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Help Bail Ray McCauley out of Debt!

Help Bail Ray McCauley out of Debt!
BIG SPENDERS: Ray McCauley and wife Zelda Picture: SEFAKO MABUYA - © 2009 AVUSA, Inc.

BIG SPENDERS: Ray McCauley and wife Zelda Picture: SEFAKO MABUYA – © 2009 AVUSA, Inc.

Right now I wish it was the 1st of April because Ray McCauley is in serious financial debt and you can help him out, no really, you can help him out and send him your cash.

But we have decided that instead of sending him cash, cheques and electronic money transfers via the Internet we will recommend the following books that we believe will assist him greatly:

  • Ray McCauley:  Expect More: Living Your Vision
  • Morris Cerullo:  Financial Breakthrough Bible
  • Joel Osteen:  Your Best Life Now: 7 Steps to Living at Your Full Potential
  • Joel Osteen:  Making Wise Choices – Your Decisions Determine Your Destiny
  • TD Jakes:   Reposition Yourself: Living Life Without Limits
  • Joyce Meyer:   Prepare to Prosper: Moving from the Land of Lack to the Land of Plenty
  • Joyce Meyer:  The Secret Power of Speaking God’s Word 
  • John Bevere:   Honor’s Reward: How to Attract God’s Favor and Blessing
  • Kenneth Copeland:  Laws Of Prosperity – The Principles With Kenneth Copeland – September 20-22, 1984 – Live From The Church At Eagle Mountain – Forth Worth, Texas
  • Joseph Prince:  Destined to Reign: The Secret to Effortless Success, Wholeness and Victorious Living
  • Kenneth E. Hagin:  You Can Have What You Say!

Or, better yet, there is this thing called debt counselling where you learn to manage your money like an adult.  I also recommend you have a psychological assessment done as you display the classic signs of a white collar criminal who cunningly steals from people using the best of tactics: playing on people’s emotions with regards to health and finances.  You place people under spiritual bondage that if they don’t pay tithes God will not be pleased with them, and you do all of this using the name of Jesus Christ.

As for your son, well his only concern is that he won’t get any more pocket money if your life goes pear shaped…

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‘Bail Rhema’s Ray out of debt’

Son’s plea to guests at high-living McCauley’s 60th birthday party

Oct 24, 2009 10:37 PM | By Karen Van Rooyen  © 2009 AVUSA, Inc.

His megachurch collects tithes and offerings of around R70-million a year and he lives the life of a millionaire, but Pastor Ray McCauley needs his flock to bail him out financially

His son, Joshua, 26, has gone cap in hand to about 100 close friends and family to help get his dad, the leader of the Rhema Bible Church, out of debt.

Joshua’s impassioned plea was attached to an invitation to McCauley’s surprise 60th birthday party at the Sandton Convention Centre on Thursday night in “Old Hollywood” style.

“I would love nothing more than to help my father settle his existing debt and see him go into his 60s debt-free,” he wrote.

“As his son, I have felt it in my heart and now humbly request that, should you be considering giving him a gift for his 60th, you consider participating with me in this endeavour.”

McCauley and his wife, Zelda, recently announced that they would be moving back to Johannesburg, after several years of flying from Durban – where they lived in a R6.5-million beachfront mansion – to lead services at the 40000-strong Randburg congregation.

Depending on how the offerings went this week, this year’s gift is likely to be more substantial than the R2030 pair of Prada sunglasses Joshua bought for his dad in 2007. At the time, he billed the church for “Ps Ray’s birthday gift”.

In his quest to help his dad, Joshua described how “from a young boy”, he watched his father “do his utmost to walk the talk”.  [DTW:  okie dokie then]

“You may be aware of the challenges my family has faced, but no matter what the circumstances, I saw my dad be true to the convictions of his faith,” his letter read.

“As his son, it is my greatest wish to honour him with a gift that I know will change his life forever.”  [DTW:   The god of money is known to do that.]

Joshua has refused to reveal how guests responded.  [DTW:  well one of them responded by spilling the beans, it would seem.]

“I don’t believe it’s anybody’s business. I only gave that letter to his close private friends and family. It probably went to about 100 people,” he said.  [DTW: ok, confusion reigns here in sanity land, if it’s no ones business then why are you asking others for money?]

“The reality is that I did it without his knowledge.”  [DTW: and that changes what?  Nothing.]

The charismatic pastor’s money woes come as a surprise, as he is believed to earn more than R100000 a month, and he and his wife have often hit the headlines over their penchant for the finer things in life.

A few years ago, Zelda arrived at a Sunday Times interview carrying a Fendi handbag, and McCauley rode up on his Harley-Davidson motorbike.

Zelda once told the Sunday Times that the secret to her cleavage was Victoria’s Secret, the exclusive underwear range.

“I particularly love French and Italian lace. It may be a bit pricey, but a girl has got to feel good about how she looks,” she said.

McCauley’s birthday was celebrated just days before the 30th anniversary conference of the Rhema Bible Church at the Dome, north of Johannesburg, this weekend.   [DTW:  See article here:  http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/10/20/ray-mccauley-and-joel-osteen-at-the-coca-cola-dome-oct-09]

Guests at the conference included pastors Joel and Victoria Osteen, from one of the fastest-growing churches in the US, pastor Joseph Prince from Singapore and two-time Grammy winner Israel Houghton and New Breed. According to the church website, Karen Zoid, Joe Niemand and Kabelo were also due to perform.  [DTW:  Karen Zoid?  No way!  People will do anything to get in on that massive Gospel money making bandwagon.]

Thursday night’s birthday party was only for the “rich and famous,” according to a disgruntled church member.

“Ordinary citizens and staff of the church were not invited. It’s an abomination what’s happening in that church,” he said. [DTW:  aah, it’s an abomination that the invitation was not extended to the entire world, but preaching lies and deception is ok.  You would think that would have been this disgruntled church members main concern.  No, he/she is upset that they were not invited.  Am I missing something here?  No I am not.]

McCauley has been under pressure over his lavish life-style. Last year he was criticised for spending R25000 on meals, including R365 bottles of Meerlust Merlot, in just over a month.

Zelda, who grew up in an orphanage, said in a magazine interview in 2004 that she set aside Wednesdays for personal pampering, including Botox treatments and massages.

“My appearance is important to me,” she said. “I believe God expects a wife to look good for her husband.”  [DTW: wonder what the first wife did when Botox didn’t exist on the market.]

She said she also shared a weakness with her husband – shopping. “In America, we love hunting for bargains in big shopping centres such as Saw Grass Mill. We love giving to others just as much.”

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45 comments to Help Bail Ray McCauley out of Debt!

  • Eddy Carter-Smith

    The worst enemy of prophets and latterday “preachers” is time.For prophets when their prophecies don’t come to pass.
    Modern preachers,when there materialism sucks them in so deep -they are exposed.”
    My father would always quote;”By there fruits,you shall know them”

  • Discerning the World

    Eddy

    Yip, that’s why they stopped giving dates when giving prophecies aha ;) Cindy Jacobs gave a prophecy for Zim back in 1999 with no date as to when Zim would be the bread basket of Africa again. Hmm I must find that article I wrote and put it back online – I got a lot of slack for that one.

  • Eddy Carter-Smith

    Is this it one of two:

    There are treasure of darkness that have waited till this hour in Africa to be released for the greatest harvest that continent has ever seen, and that the Africans will help protect and heal America, the Lord showed me that. And that which was despised, God is going to bring a humility into the heart of those in America to humble themselves to receive this word because it is in the healing of the nation that is going to come the receiving of the Africans.

    The Lord is showing me that He is getting ready to build an east to the west road across Africa that will physically open up the heart of Africa. The Lord shows me that He is getting ready to reach the unreached and He is going to break open North Africa, break it open. I’m telling you God is going to break it open.

    Hey DTW:you know what i found is that the main line ministers are not such a problem in a sense-they go big and fall big-they are so in your face with falcicity.

    I find scary the local in your communiy attending your lacal”church” girls and boys that influence prophecy localy– these really cause serious damage and devasting destruction-they post there prohpecy for the benefit of there local pals and minister into all aspects of there lives.

    By the way that good response for Ray and Zelda-in my estimation he should have been struck from the role as “minister” when he divorced the fisrst time.”his life example is ‘do what i preach dont,follow what i do”

  • Discerning the World

    On that must be a new prophecy, It got one way worse..lol

    And you are absolutely correct. It’s actually a planned tactic by these Apostolic people to go after the youth as they are the least discerning. This whole generation x thing, and Hillsong etc. Calling fire down onto children and the youth, a spirit of deception to blind them to the truth. Children are also taken to camps and retreats by the church and taught spirituality and meditation. Also taught how to prophecy. Hands laid on them for transferance of annointings. Visions, trips to heaven.

    I actually need to urgently write an article on the Latter Rain army that is being built and the memebers of this army are quite unsuspecting I might add. Latter Rain / New Apostolic actually believe that since 1947 we are in the Joel 2 prophecy where the Holy Spirit is coming down and people are propechying and dreaming dreams. They’ve gone and again applied scripture meant solely for israel to the ‘church’. I found out disturbing news other day that new apostolic christians are slowling moving into Israel. Setting up churches and Jews are now coming to know the Latter Rain ‘Jesus Christ’

    Yeah and Ray should have been dropped as a minister after he chased his first wife away. But apparently the ‘BOARD’ decided to should stay.

  • ItsHellWithoutJESUS

    these people should be ashamed of themselves. they are just drooling with greed! YUCK!

  • louise

    God will take away all his wealth. And when this happens Ray will then understand faith. Who needs GOD when you have so much wealth. You cannot serve 2 masters. Living your life daily and asking GOD to provide for your daily needs is an exercise well needed in the body of Christ today.
    I heard recently that Ray preached a sermon I once heard while under that Ministry. “Touch not Gods Anointed” He loves that sermon. He related a story of his neigbour who took him to court and his neighbour dropped down dead. I know the whole truthful story.
    His neighbour was my brother Norman Reeves and it was my brother and Ray who Mrs Oppenheimer took to court as they stole her beach sand when they had those terrible storms in Durban a few years back. Mrs Oppenheimer won the case and both Norman and Ray had to pay back the legal fees. My brother did die but not as he touched Gods anointed, Ray and him were big buddies.

  • louise

    Ray be very careful on how you twist the truth to suit your stories on a Sunday. You are a great story teller.

  • Gert van Kraayenburg

    Ray McCauley: Expect More: Living Your Vision
    Morris Cerullo: Financial Breakthrough Bible
    Joel Osteen: Your Best Life Now: 7 Steps to Living at Your Full Potential
    Joel Osteen: Making Wise Choices – Your Decisions Determine Your Destiny
    TD Jakes: Reposition Yourself: Living Life Without Limits
    Joyce Meyer: Prepare to Prosper: Moving from the Land of Lack to the Land of Plenty
    Joyce Meyer: The Secret Power of Speaking God’s Word
    John Bevere: Honor’s Reward: How to Attract God’s Favor and Blessing
    Kenneth Copeland: Laws Of Prosperity – The Principles With Kenneth Copeland – September 20-22, 1984 – Live From The Church At Eagle Mountain – Forth Worth, Texas
    Joseph Prince: Destined to Reign: The Secret to Effortless Success, Wholeness and Victorious Living
    Kenneth E. Hagin: You Can Have What You Say!

    OR

    The Secret…………(only known by the secret powers of darkness, the mighty men controlling this world by the power of Satan through all governments of the world rejecting the Holy Word (Bible) of God Almighty and tax people with a burden and overworking not to give time unto their Creator but unto the material things of this world for the delight, pleasure and lust of the flesh and the world by mammon)

    O please why mentioned all these people and their writings…..I have a great concern with most of them and in my spirit unto them there is a clash I do not want to remain……
    Why not refer him/them to the BIBLE and by prayer, the ultimate KJV – 1611, and unto Jesus Christ and so he may pass the preachers (Telepreachers) of prosperity and comfort, health and wealth whereby their wealth and prosperity will never ever buy or bail their precious souls out of the eternal great lake of fire.
    It is a good thing to bring and reveal the unrighteousness and works of darkness unto the light but we must be very carefull as such not to judge as they may repent like Jimmy Swaggart did some years ago, also David in the great sin by murdering.
    My very soul is wheeping and crying with a loud voice unto my Father in heaven and Jesus Christ our beloved Saviour and Redeemer for the redemption of our people to get back to God in Jesus Christ with repentence of sin and the rejection of the powers of darkness of this world, to come into His light by His grace and everlasting love because God Father hate sin and if sinners refuse to repent, He will reject them as they tramp the precious blood of Jesus by their sins.
    Also if we do not warn the sinners and be quiet witnesses of sins committed, then we are partakers and will be spit out of His mouth…….unless we are doers of His Word with love, respect and obedient unto Him with all our hearts and live and speak out the witness we bare of His great salvation in our lives.
    Blessed is he that have an ear to hear what God Almighty says and want us to do…..to be His holy ones…..If you want…..too……
    Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    louise

    His neighbour was my brother Norman Reeves and it was my brother and Ray who Mrs Oppenheimer took to court as they stole her beach sand when they had those terrible storms in Durban a few years back. Mrs Oppenheimer won the case and both Norman and Ray had to pay back the legal fees. My brother did die but not as he touched Gods anointed, Ray and him were big buddies

    You kidding?

  • louise

    I would not lie about that. Google it. Norman died of a heart attack in his Home and he and ray use to take walks on the beach. When I say that birds of a feather flock together I know what that saying means. My brother, actually step brother was not a man you messed with. I failed to go to his funeral for my own personal reasons.

  • louise

    Lol just read that. I would not lie period.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    louise

    Oh I believe you, I was just shocked and my only reply I could think of was ‘you are kidding’? Now all I can say is, ‘wow’. Honestly that’s possibly the worst story I have heard to date.

  • Burning Lamp

    I recently engaged in dialog with ******** over their promotion and devotion of Joseph Prince. I pointed out that his version of the Gospel is perverted to include guarantee of good health and power to obtain wealth. This didn’t phase these folks and they insisted that his teachings and sermons are biblical and they continued to defend him. I am not in any way judging their heart or those who support them, but they are deceived.

    I am sure these are nice people who love the Lord, but they are playing in the pit and spurning discernment. Then I noticed that they link to Sid Roth and I knew it was a hopeless cause to further dialog. They blasted me for daring to question Prince and they even defended TBN. Oh my! This is truly sad.They are looking for the Rapture but they are missing one of the major signs, the falling away of which they are a part.

    I learned of this site through another site called ********. This is the sister who had the dream I questioned and suggested I listen to David Auwor. Not sure of the spelling. I told her I don’t believe in extra bibical revelation and that he has made false prophecies.

    The deception is astounding!! May God open their eyes!

    [Edited: Names of websites removed until further notice ;)]

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    BL

    WOW. NOW THAT IS INTERESTING NEWS. They support Joseph Prince? Ok… let me just stop and think for a bit.. ok.. this is nuts. Benny Hinn makes more sense than Joseph Prince when he preaches. How on earth… I last watched a sermon of Joseph Prince on TBN (I could only tolerate 4 minutes) and it was all about Grace. But the occult version of grace, not the biblical version.

    My goodness… when you thought you’ve seen and heard it all, another one bites the dust.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    BL

    >> Then I noticed that they link to Sid Roth

    I dunno what it is today, but it seems I have to read comments twice cos I am missing stuff. SID ROTH!! Oh my word… I think it’s time to bring out those headache pills again. I am sure you have run out since the last batch I faxed to you haha.

  • Theresa

    Louise, durban is a small place, Norman Reeves was well known for his ‘way of life’ – sad as his death was, for you and his sons, becareful with your judgement! To the rest of you at DTW- I thank God almighty that He is who He is, my judge and that you are not God because then everyone will be condemend to eternal hell! As you might have noticed and I guess deleted, I have commented on several of your topics, each time in the hope that I find just one where I can see the love of Jesus working in you and through you, but sadly NOPE!! NOTHING! NADDA! just condemnation, judging and pointing fingers….how does it feel to be as holy and pure as you? Oh and BTW.. If you had bothered to watch the actual LIVE sermon of Cindy Jacobs and her husband re the golden calf, and not the edited you tube version, you would actually have been able to correctly establish that the truth was that they were not praying to it but praying against it and binding the spiritual forces of mammon that it respresents.. Don’t know where you get the time to still bear all that fruit of salvation -because you have brought 100’s of 1000’s to the Lord Jesus haven’t you, I mean you must have, that is why you can rightfully critizise the large ministries that actually go out of their comfort zones, preach the gospel to the nations, build orphanges, feed the hungry…..I mean obviously you do all that whilst stil googling up trash on people. May you reap 1000 times what you sow and may God allow you to be treated with the same mercy and grace that you show others. You can quote all the scripture you want, but you have only head knowledge and noheart knowledge and you definately have no illumination of the

  • Theresa

    to continue from above…you have no illumination of the Holy Spirit, because if you did you would know, by the Spirit, that when the pastors are saying we are the word, they mean that we are to open our mouths and declare the word of God to the world…We are the vessels through which God works, no where have any of these pastors declared that we are not to read the Word and that Jesus has become nullified, because Jesus after all is the Word, so if you were enlightened spiritually you would understand what they are saying. WE ARE TO BE JESUS IN THE FLESH TO A DYING WORLD!! all you do is preach religion,, which by the way is what Jesus hated! Instead of googling for your info go and speak to the Holy SPirit. He has more info than google!

  • Amanda

    Theresa

    I thank God almighty that He is who He is, my judge and that you are not God because then everyone will be condemend to eternal hell!

    You are correct for that is what you deserve.

    as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” “Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive.” “The venom of asps is under their lips.” “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.” “Their feet are swift to shed blood; in their paths are ruin and misery, and the way of peace they have not known.”, “There is no fear of God before their eyes.” Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God. (Rom 3:10-19)

    You say

    all you do is preach religion,, which by the way is what Jesus hated!

    That is simply not true. We preach faith in Jesus Christ who lived a perfect life for us, who kept the Law perfectly for us and who died on the cross, bearing our sins for us so that we might be saved from the wrath of God.

    For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it– the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. (Rom 3:20-28)

    You say

    WE ARE TO BE JESUS IN THE FLESH TO A DYING WORLD!!

    No, Theresa.

    Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. (Luk 24:45-47)

    Theresa, you contradict yourself

    that when the pastors are saying we are the word, they mean that we are to open our mouths and declare the word of God to the world…

    and

    WE ARE TO BE JESUS IN THE FLESH TO A DYING WORLD!!

  • Elmarie A

    Theresa

    If you had bothered to watch the actual LIVE sermon of Cindy Jacobs and her husband re the golden calf, and not the edited you tube version, you would actually have been able to correctly establish that the truth was that they were not praying to it but praying against it and binding the spiritual forces of mammon that it respresents..

    Theresa I suggest you start your own blog/site and stop misleading people by your non Biblical believes here.

    Request the Harvest people in Umhlanga that you work for to help u start your own blog/site. Then you can use all your catch phrases there like: BINDING, NEW WINE, MANIFESTATIONS, MANIFESTING, PROPHECYING AND TONGUE SPEAKING AND GIBERISH AND LAYING ON OF HANDS, SLAYING IN THE SPIRIT, HARVESTING etc etc Oh don’t forget the TRANCES, MEDITATION, CENTERING PRAYER and you can furthermore promote and discuss and worship all the false New Age preachers and teachers on your own site. NOT HERE !!!

  • Leon

    Burning Lamp said: “Then I noticed that they link to Sid Roth and I knew it was a hopeless”
    This is a bit off-topic but still about false teachers. I was wondering about this Sid Roth as some websites reveals Mary K Baxter with whom Sid had an interview as being false. and http://so4j.com/false-visits-to-heaven-and-hell-bob-dewaay.php

  • Burning Lamp

    Just a cursory look at Roth’s website and viewing his program reveals his fascination with signs and wonders. His interview with Patricia King and his session with other false teachers claiming to open a portal to heaven right in the studio. His sincerity is not in question and he seems like a nice gentleman. He seems to truly believe this stuff. May the Lord open his eyes.

  • Elmarie A

    Burning Lamp

    Yip I share the same views here as you stated BL. :-)

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Theresa

    you said: “WE ARE TO BE JESUS IN THE FLESH TO A DYING WORLD!!”

    Good grief, you just trashed the scripture of

    1 John 4.

    1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
    4 You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. 5 They are of the world. Therefore they speak as of the world, and the world hears them. 6 We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.

    7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. 8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love. 9 In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him. 10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.

  • louise

    Theresa, Yes you are so right about judging which I fail with and each day and I have to go before GOD and ask for forgiveness for ALL my sins. My SALVATION is an on going walk with GOD. Now I must tell you from the bible that we are to contend for the faith. How can you test Ray without ever meeting or getting to know him. He does not take calls if you are a none entity in life. In addition he does not just meet anyone. Trust me I tried. Just because he said GOD called him do you believe him. have you tested him Theresa. If not you are not reading your bible.
    I was simply pointing out that I know both Parties Norman and Ray so I was and am able to talk from first hand information. The truth is harder to accept and its thru the truth that we are able to climb out of the meassage of the Prosperity teachings. In Revealtion it mentions the luke warm church.lets quote Revealtion 14 verse 17. Because you say I am rich, have become wealthy and have need of nothing – and you not know that you are wretched, miserable,poor,blind and naked.
    God in fact vomits them out of his mouth. When you have the worlds riches why do you need GOD?
    Oh yessss GOD blesses pleople for I am but a witnesses to his blessings, but better I am blessed with is truth than drive a BMW.
    There is a need for sites like this though this site is for those people who are seeking HIS truth.You are not here by accident and if you feel that this site is harsh and judging why may i ask do you come back.
    Please read Titus 1 verse 13 where he says we are to rebuke them sharply so they may sound in the faith. Norman had a filty habit of Blaspheming and yet you find him to be a great man. He could not string one sentence without blaspheming. And yet he and Ray were buddies. GOD says come out of her my people. If you are an enemy of GODS then you are an enemy of mine.
    I am sure you are a well meaning lovely lady, but this much I shall tell you, time is short. We should not be messing with our lives like getting divorced or entertaining Political Heads at our church as Ray did way back when Mandela was released. It achieved nothing. We still are under the control of a Pagan goverment. Your biggest enemy Theresa is Satan and he will trick you into believeing that the faith movement is of GOD. Its not I am telling you. It began out with good intensions then the rot set in. Do you know how it set in? By not turning to the truth on a daily basis so GOD seared their conscience. Stop putting man/men on a pedestal and read your bible and cry out to GOD to show you how mis-lead you have become.
    The most important thing that I can convey to you is this. There is strong evidence from the striptures that the rapture will take place soon. ARE YOU READY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I am and i am so excited to meet my LORD JESUS soon.
    May your walk with JESUS be a close one.

  • Elmarie A

    louise

    Yes we hope and pray Theressa takes heed. We can only watch and pray that she finds the truth soon.

    As you say:
    ARE YOU READY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I am and i am so excited to meet my LORD JESUS soon.

    We should not fall asleep and be caught of guard. We should keep oil in our lamps and keep the burning all the time 24/7.

    Luke 12:34-36 (Amplified Bible)

    34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
    35 Keep your loins girded and your lamps burning,
    36 And be like men who are waiting for their master to return home from the marriage feast, so that when he returns from the wedding and comes and knocks, they may open to him immediately.

  • louise

    Sighs, Elmarie its so lovely to see that we are like minded people. It brings me joy when i see people expecting and getting excited for his return opposed to how much wealth he gives us in material profit.

  • Elmarie A

    louise

    The only reason God created man was to glorify Him. We cannot even comprehend what it will be like in Heaven one day it is just simply too much for our mere tiny minds.

    Romans 11:36
    For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. [For all things originate with Him and come from Him; all things live through Him, and all things center in and tend to consummate and to end in Him.] To Him be glory forever! Amen (so be it).

    1 Peter 5:10
    And after you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace [Who imparts all blessing and favor], Who has called you to His [own] eternal glory in Christ Jesus, will Himself complete and make you what you ought to be, establish and ground you securely, and strengthen, and settle you.

    The verses also often comes to mind nowadays :-)

    Luke 18:7-9 (Amplified Bible)

    7 And will not [our just] God defend and protect and avenge His elect (His chosen ones), who cry to Him day and night? Will He [a]defer them and [b]delay help on their behalf?

    8 I tell you, He will defend and protect and avenge them speedily. However, when the Son of Man comes, will He find [[c]persistence in] faith on the earth?

    9 He also told this parable to some people who trusted in themselves and were confident that they were righteous [that they were upright and in right standing with God] and scorned and made nothing of all the rest of men:

    We must stand strong and fight the good fight and finish the race as Paul says and pray for this all the time because it will not get easier for those who stand for the truth.

    1. Acts 20:24
    However, I consider my life worth nothing to me, if only I may finish the race and complete the task the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the gospel of God’s grace.

    2 Timothy 4:7
    I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.

    Peace be with you :-)

  • louise

    Thank you for that Almarie if I dont get to meet you here lets meet in heaven. Smiles.

  • Elmarie A

    louise

    Me smiles tooo :-)

  • Dion

    My dear friend in Jesus. Not only Ray should we pray for but also one of his possible, ambitious “successors” At Boshoff who is about to move from Bloemfontein to establish another Rema-type satan’s nest in Pretoria. At is well known for his trying so hard to sound American, and for “building churches “debt-free”” just as he is known for his tantrums when things don’t go his way, and for threatening former church members with either physical harm or crimen injuria because they no longer believe his dribble and they talk about their sad and ungodly experiences while mebers of his church. At attends a gym somewhere in Bloemfontein and to this day “works on his appearance” for some unknown reason.., what has happened to being humble before the Lord? He surrounds himself with bodyguards! Why? He loves flying to Pretoria every week in a private jet? Why? Surely his followers cannot be that blind that they cannot see.., surely they must know that he cannot be “God’s annointed” as he claims to be? Surely they must see that their money is not used for anything else but to build the “empire” At Boshoff wants so that he could be “numbered among the believers” just as was the case with Simon Magus who wanted the true Apostles to sell him the “formula for success”” that even At Boshoff so very often preaches.., and what happened to Simon Magus? I would love to be taken to court by anyone who claims to be “God’s annointed” so that I could then use the platform to show the world the true colors of some of their “God’s annointed” preachers. Can we who know the real truth not somehow form some open, public forum, some public platform from where we could in full view of the world, warn fellow South Africans of their spiritual demise if they continue to follow Satan’s prophets and his den of thieves and his preachers of lies and deceit? I am willing to stand in the gap and be sacrificed for this cause, not because I am chasing the lime-light, but because I will do anything that could result in a lost sinner completely and absolutely submitting to Christ in humbleness and willingly taking up his/her cross in a daily walk with Jesus, even if it means laying down their lives, as opposed to following some “God’s annointed” preacher (and there are so may who claim this title), who does not preach the Word of God as it should be preached. God bless you and may He also bless your work.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Dion

    Oh my.. yes, I know about this man. I want to do an article soon. Because I am getting tons of email from different people about this man. We have to remain scriptural and expose his false teaching. If you want to help me, by all means, please. You can email all information to my email address located under Contact details.

    We gotta pray for all of them, maybe just maybe there is a glimmer of hope somewhere and the Holy Spirit is still speaking to them.

    Thank you for your comment.

  • Chris

    I have often had to speak to people who were abused by the money preaching pastors. Not only have I encountered believers who were rejected by the money preachers when facing demise but I have personally met people who were hurt by these pastors.
    In my possession I have e-mails from people who had gotten hurt and even some who had been very closely associated with At Boshoff calling CRC in Bloemfontein, the synagogue of Satan.

    In recent years there have been people who had left CRC in Bloemfontein and their testimonies were very positive towards the doctrine the Bible teaches, while extremely opposite to what doctrine was taught in CRC.

    Just after I was saved I also attended CRC in Bloemfontein. In my ignorance, just the same as when I had been a Roman Catholic, I never thought that a person of the cloth would not know enough, alternatively specifically teach another doctrine regarding the Gospel of our Lord Jesus. The doctrine preached here is absolutely foreign to what the Bible teaches.

    I mean, we trusted our priests and pastors. It is only when you go to the church for help when in need, that you find out the fruits of love and charity that they preach on daily and over and over does not exist. The Bible calls leaders like these Pharisees and hypocrites. They say but they themselves do not that which they preach.
    According to one of the e-mails received this person’s office at the synagogue of Satan was known as the cry room where staff would come for support after being mishandled by leaders of this atrocity – and I call it an atrocity because this same e-mail states that on many occasions violence was threatened in his presence. (What love is this!)

    How often have I heard from saved people after having gone to especially the “church” CRC for help only to be told that they do not have enough faith, hence them not receiving from God.
    This type of doctrine is absolutely unbiblical. The book of James teaches: Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
    Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

    Notice verse 17- these people who send the needy away from their own congregation – by the way say, – that those in need have need because of a lack of faith – this is Devil’s doctrine!

    James says if you send someone away not looking after their needs it is YOU that do not have faith.

    This is why so many of these wonderful pastors preach a gospel free from works while the Bible says your works without faith is dead!
    Jesus said if you are not for me you are against me – now teaching opposite to what the Scriptures teaches is obviously against the Lord Jesus – and we know that by a better name – the voice of the anti-Christ!!
    Scriptures teaches us that if the body (The Church – consisting of living believers) hurts, then the whole body should suffer with the specific aching part of the body.
    When the truth is told about these pastors, they are quick to threaten with believers with crimen injuria, and frighten them into submission – I thought only the Popes did that??!! Most of these believers do not resist these type of actions.

    Yet James also writes: Jas 5:5 Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.
    Jas 5:6 Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.

    In fact pastors and leaders who threaten and scares weaker brethren into submission do not even say “go in peace” and give them nothing. They threaten and scare peace away from the flock making them worse that what James is warning about.
    Unfortunately most Christians in these temples of doom have not discerned all the truth in the Council of God and do not know how to react when mutilated by these so called men of God. Once they discover the truth they do not depart slowly and fortunately the Lord has so much grace and patience that He does lead them, as He did me – out of that heretical life of abundance or known as “prosperity” taught by Rhema etc.

    As with Dion, I am absolutely willing to take part in an open and public debate with the “main pastors” of CRC or Rhema regarding doctrinal issues, but they will never participate.

    I will not be interested to conduct debates with just any of the “pastors” in CRC or Rhema , but the main pastors like At Boshoff etc.
    I have had a senior pastor of CRC’s visit me, to persuade me to return to CRC and I promised to return if he would answer some questions I had concerning the doctrines they teach.

    Well, as no surprise to me, he could not answer any of the only and limited three very basic doctrinal questions I posed to him and said that he would return with the “TOP BRASS” as he could not answer. It has now been 7 years and I am still waiting!!!!!!!!

    Mmmmmmmm…………the Bible teaches that one should be ready in season and out of season to answer questions???????

    The Bible also teaches: 2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    A note to those who are still caught up in these “churches” I know that these pastors teach that doctrine is rubbish, but the Scriptures are very clear: 1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

  • Dion

    Hi there Deborah. Thanks for the invitation. I shall gladly take part in your article by letting you have what I’ve received from the many ex CRC members in Bloemfontein. I am very happy to note that brother Chris will also participate with us. I pray that many of God’s children will heed this call and make contact with Chris and I and you in order to plan our concerted effort by God’s grace to help thousands who are truly struggling to get out of the traps set by Satan’s den of thieves.., but sadly thus far they’re still stuck there because they do not know the real way out of the place! Chris my brother, make contact with those in your town and tell them all about Deborah’s upcoming article and that she needs honest material for it. God bless you too my brother!

  • Michael

    Theresa…you have a very serious problem. No man who claims to be a man of God and tells blatant lies is a representative of God. You insult the integrity of God. Ray should publically repent and tell the truth and the truth will set him free.
    Angus Buchan should do the same also as he wrote blatant lies in his book.
    Sorry Christians telling lies all totally unacceptable and their utterances are flawed as God will never use liars. Satan is the liar and any spirit that lies is that of the anti christ. It is as simple as that.People who swallow proven lies have a serious problem and misunderstand integrity.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Dion

    Great stuff. It’s about time something is said. I’ve read so many emails, the last being from a woman who has been there for many many years and finally her eyes have opened to what is really going on around her. She was a ‘new Christian’ and was taught everything she knows by CRC – not by the Bible. Now the Holy Spirit has lifted this evil veil from her because of her true love for Jesus Christ and she is horrified at what she has been taught, how she was treated and how much money she has given to CRC.

  • Chris

    Hi Deborah you may contact Jo in Pretoria he has my contact details please get hold of me so I may fax you some documents.

    God keep you safe

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Chris

    Ahh ok. Cool. I will do that. Just gimme a bit of time I got a new laptop (my other one died) and I am desperately trying to get things organised again.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Rudi

    You don’t think this is not nasty? “It’s just HOW you reply to some comments that you feel are not in line with what you believe that makes me pick up a bit of self righteousness and arrogance. These are sins of self elevation, the opposite of humility.”

  • Dion

    Hi there Deborah. I sent an invitation e-mail to At Boshoff to appear as guest to discuss doctrine (any part of the doctrine he stands for). Do you have an e-mail address I can forward this to? Perhaps you can tell Jo – I could forward to him?
    regards
    Dion

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Dion

    Mine is discerningtheworld@gmail.com Is that what you wanted? Has he accepted?

  • Dion

    Hi Deborah,
    Have not heard a word from him as yet, but I wanted you to have record of my invitation. I’m not sure if he will ever accept such an invitation but I remain hopeful that if he is not up to the task, perhaps he would send some of his fellow pastors to attend.I have numerous e-mails from ex members of his congregation all wishing to attend the discussions when it takes place. In fact I’m already thinking along the lines of arranging an international conference hosted here in SA on the subject of Biblical doctrine and hopefully I’ll be able to convince some of the so-called international/TV preachers to attend and participate by providing attendees with Biblical foundations of their prosperity doctrine, their Kingdom-now doctrine, their Transformation doctrine, their denial of the deity of Christ, their doctrine suggesting that the church is the new Israel, their ideas for making the preaching of God’s word more “friendly and acceptable” to the masses as opposed to getting people into church so that they could hear of the consequences of remaining in a sinful state, and all such issues

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Dion

    Eish…. good luck! Keep me posted.

  • mamasue

    hi i have been following DTW for some time -the Holy Spirit has always guided me when a new preacher/pastor/book comes to town. i am interested to see if at botha does respond to you. my child went to their crc in london but after much prayer left. i went on their web and could not actually find any bible verse or reference about what they stand for. They have a large following of young south africans there. look forward to seeing a response from him.

  • Jane

    I just stumbled across your site today. It is almost five years since the last comments were made here. Thank you for being bold enough to expose the scams of the latter day ‘profits’ (pun intended.) I am curious to know if things have changed in the ‘prosperity cults’ and those who lead their followers by the nose in this manner. I bit of feedback on the At Bothas of this world – would be highly appreciated. Thank you very much.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Hi Jane

    >> I bit of feedback on the At Bothas of this world

    Do you mean At Boshoff? If it is At Boshoff then check this out At Boshoff from CRC Church shows us how Pharisees went about “Honoring” God

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