John Piper – Oh those ‘Secondary Separation Issues’!

John PiperI’ve been looking for an example in the bible of this thing called ‘Secondary Separation issues’ that John Piper is now actually bulling his followers with.  And I can’t find one.

You see, no where in the bible did Jesus or the disciples socialise with people who they knew were false Christians.  In fact they stayed far away from them because of the DAMAGE these people do.

John Piper fails to understand that he has compromised the gospel of Jesus Christ by hanging with Rick Warren.  This is not a school friendship where they meet every now and then and play board games on Sundays, no, they are Pastors which means that when they meet they will be to speak theology to each other.  Unfortunately Rick Warren has won round one of infiltrating John Piper’s camp.

John in the video is telling us he wants positivity around him (love, humility and unity) and he is tired of being enemies with people.   But it’s not about being enemies, it’s about the GOSPEL TRUTH John Piper!  And how much of it have you compromised?  Well so far you have done well to fall for the cosmic Christ that Rick Warren follows.  I pray you wake up soon before it’s too late.

Watch this video:

And to think I go so much slack for this article, when I was so right on the mark: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/05/26/john-piper-accepting-one-mountain-with-all-the-others/

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Deborah Ellish is the author of the above article. Discerning the World is an internet Christian Ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa. Tom Lessing and Deborah Ellish both own Discerning the World. For more information see the About this Website page below the comments section.

19 Responses

  1. Burning Lamp says:

    Just curious – did Piper complete his “sabbatical”? Maybe he needed to take more time off?

  2. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    BL

    LOL

  3. Hilgard Muller says:

    Did not see this coming, and now he is trying to mislead his followers. Rather sad for all his videos, articles is being removed from my 2 sites. Narrow is the way ………..

  4. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    John Piper Interview: Rick Warren is “Biblical” – “He’s Been Slandered”

    In a Christianity Today interview with popular evangelical teacher John Piper, Piper is questioned for his recent invitation of Rick Warren to his Desiring God conference, which brought criticism to Piper. In the interview, Piper states the following:

    CT: You invited Rick Warren; would you say he exemplifies [your] “thinking”?

    Piper: No, I don’t think he exactly exemplifies what I’m after. But he is biblical. He quoted 50 Scriptures from memory. Unbelievable, his mind is Vesuvius. So I asked him what impact reading Jonathan Edwards had on him. What these authors like Karl Barth and Edwards do for him is give him a surge of theological energy that then comes through his wiring. What I wanted to do with Rick is force him to talk about thinking so pragmatists out there can say, “A lot of thinking goes into what he does.” (emphasis added)

    CT: You received some negative feedback for inviting him.

    Piper: It was real risky. I don’t even know if I did the right thing. If somebody said, “Are you sure you should have invited him?” “No.” I think the first thing I’d say—maybe the only thing—is I think he’s been slandered. I think we probably need to work harder at getting him right. (emphasis added)

    From: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=5083
    ————————

    Rick Warren slandered? Bwwahahaha, now that is funny. John Piper, Rick Warren has never been slandered and don’t ever say you are now too. Pointing out false teaching is NOT slandering. And who has not worked hard at ‘getting him right’? All the thousands of articles and people who have spoken to him trying to show him that he is wrong. But you actually contradict yourself, first you say he is biblical, and then you say we gotta work harder at getting him right? *Coughs and mumbles something under my breath* Is that the excuse you are going to use to keep Rick Warren by your side? Thankfully THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE can see right through you.

    So as we can see folks John Piper has truly fallen for Rick Warren and the New Age Christ. What a disaster. Who is next? I think we might see a domino effect.

  5. SunnyDays says:

    Nice one Piper :)

  6. Andrew Evans says:

    I don’t know enough about Rick Warren to comment on him – he’s not such a big deal here in the UK. But I can’t help feeling that the tone of the article and comments here leans somewhat towards relishing the idea that “we were right all along”. It kind of seems some people on here enjoy others being wring so they can feel superior because “we’ve got the truth.” But tf what I’ve read above is true perhaps the right response is to get on our knees and pray for these people and recognise that we are, in the end, all the same – weak and sinful individuals all prone to error and unbelief.

    Also I think it’s pretty difficult to assert than Rick Warren has “never been slandered.” You think nobody has ever said anything about him that is untrue, unkind and inaccurate? If so he’s pretty unique for a guy in the public eye! That was a cheap and untrue comment designed to make the “Deborah” look right – but the point of truth isn’t to look right – it’s to bring it with compassion to people who need it.

  7. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Andrew

    1. If you don’t know Rick Warren well, then you should not be commenting.
    2. Rick Warren preaches another gospel that is contrary to the Word of God – Rick Warren aims to unite all religions together (Ecumenical)
    3. John Piper a Baptist minister now takes sides with Rick Warren – much to the SHOCK HORROR of his congregation
    4. Pointing out FALSE DOCTRINE is not SLANDERING SOMEONE.

    5. I think you should get your facts straight before you come and comment again.

  8. Burning Lamp says:

    Andrew reveals his lack of discernment and knowledge by his touting on his blog of Mark Driscoll and his Acts 29 site. Also Tim Keller. Clearly Andy has not done his homework and until he does, his comments are not worth considering.

  9. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    John Piper who was out during those 8 months making best friends with Rick Warren who is NOW doing this: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2011/01/12/rick-warren-a-new-age-prescription-for-your-health/ WARNING!!!

  10. Karen says:

    I think the problem here is not John Piper or Rick Warren, but in our need to follow men rather than God. Perhaps John does not weigh his affiliations so carefully because (for him) pursuing, loving, seeking, and taking pleasure in Christ is #1. I don’t get into these debates with people, because I’m trying to point people to Christ, not to Rick or John or Joel or whoever. Yes, heresy should be pointed out, but always in love. I agree with Andrew: these men are not such a big deal. Making a big deal out of Christ is what we should all be about. Including you, Deborah.

    Andrew’s comments are worth considering because what I get from most of you who have commented here is, as he said, an exclusionary, holier-than-thou attitude and an “I was right” mentality that has no place in the Kingdom. Andrew is one of the few who exhibited any love or compassion in his response.

    I don’t agree with everything Piper says or does, but he’s doing far more for the kingdom than I have, so I keep my mouth shut. I don’t commend him or condemn him – I commend Christ and condemn sin. God is the judge of people. Who are you to judge another man’s servant? (Ya’ll need to spend more time in Romans chapter 14!)

  11. Karen says:

    [EDITED by DTW: Sorry Karen, I don’t like it when people tell me to stop judging people while THEY THEMSELVES are judging me. Please don’t comment here again.]

  12. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Karen

    My aren’t you just such a nice person. Since you are JUDGING ME I feel the need to go to the Bible and pull out a whole lot of scripture just for you:

    As Christians We Must Judge Righteously

    As Christians we do not judge a person’s life, i.e., sin, because we are all sinners (Matt 7:1)., we judge righteously according to the Word of God. The Bible commands us to judge fellow Christians teachings and their fruit. Those in the church we are to judge according to the Word of God. Those outside of the church we show them the error of their ways, preach the gospel to them and then leave them in God’s hands. We are also commanded to judge/test their teachings/doctrine to make sure it is correct and that it ties up with scripture.

    There are many verses in the bible where we are told to JUDGE/TEST:

    ———–

    1 Thessalonians 5:21 (Amplified Bible)

    21But test and prove all things [until you can recognize] what is good; [to that] hold fast.

    ———–

    Matthew 7:15-20 (Amplified Bible)

    15Beware of false prophets, who come to you dressed as sheep, but inside they are devouring wolves.

    16You will fully recognize them by their fruits. Do people pick grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles?

    17Even so, every healthy (sound) tree bears good fruit [worthy of admiration], but the sickly (decaying, worthless) tree bears bad (worthless) fruit.

    18A good (healthy) tree cannot bear bad (worthless) fruit, nor can a bad (diseased) tree bear [excellent fruit [worthy of admiration].

    19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and cast into the fire.

    20Therefore, you will fully know them by their fruits.

    ———–

    1 Corinthians 5:12-13 (Amplified Bible)

    12What [business] of mine is it and what right have I to judge outsiders? Is it not those inside [the church] upon whom you are to pass disciplinary judgment [passing censuring sentence on them as the facts require]?

    13God alone sits in judgment on those who are outside. Drive out that wicked one from among you [expel him from your church].

    ———–

    1 Corinthians 14:29 (Amplified Bible)

    29 So let two or three prophets speak [those inspired to preach or teach], while the rest pay attention and weigh and discern what is said.

    ———–

    John 7:24 (Amplified Bible)

    24Be honest in your judgment and do not decide at a glance (superficially and by appearances); but judge fairly and righteously.

    ———–

    Titus 1:9-16 (Amplified Bible)

    9He must hold fast to the sure and trustworthy Word of God as he was taught it, so that he may be able both to give stimulating instruction and encouragement in sound (wholesome) doctrine and to refute and convict those who contradict and oppose it [showing the wayward their error].

    10For there are many disorderly and unruly men who are idle (vain, empty) and misleading talkers and self-deceivers and deceivers of others. [This is true] especially of those of the circumcision party [who have come over from Judaism].

    11Their mouths must be stopped, for they are mentally distressing and subverting whole families by teaching what they ought not to teach, for the purpose of getting base advantage and disreputable gain.

    12One of their [very] number, a prophet of their own, said, Cretans are always liars, hurtful beasts, idle and lazy gluttons.

    13And this account of them is [really] true. Because it is [true], rebuke them sharply [deal sternly, even severely with them], so that they may be sound in the faith and free from error,

    14[And may show their soundness by] ceasing to give attention to Jewish myths and fables or to rules [laid down] by [mere] men who reject and turn their backs on the Truth.

    15To the pure [in heart and conscience] all things are pure, but to the defiled and corrupt and unbelieving nothing is pure; their very minds and consciences are defiled and polluted.

    16They profess to know God [to recognize, perceive, and be acquainted with Him], but deny and disown and renounce Him by what they do; they are detestable and loathsome, unbelieving and disobedient and disloyal and rebellious, and [they are] unfit and worthless for good work (deed or enterprise) of any kind.

    ———–

    1 John 4 (Amplified Bible)

    1BELOVED, DO not put faith in every spirit, but prove (test) the spirits to discover whether they proceed from God; for many false prophets have gone forth into the world.

  13. Michael says:

    False teaching on marriage with covenant spouse by John Piper…
    John Piper is right on about divorce/remarriage except when it comes to the “now whats”. That is where everything he previously teaches becomes unravelled/makes no sense. Are first marriages/covenant marriages binding til death according to God’s Word? Yes. Does Mr. Piper teach this? Kind of. If an adulterous remarriage takes place, he counsels for such couples to remain together. How is that possible when he teaches that NOTHING dissolves the original covenant outside of death—even adultery? He then teaches that the “left” one—the one who has remained unmarried must remain unmarried—they cannot marry another…………yet their covenant spouse is living in adultery with another person and this is ok? How has one partner been freed from the covenant (or allowed to enter into a polygamous marriage), but the other is still bound? I hope and pray Mr. Piper straightens out his flawed doctrine before he leads others down the road of sin thinking they can remain in adultery, continuing to dishonor the original covenant they entered into and it be quite ok with the Lord.

  14. Doug Rhomer says:

    Hmm…On this board, I can’t find a single word of interaction with anything Rick Warren has ever written or said…

    …weird.

  15. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Doug

    Maybe because it’s an article on Jon Piper???

    Secondly, you didn’t look very hard, Articles on Rick Warren

  16. Theresa says:

    Amen, Debrorah! Nuff said!

  17. DiscerninChrist says:

    UPDATE- Piper continues to align himself with false teachers, Christine Caine, Carl Lentz, Crowder and more. Passion Conferences 2013-2016 He stood with false teachers at Lausanne Conference in 2010 at Capetown also. He has practiced mystical lectio divina. He affirms theistic evolution and extraBiblical revelation. He has also been with Tope Koleoso- charismatic- at Jubilee Church in England. This is an issue of FIRST degree separation that he fails to even remotely regard!
    2 John 9-11 says,
    “Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting; for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds.” So. Piper is “participating in their evil deeds”- makes him ‘wicked’ also.

    Then anyone who might align with Piper (oh and also Matt Chandler who has done the exact same thing) would be partaking in not second degree separation, not first, as Piper (Chandler) become “wicked” as the ones they align with.

    Warning!

  18. Chris head says:

    Andrew Evans wrote:

    I don’t know enough about Rick Warren to comment on him – he’s not such a big deal here in the UK. But I can’t help feeling that the tone of the article and comments here leans somewhat towards relishing the idea that “we were right all along”. It kind of seems some people on here enjoy others being wring so they can feel superior because “we’ve got the truth.” But tf what I’ve read above is true perhaps the right response is to get on our knees and pray for these people and recognise that we are, in the end, all the same – weak and sinful individuals all prone to error and unbelief.

    Also I think it’s pretty difficult to assert than Rick Warren has “never been slandered.” You think nobody has ever said anything about him that is untrue, unkind and inaccurate? If so he’s pretty unique for a guy in the public eye! That was a cheap and untrue comment designed to make the “Deborah” look right – but the point of truth isn’t to look right – it’s to bring it with compassion to people who need it.

    Good point

  19. So you and Andrew Evans would have said to Jesus when He warned us to take heed that no one deceive us (Matthew 24:4)

    Jesus, we can’t help feeling that your warning lacks compassion because you never once said that we should pray for false teachers. In fact, we are appalled at you having inspired Paul of Tarsus to include those dastardly horrid words in 1 Galatians 8-9 in your Word. Shame on you, Jesus. I’m sure you know that all the things said about Rick Warren, including his wonderful Chrislam theology, are untrue, unkind and inaccurate. Your warning in Matthew 24:4 is a cheap and untrue comment designed to make “Jesus” look right – but let me remind you, the point of truth isn’t to look right – it’s to bring it with compassion to people who need it.

    OK, wiseguy, tell us how you are going to tell false teachers the following with compassion.

    But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. (Gal 1:8-9)

    Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever. (Jud 1:11-13)

    Maybe you should let them know you are pumped up with compassion by including little hearts and kisses at the end of the above passages from Scripture.

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