SDA AMAZING DISCOVERIES at Mosaïek Church

Amazing DiscoveriesUrgent warning about Seventh Day Adventists (SDA) Evengelistic drive 2010 at the Mosaïek Theatre in Randburg from 10 November to 4 December 2010:  AMAZING DISCOVERIES 2010.

The Seventh Day Adventist church currently has adverts on TV (SABC) and Radio (702) regarding a FREE presentation at the Mosaic Theatre on Egypt, Jews and Palestine, the anti-Christ, the universe, etc., and is being promoted as AMAZING DISCOVERIES. They just don’t STATE UPFRONT that this is an evangelistic outreach from the Seventh Day Adventist Church.

Beware of Amazing Discoveries: it is a website of the Seventh Day Adventists and these FREE “presentations” are part of their 2010 Evangelistic Drive by John Carter.

AMAZING DISCOVERIES

Professor Walter J. Veith (from the University of the Western Cape) has been their jewel in their crown for many years. He is seemingly very credible in teaching the Bible, the end times and exposing the Roman Catholic Church. But he is a deceiver because he states that the Roman Catholic Church changed the Sabbath Day from Saturday to Sunday, completely ignoring the Word of God in the book of Acts and how the apostles met on the first day of the week, the day of Jesus’ resurrection.  The Lord Jesus Christ is our Sabbath.

SDA have a gospel of works as well as a false prophetess, Ellen G White. They believe that the doctrine of the Sabbath is still a law by maintaining that because it’s part of the Ten Commandments, those who do NOT keep the Saturday Sabbath are not saved and that during the Tribulation that the Mark of the Beast all those who do not keep the Sabbath.  They have their own bible (Clear Word Bible) which is widely used in SDA churches, which contains serious false teachings concocted by Ellen G White.

“We believe the revelation and inspiration of both the Bible and Ellen White’s writings to be of equal quality. The superintendence of the Holy Spirit was just as careful and thorough in one case as in the other”.  [Emphasis added]  Ministry Magazine, Oct. 1981

The following is from the SDA Sandton website:

2. JOHN CARTER CAMPAIGN 10 November – 4 December 2010

The GRC, a group of lay evangelists from the Gauteng region, are partnering with the Carter Report and Hope Channel to present “Amazing Discoveries 2010”. From 10 November until 4 December, people living in the Johannesburg, South Africa, area can attend this campaign at the Mosaïek Theatre in Randburg. For the FIRST TIME IN SOUTH AFRICA’S HISTORY, they are planning to storm the city with television ads. The presses will soon be rolling off 500,000 colour brochures, and 100,000 homes will receive a beautiful hand addressed invitation. The campaign will be broadcast LIVE from the Mosaïek Theatre via microwave link to Sentech and then to homes and churches on the Ku-band (small dish) satellite system. The TV broadcast will start on Friday night the 12th of November from 20:00 – 21:00 on most nights until the 4th of December. Don’t miss this exciting series.  www.sandtonchurch.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=37&Itemid=68

The Mosaiek church in which the Theatre is located is run by Johan Geyser, Trevor Hudson and Dr Gys du Plessis, with associates Stephan Joubert, Koos van der Merwe, Braam van der Schyff, Theo Geyser and Kola de Klerk. They are linked to the (Mosaïek Church in Los Angeles) run by Erwin McManus and the (Mosaïek Christian Church in Rocklin California) by Frank and Dyan Colacurcio. Other friends include Bill Hybels (Willow Creek Community Church in Chicago) and (Velocity Culture) Ron Martoia and (Woodmen Valley Chapel Colorado) Matt Heard. Stephan Joubert is linked to the Dutch Reformed Church, Moreleta Park Church in Pretoria.

The Mosaïek church is a dark place, filled with New Age teaching, contemplative prayer and other occult practices.

Pastor Gavin Sklar Chik who spoke at the Mosaïek  church in Fairlands not so long ago taught at his Brackendowns Baptists church (in Johannesburg, Alberton) that people “are to breathing out sin and breathing in righteousness”. He still teaches at the Baptist Theological College and he is now known as the Baptist Mystic!

To answer the question regarding the Sabbath:

THIS is the Gospel Truth of the matter:

See complete article here:  Jesus Christ is our Sabbath Rest

1) Jesus Christ kept the Sabbath because HE WAS THE LAW – (Jesus Christ kept the Sabbath because HE, was the Law of the Sabbath.)
2) Jesus Christ
taught the Sabbath by having kept the Sabbath because he was still on earth and Lord of the Sabbath Day on earth.
3) When Jesus was crucified many miraculous things took place, one of these being that Jesus Christ
fulfilled the Law and it was written in our hearts (all 10 commandments)
4) Jesus became our Sabbath
REST in all born again Christians – we do not need to WORK anymore to keep this commandment because the HOLY SPIRIT now abides in each and every born again believer.  

Hence all truly born again believers keep all commandants of God.

See this article on the SDA church: 

SDA Church – Seeking and Finding New Havens of Error and Deceit

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Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

Dan

To be very very honest, this topic is not a discussion about the Sabbath. It’s a warning to all that the FREE presentation at Masaiek Church is run by SDA cult.

There are 100 more things I could list about the SDA church and Ellen G White that are very disturbing. The fact they keep the Sabbath so rigidly is just one of the many false teachings.

7th day Sabbath keeping is ‘false’ teaching? How is that? It’s in the heart of the Law of God. If anything, it’s the truth. What you can’t find anywhere in scripture is a command by God or an example by Christ or the Apostles to keep Sunday Holy.

Tom (Discerning the World)
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dan cristancho wrote,

7th day Sabbath keeping is ‘false’ teaching? How is that? It’s in the heart of the Law of God. If anything, it’s the truth. What you can’t find anywhere in scripture is a command by God or an example by Christ or the Apostles to keep Sunday Holy.

The fact that you make such a fuss about the rigidi keeping of a law to appease God is very disturbing.

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. (Jas 2:10)

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. (Gal 3:24-25)

Guess what? You are still under a schoolmaster and you also want to place everyone else under a schoolmaster. What you need is Jesus Christ and his forgiveness so that you may be saved.

Deborah (Discerning the World)
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Dear dan cristancho

Did you know that Jesus healed a man on a Sabbath day and it was the Pharisees that accosted Him because He broke one of the 10 commandments. See article: https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2013/07/07/jesus-christ-is-our-sabbath-rest/

As Christians we keep all commandments Jesus Christ who abides in us is our Sabbath rest, He is Lord of the Sabbath day and He abides IN us. nod

Alexander
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Alexander

I was an SDA for 20 years until I found out about their ‘hidden beliefs’. I am not here to debate about their faith (at least not here). Instead, I would like to present a few questions and let them answer for themselves. To the non-SDA, you can use this set of questions too.

1. Do you believe that Mrs. White was a true prophetess of God? If she was, you would agree that every word she said were true.
2. If there’s even one statement from her that contradicts the Bible, would you reject her as a true prophetess along with all her texts?
3. Do you believe that Jesus Christ is Michael the archangel? …because Ellen White said so. If you don’t believe she said this, go and check for yourselves.

Here’s the tricky part: SDA believes in EW but they rarely (perhaps never) talk about this (Jesus as Michael). I can say that because I’ve been with them for 20 years (counting from the age of 10) and I felt really cheated when I found out about this. If they really believe in her teachings, they must not hide any part of her text from the knowledge of the regular members. They should include this in their statement of beliefs. If they really believe that Jesus is also called as Michael, they should mention that in their sermons and prayers. I bet most of the members, like me, never knew about this too because most of us never read through her books. We only hear quotes of her texts by church pastors/elders.

I believe there are many good people in SDA and I believe in salvation by faith. I believe in every church, there are people honestly seeking Christ. Of course, I try to follow as many commandments as I can (including the Sabbath – because I think it’s pretty obvious), not because I want to be saved but because the Laws are good and because I love God (“If you love me, keep my commandments). If some people believe that by not having one sacred day is an act of honoring God, who am I to judge them?

It’s good to have a rest day. It’s good to eat more fruits and vegetables (or be vegetarians). Unfortunately, some Christians (not just SDAs) use arguments like these to condemn others as if they have the right to decide on their salvation. Is there anyone of us here can claim we understand the Bible 100%?

May God bless you all. Jesus is my Lord and Saviour. I was a sinner but Jesus offered me forgiveness, peace and happiness that I am no longer a prisoner of sin.

Koko
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Koko

Hello everyone, I thank God for this site. One reason is because some questions or topics that I have never even thought about or done an in depth study on, sometimes pop up on this site. Then I go digging and the Holy Spirit teaches and guides me into all truty. Truty? Sorry truth. Truty is what happens when you are doing a Debs ie typing at 4.27 am instead of sleeping. DEBS REST MORE PLEASE grin . So anyway. Exodus 31:15-18 (Please note: All emphasis mine)
[15]Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
[16]Wherefore THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
[17]It is a SIGN BETWEEN ME AND THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
[18]And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God. Does it get any clearer? The bible has said a.) The children of Israel are to keep the Sabbath b.) It states why ie because God spent 6 days creating heaven and earth and rested on the seventh day. c.) It is a sign between God and them ie between God and Israel. d.) And hence why God incorporated this into the ten commandments written on the tablets of stone guven to Moses (verse 18). So err what exactly are the SDA’s still on about? Which parts of verses 15-18 don’t you understand? Or perhaps you have never seen that scripture. Well now you have seen it and it ought to end all discussion and make you come out of the SDA cult and fast. That said, the one question I have though is with re: the keeping of the Sabbath for the Israelites. Verse 16 says they are “…to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations”. So if someone is an Israelite and is born again, do they need to continue observing this until the end of the world?

Koko
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Koko

Just to add to what I typed earlier. There are two rests in the bible 1.) The first is the true rest that all believers (Jews and Gentiles) enter into when you become born again ie resting/ceasing from our works as a means of obtaining salvation. The book of Hebrews covers this topic 2.) The second is the Sabbath rest included in the ten commandments given to Moses. This as we can see clearly from Exodus 31: 15-18, was incorporated solely for the Jewish nation. It was strictly a sign between them and God. As believers Jesus is our rest. We can also worship on any day we choose. Please note though that all believers are already worshipping God all the time anyway in spirit and in truth. This is by virtue of being indwelt by the Holy Spirit. But we can and do put time aside to pray, study Gods word, worship God etc on any day(s) we so desire. We can also decide to take one day out or any number of days out to rest. Makes sense for health reasons. That’s also why you generally don’t go to work Saturday and Sunday.

Deborah (Discerning the World)
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laugh @ truty.

Thank you Koko, for that excellent explanation. In fact if you don’t mind I would like to add that to my Sabbath article and I shall give you credit.

Tom (Discerning the World)
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Hi Koko,

What is the purpose of the Law, including the Sabbath?

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. (Gal 3:24-25)

Those who again place themselves under a schoolmaster by trying to uphold the Law, including the Sabbath, are actually denying the fact that Jesus Christ has already fulfilled the Law, including the Sabbath (Matthew 5:17-20). What’s the use in trying to keep one Law (the Sabbath) and breaking the rest?

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.(James 2:10)

So anyone, including the Jews, can try and keep the Sabbath until the cows come home, it won’t benefit them one little bit unless they keep all the other laws.

Koko
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Koko

ohno Your absolutely correct Tom. Thank you. What was I thinking when I asked that question. No more typing at 4:27 am for me grin . @Debs, please feel free to use my post in your Sabbath day article. With re: including my alias at the bottom of the article. Don’t worry about doing that. I’m not fussed. So use away smile

Lori Cole
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I think that many people have the wrong impression about SDA’s, thinking that they are keeping the law to get to heaven. It’s the other way around-because of what Jesus has done for us, we desire to love and obey according to His word-such as, “If you love Me, keep My commandments…” John 14:15,21.
I was raised as a Baptist and as a child I wondered why we didn’t go to church on Saturday, because I read the 10 Commandments in Exodus 20 and counted on my fingers to figure out which day was the Sabbath. I asked my mother about it who explained why we worship on Sunday-that Christ rose from the dead on the first day of the week so we honor that day. As an adult, I continued to pray for wisdom according to James 1:5 and I attended a Revelation seminar given by the SDA church. I was determined to search for truth and test all things according to the Bible. (Jer. 29:13,14; Deut. 4:29; Psalm 119:2, 34). And I was amazed at the things that I learned. I was so happy to finally find a church that followed God’s Word. If you want to study to find truth-you must let the Bible interpret itself and become like a child according to Matthew 18:3,4. If you search the Bible to prove your point-you will miss the truth but if you humble yourself, willing to have the Holy Spirit lead you into all truth (John 16:13) and be willing to follow the truth then you will be blessed. (Isaiah 1:18-20). One thing people are forgetting is that God blessed only one day of the week and set it apart for holy use. It was set up at creation before there ever was a Jew. Jesus said that the Sabbath was made for mankind and that He is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:27,28). What you are missing by not keeping the Lord’s Day holy is the blessing! And remember that in Christ we are all Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise (Gal. 3:29), so let’s be kind to each other and maybe we can learn from each other more truths. I love the Lord with all my heart and His law of love is written on my heart (Hebrews 8:10). God bless you all as you search for answers in God’s word.

Deborah (Discerning the World)
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Dear Lori

Please read this article regarding the SDA church – its an heretical church from start to finish.

Tom (Discerning the World)
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Lori Cole,

To which commandments did Jesus refer when He said, “If you love Me, keep my commandments.” (John 14:15, 21). Do you keep all God’s commandments? If you pride yourself in keeping a single commandment and not the rest, you have broken them all and stand condemned before the Lord.

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. (Jas 2:10)

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. (Gal 3:10)

And you dare say you are blessed because you keep one single law and yet you break the rest? One is not blessed because he or she keeps one Law. You are blessed when you are IN CHRIST, the ONE who has fulfilled the Law. (Mat.5:17)

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places IN Christ.(Eph 1:3)

You say you are blessed in keeping the Sabbath and yet you call Jesus a liar by not believing in a literal hell? How does that work for you?

Ray
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Ray

Deborah Said: “A New Covenant

31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them,[a] says the LORD. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Jesus came to FULFILL THE LAW therefore the law will be written in our minds and hearts (by the Holy Spirit) making us children of God.

We do not need to remove any commandment, as a child of God under the New Covenant you have all 10, and Jesus Christ is the Sabbath.

Those who physically take the sabbath day out of the New Covenant, back to the Old Covenant are now going back to THE LAW where YOUR FLESH is WEAK and the bible is clear that if you want to follow 1 OLD Covenant Law then you must follow ALL of them.

So I think you need to do as you suggested and go back to reading your bible – all 66 books.”

A lot seems to agree with her.
But I get confused. If the law is specifically referring to the 10 commandments, and got intends to write it in our hearts, and if Jesus says “A New Covenant

31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them,[a] says the LORD. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Jesus came to FULFILL THE LAW therefore the law will be written in our minds and hearts (by the Holy Spirit) making us children of God.

We do not need to remove any commandment, as a child of God under the New Covenant you have all 10, and Jesus Christ is the Sabbath.

Those who physically take the sabbath day out of the New Covenant, back to the Old Covenant are now going back to THE LAW where YOUR FLESH is WEAK and the bible is clear that if you want to follow 1 OLD Covenant Law then you must follow ALL of them.

So I think you need to do as you suggested and go back to reading your bible – all 66 books.”

And so many agree with her.
What puzzles me though is this: If specifically the 10 commandments is spoken of, and that He gave His word that He will put it in the heart of believers in the new covenant, and if He says “A New Covenant

31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them,[a] says the LORD. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Jesus came to FULFILL THE LAW therefore the law will be written in our minds and hearts (by the Holy Spirit) making us children of God.

We do not need to remove any commandment, as a child of God under the New Covenant you have all 10, and Jesus Christ is the Sabbath.

Those who physically take the sabbath day out of the New Covenant, back to the Old Covenant are now going back to THE LAW where YOUR FLESH is WEAK and the bible is clear that if you want to follow 1 OLD Covenant Law then you must follow ALL of them.

So I think you need to do as you suggested and go back to reading your bible – all 66 books.”

And many agrees with her.
But I get confused with this. If specifically the 10 commandments is referred to, and that God gave His word that He will write them in the hearts of believers, and He also said that “Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matt 5:19), then why is there a resistance to it?

I had to pay for speeding. I paid. Does this mean the speeding law is now obsolete since I paid for it? There is a suggestion, if I read Deborah’s comments right, that, since Jesus paid it all, that I can now steal, tell a lie, or it does not matter much?
Is it possible that our understanding of law and its relation to grace is incorrect?
Is it possible that the understanding of Jesus fulfilling the law is inadequate?

One thing I do know, because I believe my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, i will do what he tells me to do, not on my own strength but His.

Deborah (Discerning the World)
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Dear Ray

You said “I had to pay for speeding. I paid. Does this mean the speeding law is now obsolete since I paid for it? There is a suggestion, if I read Deborah’s comments right, that, since Jesus paid it all, that I can now steal, tell a lie, or it does not matter much?”

No where in this entire article or on this website do I suggest that because of God’s grace we can now willfully sin.

    Romans 5:12 “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned”

When you sin you will pay the price for sinning, whether it be a spiritual price where you give Satan a foot hold into your life, or you get caught by the cops for speeding and now have to pay a hefty speeding ticket, or worse, go to court.

    “For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.” (Ecclesiastes 7:20).

If you live in habitual sin, but consider yourself saved, then one needs to re-evaluate their salvation.

    Hebrews 10:26 “For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,”

BUT the Good News is this, when we sin, we come to Jesus Christ asking for forgiveness and ask Him to help us not sin again. The Holy Spirit who abides in us He convicts us when we sin to come before Jesus Christ and repent…if you don’t want to repent and you want to deliberately rebel, then one needs to re-evaluate their salvation…

    “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”

Please read our Statement of Faith:

You said “Is it possible that our understanding of law and its relation to grace is incorrect?

Nope, it’s your understanding of the law in relation to grace that is incorrect. There is nothing you can do, keeping the Sabbath etc, going to church every week etc, that will save you, only the blood of Jesus Christ and His FINISHED work on the cross can save you.

You said “Is it possible that the understanding of Jesus fulfilling the law is inadequate?”

Nope, Jesus’s fulfilling of the Law is not inadequate, if that was the case that would make His entire sacrifice on the cross for us null and void.

To be without sin is totally impossible, but as believers we should strive to not sin. Sanctification is God’s will for us.

    1 Thessalonians 4:3 “For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:”

The word sanctification is related to the word Saint; both words have to do with holiness. As a believer you are to strive to be holy.

    Romans 6:6 “Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

    Titus 2:11-12 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

So genuine Christians know and maintain that it is God’s Grace alone appropriated through Faith alone in Christ Jesus alone and not works that saves us. Genuine Christians also know that God’s grace is not a license to sin.

Are you a Seventh Day Adventist?

Larry
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Larry

Hennie says: 29 June, 2016 at 9:23 pm
I am amazed to read all these comments, and see people who claim to be Christians, place themselves in God’s position to judge and bad mouth others.

True Christians counter:
SDA’s attribute to the Holy Spirit, Ellen G Whites’s teaching that “Satan has taken full posession of the churches”, excepting her own little disobedient, heretical group. Not only do her actions and teachings blaspheme Him, which is unforgivable sin, but her bad-mouthing others merely highlights your own hypocricy, which is sin, which certifies you as a commandment breaker, which means you are no kind of a sabbath keeper! Commandment violators are also liars and murderers who are unable to keep anything holy, not even sabbath! Satan has deceived SDA’s into idolatry with blasphemy and the joke is really on you.

Hennie says: 29 June, 2016 at 9:23 pm
Surely it is everyone’s own responsibility to seek the truth and listen to God’s Voice and Word.

True Christians counter:
Gods WORD (the Person, Messiah) teaches He came to fulfill the scapegoat of the Leviticus law found in chapter 16. Jesus taught such in Matt 5:17 plus Luke 21:22, that ALL things written had been fulfilled. Nowhere in scripture do we find Satan participating in anyones atonement  (Satan cannot fulfill the scapegoat role), yet SDA’s claim the spirit that lives in them tells them so. SDA’s are inadvertantly showing, through their confused, deceived teachings that Satan is their god and what their spirit has tricked them into believing. Ellen White was an uber-false teacher, and not a single SDA is able to obey the commandment in Matt 7:15-23 to beware false prophets with the result that Jesus orders the SDA’s and Ellen White to get away from Him.

Hennie says: 29 June, 2016 at 9:23 pm
The false prophets, pastors and ministers will be judged and dealt with by God.

True Christians counter:
SDA’s do not think destruction will come to them, even when shown their evil teachings, such as Jesus was capable of sinning. Yes you will be destroyed for this. Jesus taught in John 5:19 that He could ONLY do what the Father does (Holy Father obviously incapable of sin, but the father of SDA very capable of sin, his name is Satan). Obviously, SDA’s have been tricked at this point by the devil and Ellen White. This is an antichrist teaching. Adventism is clearly antichrist, clearly the babylon of Rev 18:4, and will certainly recieve plagues as promised.

Hennie says: 29 June, 2016 at 9:23 pm
To be self appointed judges of people’s relationships with God is probably nothing short of blasphemy

True Christians counter:
Those who Jesus has enabled, understand perfectly well how to judge all SDA teachings and relationships with their newly, 1844-fabricated god, a mere 170 years old. SDA’s do not think Jesus Obeyers can obey His command in John 7:24 to judge righteous judgement. SDA’s are clearly not Jesus obeyers, therefore are unable to obey Him at John 7:24, and are deceived into thinking nobody else can obey either. True Christians also are enabled to know which SDA sins and crimes against the Holy Spirit are to be remitted or retained, which is an extension of judgement. This command is given in John 20:23

SDA’s teach a false christ, which never lived, died, or resurrected, therefore are caught promoting a false gospel. This alone identifies them as being cursed, Galations 1:6-9 and ministers of satan, 2Cor 11:4,13-15. As cursed, unregenerate sinners the have taken up confidently promoting an expired covenant/law.

SDA’s deceive themselves that they are capable of keeping 7th day holy. They pay tithes and sacrificial offerings into their false system, Paul calling it sacrificing to demons, 1Cor 10:20.

Adventism is 100% sin.
Adventism is profane.
Adventism is criminal.
Adventism creates lies.
Adventism is blasphemey.
Adventists “win” souls to a fake 1844 “jesus”
Adventism REFUSES to abide in Jesus’ word.
Adventism is detestable to a Holy, Perfect God.
Adventism is systematized, unregenerate unbelief.
Adventism is a vehicle for blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

Deborah (Discerning the World)
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Thanks Larry hi5

Sue
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Sue

Woe! they really hate us

Sue
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Sue

woe so much hatred. no wonder the dark ages set heretics ablazed

Tom (Discerning the World)
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Sue

No, we do not hate you; We hate your heretical SDA doctrines that will send you to hell if you do not repent and abandon your church. Real love is to warn those who are staggering on a path to hell. Do you want to go to hell? If you don’t, then you’d better start learning what real love is. Here’s an example of real love.

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. (Gal 1:8-9).

Do you get the drift? Paul is saying, “Let hose who lead others astray go to hell, because that’s what they deserve for leading others into deception and false doctrines. Let them go to hell.

sue
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sue

Where’s the lists in the sda doctrine taught that will lead me to hell?

sue
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sue

I am not a church goer but I look for truth every single day. You mean this is false? This is very clear /sound biblically.

Tom (Discerning the World)
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Sue

Yes, it is false. It is another Gospel and cannot save.

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.(Gal 1:8-9)

If you want to keep one Mosaic law (the Sabbath), then you must keep them all, because if you don’t you are cursed.

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. (Gal 3:10).

If you say, Yes, I keep them all, then you are a liar and lying is one of the sins that will send you to hell (John 8:44).

Larry
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sue 25 June, 2018 at 12:53 am
Where’s the lists in the sda doctrine taught that will lead me to hell
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You need a list? So if you only hold to 3 or 4 deadly heresies you are okay and saved? But one must not exceed 10 heresies? giggle

Are you kidding? Ellen White, SDA prophetess, told hundreds of falsehoods that were based on antichrist.

Here’s just one: SDA are certain, along with Ellen White that Jesus could have sinned. This is super antichrist and proves they have zero use for John 5:19 —

John 5:19 New International Version (NIV)
Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do ONLY what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

SDA’s easily show themselves to be false teachers, promoting some idol they concocted, calling it Jesus. They are idolators and liars, and thus they break every single commandment they claim to keep! Liars keep nothing holy, not even a sabbath. They deceive themselves and others that they keep sabbath holy. Their jesus never lived, died, or resurrected. The deny the Jesus as found in His own description of Himself.

For whoever shall keep the whole Law, but shall stumble in one point, he has become guilty of all. James 2.10

Their faith without the good works of STAYING in His teachings is D.E.A.D.

I hope the Father grants you the ability to come to the True Son. John 6.65

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Thanks Larry hi5

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Sue says: 23 June, 2018 at 2:08 pm

woe so much hatred. no wonder the dark ages set heretics ablazed

You just might be bearing false witness, which makes you a commandment breaker. So your claim to keep saturday holy is void. Liars keep nothing holy.

God hates false claims to keeping a day holy so why cant true christians detest SDA lies as well?

Jesus commands His own to beware false prophets, but you and the entire SDA klan find this impossible to obey, regarding a certain Ellen G White.

It is true what Jesus teaches, huh? “Without Me you can do nothing” unhappy

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