Angus Buchan – A ‘False Bible’ in 366 Days for Men

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Deborah Ellish is the author of the above article. Discerning the World is an internet Christian Ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa. Tom Lessing and Deborah Ellish both own Discerning the World. For more information see the About this Website page below the comments section.

96 Responses

  1. charles allan says:

    I see peter 1 .20 often misused on catholic websites. It means exactly the opposite of what they say. It means that the bible did not come from man’s own thinking but through the Holy Spirit. It does not mean that we cannot interpret what we read – which would be absurd by itself anyway. Since the Holy Spirit has given us the words they can be relied upon – but you will see on many websites anti bible believers using this scripture incorrectly.

  2. Julian says:

    The scriptures speaks for itself I wil never buy that book

  3. Martin Horan says:

    It is absolutely astounding that anyone who has read the Bible, as Angus Buchan obviously has, would dare to alter it particularly when they claim to be speaking for God. From the first few seconds I looked at the above article the first thing that jumped to my mind was 2 Timothy 3:16.
    The Scriptures given in the article ought to be well-known to any mature Christian. I just don’t get it when those who call themselves Christians think they can ignore these Scriptures. Well, the answer’s there in the last Scripture quoted.
    It’s sad when people are so lacking in discernment. I had a friend who gave me Buchan’s “Faith Like Potatoes.” It made me wonder how a Christian could believe the tosh in it.
    There again, there are those who claim to be Christians who get furious when the are told of the unscriptural beliefs and practices of Benny Hinn, Creflo Dollar, Keneth Copeland, Billy Graham, Nicky Gumbel and the like. So I shoudn’t be surprised when a professing Christian praises Angus Buchan’s writings [2 Tim 4:3]. Nevertheless it is still depressing.
    Thanks for another insightful article, Debs.

  4. The Soldier with a Message says:

    What the hell is this I am reading now??? …

    The same applies for the KJV … It is NOT ‘King James”s Bible, now is it??????? so, please post another post to discuss the King James who named the Bible after himself, … duh!!!!! …

    What about all the new translations????? Who are you going to point fingers to with those ‘full versions’????
    What about all the other ‘Bibles’ thats around? …
    What about The MAXWELL Leadership Bible??? …
    What about Stephan Jouberts Bible? …
    Come on, you cant just mention one example, …

    Can I continue??? …

    Come on, why dont you take me on??? …

    I have the Bible send to me in 4min 12sec, … FROM THE ALMIGHTY LORD GOD HIMSELF, … it’s a digital electronic Signal-Message sent to me on 17 June 2007, … you think this is a joke??? … come on, be brave enough, take me on, … (JSJGSB)!!!!!!!!

    Your very own words, … “IT NEVER CEASES TO AMAZE ME, …” … well, I can say that too, … that people say they believe, but not to believe my testimony, … they say and argue that God is a God of signs and miracles and wonders, but gets a frown on their foreheads when I say and share with them that I got a litteral message from God on my laptop, sent to me in a very unique and supernatural way, … now put that in your pipe and smoke it!!!!! …

    If you dont believe me, then stop immediately to quote the Word from this point onwards!!!! Because it is not even worth the PC you’ve typed it on!!!! should you continue, then your religion means just ZIPP/NADA/NIKS/NOTHING in the eys of God!!!! …

    DISCERNING THE WORLD/DISCERNMENT FOR AFRICA??? … your eye is false, you will be a deceiver for Africa should you continue with this kind of postings on your website, … so be aware, … others are discerning YOU, you are NOT the only one with a spirit of discernment, …

    You you think that it was the intent of Angus Buchan to have made the Bible His own within this published book? … but instead of approaching him in this regard in person yourself, you publish this ugly post about him??? … Not so good from your side, i must say, … can I then quote the relevant scripture to you where you went wrong in all of this???? …

    You know whats funny? … you said that Angus pulled out Scripture verses for the reader to gain a better under standing of God’s Word, …
    LISTEN BOET, … ARENT YOU NOW DOING THE VERY SAME THING?????? …
    YOUR OWN WORDS: … “how is this possible when every verse in the Bible needs to be read in CONTEXT within the Bible itself in order for the Bible to be understood correctly. Did YOU quote all the above mentioned verses in context, or did you select a few verses to support YOUR message to me as the reader wrt this ‘bible’ thats now ‘false’ in your eyes??? …

    See this as a warning, … STOP!!!! …

    Come on, take me on, … please, I ask you very nicely, … and please, don’t remove this post, … keep it here (I will save it as well, just in case, … nutch nutch, wink wink, you know what I mean?), … so that others can measure you with the very same measure that you have measured Angus Buchan, …

    This is pathetic man, … just like the athiest, Michael Sherman, we debated last night, …

    Instead of supporting each other within the Body of Christ, some think they are greater than others and if I am not mistaken, I hear a few words of ‘jealousness’ in your voice, …

    Repent brother, … the day of judgment is closer than you think, …

    From:
    Angus Buchan’s friend in arms, …

  5. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    The Soldier with a Message

    >> The same applies for the KJV … It is NOT ‘King James”s Bible, now is it??????? so, please post another post to discuss the King James who named the Bible after himself, … duh!!!!! …

    Is the King James Bible inspired or preserved?

    ANSWER: The original autographs were inspired. The King James Bible is those same autographs preserved up to today.

    EXPLANATION: The best way to simply describe inspiration and preservation of the Bible is as follows:
    Inspiration is when God takes a blank piece of paper (papyrus, vellum, etc.) and uses men to write His words.
    Preservation is when God takes those words already written and uses men to preserve them to today.
    Both of these actions are DIVINE and are assured by God as recorded in
    Psalm 12:6-7.
    6 “The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
    7 Thou shalt keep them, 0 LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.”

    In Psalm 12:6 God assures us that His originals are perfect. Even though penned by fallible men with the heinous sins of; murder (Moses and David), adultery (David), idolatry (Solomon), and denial of the lord (Peter), God’s words are untainted by the sins of the penmen. —http://www.biblebelievers.com/Gipp/answer/gipp_answer_28.html

    So just as the KJV was named after a homosexual King. It’s does not matter. The translators worked under God’s guidance and wrote the KJV; the words of the Bible are PRESERVED.

    >> What about all the new translations????? Who are you going to point fingers to with those ‘full versions’????
    >>What about all the other ‘Bibles’ thats around? …
    >>What about The MAXWELL Leadership Bible??? …
    >>What about Stephan Jouberts Bible? …
    >>Come on, you cant just mention one example, …

    Well the NKJV is ok, the Amplified is ok for studying, but the rest are NOT OK they are bad translations.
    Like The Message for instance, that is the host horrendous bible ever, it is not God’s word, that is Satan’s word.
    “What about The MAXWELL Leadership Bible??? …” I don’t know of this bible.
    “What about Stephan Jouberts Bible? …” Stephan Joubert is an Emergent Cosmic Christ follower, I didn’t know he has his own bible out. I would not read his bible either.
    “Come on, you cant just mention one example, …” I just did mention a few.

    >> I have the Bible send to me in 4min 12sec, … FROM THE ALMIGHTY LORD GOD HIMSELF, … it’s a digital electronic Signal-Message sent to me on 17 June 2007, … you think this is a joke??? … come on, be brave enough, take me on, … (JSJGSB)!!!!!!!!

    I don’t want to take you on, you seem a bit unstable. You had the Bible sent to you by God himself in 4 minutes and 12 seconds? Now look if you are saying you downloaded the Bible off the internet then so what? But if not, then okayyyy then.

    >> You you think that it was the intent of Angus Buchan to have made the Bible His own within this published book? … but instead of approaching him in this regard in person yourself, you publish this ugly post about him??? … Not so good from your side, i must say, … can I then quote the relevant scripture to you where you went wrong in all of this???? …

    I don’t want to speak to him, what for, I’ve emailed him all my articles since 2008, he has not replied. He is an EVANGELIST that is supposed to know the gospel! Why should I be informing him of his grave errors? I am sure he has hundreds of well-to-do pastors that he knows that should have told him it was wrong. But I will inform the flock out there!

    >> can I then quote the relevant scripture to you where you went wrong in all of this???

    please, why don’t you, if you have ever read the BIBLE, in fact see if you can find the relevant scripture from Angus’s bible :) Go on, I dare you, find the scripture you want from Angus’s bible.

    >> You know whats funny? … you said that Angus pulled out Scripture verses for the reader to gain a better under standing of God’s Word, …
    LISTEN BOET, … ARENT YOU NOW DOING THE VERY SAME THING?????? …
    YOUR OWN WORDS: … “how is this possible when every verse in the Bible needs to be read in CONTEXT within the Bible itself in order for the Bible to be understood correctly. Did YOU quote all the above mentioned verses in context, or did you select a few verses to support YOUR message to me as the reader wrt this ‘bible’ thats now ‘false’ in your eyes??? …

    “you said that Angus pulled out Scripture verses for the reader to gain a better under standing of God’s Word,” I said, “Angus has pulled out key Scriptures for the reader to gain a better under standing of God’s Word? and you will see that this is what CUM books stores says, “Key Scripture passages, from Genesis to Revelation, will enable readers to gain a better understanding of God’s Word.” I am just repeating what they say.
    What I am doing here is NOT writing a Bible, Boet! and I do not state that I am writing a BIBLE. I am allowed to use the Word of God (if you read your Bible, you would know this) to:

    2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

    2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

    >> you said that Angus pulled out Scripture verses for the reader to gain a better under standing of God’s Word, …
    LISTEN BOET, … ARENT YOU NOW DOING THE VERY SAME THING?????? …
    YOUR OWN WORDS: … “how is this possible when every verse in the Bible needs to be read in CONTEXT within the Bible itself in order for the Bible to be understood correctly. Did YOU quote all the above mentioned verses in context, or did you select a few verses to support YOUR message to me as the reader wrt this ‘bible’ thats now ‘false’ in your eyes??? …

    Oh boy, let me explain, when you are ‘explaining’ something to someone you use verses out of the bible to reprove, rebuke, exhort and correct etc. Pastors when they write sermons don’t call their sermons ‘little bibles’, no. They are called sermons, and this is called an article. And this blog is called a blog or website containing many articles. As a born again Christian the Holy Spirit would chastise me left right and center if I were to even think of taking the name Bible and using it for my own writing. But thankfully I would NEVER even think of such a thing!

    >> See this as a warning, … STOP!!!! …

    A WARNING? Why what are you going to do to me?

    >> Come on, take me on, … please, I ask you very nicely, … and please, don’t remove this post, … keep it here (I will save it as well, just in case, … nutch nutch, wink wink, you know what I mean?), … so that others can measure you with the very same measure that you have measured Angus Buchan, …

    Why would I want to delete this post, it shows the rest of the world what TYPE of followers ANGUS produces. Ones do not follow Jesus Christ and His Bible, but follow Angus Buchan and his bible instead.

    >> Instead of supporting each other within the Body of Christ, some think they are greater than others and if I am not mistaken, I hear a few words of ‘jealousness’ in your voice, …

    >>Repent brother, … the day of judgment is closer than you think, …

    I do not suppport FALSE TEACHERS who preach a false doctrine. See all articles on Angus Buchan here: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/category/pastors-teachers-speakers/a/angus-buchan-shalom-ministries/

    I am a born again Christian sealed by the Holy Spirit. Your threats that ‘the day of judgment is closer than you think’ are shocking. What do you mean by this?
    The FRUIT you produce as a supposed Christian is nothing but that of wanting to do me harm…

    Matthew 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

    Now the difference between the KJV is that is was a divine translation to be preserved! Angus Buchan takes the Word of God and goes against God’s commandments to take away from it and create his own bible and even calls it a bible.

  6. MJ Oosthuysen says:

    why do you still use jesus in the place of Yeshua?jesus is a pagan word.

  7. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    MJ

    >> why do you still use jesus in the place of Yeshua?jesus is a pagan word.

    Jesus is a pagan word? LOL NO, it’s not. It is not a derivative of Zeus. Millions of people have been saved using the name of Jesus Christ!

  8. Smuggler says:

    @ Soldier with a Message . . .

    Private… I think you are a little confused . . . You are supposed to be a Friend of Jesus and in His army…unless Angus has now turned into “jesus” thus commanding God’as army.

    My Neighbor is also a “friend in arms” for Angus after he attended an Angus meeting where he “followed” Angus in a sinners prayer and he “proclaims” this to every one that he comes across, yet he verbally abuses/beats his wife and teenage-daughter because ANGUS said he must be the MAN in their house…

    a Tree will be know by it’s fruit…

    MJ Oosthuysen wrote:

    why do you still use jesus in the place of Yeshua?jesus is a pagan word.

    MJ
    You must stop practicing “religion” and get into a relationship with God. You will then discover how we have been “set free” from the law. Read again Gal 2: 3-4 & Gal 5:1 and understand that Paul is warning the Galatians against “perfection in religion” and encouraging them into a relationship with God. Gal 4:1-11 & Chapter 5.
    You cannot add to the perfect and finished work that Jesus did on the cross by trying to pretend to be a Hebrew speaking Jew.
    If you are truly “born-again” then you will be lead by The Spirit of God and thus you will become a law abiding follower of Jesus because you want to honor your Father in Heaven.

    Don’t be caught by people that twists Hos 2:15-16; Exo_23:13; Jos_23:7; Psa_16:4; Zec_13:2 and Prov 30:4. In CONTEXT these scriptures points to a change in relationship. It’s NOT about “name calling”.

  9. Smuggler says:

    @ Soldier with a Message…

    Stop defending/fight for people or Preachers… rather defend and fight for the TRUTH !

    AMEN !

  10. Ashley says:

    I find ANY bible with an author’s name on it to be disturbing. However, those are ALL, in fact, the ones by false teachers. (John Hagee Prophecy bible, The Everyday Life bible by Joyce Meyer). No one is the author of God’s word but God.

  11. Truthful Conversation says:

    The Soldier with a Message sounds like someone from Joels Army! He also sounds like someone with angry pride in his heart, and he seems delusional in his thinking too. The ‘language’ he is using is typical of a macho (egotistical) Afrikaaner, I have come across many of them. I mean no offence to Afrikaaners by the way, there are many good South African men.

    What is with the aggressive ‘speak’?? …and if you are going to write in English, please use it correctly! I think the word you were looking for in your one sentence, is NUDGE, NOT NUTCH! And what you said is totally inappropriate.

    I do not see any ‘discerning’ in what you are saying.. there is no Christlike spirit in anything you said. You are an Angus Buchan follower, NOT a follower of Jesus Christ.

    Please do not come to DTW with your nasty threats and your arrogant attitude. You are the one who needs to be on your knees repenting! We are not ‘jealous’ of false teachers and their lies, we warn people to keep well away from people like you.

    ALL you have managed to do is show what type of person follows after wolves like Angus Buchan. Not nice people, that is for sure.

  12. Robbie says:

    MJ,

    Slaan bietjie self na.

    “Deception of the sacred name movement/cult”

  13. Robbie says:

    Soldier, you are one of the main reasons false teachers thrive.
    You say Angus will now interpret the scripture for a better understanding?… we don’t have to rely on the Holy Spirit for inspiration anymore?

    It is laziness!!! that causes us to fall for these short cuts boet!!! Read your Bible and stay away from edited short versions and man’s opinions.

    Put away your AK and dress yourself with the real Armour. It is not the tongue that is the Sword… (talking about interpretation AND discernment)

  14. Michael says:

    Apt and good answers, Smuggler,Robbie and TC and Robbie’s humour “Put away your AK and dress yourself with the real Armour”.

    Some time ago I saw printed on a young man’s T-shirt…”Angus Buchan God’s De La Rey”.

    What made it strange was that young man was Indian…obviously quite unaware that De La Rey was a Boer General.

    Something bad and sinister here…worshippers and followers of men instead of worshippers and followers of the One that took our sins and iniquities upon HIMSELF on the cross at Golgotha (Calvary).

    If context is not important to those claim Christianity then it is horrendously flawed and untrue…there is no truth and integrity.

    “Nudge, nudge, say no more” comes from that perverse, obscene and foul-mouthed comedian…Monty Python.

    Shows what type of humour we have here? Hardly a quote on a Christian blog.

  15. Michael says:

    Having said this…I believe Angus must ask himself a lot of questions…like we all must.

    The sad thing is that Angus sounds authentic in his conversion and I believe that God does save you…even in flawed churches like the Methodist because none of them are perfect and He uses our imperfect environment but He gives us His Word in the bible to be read in context and in truth. We must stick to what’s written therein and not follow man’s tendancies to deviate.

    Angus spoke on Ezekiel…Watchman over Israel at a Mighty Man conference as if this applies to the world. It simply does not., it was a message to Israel in the right context,

    This is NOT the Gospel …the true and good news.
    Man has to be told that he is a sinner and that Christ died for his sins and that He paid the penalty for his sins. That Jesus’s sacrifice is the only way to eternal life. Man has fallen short and must accept the atonement. There is no other way…the message of the cross is simple, the question of sin can only be settled with the recognition of atonement and dying to the old man to the old life and this must come with the repentance and hating the past life.

    Otherwise he dies in his sins and goes into eternity without God…Hell.

  16. Irma van der Colff says:

    I do not agree with nor trust Angus’s ministry in general, though I do believe he is sincerely convinced of what he is doing. But in all fairness I think his intention could have been to present it more like a Bible study capturing the most important aspects rather than a complete Bible. I have not seen it, but it sounds to me the he did not translate nor rewrite, NOR CLAIMED TO HAVE REPLACED the Bible, but he merely took passages from a translation and commented on them? Perhaps we should be careful not to ascribe certain attitudes or intentions to him, whithout knowing if we are indeed correct – lest we could stand guilty of false acceusations.

  17. Chris says:

    Discernment (what this site is apparently about) has nothing to do with demonizing people. Seems this site frequently steps over that line. If a man writes a book that is essentially a commentary on the Bible, how is he any worse than all the other people who have written similar things? Clearly, it is no replacement for the real thing, but it has its place just like any other Christian literature.

    None of your points have anything to do with anything in the book. They’re all reactions to the marketing. It could be a fantastic book with all sorts of wonderful insights, but you wouldn’t have the first clue, because all you’ve done here is lash out at a bit of marketing. I admit that I haven’t read it either, but I’m not writing a scathing review, am I? This article is truly embarrassing. It’s the opposite of discernment. It’s just plain inflammatory.

  18. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Irma

    >> though I do believe he is sincerely convinced of what he is doing

    many false teachers are sincere, it does not make them at all correct.

    >> I have not seen it, but it sounds to me the he did not translate nor rewrite, NOR CLAIMED TO HAVE REPLACED the Bible, but he merely took passages from a translation and commented on them?

    He took many passages from the Bible and created his own biblenotice that he called it The Bible ;)

  19. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Christ

    Demonizing? Lol, yeah right.

    The book is called THE BIBLE. Angus has the audacity to call it the Bible. There is ONLY ONE BIBLE and it is the FULL WORD OF GOD.

  20. Robbie says:

    Oh one one more thing Chris. You will not notice any difference if you don’t start with the real Bible.
    Here are the basics so long… From the real Bible. (once again… remember Angus calls his a bible too.

    “Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
    Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”

    Now Stick around, the comparisons will follow.

  21. Robbie says:

    Chris, and this is the NLT that Angus quotes from – altered scriptures from the New Living Translation

    Deuteronomy – “sodomite” changed to “temple prostitute”
    1 Kings 14:24 – “sodomites” replaced with “shrine prostitutes”
    1 Kings 15:12 – “sodomites” replaced with “shrine prostitutes”
    1 Kings 22:46 – “sodomites” replaced with “shrine prostitutes”
    2 Kings 23:7 – “sodomites” replaced with “shrine prostitutes”
    Matthew 17:21 – entire verse omitted
    Matthew 18:11 – entire verse omitted
    Matthew 19:9 – half of the verse is omitted
    Matthew 23:14 – entire verse omitted
    Mark 6:11 – half of the verse is omitted
    Mark 7:16 – entire verse omitted
    Mark 9:44, 46 – entire verses omitted
    Mark 11:26 – entire verse omitted
    Mark 15:28 – entire verse omitted
    Mark 16:9-20 – entire passage is questioned by a footnote that says, “The most reliable early manuscripts conclude the Gospel of Mark at verse 8”
    Luke 4:8 – “get thee behind me Satan” is omitted
    Luke 17:36 – entire verse omitted
    Luke 23:17 – entire verse omitted
    John 1:10 – says God created everything “through” Jesus instead of “by” Jesus as the KJB teaches
    John 1:41 – The NLT leaves out the phrase, “Which is by interpretation, a stone.” Hence, the critical distinction between Peter as “the stone” (Petros), and Jesus as “The Rock” (Petra) is obscured. This was no doubt deliberate to pleases Catholics who falsely teach that Peter is the rock upon which the church is built. The Bible states in no uncertain terms, “For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ” (1st Corinthians 3:11).
    John 3:16 – the all important word “begotten” is omitted, thus denying the deity of Christ
    John 3:13 – “which is in heaven” is omitted John 5:4 – entire verse omitted
    John 7:53 – 8:11 — entire passage is questioned in a note which says, “The most ancient Greek manuscripts do not include John 7:53 – 8:11”
    Acts 8:37 – entire verse omitted
    Acts 12:4 – changes “Easter” to the incorrect “Passover” (See Numbers 28:16,17 and Acts 12:2 in the KJB)
    Acts 17:29 – completely removes the “Godhead”
    Acts 28:29 – entire verse omitted
    Romans 1:20 – completely removes the “Godhead”
    Romans 16:24 – entire verse omitted
    Philippians 2:6 -removes the word “equal,” thus denying Christ’s deity
    Colossians 1:16 – says God created everything “through” Jesus instead of “by” Jesus as the KJB teaches
    Colossians 2:9 – completely removes the “Godhead”
    1 Timothy 3:16 – “God” is omitted, says “Christ appeared in the flesh, thus denying the deity of Christ
    1 Timothy 6:5 – “from such withdraw thyself” is omitted
    Hebrews 1:3 – the all-important words “by himself” are omitted
    1 Peter 4:1 – “for us” is omitted
    1 Peter 4:14 – half of the verse is omitted
    1 John 3:16 -completely removes “the love of God”
    1 John 4:3 – the all-important words “Christ is come in the flesh” are omitted 1 John 5:7-8 — Trinitarian clause omitted
    1 John 5:7 – half of the verse is omitted, thus denying the Godhead
    1 John 5:13 – half of the verse is omitted
    Revelation 1:11 – first half of the verse is omitted
    Revelation 5:14 – “him that liveth forever and ever” is omitted

    Get it Chris?

  22. Osito says:

    Soldier wuth a message….

    Take me on, take me on and now you gone.

    You see to sell a book it must differ with i think 10% to sell that same type of book. Now this people write the Bible over with this 10% diffrence to sell it and make money or maybe sent out false teachings.

    If this angus bible is so good, you would probebly surgest that we can throw away the Bible and just go on with the angus word.

    Angus would probebly be the happiest man alive!!

  23. Andes says:

    Incredible – there are two ways to go. One is to speak the truth and the other a lie. One is to be spiritually aware of deception and the other is to be fanatical and find deception in everything we hear, read or see. This is perhaps the best way to mislead people is t criticize everything about christianity. The Bible in 366 Days is a study guide or a reading guide in order to assist the reader. ” NB: IT IS NOT THE BIBLE OR ATTENDED TO REPLACE THE BIBLE.” Much like a Concordance, or a reading plan. Had interest in this site until I saw how fanatical they have become. They tend to criticize everything that is about Chrictianity out there leaving you with very little option but to follow satan. God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are our guides. I remeber one old wise man corrected me when I did much of what this site does. He said leave God to be the guide in each individuals life.

  24. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Andes

    >> The Bible in 366 Days is a study guide or a reading guide in order to assist the reader.

    Errrrr and what exactly is it supposed to help with when the REST of the Word of God is missing? You can’t used Angus’s Bible as a study Bible, LOLOL, I’ve taken a look at it, it’s joke. And you most definitely can’t use it as a reading guide to assist you, because the REAL BIBLE needs to be COMPLETE in order to understand it correctly.

    What Angus has offered men is a false gospel, and called it a Bible, and how many uninformed people will actually buy Angus’ Bible thinking it’s LIKE the real BIBLE. Well let me tell you something. I asked people at a bookstore if they thought it Angus’ book was THE Bible and 5 out of 5 MEN said YES.

    This ‘fanatic for the TRUTH’ rests her case.

  25. edddycs says:

    Hey have you all heard this week ends news TOD the Grandma kicking Heathen preaching Bentley is coming to town

  26. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    edddycs

    No ways… oh boy.

  27. Robbie says:

    Andes said :Incredible – there are two ways to go. One is to speak the truth and the other a lie.

    You missed the third one Andes… the truth mixed with lies and error. The one “way” (as you call it) that really deceives, like calling a bad copy of a good Book a “bible”

    You heard the story of rat poison that consists of 99% good food and 1% poison?… it still kills.

  28. Robbie says:

    … Tattoo Todd is planning a crusade With prophet Zion Matthew in KZN during April Debs.
    I also just sighed… First Lady Gaga – Now Todd Bentley

  29. Hendrik says:

    Hi Deborah,

    I would like to ask people here a question. I myself read the Old afrikaans translation of the Bible and the KJV translation.
    I’ve done a bit of “research” into the KJV and found that it uses the textus receptus as well as the Geneva Bible as seen on this table http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BIr7GBqdBpw/TMbY_1GN_1I/AAAAAAAAADA/nuEF-H8uxPE/s1600/bible_version_chart2.gif . However my question to people saying that the KJV is incorrect, what Bible translation do you guys read because I do agree we need to read the Word of God in truth and spirit?

  30. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Dear Hendrik

    Please read this article: What is KJV Only
    The KJV is not incorrect, neither is reading the NKJV if you want too, or the Amplified. The fact of the matter is this there are people who read the KJV who are not saved, the bible does not make a Christian, its the Holy Spirit who makes the Christian. Remember that.

  31. Hendrik says:

    Ok thanks because I read that the Alexander texts that they use for the new bible translations was modified by a guy called Origin that wasn’t a christian and then that modification was modified further by guys called Westcott and Hort that where occultists and where friends with Helena Bravatski. Also if you look at the NKJV its got a occult symbol on it which I found weird because the Word specifically says not to make any graven images of God. I thought that would be bad but anyway.

  32. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Hendrik

    >> NKJV its got a occult symbol

    Nope it does not. Mine does not have any symbols on it.

    The newer bible translations are very bad, it goes without saying that they must not be read. But honestly KJV, NKJV and AMP is fine. But like I also said, if one is missing the Holy Spirit you can read the KJV 1611 till the cows come home it wont make any difference.

  33. Sharon says:

    Hendrik…When the NKJ came out it had the occult symbol on it. Because they received so much negativity they took the symbol off and re-changed some of the wording in different places

    I am a KJV woman. BUT, I own other versions but when I study, teach, speak…etc. I use the KJV. It is what my grandfather preached from. It is the bible my brother still preaches from. I am going on 59 years old…the KJV is what is in my heart and it lights my path. I would never say that you can’t lead someone to Christ from different versions. I agree that the stuff that is coming out now is corrupt. The NIV for instance, leaves out the Deity of Christ 17 times among other errors.

    For me personally, it will always be the KJV.

  34. Sharon says:

    Deb-ster, I have never heard this before. No Jesus is NOT a pagan name. He is known to English speaking people as Jesus. This is just one of the dumbest, ill mannered thing I have ever heard about King JESUS!. If it were pagan then the pagans would stop cursing in His name.

    When people try to pretend to be Jewish I have to laugh. I know of a preacher in Florida that will only pray in the name of Yahweh which to a Jew is a God that is far off, not a God that indwells us. Yeshua/Jesus they are one in the same…our Savior.
    I don’t know how people come up with this stuff. Well yes, I do know…they do not read the Word.

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    MJ

    >> why do you still use jesus in the place of Yeshua?jesus is a pagan word.

    Jesus is a pagan word? LOL NO, it’s not. It is not a derivative of Zeus. Millions of people have been saved using the name of Jesus Christ!

  35. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Sharon

    I moved your comment to the What is ‘KJV Only’? – Please try keep comments under their relevant articles. Thanks :)

  36. caryn says:

    Angus Buchan and CUM Books…two peas in a pod. Is there a bigger fake, false prophet and false teacher than Buchan around in SA? I don’t think so. he should be avoided at all costs, as he is a wolf in sheep’s clothes. Beware of him.

  37. John Andrews UK/Ireland says:

    caryn wrote:

    Angus Buchan and CUM Books…two peas in a pod. Is there a bigger fake, false prophet and false teacher than Buchan around in SA? I don’t think so. he should be avoided at all costs, as he is a wolf in sheep’s clothes. Beware of him.

    You are right as both are in it for the money which is the wrong motive, a sure sign of a false teaching/teacher infiltrating wherever they can. Last time I checked his website he had 18 English books, 18 Afrikaans books and 4 DVD titles on sale. He has TV ministry and 2 films (stories written by him). He has numerous YouTube videos and a network of deceived churches supporting him. This shows how wide his impact is and dangerous for sure. CUM books sell all books that remotely resemble Christianity – they serve all spirits that have slipped in using the name of our Lord.

    People do not see the lies he preaches and the lies that his team spread (even when not asked). Why do I say this? A comment on several of his posts on the internet by Bruce Winship: About criticism: “Not one cent goes to Angus. He lives in the same wattle and daub house that he built on his farm. He drives the same old car. He doesn’t even have medical aid.” said Bruce Winship.

    He is not concerned about the “cent/s” as his eye is on multiple millions of Rands. Bruce Winship should be adding – “so figure out how he is able to travel all over SA and the world and be seen on the internet driving in newer vehicle/s on his farm” Probably just another of those miracles that he is so fond of inventing. Only people that have enough disposable income do not need medical insurance (if Bruce Winship is right about that part of the lie).

    Are the deceived accepting such nonsense – YES they must be.

    Matthew 6:24 (NIV)

    24 “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.

  38. Andiswa says:

    I fail to understand you guys….everyone of you. Too quick to cast stones. Why should we always fight amongst ourselves? And I am very certain that this being a spiritual issue it was never inspired by God to come out like this…no! Everyone just fall prey to these “judgement” orchestrAted by people who all they want to see is The Kingdom of God separated which is not going to happen. I believe that if God convicted whoever that is administering this page He surely convicted them to pray not exploit His children like this….nooo! And this is just a job to whoever is writing this….God did say that the enemy goes around like a lion lookin for whom to devour. It is saddening that instead of you guys covering your brothers and sisters’ nakedness yall are the ones exploiting. Forgetting one thing…..WE ARE IN THE SAME BODY…THE BODY OF CHRIST! OPEN YOUR EYES AND SEE……..

  39. Andiswa,

    Did you address your tirade to Jesus Christ who said: ” Take heed that no man deceive yo.” . . . “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.” (Mat 24:4; 24)?

    Indeed, the devil goes about like a roaring line. But guess what? His lair is smack bang in the middle of the church.

    Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. (1 Jn 2:18-19).

    It is the spirit of Antichrist who wants to set up the “kingdom of God” here and now on earth whilst it is not God’s time to do so yet. Don’t be fooled to think a great awakening is sweeping the earth right now, as Angus Buchan and the other dominionists want you to believe. It is a false awakening which is called “The Great Apostasy.”

    Do you really believe that false teachers are of the same body – the body of Christ? Read 1 John 2:18-19 again.

  40. Norman says:

    Hello Deborah,

    With reference to “The Bible in 366 Days for Men of Faith”.

    I understand your concern about “adding to” and “taking away from” the Word of God, but can you please provide me with statements that you believe Angus “has made” in his writings that is not the inerrant Word of God?

    (It would be appreciated if you could respond to my aforementioned question without referencing concerns pertaining to the Translation being NLT, and also without referencing your concerns about “adding to” and “taking away from” the Word of God).

    I agree that the relevant book is not to be seen as THE BIBLE, but rather as a journey through the bible with Angus Buchan. I do not understand why this article of yours, and various associated comments seek to paint Angus Buchan as a false preacher of some sort. What is false about the doctrine that he is preaching?

    I would be appreciative if you could share with me factually what you know about Angus that leads you to believe that he is not sincere in his walk with God, or the doctrine that he preaches.

    I look forward to your response.

    You are also welcome to respond via email.

    Kind Regards,
    Norman

  41. Norman wrote,

    I agree that the relevant book is not to be seen as THE BIBLE, but rather as a journey through the bible with Angus Buchan. I do not understand why this article of yours, and various associated comments seek to paint Angus Buchan as a false preacher of some sort. What is false about the doctrine that he is preaching?

    It is not what Angus preaches that indicts him with heresy. It is all the other things he strings along with him in his teaching – i.e. dominionism, ecumenism – that makes him so dangerous. God distinctly says that we should have no association or companionship with false teachers whatsoever. And yet, Angus, in disobedience to God, hails Rodney- Howard Brown a great teacher who fills people with fire and with faith. Tell me, how does one fill others with faith? Watch this video,

    http://www.revival.com/pastor-rodney-with-angus-buchan.2658.1.htm

    Do you approve of Angus’ association with false teachers, not to mention even his association with the RCC?

    What does the Bible say?

    To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. (Isa 8:20)

    Both the RCC and Rodney-Howard Brown teach another Gospel. So why is Angus Buchan pandering to them? Fame?

    Why would a preacher want to write a book called “The Bible in 366 Days for Men of Faith” when the men of faith already have the most wonderful book in the world to read?

  42. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Norman

    >>I understand your concern about “adding to” and “taking away from” the Word of God,

    Do you really understand?

    >> I agree that the relevant book is not to be seen as THE BIBLE, but rather as a journey through the bible with Angus Buchan.

    So what Angus has done is taken specific verses out of the bible and told an Angus Buchan story around it to explain it in his way. That’s just fantastic. Another opinionated version of the bible.

    Please read all articles on Angus Buchan on this website, thank you

  43. keith porritt says:

    Wow, What a bunch of Christian’s we have here. You are all mean to each other and very disrespectful to other Christians. While you are all nitpicking, the world is becoming more evil as we speak. We were commanded by Jesus That we Love one another as Christ has Loved you. Where is the compassion towards a brother who you believe is not doing something right. Approach him in Love and state your concern , don’t bring him down in public , and behind his back.I believe that this is why non Christians don’t wont to have anything to do with Christ. They see his follower’s fighting over things that should not be in public. If you have something against a brother talk to him in Love and humbly.
    Yes there are false prophets , and Christian’s who are controlled by evil. If you do not Like this man’s book then don’t read it.
    Jesus, Yeshua, Christ , who ever you address him by would I’M sure is very heart Broken by this division.
    I say all these things in Love and pray that all Christians will bond together for the sake of this lost and dying world.
    He that is without sin cast the first stone. A very near and dear friend once said this.

    All the scriptures that were in this post were in my own works as I don’t wont to upset anyone who reads a different version than I Do.

  44. keith porritt

    Indeed, we are commanded to love our brothers and sisters in Christ and even our worst enemies but never to love their heresies. If you love their heresies, you love the lies of Satan and when you love his lies you love him. Is that what you would like to do – love Satan and his lies? The fact that we are warning him and others to repent of their heresies – in public – is because we love them and do not want them to be led astray by Satan.

    Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. (Jas 5:20).

    So, Angus Buchan and all the other false teachers are free to herald their heresies in public but we are not allowed to refute and rebuke him in public? Or is your love also the wishy-washy kind of love?

  45. keith porritt

    Who are you referring to as ‘Christians’? Are you talking about us the authors of this blog or are you referring to the hundreds/thousands of people who have commented here who are against us? Basically your comment is telling us that we much keep quiet. What would you have said to the apostles when they exposed false teachers and wrote letters to churches warning them. or what about Peter who exposed Simon Magus? (Acts 8:9-25) Would you say; “Hey you Simon Peter disciple of Jesus Christ, you should be quite and love your enemy Simon the Sorcerer (who is St Peter of the Roman Catholic church), love the things he believes and is preaching and DO NOT warn others, ignore what Jesus said in the bible to content for the truth…” We love people hence we warn! You do not love people that is why you want us to be quiet.

    Jude 1:3
    Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

    You speak about love, you don’t know what real love is Keith. Try for once and stand up for the truth and see how much FALSE LOVE you get back, especially note what a wonderful feeling of warmth you get in side when you are told by others shut up.

    >> I say all these things in Love and pray that all Christians will bond together for the sake of this lost and dying world.

    Bond together, really? Unite whether you are Pentecostal or Roman Catholic? Do you think Pope Fransis is the Vicar of Christ and infallible?

    >> All the scriptures that were in this post were in my own works as I don’t wont to upset anyone who reads a different version than I Do.

    That is funny, why didn’t you quote from the bible or are you afraid of it? Why use your own words? And don’t bring translation into the question because that’s just ridiculous. Yes there are versions that are totally occult like THE MESSAGE for instance. The KJV, NKJV etc has been faithful to lead people to Jesus Christ for MANY MANY years now.

  46. keith porritt says:

    Judge not less ye be judged, let he that is without sin cast the first stone.

  47. keith porritt says:

    Was Jesus’ Love the wishy washy kind of love that you speak of Tom . No it was a commandment that we Love another Like he Loved us.

  48. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Dear Keith

    You don’t know what love is Keith. Love is warning your fellow brothers and sisters of false teachers and their teachings. That is love.

  49. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Keith

    Regarding judging, your argument is so weak and so overused by false teachers who don’t want to be questioned. The bible says differently. Please read: (if you care too)

    https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/09/11/as-christians-we-must-judge-righteously/

    Mark Them Which Cause Division

    Do Not Tolerate Wicked People

  50. Robbie says:

    Keith… twice in a row (your last two comments) you exposed yourself in that you obviously pay someone like Angus to READ scripture to you instead of getting stuck in the Word yourself…

    Deborah is right. Please read.
    Oh and one more thing. do not be like the 100’s of “hit and runners” on this blog. Give some feedback when the light comes on please.

  51. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Hi Robbie

    Yes these 1 hit wonders drive me nuts lol.

  52. keith porritt says:

    It’s shows here that you are very critical ,of others and their views. Very out spoken towards me and my spirituality. You dont know how much time I spend in the bible and prayer. You assume that I am a one hit wonder here . Have you people ever thought that people come here say their piece and never come back because you guys ripe apart their views. What gives you the right to be holier that thou. You are judging people you dont even know. you dont have the right to judge me .Only God can do that. How many people have come to Christ though this site . I bet none. How many people have come to Christ though Angus Buchan’s ministery. Ye shall know them by their fruits.I think this site is doing more harm than good. Maybe you hypocrites should take a look at the beam in your eyes and not the speck in others. My Savior and friend stated this ,My Lord and my God . Thats the opinion I listen to my father in heaven .All people have faults and make mistakes. I pray that you see the negativity here.
    As I said before and say again you should test all things ,but in ” LOVE “, not with malice. Becoming mean if someone does not agree with you. If you do not agree with me thats ok , but convince me with LOVE AND KINDNESS . wHAT HAPPENS IF YOU ARE WRONG??????? I can take bible verses out of context too. I can quote many scriptures too, to make my point look good . What for.
    There is a lost world out there and we should be worried about them not pulling others down.

  53. keith porritt says:

    The truth hurts, or sets you free

  54. keith porritt says:

    please read Matthew chapter 7, the whole chapter and pray that the holy spirit opens your spiritual eyes.
    I guess this 1 hit wonder will not return ,as you have branded me. I ask that God will bless you and also convict you.

  55. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Dear Keith

    For some strange reason you comments landed in the SPAM section. Fortunately I check this section regularly for lost comments.

    Anyhow, look this is what it boils down to – Reading Angus’ bible or not. If you feel it is the truth and ALL TRUTH, then go ahead and read it. We won’t stop you.

    >> wHAT HAPPENS IF YOU ARE WRONG???????

    We are not wrong in this instance. Sometimes were are wrong on small thingies, but when I am shown by the Holy Spirit I am wrong I am the first one to apologize. In the case of Angus’ bible, we are right.

    Here is a question for you keith: do you think Catholics are Christian?

  56. Leon Pyatt says:

    Mem of God why do you fight over this book? if it is helpful to get men reading and understanding the Word of God, then it is good. it never clams to be the bible The Forword say that the book hope to being a man closer to God. That a man might say of him “I see Jesus in him” this is the goal of every Christian right? your all posting you points of view and yet not willing to really think of what the reason most men fail to be christlike. This book is just a tool for Men to start growing in the word of God. it a good starting point for getting men to read and learn and as they do that they will seek the Lord more unless they are blasted by some of you for reading a book outside the bible.

  57. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Dear Leon

    >> it never clams to be the bible The Forword say that the book hope to being a man closer to God.

    Yes it does, the title says BIBLE in 366 days for men. Why does Angus not point men to the actual bible to get closer to God instead of his false 366 day version? Are you saying that men are incapable of reading the bible itself first and need other books to bring them closer to Him first before they attempt to read the Bible?

    >> This book is just a tool for Men to start growing in the word of God. it a good starting point for getting men to read and learn and as they do that they will seek the Lord more unless they are blasted by some of you for reading a book outside the bible.

    What other books according to you are tools to use to bring people closer to God?

  58. Phillip says:

    Call me stupid then, because The Bible was difficult to understand for me in some ways. And only when someone would explain some of the verses etc. would I be able to understand. I have not read Angus’ book, but I am sure he might want to help men(especially the less literate ones, which are quit common in S.A.). Sometimes the Holy Spirit would inspire us in strange ways to help others, ways that we don’t always understand ourselves. I will not stand in the way of Gods’ work, ever. Anyway, we are not to judge, for it is not our place to do so. May Gods people start standing as one bride one day. An eye cannot function without a brain. May Gods love be with you all.

  59. Phillip wrote:

    Call me stupid then, because The Bible was difficult to understand for me in some ways. And only when someone would explain some of the verses etc. would I be able to understand. I have not read Angus’ book, but I am sure he might want to help men(especially the less literate ones, which are quit common in S.A.). Sometimes the Holy Spirit would inspire us in strange ways to help others, ways that we don’t always understand ourselves. I will not stand in the way of Gods’ work, ever. Anyway, we are not to judge, for it is not our place to do so. May Gods people start standing as one bride one day. An eye cannot function without a brain. May Gods love be with you all.

    Thank you Phillip, I am a South African and NOT illiterate. To judge is not an option. You are commanded to judge. In fact judging righteously is a sign of spiritual maturity.

    1 Corinthians 2:15 Amplified Bible (AMP)

    15 But the spiritual man [the spiritually mature Christian] judges all things [questions, examines and applies what the Holy Spirit reveals], yet is himself judged by no one [the unbeliever cannot judge and understand the believer’s spiritual nature].

    Angus Buchan and every other preacher are not eabove judgement. In fact, the Bereans judged Paul’s preaching in the light of Scripture and so should you.

    And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. (Acts 17:10-11)

  60. Phillip

    I just love how those who tell us not to judge come in full force and judge us. I am going to give you some scripture that is very easy to understand all by itself without me having to explain it to you:

    1 Thessalonians 5:21 (Amplified Bible)

    21 But test and prove all things [until you can recognize] what is good; [to that] hold fast.

    John 7:24 (Amplified Bible)

    24 Be honest in your judgment and do not decide at a glance (superficially and by appearances); but judge fairly and righteously.

    >> I will not stand in the way of Gods’ work, ever.

    How do you know it’s God’s work? Because someone quotes scripture it must be, is that your reasoning?

    >> May Gods people start standing as one bride one day.

    That’s a bit of a contradiction if ever there was one; firstly God’s people ARE the bride of Christ, secondly there are those who proclaim to be Christian but are not, therefore they are NOT the bride of Christ.

    Do you believe Catholics, Mormons etc are Christian?

  61. Tina says:

    I have just come across this web site when checking out something about Angus Buchan.
    All I can say is, how sad it is to read it as an outsider from another land.
    You all call yourselves “Christians” but here you all are bitching among yourselves over what? This is playing into Satan’s hands, causing division and strife between those who should “love each other deeply”.

    Follow Christ only and not man. God raises some up for a purpose and He can use anyone He wants to further His cause. They may go off the rails as we discern “going off” but in the end God will judge their hearts and motives as He will ours in “gossiping” about each other on-line or elsewhere.
    1st Thessalonians Ch.4 v 9-12.

  62. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Dear Tina

    You said, “but here you all are bitching among yourselves over what”

    B****ing? really? You pray with that mouth too? It’s not like I didn’t give you 5 minutes to edit your comment.

    You said, “They may go off the rails as we discern “going off” but in the end God will judge their hearts and motives”

    Do you think you can say that to the anti-Christ and his henchmen as well I mean if your comment is good for the goose then it’s good for the gander right? Lets see, I can see you saying something like this; “Ohhh man of lawlessness I will never expose you and your false teaching because I can see you have just gone off the rails, WHATEEVERRRRR “going of the rails” means, like where doooo we draw the line…I mean pfffff…it’s not like Satan is directing your actions and using you to lead millions of people directly to hell, come give me a hug why don’t you.”

    Do you not know that we are told by the Word of God to expose Satan and his ministers of righteousness who have crept into the church unawares 2 Corinthians 11:15

    You said ” God will judge their hearts and motives as He will ours in “gossiping” about each other on-line or elsewhere”

    Gossiping? really? What would you have said to Peter when he exposed Simon Magus the sorcerer? Acts Chapter 8: 9-25 “Hey you Peter stop gossiping, stop b****ing, don’t EVER say another word about a false teacher, let God be the judge.”

    You are right God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” Romans 2:6 but that does not mean we must be quiet about the WORDS they speak that are contrary to the gospel. Its because the church is quiet and accepting that it’s in the state it’s in.

    If you know the truth that someone is preaching falsely and you do not say anything their blood will be on YOUR hands. “When I say to the wicked, ‘You wicked person, you will surely die,’ and you do not speak out to dissuade them from their ways, that wicked person will die for their sin, and I will hold you accountable for their blood.” Ezekiel 33:8

    But I am sure you would have told Ezekiel to stop gossiping too.

  63. Tina says:

    Proverbs Ch. 15, v1.

    If you’d read it correctly instead of going off on a tangent, you would realise that I was speaking of God judging those who call themselves born-again believers, not Satan and the whosoever.

    It’s like I said, a sad site with a holier than thou and finger pointing attitude and somewhere to vent anger and sarcasm too – not attractive. (2nd, 7th and last paragraphs)

  64. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Dear Tina

    So only you can point fingers at us right? Yes that is usually how it is, we must be quiet while you and your false teachers can preach away and lead people to hell. You don’t know what is false and what is not false if it jumped out and warned you, like we are. You call Angus a man of God yet he is not, he is Satan’s minister of righteousness that you are telling us not to warn people about – that is like telling Satan he has free reign and Jesus must keep quiet. You tell us to follow Christ and not man, yet whoooo are you following and defending tooth and nail? Angus Buchan. And I was not being sarcastic, I was telling it like it really is Tina.

    Tell me something, do you speak in tonuges? Have you been slain in the spirit?

  65. It is not just about God judging peoples’ hearts. We have been given the command to judge all things so that we may not be deceived.

    1 Corinthians 2:15 Amplified Bible (AMP)

    15 But the spiritual man [the spiritually mature Christian] judges all things [questions, examines and applies what the Holy Spirit reveals], yet is himself judged by no one [the unbeliever cannot judge and understand the believer’s spiritual nature].

    If you fail to judge all things you are but a child being tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine.

    That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; (Eph 4:14)

    What would you like to be – a spiritually mature Christian or a little child tossed about to and fro by every wind of false doctrine?

  66. Tina says:

    I don’t know what I am saying, really? Well you tell me exactly where in what I’ve written did I call Angus Buchan a man of God, and where did I defend Angus Buchan tooth and nail?

  67. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Dear Tina

    You said, “God raises some up for a purpose and He can use anyone He wants to further His cause.”

    Who are you talking about? You are taking about Angus Buchan. Just re-read your 1st comment to us where you tell us very politely to keep quiet and let Angus (Whom God raised up according to you) have his way and lead millions of people astray.

    Can you please be so kind and answer my question, do you speak in tongues and have you been slain in the spirit?

  68. Tina says:

    Yes, SOME, there are many Angus Buchans out there, you assume, wrongly, I was referring to him specially.

    Whether I speak in tongues or have been slain in the spirit is not for you to question. Still if you want to waste time on here quibbling over whose doctrinal stance is right or wrong, that’s your choice.
    It’s not for me, there are bigger issues in the world that some of us have to deal with.

  69. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Dear Time

    You said, “waste time on here quibbling over whose doctrinal stance is right or wrong, that’s your choice.
    It’s not for me, there are bigger issues in the world that some of us have to deal with.”

    I am sorry to burst your bubble but false teaching is THE WORST, MOST TERRIBLE thing in this entire world, worse than terrorism and anything you can think of, because FALSE DOCTRINE leads people straight to an ETERNAL DEATH after they die a physical death. It’s false teaching that causes all the trouble in this world in the first place, hence ISIS who believe in a FALSE DOCTRINE think they have the right to murder people by chopping off their heads and false Christians can molest their kids and beat their wives. And you want to know what’s sad Tina? The person that had their head chopped off probably believed in false doctrine and are now in hell.

    PLEASE READ THIS
    Hebrews 5:11-14 Amplified Bible, Classic Edition (AMPC)
    11 Concerning this we have much to say which is hard to explain, since you have become dull in your [spiritual] hearing and sluggish [even [f]slothful in achieving spiritual insight].
    12 For even though by this time you ought to be teaching others, you actually need someone to teach you over again the very first principles of God’s Word. You have come to need milk, not solid food.
    13 For everyone who continues to feed on milk is obviously inexperienced and unskilled in the doctrine of righteousness (of conformity to the divine will in purpose, thought, and action), for he is a mere infant [not able to talk yet]!
    14 But solid food is for full-grown men, for those whose senses and mental faculties are trained by practice to discriminate and distinguish between what is morally good and noble and what is evil and contrary either to divine or human law.

    Please tell me what is worse than spending an eternity in hell? What bigger issue is there that is worse than spending an eternity in hell?

    You wont tell us if you speak in tongues or were slain in the spirit? A mature Christian will jump to answer that question.

  70. Tina says:

    I see you are passionate about folk not going to hell and about false doctrine and rightly so, however,
    some of us are dealing with death on our doorsteps on a daily basis, that kind of concentrates the mind you know.
    Some of us are facing severe persecution.
    some of us…………I could go on.
    So you will forgive me if I don’t get on a soapbox to condemn all round anything that differs from my stance. This is how wars start and where Hitler began.
    I prefer to do as Jesus instructed and pray for my enemies and those who persecute me.

    As for a mature Christian jumping to answer your question, who says so? I take you have decided this.

  71. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Tina

    So when Jude wrote the following in the bible:

    Jude 1-17 Amplified Bible, Classic Edition (AMPC)

    1 Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ (the Messiah), and brother of James, [writes this letter] to those who are called (chosen), dearly loved by God the Father and separated (set apart) and kept for Jesus Christ:
    2 May mercy, [soul] peace, and love be multiplied to you.
    3 Beloved, my whole concern was to write to you in regard to our common salvation. [But] I found it necessary and was impelled to write you and urgently appeal to and exhort [you] to contend for the faith which was once for all [a]handed down to the saints [the faith which is that sum of Christian belief which was delivered [b]verbally to the holy people of God].
    4 For certain men have crept in stealthily [[c]gaining entrance secretly by a side door]. Their doom was predicted long ago, ungodly (impious, profane) persons who pervert the grace (the spiritual blessing and favor) of our God into lawlessness and wantonness and immorality, and disown and deny our sole Master and Lord, Jesus Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One).
    5 Now I want to remind you, though you were fully informed once for all, that though the Lord [at one time] delivered a people out of the land of Egypt, He subsequently destroyed those [of them] who did not believe [who refused to adhere to, trust in, and rely upon Him].
    6 And angels who did not keep (care for, guard, and hold to) their own first place of power but abandoned their proper dwelling place—these He has reserved in custody in eternal chains (bonds) under the thick gloom of utter darkness until the judgment and doom of the great day.
    7 [The wicked are sentenced to suffer] just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the adjacent towns—which likewise gave themselves over to impurity and indulged in unnatural vice and sensual perversity—are laid out [in plain sight] as an exhibit of perpetual punishment [to warn] of everlasting fire.
    8 Nevertheless in like manner, these dreamers also corrupt the body, scorn and reject authority and government, and revile and libel and scoff at [heavenly] glories (the glorious ones).
    9 But when [even] the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, judicially argued (disputed) about the body of Moses, he dared not [presume to] bring an abusive condemnation against him, but [simply] said, The Lord rebuke you!
    10 But these men revile (scoff and sneer at) anything they do not happen to be acquainted with and do not understand; and whatever they do understand physically [that which they know by mere instinct], like irrational beasts—by these they corrupt themselves and are destroyed (perish).
    11 Woe to them! For they have run riotously in the way of Cain, and have abandoned themselves for the sake of gain [it offers them, following] the error of Balaam, and have perished in rebellion [like that] of Korah!
    12 These are hidden reefs (elements of danger) in your love feasts, where they boldly feast sumptuously [carousing together in your midst], without scruples providing for themselves [alone]. They are clouds without water, swept along by the winds; trees, without fruit at the late autumn gathering time—twice (doubly) dead, [lifeless and] plucked up by the roots;
    13 Wild waves of the sea, flinging up the foam of their own shame and disgrace; wandering stars, for whom the gloom of eternal darkness has been reserved forever.
    14 It was of these people, moreover, that Enoch in the seventh [generation] from Adam prophesied when he said, Behold, the Lord comes with His myriads of holy ones (ten thousands of His saints)
    15 To execute judgment upon all and to convict all the impious (unholy ones) of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed [in such an] ungodly [way], and of all the severe (abusive, jarring) things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.
    16 These are inveterate murmurers (grumblers) who complain [of their lot in life], going after their own desires [controlled by their passions]; their talk is boastful and arrogant, [and they claim to] admire men’s persons and pay people flattering compliments to gain advantage.
    17 But you must remember, beloved, the predictions which were made by the apostles (the special messengers) of our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One).
    ———–

    What would you say to him? Jude; “So you will forgive me if I don’t get on a soapbox to condemn all round anything that differs from my stance. This is how wars start and where Hitler began.”

    And by the way Tina, I too have many afflictions that I suffer with on a daily basis.

    Psalm 34:19 King James Version (KJV)
    19 Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the LORD delivereth him out of them all.

    You said “As for a mature Christian jumping to answer your question, who says so? I take you have decided this.”

    Because it’s false teaching and if you were serious about your relationship with Jesus you would joyously tell us that you do not speak in tongues and you have not been slain in the spirit.

  72. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Tina

    You said “I prefer to do as Jesus instructed and pray for my enemies and those who persecute me.”

    How do you know who is your enemy when you are not interested in discerning false teaching from good solid doctrine?

  73. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    *crickets….krik…krik…krik* I think it’s safe for me to go to bed now?

  74. Tina, would you give anyone who is thirsty a glass of water with a small drop of lethal poison in it and not tell the person their is poison in the glass? Slain in the spirit, to mention but one, is pure poison. What did Jesus mean when he said “Take heed that no man deceive you” and how does it tie in with his command to pray for your enemies?

  75. Reuel says:

    Hi Folks

    Interesting article indeed and lots of truth but let’s ask if this is not the trend. Joyce Myers, Silly Osravech, Nina Smit and Andrew Murray and many others have done the same. They all have daily/inspirational/quotes all the same trend that Angus is doing. He has stood up and brought a nation to pray together, not charging them a cent to come together except their own costs to get there. How do you be a preacher in the world together except you sell books/comments/summaries of the bible- right or wrong? Do we break down the preachers? Let’s look at the fruit of their lives. Yes true the bible needs to be read as a whole to keep context. As a pastor myself I know most religious thinking comes from a few versus only and says I am right and everyone else is wrong.

  76. Maureen says:

    Oh my word! I wonder what Jesus thinks about all of the above comments. Aren’t we supposed to correct each other in love? No wonder people are not interested in becoming Christians. I’m so glad I chose not to follow any church doctrination or leaders. It’s just me, my Father, my Saviour and the Holy Spirit. I think you all need to step back and commit this to God prayerfully.

  77. Dear Reuel

    When everyone HAD TO GO PERSONALLY to the “It’s Time” meeting, because according to Angus Jesus Christ can’t be in your midst when 2 or more pray at home or wherever you are (Matthew 18:20) no no no, YOU HAD TO GO to the meeting, you had to be INCONVENIENCED, you had to DO WORK, He said ““It is not good enough to just go to your house and pray with your family. We need to come together as a nation and we need to seek the Lord together.”

    It cost R100 to camp by the way, and you were asked to DONATE by the way which I am sure many people did. So when people traveled all through the night from all over the country to get to Bloemfontein, Angus …touched down in his private jet just a stone’s throw from the area where the event was held.”

    http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/free-state/buchan-leads-massive-crowd-in-prayer-for-sa-8779264

  78. Dear Maureen

    Who are you speaking too? Are you saying we do not speak in love? Or is it Angus’ followers attacking us?

    Your argument “No wonder people are not interested in becoming Christians.” Is a load of nonsense. People don’t become Christian because their hears are wicked. (Jeremiah 17:9) “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”

  79. Tish Ricahrdson says:

    Just a comment.
    Angus arrived in his private jet at the Its Time Meeting.
    Listen to his video at 21.08.
    He asks what are you going to tell your grandchildren when they ask you ‘where were you when Jesus came to South Africa.’ (Not Verbatim). Are we not warned against this in the Bible.
    Has Jesus not given us a commandment. “Be not deceived” I always tell my grand children that the Good Lord gave us 2 ears 2 eyes and brain between them so that we see and hear and discern and only one mouth so that we hear and see and determine more than we speak. Pontius Pilate ask his partner.” Do you know that truth when you hear it?” She replied “Yes, do you?” He answered “What is truth?”

  80. Tish Richardson says:

    Folks,

    One of my ancestors sat on the council that translated the original KJV Bible. I use the word translated because that is what they did. They were very aware of the fact that to change Gods word would be a cardinal sin.
    http://www.kjv-only.com/rick/influence.html
    Check out the above url.
    Truth is everything. If there is no truth then there is no lie…..

  81. Amanda says:

    Wow. Have you guys never heard of a devotional? Angus is not claiming his devotional is a new Bible or replacing the Bible. Why are Christians so hateful to other Christians? The world will know we belong to Jesus by our love for one another.

    A devotional does not replace our own personal Bible reading and study. It is additional to that.

    First let me be honest, I was sad when Angus demanded that we all be there in Bloemfontein because that is what God wanted for that prayer meeting and that it is not good enough to pray only in our house with family, we had to be there. I was sad because I would have loved to be there but it was impossible because I am caretaker of my Ma who suffers from Alzheimer’s dementia.
    But nevertheless I prayed at home and afterwards when watching video footage of the event, I was blessed. It is beautiful when God’s people gather in His name.

    Angus is not perfect, but neither am I. I make mistakes, say something I should rather not have said. I did not hold any resentment towards him because of what he said.
    I was over-joyed when he announced the prayer meeting in Cape Town, even though, again, I could not attend because of my Ma, but my husband went there with a friend, a brother in Christ.

    God was glorified not Angus. He never took any glory for himself. He even said he is only a guest at that event, that it is all about Jesus.
    He encourages people to draw closer to Jesus. He prays with people. He read from the Bible. 9 or 12 gang leaders came to faith in Christ. That is a good thing! That is all God’s doing!???️ Even if only one person was saved or only one lukewarm Christian became on fire for God again, that prayer day was worth it.

    Regarding speaking in tongues, it is mentioned in the Bible as one of the spiritual gifts. It did not cease. Nowhere is it mentioned that it ceased and the Scripture that says “when the perfect has come, the partial shall be done away with” (or something like that, speaking from memory) does not mean it has ceased yet. It will cease when Jesus returns. Until then while on this earth God’s church need to be built up, encouraged in the Spirit, with a word of prophecy! Holy Spirit gifts to each as He wills.

    As for Angus arriving “in his private jet” at the Bloemfontein prayer meeting, Angus does not own a jet, that was lend to him just like the helicopter with which he arrived at Mitchell’s Plain in Cape Town on the 24th of March 2018.
    Do you have proof that the jet belongs to him?

    Neither does He claim to be Jesus. Why lie about him so much? He has the Spirit of Christ and he brought the message of Christ. Do we as believers not bring Christ in us when we speak His word to the lost? Do we not show Christ to the world in our actions, in our words, by our love?

    Praise God, today in my alone time with Him as I was pouring out my heart before him regarding unbelievers who were hating on me, making false accusations against me when all I did was bring the Good News of Jesus in love.
    In His word, this was where God spoke to my heart:
    2 Timothy 2:3, 19
    You therefore must endure hardship as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.

    Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,”….

    2 Timothy 3:12
    Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution.

    I pray God convicts His loveless slanderous church. For all this is not bringing glory to God. I can understand when it comes from unbelievers, but the church? No, it should not be this way brothers and sisters.???️

    #SoliDeoGloria

  82. Dear Amanda

    You said “Wow. Have you guys never heard of a devotional? Angus is not claiming his devotional is a new Bible or replacing the Bible.”

    Devotionals are NOT biblical in fact Christian devotional literature (also called devotionals or Christian living literature) is religious writing that is neither doctrinal nor theological, but designed for individuals to read for their personal edification and spiritual formation. Theologian Karl Holl has suggested that devotional literature came into full development at the time of Pietism during the second half of the 17th century – Devotionals are a Roman Catholic thing.

    Tongues has ceased, the bible says so: See article: https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/07/18/speaking-in-tongues/

    Do you believe that Roman Catholicism is Christian?

    I could not be bothered if he owns a jet or not, according to Angus people had to work and suffer and take time out for the Lord (a Roman Catholic thing to do by the way) and make the trip out there to Bloem to pray, yet he arrives in luxury, while others had to drive for hours and hours. And for what by the way? Can you tell me what “TIME” it was that God supposedly called everyone together to pray for?

    You said “9 or 12 gang leaders came to faith in Christ.”

    Which Christ where they converted too, Jesus Christ or the Roman Catholic Christ that Angus Buchan believes in?

    No one on this site ever claimed he thought he was Jesus. He is however a false teacher that has conned millions with his silly “grass roots” stories, and I pray for his salvation.

    See all articles on: Angus Buchan: https://www.discerningtheworld.com/category/pastors-teachers-speakers/a/angus-buchan/

  83. Amanda says:

    But you claimed he “touched down in his private jet”, Deborah. You do not have proof that he owns a jet. And what utter nonsense regarding devotionals (dagstukkies). It is from the Bible so it is biblical. I have nothing to do with Roman Catholicism and neither does Angus. Angus does not pray to Mary or the saints or do any of the things the Catholics do! Where do you get this from? Serious question…where do you get this from? I have never heard from Angus that he is a Catholic, only from his accusers.
    Just because Angus says to do that for the Lord (make the effort to come to a prayer meeting even if it is long distance), does not mean he is commanding anyone to do works towards their salvation. That is a blatant lie. You actually insult the Christians who go to his prayer meetings with your accusations against Angus.

    His “grass roots” stories may be silly to you, but it touches the hearts of many for Jesus. When I used to watch it on TV, I was blessed. I don’t watch TV anymore. You really seem bitter and hell-bent on slandering Angus with your lies.

    And I don’t need a link to your blog regarding speaking in tongues, I have the Bible as my source. Thanks but no thanks.

    As for Catholicism, no they can’t be Christians if they do things that are totally unbiblical.

    Some people drive by car, some walk, some fly by plane. What does it matter to anyone? Your focus should be on Jesus and that’s it and if you do not want to go, you are free not to. So why worry about others who decide to join the prayer meeting with much effort or fly by jet, who by the way do not see it as a work towards their salvation?

    And now you doubt the salvation of the gang leaders. :shock: Who exactly do you think you are Deborah? I can tell you that you show no love. Yes of course you will disagree, but I see no love from you. To even doubt the salvation of the gang leaders in Mitchell’s Plain is very sad. Seeing as Angus is NOT a catholic, the gang leaders converted to Jesus of the Bible!

    Someone in the replies to your article mentioned something about Angus saying in his video “where were you when Jesus came to South Africa?” I took that she meant Angus sees himself as Jesus?? I may be mistaken. But I don’t know what else she meant.

    And to say Angus is not saved! No Deborah, you are wrong. Yes we are to judge the fruits and Angus bears good fruit. You need to examine your own motives going at Angus like this. You need prayer. Please pray for me also. I do so need it. Thank you. God bless you and please let go of that critical spirit. I know we are to be aware of the wolves and false teachings and reveal them, but Angus is not. I have yet to hear anything unbiblical from him and that said, I have not heard all he preaches, but what I have heard is biblical. Do not belittle the work of God’s people for Him, by speaking of his “silly grass roots stories”.

    I will go check your link on Angus to see what else you are criticising about him, but the fact that you already say things about him that is not true, it will be hard to swallow anything else you write about him. Please don’t get mad. I’m just being honest.

    Have you seen on his FB page and on news articles how people spew hate at him and many of them claim to be Christians? They make accusations that he is only in it for the money which is a lie. It breaks my heart to see that God’s people join with the unbelievers against Angus, a man of God. It grieves my spirit. But enough said. Good night.

  84. Hi Amanda. Forget about the jet. It’s not important and let’s rather focus on Angus Buchan’s doctrinal beliefs. He once said in a video on YouTube that we should put our petty doctrines aside and come together as a people to heal our land. Do you agree? If you do, I would like to remind you of the Apostle John’s stern warning in 2 John verse 9.

    Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. (2 John 1:9-11).

    I assume you know Rodney Howard-Browne, the so-called Holy Ghost Bartender. Do you? Well, I saw a video on Rodney Howard Browne’s site (it has since been removed) where Angus Buchan stands arm in arm with him, bidding Rodney Godspeed. Now, either you believe God who says that doing something like that is akin to being a partner of his evil deeds or you don’t. If you do not believe God then you yourself are a partaker of their evil deeds.

    Angus Buchan says, “our petty doctrines cause divisions and we must put them aside.” God says,

    I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word [doctrines] above all thy name.(Psalm 138:2)

    Anyone, including Angus Buchan, who regards God’s doctrines as petty (trivial; of little importance), is not honoring God and his Name. They are honoring another Jesus, preaching another gospel which is no gospel at all, and filling people with another spirit. In one word – they are false teachers. (2 Corinthians 11:4).

    This is what’s left of the Buchan/Howard-Browne video. https://www.revival.com/a/2658-pastor-rodney-with-angus-buchan

    Also read here: http://nickmaartens.co.za/wp-content/uploads/sites/16/2017/04/Angus-Buchan-and-Associates.pdf

  85. Dear Amanda

    I am not bothered about his jet, I am bothered about what he believes: Read this article where Angus pray to and says he believes in the Holy Catholic Church now tell me Amanda that
    Angus is not Catholic: https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2017/04/19/angus-buchan-time-unite-faiths-under-rome/

    Graham Power who is Angus Buchan’s best friend forever met with Pope Francis: https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2014/12/02/graham-power-freemason-meets-pope-francis/

    See how Angus Buchan and Graham Power work together for the good of the Roman Catholic church: https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2017/04/06/its-time/ and
    Graham Power & Angus Buchan The Transformation of Africa: https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/11/24/graham-power-angus-buchan-the-transformation-of-africa/

    Angus also went to Ireland and reconciled Christians and Catholics: See article: Angus Buchan and the Roman Catholic Reconciliation’: https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2011/12/20/angus-buchan-and-the-roman-catholic-reconciliation/

    Angus is an undercover Roman Catholic. It’s called the Vatican II Evaneglization program to capture the hearts of protestants to the Catholic church. See this shocking article that explains it all: The New Evangelical – Evil fit for a New Dark Age (It started with Billy Grahamn – who was employed by the Vatican to Vaticanize the protestant church and call it Pentecostalism with signs and wonders: speaking in tongues, baptism of the the Holy Spirit etc)

    The churches we have now and the spirit that runs through the church now is an unholy spirit, who wants “unity” of all faiths to come together: https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2017/07/16/angus-buchans-family-day-rcc-conviction/

    Angus Buchan and the Promise Keepers (Freemasonic) https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/11/11/angus-buchan-and-the-promise-keepers/

  86. Dear Amanda

    Read my whole comment: I said:

    “When everyone HAD TO GO PERSONALLY to the “It’s Time” meeting, because according to Angus Jesus Christ can’t be in your midst when 2 or more pray at home or wherever you are (Matthew 18:20) no no no, YOU HAD TO GO to the meeting, you had to be INCONVENIENCED, you had to DO WORK, He said “It is not good enough to just go to your house and pray with your family. We need to come together as a nation and we need to seek the Lord together.”

    It cost R100 to camp by the way, and you were asked to DONATE by the way which I am sure many people did. So when people traveled all through the night from all over the country to get to Bloemfontein, Angus …touched down in his private jet just a stone’s throw from the area where the event was held.”

    http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/free-state/buchan-leads-massive-crowd-in-prayer-for-sa-8779264

    I am not interested in his private jet (that is what IOL.co.za stated, that it was a private jet, I didn’t make it up.). I see however that if you click IOL’s link, that the page has been removed.

    HOWEVER I repeat, I am not interested in the jet, I am interested in the fact that his orders were that everyone (but himself) be totally INCONVENIENCED and made everyone to WORK – pack the kids, drive through the night, etc etc, etc, while he Angus hitched a comfy ride to Bloem. You had to be inconvenienced for Christ, otherwise your prayers meant nothing. but most importantly there had to be a show of multiple faiths coming together under one God to pray (no matter which Jesus/God they professed to believe in) – This is called Ecumenism.

    In the Encyclical Ut Unum Sint, John Paul II stressed the central role of the work of ecumenism: “the movement promoting Christian unity is not just some sort of ‘appendix’ which is added to the Church’s traditional activity. Rather, ecumenism is an organic part of her life and work.”[1] Like his predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI also wants to do everything possible to re-establish the unity of all our Lord’s disciples. “For my part I renew here the determination I expressed at the beginning of my Pontificate to take on as a priority commitment and to spare no effort in the task of rebuilding the full and visible unity of all Christ’s followers.”[2] This deep concern for unity affects all Catholics. An essential aspiration of Christians is the full communion of all men and women with God, in accord with our Lord’s prayer: that all may be one,[3] as members of the one Church founded by Christ, which “subsists in” (subsistit in) the Catholic Church, as the dogmatic constitution Lumen Gentium teaches.[4]

    To attain full communion among Christians, the first thing needed is prayer, closely united to that of Christ… http://opusdei.org/en-za/article/ecumenism-2/

  87. I don’t think Amanda will come back. Her god, Angus Buchan, is standing in her way and preventing her from finding the truth.

  88. Amanda says:

    Tom, Angus is not my god. Please do not insult me. All I am doing is speaking up against the hate from Christians against him. You don’t know me, yet you falsely accuse me. So anyone saying anything good about Angus, not agreeing with everything you guys say, is now worshipping Angus? Your words are not coming from love, but pride. I already found the truth or rather the Truth found me, Jesus who is the truth.

    I discerned Rodney Howard Brown long ago. I am absolutely not a fan. Maybe Angus is only being ‘nice’ with people. If I were Angus, I would stay clear of the false prophets. But maybe he does not know that they are! I also know Rick Joyner, Todd Bentley and many of the ‘Elijah list’ prophets are false prophets.
    Maybe I am wrong about Angus, but until I hear with my own ears that he praises the Catholics and the pope and says something unbiblical, I won’t believe that he is not of God. Meeting with the pope does not make one false. I won’t care to, but to each his own.
    I am disappointed that the dams in Cape Town are not full as he said they would be in March 2018. The atheists are having a field day with that. But I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt, because he did not say God said so, he said that from himself. So I take it he was speaking in faith and it did not happen according to his faith. Anything he does in the Name of God that is not from God, he will answer to God for that, for that is taking the Name of our Lord in vain.

    Has Angus actually ever said that he is a prophet? I have never heard him say that, only some of his followers claim that. I don’t. How about you guys go after the real false prophets like Dr. David Owuor. Now if there ever was a false prophet, that one is it, yet he preaches repentance and holiness! Owuor also preaches false pre-trib rapture.
    His latest videos on Youtube channel “Repent and prepare the way” @ https://www.youtube.com/user/chitywa are crazy. He claims he is the two witnesses from Revelation, that “God doubled his prophet”. :ohno: Check/ He claims he is the “ancient prophet of God”. He claims that He caused the earth in Kenya to split, regarding the huge crack that opened up in Kenya. Fake fake fake photo manipulations in his videos, too ridiculous to even bother to mention, yet he has a following. Owuor is using fear to threaten those who oppose him.

    Angus thinks the wind at his meetings is the Holy Spirit at work. What harm is there in that? It seems he experiences God very literally. How can you deny when he says he spoke in tongues and sang in tongues? There are things God has done in my life that was supernatural, one was about asking God about praying in tongues and a whirlwind, but I won’t go into detail, I won’t bother to cast my pearls where it will only be trampled. Oh and no pastor or anyone was involved with that or influenced me or experienced it with me, just God and I. Maybe it was nothing, but I know that I know it was God answering me. God is a God with whom nothing is impossible if we will only believe, have the faith Abraham had. I have faith. Granted sometimes I have faith and what I am asking of God, He does not grant me. I am okay with that, for God knows best even if I do not understand why. I love Him nonetheless. His grace is enough for me. I believe like Job, though He slay me, yet will I trust Him.

    May God be merciful to all of us who can only see the splinter in another’s eye and not the beam in our own. May God open our eyes to our own lovelessness towards the brethren when all we can do is demonise everyone. God have mercy on us all. May God bless His church and open our eyes to the false prophets. There are many. I don’t care much for anyone’s titles. To me it is all about Jesus, not a mere fallible man.

    My husband went to Mitchell’s Plain prayer day in Cape Town. It was free, everything was free. There was prayer, people came to salvation. I already mentioned that I don’t agree with everything he says, like when he demanded everyone go to Bloemfontein and that praying in our rooms is good but not what God wants for that day, but to be there in Bloem. Would I ever go to an Angus gathering?…I don’t know, I don’t think so, but I won’t run him down, because he speaks of the love of God but also warns people to repent, just like the Spirit in Revelation says to the churches, to repent. Angus is not against Jesus, he is for Jesus. Angus believes in the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit who are one.

    God bless you.†♥
    P.S. Too many links…sorry, but I don’t have time. And no Angus does not have a jet or helicopter. He said so himself in one of his videos.

  89. HI Amanda, I have a few questions for you. You wrote,

    Angus thinks the wind at his meetings is the Holy Spirit at work. What harm is there in that? It seems he experiences God very literally. How can you deny when he says he spoke in tongues and sang in tongues? There are things God has done in my life that was supernatural, one was about asking God about praying in tongues and a whirlwind, but I won’t go into detail, I won’t bother to cast my pearls where it will only be trampled.

    What is wrong with that? Well, it is a lie and all lies come from Satan and not God the Holy Spirit, or the Father, or Jesus Christ (John 8:44). Do you really think God sees no harm in that? I really think you should make sure whether your experience with God is a pearl and not something else. The Holy Spirit was poured out once at Pentecost in a spectacular way and will never again be poured out in that way.

    You say you discerned Rodney Howard-Browne long ago. Don’t you mean you spoke ill and with hatred of him?

    You say oom Angus should stay away from false prophets. My question: How can he stay away when he himself is a false prophet? False prophets believe we should put aside our petty doctrines and come together as a people – Roman Catholics, Presbyterians, Methodists, Dutch Reformed, Cosmic Christ believers etc. etc. He was not only nice to Rodney Howard-Browne. He blessed him and bid him Godspeed.

    Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. (2 John 1:9-11)

    I suppose you would also accuse Paul of lovelessness when he says:

    But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preaches any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed (anathema – cast int hell). (Gal 1:8-9).

    Anyone who speaks of Jesus and the Holy Spirit at his meetings but encourages his followers to put aside their doctrines so that we may unite with others’, is a false prophet. PERIOD! If he is for Jesus and not against Him, as you say, he would never have said anything so demeaning of Christ’s doctrines as he did in a YouTube video. I said it before and I’ll say it again. You too are making yourself guilty of 2 John 11. I really think you should repent of that.

    You wrote:

    My husband went to Mitchell’s Plain prayer day in Cape Town. It was free, everything was free. There was prayer, people came to salvation.

    Multitudes of people came to “salvation” at Billy Graham’s meetings. These so-called salvations were merely used as a means to send them back to the Roman Catholic Church.

    And would you please stop your jet and helicopter story. I already said it’s not important.

  90. Dear Amanda

    You said “Too many links…sorry, but I don’t have time.”

    I knew you would say that. :grin: You have time to listen to a false teacher David Owuor but you just don’dont have time to read an article handed to you on a silver platter. Here I will put 1 link for you to make it super easy for you. You will stand before God one day and He will remind you of this moment.

    Read this article where Angus prays and says he believes in the Holy Catholic Church: https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2017/04/19/angus-buchan-time-unite-faiths-under-rome/

    Angus Buchan called Rodney Howard-Browne his brother, as in ‘brother in Christ’. What an insult to Jesus Christ. Do you think the Apostle Paul went around calling false teachers ‘brothers in Christ’? No.

    Looks like you will do anything, think anything and say anything to believe in Angus Buchan.

    When you go visit the Pope (by invitation only) Amanda you are required to kiss the Pope’s ring Amanda…in other words you acknowledge him as the vicar of Christ and the Catholic church as your Mother church. Graham Power did not go to preach the truth to the Pope, but instead to discuss the ‘transformation’ of Africa to the Roan CAtholic church via the false unholy spirit that is spreading like FIRE and generally comes like a whirlwind. Here is another link explaining the difference between the Holy Spirit and the false unholy spirit. https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/06/23/the-biblical-holy-spirit-vs-the-false-unholy-spirit-of-fire/

    You said “one was about asking God about praying in tongues and a whirlwind, but I won’t go into detail, I won’t bother to cast my pearls where it will only be trampled.”

    Matthew 7:6 “Do not give what is holy to dogs or throw your pearls before pigs; otherwise they will trample them under their feet and turn around and tear you to pieces.”

    Jesus uses dogs and pigs as representative of those who would ridicule, reject, and blaspheme the gospel once it is presented to them.

    Thanks for insinuating we are pigs, and blaspheming the Holy Spirit because we believe the Word of God over your ‘experience’… what a nice person you are. I can clearly see the spirit by which you operate. You are not presenting the gospel to us, you are telling us about an EXPERIENCE you had and you have no proof other than your words that go against the gospel. Big difference. You asked God for something that He tells you in His Word has ceased. Do you think He is going to go against His Word? No. But someone else listened to your unbiblical request and gave you want your ‘wicked heart’ desired.

    No one was more charismatic than the Apostle Paul, yet God revealed to him that those sign gifts were going to cease. Here is the gospel Amanda:

    1 Corinthians 13:8 “Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.”

    Your infatuation with this ‘jet’ and now ‘helicopter’ is very funny.

  91. Amanda says:

    Oh my goodness. So much distortion of my words. I don’t believe “in” Angus. I believe in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour and Him alone do I serve. You guys spread lies regarding Angus’ supposed “jet & helicopter”, that’s why I keep mentioning it when you try to be dismissive of it.

    I speak in love but you don’t. No I did not make up lies about Rodney Howard-Browne. I do see your sarcasm.

    How insulting to question my experience. I did not say a whirlwind was the Holy Spirit falling as on the day of Pentecost. Again you lie about me and that’s why I said I won’t cast my pearls for it indeed got trampled even though I did not even expand on what happened.

    It is my choice to click and read or not. I have read enough and don’t care for anymore on your site because even here I discern hatred especially from you Tom.

    Angus is not preaching another gospel. He preaches Jesus Christ as Son of God, crucified, resurrected. How is that another gospel?

    But anyway, now you turn against me and my experience. :) My God is very much alive and active in my life, even when He is quiet. I know very well what Jesus meant by the casting pearls etc. I even made a verse pic about it the other day on my Christian page. But here it was certainly trampled on. I operate by the Holy Spirit. So do not grieve the Holy Spirit in me. I too stand on the word of God. I trust in no man (or woman).

    Holy Spirit wants me to stop now, so I will let you go in peace. Bye/

  92. Amanda, this seems to apply to you. And please take note, I am quoting this with much love and affection.

    Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. (2 Timothy 3:7).

    You wrote:

    Angus is not preaching another gospel. He preaches Jesus Christ as Son of God, crucified, resurrected. How is that another gospel?

    Yes, and so does Pope Francis and the Roman Catholic Church and God calls them “MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.” (Revelation 17:5).

    Oh dearie me, I’m so sorry. I shouldn’t have quoted Revelation 17:5 because it is so UNLOVING to call anyone a harlot, let alone a church who preaches Jesus Christ as Son of God, crucified, and resurrected. Please forgive me.

    https://www.catholic.org/clife/jesus/webelieve.php

    Before you leave in the spirit of the “Holy Spirit” and in peace, would you mind telling us how you were saved?

  93. Dear Amanda

    My my but you can only lie. I quoted IOL.co.za regarding a jet, no helicopter was ever mentioned by us – you mentioned the helicopter 1st time here. You think everyone is stupid and can’t read. You can try blacken our name through lies because WE DISCERN by the Holy Spirit that Angus Buchan through his own words (see video below) is part and parcel of the Roman Catholic Church. We do not hate anyone, you hate us for discerning the truth. You are using this silly jet and helicopter ‘lie’ to hide from the truth that Angus Buchan is Catholic. You say you follow Jesus Christ and follow Him only, yet it seems you will protect Angus, and falsely accuse us instead.

    Ohhhhh lookie what I found…. :smile:

    If you don’t want to read, please LISTEN to Angus Buchan in his OWN WORDS. It’s a very short video, it really wont waste any of your time. You can hear Most Reverend Archbishop Angus Buchan say he believes in the HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH at 10 seconds into the video, and he gets thousands upon thousands of people to pray after him. Will you pray this prayer with Angus, Amanda? Wink/

    You said “How insulting to question my experience. I did not say a whirlwind was the Holy Spirit falling as on the day of Pentecost.”

    We are not insulting your experience we are QUESTIONING the validity of your experience. Bible says we are to test everything does it not?

      1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

    You originally said “one was about asking God about praying in tongues and a whirlwind”.

    So if the Holy Spirit was not the whirlwind according to your words, you said; “I did not say a whirlwind was the Holy Spirit”, who or what was the whirlwind then?

    You said the “Holy Spirit wants me to stop now, so I will let you go in peace” Are you sure it’s the Holy Spirit and not another spirit – who doesn’t want you to see the truth?

    We love you so much Amanda that we are willing to argue with you till the cows come home to show you the TRUTH (that you steadfastly refuse to believe).

    By the way, we don’t expect an apology from you for all your lies and false accusations against us ok? :better:

  94. Amanda says:

    [DELETED by DTW – follow your false teacher, off you go…run run…]

  95. Amanda says:

    [Deleted by DTW – You are not going to persuade us, and we clearly are not going to persuade you, so please leave.
    You say our newsletter landed in your spam for the first time and that it is a sign from God. Amazing how easily you fall for supposed signs. I would have just unsubscribed from the previous newsletters at the bottom of the email.]

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