value and power just is contrary both to common sense and to the Word of God.  For example, it’s closely related to scapulars and medals. I have a scapular that I keep in the Bible to show people, on one end of it, it says, whosoever dies wearing this scapular shall not suffer eternal fire.

Well, two problems, 1) if you believe Christ paid the penalty for your sins, you don’t need a scapular. What kind of a God delivers you from eternal fire because you wear a scapular.  It’s like the fetishes and so forth in the pagan world.  So, a ritual to exorcise demons is the same.  What is this, impress demons?  Are they impressed that you go through some ritual, or does God’s power depend upon you going through some ritual?  Where in the Bible does it say that God’s power can be released by some ritual?

Now you have the same idea with many of the so-called faith teachers, you know, touch my hand, this is a point of contact and even Oral Roberts had people light candles, you know, he lit the red candle while they lit the green candle, and this starts miracles flowing.  What kind of a God releases his power because you go through some ritual?  So we know, first of all, that the ritual isn’t right. (Emphasis added)

Millions of people are being misled and deceived by God TV. Are you one of the deceived?

Acts 8:20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.


  • (1) Patti Roberts, Ashes to Gold (Word Books, 1985), p. 122
  • (2) Benny Hinn, “Praise-a-Thon” program on TBN, 6 November 1990.
  • (3) Benny Hinn, “Our Position in Christ # 2 – The Word Made Flesh (Orlando: Orlando Christian Center 1991) videotape # 2555, emphasis added. See also Hinn’s claim that believers are “little messiahs” or “little gods” on the “Praise-a-Thon” program on TBN (6 November 1990).
  • (4) Benny Hinn, Good Morning, Holy Spirit (Nashville: Thomas Nelson, 1990), 135-36, emphasis added. In the seventh printing, certain unannounced changes were made in the text in response to criticism from CRI so that the passage now reads (changes emphasized): “And let me add this: Had the Holy Spirit not been with Jesus, He may have likely sinned. That’s right. It was the Holy Spirit who was the power that kept Him pure. He was not only sent from heaven, but He was called the Son of Man-and as such He was capable of sinning. . . . Without the Holy Ghost, Jesus may have never made it.” The “Can you imagine.. .” sentence was deleted entirely. But even with the changes, Christ is still made out to depend on the Holy Spirit to keep Him from sinning, thus denying Christ the sinlessness that is an essential attribute of God.
  • (5) Benny Hinn, “Our Position ‘In Christ,’ Part 1” (Orlando, FL: Orlando Christian Center, 1991), videotape.
  • (6) Oral Roberts Best Sermons and Stories (Tulsa, OK: Oral Roberts, 1956), 46: 101
  • (7) Lynn F. Perkins, The Meaning of Masonry (CSA Press, 1971), p. 32

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BennyHinn SAID:
God came from heaven, became a man, made man into little gods, went back to heaven as a man. He faces the Father as a man. I face devils as the son of God…. Quit your nonsense! What else are you? If you say, I am, you’re saying I’m a part of Him, right? Is he God? Are you His offspring? Are you His children? You can’t be human! You can’t! You can’t! God didn’t give birth to flesh…. You said, “Well, that’s heresy.” No, that’s your crazy brain saying that.

JOHN 3:6-7 “Flesh gives birth to flesh (Mary gives birth to Jesus, son of Joseph), but the Spirit gives birth to spirit (God, through the Holy Spirit, gives birth to Jesus, the Christ.). You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again’.”

If we are also born of the same Spirit (else, y would we be called born again?) arent we children of God? If we are children of God, what does PSALM 82:6 mean, when God says: ‘I said, “You are gods, you are all sons of the Most High.”

It means, we are gods; sons of the Most High, all. Praise the Lord!

Deborah (Discerning the World)


>> If we are also born of the same Spirit (else, y would we be called born again?) arent we children of God? If we are children of God, what does PSALM 82:6 mean, when God says: ‘I said, “You are gods, you are all sons of the Most High.”

This has been explained in full right over here: but I have pasted the article below for you to read.

“Many a preacher today teaches that we are gods, or little gods, based on the incorrect interpretation of scripture. Some are very subtle in the way they teach this message, others come out right and just say it.

The verse they will show you to try prove their point is John 10:34 ”Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods”’?

But let me explain what Jesus really meant:

Jesus was in dialogue with the Jews of His day and quoting from the Old Testament Psalms, saying: “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods”’? The Jews wanted to stone Jesus for calling God His Father and making Himself equal with God. So Jesus quotes Pslam 82 to them to show the distinction between himself and those in Pslam 82 who were called ‘gods’.

Pslam 82 was written AGAINST certain unjust rulers in Israel’s history. Men of high distinction (Judges/Rulers) were almost seen as gods because of the power they wielded over the nation. The problem is these men were UNJUST. Verse 82:2 says: ”How long will you judge unjustly, And showpartiality to the wicked? and verses 6-7 say, 6 “I said, “You are gods, And all of you are children of the Most High.” 7 But you shall die like men, And fall like one of the princes.” So these rulers are not gods, they were given this name by mere men, but were they still children of God? Yes. But they will die like everyone else. So the point Jesus was making was that if unjust rulers can be called gods (by men), how can the Jews who wanted to stone Him object to Him saying that he was the Son of God?

Can you see how easily scripture gets twisted and the next minute you have men and women running around teaching New Age teachings under the banner of Christianity.

BEWARE of ANYONE who tells you that you can be a God or Christ. When you become a born again Christian you grow to become more Christ-like, you DO NOT become like Christ or a Christ or anything Divine for that matter. However in Charismatic churches you do; you become a little god – ‘Faith’ becomes an actual force that you wield at your command as you speak things into existence. This is totally and utterly occult. The New Age religion believes in something similar, that each person is a god/goddess, they just have not realised it yet – a god trapped in a human body part of a huge cosmos – trying to turn the world into one spiritual tower of Babel.


1. Deuteronomy 4:35,39 — Unto thee it was shown, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him. (39) Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.

2. Deuteronomy 6:4 — Hear, O Israel: The LORD thy God is one LORD. [Note in Mark 12:28-34 how Jesus and a Jewish scribe he encountered understood this text.]

3. Deuteronomy32:39 — See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

4. 2 Samuel 7:22 — Wherefore thou art great, O LORD God; for there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.

5. 1 Kings 8:60 — That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD is God, and that there is none else.

6. 2 KINGS 5:15 — And he returned to the man of God, he and all his company, and came, and stood before him: and he said, Behold, now I know that there is no God in all the earth, but in Israel; now therefore, I pray thee, take a blessing of thy servant.

7. 2 Kings 19:15 — And Hezekiah prayed before the LORD, and said, O LORD God of Israel, which dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; thou hast made heaven and earth.

8. 1 Chronicles 17:20 — O LORD, there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.

9. Nehemiah 9:6 — Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou has made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.

10. Psalm 18:31 — For who is God save the LORD? or who is a rock save our God?

11. Psalm 86:10 — For thou art great, and doest wondrous things: thou art God alone.

12. Isaiah 37:16,20 — O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou has made heaven and earth. (20) Now therefore, O LORD our God, save us from his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou art the LORD, even thou only.

13. Isaiah43:10,11 — Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior.

14. Isaiah44:6,8 — Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Fear ye not, neither be afraid; have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

15. Isaiah 45:21 — Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time: who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me.

16. Isaiah 46:9 — For I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me.

17. Hosea 13:4 — Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me; for there is no savior beside me.

18. Joel 2:27 — And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.

19. Zechariah 14:9 — And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

20. Mark 12:29-34 —And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbor as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

21. John 17:3 — And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

22. Romans 3:30 — Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

23. 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 — As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

24. Galatians 3:20 — Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

25. Ephesians 4:6 — One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

26. 1 Timothy 1:17 — Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

27. 1 Timothy 2:5 — For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

28. James 2:19 — Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Deborah (Discerning the World)

hello again.

There are suggestions I made in my comment I would like to revise:
the baptism of Jesus, followed by his annointing with power (the Holy Ghost descending) was actually the consumation of the consecration of priests found in Exodus.

Jesus was totally sinless, inspite of intense temptations. His baptism had nothing to do with “repentance”, it was the consumation of a symbolic rite ordained in the Mosaic law. He is afterall, the High Priest of our Salvation. Aaron and co were mere symbols.

He was not under the “curse” of the law because he had immuned himself to it (so to speak) by perfect obedience to God. It was this obideince, in spite of having the fleshy nature, that made him the acceptable ransom for us, the heirs of salvation.

I do agree that there is one God. But the bible tells us he has “sons” (Job chapter 1). Jesus was one of them, and so are they who live by faith in him.

One God, many sons.

Deborah (Discerning the World)

oh boy someone does not pay attention.


You are making some harsh judgments on Angus that I think are quite off base. For instance you are seemingly upset that Angus is not warning people he is preaching to, to not fall away in the end times as the bible speaks of…How do non-Christians “fall away” from the Lord? Instead of picking apart someone who is loving those around him, taking risks in his faith as he reaches out to the nation he lives in by asking the Holy Spirit to move in healing, etc,… and you left out that he takes care of area orphans whose parents have died of AIDS. What actions are you doing that reflect the person of Christ and His heart for His people and those that do not know Him yet? It amazes me how quick people can criticize someone who is actually DOING something that makes a positive difference in others lives and introduces them to the Lord. I suggest you take some time off from your computer and go love on your neighbor; get out of your own comfort zone and share Christ’s love in a practical way. As you do I pray your heart will know His love for you and others more.
Keep on Angus!

Deborah (Discerning the World)


>> How do non-Christians “fall away” from the Lord?

We will let the bible answer you.

2 Thessalonians 2 3-12

The Great Apostasy

3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Do you see those words above that says, ‘the falling away comes first” well Holly we are in the GREAT APOSTASY now where the church no longer preaches the TRUE gospel of Jesus Christ. It preaches something that appears to be ok, but it’s actually far from the truth. Are you willing to find out why? Or do you want to follow blindly to the point that God hands you over to deception. (see vs 12)

Looking after orphans means nothing if you are preaching a false doctrine Holly. All those orphans are going to hell because you refused to find out the truth.

Do you accept false teaching, are you happy that people’s spiritual lives are being ruined because of false doctrines that Angus Buchan teaches? Do you want people led astray when the Bible says:

Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you astray.

I do not save people, Jesus Christ saves people therefore I will NEVER boast of my accomplishments of any sort – unlike Oom Angus.

This is what the bible says regarding boasting and huge mega churches and large gatherings where the preacher proclaims to lead the group on behalf of God.

Matthew 6:5 “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.

Should you leave people alone so that the blind lead the blind to hell? Would you allow this to happen to your OWN FAMILY? Or will you try your best to protect them from harm?

Matthew 15:1 “Let them alone; they are blind guides. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”

For instance, did you know that Angus Buchan believes this false doctrine?


You go Deborah
Very few in RSA realize what’s happening around the world and how this country is in the same trap. I as many was part of the charismatic movement when it started in the 80’s in this country. But is grown into a false prosperity gospel and now the NAR movement , universalism,emergent church, and the likes are joining the ranks. People need to do research and realize the basis of what Jesus did was first and foremost die to save our wretched souls. The rest is in the background,but it’s not so now days as everything is aimed at entertaining peoples greedy hearts.


Deborah, Thanks for your wonderful website and your wonderful work. May God bless you dearly – keep it up!


Dozi. Jesus, being the Son of God does not refer to Him being a person who is part of God. It refers to the ‘type’ that He is. God cannot be compared to anything which is familiar to us, eg.: a human family with a father, a mother and a child. God is ONE. Only one. One person. Jesus called Himself “I AM”. That means that Jesus said: I am God. When Philip asked Jesus: “Show us the Father.” Jesus gave a surprising answer. Go read the scriptures and ask God to teach you Himself concerning this matter.

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Thank you Elsa!!!


Hi guys, I just want to say a few things. To the biblical believers of this group you should know better trying to convert a charismatic. And to the rest I and everybody else knowing the truth are and should be praying for you. I myself was heavily involved in the charismatic movement, I was baptized by water, couple weeks later received the 2nd baptism of the ” Holy Spirit” as the charismatic call it, and spoke in tongues. Guess what this all before I was saved, all before Jesus Christ become my Savior, all before I received him, trusted him. And it was by the Word of God and only the Word of God that opened my eyes to who I am and who Jesus is. Biblical believers you know who is causing the real division in the body of Christ. Spend more time fishing for men who actually want to hear the truth and less trying to convert a charismatic. Who converted me? God almighty did, leave it to the Holy Spirit to open eyes. I understand what your are doing the bible teaches us to expose them but don’t argue, if you get insulted just take it don’t even reply. I truly care for all of you and I know where you coming from, my entire family is charismatic and I’m pretty sure there not even saved, there lives speak it. To my true family in Christ the time is coming we ought to do everything to not be ashamed when we stand in front of our God and Savior Jesus Christ the great Creator. God bless


My father, family and there entire church went to the mighty man this year. After weeks of hearing the miraculous and so many come to salvation I just could not take it anymore. Why? Because not once did I hear repentance, not once did I hear any of these people come to realize there need of saving, and not once even our Lords name. I’ve preached the true Gospel to my father a few times, again I said let me see what Gods Word says and corrected him the biblical way. He just wanted to argue and was not pleased with me at all that I was trashing the ” mighty man”. He said well then I’m sure of it nobody is going to heaven according to ” you people” revering to me because I’m a independent Baptist. Which showed he did not listen to all the times I preached to him the Gospel. Like I said only God can open someone eyes whom truly believe they are right, they are blinded by the devil and man can’t brake those strongholds only Gods Word and Holy Spirit. I could have used Scripture reverence like everybody else but remember the devil knows the scriptures aswell, knowledge of it and faith by it is oil and water.The knowing of verses is knowledge – then understanding is knowing what they mean – wisdom is putting it into practice. God bless you all.


Dear Deborah,

You know what? I checked out your site and your comments … what you seem to believe and whom you elevate … It worries me. I see NO love.

Pray that you give way in your heart to Jesus soon!

Deborah (Discerning the World)


I laugh at comments like yours, because the ‘love‘ you speak of is nothing but New Age Love, and I don’t do that kinda LOVE. I do Biblical love, the one were TRUTH HURTS. Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.


You will face the wrath of God if you speak badly about His people
That must be somewhere in the Bible right? Im sure ive read that somewhere or heard someone read that aloud… Can anyone help me? Deborah?

Deborah (Discerning the World)


1) Prove to me that Angus is God’s people



Also in the bible is a reference to those who calls evil good and good evil

>>Im sure ive read that somewhere or heard someone read that aloud…<<<

You see, this is the problem. Instead of reading the Word ourselves, we pay someone to read for us. Because of that, we turn the word of God on it's head and form our own opinion of what WE would like to be the truth.

Since someone is reading the Word to you, chances are good you missed all the many warnings re: false teachers and deceptive wolves that come in sheep's clothing. Those with one purpose and that is to deceive the flock. Note James that these appears to be holy but are servants of the prince of this world.

But yes, like Deborah is requesting. Prove that Angus is God's people. Do not waste time and wait for someone to tickle the ear with context-less verses… get stuck in –
It is an eye opener!!… or are you just another twist and shouter?

Those that allow the blind to lead them, end up in the ditch… with them (says the Bible also)


funny I would have thought deborah was a dry hard legalist when I first met Jesus but now I know she just sees the narrow road…..thats cuz I was into the power and money gospel and I didnt know its not about that ….its about walking with Jesus …..deborah merely states the facts that all should see but the reason those cant see is cuz you havent given Jesus your heart….cuz if you had you would see…simple …..deborah till they devote their hearts too Jesus completetly they wont see ….its the storey of the pearl of great price

Deborah (Discerning the World)


It’s tough going, but the good thing is at least the people that have read this article have read the truth, hopefully some will wake up, others wont, but none will be without an excuse.


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vincent holloway

Romans 11:29(KJV) For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
1 Corinthians 4:20(KJV) For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.
Mark 16:18(KJV) They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Are you(this website)preaching another gospel?

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Dear Vincent

It is you that is preaching another gospel. You quote those verses to tell us what? That there are supposed to be apostles and prophets today in a five fold ministry, that there are faith healers today who claim to have power and can raise the dead even though no one has bothered to come forward to my site and tell us they were raised fro the dead? With all the claims out there of people being raised from the dead you would think SOMEONE would want to shout their miracle from the rooftops, but no, no one…*crickets*

So tell me since you quote Mark 16:18 when last did you go pick up a venomous snake Vincent? Or don’t you have enough faith for that? Or are you saying that only those ‘snake handling churches’ are the real deal and no one else? What are you saying Vincent?

I have said this so many times on this blog, but for you I will say it again. The Apostles where given great power by Jesus to go out and preach with signs and wonders and to establish the church. Once the New Testament was penned, these powers of healing, tongues, prophecy faded away. You now GO DIRECTLY TO JESUS CHRIST for your healing not a middle man claiming to have power to heal.

You quote Romans 11:29, these are gifts of the Holy Spirit vincent, not power to pick up serpents or power to speak in tongues.

Please read the following articles if you care to know the truth: Are Prophets for Today or has Prophecy Ceased?, False Foundation of Five-Fold Ministry and speaking in tongues and Can Satan Heal? and Latter Rain – Taking Dominion with another Gospel another Christ and Your Sons and Your Daughters Will Prophesy, But Not Yet..

And Rory Alec from the ‘oh so christian’ GOD TV has left his wife for another woman and claims he was never truly saved to start off with, he just went along with it because it was a business. This man used to preach the ‘so called gospel’ on tv – the gospel that you follow, but he admits it was a farce…

Again let me say..

The office of Prophet and Apostle was temporary…and only necessary for the church before the completion of the Bible. The actual foundation of the church was built UPON the Prophets and Apostles (with Jesus Christ being the chief cornerstone).

Ephesians 2:19-22 “19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,20 having been built ON THE FOUNDATION of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”

Notice the word ‘been’, as in past tense.


Hi Vincent,
Please allow me to explain Romans 11 verse 29, but before I do please don’t think I assume to know it all. My background is that of the Charismatic’s and I too once believed in talking in tongues(did it myself) and all that which goes with the gifts which are not for today. My husband and I are free from that movement and praise God daily for this. The biggest problem we see with the church today is that they don’t read AND study the word for themselves. If they did the church would not be in such a mess.
My study on Romans 11 began with A close family member who use to talk in tongues and reminded that the gifts are without repentance. He had a valid point and so I had to go and check this matter for myself. Though i have been born again for over 40 years only recently have I begun to study the word and I cannot put the word down. The Holy Spirit is my teacher and my hubby keeps me from getting a big head when I find nuggets.
I took a look at the verse and did a word study with my KJV Strongs numbers Bible and looked up the meaning of the original Greek words. I pray this may be of some help to you and may it speak to you as it did to me.
Romans 11verse 29 “For the Gifts and calling of God are without repentance.”
The word calling does not really refer to a ministry God has chosen for a person. No, the word here where it says “CALLING” is front the Greek word “Klesis”. Meaning invitation. The next one is ‘WITHOUT REPENTANCE.’ And this is from the Greek word “Ametameletos.” Meaning irrevocable, meaning it cannot or will not be taken back.
This verse should read in the following manner. “For the gifts and calling (or invitation) of God are irrevocable (not to be taken away.) Gods word must be read in context. The context was referring to the Jews and Gods plan of salvation for them. Romans 9,10, 11 is all about the Jew.
Here is what these verses say in a more understandable translation of the bible.
Rom 11 verse 28. Now in response to the (proclamation of the ) good news (about Christ) the Jews became (Gods) enemies for the sake of you (Gentiles). But concerning (Gods) select people, these Jews became (Gods) dearly loved ones for the sake of their forefathers. Romans 11 verse 29. for God does not change his mind about the gifts he gives and the people he calls (to him). Romans 11 verse 30 For you Gentiles were disobedient to God in the past, but now you have obtained (Gods )mercy by means of the disobedience of the Jews. No where are these verses talking about the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
Before I end I must add that its up to you to now check me out. If you are serious enough about your relationship with God do so. Do it to please God and to allow yourself to grow in the word and not man made ministries. Soon the trumpet will be heard and those who have not heeded the warning and are still caught up in the “name it and claim churches” will be left behind to go through the tribulation. One of the hardest things we had to do as a couple was to admit we had been false when we spoke in tongues as we never knew what we were saying. We have repented and now we are free. We tell those whom we know that we were false tongue talking Christians but did it in ignornace. Take care.

Deborah (Discerning the World)


Oh my goodness,


See, even I was wrong on Romans 11:29, now I have the noodles to admit I was wrong because I had the wrong interpretation of that verse because I did not go and study it like Vanessa did, I just took it at face value. Will you be bold enough to admit you were wrong in what you believe? After you study those verses in the bible of course :)


lol at Deborah. I was not going to post this on Romans but God has other ideas. We are just instruments and i submit. Take care.

Deborah (Discerning the World)


I think it was indeed God’s plan :) Because when I realised I was wrong I immediately thought that this would be a great opportunity to show Vincent how wrong we can be when we take things at face value instead of study it to make sure it says what it really does say or does it actually mean something completely different.

So thank you Vanessa for that, and in future don’t hold back your comments :)


Why it is important to personally study Gods word and to do so under the unction of the Holy Spirit.
It separates truth and deception
Builds your faith
Increases your knowledge of the Lord.
Having this or these abilities allows you to “test the spirits” where by man comes to you teaching and preaching.Thus you are able to understand a little leaven leavens the whole loaf. i.e Angus can preach 90% truth and mean well but the lack of his own discernment of the word and truth causes him to present a false/wrong understanding of the gospel,and since he is a leader and promotes himself as such,this then makes him a liar and a deceiver. Potatoes are not really good for you.

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