Kim Clement Admits he is a False Prophet

 Kim Clement admits to false prophecyRecently a ‘prophet’ was exposed by DTW as being false – Ivin from 220Generation prophecied on the 20th Jan 2009 saying that God spoke to him through a thunderstorm.  God told Ivin that 5 atrocities have occurred or will occur within the next couple of months and be shown on the news, and will shock South Africa half to death and bring the fear of the Lord back to the people of this country.  These things have not come to pass by a long shot.  http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/07/23/the-fires-of-hell-burn-bright-for-220genergation.

Kim Clement is sitting in the same situation…

 

Kim Clement

It’s the same old song and tap-dance

Scenario: A man claims to be a prophet of God. After being caught in multiple false prophecies, he becomes offended, defensive, and all teary-eye when he receives “negative” feedback from Christians who apply the Biblical tests and expose him as a false prophet.

With a wink and a nod, the false prophet makes excuses, seeks sympathy from his followers, and goes to great lengths to twist Scripture to maintain his self-appointed position and following. He feeds his deep-seated pride and arrogance by rewriting and reinterpreting God’s written word. He leads his followers to a false god. His desire is to be the final authority-without question-despite what God’s word says.

It needs to be restated over and over again: Throughout the Bible, God has ZERO TOLERANCE for false prophets. There is no fellowship between God and false prophets (Deuteronomy chapter 13; Deuteronomy 18:20-22; Jeremiah 14:14; Jeremiah 23:31-32; Ezekiel 13:9; Matthew 7:21-23; 2 Peter 2:1).

False prophets are NOT members of the body of Christ, nor are they brothers and sisters in Christ. Every false prophet will have his or her day of reckoning with God at God’s appointed time (Matthew 7:21-23; Revelation 20:11-15).

Just as one cannot be a thief and a law abiding citizen at the same time, one cannot be a false and true prophet at the same time.

Singing and dancing

Known as the “singing prophet,” Kim Clement is a self-proclaimed prophet of God who sings “new revelations” from God and tap-dances his way around false prophecies at the drop of a hat.

In the following paragraphs from an article titled, “Special Message,” note that Kim Clement’s admission to being a false prophet carries with it a subtle warning to his followers, as well as those who would dare speak a word against him:

I want you to have a good time and I want you to know something, that I am genuinely in love with God. I don’t have to tell you that, but I want you to know that I do. And there will also be critics that will be watching now because you don’t understand prophecy, and I understand that. Half the time I don’t even understand myself.

The Bible says we prophesy in part and when I prophesy, I prophesy what I hear. “Kim, are you ever wrong?” Yes I am.  So, if you’re out there to trick me or trip me up, you are wasting your time because I go to God three times a day and I pray. And if I’ve done something that may have misrepresented him I ask him to forgive me. If you don’t fully understand the prophecies it’s best that you don’t get up and try to pull me to pieces making out that I’m a false prophet. There’s a big difference between a false prophet and a true prophet. Now some of you and a lot of you wrote to me and you blessed me, and I thank you for that, but some of your wrote in with concerns that I said some things on this last broadcast where I prophesied from God which I will not apologize about, but I used some language. [June 24, 2010, http://kimclementvault.com/prophecyread.asp?num=410 , emp. added]

Amazing. Simply amazing. When a false prophet looks his audience in the eye and admits he is a false prophet, the long and winding deceptive train has arrived, belching its poisonous steam down the throats of the innocent.

Decision time

Kim Clement is a prophet of God only because he says he is. He sings an incredibly deceptive siren’s song which, like the Sirens in Greek mythology, he woos and sings to his followers, and becons them to crash their spiritual boats onto the rocky shore of destruction and death.

Kim Clement avoids the Biblical warnings on false prophets in favor of “new revelations from God” and what he claims to hear. But God’s written word judged Clement a false prophet the moment he uttered his first false prophecy. He downplays the very God he claims to worship, and tap-dances around God’s holy and inspired word to his own destruction.

Kim Clement is a false prophet. He is to be avoided at all costs.

And how can Christians recognise a false prophet?

Jesus warned us that “false Christs and false prophets” will come and will attempt to deceive even God’s elect (Matthew 24:23-27; see also 2 Peter 3:3 and Jude 17-18). The best way to guard yourself against falsehood and false teachers is to know the truth. To spot a counterfeit, study the real thing. Any believer who “correctly handles the word of truth” (2 Timothy 2:15) and who makes a careful study of the Bible can identify false doctrine. For example, a believer who has read the activities of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in Matthew 3:16-17 will immediately question any doctrine that denies the Trinity. Therefore, step one is to study the Bible and judge all teaching by what the Scripture says. [ http://www.gotquestions.org/false-teachers.html ]

Take your pick:    Kim Clement or God.

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  1. Burlning Lamp says:

    Yes, many counterfeit “Christs” abound. Not a lot of testing of the spirits is going on, but rather accepting based on experience rather than the truth of the Word of God and not the twisting that goes on. Thanks Michael.

  2. LS says:

    M G wrote:

    Hi ,
    I just would like to point out that you have taken Kim’s words out of context. If you read that whole article from the Den Vault Kim is saying that he makes mistakes, referring to calling the President of the USA a “fool”. He is saying that he used the wrong words to get the message across. It is possible to use the wrong words when prophesying, because the Holy Spirit will never “possess” you, He guides you in the message. Also God says you will know them by their fruits… and as far as I can see Kim has good fruit.
    It’s never wise to criticize a man of God.

    I support your comments….110%….just because a prophet work does not immediately come to pass does not make someone a “false prophet” and he never said he was….I suppose they would have said that Isaiah was a “false prophet” because it was 900years before the fulfillment of the birth of Christ was manifest….

  3. Michael says:

    Yes it really is horrible…the enemy has infiltrated the camp and the only one who can save us is the real Lord Jesus Christ…the need to cling closer to Him now more than ever. I long for His return as I am very lonely…very few genuine believers in my area…churches I have attended are contaminated with false teaching and are very driven by material wealth. Sadly there appears scant fellowship here… I used to attend charismatic churches but was saved in a Methodist Church…the late Joe Boyd. The closest I believe to real bible believering church I once experienced was @ St James Church…Frank Retief…he is a true expounder of the gospel…very sound…but I disagree with his teaching on divorce…but his gospel is direct and soul saving…he is humble and intelligent bible teacher and a man of integrity.
    I miss fellowship but have grown closer to Jesus in the last +/-5 years. I once met members of the Christian Brethren and they seemed sound and very practical and genuine and stuck to the bible.

  4. LS

    Isaiah I am sure said hundreds of things in between the prophecy of Jesus Christ that ALL CAME TRUE. Secondly Isaiah is in the Bible, Kim Clement is NOT. When brings me to my next point; 1) Genuine Prophets ARE ALL recorded in the Bible, 2) the bible states that prophecy would cease after the Bible was written.

    So. I think you need to re-consider your comment.

  5. Michael says:

    Yes…like Fidel Castro was supposed to die in the 90’s and all the homosexuals in the USA will be destroyed by fire in 1995…Benny Hinn.

    There are too many of these charlatans and inaccurate ,nonsensical predictions as well…KC belongs to same gang and they are birds of a feather…prophets that are liars…blatantly…

  6. I’m doing a lovely article on prophets and prophecy. Get this info out once and for all.

  7. Michael says:

    Acts 13..1-4 Yes David there was a need for prophets then…the bible was still being completed. Paul also preached in synagouges and he did much of his preaching on the Jewish sabbath and never on Sunday. We do not see pastors preaching in synagouges today unless they are rabbis and the sabbath is now been chosen as a sunday and not a Saturday but thats off the subject and not relevent here.
    We do not need prophets today…but Satan knows this and sends these deceptive,soothsayers to come and deceive the trusting gullible masses.

  8. heber says:

    Michael wrote:

    l is dire

    Michael I grew up in Christian Brethren and more biblical expounding than that is hard to find.I fell
    by the wayside, but the Lord pulled me back.I was attending with my wife a three years back Revival Worship Centre pastored by Jaques vd Westhuizen and I almost choked the times I was there.30 min or more worshipsinging,30 min explaining why people must “tithe”,10 min offering 15 min preaching on criticism of pastors,15 min offering…
    I went there to please my wife I admit,also the kids like the music.
    But I left and my wife stayed until God answered my prayers and she stopped going.
    I advise you to find a gathering place with like-minded believers
    Yours in Christ

  9. Michael says:

    Heber…I have no intention in getting close to any particular grouping…in all humility I can say I’m very discerning and street-wise now and know when the Holy Spirit is speaking. I suppose with Christian Brethren each fellowship will differ…my experience with an old Christian Brethren man was very positive…he was a missionary (Albert Nocke) and served in the Congo and Zambia a long time ago. He was a very kind, strong and gentle man that loved the Lord…he was so different than what you see today.
    But the danger is always looking to men,churches,denominations etc…this will always lead to error…It must always be ONLY Jesus…the author and finisher of the saving faith.

  10. Burning Lamp says:

    I don’t know of a single denomination or fellowship of churches that has not been infiltrated with leaven at this point in time. Of course there are some that are more solid than others, but one cannot put one’s confidence in any movement or man. They must be measured by the standards of the Word.

    Many Christians leaders who were formerly solid and trustworthy in their teaching have become corrupted and teach truth mixed with error. Sad, but a sign of the times. Too many Christians cling to a man or a movement in loyalty and downright idolization. We must keep our eyes on the Lord Jesus Christ, the Author and Finisher of our faith. He and He alone is beyond reproach.

    Don’t get me wrong, there are still those who hold fast to the truth, but they are in the minority. They need to be encouraged to keep on as it is unpopular and difficult to maintain a ministry these days while teaching unvarnished truth. Most want their ears tickled.

  11. Michael says:

    It seems that you are right BL…Billy Graham was once a different man …years ago he was a tough “fire and brimstone” preacher that made no bones about how to get saved…now it appears that he has different views. Although I now disagree with the charismatic teaching I can honestly say there was a time when certain charismatic (then referred as pentecostals) there were men that preached the accurate gospel of the cross and men and women were saved…I think of the late John Bond…head of the AOG in Southern Africa.Most charismatics and some Methodists,Anglicans and Baptists have been corrupted by the WOF and Dominionists. A denomination that has not however been infected is CESA (Church of England in SA…a break-away many years ago from the Anglicans…in fact believers in these fellowships are strongly opposed.
    The churches today are in dire straits and Satan’s war is right in the middle of the camp and that is why this blog is so worthy as Debs has had the courage to tell the truth.

  12. Samuel says:

    Michael, you are causing division. Whether you believe him or not. Get a grip, what happened to not arguing?

  13. Michael says:

    Michael, you are causing division. Whether you believe him or not. Get a grip, what happened to not arguing?

    Samuel…please respond with sense…but yes, sorting out the sheep from the goats and if this offends you you have a problem my friend and need to come to grips with the real Jesus and get properly saved.Kim Clement is on the other side of the track mate and sprouts untruths and nonsensical inaccuracies just like that jester Hinn. A man either has integrity or he does not.

  14. GMA says:

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    David
    >>for those who dont believe there are no more prophets they need to read ephesians chapter 4 and acts 13:1-4 seriously people read your bible before you speak.God has a five fold not a one fold calling in ministry.
    No serious, you need to read yours. Prophets and Apostles ended with Jesus. All prophets pointed to Jesus Christ, all Apostles where physically appointed by Jesus. Today we only have teachers and preachers. As Christians we have the HOLY SPIRIT who guides us into all truth.

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    LS
    Isaiah I am sure said hundreds of things in between the prophecy of Jesus Christ that ALL CAME TRUE. Secondly Isaiah is in the Bible, Kim Clement is NOT. When brings me to my next point; 1) Genuine Prophets ARE ALL recorded in the Bible, 2) the bible states that prophecy would cease after the Bible was written.
    So. I think you need to re-consider your comment.

    Isnt there the mention of prophetess in Acts? This would certainly be after Jesus?

  15. GMA says:

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    LS
    Isaiah I am sure said hundreds of things in between the prophecy of Jesus Christ that ALL CAME TRUE. Secondly Isaiah is in the Bible, Kim Clement is NOT. When brings me to my next point; 1) Genuine Prophets ARE ALL recorded in the Bible, 2) the bible states that prophecy would cease after the Bible was written.
    So. I think you need to re-consider your comment.

    Pls provide reference txt for point #2. thank you!

  16. GMA

    Yes… now pay attention… and read this carefully.

    Are Prophets for Today or has Prophecy Ceased?

    No, there are no prophets today because genuine Prophets are mentioned in the Bible – they were the foundations of the church and secondly the gift of prophecy has ceased.

    The office of Prophet and Apostle was temporary…

    and only necessary for the church before the completion of the Bible. The actual foundation of the church was built UPON the Prophets and Apostles (with Jesus Christ being the chief cornerstone).

    Ephesians 2:19-22

    19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,20 having been built ON THE FOUNDATION of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

    The role of the prophet in the Old Testament was to foretell the future and truths about God and the coming of His Son Jesus Christ.

    Jesus Christ was the LAST and GREATEST Prophet

    Hebrews 1:1-2

    1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;

    The gift of prophecy has ceased.

    1 Corinthians 13 (Amp)

    8 Love never fails [never fades out or becomes obsolete or comes to an end]. As for prophecy (the gift of interpreting the divine will and purpose), it will be fulfilled and pass away; as for tongues, they will be destroyed and cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away [it will lose its value and be superseded by truth].
    9 For our knowledge is fragmentary (incomplete and imperfect), and our prophecy (our teaching) is fragmentary (incomplete and imperfect).
    10 But when the complete and perfect (total) comes, the incomplete and imperfect will vanish away (become antiquated, void, and superseded)

    The ‘perfect’ spoken about in verse 10 above is the Bible itself. Here we are told that when the Bible would be written and complete, prophecy would no longer be needed, neither would tongues for that matter as the Bible is Perfect in every way and the church will use the Bible instead because it contains all the prophecy you need.

    But someone might say,” but what about 1 Corinthians 14:3 where it speaks about prophesying.

    Well let me explain.

    1 Corinthians 14:3 (AMP)

    3 But [on the other hand], the one who prophesies [who interprets the divine will and purpose in inspired preaching and teaching] speaks to men for their upbuilding and constructive spiritual progress and encouragement and consolation.

    This is not prophecy spoken by a Prophet my dear readers, this is the gift of inspired preaching and teaching that results in edification, exhortation, and encouragement. This is FORTH TELLING of the truth of the Word of God, not FORETELLING the future.

    Once again do you see how just the smallest twisting of scripture can create an entire false religion and lead millions upon millions of people astray.

    Today we have millions of false prophets running around telling churches that they have ‘heard from the Lord, this’, or ‘God has told them, that” but they speak from their own imaginations.

    Jeremiah 23:16

    16 Thus says the LORD of hosts: “ Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you. They make you worthless; They speak a vision of their own heart, Not from the mouth of the LORD.

    Jeremiah 14:14

    14 And the LORD said to me, “The prophets prophesy lies in My name. I have not sent them, commanded them, nor spoken to them; they prophesy to you a false vision, divination, a worthless thing, and the deceit of their heart.

    Sometimes some of these false prophets prophecies come true, but it’s not due to the fact that they are Godly men or woman, oh no! Many of these prophets dabble in occultism and Satan can make things go his way that they correspond with the said prophecy. In fact you find prophets in all religions. Satan is also not stupid, his intelligence far exceeds mans and he knows how to play mankind and get them right where he wants them. A so called prophet within todays ‘Christian’ circles is non other than a soothsayer and they are an abomination unto the Lord.

    Deuteronomy 18:9-13

    9 “When you come into the land which the LORD your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations.10 There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, 11 or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. 12 For all who do these things are an abomination to the LORD, and because of these abominations the LORD your God drives them out from before you. 13 You shall be blameless before the LORD your God.

  17. josh says:

    Beware of false prophets but also beware of saying the power of God is the power of the dark side!very dangerous and sounds like the ones Jesus said had spoke against the holy spirit!
    he said their was no forgiveness!!

  18. josh

    wake up and smell the coffee…

    tell me, how do you know what is truth vs error Josh? give me an example of a false prophet?

  19. Michael says:

    The misunderstanding about doctrine comes down to the new birth…the new birth is salvation.The new birth is dying to the self (Paul refers it to the “old man”).All scripture has the final goal to lead sinful man to salvation. Scripture has been perverted in the new generation churches to centre on man…self improvement,positive thinking,the exaltation of man…pride in all it’s deceptive forms…even delusions and those who are so self-centred that they think they have a mission to change and add to the COMPLETION and FULFILLMENT of the documented and recorded Word of God. Self proclaimed mystic prophets today are deluded by evil spirits and self-esteem and egotists and megalomaniacs.
    Even John the Baptist (who Jesus Himself proclaimed…was the greatest born of woman) said…John 3,30…He must increase, but I must decrease.

  20. Michael says:

    Sorry I wanted to add…It is all about the Messiah…the Lord Jesus Christ…only Him alone…there is salvation in Him alone and what He did at Calvary…NOTHING…I repeat NOTHING else will do. It’s all about Him…Christ-centredness.All else…additions…mystic visions…changes…sensations…phenomena (qualia…experiences and opinions are subjective and insignificant as well as opening the door to error and delusion.
    People, the bible is complete, Christ has come and fulfilled His mission and is coming back again, I hope soon, and all scripture is complete in itself.
    Rev 22:18-19…”For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.”
    Deut 4:2…Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.”

  21. Michael says:

    I also wanted to add…there will be those who will argue…”it’s all about interpretation”. No mate…it really is not. It is all about Jesus. The only thing that has to change is you and me. You have to get rid of this horrible sinful self (and that includes me) get down on your knees and repent and ask Jesus’s forgiveness. Once done you sincerely thank Him and ask Him to give you the strength to live for Him and do those things that please Him and The Comforter will help you.
    Goodbye old man, welcome new,goodbye self,welcome Christ living in me.

  22. Joseph says:

    [DELETED by DTW: I don’t like to be threatened Joseph – Go play ball elsewhere. Before that you can read up on all the articles under the following category:

  23. True Believer says:

    Deborah,
    You are in error. Let me share with you.

    Ephesians 4:7-16

    7) But unto everyone of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
    8) Wherefore he said, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
    9) (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
    10) He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
    11) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
    12) For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
    13) Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:
    14) That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
    15) But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head even Christ:
    16) From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth , according to the effectual working in the measure of every part , maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

    In the new testament we are under a new covenant with God, we are under “Grace” & no longer under the “Law”
    The old Testament was the law & the things the prophets like Jeremiah & Ezekiel were saying were things God told them to say to a SPECIFIC group of people.
    Regarding this debate (there are no more prophets after Jesus) the things these old testament prophets said would not apply.

    You know, Christianity is a way of life & this way of life is a life of serving others in love as Jesus did.
    That said, I feel compelled to share this scripture with you.

    2 Timothy 2:23,24

    23) But foolish and unlearned questions avoid knowing that they do gender stifes.
    24) And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient.

    In addition, we are all at different levels/stages of spirituality and what interpretation one may have of a particular scripture or group of scriptures, another may not have or vice versa.

    Here is something God thought was so important to know that he allowed it to be said twice.

    In 1 Chronicles 16: 22
    A little history; verses 4 & 7) King David delivered a Psalm to thank the Lord into the hands of Asaph & his brethren (Levites he (David) had appointed to minister before the Ark of God & to thank and praise God)
    In the Psalm (Verses 21 & 22) David said (talking about how the Lord cared for the people) :
    He (God) suffered no man to do them wrong (He allowed no man to do them wrong): yea he reproved kings for their sakes.
    (reprove =rebuke/express sharp disapproval/ criticism)

    Saying, (meaning God himself said) Touch not mine annointed, and do my prophets no harm.

    Psalm 105 is a repetition of this Psalm that King David wrote and delivered to his brethren.

    Here are a few more scriptures I felt compelled to share with you.

    Proverbs 18:21

    Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

    This scripture can be interpreted to mean that a person has the power to speak life or death into their life and circumstances, and whatever they speak, (implies repetition) they love and they will eat the fruit of whatever they constantly speak, be it death or life.

    But it also can be interpreted to mean that a person or persons can speak life or death into another person’s life as well.
    If they speak death (negative, evil words, curses etc. ) they are speaking death into anothers life and if speaking death, can be found to be a murderer, and we know

    in I John 3:15 b it states:

    and ye (you) know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

    To bring this a step further Jesus says in St Mathew 12:33-37

    Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
    O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things?
    for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
    A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
    But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
    For by thy words thou shalt be justified , and by thy words thou shalt be
    condemned.

    Proverbs 15:4
    A wholesome tongue is a tree of life.

    There is so much more I could share with you but time & space do not permit me.
    However, It is my sincere prayer that you would read these with an open heart & let the Lord speak to your heart to give you understanding. And it is my hope that you be blessed.

    Proverbs 4:7
    Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom, and with all thy getting get understanding.
    (principal = first in order or importance, main )
    God’s understanding is infinite, ( Psalms 147:5 ) so you can ask him for understanding all the time, and he will give it.

    St Mathew 7:7 Ask and is SHALL be given you; seek & ye SHALL find, knock and it SHALL be opened unto you.

    II Corinthians 1: 20
    For all the promises of God in him are yea and in him amen unto the glory of God by us.

    Be Blessed in Jesus name.

  24. DOD says:

    Deborah,

    You are wrong to say that miracles don’t happen today. I personally have prayed to the Lord for healing of the sick, and they’ve been made whole.
    I’ve personally heard the Lord’s voice, though I wouldn’t tell you what He said. I have no message to share. One of my beloved brothers in Christ heard the Lord’s voice just recently.
    You are wrong to say that aposltes no longer exist. Yes indeed the original apostles have passed. But what are the signs of an apostle? Miracles, wonders, miraculous signs. I have at least one good friend who has displayed these things through the Lord on a regular basis.
    Though, listen. He doesn’t teach any new, strange ideas…only this: Christ loves and saves those who call upon Him.
    But this is a pointless discussion. What have christians been called to today? It is to show Love, one to another. I suggest (for myself also) that unless we love eachother as we share our opinions, we contradict the most important tenant of Jesus’ message, and are therefore unworthy to be heard anyway.
    If we can’t fulfill that basic requirement we are nothing more than resounding gongs.
    Once love captures our hearts, we will see many miracles. Denominations don’t matter; past mistakes don’t matter: what matters is our love for Jesus right now.
    For example; I saw a miracle yesterday when praying for an agnostic. It was AMAZING! :))
    Now, I could make the claim that I’m an apostle. BUT I AM NOT. I’m just an incredibly messed up sinner who loves Jesus.

  25. DOD

    Where did I say miracles don’t happen today?

  26. David says:

    who are you to say that someone is or is not a man of God? It says in the Bible touch not mine anointed. Not sure about you but i would not want to be the one to call one of Gods anointed false.

  27. Mark Knight says:

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    josh
    wake up and smell the coffee…
    tell me, how do you know what is truth vs error Josh? give me an example of a false prophet?

    A false prophet will cringe at the name of Jesus Christ, if you ask the prophet if he comes in the name of Jesus Christ, and gives you any other answer , he /she is a false prophet, A false prophet is some one who claims to be a prophet and is not.

    If there works arn’t in the name of Jesus Christ, well then they are False.

    21 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD ?” 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.

    Jeremiah 14:14
    Then the LORD said to me, “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.

    Jeremiah 23:16
    This is what the LORD Almighty says: “Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD.

    Lamentations 2:14
    The visions of your prophets were false and worthless; they did not expose your sin to ward off your captivity. The oracles they gave you were false and misleading

  28. Mark Knight

    >> A false prophet will cringe at the name of Jesus Christ, if you ask the prophet if he comes in the name of Jesus Christ, and gives you any other answer , he /she is a false prophet, A false prophet is some one who claims to be a prophet and is not.

    Errrrr, what? You kidding, right? You do know that there are millions of people who will use and abuse the name of Jesus Christ every single day for their own PERSONAL GAIN – false teachers, false preachers, false prophets – and what will happen to these people one day….

    Matthew 7:21-23

    21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

  29. sylesa says:

    “prophetess” Donna,
    Are you attempting to negate the scriptures? It appears that you are confusing Gods threatenings, which were CONDITIONAL , and something that has been decreed by God , which is NOT conditional, and will always come to pass.

    But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or

    that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
    Deu 18:21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
    Deu 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is

    the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be

    afraid of him. If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
    Deu 13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other

    gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
    Deu 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your

    God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
    Deu 13:4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice,

    and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
    Deu 13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn

    you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house

    of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put

    the evil away from the midst of thee.
    Deu 13:6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy

    friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou

    hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
    Deu 13:7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee,

    from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
    Deu 13:8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither

    shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
    Deu 13:9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and

    afterwards the hand of all the people.
    Deu 13:10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from

    the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
    Deu 13:11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you

    Prophets proclaim what God has said, and since He has already said it, they now proclaim His Written Word, they DO NOT ADD TO IT! THE CANON IS CLOSED!

  30. Michael says:

    Debs says and I know this to be true…false christians blabber their own gospel…name it and claim it, speak actions and faith into existence, this is a huge insult for the Son of God that humiliated Himself into a human shell and suffered on the cross because He loved us and wanted to save us from our sins and iniquities…please Jesus come quickly soon and save us from false brethren.

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