Angus Buchan – It’s Time to Unite All Faiths under Rome

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Discerning the World is an internet Discernment ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa that was founded by Deborah du Rand in 2008. Tom Lessing joined Deborah in May 2013. Tom Lessing founded the website "Waak en Bid/Watch and Pray" which was closed in 2013 and articles moved across to DTW.

39 Responses

  1. The most disturbing thing about Angus Buchan is that he speaks like a lamb while he’s leading people to the slaughter . . . . in the Roman Catholic slaughter house.

    https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2011/12/20/angus-buchan-and-the-roman-catholic-reconciliation/

    Thankx for the article, Deborah. It reminds us of how South Africans are being led along the garden path, thinking that Oom Angus is a modern-day Moses leading us to a restored promised land. Shock/

  2. Jacqui says:

    Thanks for the article Debbie, here’s hoping that the South African subscribers (Maybe the few who are left ……) Will take their blinkers off and start waking up to the truth about Oom Angus. By the way did you know that Tony Palmer was a British born South African and died in July 2014 after a motor bike accident? Just saying…

  3. Jacqui says:

    I have just read that he allegedly checked out of the hospital where he was supposed to have died, (in some comments about his death) Shock/ maybe another lie to add to the millions of others put out by these wolves ………

  4. Hi Jacqui Hi/

    You said “By the way did you know that Tony Palmer was a British born South African”

    I had no idea, thanks for that info.

  5. Hi Jacqui

    You said “I have just read that he allegedly checked out of the hospital where he was supposed to have died, (in some comments about his death)”

    I have a faint recollection of seeing an article or youtube video somewhere where I am sure he said that he died. However according to this article, nope he didn’t die, Angus Buchan says “I was brought back from the brink of death by Jesus,” evangelist Angus Buchan told a crowd estimated at 200 000 at the last session of his Mighty Men Conference near Greytown on Sunday.” http://www.news24.com/southafrica/news/buchan-brought-back-by-jesus-20090427

  6. Marchell le Roux says:

    I’ve read your article under the title “Angus Buchan – It’s Time to Unite All Faiths under Rome”. Can you guarantee that there will be no positive effect on South Africa in a spiritual sense due to the gathering on 22 April 2017 in Bloemfontein?

  7. Dear Marchell

    You said “Can you guarantee that there will be no positive effect on South Africa in a spiritual sense due to the gathering on 22 April 2017 in Bloemfontein?”

    You will find it difficult to not find someone who has never heard of some kind of religious miracle be it – read it on news, saw about it on TV. Many Catholics are convinced of the miracles of various apparitions of the Virgin Mary, weeping or bleeding statues, stigmata etc. There are reported miracles in many other religions including Hinduism, Buddhism, and Islam who all claim to have documented miracles.

    Satan has the power to perform positive spiritual effects on people including masses of people and even make it seem like a nation has been changed spirually for only a while – he can and does perform miracles in ORDER TO DECEIVE. His power is limited of course

      John 8:44 “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”
      2 Corinthians 11:14 “And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.”

    How does Satan deceive? By giving people what they want! Change. It might look good on the outside but inside it’s rotten and driving people AWAY from the God of the Bible to another god (himself)

    When Moses and Aaron went to confront the Pharaoh, Moses performed a miraculous sign to confirm their message from God

      Exodus 7:8–10 “Take thy rod, and cast it before Pharaoh, and it shall become a serpent.”

    The magicians of Egypt were able to perform the EXACET SAME miracle using their enchantments (Exodus 7:11).

    However God’s miracle greater (Exodus 7:12), “…Aaron’s rod swallowed up their rod [serpents]”

    But the fact remains, that the Egyptian magicians were able to perform a satanic miracle in the Pharaoh’s court.

    During the tribulation and the rise upto the tribulation which we are in now, the Antichrist and his ministers of righteousness will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve as spiritual lie, they will even go so far as to lie to the people and tell them that when they come to the IT’S TIME meeting they will even be healed in their seats, as Angus Buchan has stated.

      2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders

    Jesus warned everyone (you included) that the last days will be characterized by DECEIT of counterfeit prophets who will SAY and PERFORM great signs and wonders to deceive everyone into thinking that The Christ that is being spoken of is Jesus Christ when in fact it’s Satan

    Matthew 24:24 “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.”

  8. Jacqui says:

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Hi Jacqui

    You said “I have just read that he allegedly checked out of the hospital where he was supposed to have died, (in some comments about his death)”

    I have a faint recollection of seeing an article or youtube video somewhere where I am sure he said that he died. However according to this article, nope he didn’t die, Angus Buchan says “I was brought back from the brink of death by Jesus,” evangelist Angus Buchan told a crowd estimated at 200 000 at the last session of his Mighty Men Conference near Greytown on Sunday.” http://www.news24.com/southafrica/news/buchan-brought-back-by-jesus-20090427

    Ooh la la Debbie!!! Shock/ A misunderstanding has taken place, I meant Tony Palmer had died not Oompie.

  9. Mike Evans says:

    Hi Deborah. Good article. Tony Palmer’s death is shrouded in mystery. My personal opinion is that it was a ‘Jesuit job’ once they had no further use for him.
    Although the chap in the video dealing with Palmer has some good things to say, are you aware that he quotes Ellen White more than once and is probably a SDA adherent?
    Re the links between Rome and Pentecostalism, I find it interesting that on the same day Agnes Ozman began babbling in demonic tongues in Kansas under Charles Parham’s ‘ministry’, the Pope of that era “invoked” the Holy Spirit to manifest Himself in the earth. Considering the spirit behind the Papacy, it looks like he got what he was wanting. Satan has devastated huge numbers of deceived believers and false converts on the earth with the delusion of the Pentecostal/charismatic renewal, millions of whom are happily marching arm in arm with Rome as we speak- with the aid of Angus.

  10. Hi Jacqui

    Laugh/ That was funny. Well we know that Angus didn’t die but came close to it…I think that is what I read a while ago. You know I read so much stuff.

  11. Hi Mike Hi/

    You know I didn’t watch the video, I was in a rush to just post it. My bad. Ohno/

    You said “on the same day Agnes Ozman began babbling in demonic tongues in Kansas under Charles Parham’s ‘ministry’, the Pope of that era “invoked” the Holy Spirit to manifest Himself in the earth”

    Now that is interesting! Thanks for that info Mike. Up/

  12. Email from Mike
    From: Mike
    Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 4:32 PM
    To: DisceriningtheWorld

    Hi

    Is this a true quote by Angus?

    “Angus Buchan – It’s Time to Unite All Faiths under Rome”

    Many thanks

    Mike

    ———————
    Reply:

    Dear Mike

    Nope that’s just the name of the article. If it was a quote I would have said, Angus says “It’s Time to Unite All Faiths under Rome”.

    However Angus has been active in reconciling Catholics and Protestants back together under one Christ. https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2011/12/20/angus-buchan-and-the-roman-catholic-reconciliation/

    Kind regards
    Deborah

  13. Wickus says:

    Excellent article Tom!!!

  14. Wickus says:

    Excellent article Debs!!! Perfect/

  15. Michael says:

    Let me put the record straight…nobody in the world has more reason to know the real Angus than me. My connection to what Angus and his wife Jill has done and hurt the very core of my soul and my struggle to forgive him and her goes beyond all human expectation. This is very real and true.

    Some people will fall on their backs of what I’m prepared to disclose privately to individual persons that are sincere and trustworthy…I can prove it…my family knows this and so do a lot of my friends but even they by pass it because the wof movement of which a lot of them have fallen victim to and or are influenced by and are blinded by some sort of deceptive spirit that misrepresents the gift of the real Holy Spirit given to us by the Lord Jesus Christ….the Saviour who called this mystical part of His union with the Father the Comforter.

    Angus and Jill have skeletons in their cupboards.

    He talks about forgiveness and repentance of masses…a whole country that must turn from their wicked ways and he is right this country is very wicked…full of corruption…wickedness …total lawlessness abounds…but so does it in other countries but in different forms. But forgiveness and restitution starts in small packages. He talks about restitution and forgiveness between fathers and sons and in families as a whole with our neighbours, fellowmen , business associates and rifted friendships as well but has failed to fixed a genuine rift and actually lied about it…he even wrote about it and continues to.

    All this is the absolute truth but I am not going to disclose this information on a public forum because that creates sensationalism…but anybody who is genuinely concerned I will tell my true story… Deb’s knows the story and I will give her permission to forward to individuals she can discern that can be trusted.

    This is the truth…some people have found Angus very “fishy” and some think it’s jealousy and charo’s and word of faith believers defend him because they are blinded and celebrity people worshippers.

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    Edited – Added 30/5/2017

    Something I want to add…Jill loved me…I was an irresponsible person in my marriage to her…she was justified in leaving me but I came to Christ genuinely after that and did CHANGE…her sister Lesley knew that…and herself tried to side with me in Salisbury to get her back…her parents hated me and were against me from the start of our marriage and manipulated their daughter to divorce me…she had pressure from them and never believed in the changing influence of the Lord Jesus in my life…they were very religious people but without Christ. Her father had worked at the leper colony in Zambia and was an ordained Anglican lay preacher and her mother worshipped in the Methodist church,,,they were very judgmental…they hated me and forced the divorce…I had very little spare money then due to the fact I had resigned from my job and spent what resources I had traveling back and forth to a far away place to bring the person I loved more than anything else back,

    Jill was a very lovely and beautiful girl with incredible artistic talent then…a very quiet person but very deep…I loved her madly.

    She now hides those deep things…I surmise her love for me turned to hate and secretly lives a tormented life. I do not believe faith like potatoes at all.

    We cannot turn the clock back and must take responsibility for our actions…I love my present wife dearly…she is a very good person and trustworthy with integrity…she is not only my lover but my best friend.

    But the whole things a mess and very complicated…the Lord warned us of DIVORCE…a very serious issue unfortunately not taken seriously today amongst Christians…a very serious matter…a hell on earth and it’s consequences for all those involved…very evil.

    Angus and Jill need to repent first of all of many things…discern for yourselves.

    Angus wrote in Gateway News….Tell the truth

    I was married to Jill, in 1969, now Angus Buchan’s wife and we had 2 children…Andrew and Lindi.

    Jill and I were married in Durban just after my mother died of cancer in March 1969 and Andrew was born on the 11th March 1970 at Mothers Hospital In Durban.

    Jill and I moved later to Somerset West in the Cape and Lindi was born a year and one day later at the False Bay Hospital on the 12th March 1971.

    We were married far too young and we had problems…mainly my own fault and Jill left me and went to her parents home in Iris Street, Kabwe, Zambia in November 1971 and would not come back…I traveled twice from Cape Town to Zambia to try and woo her back but to no avail…I even moved to Rhodesia and got a sales job in Salisbury.
    Despite my restitution efforts her parents prevented her from leaving and pressurized a divorce. I fought the divorce and Jill was not able to divorce me but the case went on and on…after a year in Rhodesia…I decided (not my desire…advice from erroneous church… to give her a divorce believing that if the pressure was off, she would come back and we could get remarried…she wrote a letter to me saying she still loved me…I had to say falsely (shows you how the courts are) that I did not want my wife back) a huge lie …because obviously did …I’m guilty of that…and paid heavily for that…I loved her desperately and this is the rotten advice I listened to from my peers…the so-called Christian council,. I returned to Cape Town and still waited for Jill…but she changed her mind under suspicious circumstances.

    Anyway it seemed that she met a farmer in Zambia, Angus Buchan and they got married.

    This is the absolute truth and Angus Buchan’s book and movie “Faith Like Potatoes” is full of lies…page 18…my son and daughter were born there in Zambia is a lie for a start…

    I only found Andrew and Lindi after many years when they were in Greytown by accident…they were 16 and 15 at school. I tried to establish a relationship with them but did not succeed…Angus had stolen their affections and there was a lot of untruth told. They were still in my surname then but Andrew asked me if I would allow him to change his surname to Buchan…while they still at school. I initially stalled on this and eventually allowed him to do so. They were NEVER adopted only a name change.

    Furthermore Angus uses scriptures…out of context to suit himself without regard for others feelings…after stealing my son and daughter affections…he quotes this scripture falsely and totally out of context (shows his manipulative qualities and why naive and trusting but ignorant follow him…

    1 Kings 3:16-28 King James Version (KJV)
    16 Then came there two women, that were harlots, unto the king, and stood before him.
    17 And the one woman said, O my lord, I and this woman dwell in one house; and I was delivered of a child with her in the house.
    18 And it came to pass the third day after that I was delivered, that this woman was delivered also: and we were together; there was no stranger with us in the house, save we two in the house.
    19 And this woman’s child died in the night; because she overlaid it.
    20 And she arose at midnight, and took my son from beside me, while thine handmaid slept, and laid it in her bosom, and laid her dead child in my bosom.
    21 And when I rose in the morning to give my child suck, behold, it was dead: but when I had considered it in the morning, behold, it was not my son, which I did bear.
    22 And the other woman said, Nay; but the living is my son, and the dead is thy son. And this said, No; but the dead is thy son, and the living is my son. Thus they spake before the king.
    23 Then said the king, The one saith, This is my son that liveth, and thy son is the dead: and the other saith, Nay; but thy son is the dead, and my son is the living.
    24 And the king said, Bring me a sword. And they brought a sword before the king.
    25 And the king said, Divide the living child in two, and give half to the one, and half to the other.
    26 Then spake the woman whose the living child was unto the king, for her bowels yearned upon her son, and she said, O my lord, give her the living child, and in no wise slay it. But the other said, Let it be neither mine nor thine, but divide it.
    27 Then the king answered and said, Give her the living child, and in no wise slay it: she is the mother thereof.
    28 And all Israel heard of the judgment which the king had judged; and they feared the king: for they saw that the wisdom of God was in him, to do judgment.

    (Angus quoted the above scripture to me inferring that he was the “true” parent because he cared for Andrew and Lindi more than I did…this just shows you how manipulative and insensetive he is and will use scripture totally out of context to justify himself.)

    His blatant hypocrisy:

    2 Samuel 12:1 King James Version (KJV)
    12 And the Lord sent Nathan unto David. And he came unto him, and said unto him, There were two men in one city; the one rich, and the other poor.

    2 Samuel 2-12
    2 The rich man had exceeding many flocks and herds:
    3 But the poor man had nothing, save one little ewe lamb, which he had bought and nourished up: and it grew up together with him, and with his children; it did eat of his own meat, and drank of his own cup, and lay in his bosom, and was unto him as a daughter.
    4 And there came a traveller unto the rich man, and he spared to take of his own flock and of his own herd, to dress for the wayfaring man that was come unto him; but took the poor man’s lamb, and dressed it for the man that was come to him.
    5 And David’s anger was greatly kindled against the man; and he said to Nathan, As the Lord liveth, the man that hath done this thing shall surely die:
    6 And he shall restore the lamb fourfold, because he did this thing, and because he had no pity.
    7 And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;
    8 And I gave thee thy master’s house, and thy master’s wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.
    9 Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the Lord, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.
    10 Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife.
    11 Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.
    12 For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.
    13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord. And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.

    (This is a scripture that shows how true repentance heals…Angus and Jill need to admit their sin and seek true repentance).

    Bible Verses About Remarrying After Divorce
    Bible verses related to Remarrying After Divorce from the King James Version (KJV) by Relevance

    Matthew 19:9 – And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

    Matthew 5:32 – But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

    1 Corinthians 7:15 – But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such [cases]: but God hath called us to peace.
    Other verses are;

    Mark 10: 1; Corinthians 7:10-11 – 1; Corinthians 7:39; Matthew 5:31; Matthew 19:6; 1 Corinthians 7:26; 1 Corinthians 7:1-40; Luke 16:18; Deuteronomy 24:1-4; Romans 7:3; Mark 10:11-12; Genesis 2:24; Genesis 2:18; Romans 7:2; Hebrews 13:4; Mark 10:2-12

    My reaction to this is anger and unforgiveness…this is sin too…sin breeds sin too.

    But God’s solution is;

    Anger and Reconciliation:
    Luke 12:57-59
    21Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. 23Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; 24Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. 25Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. 26Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

    However every single effort of forgiveness and reconciliation has been thwarted and rejected.

    If Your Brother Sins Against You

    Matthew 18:15-17
    15 “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and and a tax collector.

  16. Ciara Sutherland says:

    I have seen some footage of this deceiver and liar on Internet, and, ugh, it did not take long for this fake to start screaming in Bloemfontein. Nothing works a crowd up into a frenzy like mindless repetitive music before the time, and shouting. Those who don’t know think that shouting makes a point important. I’ve also heard some of his self-made promises (THAT God “GIVEN” him) about SA, re: that’s going to have a parliament that’s going to start each day with Bible reading and prayer. This guy must have his head read and examined. Does he know anything about politics? No. The church should not and must not control a nation, and the reason is simple: which church? Calvin and his Geneva terror type? The type that does not allow you to wipe yourself on a Sunday or Saturday? The type that puts down women and basically chains them to the kitchen table?
    Why people pay this fool any attention only he and his “team” know. He has caused mountains of pain and misery to many over the years. He is an opportunist, a liar, and worse.

    I am glad there are those who see through him. I saw through him in 2004 already. Arrogant, self-righteous false teacher.

    Nothing good will come from the Bloemfontein circus, as God is Father to His children only. It’s time this guy packs up and leaves to Zambia or wherever he came from and bedazzle and bamboozle them there. They’ll sort him out.

    What a fraud!

  17. Andries Marais says:

    Your heading: “Angus Buchan – It’s Time to Unite All Faiths under Rome”, it utterly, utterly nonsense and totally, totally misleading. I am so, so disgusted. For a website “dedicated” to “Discerning the World”, you must first remove the veil before your own eyes. He was in NOW WAY calling people back to Rome, but you are now pointing finger to fellow Christians! I am not even trying to comment on all the wrong in this article.

    You purposefully and harmfully misinterpreted when he have said about “national salvation.” He believes solely in individual salvation. You have the veil of Roman Catholicism on and cannot see what he clearly meant and what was understand by the people.

    “The nation born in one day” was clearly symbolic. The same term is sometimes use in SA to refer to the referendum in 1994.

    I agree on 2 Chronicles 7:14. In fact, the church is totally unaffected by this verse. But once again, your Roman Catholicism veil, made it impossible for you to see it.

    Everything he said was addressed to individual persons, to christens, not denominations. To say: “from every denomination”, is our South African way of saying: “the Christians of every denomination”. You have insulted the Christians of this country!

  18. Dear Andries

    You said “I am not even trying to comment on all the wrong in this article.”

    Because you can’t. Hence you attack us personally.

    You said “You have the veil of Roman Catholicism on and cannot see what he clearly meant and what was understand by the people.”

    I have the veil Roman Catholicism on? Far from it my friend. You have the veil of the Apostolic Reformation covering your eyes, that is why you can’t clearly see what is actually going on.

    Tell me, what do you believe the words that Angus spoke: “I believe in the Holy Catholic Church” to mean? Does Catholic mean ‘the Christians from every denomination‘?

    You said “To say: “from every denomination”, is our South African way of saying: “the Christians of every denomination”.”

    Nope Andries, that is what you would like to believe but it is not the truth because Angus Buchan says here: “Put your Doctrinal Differences Aside!”

    Andries, as a matter of interest what church do you go too?

  19. Ida says:

    Hi all, thanks for this article,

    Die NG kerk en die Herformde kerk (wat ook deel is van die “Reformasie”) het dieselfde geloofsbeleidenis as die een wat oom Angus graag aflees, met slegs een verskil: in plaas van “holy catholic church” se hulle “heilige algemene christelike kerk”… Die pous en/of oom Angus kan dit moontlik sien as n uitnodiging tot eenheid. Pous is n voorstaander van n “algemene” kerk.

    Think/ . groete

  20. Cornelia says:

    Andries Marais wrote:

    Your heading: “Angus Buchan – It’s Time to Unite All Faiths under Rome”, it utterly, utterly nonsense and totally, totally misleading. I am so, so disgusted. For a website “dedicated” to “Discerning the World”, you must first remove the veil before your own eyes. He was in NOW WAY calling people back to Rome, but you are now pointing finger to fellow Christians! I am not even trying to comment on all the wrong in this article.

    You purposefully and harmfully misinterpreted when he have said about “national salvation.” He believes solely in individual salvation. You have the veil of Roman Catholicism on and cannot see what he clearly meant and what was understand by the people.

    “The nation born in one day” was clearly symbolic. The same term is sometimes use in SA to refer to the referendum in 1994.

    I agree on 2 Chronicles 7:14. In fact, the church is totally unaffected by this verse. But once again, your Roman Catholicism veil, made it impossible for you to see it.

    Everything he said was addressed to individual persons, to christens, not denominations. To say: “from every denomination”, is our South African way of saying: “the Christians of every denomination”. You have insulted the Christians of this country!

    Amen.

    It is because of people like these who wrote this garbage and those who agree with that, that the country is where it is. Stop reading each other’s garbage and start reading your Bible. Obviously they have no knowledge of the Bible. Misquoting Scripture out of context.

  21. Helena says:

    Andries

    The rapport quoted oom Angus saying sic: “Dit is n Jesus-byeenkoms. Kom ons heel Suid-Afrika!

    You being there, what do you think he meant by “ONS”. WHO is included in “ons”?

  22. Dear Cornelia

    You said “who wrote this garbage and those who agree with that, that the country is where it is”

    Really, so now you accuse born again Christians who discern the wickedness of this movement that being Roman Catholic to be the ones who cause crime, violence, malice, corruption etc? Are you serious? Are born again Christians now responsible for how another man thinks? Are we responsible for this? Because we disagree with Angus Buchan’s false Christian movement that is slowly leading everyone back to the Roman Catholic church?

    You said “Misquoting Scripture out of context.”

    Where did we misquote scripture?

    You answer this question too: What do you believe the words that Angus spoke: “I believe in the Holy Catholic Church” to mean? Does Catholic mean ‘the Christians from every denomination‘? as Andries Marais put it.

    You said “Stop reading each other’s garbage and start reading your Bible.”

    Do you read your bible Cornelia, or only listen to “other’s garbage” like what Angus Buchan, Andries Marais and followers have to say?

  23. Either Cornelia is willfully ignorant or she is just plain ignorant. The fact is that Angus Buchan has a vision, and that vision is to encourage all the various denominations to put aside their petty differences (doctrinal issues), as he put it, and to come together as one. He is always so raucously sure that God is going to heal people in their seats without him having to pray or lay his hands on them. Where’s the humility in that? Where’s the “If God is willing?” etc. Where does he get this nonsense from? I can assure you he does NOT GET IT FROM THE BIBLE OR FROM JESUS. A medical doctor (whom I believe should be scrapped) told him that more than 90% of all diseases are psychosomatic in nature. In other words, it is all in the mind. Anyone who loves to don his thinking cap will immediately see that Angus Buchan is accusing Jesus of having healed psychosomatic diseases instead of genuine ones like leprosy etc. He is making a mockery of Jesus. But then again, the Jesus he is worshiping and praying to is not the Jesus of the Bible but another Jesus.

    I always thought Stephan Joubert is the most dangerous man in South Africa. I was wrong. Angus Buchan is because he is encouraging people to follow a different Jesus than the one in the Bible. Buchan’s Jesus is merely a magician who can be manipulated at will to heal psychosomatic diseases at mega “It’s Time” meetings like the one on 22 April 2017.

    In a video I watched recently, Dave Hunt says that rat poison consists of more than 90% nourishing ingredients while only a very small ingredient is poisonous. That’s to fool the rats to think that the poison is NOT poisonous but wholesome nourishing food. Angus Buchan may be preaching repentance toward God, faith in Jesus and so forth but the very core theme of all his messages is physical healing. What does the Bible say?

    Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. (Mat 12:38-40)

  24. Hallo Ida,

    Een van die magskrete in die meeste kerke, insluitende die Roomse Katolieke Kerk deesdae, is dat ons almal ons kleinlike leerstellings eenkant moet gooi en saam moet kom as ‘n eenheid, te WETE EEN LIGGAAM. Dis presiees wat Angus Buchan voorskryf – EENHEID! Waar kry hy sy inspirasie vandaaan om so iets te wil voorskryf? Ek kan jou verseker, Nie VAN DIE JESUS VAN DIE BYBEL NIE. Die Jesus van die Bybel het gesê:

    Moenie dink dat Ek gekom het om vrede op die aarde te bring nie. Ek het nie gekom om vrede te bring nie, maar die swaard. Want Ek het gekom om tweedrag te verwek tussen ‘n man en sy vader, en tussen ‘n dogter en haar moeder, en ‘n skoondogter en haar skoonmoeder. En ‘n mens se huisgenote sal sy vyande wees. Wie vader of moeder bo My liefhet, is My nie waardig nie; en wie seun of dogter bo My liefhet, is My nie waardig nie.
    (Mat 10:34-37)

    Ek wil amper sê dat as jy hierdie dinge nie in jou eie huis en familiekring ervaar nie, is jy of ‘n vals Christen of gladnie ‘n Christen nie. Jesus het pertinent gesê dat hierdie inge met jou SAL GEBEUR. Dit is onafwendbaar as jy bereid is om te staan vir die waarheid. Hulle, jou eie familie en gesin, sal jou haat. Maar nee, dierbare ou Oom Angus wil almal aanmoedig om hande te vat om so ‘n vredevolle en voospoedige Suid-Afrika te skep.

  25. I would like to quote the entire introduction to Dave Hunt’s book, “Overturning the Reformation” here, if I may to show how people have fallen into Satan’s trap to accept Roman Catholicism as a Christian church.

    Overturning the Reformation

    The most significant event in nearly 500 years of church history was revealed as a fait accompli on March 29, 1994. On that day leading American evangelicals and Catholics signed a joint declaration titled “Evangelicals and Catholics Together: The Christian Mission in the 3rd Millennium.” The document, in effect, overturned the Reformation and will unquestionably have far-reaching repercussions throughout the Christian world for years to come.

    This startling development was the culmination of careful planning and negotiations over the previous two years. Each step was continuously monitored and approved by the Vatican. The New York Times release making the announcement, which was carried in newspapers across the country on March 30, said in part:

    They toiled together in the movements against abortion and pornography, and now leading Catholics and evangelicals are asking their flocks for a remarkable leap of faith: to finally accept each other as Christians. In what’s being called a historic declaration, evangelicals including Pat Robertson and Charles Colson [one of the chief originators] joined with conservative Roman Catholic leaders today in upholding the ties of faith that bind the nation’s largest and most politically active religious groups. They urged Catholics and evangelicals… to stop aggressive proselytization of each other’s flocks.

    John White, president of Geneva College and former president of the National Association of Evangelicals, said the statement represents a “triumphalistic moment” in American religious life after centuries of distrust….

    Other evangelical endorsers include the heads of the Home Mission Board and Christian Life Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention [who acted in an independent capacity], the nation’s largest Protestant denomination, and Bill Bright, founder of Campus Crusade for Christ…. Mark Noll of Wheaton University… [Os Guinness, Jesse Miranda (Assemblies of God), Richard Mouw (President, Fuller Theological Seminary), J.I. Packer and Herbert Schlossberg].

    Robert Simonds, Southern California chairman of the National Association of Evangelicals, “applauded the declaration” and said he hoped it would bring “increased cooperation between evangelicals and Catholics….” Other evangelical leaders have since signed the declaration, while still others have denounced it as a betrayal of the Reformation. Ironically, this bold move to “unite Catholics and evangelicals” will divide evangelicals as nothing else could—and as its endorsers must have realized.

    The 25-page document acknowledges, without compromise, some key differences between Catholics and evangelicals (such as the significance of baptism and the authority of Scripture). Unfortunately, the most important difference— what it means to be a Christian—is not mentioned. In fact, that such a difference even exists is denied. This compromise of the gospel lies at the heart of the agreement.

    The key element behind this historic joint declaration is the previously unthinkable admission on the part of leading evangelicals that active participation in the Catholic Church makes one a Christian. If that is indeed the case, then the Reformation was a tragic mistake. The millions who were martyred (during a thousand years before the Reformation and since then to the present time) for rejecting Catholicism as a false gospel have all died in vain. If, however, the Reformers were right, then this new agreement between Catholics and evangelicals could well be the cleverest and deadliest blow struck against the gospel in the entire history of the church. Either way, the consequences are staggering. In praising the joint declaration, one leading evangelical declared:

    (This document] has the potential to recast all the ecumenical discussions that have gone on through the years…. This is a new day. Our closest friends, as evangelicals, in the cultural task and in the fundamental theological task, are Roman Catholics.’

    The theological differences between Catholics and Protestants were once considered to be so great that millions died as martyrs rather than compromise them, and their Catholic executioners were equally convinced of the importance of such differences. How have these differences been dissolved? What has happened to cause leading evangelicals to declare that Catholicism’s gospel, which the Reformers denounced as heretical, is now biblical? That gospel hasn’t changed. Has conviction been compromised to create a huge coalition among conservatives for social and political action?

    Evangelicals would decry the complacent attitude that everyone actively involved in a Protestant church is a Christian. How then did evangelical leaders consent to the view that all active Catholics are Christians and not to be evangelized? The document explains that both Catholics and evangelicals endorse the Apostles’ Creed: that Christ “suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried.” That creed, however, like the Nicean and other creeds, does not express the gospel that saves (Romans 1:16): that “Christ died for our sins (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). Mormons affirm the Apostles’ Creed, but they aren’t biblical Christians. Nor does embracing the Creed make Catholics (or Protestants) Christians. Furthermore, what Catholics mean by Christ dying for their sins is entirely different from an evangelical understanding of this truth, as we shall see in later pages. (Emphasis mine)

    Whereas Roman Catholicism was once the official state religion and the practice of all others was prohibited throughout Latin America and most of Europe, that is no longer the case. Therefore Rome uses other strategies. In some countries, such as France, the Catholic Church is pressuring the government to make it illegal to “proselytize”—exactly what the endorsers of this joint pact have agreed upon. In other places the Catholic Church is demanding that evangelicals sign an agreement similar to the one just signed here in the United States. A recent news report declared:

    Stunned by the staggering growth of evangelical “sects” in Brazil, leaders of the Roman Catholic Church have threatened to launch a “holy war” against Protestants unless they stop leading people from the Catholic fold…. At the 31st National Conference of the Bishops of Brazil… Bishop Sinesio Bohn [called] evangelicals a serious threat to the Vatican’s influence in his country.

    “We will declare a holy war; don’t doubt it,” he announced. “The Catholic Church has a ponderous structure, but when we move, we’ll smash anyone beneath us.”… According to Bohn, an all-out holy war can’t be avoided unless the 13 largest Protestant churches and denominations sign a treaty… [that] would require Protestants to stop all evangelism efforts in Brazil. In exchange, he said. Catholics would agree to stop all persecution directed toward Protestants.2

    The bishop admits that persecution of Protestants is still official policy. The extent of that persecution throughout history (which we will document) would greatly surprise both Catholics and Protestants. It is important to note that the concern at the bishops’ conference was not the truth of the gospel or the salvation of souls, but maintaining the influence of the Vatican and keeping people in the Catholic Church.

    Note too that the very treaty which Bishop Bohn demands under threat in Brazil has been granted in the United States by Colson, Packer, Bright, Robertson, et al! That Bohn’s threats influenced American evangelical leaders is evident from Col-son’s statement in an interview that he and the other signatories to the document had become “distressed by the clashes arising from the growth of evangelical Protestantism in traditionally Catholic Latin America…. “3

    While evangelicals sign a truce, Rome is stepping up its evangelization of Protestants into the Catholic Church. Rome’s “Evangelization 2000” has six evangelism training confer¬ences scheduled just for 1994 across America involving such groups as “Paulist Evangelization Training Institutes” (in Washington D.C. during June 26-30 and July 24-28) and “The Association of Coordinators of Catholic Schools of Evangelization” (during August 3-6, also in Washington). These are serious training sessions for leaders in what they specify as “Catholic evangelism.” Charles Colson was a featured speaker at the “John Paul II and the New Evangelization: Implementing the Vision” conference in Ypsilanti, Michigan, held during May 11-14. He shared the podium with Catholic leaders such as Fr. Tom Forrest, who heads “Evangelization 2000” out of the Vatican.4

    The evangelical leaders who signed the joint declaration apparently imagined a spiritual partnership with Catholics to win the world to Christ. “Evangelism” for evangelicals means leading people to Christ. For Catholics, however, it means bringing people into the Roman Catholic Church—something which the joint agreement neglected to state. Consider the following explanation of “Catholic evangelism” by Fr. Tom Forrest to a group of Catholic charismatics:

    Our job is to make people as richly and as fully Christian as we can make them by bringing them into the Catholic Church. So evangelization is never fully successful, it’s only partial, until the convert is made a member of Christ’s body by being led into the [Catholic] Church.

    Now listen again to the words of [Pope] Paul VI. Now this is a document every one of you should have in your homes… called “On Evangelization in the Modern World.” This is what the Pope says: “The commitment of someone newly evangelized cannot remain abstract (‘Oh, I’m a Christian,’ now that’s too abstract)… it must be given concrete and visible form through entry… into the [Catholic] Church our visible sacrament of salvation.”

    I like saying those words; I’m going to say them again:
    “Our visible sacrament of salvation!” That’s what the Church is, and if that is what the Church is, we have to be evangelizing into the Church!…

    No, you don’t just invite someone to become a Christian, you invite them to become Catholics… Why would this be so important? First of all, there are seven sacraments, and the Catholic Church has all seven…. On our altars we have the body of Christ; we drink the blood of Christ. Jesus is alive on our altars, as offering…. We become one with Christ in the Eucharist….

    As Catholics we have Mary, and that Mom of ours, Queen of Paradise, is praying for us till she sees us in glory.

    As Catholics we have the papacy, a history of popes from Peter to John Paul II… we have the rock upon which Christ did build His Church.

    As Catholics—now I love this one—we have purgatory. Thank God! I’m one of those people who would never get to the Beatific Vision without it. It’s the only way to go….

    So as Catholics… our job is to use this remaining decade evangelizing everyone we can info the Catholic Church, into the body of Christ and into the third millennium of Catholic history.5

    Yet in spite of such clear explanations of Roman Catholic “evangelism,” evangelicals are participating with Catholics in joint evangelistic efforts. For the Catholic, salvation does not come through personally receiving Christ as Savior but is a lengthy process that begins with baptism and thereafter depends upon one’s continued relationship to the Church. Salvation comes through participation in the sacraments, penance, good works, suffering for one’s sins and the sins of others here and/or in purgatory, indulgences to reduce time in purgatory, and almost endless masses and Rosaries said on one’s behalf even after one’s death. Catholic “evangelism” is by works, the very antithesis of “the gospel of the grace of God” (Acts 20:24).

    Nevertheless, many Catholics, when they hear the true biblical gospel of God’s grace, are receiving Christ as personal Savior. Such Catholic Christians eventually struggle with the conflict between Roman Catholicism and what they now realize the Bible teaches—a conflict so marked that the vast majority find it impossible to remain in the Catholic Church. Many Protestants are equally in doubt over the question of what their relationship to Catholics ought to be.

    Confusion now surrounds the issues which were involved at the Reformation. The purpose of this book is to present vital, factual information which throws essential light upon the whole question of Catholic/Protestant relationships. The vast majority of both Catholics and Protestants are ignorant of the pertinent facts. It is our hope and prayer that the following pages will help to clarify the issues and dispel the confusion.

  26. Mike Evans says:

    Here is a comment I made on a forum website (www.raptureforums.com) under the topic heading ‘Apostasy in the Local Church’,followed by a response and a link to an article which reveals how successfully Angus is deceiving what passes for ‘mainstream evangelicalism’:

    “Mike Evans said: ↑
    Angus Buchan got a big crowd in SA but not sure if it was the hoped-for million. He is thick with Rick Joyner. S. Africa was greatly corrupted by early false prophet John G. Lake,who was very into the ‘little gods’ heresy and an alumni of Azusa st. A big influence on people like Hagin,Copeland, Bickle and Johnson.

    And here is how this extreme, heretical movement subtly creeps into mainline Christendom:

    Breaking Christian News reports on this event, noting 1.7 million people registered to attend online (not sure how many actually showed up).

    But no one is wondering about the doctrine behind this man, it’s just a “ra-ra-ra!” piece to make anyone who sees it presume the gospel is spreading when what is actually spreading is a plague of apostasy.

    http://www.breakingchristiannews.com/articles/display_art.html?ID=21206

    Another ‘watchman website’ has just published a letter praising Angus and what has happened in South Africa.The writer then praises Franklin Graham ( an ecumenicist, like his father). Here is the link:
    https://coercioncode.com/2017/04/28/what-god-did-in-south-africa-american-christians-have-missed-his-voice/
    The deception and blindness is truly great. The dominionists would now appear to be the face of so-called ‘protestant Christianity’. They are reportedly the fastest growing ‘Christian’ movement in the world. Angus claims only God could bring together the multitude which turned up last Saturday for his spiritual sideshow (and-by the way- repentance on behalf of others, even those of previous generations, is a key teaching of the New Apostolic Reformation). He forgets that the god of this world has numbers on his side- he deceives nations and keeps the majority of humanity on the wide road which leads to destruction.
    P. S.Thanks for pasting the well-written introduction by Dave Hunt, Tom.

  27. Hi Mike, Thanks for commenting.

    Angus seems so hell-bent on seeing and experiencing so-called miracles that it makes no difference to him how these so-called miracles are brought about. Would he and the mainstream media have been so excited if a single lost soul was saved while kneeling in his or her room and begging for mercy? I know what the angels in heaven do when a single soul is saved.

    Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth. (Luk 15:10)

    Instead, Angus boasts:-

    “Here I stand looking at a miracle. The face I am seeing… It is just a miracle. Today we are making history, because people said it was impossible to organize such a gathering in six weeks. But here we stand today. What a Jesus miracle!” -Angus Buchan

    It’s all about showing people what can be done in the name of Angus Buchan, and then he has the audacity to call it a “Jesus miracle.”

    When I heard Angus Buchan “preach” the very first time some years ago, I warned a few of my Christian friends. They got so angry with me that they turned their backs on me never to speak to me again.

    Who gets the glory for organizing such a huge gathering in six weeks? Well, of course, Angus and his organizers. They were the ones who wrought the miracle.

    Imagine for a moment what Jesus would have said to his disciples if they had organized a Christian rally in Rome and said,

    “We are tired of people (of Rome) taking the law into their own hands. We are going to call upon the Lord to bring justice, peace and hope to our beloved Israel.”

    Instead, they rejoiced when they were counted worthy to suffer for his Name’s sake (Acts 5:41).

    Many people were saved under the preaching of the apostles and yet the violence under Rome did not cease. Multitudes of Christians were slaughtered in the Colosseum in Rome. Many years ago a missionary told me how he overheard a woman who had been suffering a lot under Mugabe’s regime, praying “Thank you, Lord Jesus, for Mugabe and the suffering he is causing in our country because it brings us much closer to you.” I imagine that she would never be welcome in one of Buchan’s huge rallies.

    A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign (miracles, signs, and wonders); and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed. (Mat 16:4)

  28. Tom (Discerning the World) wrote:

    I don’t know whether the preacher in this video is a Calvinist. He mentions John MacArthur and John Piper as being sound preachers. Nevertheless what he says about Angus Buchan is spot-on.

  29. Chris says:

    Tom (Discerning the World) wrote:

    The most disturbing thing about Angus Buchan is that he speaks like a lamb while he’s leading people to the slaughter . . . . in the Roman Catholic slaughter house.

    https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2011/12/20/angus-buchan-and-the-roman-catholic-reconciliation/

    Thankx for the article, Deborah. It reminds us of how South Africans are being led along the garden path, thinking that Oom Angus is a modern-day Moses leading us to a restored promised land.

    Hi Tom/Deborah,did you listen to his prayer where he mentioned that God made a renewed covenant with the people.I was wondering what Angus thought this covenant was.
    Blessings

  30. Chris says:

    You can also check this facebook link. My concern regarding “praise”sang to Angus.

    Regards

  31. Tish Richardson says:

    Only just discovered this website.
    Just a quick discussion point that may or may not open a can of worms.
    I was taught that Israel was the new name that was given to Jacob and not to a piece of land we know as Israel.
    This naming identified his tribe for a particular purpose, the place on the map be called Judea
    not the piece of land we today know as Israel given by the league of nations and populated with Zionists.

  32. Madonna hutstiener says:

    Dear Deb; Thanks you for warning the church about false teachers and Pastors. Please send me lick for Angus Baccan I was taken in by is movie “Faith Let Potatoes”

  33. Barland Johnson says:

    Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
    Act 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

    Angus Buchan has a message that is equally striking and no different from the earliest heretics and liars that spread “another gospel” in the early church. The apostles had to deal with the heresies and strongly refuted the falsehood spread that even caused leading believers to act differently.
    Mr. Buchan does not preach Christ crucified. He does not offer salvation to any attendees but instead preaches a message of works.
    He does not give credit to the Holy Spirit, God the Father and the Son as well as the Living Word, to transform the individual’s life but instead asks fallible men to take on the task of changing South Africa.
    As we are instructed to test all things, I would like all the followers of Angus Buchan and his ministry, to test the results of all his super meetings – include Mighty Men 1, 2, 3 etc and the Last one in Bloem – Mighty Men Reloaded 10.0, as well his meetings in Israel – and see if what he has promised has come to past.
    South Africa has just been downgraded. Racism is on the increase. Crime is on the increase. Corruption and fraud is on the increase and for the Anti-ANC and Anti-Black promoters – in every race group. Crimes against women and Children are on the increase. Child porn arrests are on the increase. Drug abuse is on the increase, and let me clarify it is effecting every “race” group, every class group.
    Christianity is not on the increase, instead paganism is on the increase. We find more and more Sangomas being initiated. More and more African Tradition Churches as being established – The Shembe Church has a following of 7 million members. Mosques are going up everywhere. NG Churches closing their doors and the false churches taking up their spaces.
    I will not go on. The stats are very disturbing. Can Angus not preach repentance. Can’t he call a nation to true repentance where each and every individual is accountable to God, where the fruit of repentance is visible – Jonah 3:7 And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:
    Jon 3:8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.
    Jon 3:9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?
    Jon 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

    I find no precedence in the Bible for the ministry of Angus.
    Men and women will stand before Christ and account for all they did Thank/ in the flesh. They will have no representative to assist them nor will there be any mitigating circumstances. It should stand to reason then that we will test everything and hold up the actions of all men and women who prophecy in the Name of the Lord to the Light of Scripture.
    God Bless the apologists, who expose the liars and who teach righteousness and truth. (Truth is verifiable and can be tested and will always have the same outcome in any situation or location).

    Barland Johnson

  34. Michael says:

    Those who justify Angus are blind to truth…how can you follow anybody who tells lies in proven circumstances on earth let alone spiritual guidance…he’s a hypocrite and needs to repent and put this right first…it’s really scary how blind the church has become…follow no man and only Christ…this is real spiritual warfare.

    Apostasy and false teachings of word of faith and similar alliances worldwide is spiritual warfare that happens in the church even with those most dear and closest to us…Jesus warned us of this…even He had it in His siblings…if Angus is really genuine in his conversion he needs to fix these intimate things in life that mean a lot to God and others and it begins with repentance and away with false and deceptive pride.

    I pray for this…nothing more I would love to see a broken and repentant Angus and Jill set free and begin a ministry of forsaking the sins of the past and fixing relationships on earth and preaching the true gospel of repentance.

  35. Jandre says:

    Christ said; “Follow Me!” Not Follow Angus.

  36. Martin Horan says:

    I left my Catholic schools in the mid 1960s as a Bible illiterate. I was brought up in Protestant Scotland–which may be why I took it for granted that the Bible was the Word of God. Though, even then, in my first dealings with the Bible, I had a superstitious idea that if I kept it under my pillow that would give me peace! Even when I had my first Bible, I still had a Catholic superstitious way of thinking.
    At my schools I was taught nothing of the Reformation either, though it is claimed that the Reformation made Scotland. But, alas, Scotland today has forgotten what gave it liberty from popery. And that was the Bible.
    Yet, when Catholics become Christians they can see that Catholicism is not Christian and former Catholics like Maria Monk, Charles Chiniquy, Michael FitzGerald McCarthy, Alberto Riviera, David Yallop, John Cornwell, &c, have done their best to expose Catholicism. (Forget papal doctrines, the history of the Crusades, Inquisition, involvement with the Nazis, &c, would make one think that history alone would wake people up, showing popery for the vile thing it is. But it doesn’t.) Yet people like Angus Buchan want to pull people back to the Vatican.
    It’s incredible that any person with a knowledge of Scripture can think that the Catholic church is Christian. A person with a knowledge of pagan practices, who isn’t even a Christian, can see where Catholic worship and doctrines come from. It is utterly baffling, then, that Angus Buchan would want anything to do with popery.
    Alas, there are many Bible prophecies that mention the apostasy of the last days. Perhaps Angus Buchan is a clear pointer to that. If so, he himself doesn’t seem to see it.