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False Teachers and Prophets – Methods of Operation

False Teachers and Prophets - Methods of Operation

False Teachers and ProphetsFalse Teachers and Prophets – Methods of Operation

by Jean Joubert

It is very sad to see people who call themselves Christians being so ignorant of the Scripture and then they land up in all these “problem” situations like Toronto and Lakeland.

Here in South Africa we have similar “problem” ministries and people doing the rounds. The most famous currently is Angus Buchan with his Shalom ministries and Mighty Men Conferences. He is currently “spreading his wings” internationally so you might hear of him shortly also in your country.

As I am leading a few house church groups, I have been praying for wisdom on how to warn people of these false teachers/prophets and ministries and what to lookout for. Apart from checking their doctrine, I have been led to investigate something I call “their methods of operation”.

I believe God has shown me something regarding their methods and I want to share it with you.

These false prophets and teachers always focus on the flesh and the desires of the flesh. The Bible however clearly states:

1 Pe 4:2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

We know that these false prophets and teachers use Amen’s, Hallelujahs, music and repeated choruses to get emotions going and to get the people’s minds from a Beta state to an Alpha state so that they then just go with the flow without discerning what is being said or preached. [DTW: music plays a huge part in getting the crowd: relaxed, hyped up, excited, emotional, expectant etc)

All of these false teachers and prophets however also like to make use of the following phrase in one form or another for example:. “I can feel the Spirit in this place”, “this place is pregnant with the spirit”, “I can feel the anointing in this place” or “I sense a Spirit of healing in this place” etc. Angus Buchan himself also likes to use these phrases.  [DTW: This is a very cunning thing to say for a few reasons: 1) He is preparing you psychologically to accept strange happenings if and when they do occur, 2) If the pastor says the Holy Spirit is here, then surely He must be for why would the pastor lie? 4) People want to know that the Holy Spirit is in the building because they do not have the Holy Spirit IN them and know no better.]

They always say something about “sensing” or “feeling” the Spirit. They regularly use this then to mislead and confuse the people by telling them that the atmosphere which they are feeling is in fact the Holy Spirit that is present in the place. They thus say that the building contains the Holy Spirit or that the Spirit can be felt physically. They usually abuse and twist the scripture that says:

Mat 18:20 For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them.

The truth regarding this “feeling” of the Spirit I believe is the following. Scripture teaches us:

Eph 2:1 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins,

Eph 2:2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.

Eph 2:3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our sinful nature and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath.

  • The word air in verse 2 is the Greek word – and means: The air we breathe or the atmosphere surrounding us.
  • The word cravings in verse 3 is the Greek word – epithumia – and means: desire, craving, longing, desire for what is forbidden, lust
  • The word following in verse 3 is the Greek word – poieo – and means: to produce, construct, form, fashion, to make a thing out of something, to be the authors of a thing, to perform to a promise . .etc
  • The word desires in verse 3 is the Greek word – thelema – and means: what one wishes or has determined shall be done

[DTW:  Many pastors now a days are referring to the atmosphere in their teachings, be it ‘releasing faith into the atmosphere’, ‘expecting things to happen in the atmosphere’, ‘atmosphere is full of the Glory of God’, ‘spiritual warfare taking place in the atmosphere’, ‘opening the heavens (or atmosphere)’. This is new age teaching and anti-Christ.]

What do we learn from this?

  • The atmosphere does NOT contain the Spirit of God.
  • Satan is the ruler of the atmosphere.
  • If I have a physical sensing of a spirit in the atmosphere, it will not be the Holy Spirit.
  • The fleshly person cannot say no to the cravings of their flesh and they will always follow it’s desires.

Now let us apply this to a meeting . . .

If we, by choice, allow ourselves to be influenced through our senses by the surrounding atmosphere in a church or stadium (created by worship leaders, false prophets or teachers) our fleshly desires (good feelings or feeling good) will become our main objective/desire in these meetings to such an extend that we will even produce the desired effects/feelings so that our desires can be fulfilled. We will thus wilfully ignore the gentle warning prompting of the Holy Spirit and rather “enjoy” these good feelings because we want it.

The focus is on ME and not on God. I want to be blessed, I want to feel the Spirit, I want to be physically touched, I want the anointing, I want to be “slain in the Spirit” ..etc.

The people that flock to these anointing meetings are actually saying:

“My flesh is alive and well and it is desiring/demanding to be satisfied and I will allow it to be satisfied because I want it to be so!”

The scary part for me is that we end up worshipping and praying to this God / Spirit that we feel in the atmosphere!

That might explain why an attendee of the Angus Buchan Mighty Men Conference (MMC 2008) said: “We took the God of Angus home with us . . “

These false prophets/teachers themselves are also feeding the lust of their flesh themselves because, they know that if they can give the people a feel good experience they will be popular with the people and because of that they will get good revenues.

By the way, to be “slain in the Spirit” is also abused by these Prophets and teachers. The Biblical “slain in the Spirit” is very different than that being practised today. Biblical “slain in the spirit” means death! Ananias and Sapphira lied to the Spirit and was slain in the Spirit ! (Acts 5)

It seems that this “fleshly” problem of the Ephesians really is seen as a BIG stumbling block. A few chapters further on in Ephesians we read the following:

Eph 4:14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.

Eph 4:17 So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking.

Eph 4:18 They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts.

Eph 4:19 Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, with a continual lust for more.

This words futility of their thinking, darkened understanding, ignorance and hardened hearts are all interconnected.

These are all the results of following their fleshly desires. Look also at this following scripture:

Hos 4:11 Harlotry and wine and new wine take away the heart and the mind and the spiritual understanding. (AMP)

  • The word harlotry in the above scripture is the word – zenooth – in Hebrew and means: adultery and idolatry – to place something above God or to make an idol of yourself.
  • The word wine in the above scripture is the word – yahyin – in Hebrew and means: to be bubbling as if intoxicated ; To be in natural commotion [Deborah’s note: The new Apostles and Prophets are always talking about the ‘new move’ of God, the ‘move into the supernatural’, a ‘Revival’, a ‘new wine‘. Now we know that this ‘new wine’ takes away the heart, the mind and spiritual understanding]
  • The words the heart in the above scripture is the word – leb – in Hebrew and means: inner man, mind, will, heart, understanding

This problem of fleshly desire highlighted here leads to a separation from God. The Ephesians did not heed these warnings. In Rev 2:4-5 we see that 30 years later they were on the verge of losing it all.

I believe a lot of our problems arise because we don’t know how the Holy Spirit operates and how we then interact and react to this prompting or unction of the spirit in our lives.

1Jo 2:20  But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.

1Jo 2:27  But the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as His anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true and no lie, and as He has taught you, abide in Him.

Note: the Holy Spirit is in me and operates through and inner unction or knowing. There is no sensing or feelings involved.

We know that Satan has always been using our senses and our fleshly lusts to deceive us.

From Eve (looks good to eat, pleasant to the eyes, Gen 3:6) to David (Bathsheba- very beautiful to look upon 2Sam 11:2) right through to Jesus (makes these stone turn to bread Mat 4:3) Satan has made an appeal on our senses to try to get us to follow him. He knows if we bow to our fleshly desires we are following the world and not God’s will.

1 Jo 2:15 Do not love the world, nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him,

1 Jo 2:16 because all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

We currently have a nice “feel good” religion being preached in the church today that will get you into hell!

Pro 14:12 There is a way which seemed right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

People are baited into churches through entertainment. The only way to keep them there is to keep them entertained by feeding their fleshly desires. We must stop following our fleshly desires/lust and get grounded in solid Word teaching leading to eternal life!

Joh 8:31 Then Jesus said to the Jews who believed on Him: “If you continue in My Word, you are My disciples indeed And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”

I believe that these current false prophets and teachers are just a shadow of the real spirit of the anti-Christ allowed by God to give us “practise” time and to teach us how to discern the truth from the false. These current false prophets and teachers are still obvious in their errors but when the real “angel of light” comes, he will be much more slick and crafty and if you are not “awake” and “prepared” he WILL “catch” you.

If we cannot discern these current false people, how will be able to discern the final false prophet?

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Here is a quote that sums up just how demonic this ‘slain in the spirit / calling ‘fire’ thing is from Nancy Flint who worked for John Wimber, Vineyard Movement / Toronto Blessing (see link of list of names below for Interfaith movement) and had this to say about their devious practises;

“… run the gamut from introducing heretical doctrine, to manipulation of spiritual forces through the bringing down of “fire” from heaven, virtually all pockets of resistance to this global movement have been overcome… Literally thousands of church leaders have been trained and “deployed” into “power” positions from this seminary.”

If this above highlighted in red does not scare you, then…I don’t know what will…actually that entire quote above is frightening because it also tells us that these false preachers have infiltrated the very core of the church, that practically every church is infected and any resistance to this poisonous takeover has been overcome.

I just want to point out something. Some people are confusing ‘fleshly’ desires with good works. For example, they are saying, ‘but surely if you are hungry and poor that is a fleshly desire.” This is not what this article is taking about. The fleshly desire that is spoken about here is the desire to associate a false spirit with that of the Holy Spirit. Lastly the sentence above that uses I, WE, OUR; someone said it’s difficult to worship or pray without using the words I, we, our. Again, that is not what this article is saying, of course we use the words I, we, our, in a sentence everyday, all day, how else do you complete a sentence about yourself to someone else. You take this article and you find silly arguments to detract from the seriousness of allowing oneself to be overruled by false spirits because some prefer to disobey the Word of God and follow ‘fleshly desires’. False teaching and false/fleshly desires (deception, allowing yourself to be taken in by false spirits producing false feelings) go hand in hand.]

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25 comments to False Teachers and Prophets – Methods of Operation

  • Michael Anthony

    To think that once upon a time I stood on a pulpit and stated that the ‘fire of God is about to hit this place’. I sincerely thought that fire meant conviction. (This is the mess we get into when we follow habits and methods other are using)

    Fire did come into the meeting – people at the back were taking off their shoes and almost seemingly walking on coals. It was a real ‘holy ghost’ meeting with weird manifestations.

    I was blind, leading the blind.

    Thank God for His rebuke, His correction, His patience, His Mercy.

    Yet, you know – even in those days I suspected something was not right. I was spending too much time ‘praying in the spirit’ and being busy with ministry things. Zero bible study or learning the proper hermeneutics for biblical interpretation. Zero discernment or rightly dividing the word of truth.

    Funny, God still used those days to bring people into repentance and salvation. But at some point you have to pray ‘Lord open my eyes…’

    Because you can pick up speed very rapidly on the freefall of deception.

  • titus

    lets just preach the gosple and forgett about all this mess. Everyone seems to have have the only truth. thats why we are in the mess we are in.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Titus

    You are more than welcome to forget about everything. I would like to be able to continue to discuss and WARN about the FACT that we are being led astray like cattle to the slaughter and that the Gospel of Jesus Christ is no longer the truth anymore (the mess), but everything else is ok, that being, the gospel you want to preach instead – that everything is the truth except Jesus Christ the Son of God.

  • Michael Anthony

    Titus,

    That is a self-refuting statement; if everyone claims to have the truth then everyone minus those that actually have the truth have to be wrong. (Trust me, maths is not that difficult)
    Your line of reasoning is what exactly? That we all come together and by unity we establish the truth? That’s luciferian, we would all be in error then.

    The truth has already been established – it’s not a it, it’s a person; Jesus Christ. He is the word. The way, the TRUTH, the life.

    Let’s all just preach the gospel? Which one? The prosperity gospel, the social gospel, the works gospel, the humanist gospel, the liberal gospel?

    Can you show some manners & intellectual etiquette and actually support these one line statements with some content or reasoning.

  • Werner van Wyk

    Deborah, thanks for the article. Very interesting.
    I have been struggling with this very problem of how to warn family and friends about this issue.
    Is it possible for me to contact you or for you to e-mail me , as I have some specific questions for you re Angus Buchan and some of his associates.

    Thanks

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Werner

    You can contact me via the email address mentioned here: About this Blog/Rules let’s see what we can do to help. This issue is spiritual, we are not battling flesh.

  • mom4truth

    I just had to share- the Holy Spirit did such a neat work today! We live in Colorado, USA and I subscribe to your email updates. Last night we rented this little movie about a farmer having faith- yep, Faith Like Potatoes. I’m sure you’ve heard of it. But today I checked my email and saw the great post on the false prophets, most specifically Angus Buchman and scratched my head because I have never heard of him over here. But, sure enough, we figured out quickly that this little movie we were watching was about the ministry of none other than…Angus Buchman! Needless to say, we returned that movie PDQ. This serves as a perfect example of iron sharpening iron- I received truth from your website and share the same with my friends/family. That’s the Body- working in unison! Thanks!

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Wow mom4truth thank you! I’ve always wondered how the movie Faith like Potatoes is viewed by people outside South Africa. Now there is a movie called Fire Proof as well which many people are finding to be a super dooper movie not realising who producers are the same people that did Angus’ faith like potatoes movie. And that they all fall under the Joel’s army camp.

    Angus’ ministry was raised by Apostolic Reformation individuals from the USA who came to SA like Mike Bickle and Rick Joyner etc and then in a round about way George Otis Jr who set up the (Spiritual Warfare Dept) for C.Peter Wagner at the New Apostolic Reformation ‘headquarters’. George Otis Jr helped Graham Power (South Africa Business man) organise the ‘Global Day of Prayer’ and Graham Power and Angus Buchan are buddies. There is a church here in South Africa called Moreletta Park (Gemeente) NG Churh (Kerk) who are Apostolic through and through with a touch of Word of Faith and just make things worse Emergent as well.

    The first foothold in SA however was John G Lake, William Branham and then the Word of Faith movement stepping in with Rhema Church. Kennith Hagin Ministries offspring. I am sure there were tons of others who helped build this country up for this point in time.

    Anyhow that info is more for South Africans lol. But just to show you that we have big probs. here in South Africa.

  • My name is under a stone I hope

    Agree – I too have been struggling with this very problem of how to warn family and friends about these issues – to the point of (regrettably) fretting & angst. In my circle I am “warned” by people wrapped up in this theology to “not fall away”. Most are not prepared to study further for themselves much less dig deeper into the word as you do… Many thanks

  • Pieter

    Although I have been brought up in the church al my life, I am only recently a converted Christian truly accepting Jesus Christ in my heart and life. I will be the first to admit I am not an expert yet in all of the Word of God, but note the…”yet”. Since Jesus is my light and truth and with the Holy Spirit residing within me I cannot get enough of Gods wonderful Word.
    Why am I even writing here you might ask. Well its simple. See before Jesus became part of my life I was led by man, by what men said and that road led me to becoming a borderline Atheist. Borderline? Yeah God’ grace saved me from ever truly renouncing God.
    Even though I am not an expert as stated above, and does not Judge any of the “false” prophets as mentioned, all I can say is read God’s Word first. Never blindly follow the words of men even if they speak in the authority of Christ. Jesus is the one and only teacher so why not read, learn and follow His words? He gave all we need for salvation within a brilliantly preserved Holy book. Remember your salvation is at stake. Ask the question, if a “man of God” is wrong and you followed him your salvation is lost, but if you chose not to follow him and he was a man of God, but rather followed the Word of God you will not lose your salvation because you did not follow the man. I hope that makes sense.
    In short read your Bible, follow the one true Teacher in Jesus Christ, and if you go to church or belong to some denomination always test a mans word against that of God…

  • Elmarie A

    Thank you. This is so informative.

  • Elmarie A

    Also found a interesting Open Letter to Mr Buchan on website. http://www.graceunlimited.org
    It is a long 50 page letter and you can also listen to a 2 part sermon done by Alan Lester on this. Very interesing.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Elmarie

    That link is under construction? Got another one to go too?

  • Barbara Smyth

    To be honest I find the writing of Jean Joubert to be disturbing. I am glad to get off this site. I appreciate your need to live the truth of the scriptures but you have picked on the wrong person in Angus Buchan. I have read his book – his journey of faith -It is excellent. I have been at a mission where he has preached the word of God – Excellent He has the gift of discernment regarding people who come to missions. He will be able to discern well what you have written. What is wrong is you are uneasy in an atmosphere where God by His Spirit has the freedom to work. The Holy Spirit comes into our lives by invitation and also comes upon us like He came upon the disciples in the scriptures. I hope you receive the healing from God which you need and we all need. Barbara

  • Elmarie A

    Barbara Smyth

    Please read all the articles about Angus Bucan on this blog.
    # Elza Meyer Attacked by Demons, Saved by Son
    # Angus Buchan and the Promise Keepers
    # Graham Power & Angus Buchan – The Transformation of Africa
    # National Initiative for the Reformation of South Africa – NIRSA
    # Kathryn Kuhlman – The Interfaith Faith Healer
    # Turn2God at the Union Buildings was…
    # Stand Up and be Counted – Might Men Conference 2010
    # What did YOU think Revival meant?
    # The Dominionist Faith of Angus Buchan – Faith Like Potatoes
    # Cindy Jacobs – Right Wing Xtian Nazi Communist
    # Faith & Reason Conference (10-15 May 2010 – South Africa)

    and you can also read here

    To be able to discern the truth from the lie is very important.

    One does not need healing for Biblical discernment as it is a Gift from God.

    Angus Buchan likes to mention Benny Hinn and Kathryn Kulman often, and they are also associated with false teachings and some times even demonic teachings.

  • Elmarie A

    Barbara Smyth

    Also read here please.

    Spiritual Deception, Revival and Angus Buchan

    Prof. Johan Malan, South Africa (May 2010)

  • Amanda

    Barbara Smyth

    Why do you call Oom Angus’ preaching excellent when he does not preach repentance and faith in Jesus Christ crucified for sinners? Below is my comment on another thread. It includes Oom Angus’ “conversion”. In it you will not find anything about Jesus Christ and forgiveness of sins. You may find his teaching excellent, but on what grounds do you defend it as Christian?

    Oom Angus held his first campaign in 1990 in a hall in Ladysmith. The first night 6 people answered the alter call and by the end of the week 50 or 60 people came forward each night. That Saturday he preached at an army base and about 1000 soldiers ‘got serious with God’. This is how Oom Angus describes his preaching in Faith Like Potatoes:

    That night set the pattern for the whole campaign. We opened with the music team, who led us in praise and worship. Then I got up and preached. My message was short, punchy, fiery and challenging, about our need to get back to God and a life of holiness. There’s only one way to live our lives for Jesus, and there can be no half-measures: we can’t serve two masters. I’m an evangelist, not a teacher, so although I preach from the Bible I use lots of everyday illustrations, too. I also stride around the stage a lot – I’m a man of the wide open spaces, and I feel too boxed-in in a pulpit!

    Then we sang a meditative hymn, “Just as I am”, and I called forward all the people who wanted to serve Jesus Christ with all their hearts. I don’t go in for closed eyes or bowed heads: if anyone wants to serve the Lord, they have to come right out and do it in front of their neighbours and their friends. It takes courage to stand up in front of the whole town and come forward, and I came sown from the stage to meet them, and led them in the sinner’s prayer.

    This is vintage Buchan. Can you spot the problem, Hawk? Where is the Gospel in that? The people did not go forward because of faith in Jesus Christ to repent and receive forgiveness for their sin. They went forward to repent and report for duty to serve Christ and live holy lives. This is not about what Jesus Christ has done for them, but about what they will do for Him. Oom Angus continues:

    “Dear Lord Jesus, I acknowledge that I’m a sinner. I repent of my sin, and ask you to come into my life and make a fresh start. I thank you that Jesus died for me on Calvary and rose again for my salvation. Thank you for saving me from depression, fear and sin; thank you for living in me and giving me a brand-new opportunity to live for you. Amen.”

    Jesus Christ did not die on the cross to save us from ‘depression, fear and sin’. He died to take our punishment for breaking the Law and to save us from God’s wrath and judgment. If only Oom Angus would use everyday illustrations from the life of Jesus Christ and preach the Gospel, then people might come to faith in Him and not in their good intentions.

    Oom Angus apparently does not see the need to preach Jesus Christ and Him crucified for sinners. Maybe his own conversion story will explain why. Again from Faith Like Potatoes:

    There was an air of expectancy in the church. The lay people were sharing their testimonies, and I sat there with my mouth open as I listened to them. For the first time in my life I saw strong men cry as they told how the Lord had taken care of their needs, restored their businesses and done wonderful things in their lives.

    One guy was a building contractor. He started weeping as he told how his business had gone down and he had contemplated suicide. Then he found Jesus, and now he had a reason to live. Another man told how his marriage had been breaking up, when the Lord had brought him and his wife together again. Their stories pierced my heart. For years I had had no interest in religion, but these men’s words had the ring of truth. I wanted to be part of this kind of life; I wanted to know more.

    “What about you? would you like to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour today?” I looked at the speaker and relised that was exactly what I wanted to do. Jill and I walked to the front of the church with many others, and knelt before the Lord. We prayed the sinner’s prayer together, saying sorry for our sins and asking Jesus to rule our hearts, and a miracle happened. Jesus came into our lives.

    This is the pattern that Oom Angus repeats over and over again. People might get saved at the campaigns, but then it is in spite of the preaching and not because of it.

  • Meyer Blignaut

    Jesus LOVES Angus Buchan

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Meyer

    Jesus loves Angus but HATES the false teaching that comes out of his mouth that sends hundreds if not thousands of people to hell.

  • Eugene

    Michael another good thing you can do is to stop using the flag of Israel

    Amos 5:23 tells us about this star God which has its origins from Solomon and not FROM DAVID!!!!!

    Another thing you can do is to stop believing the Jews who are ready building the temple and who followed the Talmud to which Jesus fought with them about so much are building the new temple in Jerusalem, and thus would provoke God and give the throne the ant-Christ would sit on!

    There is only one way and that is through Jesus Christ. Repent and be baptized and follow his laws!

    Do not be yoked together with the unbelievers!

    May God bring a Change and show you real love and the truth, May you not be some of those he would send the lie to believe because you do not believe and follow his words!

    Amen

  • Starlight

    Deborah (Discerning the World)
    6 November, 2009 at 1:12 am
    Wow mom4truth thank you! I’ve always wondered how the movie Faith like Potatoes is viewed by people outside South Africa. Now there is a movie called Fire Proof as well which many people are finding to be a super dooper movie not realising who producers are the same people that did Angus’ faith like potatoes movie. And that they all fall under the Joel’s army camp.

    Deborah, I love this site and the topics covered here. I learn A LOT. Thanks. I happened to read the above excerpt taken from a comment and Wikipedia states the following wrt the producers of the FLP and FP movies: i don’t understand your statement
    Production
    Faith like Potatoes was produced by Frans Cronje from Global Creative Studios. The majority of the filming took place at Shalom Farm, the famous Buchan farm in Kwa-Zulu Natal.
    Fireproof
    Directed by Alex Kendrick

    Produced by Alex Kendrick
    Stephen Kendrick
    David Nixon

    Written by Alex Kendrick and Stephen Kendrick

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Starlight

    Oh my, that is interesting, now I do feel like a chop. I was under the distinct impression it was made by the same people who filemed Faith Like Potatoes. Now I said this because I saw a program on TV where they spoke about FLP and Fire Proof (the making) as having something to do with one another. hmmm.

  • John Goodrich

    What gospel did Jesus preach? This question seems to be a stumbling block, as well as leg up for many preachers and pastors today. They use it to build up their ministries and gain financially. Jesus preached the gospel of the Kingdom of God, nothing else. This is the measure by which to test the spirits and preachings and make it easy to discern those who are false.

  • Phantom

    Hi!

    I just stumbled on this website and want to affirm most of the things said. We are living in the last days and will find the enemy hard at work to try to deceive the Body of Christ. Most people in the congregation I belong to are spiritually proud and at the same time blinded by the signs, wonders, miracles and prophecies made by false teachers / prophets. The sad fact is that most of the Body of Christ worldwide would rather believe these lies than the Truth and I have been rebuked by them for being “negative” or “harsh” in descerning false doctrine and mass hypnosis in churches.

    It is scary to see how the Kundalinin Force entered the Body of Christ under the name of the “holy spirit”… The same “force” of Star Wars and Co. is now rife within the Charismatic / Pentecostal and Reformed Churches as well as within certain denominations of the Roman Catholic Church. I have somewhat more to say, but will leave it until later.

    Thanks for your information and warning the Body of Christ.

  • John Andrews UK/Ireland

    Barbara Smyth wrote:

    To be honest I find the writing of Jean Joubert to be disturbing. I am glad to get off this site. I appreciate your need to live the truth of the scriptures but you have picked on the wrong person in Angus Buchan. I have read his book – his journey of faith -It is excellent. I have been at a mission where he has preached the word of God – Excellent He has the gift of discernment regarding people who come to missions. He will be able to discern well what you have written. What is wrong is you are uneasy in an atmosphere where God by His Spirit has the freedom to work. The Holy Spirit comes into our lives by invitation and also comes upon us like He came upon the disciples in the scriptures. I hope you receive the healing from God which you need and we all need. Barbara

    The reason people are deceived by Angus Buchan (false teachers and prophets) is explained by Peter in the Bible. We are aware as Christians that we should examine a teaching by diligently looking to the Bible for confirmation of its accuracy. Once we are grounded in the word of God we are protected against dodgy preachers to a large degree. Our discernment improves with time and it becomes easier to reject. The methods used by Angus Buchan is based on audience manipulation and more importantly by using pseudo-christianity which will become clear by reading a short explanation that I have done recently after hearing Angus Buchan in Ireland. Jean Joubert has rightly seen some of the methods used by Angus Buchan and I will add just a snippet of a longer article that I am working on. We are not to forget that we are also gifted discernment if we have the indwelling Christ in us.

    Genuine or False Teachers?
    How would you recognize False Teachers/Prophets/Believers?

    In 2 Peter 1 we read about genuine teachers/believers. And in 2 Peter 2 we read about false teachers/believers. If you put these chapters side by side you will see the difference between true and false teachers/believers.

    1. Different Source: Where does the message come from?

    Peter says, “We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ” (1:16). And then he says the false teachers exploit you “with stories they have made up” (2:3). So the true teacher sources what he says from the Bible. The false teacher relies on his own creativity. He makes up his own message.

    2. Different Message: What is the substance of the message?

    For the true teacher, Jesus Christ is central. “We have everything we need for life and godliness in Him” (1:3). For the false teacher, Jesus is at the margins: “They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them” (2:1).

    Notice the word secretly. It’s rare for someone in church to openly deny Jesus. Movement away from the centrality of Christ is subtle. The false teacher will speak about how other people (himself) can help change your life, but if you listen carefully to what he is saying, you will see that Jesus Christ is not essential to his message.

    ** Now look at your post which praises “Faith like Potatoes” the foundational story of the expanding “Fables of Angus Buchan”. It is a “story made up by Angus” and is devious as it is interwoven with an obviously fictionalized “real life story”. The film is dramatized and Angus has used the movie industry to spread and enlarge his lies.

    Angus Buchan says on his YouTube video of USA meeting in November 2013 that: “You need to have a testimomy because it cannot be questioned” because “they who try and cast doubt on your testimony where not there”. He is creating his own message when a true teacher will use that which is sourced from the Bible.

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