Benny Hinn – Miracle Service in Durban – 13 Mar 2010

Benny Hinn is Back is South Africa

To Con the living daylights out of People who don’t read their bibles.

So Benny ‘$1000, that’s $1000 for salvation, $1000, …going…going…gone.  Sold to the man in the back’  Hinn is back in SA.  Woe to us.

If words don’t get the message across, maybe a little cartoon will.  The below two cartoons are from Sundays English and Afrikaans newspapers – 2010-02-27.

The Afrikaans version of the cartoon below, is different from the English version.  Did they censor it so as to not offend their readers?  Do they think English people can handle the truth and Afrikaans people can’t?  Or what?  I’m confused…

Ponder, ponder…

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Pastor Leon du Preez’s testimony:

As he spoke, I realized that the words that came out of his mouth had power. I had experienced encounters from the spiritual realm when I was younger, but never before had I experienced the power that was coming out of him. I was arrested in my seat and there was no way that I could deny anything that he was saying. All of a sudden I heard the following words bubbling out of my mouth: “Please, pray for me, I want my life to change”. As he laid his hands on me and I prayed a prayer of salvation, I felt that same power fall on me, a power that wiped away every single sin that I had ever committed, a power that contradicted every feeling of hurt and rejection that had been with me for years, a power that gave me the identity that I was looking for all along. I remember it as though it happened just yesterday. It felt like ice, electricity and fire, all at the same time! I still sat down and asked him what had just happened to me, what it was that I felt? He said to me: “It is the power of God, it is the Holy Spirit”. From that night on, my life changed forever! In an instant, I was completely set free from alcohol abuse, drug abuse, rejection, suicide and a life of darkness and hopelessness. All of a sudden, I left that place with a purpose. I left that house knowing that God is real and that He has a destiny for me. That was the first night where someone could show me the true power of God, and it was the first night in my life where I experienced the manifest presence of God embracing me as if I was clean, forgiven and His child, regardless of my past!

And now, it seems to me, Leon uses the Bible as a guide book on how to “experience the manifest presence of God”. Be careful with what you try and convert unbelievers with, because that is what you convert them to and unless it is faith in Jesus Christ to save them from the wrath of God, it is not Christian.



Before you go, I have a question for you. You have made your feelings perfectly clear. Would you agree that the Christianity that you hold to is a totally different Christianity to the one that I hold to? Do you agree that we could not possibly be sisters in Christ since you see me as a devil and has cursed and possibly bound me? Would that be a fair assessment?

Elmarie A
Elmarie A

Maybe They all have to read this book lol lol

Very Close Look At The
“God Chasers”
written by Rev. Bob Liichow
Taken from Truth Matters Newsletter

Charismatic believers in general have always been seeking the next “move” of the Spirit or a higher “level” in God because their current practices and experiences do not satisfy their souls. This spiritual ennui is now transpiring as the Toronto/Pensacola phenomena is winding down. Various leaders have been sticking their spiritual fingers in the air seeing which way the wind of the Spirit is now blowing. I believe that Tenney’s book about striving to manifest a mystical presence and experience a non-biblical pseudo-intimacy with God is part of the “next move.”
Tenney is on the cover of the March Charisma magazine, which automatically gives his book global exposure and carries the charismatic imprimatur. He has already been making the “revival rounds.” The Toronto web site has pictures of him teaching at TACF (http:// There are now a myriad of web sites pushing his book and threads of God Chasers sharing their experiences.
Tenney has no obvious love or even deep appreciation for the Bible, this is apparent from his many snide comments regarding Scripture. He comes from a cultic background, which he has never formally renounced and he is promoting experiences which God has never promised to grant His people.
Tenney also is making a ton of money off his “God Chasers Network.” Like the Promise Keepers before him, Tenney is selling God Chaser license plates, other books, t-shirts, mugs, etc…I am not opposed to anyone selling a product they have produced. But it seems that an entire industry sprang up “overnight” regarding this latest craze. When this too peters out, and it will, Mr. Tenney will be left quite a bit richer and a great deal more deceived.
The growing popularity of his book is further proof that many of God’s people lack a solid biblical foundation in their lives. This lack of doctrinal understanding has left them open to spiritual deception.

Elmarie A

Walk don’t Run

It has been a few years since Tommy Tenney became famous overnight from the story of a zap that split a Plexiglas pulpit (it is presumed it was a bolt of lightning). This occurred during the revival meetings that were being held at 3,000-member charismatic church, Christian Tabernacle in Houston.

Tenney teaches, “We need to learn how to entertain and welcome the manifest presence of God to such a degree that just the residue of what has gone on among us brings sinners to the point of conviction and conversion instantaneously. I am hungry for that kind of expression of revival …” (ibid., p. 46).

A residue of His presence is all that is needed to bring sinners to conversion instantaneously! No Word, no witnessing, no explaining. Is this where we are supposed to be headed?

Elmarie A

Benny Hinn – A “New” Dark “Anointing”

Not be be outdone by his wife, Benny Hinn has recently been seen growling in a weird voice, laying curses on Christians who disagree with him (this is nothing new), knocking children down with “slain in the spirit” while yelling things like “Fire” and “Execute him”, and prophesying over Paul Crouch with what I can only describe as a papal air. The new “pope” of Charismania, Benny Hinn, is making sure to have all the leaders of the Third Wave on his interview style program these days such as Kenneth Copeland, Rod Parsley, Joyce Meyers and Rodney Howard-Browne. This is so we and they will be sure to understand that it is really Hinn who is the apostolic father with the greatest amount of the “anointing”. What’s next? Crouch and Copeland kissing his ring or feet? I guess since he knocked Paul on his backside, when in an earlier “Praise The Lord” show Crouch had made fun of people who fall backwards needing catchers (interestingly Paul needed one) Paul was right down there next to Hinn’s big toe and should have kissed it while he is there.

We now have these reports streaming in from viewers of the “new” (is anything these people do “new” or even interesting) Benny Hinn “anointing”.

Elmarie A

Thank you Amanda!!

Scripture tells us that we have to heed to people whom will not understand His Word and will distort and twist the Scripture.

2 Peter 3:8-18 (Amplified Bible)

8 Nevertheless, do not let this one fact escape you, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.(A)

9 The Lord does not delay and is not tardy or slow about what He promises, according to some people’s conception of slowness, but He is long-suffering (extraordinarily patient) toward you, not desiring that any should perish, but that all should turn to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will vanish (pass away) with a thunderous crash, and the [[a]material] elements [of the universe] will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.

11 Since all these things are thus [b]in the process of being dissolved, what kind of person ought [each of] you to be [in the meanwhile] in consecrated and holy behavior and devout and godly qualities,

12 While you wait and earnestly long for (expect and hasten) the coming of the day of God by reason of which the flaming heavens will be dissolved, and the [[c]material] elements [of the universe] will flare and melt with fire?(B)

13 But we look for new heavens and a new earth according to His promise, in which righteousness (uprightness, freedom from sin, and right standing with God) is to abide.(C)

14 So, beloved, since you are expecting these things, be eager to be found by Him [at His coming] without spot or blemish and at peace [in serene confidence, [d]free from fears and agitating passions and moral conflicts].

15 And consider that the long-suffering of our Lord [[e]His slowness in avenging wrongs and judging the world] is salvation ([f]that which is conducive to the soul’s safety), even as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the spiritual insight given him,

16 Speaking of this as he does in all of his letters. There are some things in those [epistles of Paul] that are difficult to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist and misconstrue to their own [g]utter destruction, just as [they distort and misinterpret] the rest of the Scriptures.

17 Let me warn you therefore, beloved, that knowing these things beforehand, you should be on your guard, lest you be carried away by the error of lawless and wicked [persons and] fall from your own [present] firm condition [your own steadfastness of mind].

18 But grow in grace (undeserved favor, spiritual strength) and [h]recognition and knowledge and understanding of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (the Messiah). To Him [be] glory (honor, majesty, and splendor) both now and to the day of eternity. Amen (so be it)!

and further we have no fear of these False prophets and preacher as the Word then tells us.

Isaiah 41:10 (Amplified Bible)

10 Fear not [there is nothing to fear], for I am with you; do not look around you in terror and be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen and harden you to difficulties, yes, I will help you; yes, I will hold you up and retain you with My [victorious] right hand of rightness and justice.(A)


Elmarie A

Agh Benny Hinn you are a chop.

Archived from NEWS+VIEWS page JULY 14, 2009 ———–

Benny Hinn lost $2M in Uganda

PASTOR Benny Hinn lost $2m on his recent visit to Uganda and two other African countries. Speaking on Light House Television, the international evangelist and author said: “Most people are poor in Africa and it affected the recent crusades.” Hinn said it was difficult to hold the three crusades in Africa. He added that each of the three crusades in Africa was estimated at $1m (sh2.1b) “but these funds could not easily be received.” He only managed to raise $1m from the three crusades. Hinn said that as much as some people may not want to hear him talk about money, “it is important to have money to do God’s work.” He, however, pledged to continue with the healing crusades. “It is impossible to run all the activities of this conference, without charging fees, ” Kayanja defended the charges on the eve of the crusade. “These days it is very hard to get free things. The cost of living is high and we cannot avoid incurring costs.”

***WATCHMAN…Hmmmmmm….what about this verse MR HINN… MATTHEW 10:8… Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

***When you spend expecting to get that is WORLDLY…
Read more here:


To Amanda,
You are quite right, I do not agree with you and that the doctrine that you and I share on Chritianity is not the same. I have not cursed you or bound you, I have however told you that you are defiantely not spirit led – you go and do with that exactly what you want and you can go and extract from it and place your perverted views about it wherever you want. I know who I am in Christ Jesus, I know that the same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead lives in me and therefore I do believe I am given all authority and power to cast out demons, to lay hands on the sick and to raise the dead (all of these have been fruits of my ministry). I do not and can not believe that you and I are sisters in Christ, for I believe in a Christ that sets people free.On none of your topics have I seen any evidence of the love of Jesus, if anything you refute the work of the Holy SPirit in and through people. You do nothing but to slander,mock and insult ministries that are not of the same opinion as you and your side kicks. You do not have a teachable spirit and by virtue of the fact that you would dare assume that God, Abba Father, can not and for some reason only known to you and your group, appear to people in dreams and visions to bring them to a place of conversion leads me to believe that you box God in to what He can do.Instead of praising God for the converts, if God could speak through a donkey, He can speak to peole in dreams, you mock their testimony and say a ‘False Jesus’ has appeared to them. Do you actually want to see the harvest brought in? It surely doesn;t look like it. You do nothing but judge people for what they do and when they bring correction to you and your group. I have no idea who your overseer is or even if you have one, you and the rest of the admin have also avoided that question on several occassions. So yes before I go, you and I are certainly NOT sisters in Christ, because I believe in the living Christ, who is the same yesterday, today and forever, who died for every single person. And you know, even if all these pastors/ministries, which seems to be every single one on the planet, are so terribly wrong, then rather pray for them than insult them, but at the end of the day if through their ministry one soul can call out and say ” JESUS” shouldn’t that be all that matters. Let God be the judge of the leaders. We are supposse to correct each other in love and with tenderness, but you just attack and condemn. Have you gone the biblical route of actually first speaking to these pastors about the error of their doctrine, and then if they didn’t listen did you thentake elders to speak to them and then only do you make their error public? Have you done that, seeing that you are so bent on doing everything biblically? That log in your eye must really be starting to weigh you down! Don’t bother to comment as I won’t be back…
Oh and by the way, you can go and tell the whole world via the internet or any other method, that I cursed you and bound you as you put it! Do whatever you feel led to do,because at the end of the day God is not mocked!

The only good thing I have to say about your website it that it prooves to me that we are living in the ends times and I take great joy in the return of Jesus!

Tit 3:10 Have nothing to do with a person who causes divisions after you have warned him once or twice.
Tit 3:11 For you know that a person like this is corrupt and keeps on sinning, being self-condemned.

Elmarie A

June 16th, 2010 at 12:24 pm

you know every time some one calls you up to a confrontation you refuse your facourite word is NAAAAAA! every noticed it..and know I am not teh fruit of Leons’ministry, was saved long before I met Leon, but you are right I will run along cos I do have better things to do!

Now what has changed your mind to come back to this blog?? Go and do your better things whatever it is that you wanna do!!

We are really soooooooo tired of your silly comments and your ways you are twisting The Scripture.

About your Scripture Tit 3:10-11 it is so used out of context and you can go find that out for yourself or ask your overseers. This is a Discernment blog that will show out every possible False teaching and Apostasy there is to see for the whole world and will not stop doing this.

You have said twice now you will not come back to this blog.
The first time you said :”but you are right I will run along cos I do have better things to do!”
and the second time you said: “So yes before I go”.
Before you change your mind again please go read every article and comment written on this blog. As it seems you have no idea what this blog is about. You also don’t seem to know what the meaning of Discernment is. Why? because the false prophets and false churches you support will never teach you this. In fact I don’t even think you know there are false Prophets, false teachers and false churches.

Elmarie A


You seem to have very much the same doctrine/opinion as a group on FB called Prepare for War, I see much of the same,if not word for word, comments on certain not sure if you copying them or they copying you or you just have your own little cult going!

This blog does not follow any doctrine but THE WRITTEN SCRIPTURE known as THE WORD OF GOD.

About word for word comments on a facebook page on certain people?? Theresa stop telling lies please.

In fact here is an excerpt from that facebook page info:
This would be the page to join if you’re already set in your religion and willing to learn, give up and let go. And then declare war against Satan and his demons.

Oops Theresa do you see what I see? They declare war against Satan and his demons AND that is excactly what you claim to do by having said: “I always love to kick devil butt!” and you also said “Get thee behind me satan!”

another exerpt form this face bookpage: Demons will be bound on this page and banned. Please respect that we are children of the King, Jesus Christ, and are here to equip each other and pray together, against Satan and his demons, in the name of the Lord!!/Prepare4War?v=info&ref=search

Oops Theresa and lookie here what your favorite teacher Benny Hinn says : “This is why angels to this day cannot rebuke Satan. Jude says, even Michael will not bring an accusation against the devil. Why? Because angels are lower today than Satan who holds the office of Adam. But we, as joint heirs with Christ in heavenly places, are higher than Adam [background voice says, “and angels and angels.”] “So, today, angels cannot rebuke Satan, but we can, because we are on the same level as the Son on earth.” “We’re not God, we’re the children of God. We’re god-like in our Spirit man, not in our flesh. Thank God, our flesh will die and we are gonna have a new body. The Bible says, when we shall see Him our bodies shall be like Him, but our spirit man is already like Him.”

And I say again you run along and worship your gods en cult like people and carry on to try and raise people from the dead.

Elmarie A

Scripture quoted at bottom of page who? is copying and doing so word for word


What you consider to be “defending” the Church from false prophets, many fruitful christians – disciples call this Criticism. The following quote is from MR Chambers whose life speak more than yours and mine. Maybe this will make you think about your attitude and your fruits. ”

Criticism serves to make you harsh, vindictive, and cruel, and leaves you with the soothing and flattering idea that you are somehow superior to others – you must constantly beware of anything that causes you to think of yourself as a superior person.” O. Chambers



You have said harsh things about me and you have known me less than a week. People who really know me can add a lot more to your list, let alone God who will judge not only every word and deed, but also every thought. I know that I have broken God’s Law all my life, but accuse me of breaking a single one today and I will self-righteously argue my case why that is not so.

You said:

May you reap 1000 times what you sow and may God allow you to be treated with the same mercy and grace that you show others.

You are correct. That is exactly what God should do.



Jesus Christ said:

“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will recognize them by their fruits. “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ “Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it.” And when Jesus finished these sayings, the crowds were astonished at his teaching, for he was teaching them as one who had authority, and not as their scribes. (Mat 7:15-29)

Paul did not think that we should put up with someone proclaiming another Jesus or a different spirit or a different gospel:

I wish you would bear with me in a little foolishness. Do bear with me! I feel a divine jealousy for you, for I betrothed you to one husband, to present you as a pure virgin to Christ. But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough. (2Co 11:1-4)

Bruno, there is no hidden treasure deep inside of us. Leon is lying to you.

Elmarie A

Bruno said the following :

June 10th, 2010 at 11:00 am :”I will not waste my time any longer”

June 14th, 2010 at 2:57 pm :ah ah ah ah ah ah.Blessings.

June 14th, 2010 at 10:10 pm: I will not WASTE my time with your bunch

Why are you back Bruno you have given nothing but insults on this blog since your first comment in your weak attempt to defend Leon.

June 9th, 2010 at 10:18 pm

Well.. You spend your time to criticize everything on everyone.. Whoah.. Well done.. you are so strong; you have so much discernment.. you have so much class.. you are…. pfff… what do you do otherwise in life?? Do you do something that builds people up..

June 10th, 2010 at 11:00 am

to Elmarie… Woah I am impressed.. you can quote the Bible… Hum… God bless you.. I will not waste my time any longer… eish… you are quite something… ciao…

June 14th, 2010 at 10:10 pm

Elmarie, Grant and Alan…

Your ministry is a ministry of death.. The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious…how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? (2 Corinthians 3:6-8)

These verses contain another contrasting choice that results in people either living by bankrupt human resources, or by bountiful heavenly ones. This contrast is “the ministry of death versus the ministry of life.” These terms come from correlating four phrases: “the letter kills…the Spirit gives life…the ministry of death…the ministry of the Spirit.” Of course, the old covenant of law is the “ministry of death,” and the new covenant of grace is the “ministry of life” (“ministry of the Spirit…the Spirit gives life”).

You don’t not know me and you think you and your friend can label me or other people because you can write something. YOU DO NOT MANIFEST THE CHARACTER OF CHRIST….

You have a critical spirit… You condemn the person as well as the perceived action (Prov 12:18) You focus on the fault ACCORDING to your perception or interpretation of the Bible… Maybe you should examine yourself… Like 6:41… You and your friends spend hours to ridicule others instead of encouraging others (Proverbs 11:12) You make judgement based without knowing the fruits of the person (John 7:24 and Matthew 12:33-37) You simply assume the worst without knowing the person (John 7:51) You tears others down instead of building people up (Eph 4:29).

Maybe your sense of significance is enhanced when you point out the wrongs of other.. You dare to make people think that you know the Word.. Hey wake up the Word is CHRIST. THE WORD is A PERSON..

You are right on one thing though… I’d rather read the bible than coming back on this stinking website place..

I will not WASTE my time with your bunch… You SHOULD REPENT..

Bruno we are thought in the Word that we will know fellow Christians by the fruits of the spirit. Now lets have a quick BIBLICAL lesson here. Gal 5

What are Not fruits of the spirit?

Galatians 5:19-21
19 Now the doings (practices) of the flesh are clear (obvious): they are immorality, impurity, indecency,

20 Idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy,anger (ill temper),selfishness , divisions (dissensions), party spirit (factions, sects with peculiar opinions, heresies),

21 Envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you beforehand, just as I did previously, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

What are the fruits of the Spirit?

Galatians 5:22-26
22But the fruit of the [Holy] Spirit [the work which His presence within accomplishes] is love, joy (gladness), peace, patience (an even temper, forbearance), kindness, goodness (benevolence), faithfulness,

23Gentleness (meekness, humility), self-control (self-restraint, continence). Against such things there is no law [[f]that can bring a charge].

24And those who belong to Christ Jesus (the Messiah) have crucified the flesh (the godless human nature) with its passions and appetites and desires.

25If we live by the [Holy] Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. [If by the Holy Spirit [g]we have our life in God, let us go forward [h]walking in line, our conduct controlled by the Spirit.]

26Let us not become vainglorious and self-conceited, competitive and challenging and provoking and irritating to one another, envying and being jealous of one another.

Bruno You need to seriously look at your fruits it is very troublesome the see you claim to be a Christian and your fruits show opposite. Your comments on this blog shows very clearly that you have NO LOVE as we are commanded by the Word of God. We will pray for you Bruno, that is all we can do. My advise to you is make sure that your conversion was not a false one as it is happening all the time in the false churches you support.

Luke 10:27
And he replied, You must love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.

Bruno not you, Theresa or Leon has shown that you obey the most important 2 commandments in the Word of God the verse above Luke 10:27 towards any one on this blog. You take care of yourself now.

Elmarie A

Wise words spoken: excerpt posted.
Man – The Dwelling Place of God

by A. W. Tozer

How to Try the Spirits

2. The next test is: How has this new experience affected my attitude toward the Lord Jesus Christ? Whatever place present-day religion may give to Christ, God gives Him top place in earth and in heaven. “This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased,” spoke the voice of God from heaven concerning our Lord Jesus. Peter, full of the Holy Spirit, declared: “God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ” (Acts 2:36). Jesus said of Himself, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” Again Peter said of Him, “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved” (Acts 4:12) . The whole book of Hebrews is devoted to the idea that Christ is above all others. He is shown to be above Aaron and Moses, and even the angels are called to fall down and worship Him. Paul says that He is the image of the invisible God, that in Him dwells the fullness of the Godhead bodily and that in all things He must have the preeminence. But time would fail me to tell of the glory accorded Him by prophets, patriarchs, apostles, saints, elders, psalmists, kings and seraphim. He is made unto us wisdom and righteousness and sanctification and redemption. He is our hope, our life, our all and all, now and forevermore.

All this being true, it is clear that He must stand at the center of all true doctrine, all acceptable practice and all genuine Christian experience. Anything that makes Him less than God has declared Him to be is delusion pure and simple and must be rejected, no matter how delightful or how satisfying it may for the time seem to be.

Christless Christianity sounds contradictory but it exists as a real phenomenon in our day. Much that is being done in Christ’s name is false to Christ in that it is conceived by the flesh, incorporates fleshly methods, and seeks fleshly ends. Christ is mentioned from time to time in the same way and for the same reason that a self-seeking politician mentions Lincoln and the flag, to provide a sacred front for carnal activities and to deceive the simplehearted listeners. This giveaway is that Christ is not central: He is not all and in all.

Again, there are psychic experiences that thrill the seeker and lead him to believe that he has indeed met the Lord and been carried to the third heaven; but the true nature of the phenomenon is discovered later when the face of Christ begins to fade from the victim’s consciousness and he comes to depend more and more upon emotional jags as a proof of his spirituality.

If on the other hand the new experience tends to make Christ indispensable, if it takes our interest off our feeling and places it in Christ, we are on the right track. Whatever makes Christ dear to us is pretty sure to be from God.

3. Another revealing test of the soundness of religious experience is, How does it affect my attitude toward the Holy Scriptures? Did this new experience, this new view of truth, spring out of the Word of God itself or was it the result of some stimulus that lay outside the Bible? Tender-hearted Christians often become victims of strong psychological pressure applied intentionally or innocently by someone’s personal testimony, or by a colorful story told by a fervent preacher who may speak with prophetic finality but who has not checked his story with the facts nor tested the soundness of his conclusions by the Word of God.

Whatever originates outside the Scriptures should for that very reason be suspect until it can be shown to be in accord with them. If it should be found to be contrary to the Word of revealed truth no true Christian will accept it as being from God. However high the emotional content, no experience can be proved to be genuine unless we can find chapter and verse authority for it in the Scriptures. “To the word and to the testimony” must always be the last and final proof.

Whatever is new or singular should also be viewed with a lot of caution until it can furnish scriptural proof of its validity. Over the last half-century quite a number of unscriptural notions have gained acceptance among Christians by claiming that they were among the truths that were to be revealed in the last days. To be sure, say the advocates of this latter-daylight theory, Augustine did not know, Luther did not, John Knox, Wesley, Finney and Spurgeon did not understand this; but greater light has now shined upon God’s people and we of these last days have the advantage of fuller revelation. We should not question the new doctrine nor draw back from this advanced experience. The Lord is getting His Bride ready for the marriage supper of the Lamb. We should all yield to this new movement of the Spirit. So they tell us.

The truth is that the Bible does not teach that there will be new light and advanced spiritual experiences in the latter days; it teaches the exact opposite. Nothing in Daniel or the New Testament epistles can be tortured into advocating the idea that we of the end of the Christian era shall enjoy light that was not known at its beginning. Beware of any man who claims to be wiser than the apostles or holier than the martyrs of the Early Church. The best way to deal with him is to rise and leave his presence. You cannot help him and he surely cannot help you.

Granted, however, that the Scriptures may not always be clear and that there are differences of interpretation among equally sincere men, this test will furnish all the proof needed of anything religious, viz., What does it do to my love for and appreciation of the Scriptures?

While true power lies not in the letter of the text but in the Spirit that inspired it, we should never underestimate the value of the letter. The text of truth has the same relation to truth as the honeycomb has to honey. One serves as a receptacle for the other. But there the analogy ends. The honey can be removed from the comb, but the Spirit of truth cannot and does not operate apart from the letter of the Holy Scriptures.

For this reason a growing acquaintance with the Holy Spirit will always mean an increasing love for the Bible. The Scriptures are in print what Christ is in person. The inspired Word is like a faithful portrait of Christ. But again the figure breaks down. Christ is in the Bible as no one can be in a mere portrait, for the Bible is a book of holy ideas and the eternal Word of the Father can and does dwell in the thought He has Himself inspired. Thoughts are things, and the thoughts of the Holy Scriptures form a lofty temple for the dwelling place of God.

From this it follows naturally that a true lover of God will be also a lover of His Word. Anything that comes to us from the God of the Word will deepen our love for the Word of God. This follows logically, but we have confirmation by a witness vastly more trustworthy than logic, viz., the concerted testimony of a great army of witnesses living and dead. These declare with one voice that their love for the Scriptures intensified as their faith mounted and their obedience became consistent and joyous.

If the new doctrine, the influence of that new teacher, the new emotional experience fills my heart with an avid hunger to meditate in the Scriptures day and night. I have every reason to believe that God has spoken to my soul and that my experience is genuine. Conversely, if my love for the Scriptures has cooled even a little, if my eagerness to eat and drink of the inspired Word has abated by as much as one degree, I should humbly admit that I have missed God’s signal somewhere and frankly backtrack until I find the true way once more.

7. The last test of the genuineness of Christian experience is what it does to our attitude toward sin.

The operations of grace within the heart of a believing man will turn that heart away from sin and toward holiness. “For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ” (Tit. 2:11-13) .

I do not see how it could be plainer. The same grace that saves teaches that saved man inwardly, and its teaching is both negative and positive. Negatively it teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts. Positively it teaches us to live soberly, righteously and godly right in this present world.

The man of honest heart will find no difficulty here. He has but to check his own bent to discover whether he is concerned about sin in his life more or less since the supposed work of grace was done. Anything that weakens his hatred of sin may be identified immediately as false to the Scriptures, to the Saviour and to his own soul. Whatever makes holiness more attractive and sin more intolerable may be accepted as genuine. “For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee. The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity” (Psa. 5: 4, 5).

Jesus warned, “There shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they should deceive the very elect.” These words describe our day too well to be coincidental. In the hope that the “elect” may profit by them I have set forth these tests. The result is in the hand of God.

Elmarie A

Benny Hinn how much more apostate do you wanna get oh my word!!! Wel I wonder who will be here first to defend Benny Hinn hmmm lets see………….

Benny Hinn and Neanderthal Man
The FACTs in plain sight
by Bud Press, Director
Christian Research Service
June 16, 2010

The word evolution is defined as, “1. gradual development. 2. development of species from earlier forms, as an explanation of origins” (The Oxford Desk Dictionary and Thesaurus, Oxford University Press, 1997, p. 262).

According to evolution, Neanderthal man was a part of the “Human Evolution Sequence,” which is said to have evolved from monkeys, arrived in Europe approximately 300,000 years ago, then went extinct approximately 20,000 to 30,000 years ago ( :// ).

In short, evolution teaches that monkeys and humans have shared the same family tree, dating back millions of years.

With that in mind, read what Benny Hinn and Paul Crouch, Jr. discussed during the May 3, 2010 TBN “Praise the Lord” telecast:

Benny Hinn: There was a race on this earth. They were not created in God’s image and likeness. That’s why no salvation was offered them.

Paul Crouch, Jr.: Neanderthal? Neanderthal man?

Benny Hinn: Could be. We don’t know that. I believe, yes. But they were creatures, half-animal/half-man, described in detail in Revelation, we’ll go to in just a second.

[End of transcript]

The telecast may be viewed at :// (scroll down to the Monday May 3, 2010 telecast and click on 300k for best viewing. The above discussion begins at 40:09 into the telecast).

Christianity teaches that man and woman did not evolve from apes, but were created by God. The creation of man (Adam) is found in Genesis 2:7-8:

Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. The LORD God planted a garden toward the east, in Eden; and there He placed the man whom He had formed.

The creation of woman (Eve) is found in Genesis 2:21-22:

So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place. The LORD God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man.

Some reading this may think, Benny Hinn is just confused or He made a simple mistake. But Benny Hinn claims to have direct communication with the Holy Spirit. If he were serving the real God of the Bible he wouldn’t be a false prophet and false teacher.

FACT Man did not evolve from apes.

FACT Evolution is a lie.

FACT Neanderthal man never existed.

FACT The Bible refutes evolution and Benny Hinn and Paul Crouch, Jr.

FACT Benny Hinn needs to be avoided at all costs!


Well, it seems that you are on your mission – “I am evil, because you are evil”… See you in heaven…



You cannot have it both ways. You cannot call us evil and pretend that we will be in heaven anyway. Jesus Christ said:

For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. (Mat 5:20)

But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death. (Rev 21:8)

Bruno, are you a teacher and yet you do not understand these things? You claim to have back and forth conversations with the Holy Spirit and yet He has not revealed this to you? Jesus Christ said of Him:

And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment (Joh 16:8)

Elmarie A


The sad thing is Bruno, Theresa and Leon do not understand what we are trying to bring to their hearts. A very very sad situation indeed. May God help those who want to be helped. And the Holy Word says leave them they are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.

Luke 23:34-35 (Amplified Bible)

34 And Jesus prayed, Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. And they divided His garments and distributed them by casting lots for them.(A)
35 Now the people stood by [[a]calmly and leisurely] watching; but the rulers scoffed and sneered ([b]turned up
their noses) at Him, saying, He rescued others [[c]from death]; let Him now rescue Himself, if He is the Christ (the Messiah) of God, His Chosen One!

Matthew 15:14
Leave them; they are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.”


Dear Amanda and Elmarie, you judge people because you think you know the Word and thus you think you know the heart. I amazed that you don’t undertand that your perception of me and others is greatly influenced by the the status – quality of your spiritual eyes – the lamp of your body…

Check what the Master says in Luke 11:33-42

33 No one after lighting a lamp puts it in a cellar or crypt or under a bushel measure, but on a lampstand, that those who are coming in may see the light.
34 Your eye is the lamp of your body; when your eye (your conscience) is sound and fulfilling its office, your whole body is full of light; but when it is not sound and is not fulfilling its office, your body is full of darkness.
35 Be careful, therefore, that the light that is in you is not darkness.
36 If then your entire body is illuminated, having no part dark, it will be wholly bright [with light], as when a lamp with its bright rays gives you light.
37 Now while Jesus was speaking, a Pharisee invited Him to take dinner with him, so He entered and reclined at table.
38 The Pharisee noticed and was astonished [to see] that Jesus did not first wash before dinner.
39 But the Lord said to him, Now you Pharisees cleanse the outside of the cup and of the plate, but inside you yourselves are full of greed and robbery and extortion and malice and wickedness.
40 You senseless (foolish, stupid) ones [acting without reflection or intelligence]! Did not He Who made the outside make the inside also?
41 But [dedicate your inner self and] give as donations to the poor of those things which are within [of inward righteousness] and behold, everything is purified and clean for you.
42 But woe to you, Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and every [little] herb, but disregard and neglect justice and the love of God. These you ought to have done without leaving the others undone.

The love of God will give you access to people’s heart and true authority to correct is based on trust and on a pure heart desiring to build up.

I wrote ““I am evil, because you are evil”… See you in heaven” Knowing that you would respond WITHOUT any understanding… EVIL dos not mean that YOU ARE GOING to HELL… It means that you call me to be something BASED on your distorted view of the Word and the Love and the justice of God…

As for “See you in heaven” – I deliberately provoke you because I know you think and believe we are going to hell.

You and your friends, are judging people using the Word of God – I really hope you are perfect and without sin… BECAUSE FOR THE LAST TIME : You are not like the Son of God in your attitude and Words..

No matter what I will say, you will come on me like a pharisee. I don’t know you so I can not say you are going to hell, I confirm that according to your reaction : you manifest a pharisaical spirit – superior – judging everyone according to
litteral interpretation of some verses of the Word, without HIS heart… If you truly want to restore people, 1. START to intercede for them. 2 Build relationship with them. 3. When trust is established, share with them what you perceive to be a mistake or a serious error of doctrine. 4. BE sure to walk in the light. 5. Walk a road with that person.

This being said, thank you for your time… Learn to see people through HIS eyes and you will bring life instead of trying to help with condemnation and judgement and bringing guilt and a spirit of fear on people around you… Because many who are weak and who do not have a strong fellowship with God’s Spirit will be weakened by your attitude. More than your words, people who submit themselves to your teaching will get your spirit.

In His love,


Elmarie A


Dear Amanda and Elmarie, you judge people because you think you know the Word and thus you think you know the heart.

Bruno I say again it is not our place to judge or condem anyone. We are not doing what you are accusing us of.

Consider this: “What does the Bible mean that we are not to judge others?”
Answer: This is an issue that has confused many people. On one hand, we are commanded by the Lord Jesus, “Do not judge, or you too will be judged” (Matthew 7:1). On the other hand, the Bible also exhorts us to beware of evildoers and false prophets and to avoid those who practice all kinds of evil.

How are we to discern who these people are if we do not make some kind of judgment about them?

Christians are often accused of “judging” whenever they speak out against a sinful activity. However, that is not the meaning of the Scripture verses that state, “Do not judge.” There is a righteous kind of judgment we are supposed to exercise—with careful discernment (John 7:24). When Jesus told us not to judge (Matthew 7:1), He was telling us not to judge hypocritically. Matthew 7:2-5 declares, “For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” What Jesus was condemning here was hypocritical, self-righteous judgments of others.

In Matthew 7:2-5, Jesus warns against judging someone else for his sin when you yourself are sinning even worse. That is the kind of judging Jesus commanded us not to do. If a believer sees another believer sinning, it is his Christian duty to lovingly and respectfully confront the person with his sin (Matthew 18:15-17). This is not judging, but rather pointing out the truth in hope—and with the ultimate goal—of bringing repentance in the other person (James 5:20) and restoration to the fellowship. We are to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15). We are to proclaim what God’s Word says about sin. 2 Timothy 4:2 instructs us, “Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage — with great patience and careful instruction.” We are to “judge” sin, but always with the goal of presenting the solution for sin and its consequences—the Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6).

Elmarie A


Check what the Master says in Luke 11:33-42

Thank you I have read what God says in the Scripture.

Matthew Henry’s Whole Bible Commentary
Verses 37-54

Christ here says many of those things to a Pharisee and his guests, in a private conversation at table, which he afterwards said in a public discourse in the temple (Mt. 23); for what he said in public and private was of a piece. He would not say that in a corner which he durst not repeat and stand to in the great congregation; nor would he give those reproofs to any sort of sinners in general which he durst not apply to them in particular as he met with them; for he was, and is, the faithful Witness. Here is,

I. Christ’s going to dine with a Pharisee that very civilly invited him to his house (v. 37); As he spoke, even while he was speaking, a certain Pharisee interrupted him with a request to him to come and dine with him, to come forthwith, for it was dinner-time. We are willing to hope that the Pharisee was so well pleased with his discourse that he was willing to show him respect, and desirous to have more of his company, and therefore gave him this invitation and bade him truly welcome; and yet we have some cause to suspect that it was with an ill design, to break off his discourse to the people, and to have an opportunity of ensnaring him and getting something out of him which might serve for matter of accusation or reproach, v. 53, 54. We know not the mind of this Pharisee; but, whatever it was, Christ knew it: if he meant ill, he shall know Christ does not fear him; if well, he shall know Christ is willing to do him good: so he went in, and sat down to meat. Note, Christ’s disciples must learn of him to be conversable, and not morose. Though we have need to be cautious what company we keep, yet we need not be rigid, nor must we therefore go out of the world.

II. The offence which the Pharisee took at Christ, as those of that sort had sometimes done at the disciples of Christ, for not washing before dinner, v. 38. He wondered that a man of his sanctity, a prophet, a man of so much devotion, and such a strict conversation, should sit down to meat, and not first wash his hands, especially being newly come out of a mixed company, and there being in the Pharisee’s dining-room, no doubt, all accommodations set ready for it, so that he need not fear being troublesome; and the Pharisee himself and all his guests, no doubt, washing, so that he could not be singular; what, and yet not wash? What harm had it been if he had washed? Was it not strictly commanded by the canons of their church? It was so, and therefore Christ would not do it, because he would witness against their assuming a power to impose that as a matter of religion which God commanded them not. The ceremonial law consisted in divers washings, but this was none of them, and therefore Christ would not practise it, no not in complaisance to the Pharisee who invited him, nor though he knew that offence would be taken at his omitting it.

III. The sharp reproof which Christ, upon this occasion, gave to the Pharisees, without begging pardon even of the Pharisee whose guest he now was; for we must not flatter our best friends in any evil thing.

1. He reproves them for placing religion so much in those instances of it which are only external, and fall under the eye of man, while those were not only postponed, but quite expunged, which respect the soul, and fall under the eye of God, v. 39, 40. Now observe here, (1.) The absurdity they were guilty of: “You Pharisees make clean the outside only, you wash your hands with water, but do not wash your hearts from wickedness; these are full of covetousness and malice, covetousness of men’s goods, and malice against good men.” Those can never be reckoned cleanly servants that wash only the outside of the cup out of which their master drinks, or the platter out of which he eats, and take no care to make clean the inside, the filth of which immediately affects the meat or drink. The frame or temper of the mind in every religious service is as the inside of the cup and platter; the impurity of this infects the services, and therefore to keep ourselves free from scandalous enormities, and yet to live under the dominion of spiritual wickedness, is as great an affront to God as it would be for a servant to give the cup into his master’s hand, clean wiped from all the dust on the outside, but within full of cobwebs and spiders. Ravening and wickedness, that is, reigning worldliness and reigning spitefulness, which men think they can find some cloak and cover for, are the dangerous damning sins of many who have made the outside of the cup clean from the more gross, and scandalous, and inexcusable sins of whoredom and drunkenness. (2.) A particular instance of the absurdity of it: “Ye fools, did not he that made that which is without make that which is within also? v. 40. Did not that God who in the law of Moses appointed divers ceremonial washings, with which you justify yourselves in these practices and impositions, appoint also that you should cleanse and purify your hearts? He who made laws for that which is without, did not he even in those laws further intend something within, and by other laws show how little he regarded the purifying of the flesh, and the putting away of the filth of that, if the heart be not made clean?” Or, it may have regard to God not only as a Lawgiver, but (which the words seem rather to import) as a Creator. Did not God, who made us these bodies (and they are fearfully and wonderfully made), make us these souls also, which are more fearfully and wonderfully made? Now, if he made both, he justly expects we should take care of both; and therefore not only wash the body, which he is the former of, and make the hands clean in honour of his work, but wash the spirit, which he is the Father of, and get the leprosy in the heart cleansed.

To this he subjoins a rule for making our creature-comforts clean to us (v. 41): “Instead of washing your hands before you go to meat, give alms of such things as you have” (ta enonta- of such things as are set before you, and present with you); “let the poor have their share out of them, and then all things are clean to you, and you may use them comfortably.” Here is a plain allusion to the law of Moses, by which it was provided that certain portions of the increase of their land should be given to the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow; and, when that was done, what was reserved for their own use was clean to them, and they could in faith pray for a blessing upon it, Deu. 26:12-15. Then we can with comfort enjoy the gifts of God’s bounty ourselves when we send portions to them for whom nothing is prepared, Neh. 8:10. Job ate not his morsel alone, but the fatherless ate thereof, and so it was clean to him (Job 31:17); clean, that is, permitted and allowed to be used, and then only can it be used comfortably. Note, What we have is not our own, unless God have his dues out of it; and it is by liberality to the poor that we clear up to ourselves our liberty to make use of our creature-comforts.

2. He reproves them for laying stress upon trifles, and neglecting the weighty matters of the law, v. 42. (1.) Those laws which related only to the means of religion they were very exact in the observance of, as particularly those concerning the maintenance of the priests: Ye pay tithe of mint and rue, pay it in kind and to the full, and will not put off the priests with a modus decimandi or compound for it. By this they would gain reputation with the people as strict observers of the law, and would make an interest in the priests, in whose power it was many a time to do them a kindness; and no wonder if the priests and the Pharisees contrived how to strengthen one another’s hands. Now Christ does not condemn them for being so exact in paying tithes (these things ought ye to have done), but to think that this would atone for the neglect of their greater duties; for, (2.) Those laws which relate to the essentials of religion they made nothing of: You pass over judgment and the love of God, you make no conscience of giving men their dues and God your hearts.

3. He reproves them for their pride and vanity, and affectations of precedency and praise of men (v. 43): “Ye love the uppermost seats in the synagogues” (or consistories where the elders met for government); “if you have not those seats, you are ambitious of them; if you have, you are proud of them; and you love greetings in the markets, to be complimented by the people and to have their cap and knee.” It is not sitting uppermost, or being greeted, that is reproved, but loving it.

4. He reproves them for their hypocrisy, and their colouring over the wickedness of their hearts and lives with specious pretences (v. 44): “You are as graves overgrown with grass, which therefore appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them, and so they contract the ceremonial pollution which by the law arose from the touch of a grave.” These Pharisees were within full of abominations, as a grave of putrefaction; full of covetousness, envy, and malice; and yet they concealed it so artfully with a profession of devotion, that it did not appear, so that they who conversed with them, and followed their doctrine, were defiled with sin, infected with their corruptions and ill morals, and yet, they making a show of piety, suspected no danger by them. The contagion insinuated itself, and was insensibly caught, and those that caught it thought themselves never the worse.

IV. The testimony which he bore also against the lawyers or scribes, who made it their business to expound the law according to the tradition of the elders, as the Pharisees did to observe the law according to that tradition.

1. There was one of that profession who resented what he said against the Pharisees (v. 45): “Master, thus saying thou reproachest us also, for we are scribes; and we are therefore hypocrites?” Note, It is a common thing for unhumbled sinners to call and count reproofs reproaches. It is the wisdom of those who desire to have their sin mortified to make a good use of reproaches that come from ill will, and to turn them into reproofs. If we can in this way hear of our faults, and amend them, it is well: but it is the folly of those who are wedded to their sins, and resolved not to part with them, to make an ill use of the faithful and friendly admonitions given them, which come from love, and to have their passions provoked by them as if they were intended for reproaches, and therefore fly in the face of their reprovers, and justify themselves in rejecting the reproof. Thus the prophet complained (Jer. 6. 10): The word of the Lord is to them a reproach; they have no delight in it. This lawyer espoused the Pharisee’s cause, and so made himself partaker of his sins.

2. Our Lord Jesus thereupon took them to task (v. 46): Woe unto you also, ye lawyers; and again (v. 52): Woe unto you lawyers. They blessed themselves in the reputation they had among the people, who thought them happy men, because they studied the law, and were always conversant with that, and had the honour of instructing the people in the knowledge of that; but Christ denounced woes against them, for he sees not as man sees. This was just upon him for taking the Pharisee’s part, and quarrelling with Christ because he reproved them. Note, Those who quarrel with the reproofs of others, and suspect them to be reproaches to them, do but get woes of their own by so doing.

(1.) The lawyers are reproved for making the services of religion more burdensome to others, but more easy to themselves, than God had made them (v. 46): “You lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, by your traditions, which bind them out from many liberties God has allowed them, and bind them up to many slaveries which God never enjoined them, to show your authority, and to keep people in awe; but you yourselves touch them not with one of your fingers;” that is, [1.] “You will not burden yourselves with them, nor be yourselves bound by those restraints with which you hamper others.” They would seem, by the hedges they pretended to make about the law, to be very strict for the observance of the law; but, if you could see their practices, you would find that they not only make nothing of those hedges themselves, but make nothing of the law itself neither: thus the confessors of the Romish church are said to do with their penitents. [2.] “You will not lighten them to those you have power over; you will not touch them, that is, either to repeal them or to dispense with them when you find them to be burdensome and grievous to the people.” They would come in with both hands to dispense with a command of God, but not with a finger to mitigate the rigour of any of the traditions of the elders.

(2.) They are reproved for pretending a veneration for the memory of the prophets whom their fathers killed, when yet they hated and persecuted those in their own day who were sent to them on the same errand, to call them to repentance, and direct them to Christ, v. 47-49. [1.] These hypocrites, among other pretences of piety, built the sepulchres of the prophets; that is, they erected monuments over their graves, in honour of them, probably with large inscriptions containing high encomiums of them. They were not so superstitious as to enshrine their relics, or to think their devotions the more acceptable to God for being offered at the tombs of the martyrs; they did not burn incense or pray to them, or plead their merits with God; they did not add that iniquity to their hypocrisy; but, as if they owned themselves the children of the prophets, their heirs and executors, they repaired and beautified the monuments sacred to their pious memory. [2.] Notwithstanding this, they had an inveterate enmity to those in their own day that came to them in the spirit and power of those prophets; and, though they had not yet had an opportunity of carrying it far, yet they would soon do it, for the Wisdom of God said, that is, Christ himself would so order it, and did now foretel it, that they would slay and persecute the prophets and apostles that should be sent them. The Wisdom of God would thus make trial of them, and discover their odious hypocrisy, by sending them prophets, to reprove them for their sins and warn them of the judgments of God. Those prophets should prove themselves apostles, or messengers sent from heaven, by signs, and wonders, and gifts of the Holy Ghost. Or, “I will send them prophets under the style and title of apostles, who yet shall produce as good an authority as any of the old prophets did; and these they shall not only contradict and oppose, but slay and persecute, and put to death.” Christ foresaw this, and yet did not otherwise than as became the Wisdom of God in sending them, for he knew how to bring glory to himself in the issue, by the recompences reserved both for the persecutors and the persecuted in the future state. [3.] That therefore God will justly put another construction upon their building the tombs of the prophets than what they would be thought to intend, and it shall be interpreted their allowing the deeds of their fathers (v. 45); for, since by their present actions it appeared that they had no true value for their prophets, the building of their sepulchres shall have this sense put upon it, that they resolved to keep them in their graves whom their fathers had hurried thither. Josiah, who had a real value for prophets, thought it enough not to disturb the grave of the man of God at Bethel: Let no man move his bones, 2 Ki. 23:17, 18. If these lawyers will carry the matter further, and will build their sepulchres, it is such a piece of over-doing as gives cause to suspect an ill design in it, and that it is meant as a cover for some design against prophecy itself, like the kiss of a traitor, as he that blesseth his friend with a loud voice, rising early in the morning, it shall be counted a curse to him, Prov. 27:14.



I am willing to walk the road with you and the Bible will be the sole authority on what is true and what is false. Let’s just clear up your confusion on what we are doing here. The standard that you set for us is to be like the Son of God. That is not what we are trying to do. We preach repentance and the forgiveness of sins in His Name (Luk 24:47)and we contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints. (Jud 1:3)

We hold to an extreme theology that is constantly under attack. The only thing we can do is to stand on the Word and to reject anything that contradicts it. If we speak of sin and righteousness and judgment (Joh 16:8) and fear of the Lord, it is because Jesus Christ spoke of it (Mat 10:28). We should not soften it because somebody’s feelings might be hurt. We do not do it out of malice, but to prepare the way to deliver the Good News. We should proclaim the Law “so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God. For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.” (Rom 3:19-20)

Theresa is fully convinced of my sinfulness and she is right to agree with God that I should receive justice. Furthermore, when people demand a list of my good works [to cancel out my bad ones, I suppose], I don’t have any and cannot answer them. I have never even helped an old lady across the street, let alone raised somebody from the dead. When you look at my performance you can only conclude that I am an utter failure. The fact that I think kittens are cute cannot redeem me from smiling at my neighbour and calling him a fool in my heart. In the race to righteousness, I am a non-starter. Yet I have full assurance that I will hear the words:

‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’
(Mat 25:21)

It is outrageous that one such as myself could have such assurance! Either I am deluded or God’s Word is true:

But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it– the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. (Rom 3:21-28)

My sins that Theresa has listed plus all the others, past, present and future, have been atoned for. I sin and Jesus Christ bore the full punishment. In stead of justice, I get grace.

For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. (2Co 5:21)

For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. For one will scarcely die for a righteous person–though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die– but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. (Rom 5:6-10)

This is the outrageous claim of Christianity and a stumbling block to Theresa that God could give so much grace to a sinner and that my faith in Jesus Christ would count as righteousness.

Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. And to the one who does not work but trusts him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works: “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin.”
(Rom 4:4-8)

Bruno, when you wrote to provoke me, you did not get the response you were looking for, because I agree with you that we cannot judge whether somebody is truly saved or not. But we can and we must judge if teachings are true. If you were saying that evil will inherit heaven, your were wrong and I showed you why. Now you can judge if I am correct to say that faith in Jesus Christ, and not works, is how sinners are justified in front of a holy Judge.


Hi All, Elmarie Bruno Leon and Theresa.

Wow what a debate!!!

Few points,but first THERESA!! PLEASE WRITE IN PARAGRAPHS!!!!!!!!!

LEON! the term “Kick some devil butt” to me my brother is made from a lack of maturity somewhat and a lack of understanding of the word of God. I believe that some people are used to deliver people but it is not to be done in a patronizing name calling manner. Jude and Peter should teach you about how to view Satan. Not even the arc angel Michael brought an accusation against the devil but said rather let the Lord rebuke you. There is a principple here Leon. The devil may be a fallen angelic being but he is still an angelic being. And i say this tongue in cheek Leon but it is he who could kick your butt if God so let him.

The principle is you have no power or authority apart from Christ.

Still with Leon: Leon you stated on your website;
“Please be advised that the material which I have gleaned from and caught has been from Kim Clement, Benny Hinn and my own experiences with the Holy Spirit, founded on scripture.

LEON: Benny Hinn has been shown by the words of his own mouth that he is a false prophet.He has stated that Jesus would one day soon walk down the aisle physically and appear with him on stage. And what did Jesus say about that: Mark 13:

21 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘Look, there he is!’ do not believe it.
22 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect— if that were possible.

So Leon, who am I to believe in this ,a man called Benny Hinn or Jesus. Leon have you ever heard of a guy called “Marjoe Gotner” well if you think that a man can say Jesus is Lord with his mouth but not be false then google this mans name. He did a documentary about himself in the 70s. It is in nine parts on youtube. I suggest you watch it all.

BRUNO: Ditto for you.

THERESA: Binding and loosing: This is not about binding the devil but it is about discipline in the church of a sinner. Read the chapter again and look at all the verses. It begins about a “brother who sins” and then continues and in the middle mentions the “binding and loosing verse and then continues with the conversation on “How many times must I forgive my brother”. Theresa, I ask you, does one take a teaching about binding the devil from these verses. In fact if you go through Revelations you will see that an angel is given the authority to bind Satan…once.

Now I understand, the term binding could loosely apply to stopping his work in an individual through deliverance. But no individual has the power the right or the authority to personally bind the Devil. And as I have seen it written ” if people are binding the devil who keeps loosing him” . I personally go no further than this, “we are not unaware of his schemes.”

ELMARIE. As you may be aware I have recently joined the debates here and understand the need to bring discernment. It is certainly not going on in our individual churches at least in my experience. People can buy what books CD.s attend whatever conferences etc they want and no one in leadership warns them or at least discusses these teachers. In the part of the body I attend some will buy teachings and books of Benny Hinn and some will abhor what he is about and so on with others, but the leadership seems to have no opinion. Hence the rise of these discernment sites.

That said I need to mention one man. Neville Norden. I am sharing a house with a Lady from S.A and she knows him personally over many years and her son is a youth pastor there who I have met and he is a lovely Godly man who loves Jesus. I know thats just my opinion. My friend says that Neville Norden is an absolute Godly lovely man and she was quite shocked that you spoke out against him. And incidentally she says that he and others warned and pleaded with ray McCauley to not go the way he went. her point was that your associating them together in a positive light was wrong. What is your thoughts about this.




On a side note, Marc Bredenkamp is Pastor Leon and Pastor Bruno’s senior pastor. Marc’s prophetic word South Africa is on Neville’s webpage.

[]…Although there will be wars and even rumours of wars, and even in South Africa, they will suggest that there shall be bloodshed yet again”. The Spirit of the Lord says “Don’t listen to them, phooey to that, because I shall arise for I have found My righteous ones, I have found those who would intercede, I have found those who would pray, I have found those who would prophecy, I have found those who would praise me” and God says “I am going to breathe upon this nation. Yes, even in the city of Pretoria. I am going to turn everything around. I am going to turn everything around says God.

[ ]… “Therefore God says “Watch this thing now. I will reciprocate and I will respond. Your prayers and your giving have come up before me as a memorial and I am ready to do a new thing on the planet. Yes, a new thing even in your city. Yes a new thing, a new thing in this land. Get ready, for the old shall begin to die off, and when you see the death of prominent leaders of the nations of this world, take note as a sign, it is a sign My child, yes it is a sign – that I am about to do something brand new on this planet and I have marked you to receive the power of My Holy Spirit in this hour. Therefore rejoice, and again I say rejoice!”

There is more.

Theresa is also a prophet:

What I sensed in my spirit, was confirmed by a word given 5 years ago and brought to remembrance last night—exactly 5 years later (to the date)—5 is the number of GRACE…YAHWEH knew that nations from around the world would come to South Africa in 2010, exactly 5 years after giving this Word to Theresa Watermeyer from KZN. People read this prophetic word and see the confirmation from what I sensed in my spirit with my post yesterday (also on the 10th of June) …time for playing religion is OVER—time for MOCKING GOD is over—let the true sons of GOD MANIFEST AND BE REVEALED IN THIS HOUR!!!

“Tell the people of this land that I love them, that I wish to bless them and that I wish to open the windows of heaven upon this country, but there is a PRICE I seek. I seek TOTAL LOYALTY and SUBMISSION to My word and My law; not mans law. This country has fallen into the hands of the lawless because they have turned from My truth. The people of this country are no better than those who worshipped the false gods of yesterday! I hear the people of this country say ” But Lord, the majority of this country are Christians, we profess Your word and Jesus Your Son,” but I say to them: “I do not know you!” They have made false doctrine spoken in My Name their idols. They follow the “circus show” of CERTAIN churches, with many leaders proclaiming Me, yet they are nothing but the ringleaders of this circus!

I have sent My prophets, My apostles, My messengers to the people of this country to take them from darkness into the light, yet they MOCK and scorn those I sent. Many in this country sit in churches yet they DECEIVE themselves because the churches are as dead as they are. If My SPIRIT is not there, then there is no life! Tell the people of this country of My love, for I want to do a GREAT THING for this country. I want to bring REVIVAL, starting at the tip of the continent- I want to send revival like a rushing wave, starting with SOUTH AFRICA, but its people must TURN BACK to Me- they must SEEK My word. They must seek My laws. I do not favour the laws of this country that do not honour or give glory to My name.

There is more. All Law, no Gospel.

Elmarie A

As you may be aware I have recently joined the debates here and understand the need to bring discernment.

Welcome again Greg and Amen to your understanding for discernement and you are in my prayers with your struggles in Mosselbay.

It is certainly not going on in our individual churches at least in my experience.

Greg most churches of today really preach a different Gospel. The churches dont want to preach about real discernment because then the phews will be empty and the pastors/preachers will be poor. Most churches I know of in our area of Pretoria east have also done the Rick Warren Purpose Driven thing and 40 day fasting. But Rick Warren is another fish of colour as you may well know or find out.

People can buy what books CD.s attend whatever conferences etc they want and no one in leadership warns them or at least discusses these teachers.

Correct yes because it is all just one big big interwoven network world wide. My opinion is they are preparing the churches toward the coming one world religion one day soon.

In the part of the body I attend some will buy teachings and books of Benny Hinn and some will abhor what he is about and so on with others, but the leadership seems to have no opinion.

Yes the leaders would actually rather punt these Heretics books and that is sad. Now I ask is this because the leaders are blinded or are the wolves in sheep clothing. Some of us with discernment have to read these books and watch these dvds so that we can warn others against it. Ezekiel 33:6

Hence the rise of these discernment sites.

A discernment site could also be dangerous espescially if they cannot give proof for their findings and I have found some of them on the internet, they are then false discernment sites. We are to test absolutely everything to see whether it proceed for God. I cannot stress that enough. 1 Thessalonians 5:21

That said I need to mention one man. Neville Norden. I am sharing a house with a Lady from S.A and she knows him personally over many years and her son is a youth pastor there who I have met and he is a lovely Godly man who loves Jesus. I know thats just my opinion. My friend says that Neville Norden is an absolute Godly lovely man and she was quite shocked that you spoke out against him. And incidentally she says that he and others warned and pleaded with ray McCauley to not go the way he went. her point was that your associating them together in a positive light was wrong. What is your thoughts about this.

Yes Greg and please tell your lady friend i’m very sorry and it was an absolute shock for me as well to have found out Neville Norden forms part of the false teachers and churches too. You can follow my comments to Ruoall above and read all and follow all the links that confirms my findings that Neville is part of the false churches and decide whether you agree with me or not. You know it makes me think about a verse in the Word where it says they will deceive even the elect and it makes one very sad. But these are Biblical facts.

Christians aren’t to automatically accept every claim that is made by somebody supposedly speaking for God. The Bible is clear that we are to test every claim we hear against Scripture; if it contradicts something taught by Scripture, we should steer clear.

Jesus said Himself: Matthew 24:24
For false Christs and false prophets will arise, and they will show great signs and wonders so as to deceive and lead astray, if possible, even the elect (God’s chosen ones).

Godbless and peace be with you.

Elmarie A


Yes as you say : “There is more. All Law, no Gospel.” I Echo your words yes!!



You can hear what God says about Neville through Harold:
Prophetic Word over Nevil Norden & Pretoria (Harold Weitsz 2009-08-14)

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