John Piper – Oh those ‘Secondary Separation Issues’!

John PiperI’ve been looking for an example in the bible of this thing called ‘Secondary Separation issues’ that John Piper is now actually bulling his followers with.  And I can’t find one.

You see, no where in the bible did Jesus or the disciples socialise with people who they knew were false Christians.  In fact they stayed far away from them because of the DAMAGE these people do.

John Piper fails to understand that he has compromised the gospel of Jesus Christ by hanging with Rick Warren.  This is not a school friendship where they meet every now and then and play board games on Sundays, no, they are Pastors which means that when they meet they will be to speak theology to each other.  Unfortunately Rick Warren has won round one of infiltrating John Piper’s camp.

John in the video is telling us he wants positivity around him (love, humility and unity) and he is tired of being enemies with people.   But it’s not about being enemies, it’s about the GOSPEL TRUTH John Piper!  And how much of it have you compromised?  Well so far you have done well to fall for the cosmic Christ that Rick Warren follows.  I pray you wake up soon before it’s too late.

Watch this video:

And to think I go so much slack for this article, when I was so right on the mark: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/05/26/john-piper-accepting-one-mountain-with-all-the-others/

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Deborah Ellish is the author of the above article. Discerning the World is an internet Christian Ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa. Tom Lessing and Deborah Ellish both own Discerning the World. For more information see the About this Website page below the comments section.

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Burning Lamp

Just curious – did Piper complete his “sabbatical”? Maybe he needed to take more time off?

Hilgard Muller

Did not see this coming, and now he is trying to mislead his followers. Rather sad for all his videos, articles is being removed from my 2 sites. Narrow is the way ………..

SunnyDays

Nice one Piper 🙂

Andrew Evans

I don’t know enough about Rick Warren to comment on him – he’s not such a big deal here in the UK. But I can’t help feeling that the tone of the article and comments here leans somewhat towards relishing the idea that “we were right all along”. It kind of seems some people on here enjoy others being wring so they can feel superior because “we’ve got the truth.” But tf what I’ve read above is true perhaps the right response is to get on our knees and pray for these people and recognise that we are, in the end, all the same – weak and sinful individuals all prone to error and unbelief.

Also I think it’s pretty difficult to assert than Rick Warren has “never been slandered.” You think nobody has ever said anything about him that is untrue, unkind and inaccurate? If so he’s pretty unique for a guy in the public eye! That was a cheap and untrue comment designed to make the “Deborah” look right – but the point of truth isn’t to look right – it’s to bring it with compassion to people who need it.

Burning Lamp

Andrew reveals his lack of discernment and knowledge by his touting on his blog of Mark Driscoll and his Acts 29 site. Also Tim Keller. Clearly Andy has not done his homework and until he does, his comments are not worth considering.

Karen

I think the problem here is not John Piper or Rick Warren, but in our need to follow men rather than God. Perhaps John does not weigh his affiliations so carefully because (for him) pursuing, loving, seeking, and taking pleasure in Christ is #1. I don’t get into these debates with people, because I’m trying to point people to Christ, not to Rick or John or Joel or whoever. Yes, heresy should be pointed out, but always in love. I agree with Andrew: these men are not such a big deal. Making a big deal out of Christ is what we should all be about. Including you, Deborah.

Andrew’s comments are worth considering because what I get from most of you who have commented here is, as he said, an exclusionary, holier-than-thou attitude and an “I was right” mentality that has no place in the Kingdom. Andrew is one of the few who exhibited any love or compassion in his response.

I don’t agree with everything Piper says or does, but he’s doing far more for the kingdom than I have, so I keep my mouth shut. I don’t commend him or condemn him – I commend Christ and condemn sin. God is the judge of people. Who are you to judge another man’s servant? (Ya’ll need to spend more time in Romans chapter 14!)

Karen

[EDITED by DTW: Sorry Karen, I don’t like it when people tell me to stop judging people while THEY THEMSELVES are judging me. Please don’t comment here again.]

Michael

False teaching on marriage with covenant spouse by John Piper…
John Piper is right on about divorce/remarriage except when it comes to the “now whats”. That is where everything he previously teaches becomes unravelled/makes no sense. Are first marriages/covenant marriages binding til death according to God’s Word? Yes. Does Mr. Piper teach this? Kind of. If an adulterous remarriage takes place, he counsels for such couples to remain together. How is that possible when he teaches that NOTHING dissolves the original covenant outside of death—even adultery? He then teaches that the “left” one—the one who has remained unmarried must remain unmarried—they cannot marry another…………yet their covenant spouse is living in adultery with another person and this is ok? How has one partner been freed from the covenant (or allowed to enter into a polygamous marriage), but the other is still bound? I hope and pray Mr. Piper straightens out his flawed doctrine before he leads others down the road of sin thinking they can remain in adultery, continuing to dishonor the original covenant they entered into and it be quite ok with the Lord.

Doug Rhomer

Hmm…On this board, I can’t find a single word of interaction with anything Rick Warren has ever written or said…

…weird.

Theresa

Amen, Debrorah! Nuff said!

DiscerninChrist

UPDATE- Piper continues to align himself with false teachers, Christine Caine, Carl Lentz, Crowder and more. Passion Conferences 2013-2016 He stood with false teachers at Lausanne Conference in 2010 at Capetown also. He has practiced mystical lectio divina. He affirms theistic evolution and extraBiblical revelation. He has also been with Tope Koleoso- charismatic- at Jubilee Church in England. This is an issue of FIRST degree separation that he fails to even remotely regard!
2 John 9-11 says,
“Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting; for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds.” So. Piper is “participating in their evil deeds”- makes him ‘wicked’ also.

Then anyone who might align with Piper (oh and also Matt Chandler who has done the exact same thing) would be partaking in not second degree separation, not first, as Piper (Chandler) become “wicked” as the ones they align with.

Warning!

Chris head

Andrew Evans wrote:

I don’t know enough about Rick Warren to comment on him – he’s not such a big deal here in the UK. But I can’t help feeling that the tone of the article and comments here leans somewhat towards relishing the idea that “we were right all along”. It kind of seems some people on here enjoy others being wring so they can feel superior because “we’ve got the truth.” But tf what I’ve read above is true perhaps the right response is to get on our knees and pray for these people and recognise that we are, in the end, all the same – weak and sinful individuals all prone to error and unbelief.

Also I think it’s pretty difficult to assert than Rick Warren has “never been slandered.” You think nobody has ever said anything about him that is untrue, unkind and inaccurate? If so he’s pretty unique for a guy in the public eye! That was a cheap and untrue comment designed to make the “Deborah” look right – but the point of truth isn’t to look right – it’s to bring it with compassion to people who need it.

Good point

Tom Lessing (Discerning the World)

So you and Andrew Evans would have said to Jesus when He warned us to take heed that no one deceive us (Matthew 24:4)

Jesus, we can’t help feeling that your warning lacks compassion because you never once said that we should pray for false teachers. In fact, we are appalled at you having inspired Paul of Tarsus to include those dastardly horrid words in 1 Galatians 8-9 in your Word. Shame on you, Jesus. I’m sure you know that all the things said about Rick Warren, including his wonderful Chrislam theology, are untrue, unkind and inaccurate. Your warning in Matthew 24:4 is a cheap and untrue comment designed to make “Jesus” look right – but let me remind you, the point of truth isn’t to look right – it’s to bring it with compassion to people who need it.

OK, wiseguy, tell us how you are going to tell false teachers the following with compassion.

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. (Gal 1:8-9)

Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever. (Jud 1:11-13)

Maybe you should let them know you are pumped up with compassion by including little hearts and kisses at the end of the above passages from Scripture.

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