Kim Clement Admits he is a False Prophet
Recently a ‘prophet’ was exposed by DTW as being false – Ivin from 220Generation prophecied on the 20th Jan 2009 saying that God spoke to him through a thunderstorm. God told Ivin that 5 atrocities have occurred or will occur within the next couple of months and be shown on the news, and will shock South Africa half to death and bring the fear of the Lord back to the people of this country. These things have not come to pass by a long shot. http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/07/23/the-fires-of-hell-burn-bright-for-220genergation.
Kim Clement is sitting in the same situation…
It’s the same old song and tap-dance
Scenario: A man claims to be a prophet of God. After being caught in multiple false prophecies, he becomes offended, defensive, and all teary-eye when he receives “negative” feedback from Christians who apply the Biblical tests and expose him as a false prophet.
With a wink and a nod, the false prophet makes excuses, seeks sympathy from his followers, and goes to great lengths to twist Scripture to maintain his self-appointed position and following. He feeds his deep-seated pride and arrogance by rewriting and reinterpreting God’s written word. He leads his followers to a false god. His desire is to be the final authority-without question-despite what God’s word says.
It needs to be restated over and over again: Throughout the Bible, God has ZERO TOLERANCE for false prophets. There is no fellowship between God and false prophets (Deuteronomy chapter 13; Deuteronomy 18:20-22; Jeremiah 14:14; Jeremiah 23:31-32; Ezekiel 13:9; Matthew 7:21-23; 2 Peter 2:1).
False prophets are NOT members of the body of Christ, nor are they brothers and sisters in Christ. Every false prophet will have his or her day of reckoning with God at God’s appointed time (Matthew 7:21-23; Revelation 20:11-15).
Just as one cannot be a thief and a law abiding citizen at the same time, one cannot be a false and true prophet at the same time.
Singing and dancing
Known as the “singing prophet,” Kim Clement is a self-proclaimed prophet of God who sings “new revelations” from God and tap-dances his way around false prophecies at the drop of a hat.
In the following paragraphs from an article titled, “Special Message,” note that Kim Clement’s admission to being a false prophet carries with it a subtle warning to his followers, as well as those who would dare speak a word against him:
I want you to have a good time and I want you to know something, that I am genuinely in love with God. I don’t have to tell you that, but I want you to know that I do. And there will also be critics that will be watching now because you don’t understand prophecy, and I understand that. Half the time I don’t even understand myself.
The Bible says we prophesy in part and when I prophesy, I prophesy what I hear. “Kim, are you ever wrong?” Yes I am. So, if you’re out there to trick me or trip me up, you are wasting your time because I go to God three times a day and I pray. And if I’ve done something that may have misrepresented him I ask him to forgive me. If you don’t fully understand the prophecies it’s best that you don’t get up and try to pull me to pieces making out that I’m a false prophet. There’s a big difference between a false prophet and a true prophet. Now some of you and a lot of you wrote to me and you blessed me, and I thank you for that, but some of your wrote in with concerns that I said some things on this last broadcast where I prophesied from God which I will not apologize about, but I used some language. [June 24, 2010, http://kimclementvault.com/prophecyread.asp?num=410 , emp. added]
Amazing. Simply amazing. When a false prophet looks his audience in the eye and admits he is a false prophet, the long and winding deceptive train has arrived, belching its poisonous steam down the throats of the innocent.
Decision time
Kim Clement is a prophet of God only because he says he is. He sings an incredibly deceptive siren’s song which, like the Sirens in Greek mythology, he woos and sings to his followers, and becons them to crash their spiritual boats onto the rocky shore of destruction and death.
Kim Clement avoids the Biblical warnings on false prophets in favor of “new revelations from God” and what he claims to hear. But God’s written word judged Clement a false prophet the moment he uttered his first false prophecy. He downplays the very God he claims to worship, and tap-dances around God’s holy and inspired word to his own destruction.
Kim Clement is a false prophet. He is to be avoided at all costs.
And how can Christians recognise a false prophet?
Jesus warned us that “false Christs and false prophets” will come and will attempt to deceive even God’s elect (Matthew 24:23-27; see also 2 Peter 3:3 and Jude 17-18). The best way to guard yourself against falsehood and false teachers is to know the truth. To spot a counterfeit, study the real thing. Any believer who “correctly handles the word of truth” (2 Timothy 2:15) and who makes a careful study of the Bible can identify false doctrine. For example, a believer who has read the activities of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in Matthew 3:16-17 will immediately question any doctrine that denies the Trinity. Therefore, step one is to study the Bible and judge all teaching by what the Scripture says. [ http://www.gotquestions.org/false-teachers.html ]
Take your pick: Kim Clement or God.
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Please read this article: False Prophet Kim Clement – A Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing
This article examines Kim Clements teaching in-depth, and lists all this failed prophecies to date.
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True words indeed.
Hi ,
I just would like to point out that you have taken Kim’s words out of context. If you read that whole article from the Den Vault Kim is saying that he makes mistakes, referring to calling the President of the USA a “fool”. He is saying that he used the wrong words to get the message across. It is possible to use the wrong words when prophesying, because the Holy Spirit will never “possess” you, He guides you in the message. Also God says you will know them by their fruits… and as far as I can see Kim has good fruit.
It’s never wise to criticize a man of God.
MG
No, Kim Clement is 100% FALSE PROPHET and if he lived in the OT he would have been stoned. Luckily for him he lives in the 21st century where he can swindle people like you.
Dear brother in Jesus,
God says, “I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times. what is still to come!…What I have said, that will I bring about; what I have planned that will I do!” Isaiah 46:10a, 11b This Bible study compares all the Scripture on each End-time topic and exposes over 12 absolute contradictions of God’s Word by dangerous and deceptive pre-trib doctrines. The next Bible study shows the 7 Bible clues which positively reveals the identity of 666. And finally there is a Bible study which shows how Obama may qualify to be the very deceptive False Prophet of 666.
Would greatly appreciate any comments or Bible studies you may have on the Last Days.
Your eternal friend in Jesus,
Richard
WHAT IS THE FIRST END TIME EVENT CHRISTIANS SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR??
[EDITED – I have removed the second on trying to debunk the rapture – it’s TOTALLY incorrect. You need to have a correct dispensational view to understand the rapture. I have many articles on this matter:
http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/01/06/the-rapture-an-article-to-knock-your-socks-off/
PLEASE read ALL the comments as well under each of the articles as all questions that could possibly ever be asked have been answered fully on this matter.]
WHO WILL BE GOD’S TWO WITNESSES {REV 11:3} OR MEN {REV 11:6} OR PROPHETS {REV 11:10}??
Zechariah 4:11,14: “Then I asked the angel, ‘What are these *TWO* OLIVE TREES {See Rev 11:4 below} on the right and left of the lamp stand?’… the angel said, ‘These are the TWO who are anointed to serve the Lord of the earth!'” Rev 11:3-6: {God said to John} “I will give power to My *TWO* witnesses and they will prophesy for 1260 days clothed in sackcloth! These are the *TWO OLIVE TREES {See Zech 4:11,14 above} and the 2 lamp stands that stand before the Lord of the earth. If anyone tries to harm them, fire will come from their mouths to destroy their enemies. This is how anyone who tries to harm them must die {See 2 Kings 1:9-12; Num 16:31-35}. These *MEN* will have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying {See 1 Kings 17:1; Luke 4:25; James 5:17}; and they will have power to turn the waters into blood {See Exodus 7:15-23} and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they wish.” Moses and Elijah witnessed to 3 Apostles on the mount of Transfiguration when Moses & Elijah spoke to Jesus about his departure or Ascension, which Jesus was to bring to fulfillment in Jerusalem 40 days after His resurrection. Luke 9:30,31: “TWO MEN Moses and Elijah, appeared in GLORIOUS SPLENDOR talking with Jesus. They spoke about His Departure {Or Ascension} which He was about to bring to fulfillment in Jerusalem.” Moses and Elijah were most assuredly the *TWO MEN* dressed in white who witnessed at the Departure or Ascension of Jesus in Acts 1:10,11: “They looked up into the sky as He {Jesus} was going when suddenly *TWO MEN* dressed in white stood beside them. “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into Heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen Him go into Heaven!” And then in Luke 24:2b-6b we read: They did not find the body of Jesus. While they were wondering about this, suddenly *TWO MEN*… stood beside them… And the *MEN* said to them, “Why do you look for the living among the dead? HE IS NOT HERE; HE HAS RISEN!!” Jesus says in John 8:17b: “The testimony of *TWO MEN IS VALID* and of course the testimony of Moses and Elijah is just about as valid as you can get. And so the coming of God’s *TWO MEN* or witnesses to prophesy for 1260 days {See Rev 11:3-7} will be their FOURTH appearance as God’s 2 witnesses or MEN. And the reason that their names are not mentioned in Luke 24:3 and Acts 1:10 and Revelation 11:3-12 is that God as well as Moses and Elijah want us to glorify *NO ONE ELSE BUT JESUS*!!
I have removed the rest of this article because there are some things wrong with it. 1) The person who writes this is Amillennialist – they believe the temple was destroyed in 70AD and won’t be rebuilt. As for the above, yes Elijah and Moses will be the two end time witnesses.
THE ANTI-CHRIST IS NERO CESAR.
As for the Anti-Christ being Nero Cesar. Could be. Either way, it’s going to be a very bad man. But no one know what Nero looked like. If he looked a little like Rick Warren, let me know.
INTERESTING SPECULATION AS TO THE POSSIBILITY THAT OBAMA MAY BE THE FUTURE FALSE PROPHET OF 666.
Obama is something that is for sure.
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
Well why didn’t Jonah get stoned? Did he not give a false word. He actually said exactly what the Lord told him to say, yet it did not come forth. Does that mean Jonah was a false prophet??
nate
If he said exactly what the Lord wanted him to say then it was not a false word was it. Duh!
May God forgive you for the hatred and judgement of his prophets tell me when was the last news of a true prophet and a real miracle.God requires mercy and not sacrifice,he who speaks for the father stirs love and salvation.He who is carnal speaks envy strife and makes their living on fear.God gave each beleiver and holy spirit do you really The God of Jesus the christ appointed you as a watchdog for him???
John Machado
Are you Sylvia Machado’s relative? (She was a huge false prophetess who was bust with gold glitter in her hair)
Anyhow, you said, ” tell me when was the last news of a true prophet and a real miracle.” GOOD QUESTION!!! WELL if you go back to the Bible you will see plenty. Now-a-days? NONE! Because there are no more prophets after Jesus. Only false ones (of which Kim Clement falls into this category). The next time we will see true prophets again will be during the TRIBULATION amongst Israel.
I am not a watchdog, good grief, where did you get that rubbish from. A Watchman yes, to guard all the millions of people who fall into the hands of wolves dressed as sheep. I am here to blow my horn loud and warn people that this man is NOT a man of GOD but another god.
A watch dog??? that’s funny…on a very much lighter note I am sure the Lord does not need a watch dog to protect Him…(the Lord Jesus Christ has a very good sense of humour)
On second thoughts…during the Toronto meetings it appears that there were a few watch dogs around…
“Another characteristic of the Toronto Phenomenon is people making animal noises and acting like animals. The two most common such behaviors, so far, have been barking like a dog and roaring like a lion.”
Greetings Prophet Clement: God wants you to continue to do His work. Always remember, Hod told Jonah to prophesy, he did as God said. Because the people repented, God changed His mind!
God dropped you in my spirit … I want to encourage you to keep your focus and don’t concern yourself with nay sayers. People seem to forget that God is sovereign and that He does and can change His mind. Hezekiah was to die per the prophecy .. but, God changed His mind. God told Jonah to prophesy that He was going to destroy Ninevah, but they repented and God changed His mind. Unfortunately, some people are so quick to sin by judging the men and women of God. I encourage you to watch the shifting that God has done within you since you have been attacked. Dare to continue to allow God to use you. Fear not, God is with you! This is your confirmation that you asked God to send. It is time … Now is the time! Continue and watch God soar you to the top! Before every shifting, there is a shaking! Graciously, Prophetess Donna Stenson
Many years ago I attended a tent meeting in Pinetown KZN…under Pinetown Christian Centre (Rodney Seago was pastor…I knew him fairly well…a nice guy and genuinely sincere) where a woman Jan Painter (a self appointed prophetess) was appearing along with Drummond Thom an American Evangelist who was born in SA and Kim Clement on piano.I was into this form of worship and charisma as my brother was married into a French Mauritian family (Ex Roman Catholics that broke away and got involved in the glossolalia experience that we believed was of the Holy Spirit.By the grace of God I have broken out of this delusion although at the time I know I was genuinely SAVED…in those days it was not so bad as the gospel of repentance and new person was occassionally preached even by these charismatics…including Drummond Thom. But Jan Painter selected a group of people in the meeting even including me ) and “prophetised” over me saying that I was going to be a huge financier of God’s money and that I would build great outreaches for God all over the world….that their would be extensions of His Kingdom and much money would pass through my hands and much would remain. All the time Kim Clement kept on playing the piano with great passion (and believe me he can play very well)…every now and then followed by interjections of amens and hallejulahs. I am so glad that this false prophesy did not come true as sometimes Satan has his hand in these things to get people to believe in false teachings.
I was hooked into all of this and believed in these charlatans for many years until the Holy Spirit began opening my eyes to the lies being told by leaders I was supposed to respect and follow…virtually all these guys have hidden agendas…Kim Clement does not surprise me.Actually it was Angus Buchan’s declaration of certain untruths that finally opened my eyes to the lack of integrity amongst these preachers…I started to read about Benny Hinn, Joel Osteen. Jakes ,Copeland etc and their gang and scales fell off my eyes…now I can genuinely lift my hallejulahs and praises to God as I have been been set free from this terrible evil that has befallen the modern church…it is a terrible abomination and Deb’s has my prayerful support in exposing this false teaching.
Michael
I would like to be a sausage dog – they are cute.
LOL
“Prophetess” Donna hopes that “Prophet” Kim will read this somehow…maybe during one of their seances…”God dropped you in my spirit.”
This sounds like spiritualism to me…like Kathryn Kuhlman and Benny Hinn’s communication.
On a very much more sombre note…Spiritualism is a damnable abomination to the Lord Jesus Christ and truly saved Christians.
But on the lighter side it sounds ridiculous…like a transaction done by Tom Cruise in the unsavoury film “Cocktails”
Debs, I wonder what breed of dog they had in mind? A pit bull? Snicker – laugh – tee hee.
At least they didn’t call you a heretic hunter.
As for the “Prophetess:” mistaking your site for Kim Clement’s – that is too funny…..
Michael, did you mean to say that Angus B. pointed out false teachers? With all due respect I would rather believe that the Pope renounced Catholicism.
But nevertheless, glad you were delivered from all that charismnia and false teaching.
Debs and BL …not sure what type of breed would be suitable but yes…could have been a Heretic Hunter or Apostasy Alsation or maybe a Prophetic Poodle…However it has been known to bark warnings…..wof,wof,wof but some people do not take heed of this warning. Bred initially in the USA but is spreading increasingly into Africa and even Europe.
I am The Discernment Dachshund who has the strength of a pitpull.
Sausage Dog on Guard
BL…”Michael, did you mean to say that Angus B. pointed out false teachers? With all due respect I would rather believe that the Pope renounced Catholicism”
No I certainly did not mean this… I know that what Angus has written and stated certain things that are simply not true and in my book that is totally unacceptable and makes a so-called advocate of the Way, a liar…thus causing me to investigate further into all these self proclaimed preachers,prophets, evangelists …call them what you like.
Many years I was trapped in this darkness…daring not to challenge these men and women…accepting their teachings and what I thought were almost perfect christians…maybe some with a few foibles but so what…none of us are exempt of sin which made me susceptible to the charismatic catch phrase …do not judge and do not speak against the annointed. Little did I know and like millions of blind followers that the annointing was either self delusion or demonic delusion.
The Holy Spirit showed me that God does NOT use liars…yes we all are not perfect but for men of the gospel…no..no…NO.
I thought about this carefully…if my doctor told me a lie about my health or about a medical condition or process would I go to him for health and medical assistance
Or if my financial advisor or stock broker told me an untruth and persuased me dishonestly and untruly….WHAT WOULD I DO….Obviously drop them and never go to them again. Now if a preacher…teacher…author in name of Christianity tells untruths in the name of God this is even far worse as it is my salvation in eternity that is at risk.
Therefore it became apparent to me that this is the frontline of the spiritual warfare and deception today..Satan works through these double agents and there is a huge force of blindness over the church today that prevents people from seeing these atrocities…people adamently protect and cover up the sins of their heroes and become people worshipers in opposed to defending the written Word in its right context.
Without being unkind and disrespectful…this is ludicrous…do people actually believe this absurdity…
“Continue and watch God soar you to the top! Before every shifting, there is a shaking! Graciously, Prophetess Donna Stenson”
Is the prophetess predicting the rapture or an earthquake or is Kim Clement going to follow in Mark Shuttleworth’s steps and become an astronaut (or cosmonaut if launched in Russia)
This really boggles the mind.
[EDITED by DTW: BERNARD, STOP IT!! YOUR COMMENTS ARE BEING DELETED BECAUSE YOU ARE BLINDED BY WILLIAM BRANHAM – SEEK HELP, AND THE ONLY ONE WHO WILL SAVE YOU IS JESUS CHRIST
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Michael,
My life experience is similar to your w.o.f. I was brought up in this doctrine and for some reason was too afraid to question or even think that what we were being taught could be wrong. Even if I did not understand what the so called pastors were preaching, or understand the ‘prophesies’ that were being prophesied or the so called tongues that nobody could understand, I would not dare question any of it, being too afraid that I would be questioning God and punished. We were told to go out and preach the Gospel to the unsaved, and I could not, even though in my heart I loved Jesus, I did not really understand what being saved really meant.
Even long into my adult life, I used to watch TBN and God Channel on a regular basis, and even when the Holy Spirit started to show me the errors in this doctrine, because now I was reading my Bible and I started to see a different Gospel to the one that was being preached by these so called pastors, I found myself trying to correct their doctrine but in such a way as to make excuses for them in my mind, as I was still so afraid to accuse them of preaching a false doctrine, until one day I was listening to Jan Crouch (Barbie Doll) say that if we the listeners, would write out a cheque for 5 thousand dollars to help them build a hospital
in Tahiti, then God would heal us of any illness that we have. That is when my eyes were opened, I thought, my act of writing out a cheque would make God heal me, my money bypasses asking Jesus to heal me and if I did not have any money to give, then I would have no hope of ever being healed. After that, I started to see what liars and con artists these people are, it got so bad, that I started to feel sick whenever I tried to watch and listen to these people. Satan uses a spirit of deception a spirit of blindness and an accusing spirit (the person being accused was me, thinking that I would be punished by God) to protect these false preaches, and false prophets etc. and anyone who watches, listens to and follows these false preaches does not realise it, but they have accepted these demonic spirits and that is why it is so difficult for them to come out of all false doctrines.
Jemfishy, you made a profound statement when you said that those who listen and follow the false teachings have accepted the demonic spirits and that is why it is so difficult for them to come out of the false doctrines. They have bought into the delusion and when leaven comes in, it multiplies. They are what they feed upon. But like you, many of them will finally break through the fog and come into the light of Truth. That is why we must keep on warning, keep on exposing these deeds of darkness until someone listens and takes heed. Most will not, but we can snatch a few from the fire.
That’s absolutely right BL and Jemfishy…it is horrific that this actual demonic stronghold has gripped the modern church…the fact that people like (ie Bernard and a host of others that try to defend these charlatans) react uncontrollably and bad manneredly is the character and the power of the evil underworld.
It is very sad because I believe some are genuinely sincere (I know I was) and it is because of this we should pray for God’s mercy on them and that they should be truly saved.
for those who dont believe there are no more prophets they need to read ephesians chapter 4 and acts 13:1-4 seriously people read your bible before you speak.God has a five fold not a one fold calling in ministry.
David
>>for those who dont believe there are no more prophets they need to read ephesians chapter 4 and acts 13:1-4 seriously people read your bible before you speak.God has a five fold not a one fold calling in ministry.
No serious, you need to read yours. Prophets and Apostles ended with Jesus. All prophets pointed to Jesus Christ, all Apostles where physically appointed by Jesus. Today we only have teachers and preachers. As Christians we have the HOLY SPIRIT who guides us into all truth.
Agreed…no purpose for prophets since their mission was to point to the coming of the Messiah…The Lord Jesus Christ…all prophecy was fulfilled in Him alone and the completion of the scriptures. Our guidance comes only from the accurate obedience in the bible and the Holy Spirit who acts as the Comforter…the Reassurer(if I am permitted to use this term.) No strange predictions needed…these come from false prophets.
David I used to believe in the 5 fold ministry too for decades but found out it is totally and utterly false…people giving out predictions that never came true, although some did but there was even deception here as there was no relevance here, healings that were suspect (Satan is a trickster),there are genuine healings but they do NOT come about by self appointed healers and charlatans).I was healed By God from an infection called necrotising faciitis…deadly 3 out of 4 people die and those who survive end up with an amputation of a limb. I came out completely restored and enjoy good health…that was over 20 years ago.
The biggest relevation came to me when some of these big names told blatant LIES, LIES and more LIES.
I realised that these people were controlled by demon spirits…used the bible out of context,mixed their deceit with scripture (partial truths).The poison is administered in what appears to be authentic and desirable but is deadly because it is swallowed by naive and gullible trusting masses who indeed are genuinely seeking the answers to life. Yes, the REAL JESUS is the answer but NOT the Jesus that these decepters preach.
Yes, many counterfeit “Christs” abound. Not a lot of testing of the spirits is going on, but rather accepting based on experience rather than the truth of the Word of God and not the twisting that goes on. Thanks Michael.
M G wrote:
I support your comments….110%….just because a prophet work does not immediately come to pass does not make someone a “false prophet” and he never said he was….I suppose they would have said that Isaiah was a “false prophet” because it was 900years before the fulfillment of the birth of Christ was manifest….
Yes it really is horrible…the enemy has infiltrated the camp and the only one who can save us is the real Lord Jesus Christ…the need to cling closer to Him now more than ever. I long for His return as I am very lonely…very few genuine believers in my area…churches I have attended are contaminated with false teaching and are very driven by material wealth. Sadly there appears scant fellowship here… I used to attend charismatic churches but was saved in a Methodist Church…the late Joe Boyd. The closest I believe to real bible believering church I once experienced was @ St James Church…Frank Retief…he is a true expounder of the gospel…very sound…but I disagree with his teaching on divorce…but his gospel is direct and soul saving…he is humble and intelligent bible teacher and a man of integrity.
I miss fellowship but have grown closer to Jesus in the last +/-5 years. I once met members of the Christian Brethren and they seemed sound and very practical and genuine and stuck to the bible.
LS
Isaiah I am sure said hundreds of things in between the prophecy of Jesus Christ that ALL CAME TRUE. Secondly Isaiah is in the Bible, Kim Clement is NOT. When brings me to my next point; 1) Genuine Prophets ARE ALL recorded in the Bible, 2) the bible states that prophecy would cease after the Bible was written.
So. I think you need to re-consider your comment.
Yes…like Fidel Castro was supposed to die in the 90’s and all the homosexuals in the USA will be destroyed by fire in 1995…Benny Hinn.
There are too many of these charlatans and inaccurate ,nonsensical predictions as well…KC belongs to same gang and they are birds of a feather…prophets that are liars…blatantly…
I’m doing a lovely article on prophets and prophecy. Get this info out once and for all.
Acts 13..1-4 Yes David there was a need for prophets then…the bible was still being completed. Paul also preached in synagouges and he did much of his preaching on the Jewish sabbath and never on Sunday. We do not see pastors preaching in synagouges today unless they are rabbis and the sabbath is now been chosen as a sunday and not a Saturday but thats off the subject and not relevent here.
We do not need prophets today…but Satan knows this and sends these deceptive,soothsayers to come and deceive the trusting gullible masses.
Michael wrote:
Michael I grew up in Christian Brethren and more biblical expounding than that is hard to find.I fell
by the wayside, but the Lord pulled me back.I was attending with my wife a three years back Revival Worship Centre pastored by Jaques vd Westhuizen and I almost choked the times I was there.30 min or more worshipsinging,30 min explaining why people must “tithe”,10 min offering 15 min preaching on criticism of pastors,15 min offering…
I went there to please my wife I admit,also the kids like the music.
But I left and my wife stayed until God answered my prayers and she stopped going.
I advise you to find a gathering place with like-minded believers
Yours in Christ
Heber…I have no intention in getting close to any particular grouping…in all humility I can say I’m very discerning and street-wise now and know when the Holy Spirit is speaking. I suppose with Christian Brethren each fellowship will differ…my experience with an old Christian Brethren man was very positive…he was a missionary (Albert Nocke) and served in the Congo and Zambia a long time ago. He was a very kind, strong and gentle man that loved the Lord…he was so different than what you see today.
But the danger is always looking to men,churches,denominations etc…this will always lead to error…It must always be ONLY Jesus…the author and finisher of the saving faith.
I don’t know of a single denomination or fellowship of churches that has not been infiltrated with leaven at this point in time. Of course there are some that are more solid than others, but one cannot put one’s confidence in any movement or man. They must be measured by the standards of the Word.
Many Christians leaders who were formerly solid and trustworthy in their teaching have become corrupted and teach truth mixed with error. Sad, but a sign of the times. Too many Christians cling to a man or a movement in loyalty and downright idolization. We must keep our eyes on the Lord Jesus Christ, the Author and Finisher of our faith. He and He alone is beyond reproach.
Don’t get me wrong, there are still those who hold fast to the truth, but they are in the minority. They need to be encouraged to keep on as it is unpopular and difficult to maintain a ministry these days while teaching unvarnished truth. Most want their ears tickled.
It seems that you are right BL…Billy Graham was once a different man …years ago he was a tough “fire and brimstone” preacher that made no bones about how to get saved…now it appears that he has different views. Although I now disagree with the charismatic teaching I can honestly say there was a time when certain charismatic (then referred as pentecostals) there were men that preached the accurate gospel of the cross and men and women were saved…I think of the late John Bond…head of the AOG in Southern Africa.Most charismatics and some Methodists,Anglicans and Baptists have been corrupted by the WOF and Dominionists. A denomination that has not however been infected is CESA (Church of England in SA…a break-away many years ago from the Anglicans…in fact believers in these fellowships are strongly opposed.
The churches today are in dire straits and Satan’s war is right in the middle of the camp and that is why this blog is so worthy as Debs has had the courage to tell the truth.
Michael, you are causing division. Whether you believe him or not. Get a grip, what happened to not arguing?
Samuel…please respond with sense…but yes, sorting out the sheep from the goats and if this offends you you have a problem my friend and need to come to grips with the real Jesus and get properly saved.Kim Clement is on the other side of the track mate and sprouts untruths and nonsensical inaccuracies just like that jester Hinn. A man either has integrity or he does not.
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
Isnt there the mention of prophetess in Acts? This would certainly be after Jesus?
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
Pls provide reference txt for point #2. thank you!
GMA
Yes… now pay attention… and read this carefully.
Are Prophets for Today or has Prophecy Ceased?
No, there are no prophets today because genuine Prophets are mentioned in the Bible – they were the foundations of the church and secondly the gift of prophecy has ceased.
The office of Prophet and Apostle was temporary…
and only necessary for the church before the completion of the Bible. The actual foundation of the church was built UPON the Prophets and Apostles (with Jesus Christ being the chief cornerstone).
Ephesians 2:19-22
19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,20 having been built ON THE FOUNDATION of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.
The role of the prophet in the Old Testament was to foretell the future and truths about God and the coming of His Son Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ was the LAST and GREATEST Prophet
Hebrews 1:1-2
1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;
The gift of prophecy has ceased.
1 Corinthians 13 (Amp)
8 Love never fails [never fades out or becomes obsolete or comes to an end]. As for prophecy (the gift of interpreting the divine will and purpose), it will be fulfilled and pass away; as for tongues, they will be destroyed and cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away [it will lose its value and be superseded by truth].
9 For our knowledge is fragmentary (incomplete and imperfect), and our prophecy (our teaching) is fragmentary (incomplete and imperfect).
10 But when the complete and perfect (total) comes, the incomplete and imperfect will vanish away (become antiquated, void, and superseded)
The ‘perfect’ spoken about in verse 10 above is the Bible itself. Here we are told that when the Bible would be written and complete, prophecy would no longer be needed, neither would tongues for that matter as the Bible is Perfect in every way and the church will use the Bible instead because it contains all the prophecy you need.
But someone might say,” but what about 1 Corinthians 14:3 where it speaks about prophesying.
Well let me explain.
1 Corinthians 14:3 (AMP)
3 But [on the other hand], the one who prophesies [who interprets the divine will and purpose in inspired preaching and teaching] speaks to men for their upbuilding and constructive spiritual progress and encouragement and consolation.
This is not prophecy spoken by a Prophet my dear readers, this is the gift of inspired preaching and teaching that results in edification, exhortation, and encouragement. This is FORTH TELLING of the truth of the Word of God, not FORETELLING the future.
Once again do you see how just the smallest twisting of scripture can create an entire false religion and lead millions upon millions of people astray.
Today we have millions of false prophets running around telling churches that they have ‘heard from the Lord, this’, or ‘God has told them, that” but they speak from their own imaginations.
Jeremiah 23:16
16 Thus says the LORD of hosts: “ Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you. They make you worthless; They speak a vision of their own heart, Not from the mouth of the LORD.
Jeremiah 14:14
14 And the LORD said to me, “The prophets prophesy lies in My name. I have not sent them, commanded them, nor spoken to them; they prophesy to you a false vision, divination, a worthless thing, and the deceit of their heart.
Sometimes some of these false prophets prophecies come true, but it’s not due to the fact that they are Godly men or woman, oh no! Many of these prophets dabble in occultism and Satan can make things go his way that they correspond with the said prophecy. In fact you find prophets in all religions. Satan is also not stupid, his intelligence far exceeds mans and he knows how to play mankind and get them right where he wants them. A so called prophet within todays ‘Christian’ circles is non other than a soothsayer and they are an abomination unto the Lord.
Deuteronomy 18:9-13
9 “When you come into the land which the LORD your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations.10 There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, 11 or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. 12 For all who do these things are an abomination to the LORD, and because of these abominations the LORD your God drives them out from before you. 13 You shall be blameless before the LORD your God.
Beware of false prophets but also beware of saying the power of God is the power of the dark side!very dangerous and sounds like the ones Jesus said had spoke against the holy spirit!
he said their was no forgiveness!!
josh
wake up and smell the coffee…
tell me, how do you know what is truth vs error Josh? give me an example of a false prophet?
The misunderstanding about doctrine comes down to the new birth…the new birth is salvation.The new birth is dying to the self (Paul refers it to the “old man”).All scripture has the final goal to lead sinful man to salvation. Scripture has been perverted in the new generation churches to centre on man…self improvement,positive thinking,the exaltation of man…pride in all it’s deceptive forms…even delusions and those who are so self-centred that they think they have a mission to change and add to the COMPLETION and FULFILLMENT of the documented and recorded Word of God. Self proclaimed mystic prophets today are deluded by evil spirits and self-esteem and egotists and megalomaniacs.
Even John the Baptist (who Jesus Himself proclaimed…was the greatest born of woman) said…John 3,30…He must increase, but I must decrease.
Sorry I wanted to add…It is all about the Messiah…the Lord Jesus Christ…only Him alone…there is salvation in Him alone and what He did at Calvary…NOTHING…I repeat NOTHING else will do. It’s all about Him…Christ-centredness.All else…additions…mystic visions…changes…sensations…phenomena (qualia…experiences and opinions are subjective and insignificant as well as opening the door to error and delusion.
People, the bible is complete, Christ has come and fulfilled His mission and is coming back again, I hope soon, and all scripture is complete in itself.
Rev 22:18-19…”For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.”
Deut 4:2…Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.”
I also wanted to add…there will be those who will argue…”it’s all about interpretation”. No mate…it really is not. It is all about Jesus. The only thing that has to change is you and me. You have to get rid of this horrible sinful self (and that includes me) get down on your knees and repent and ask Jesus’s forgiveness. Once done you sincerely thank Him and ask Him to give you the strength to live for Him and do those things that please Him and The Comforter will help you.
Goodbye old man, welcome new,goodbye self,welcome Christ living in me.
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Deborah,
You are in error. Let me share with you.
Ephesians 4:7-16
7) But unto everyone of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
8) Wherefore he said, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9) (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10) He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
11) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12) For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13) Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:
14) That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15) But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head even Christ:
16) From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth , according to the effectual working in the measure of every part , maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
In the new testament we are under a new covenant with God, we are under “Grace” & no longer under the “Law”
The old Testament was the law & the things the prophets like Jeremiah & Ezekiel were saying were things God told them to say to a SPECIFIC group of people.
Regarding this debate (there are no more prophets after Jesus) the things these old testament prophets said would not apply.
You know, Christianity is a way of life & this way of life is a life of serving others in love as Jesus did.
That said, I feel compelled to share this scripture with you.
2 Timothy 2:23,24
23) But foolish and unlearned questions avoid knowing that they do gender stifes.
24) And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient.
In addition, we are all at different levels/stages of spirituality and what interpretation one may have of a particular scripture or group of scriptures, another may not have or vice versa.
Here is something God thought was so important to know that he allowed it to be said twice.
In 1 Chronicles 16: 22
A little history; verses 4 & 7) King David delivered a Psalm to thank the Lord into the hands of Asaph & his brethren (Levites he (David) had appointed to minister before the Ark of God & to thank and praise God)
In the Psalm (Verses 21 & 22) David said (talking about how the Lord cared for the people) :
He (God) suffered no man to do them wrong (He allowed no man to do them wrong): yea he reproved kings for their sakes.
(reprove =rebuke/express sharp disapproval/ criticism)
Saying, (meaning God himself said) Touch not mine annointed, and do my prophets no harm.
Psalm 105 is a repetition of this Psalm that King David wrote and delivered to his brethren.
Here are a few more scriptures I felt compelled to share with you.
Proverbs 18:21
Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.
This scripture can be interpreted to mean that a person has the power to speak life or death into their life and circumstances, and whatever they speak, (implies repetition) they love and they will eat the fruit of whatever they constantly speak, be it death or life.
But it also can be interpreted to mean that a person or persons can speak life or death into another person’s life as well.
If they speak death (negative, evil words, curses etc. ) they are speaking death into anothers life and if speaking death, can be found to be a murderer, and we know
in I John 3:15 b it states:
and ye (you) know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
To bring this a step further Jesus says in St Mathew 12:33-37
Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things?
for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
For by thy words thou shalt be justified , and by thy words thou shalt be
condemned.
Proverbs 15:4
A wholesome tongue is a tree of life.
There is so much more I could share with you but time & space do not permit me.
However, It is my sincere prayer that you would read these with an open heart & let the Lord speak to your heart to give you understanding. And it is my hope that you be blessed.
Proverbs 4:7
Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom, and with all thy getting get understanding.
(principal = first in order or importance, main )
God’s understanding is infinite, ( Psalms 147:5 ) so you can ask him for understanding all the time, and he will give it.
St Mathew 7:7 Ask and is SHALL be given you; seek & ye SHALL find, knock and it SHALL be opened unto you.
II Corinthians 1: 20
For all the promises of God in him are yea and in him amen unto the glory of God by us.
Be Blessed in Jesus name.
Deborah,
You are wrong to say that miracles don’t happen today. I personally have prayed to the Lord for healing of the sick, and they’ve been made whole.
I’ve personally heard the Lord’s voice, though I wouldn’t tell you what He said. I have no message to share. One of my beloved brothers in Christ heard the Lord’s voice just recently.
You are wrong to say that aposltes no longer exist. Yes indeed the original apostles have passed. But what are the signs of an apostle? Miracles, wonders, miraculous signs. I have at least one good friend who has displayed these things through the Lord on a regular basis.
Though, listen. He doesn’t teach any new, strange ideas…only this: Christ loves and saves those who call upon Him.
But this is a pointless discussion. What have christians been called to today? It is to show Love, one to another. I suggest (for myself also) that unless we love eachother as we share our opinions, we contradict the most important tenant of Jesus’ message, and are therefore unworthy to be heard anyway.
If we can’t fulfill that basic requirement we are nothing more than resounding gongs.
Once love captures our hearts, we will see many miracles. Denominations don’t matter; past mistakes don’t matter: what matters is our love for Jesus right now.
For example; I saw a miracle yesterday when praying for an agnostic. It was AMAZING! :))
Now, I could make the claim that I’m an apostle. BUT I AM NOT. I’m just an incredibly messed up sinner who loves Jesus.
DOD
Where did I say miracles don’t happen today?
who are you to say that someone is or is not a man of God? It says in the Bible touch not mine anointed. Not sure about you but i would not want to be the one to call one of Gods anointed false.
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
A false prophet will cringe at the name of Jesus Christ, if you ask the prophet if he comes in the name of Jesus Christ, and gives you any other answer , he /she is a false prophet, A false prophet is some one who claims to be a prophet and is not.
If there works arn’t in the name of Jesus Christ, well then they are False.
21 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD ?” 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.
Jeremiah 14:14
Then the LORD said to me, “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.
Jeremiah 23:16
This is what the LORD Almighty says: “Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD.
Lamentations 2:14
The visions of your prophets were false and worthless; they did not expose your sin to ward off your captivity. The oracles they gave you were false and misleading
Mark Knight
>> A false prophet will cringe at the name of Jesus Christ, if you ask the prophet if he comes in the name of Jesus Christ, and gives you any other answer , he /she is a false prophet, A false prophet is some one who claims to be a prophet and is not.
Errrrr, what? You kidding, right? You do know that there are millions of people who will use and abuse the name of Jesus Christ every single day for their own PERSONAL GAIN – false teachers, false preachers, false prophets – and what will happen to these people one day….
Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
“prophetess” Donna,
Are you attempting to negate the scriptures? It appears that you are confusing Gods threatenings, which were CONDITIONAL , and something that has been decreed by God , which is NOT conditional, and will always come to pass.
But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or
that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
Deu 18:21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
Deu 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is
the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be
afraid of him. If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
Deu 13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other
gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
Deu 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your
God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
Deu 13:4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice,
and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
Deu 13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn
you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house
of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put
the evil away from the midst of thee.
Deu 13:6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy
friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou
hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
Deu 13:7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee,
from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
Deu 13:8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither
shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
Deu 13:9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and
afterwards the hand of all the people.
Deu 13:10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from
the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
Deu 13:11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you
Prophets proclaim what God has said, and since He has already said it, they now proclaim His Written Word, they DO NOT ADD TO IT! THE CANON IS CLOSED!
Debs says and I know this to be true…false christians blabber their own gospel…name it and claim it, speak actions and faith into existence, this is a huge insult for the Son of God that humiliated Himself into a human shell and suffered on the cross because He loved us and wanted to save us from our sins and iniquities…please Jesus come quickly soon and save us from false brethren.
Sorry I forgot this by Deborah…”A false prophet will cringe at the name of Jesus Christ, if you ask the prophet if he comes in the name of Jesus Christ, and gives you any other answer , he /she is a false prophet, A false prophet is some one who claims to be a prophet and is not.”
Sadly our enemies are no longer the outside world but the infiltrators into the church…the world has been invaded by the enemy imposing in the modern church…leading millions astray…Lord have mercy on us and send real men and women of God to warn and tell us the truth that is in the Bible…Jesus please come quickly for Your bride before this madness overtakes the church. It is just getting too difficult and out of hand.
Michael,
Sadly our enemies are no longer the outside world but the infiltrators into the church…the world has been invaded by the enemy imposing in the modern church…leading millions astray…Lord have mercy on us and send real men and women of God to warn and tell us the truth that is in the Bible…Jesus please come quickly for Your bride before this madness overtakes the church. It is just getting too difficult and out of hand.
So true! I am in utter amazement at what the “church” embraces as “spiritual”. And this is true, check it out —It nearly ALL comes from under the charasmatic umbrella. This is because they are ‘experience’ driven more than Word driven.People want to ‘feel’ God not just believe Him and the deeper contentment that comes from that. They have no sound system of hermanuetics, but rather they spirituallize and allegorize the scriptures to say whatever they want them to say. And now the floogates are open and we have an ever increasing madness in the church because the church has tolerated the excesses of the charismatic people who have a low regard for doctrine and scripture and a very high regard for how they “feel”. This must be the last days, the Lord must be at the very door.
I agree with DOD, we are to love one another. If we do this, people will know we are of God. Not by miracles or by speaking in tongues, but by the love we have for one another will people know we are of God. If we are true believers, we should not be following after signs, signs should be following us. Take notice of a believer’s life who loves the Lord, and you will see God at work doing wonderful things. Pointing to scriptures to prove a point may stem from pride and not love,so even in discussions like these, we need to be careful, meaning we may be trying to show an error in someone else when we may be operating in error and not realize it. The Lord knows who are His, let us love, if we belong to Him so people will be drawn to the kingdom, and let Jesus be the judge and ruler of those who may or may not be speaking in His Name.
SOME WANT TO CLAIM KIM IS A FALSE PROPHET, WHAT WHEN KIM GIVE THIS ABOUT PROPHECY DEALING WITH 9/11 ATTACK, IN DETROIT MI BACK IN 1996.KIM GOT 36 MILLION HITS ON HIS WEB SITE THAT DAY, BECAUSE WHAT HAD PROPHESIED BACK IN DETROIT IN 1996. SOME PROPHECY’S MAY NOT COME TRUE UNTIL YEARS[ISAIAH/JESUS/400 YEARS] LATER,JUST BECAUSE HE GAVE AN FALSE WORD DOES THAT MAKE KIM A FALSE PROPHET?? SOME MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE BEEN IN THE LORD FOR YEARS,CAN MISS HEARING THE LORD’S VOICE. THE MAIM THING ABOUT PROPHECY IS, WE ARE STILL LIVING IN THIS FLESH EARTHEN BODY,SO WE ARE PRONE MISS HEARING THE LORD’S VOICE WHEN LIVING IN THIS BODY.IF A PROPHET MISSES IT, BUT IF HE IS RIGHT BY 99.99% OF THE TIME, DO WE KILL HIM OR HER FOR THAT ONE PERCENT THAT THEIR PROPHECY WAS WRONG??? MAYBE THE LORD IS ALLOWING KIM TO GIVE A FALSE PROPHECY, TO TEST EACH OF US WHERE OUR HEARTS ARE IN THIS MATTER. DO WE PICK UP THE STONES, AND STONED KIM FOR HIS FALSE PROPHECY’S?? OR DO WE LIFT KIM UP IN PRAYER SO THAT THE LORD CAN HEAL AND FORGIVE KIM??? WE ALL HAVE FALLEN SHORT AND HAVE SAID FALSE WORDS, TO THE LORD, AND MOST OF ALL TO OURSELVES.DO WE NEED TO JUDGE OURSELVES AND PRAY FOR KIM, WE ARE STILL IN THE FLESH AND PRONE TO SIN,PRONE TO SAY FALSE WORDS. WE ARE PRONE TO STONE OTHERS WITH OUR OWN WORDS,NO ONE WILL ESCAPE THE JUDGMENT WHAT WE HAVE SAID WITH OUR WORDS, NO ONE.
Isakar
The bible also says that when you hear the truth spoken by FALSE prophets you are to IGNORE THEM 🙂
First , One false prophecy a false prophet makes. PERIOD ,END OF DISCUSSION!
Next after listening to Kim Clement I felt something very wrong about his spirit (and this was just a video)there is something very amiss and I do not listen even to his music as it also feels wrong. the same feel i had when I met the moonies and the LDS church. Just because someone declares themselves a prophet of G-d does not make it so. Someone said G-d changes his mind all the time. I laughed. NEVER does G-d change his mind.but he always shows mercy to those that repent. Mercy is not Chanhing His mind!!in fact Mercy is why we are given Yeshua. G-d had mercy on us and gave us a chance to turn around. It is a recurrent theme in the Old and New testament over and over he says keep my commandments . Over and over he tells us the wage of sin is death. I feel sad when i meet modern day prophets that cry out I have a word from god for you and thenprocede to tell me that i have been faithful to G-d’s word all my life and my reward shall be great because ” you have never wavered and always did His will” I tell my congregation that there is nothing that they can do no matter how checkered their table cloth that i can not identify with. since i have been a huge sinner and only through Yeshua do i have salvation. I have to their face told people they are false prophets not out of malice but so they can turn away from such things … I see Kim C. as a false Prophet who continues to deceive people of great faith in G-d , people who talk the talk and walk the walk as Yeshua did and ministering to all the brethern the Holy word of salvation. sadly many get led astray by these new age doctrines that are unsound by Torah and unsound by the Gospels . we are to put on the full armour of G-d so we will not be deceived when HaSatan comes promoting new and strange doctrines. the ephesians needed this message in Pauls time and we need it today. not to stop us from following Gods commandments but so we do not learn more unsound poop at the hands of self proclaimed prophets .
may G-d have mercy on those who were deceived and may we be watchmen on the walls forewarning of the approach of the great deceiver.
be well my friends
God Bless
kim prophesy to my grandson at age 6 weeks, everything that was say has and is coming to pass. the work and word is not kim’s but the Lord. I believe in the word of God and so do my Grandson.
o yes, my grandson is 20 years old.
Space is too short to discuss this fully, but I will briefly state why the author of this Web Site and criticism of Kim Clement is wrong, but it does not make him a false teacher. He mistakenly applies Old Testament tests of a prophet to New Testament Prophets without realizing that the word has been brought inside of believers and prophecy is merely to confirm the word that God is speaking to us from within. The word did not indwell the Old Testament Prophets as it does New Testament believers and particularly prophets.
Old Testament Prophets were like tape recorders, and they were required to play back exactly as God spoke to them. God could even used Balaam’s donkey to do this (Num 22:28). Yet, New Testament Prophets’ prophesy partly to cleanse the souls of believers from their carnality, including their own souls, but none of us are ever completely cleansed or sanctified while alive. It is a work in progress. Kim Clement is saved, is a true believer, has the indwelling Godhead inside, is more accurate with words of knowledge than most modern day New Testament prophets, and does not lead people to do evil as would a false prophet. He never prophesies to change the destiny of Satan or the Ultimate judgment of unbelievers at the White Throne Judgment. You are confusing the assignment of Old Testament Prophets with the assignment of New Testament Prophets. You are wrong, but that does not make you a false teacher, just wrong. You cannot bring Old Testament Scriptures and make them 100% relevant to the experience of believers after the dispensation of mercy and grace after the Cross. Likewise, you cannot use current events and make them bring scriptures about the end times come to present day happening. This, too, is wrong, but ministers do it all the time. They are wrong teachers, not false teachers.
There is a distinct difference between the ministry of Old Testament Prophets and New Testament Prophets because the Word became flesh and dwelt among us (John 1:14). The Word of God was implanted in Jesus’ humanity nature, and the Word of God is implanted in believers’ untransformed souls to wash the souls from their carnality. The words of Jesus are spirit and life, but not all believers are instantly spiritual nor experience the life of Jesus abundantly. Again, New Testament believers are born again and have inside of them the indwelling Godhead, Who uses His word to wash away the carnality of their souls (Eph 5:26). One can get the word inside of them by reading the word, by hearing the word, or by prophesying the word. Old Testament Prophets did not have the indwelling Godhead as New Testament believers have as Jesus had not died on the Cross as yet, and this includes New Testament Prophets. New Testament prophets are not primarily to speak to nations but to people, “But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort” (1Co 14:3). New Testament Prophets also have the assignment to equip the saints for the work of the ministry for the edification of the Body of Christ (Eph 4:12). You do not read this in the Old Testament. The Old Testament Prophets were teachers, but they just taught people the word of God and how to conduct themselves in the Tabernacle or Temple, but not to release everyone into ministry. Thus, New Testament Prophets have a different job assignment than the Old Testament Prophets. Did an Old Testament Prophet only know in part? No! He was merely a tape recorder for God. Yet, 1Co 13:9-10 says about New Testament Prophets, “For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.” Scofield argued that the word “when that which is perfect is come” meant the canonized word, but he was wrong, as it means the coming forth with perfection the Bride of Christ and when Christ returns for His bride. If an Old Testament Prophet only stated part of what God said, he was stoned to death, but knowing in part only is allowed of New Testament Prophets. Why? Because the Word became flesh and dwells within every believer and is used to cleanse, not condemn. Because New Testament prophets testify how they too are also a cleansing work in progress, just like every other believer, then they only know in part. Even Jesus’ humanity nature had to learn obedience by the things He suffered and thus His humanity nature is not all knowing (Heb 5:8). In fact, even Jesus does not know the day He is returning to earth for His bride (Acts 1:7). If a New Testament prophet says something to change the ultimate punishment of Satan, for example, then he would be a false prophet, but is not a false prophet just because he makes a mistake or is sometimes wrong, as a New Testament Prophet only know in part. All Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors and Teacher are sometimes wrong, but this does not make them a false Apostle, Prophet, Evangelist, Pastor or Teacher. No where is it mentioned in the Old Testament that a Old Testament Prophet only knows in part. The word of God now lives in all believers, and a New Testament Prophet is merely to confirm what God is already speaking to you, but some people have not learned to clearly hear from God, so a New Testament Prophet is needed. Also, the entire Eph 4:11 ministry functions of the Apostle, Prophet, Evangelist, Pastor, and Teacher are with the Church for how long? The answer is two verses later, Eph 4:13, “Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ.” Obviously, there is very little unity of the faith, and there certainly is a lack of maturity in the Church.
Why was my recent comment defending Kim Clement not posted, Michael? Are you being partial? Are you being unfair? Do you not post people who disagree with you in a sholarly way? I challenge you to post what I wrote. It is not an exhaustive statement, and it only comments briefly some scriptural references to show that you cannot judge New Testament Prophets the way they did Old Testament Prophets.
Dr Nova Pack
It was not posted because the moderator of this blog was ill. It now approved.
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I JUST WANT TO SAY TO ALL YOUR PEOPLE THAT WRITE AGAINST THESE PROPHETS IS WALKING ON THIN ICE. GOD JEHOVAH HATES IT WHEN PEOPLE TALK AGAINST GODS ANOINTED ONES READ YOUR BIBLE WHAT HAPPENED TO MIRIAM. HE SAYS THAT NO ONE MUST TALK AGAINST HIS ANOINTED ONES AND YOU GOD JEHOVAH SAID THAT YOU CAN NOT JUDGE HE IS THE ONLY ONE WHO IS GOING TO JUDGE.
Num 12:1 And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.
Num 12:6 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.
Num 12:7 My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.
Num 12:8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?
Num 12:9 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against them; and he departed.
Num 12:10 And the cloud departed from off the tabernacle; and, behold, Miriam became leprous, white as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, she was leprous.
Num 12:11 And Aaron said unto Moses, Alas, my lord, I beseech thee, lay not the sin upon us, wherein we have done foolishly, and wherein we have sinned.
Num 12:12 Let her not be as one dead, of whom the flesh is half consumed when he cometh out of his mother’s womb.
Num 12:13 And Moses cried unto the LORD, saying, Heal her now, O God, I beseech thee.
Johan
First – the word JEHOVAH is not God’s name – hence JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES use it.
Secondly – Kim Clement is as un-annointed as you get. He is part of the New Apostolic Reformation and I believe he is a Freemason because he is known to wear masonic insignia like the Fleur de Lys.
Fourth – The word anointed means ‘Christ’, Kim Clement is not CHRIST – a false one yes!
Fifth – If God is the only one who can judge according to you, then why are you judging me? Are you God? 😉
Sixth – Quoting scripture out of context is not helping prove Kim is a man of God.
Johan,this is a common mis-conception in the church today that “ordinary people” are not allowed to say anything against so-called “anointed” pastors/preachers/leaders. This is a LIE that I myself believed for many years – it is a LIE preached by many of these “anointed” men/woman of God. Do yourself a favour and google “Lies my pastor told me” written by Cole Brown, download it, read it and hopefully your eyes will be opened like mine were….
The human race is doomed.
It’s very disappointing to see so many sheep misled by this lying crook.
He is a complete fake, just like the others.
Wake up you fools !!!!!!!!!!
Everytime God reads the comments made by the negative “children” His heart breaks. Kim is not perfect, he makes mistakes like the rest of us..but I know one thing..Kim adores the Lord. God loves that man and when they are together they just melt into one another.Kim is God’s son. Instead of being so critical, get on your face before God and ask Him to reveal truth, wisdom and knowledge to Kim. Kim is bold and courageous. I knew him before he became so reknowned..and he is still the same humble man.Remember, satan has more to fear from Kim than from any of you so if he says something out of the flesh during his prophesy, God forgives him when he comes before Him and asks forgiveness. Kim does not go around saying he is the Christ..but the same anointing that was on Jesus Christ rests on him and every believer. MARGIE SPIES
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Prophets prophecys will happen. If they don’t then they are false Prophets.
Read Deuteronomy 18:19-22
Deu 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
Deu 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
Deu 18:21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
Deu 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
Margaret
Everytime God reads people like yourself support FALSE TEACHERS his heart breaks.
May The Lord Jesus raise up watchmen on the wall to speak out against the lunacy that passes for doctrine and ‘moves of the spirit’ in the mainstream churchs. Don’t get me wrong, I do believe that the gifts of The Spirit are as real and relevant now as they were 2000 years ago, but most of what is practiced in the church today is a fraud and a deception that glorifies men and leads many astray. The true operation of the Gifts of The Spirit glorify and lift up The Name and Person of Jesus Christ, and draw men unto Him.
Margaret.
>>>he is still the same humble man<<<
Just proves, Satan deceives the "humble" too…
There are still prophets, but they are very very few(basically, its a death sentence)
and SIN, its never been the issue, that was dealt with before this earth was formed
As far as FLOWING with the most high, thats another story
mikster
huh?
Mikster,
wha-huh? (Scratching head)
This is between the Lord and Kim,…let us not judge. If anything, we need to pray for him and pray for everyone for that matter. We are even called to pray for our enemies and to not judge them either.
God bless you all!
[deleted] Read this regarding biblical judging so that you may understand what it means before you come and JUDGE ME: As Christians We Must Judge Righteously and Mark Them Which Cause Division and Do Not Tolerate Wicked People
In Christ Alone
We are not judging him, we are pointing out his false teaching so that other do not fall for his trap. For your info this is what the bible says about those who willingly preach false teaching and lead millions to hell. And of course we pray for them, my goodness what do you take us for.
As Christians We Must Judge Righteously and Mark Them Which Cause Division and Do Not Tolerate Wicked People
Hi Deborah
I find this article ridicules and sad, nowhere in this article do I read where Kim said in his own words “I am false prophet” yet you say he said it, he said that he has made mistakes yes that doesn’t make him false it makes him human, “He is a False Prophet” is your words and interpretation of what he said you are twisting what Kim is saying to fuel what you want to write . You must be very careful what you are saying remember David and Saul? Jesus told David as wrong as what Saul was do not touch my anointed. Be very careful when you speak out against leaders etc, how do you know if you are right? So if I disagree with you I can now go and tell people you are a false discern-er you can’t discern the voice of God? No I just don’t agree with you, remember you are not the only person that has the gift to discern, be sure you listen to the right voice. God has given people discernment not for them to trash people or leaders but to pray for them where they go wrong. Use your gift the right way please. Just another point Kim did proclaimed himself a Prophet his leaders did in 1983 do a bit of research before making allocations.
Question in your article you say he avoids Gods word about false prophets how did you get to that conclusion? Where and when did you see him avoiding God’s word?
Also you say he sings revelations from God which he claims he hears from God and that the word of God points him out as false, again how do you come to this conclusion that he is NOT hearing from God? You have not shown any prophecy from Kim where he gave a false revelation that does not add up to God’s word, yet you are say he is NOT hearing correctly, I see that as judging.
It is clear to me you don’t understand the prophetic, If you don’t understand the prophetic rater not comment of it.
We as people are human we will make mistakes from time to time, you cannot show me one spiritual leader that hasn’t made a mistake, do we now call them false teachers, pastors, counselors etc no we don’t. This is how Satan keeps the children of God busy with none Godly things while he goes on deceiving people.
My advice to you in this is, rather than throwing the stones do what Jesus did. Rather pray for Kim and leaders that are standing out there instead of criticizing them again that’s how Satan is winning bringing in disunity. I am all for recognizing false teaches, prophets etc but it is our responsibility to pray for them that God will correct them or remove them. You don’t have to believe what they say. Just remember this, just because someone says something you don’t believe in or disagree with doesn’t make them false.
I agree whole heartily that we need to recognize and avoid false teachers etc but again be very careful how a person points that person out.
I do believe that God speaks through people. Sometime we need to hear a confirmation of something we are praying for.
In saying this if a person says to you or the church I have a word of God for you or the church, you will have the confirmation before that person opens their mouth and the word will be inline with what you are praying about or trusting God for.
I agree to many people say I have a word of God but there is no confirmation from leaders or any person that’s to me that is very clearly false. I have had people prophesying over me and some didn’t not come to pass others did as I had the confirmation of it although it only happened years later.
I also believe test everything by the Holy Spirit do not just believe what people say.
Just look at Jesus … everyone thought he was false prophet too. I think it’s hard for anyone to define who is and who isn’t a False Prophet … if something is morally wrong or clearly defies God as a whole than I’d take a look around. Look at all the Christian pastors and prophets who say homosexuality is normal and natural, how about those who say hell doesn’t really exist. Yes, Jesus said to love your neighbor, but he always said “Go and sin no more”. Rather than picking on a man who admits he makes mistakes, let’s take the stick out of our own eye and look at the bigger picture.
fistly there is a difference between missing it and being false and secondly no prophet [including christ himself]went without persecution.
Hi Deborah, Reading a few older posts I noticed that in one of them it was mentioned that the five fold ministry no longer has active the Apostols and prophets office that this ended with Christ, since now The Holy Spirit guides us. (I’m paraphrasing what I understood from the post). The problem with that line of thought is that the 5 fold ministry started with Christ (not end there) it continued after The Holy Ghost baptized the church with tongues of fire in Acts chapter two. (by the way Acts is still in effect until the time of the great commision ends (dispensation of grace). Not everyone has all of the 5 fold ministries in one but many have several of them. If the prophets of God are no longer in that ministry then where does it say in the bible that this was to end some 2000 and so years ago? The church still has a five fold Holy Spirit guided ministers.
[Edited by DTW: Please read here: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2011/01/17/are-prophets-for-today-or-has-prophecy-ceased/%5D
[deleted – franny, I am so sorry that you are caught up by a false prophet]
I try to stay outofthis kind of stuff about who’s a “false prophet/prophetss” and stuff and here’s why,I don’t know theiry heart, mind, and spirit. If I catch smoething, I will but otherwise I pray and ask theHoly Spirirt to deal with them and do whatever He needs to do. I’mve even tried to make sure ifI give one I’m on target with the Word of God. I pray for all these guys in media ministry to make sure that they are accurate because we all screw up and there is sucha thi ng as prpohetic music. It’s a little different for everybody. I’m not going to jump onthe bandwagoon either way here. I’m still tryingto feel my way through my own ministry and getting entangeld inthis stuff just grates on me. I understand that we need to be a “church without blemish” before He comes, but I can’t sit there and spend my energy charlatain busting. I’ll let the Holy SPirit do that unless He tells me to say smoething.
All of you who say Kim is a false prophet..do you have anything else better to do with your time? If you were spiritually matured you would recognize a true man or woman of God. It’s the religious that are spiritually blinded, if you would be sold out for Jesus and full of His Spirit then you could discern a true prophet. Who are you? Have you never made a mistake before. You should view Kim’s program..tues and thurs is the Matrix and on saturdays is the Den and if you can’t feel the Presence of God and the anointing when you are watching..well maybe you need to ask the Lord to show you if you have a problem and need to repent.
It’s interesting that Kim Clement claims to be a prophet. (I’ve never heard of the guy before.) But if anyone claims to be a prophet or any kind of man of God, it is incumbent upon us to check him out [1 Thess 5:21 & 1 John 4:1]. Those Scriptures are in the imperative so they are orders, not suggestions.
As Clayton above rightly says: One false prophecy a false prophet makes…
If Kim Clement is truly of God he would be grateful for criticism. The reason being that there are only two kinds of criticism: correct and incorrect.
Jesus Christ Himself said that the prophets were until John.
If we put men above Scripture we become idolators because we put them on a par with God. That’s what every cult leader demands of his/her followers and it’s what practising Catholics do with their popes (as I was taught to do as a child and youth at the Catholic schools I attended), Moslems do with their Imams and Hindus and Buddhists do with their gurus.
We have to be very careful when we esteem men. They are only human. That does not excuse them and it certainly does not excuse us for excusing mere men when they should be rebuked.
So many charlatans make merchandise of God’s people [2 Peter 2:3] because they do not put them to the test.
That is because such Christians already hold a paradigm which will not allow scrutiny of what these people teach. By doing so, they are the ones who are not following biblical principles and are, ironically, critical of those who do.
We have only to look at the chaos caused in this world because of people sheepishly following political and religious leaders.
People are going to do the same with Anti-Christ who will lead them into perdition. Many so-called Christians are going to be led into this perdition. Why? Because they did not check him out by biblical standards.
deborah
>> All of you who say Kim is a false prophet..do you have anything else better to do with your time?
No, I have nothing better to do than WARN people from following false teachers that will lead then right into the pit of hell.
Denotchka
I don’t know what weird unbiblical stuff you are caught up in, but based on your comment what you are doing is wrong and NEW AGE. No where in the bible do we pray to the Holy Spirit, but in the New Age Christianity we have today they do pray to their false Holy Sprit and it does stuff for them, it helps them with visions, it helps them paint artwork, it gives them prophetic utterances that are 100% of the time false, it makes people fall down and lie comatosed on the floor, it makes people feel warm when they are being healed and usually there is a sense of electricity running through the body. When the pastor calls down fire on the people he his unknowingly calling upon the false holy spirit to sweep over the people. This spirit is called Kundalini and it has infested the church as it stands today, each and every church is riddled with it, so in esses the Church is no more. I hope you read this Denotchka and you something inside of you clicks as the genuine BIBLICAL HOLY SPIRIT warns you that what you are involved in is not of God and that you need to get out and turn to the real Jesus Christ of the Bible.
shannon
So you are comparing Kim Clement to Jesus Christ? Are you saying that Jesus was sinful and prophecied falsely?
Kae
I find it utterly amazing how you people can compare Kim Clement to Jesus Christ on ANY level. SHOCKING.
Ok I just want to say you really are ignorant about prophecy. You should pray for revelation, seriously. I have received personal prophecy from him and it has come to pass. I sow in his ministry and amHIGHLY BLESSED. You should be careful who you speak against! Do not speak out of ignorance.
jennthewarrrior
>> Ok I just want to say you really are ignorant about prophecy. You should pray for revelation, seriously. I have received personal prophecy from him and it has come to pass. I sow in his ministry and amHIGHLY BLESSED.
Deuteronomy 13:1-4
13 “If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods’—which you have not known—‘and let us serve them,’ 3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the Lord your God is testing you to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice; you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him
>> You should be careful who you speak against! Do not speak out of ignorance.
Deuteronomy 18:22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.
So you see according to scripture, your threats mean nothing.
>> I sow in his ministry and amHIGHLY BLESSED.
You are following after a false prophet jennthewarrior, all because you want to be blesses by the god of mammon. And yes you are being blessed, Satan wants to keep you right were you are, in his claws.
Kim Clement is a false teacher and preaches a false gospel and belongs to the New Order of Latter Rain – which was banned in 1947 by the Assemblies of God Church of the time. But unfortunately managed to spread out again and has now swept the globe. You need to make a choice Jenn, choose the Living God of the Bible of Kim Clements god of Mammon.
Note to all the “marks” (that’s carnival talk for the suckers)…prophecy is not “fortune-telling.” You have been duped…and big time by ministers of darkness masquerading as “angels of light”. But perhaps, you were appointed as to such; God sending a strong delusion, that you would believe a lie…having not received the love of the truth. Repent.
Jenn, you have been taken in by a wile of the enemy. You might just as well have gone to a psychic, had a reading prediction and it came true. Of course Satan can counterfeit true gifts of the Spirit and you have fallen into his trap as have so many others who seek after signs. And you are now participating in the works of Satan by suupporting this false teacher. Think about that. You are the one who should be careful and listen to those who have been called by the Lord to expose false prophets. This is done out of love for the Lord, not out of hatred toward any person but Satan.
Debs,
I want to say that I really appreciate the fact that many of these deceived, gullible and men followers actually have the courage to read and comment on this blog. It means there is still hope for them. They spew their nonsense at you, but their conscience is there, and the Holy Spirit convincing power is at work, at least for some, for those who LOVE THE TRUTH, and these few will come to the knowledge of the truth and be set free from believing and following lies.
I would say most people would read and not even dare to comment, are too coward and bound by the evil one.
As a side note: Is it not the same thing that is happening in our democracies and has resulted in the bad political leaders and systems we have?
May God strenghten you in your resolve to contend for the faith once delivered unto the saints.
We are all human and we miss hearing God correctly at times. We make mistakes and that does NOT make you a false prophet.
Wilma,
Jesus warned that we should take heed not to be deceived by false teachers (Matthew 24:4). Are you going to obey Him or not?
Preaching a false Gospel or a false doctrine is not merely a little mistake. It is a very serious matter and can lead you to hell.
I disagree with all that has been spoken against kim clement.
You have taken what he has said out of context jsut as satan does. You are the false one trying to lead the children of GOD away from the truth of JESUS CHRIST.
THE PROPHET KIM CLEMENT HAS SPOKEN WHAT THOUS SAITH THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY..I BELIEVE. BECAUSE WHAT WAS SPOKEN HAS COME TO PASS SO WHO IS THE FALSE ONE HERE? YOU ARE!!
barbara redes,
You are welcome to disagree.
However, remember one thing. You will suffer the same judgments as all the false prophets you follow.
Kim Clement, for some reason, disgust me even more than Benny Hinn. I think it because he so cheapens everything he touches. I believe him to be a womanizing, thieving, false profit. He is a moderately talented musician and could never make it in the music industry. He is a horrid communicator and frequently misuses/mispronounces the English language. So, he resorts to self-indulgent false prophesy. I pity those foolish enough to follow his stupidity. He is and should be loathed by the legitimate functional world. We all have issues, but he sells and is proud of his – deception.
When I was a broken young man,I visited on of his revivals in Taylor MI. He had never seen me and the prophecy he spoke to me was 100% accurate. I can say almost 20 year later it came truth. He 100% accurately identified a sickness my father had, who was also with me. He 100% explained yet another issue I had concerning my dad. He even knew my dad was a pastor. I am a strong skeptic and point out “smoke and mirrors”. This man was the real deal. Say what you may. I’m speaking from personal experience. He prophecy is still playing out to this day, the way he said it would.
Min East
Satan knows you better than you know yourself quite clearly. Do you think he is stupid? Of course not – he is super intelligent. He even knows the bible inside and out. Satan knew what sickness your father had, and most certainly knew he was a pastor. This has got nothing to do with smoke and mirrors, this is satanic fortune telling/divination. And if anything came to pass years later it’s because Satan made sure it did as you held onto this prophecy expecting that it must come true. All Satan has done is blinded you into believe in a false teacher and his false teachings. This is what the bible has to say:
Acts 16:16-18 “16 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying: 17 The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation. 18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.”
Please read: Are Prophets for Today or has Prophecy Ceased?
Hi,
I read this from Nate.
You mention Jonah speaking a word that did not come to pass.
Uh, I see a lot of people try and twist scripture o.k. but let’s really examine this mighty man of God.
Firstly when He did go to nineveh he proclaimed the word of the Lord, the word reached the highest authority in the land and the king called a fast and called for repentance. repentance was made God relented. if they had not listened the word would have been performed without question. Jonah did his job He spoke as the Lord commanded, God Himself relented, Jonah became angry”is this not what I said in my own country” The entire story of Jonah is a clear depiction of the heart of God. When you repent does God forgive you? So does that mean God is false because He relents from your own punishment?
He says you will die in your sins. Do you see. it is the heart of God depicted in Jonah, he obeyed the Lord, even the men on the ship got saved. Jonah understood the character and heart of God that is why he didn’t want to go, to him it was a waste of time, I will go they will repent why bother, God’s heart is why it mattered.
Please don’t be so silly as to undermine the prophet and equate him with something false.
I confronted Kim many years ago, He at that time told me I am one false prophet who loves Jesus.
I mean Deb I dub this the spaghetti prophetic crowd, say as many words as you can and if some sticks you can claim to be a prophet. The one thing missing in all of these “prophets” is the accuracy of the Lord. I do not believe God stopped doing anything but I don’t believe the amount of deception that has been tolerated by the church. We have truly backslidden and are at this time in scripture in the place where we have heaped up for ourselves the ear ticklers.
I don’t know, do people just not realize we really are going to stand before Jesus or do they just not care?
They I am sure will when He judges us. man alive. I am one of the people set apart to deal with the deceptions and witchcraft operating in the church. Deb. Please pray for me. And anyone else who reads this. My name is William Mino I am called of the Lord Jesus Christ. I stand in Him I adhere only to Him I do not even believe the amount of wickedness that is within His own body. I am only one of a company of people God has set apart but we are coming very soon and we are going to move in Him. The reality of God is going to be shown, the fear of the Lord will come upon His people and order will once again be returned. We are absolutely facing some serious things, some of these will try and harm us. Some will try and kill me the Lord as he always does has warned me ahead of time. If my life is required to fulfill the ministry My life is His but I mean wake up church we have the enemy running rampant in our widst and the people love it so.
This is not only a major problem it is a devouring of the Lord’s own body. He is not shoecked He was faully prepared before the world even came into existence. Even paul had to deal with “super apostles’ and now, what a joy, so do I and others. Now, the lates book to be released is proof of how far we really have gone from the Lord, the physics of heaven.
God have mercy on us. Please, Please pray for me and pray for the people God has set aside. watch and see this come to pass for it is true and sure and is so extremely sad. I truly hope people turn to Him or they will die in their sins some of them may even be named ananias and saphira, Only God knows what is to take place and how but this is the truth and what is going to happen. Please, pray every day for me I am one called to defend you. All of this stuff will come to an end. how, only God knows but the world is getting darker and His own house must come into order. Real verses false, light verses darkness this is the truth of the Lord and will come to pass. Real prophets exist, we walk in strict obedience and are adamant scripture is upheld and adhered to in it’s purity there are far fewer than is represented, right now I am hidden away and am currently in a very serious season fasting and praying and I know a lot of others are similarly hidden away when we come forth it will be for lack of a better expression like a horse gate we are already at the gate waiting for the command to go. The Lord has no choice He has to defend His children for though we have stupidly allowed this stuff His people are led away from Him and are being destroyed.
Please pray for me.
God bless you as you continue to seek Him.
-William
Oh, ic , deb. Please don’t you attack me sis, you will give an account for it.
satan can’t make words come to pass, think about what you are saying here. False prophets are known when the word doesn’t come to pass. think about that and look at what you said.
You cannot stand before the risen Lord and tell Him I am false.Well, I guess you could but that wouldn’t be too wise. Is this what I am to lay my life down for?
Perhaps you maybe need to understand that God doesn’t change, Jesus is the same, yesterday, today and forever. It is he who gives and He has not changed.
man alive I didn’t even realize you were yourself speaking these things. Either way you will see this come to pass but I don’t understand at all how you can say these things. I guess there has been such abuse it is easier to toss it out but that is not true and your very words are going to be proven wrong sis.
That aside. please pray for me because that is exactly what I am and exactly what I am called to do.
-William
William
Attack you? Where did I mention your name directly? No William.
Satan CAN make words come to pass – not like God can though. We are talking about two different kinds of prophecy here. Satan tells his prophets what to say and Satan’s follows later do the deeds (unknown to them) to make it appear that what he has said is true. So for instance, Clement will get a word from his ‘god’ that something is going to happen. Satan’s followers will make that thing happen and the false prophet will say, ‘see God speaks to me’ – and all his little followers say hip hip horay.
William
>> I am only one of a company of people God has set apart but we are coming very soon and we are going to move in Him.
Are you different to God’s born again children and if so why are you different?
Hey Sis,
Thanks for clarifying. People definitely try to bring things to pass only what God says He alone brings to pass.
Am I different? No I am saved but each has their own purpose. I belong to Jesus as does anyone else who truly follows Him but there is much to be dealt with and now evil is operating in a prominent way within the church and there are people God has set apart in order to confront and deal with it.
please keep me in prayer folks this is really serious and something that should never have been allowed to begin with
Thanks for clarifying Sis,
-Will
William
>> there are people God has set apart in order to confront and deal with it?
Really? I am confused. Where is this in the bible? Can you tell me. You say it’s too much to deal with? Nope, we here at DTW deal with everything so please go ahead and explain.
The purpose of each born again child of God is to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ. What is this purpose you speak about?
May my Jesus forgive you for slamming and arguing against Kim Clement so harshly. He does admit that he’s not perfect, and neither are any of us because we’re NOT Jesus, who was and always will be perfect. I don’t believe that very many of you are following his prophecies over the years as I have. I don’t believe that your criticisms are of God either or you would try to understand the high prophetic calling God has given him. This man loves the Lord and is sacrificing his time and energy more than any of us. Kim is in Israel at this time, and has put his Boots on the Ground. God will bless those who bless Israel. He has grown in the Lord and is moving forward and has drawn closer to the Lord than his earlier days.
Carolyn
If Kim Clement was a true prophet of God his prophecies would have been perfect (100%). None of God’s OT prophets were perfect but their prophecies were ALL perfect (100%).
God says Kim Clement is a liar and yet you say God has given him a high prophetic calling. Do you want to perish with him?
First of all it’s one thing to expose a false prophet, and quite
another to say that there are no real prophets today, in
this day and age. Anyone who would think that has obviously
not read their bibles. The following scripture is contained in
1 Corinthians, which was written by the apostle Paul who was
saved after Jesus died.
Yet read these words carefully:
1 Corinthians 12:8 For to one is given through the Spirit the word of
wisdom, and to another the word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit
9 to another faith in the same Spirit and to another
gifts of healings in the one Spirit 10 and to another workings
of MIRACLES, and to another PROPHESY; and to another discerning of
Spirits to another DIVERSE KINDS OF TONGUES, but all these worketh
the one and same Spirit, even to each one severally as HE WILL!!
The apostle Paul,one of the greatest disciples to have ever lived,
says the Spirit of God appoints some to PROPHESY. That means that
TRUE prophets of God are sent by God and equipped by GOD!!
Here’s another one for anyone who thinks prophesy and speaking in tongues
is not (or is no longer) of God:
1 Corinthians 14:39….Therefore, my brothers and sisters be eager
to PROPHESY and NOT FORBID SPEAKING IN TONGUES;40 But all things
must be done PROPERLY AND IN AN ORDERLY MANNER.
Just because someone does not operate strongly in a particular gift, does
not mean God does not use someone else in that gift….He says the weapons
of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down
of strongholds.2 Cor. 10:4
1 Cor. 1:27 says “But God chose the foolish things of the world,
to confound the wise and the weak things to confound the strong…”
I am in agreement that false prophets and false shepherds must be exposed
but lets not be on a witchhunt for these things. We must allow the Lord
to lead us. On our own we are not capable of making sound judgement!
Even Jesus was called an imposter. The word says a prophet is not welcome
in his own hometown. Sort of familiarity breeds contempt as the saying
goes. Lets judge prophesy by God’s standard only. If it does not line
up with the word of God and only causes fear and confusion, it is
not from the Lord.
Linda
Please read: Are Prophets for Today or has Prophecy Ceased?
You are confused with the 2 types of prophecy in the bible, the one is to teach (FORTH TELLING of the truth of the Word of God) the other is to FORETELL the future. Make sure you understand the difference. And then you will see that prophecy has ceased and the gift of inspired preaching and teaching remains.
Also read this article: Speaking in Tongues
I really do feel sorry for you. You want to deny that the 5 fold ministry is still in operation. Paul was converted after the resurection of Jesus. You seem to not want to believe The Holy Bible in that men were inspired of the Holy Spirit to write it. If you dont believe one part then to you it is all false. Just when was the big announcement made that the 5 fold ministry was over and done with. I never heard it and ive been a believer for decades. What do i mean God gave some to be Apostles Prophets Evangelists Pastors and Teachers. When did God say The Holy Bible is over and done with or that it is a lie? I still never heard when that was done. Holy Bible says touch not my annointed and do my prophets no harm.
Now look if you will at the Book of Revelation. Should we say that John the Beloved was a false prophet since all this time it has not come to pass. God forbid. It was his experience of what he was shown. Are you unaware that prophecy are tellings of things to come. Joseph told of the years of plenty and the lean years and saved many from death. It was something to happen in the future. God doesnt always give a time frame of saying on this date or that this will take place. If the 5 fold ministry even one part of it is over and done with then it all is. Better tell those trying to evangelize and win people to Jesus. Better tell all those that are preachers. Better tell the teachers. Better tell apostles and prophets. Jesus said this world will pass away but my words will not pass away. Refer back to The Holy Bible what it says on a subject before attacking any. I dont belong to any denomination before you ask that. I believe in Jesus as my savior and Lord. And allow The Holy Spirit to lead me into all truths. At least when my flesh doesnt get in the way. Much the same like other humans do. You can choose not to believe The Holy Bible and that all of the 5 fold ministry as its called is still going on its your choice. Others do believe it is. I believe it is. You have your beliefs on things others have theirs. Where does anyones beliefs line up with the word of God. It does not change.
It gave this avatar and since i dont know where to change it guess am stuck with it. Oh well.
Dear Jo
>> Should we say that John the Beloved was a false prophet
Of course not because he is in the Bible, Kim Clement is not mentioned in the bible. False Prophet Kim Clement – A Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing
Please read:
Are Prophets for Today or has Prophecy Ceased? Plus read comments.
False Foundation of Five-Fold Ministry
Thank you
Kim Clement’s ministry is currently teaching their audience how to do unusual prayers and asking God to strike down and kill their foes. Mistake me if I’m wrong, but isnt it a sin to pray for the death and destruction of another human being? Well, apparently 2016 is going to be a year of many unusual deaths around the U.S. Just a heads up, time to plead the blood of Christ over your life and other fellow Christians.
Thank you Jill for you comment.
Bible is pretty clear on this. It’s in the 10 commandments, Thou shalt not kill. Clearly Kim Clement is evil, that he disobeys one the the most important commandments hand down by God to men.
Yes, I would like to say that Kim Clement will have to deal with God about any thing he says and put God’s name on it. God knows every man heart and motives. A question for all people to ask their self is : Is every word I speak is of God. Is my motives pure? So, before we try to pluck a splinter in our brother’s eye we need to tend to our plank in our own eye’s. I have also seen people looking for any false in the five fold ministry. We are not God and God does have something to say about slander against others. I would be more conceren about our walk with God then looking at the faults of others. So what is the war between the body of christ, fault finding, jealous of another, the big war that is coming is between the body of christ against each other. In many other states and countries is happening already. A true warrior of christ never leaves a wounded warrior!
True watchman and gate keeper never stops praying or spiritual watchman, gate keeper.
A true warrior are the front lines to protect the body of christ. We need to pray for Kim Clement and holding him up to the Lord.
I don’t know what every body else will do but I truly hope and pray the body of Christ is more careful of touching God’s anointed. It’s God’s job to speak to the people if there is false hood in the camp,, He does not need our help, Mr. Kim Clement, I would like to say I have listen to and bought your materials, teaching tapes and so on, God has used them greatly in my life and many others and this to will pass. Another storm and you and your family will soar above this storm as well. God speed and my heart goes out to you and famkily and prayers as well. Rhonda
Rhonda wrote:
Testing the spirits is not slander. It is a command of God every Christian must obey. If you don’t, you are more concerned with your own walk with God and be damned with the rest. Do you call that love?
Now, you decide whether you want to obey God and warn your brethren against false teachers and prophets like Kim Clement so that they may escape the fangs of wolves in sheeps clothing or let them be devoured by them because you don’t care about their spiritual well-being
Perhaps you can help me. Where in Scripture do you see Paul praying for false teachers? He prayed for the sheep who were being led astray by them. That is precisely why he wrote the following.
You may laud and applaud the false teachers until doomsday but beware of this:
If this does not make your knees knock with fear and trembling, I don’t know what will.
Dear Rhonda
The idea of a 5 fold ministry is just nonsense. Please read this article: False Foundation of Five-Fold Ministry
Please note the following as well, Jesus names his Apostles by person, who are the ones who were to establish the church and do miracles.
Matthew 10:1-8
1 Jesus called his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits so they could cast them out and heal every kind of disease and sickness.
2 Now these are the names of the twelve apostles: first, Simon (called Peter), and Andrew his brother; James son of Zebedee and John his brother;
3 Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James the son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus;
4 Simon the Zealot and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed him.
5 Jesus sent out these twelve, instructing them as follows: “Do not go to Gentile regions and do not enter any Samaritan town.
6 Go instead to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 As you go, preach this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven is near!’
8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. Freely you received, freely give.
Today’s Apostles are what the the Apostle Paul calls ‘super Apostles’ they want to be Apostles but they can’t be. ‘Chiefest Apostles’ or “Super-apostles” is probably the sarcastic title Paul gave to the false apostles who were troubling the Corinthian Church. Perhaps it was even a name they had taken for themselves, like C. Peter Wagner from the NAR who calls himself ‘Apostolic Ambassador’.
2 Corinthians 11:1-6
1 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.
2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
5 For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles.
6 But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been throughly made manifest among you in all things.
As you can see false Apostles is not a new thing Rhonda. Listen to what the bible says not what some ‘super Apostle’ wannabe Apostle tells you.
I’m not trying to attack fellow believers but you should be utterly embarrassed about this blog post. The quote you posted is not even remotely him admitting he is a false prophet. Why would he admit it if he is trying to deceive people? The whole point of a false prophet is to trick people into following false gods right? Return your focus to Jesus and quit calling every one false prophets. It’s just ridiculous at this point.
Hi Anthony,
Would you say Kim Clement is a false prophet and why?
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
Don’t worry about anyone doing to hell. If you investigate the scriptures, you’ll find that the Bible teaches that death is the penalty for sin, not eternal torment. While Bible translations use the word ‘hell’, it is not found in either the Old Testament Hebrew, nor the New Testament Greek. In the Old Testament, the Hebrew word ‘sheol’ is used to describe the fate of both the good as well as the bad. It is the grave. In fact, when God warned Adam about the penalty facing him should he sin, He merely stated that man would return to the ground from whence he came. Therefore, since He did not warn Adam about any other penalty, if he were to then send man to eternal torment, He would prove to be extremely unjust, and also a liar. That would also make God a sinner. Think about it and let it sink in. Now the New Testament contains another word, a Greek word which is the equivalent of the Old Testament Hebrew word ‘sheol’ and that word is ‘hades’. We know that it means exactly the same thing because in Acts 2:27, Peter uses the word ‘hades’ when quoting a verse from Psalm 16:10, in which the word ‘sheol’ is used. In every New Testament passage in which Hades is used, it refers to the grave. There is another word that is used only once, and is mistranslated from the Greek. That word is ‘tartaroo’, and the translators obviously confused this verb with the heathen Greek noun, ‘tartarus’, and so was forced to translate ‘tartaroo’ into five words to make it fit (cast them down to hell). However, since it is a verb, it cannot mean ‘hell’, which is a noun. The true meaning of ‘tartaroo’ is that God ‘degraded’ the sinful angels, who were now in a dishonored condition, and with it took from them the ability to materialize [confining them in chains of darkness]. The final word translated ‘hell’ is ‘gehenna’, which by the way no longer exists in its fiery form. Gehenna means ‘the Valley of Hinom’, and was located outside the city of Jerusalem. It is where the ancient disobedient Israelites cast their babies to Moloch (Baal), but was later transformed into the city garbage dump. Jesus used this place as a metaphor to explain that all evil shall one day be annihilated, or burned up, just as the fires which burned in Gehenna totally consumed all that was cast into it, but that the godly will live forever. In Revelation 20:14, it doesn’t speak of gehenna, but instead uses another symbol, ‘the lake of fire’. Just as gehennal is not a literal place, neither is the Lake of Fire, for we read that not only will those who refuse to reform be cast there, but also ‘hades’ (mistranslated ‘hell’) and the condition of ‘death’. Now, since neither the grave (hades), nor the condition of death could experience pain, it would be impossible for them to be tortured. The ‘Lake of Fire’ is a symbol of total destruction. It is at this point that the scripture is fulfilled which says, “the last enemy to be destroyed is death” (1 Cor. 15:26). After death is destroyed, perfected mankind obtains
eternal life on a paradise earth. Many theologians are aware that these things are true, yet they choose to cleave to a lie. But of course that lie makes God out to be unjust, both because He never warned Adam about a future place of torment, but also the punishment is itself unjust. For if a man lives to be one hundred years of age, and if he sins wickedly every day of those hundred years, how could Justice ever defend sending him to be tortured for a billion billion billion years? Those who teach the eternal hell fire doctrine insist that this man’s suffering will not even cease after that long period, for we are told that it will continue forever and ever. This teaching also would have us believe that God isn’t as loving as the scriptures teach, for it would have us believe that He is quite cruel, and having less love than any human being. This teaching insists that He must also be quite unwise, for we’re told that God imparts to all human beings an immortal soul that can never die (even though Jesus stated that God can destroy both man’s body and soul). We know that God is all-knowing, and was not taken by surprise when Adam and Eve sinned. Therefore it wouldn’t be very wise for Him to give them both an immortal soul, knowing that after they sinned, God would be unable to destroy them. This teaching also pictures God as very weak, for how could He be All-mighty if He was unable to destroy something that He created (their ‘immortal’ souls)? The Bible clearly states that “the soul [human being] that sinneth, it shall die.” It does not say that the person who sins shall be roasted and toasted forever and ever. Many of the so-called verses used to defend the hell fire teaching are found in the highly symbolic book of Revelation, and cannot be understood if taken literally. Likewise, the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31) is filled with symbolism, and pertains to the condition that would come upon the Jewish nation in 70 AD, when the Roman general, Titus besieged Jerusalem, and leveled it to the ground. The Jewish nation died, and went to hades, the grave, while the gentiles embraced the Gospel and immediately became children of Abraham (through the promise, ‘in thee and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed’). While the seed of Abraham after the flesh (Jews) was likened to ‘the sand of the seashore’ (earthly), the spiritual seed (the Church) was likened to ‘the stars of the sky’ (heavenly).
I encourage you to study these things out, for then you will be able to stand on the truth of God’s Word, instead of myths created by the backslidden Catholic church. God bless you.
Ray wrote:
If there is no hell then Jesus suffered and died on the cross for nothing. Moreover, his resurrection, ascension and his seating at the right hand of his Father also mean nothing. In fact, your view of death and hell obliterates the entire Gospel. Have you never read John 3:16?
Your rendering looks like this.
So, why do we have so many graveyards where both believers and unbelievers are buried? Why doesn’t God save the believers from the grave which is the punishment for both believers and unbelievers, that’s if the grave, as you said, is the correct meaning of hell? According to you, believers also go to hell (the grave) when they die which makes God a liar because He’s not honoring his promise “should not perish [in the grave] but have eternal life.”
OK, so your next argument will be that man is not merely a being with a body but also a spirit and a soul. Aha! now that brings us closer to the meaning of spiritual death which tells us that physical and spiritual deaths are two distinctly different things. It tells us that the body goes to the grave when the spirit leaves the body and the spirit goes . . . where? – to the grave as well? I don’t think so.
What did Jesus mean when He said: “Let the dead bury their dead” in Luke 9:60? He could not have meant that the physically dead should bury their physically dead, could He? I don’t think so. The living ones to whom He referred as being dead must have been spiritually dead whilst their bodies were not yet in the grave (hell, as you say). This obviously brings us to the term “second death.”
If hell is merely the grave (Hades), as you believe, then the grave (Hades)” will be cast into the grave (Hades). Silly? You bet!
If Revelation is merely symbolic and cannot be taken literally then everlasting life cannot be taken literally as well. As you can see, you are the one who is making God a liar.
it looks like Deborah put you in your place. If you believe Kim, then I can tell you you will also believe the antichrist. Why. Because you have no discerment. Come on snap out of it.
I notice that Deborah cannot leave a sensible reply. All responses are of a facetious nature with snarky remarks. That tells me all I need to know about this web site’s credibility.
True Believer wrote:
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True Believer:
Just wanted to say *Thank You!*
I found this site when I heard that Kim had passed. I was not real familiar w/him, so not a big fan. I had my doubts when I heard him speak, but that’s what the Holy Spirit is for, right?
I would not condemn him, however. I just didn’t tune in, when he was on. Like w/many others, who I find to be quite ‘deceiving’. But they get their ‘air time’ b/c they pay for it, I guess.
I do believe there *are* prophets today. They are few, however. But as the times grow shorter, God said He would raise them up. Dreams, visions, etc. I’ve had them myself. So I know them to be true.
I also believe things a few here, do not, b/c I have studied alone & w/others, & find them to be Scriptural. For that, I say ‘To each his own’. It’s not going to cause anyone to lose their Salvation in Jesus.
Just sad, that some may be taking what’s here as ‘gospel truth’, when it’s ‘questionable’ at best. We’ll all ‘know’ when things happen & when we face our Father @ judgement. That’s for sure!
Those blessed w/the guidance of Christ’s Holy Spirit, will be led by Him, in His Word & His Truth. The main thing in these days as they are now, is to get the Good News out, to those who desperately need to ‘know’. And get it out in ‘love & kindness’, as Jesus Himself did.
I fully agree w/you, even if others do not, b/c being ‘right’ is more important.
I agree with ‘some’ of the opinions & comments so far, but as I kept reading…. my spirit rustled.
Then, the breath of ‘fresh air’ appeared in you. 🙂
I don’t even know if you’ll see this, b/c of the 5 yrs. that has passed. Or, maybe it won’t be posted. 😉
I will continue to read more comments when time allows. Just had to comment now, on yours. Hopefully, you will see it.
May you continue to be blessed with Wisdom, Truth & Discernment in Christ.
Jojo quoted True Believer saying
This is a mantra the Emergent Church is using very effectively to annul biblical doctrine. Rick Warren was one of the very first false prophets to use it to the advantage of his Purpose Driven Life” and “PEACE PLAN” He coined the infamous phrase “Deeds not Creeds.” Now, if you are a Warren admirer you would say that he serves others in love as Jesus did. Really? Jesus (the real biblical One) inspired John to write:
As you can see, those who does not abide in God’s doctrines have never been saved. You may do as much good as you want in your service to mankind but if your service does not align perfectly with His doctrines, your service means nothing, nada, zilch.
Now let’s examine Kim Clement’s doctrine on sin. He said in an interview Matt Crouch had with him on TBN:
Now, if True Believer perchance agrees with Kim Clement and hail him as one of the most illustrious servants mankind ever knew, “True Believer” should ask himself/herself, “Am I really a True Believer?”
Jesus’ main purpose for coming to earth was, “to seek and to save that which was lost.” (Luke 19:10) and not to serve the poor, the destitute and the marginalized and hence make the world a better place as the Emergent Church believes.
nate wrote:
God will destroy Nineveh (Jonah 3:4) – “Then Jonah began to go through the city one day’s walk; and he cried out and said, “Yet forty days and Nineveh will be overthrown.”
God won’t destroy Nineveh (Jonah 3:10) – “When God saw their deeds, that they turned from their wicked way, then God relented concerning the calamity which He had declared He would bring upon them. And He did not do it.”
The solution to this apparent contradiction is very simple. When we examine the Bible, we must look at all of what it says on a subject. If we focus on a small area we will not have the full picture and cannot see the answer that is so often before us. God says in Jeremiah 18:8, “if that nation against which I have spoken turns from its evil, I will relent concerning the calamity I planned to bring on it.” We see that the Lord has said He will not bring judgment if that nation turns from its sin. Nineveh did turn from its sin after Jonah gave them the warning from God.
“Then the people of Nineveh believed in God; and they called a fast and put on sackcloth from the greatest to the least of them. 6When the word reached the king of Nineveh, he arose from his throne, laid aside his robe from him, covered himself with sackcloth, and sat on the ashes. 7And he issued a proclamation and it said, “In Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles: Do not let man, beast, herd, or flock taste a thing. Do not let them eat or drink water. 8″But both man and beast must be covered with sackcloth; and let men call on God earnestly that each may turn from his wicked way and from the violence which is in his hands. 9″Who knows, God may turn and relent, and withdraw His burning anger so that we shall not perish?” (Jonah 3:5-9).
Therefore, we that because Nineveh repented, God turned from the destruction He had earlier declared.
Thank you for your comment and I agree with you Nate. These critical people wouldn’t know a prophecy if it bit them in the butt!! So sad cause they have condemned and judge a prophet of God falsely and by their own standards. I never get on these sites for this very reason — they hang everybody but themselves. I’m sure they don’t mind burning up the buffet bar or some nice juicy gossip or even to criticize their own pastors or leaders over lunch but I know of many prophets and prophetess of God that prophesy the true word of God and if they miss a detail or get something wrong it does not make them a FALSE prophet it makes them a Wrong prophet!! Are we not human?? No wait I guess you great ministers of the Gospel have never made a mistake!! Thanks Nate for allowing me to rant on your comment but you are the only one I saw that has some common sense!! God bless you!!
Tina Hamilton,
The irony is that you have been bitten by a false prophet who lied many times.
Kim Clement taught his followers to worship another Jesus. He explains in his own words concerning the teachings of sin, grace and salvation.
Are you going to allow a false prophet to lead you to hell?
Tina Hamilton wrote:
True prophecies do not come from humans. God inspires true prophets to say what He wants them to say. Do you really believe that God is a liar, inspired by Satan (John 8:44) to make prophets who are but humans to lie on his behalf? You are making a mockery of the God of the Bible.
Are you saved?
Kim Clement is dead. Prophecy fulfilled! Period!!
Not saying I know whether Kim was a “true” or a “false” prophet ( not even sure I believe in prophecy itself)- but I’d love to see how some of you folks would have savaged Jesus had you been alive at the time. You seem so sure you could have told the difference.
Anthony Bilotto.
You must be a superb mathematician, so it seems. Your calculation look something like this:
Kim Clement = Jesus Christ. Touché! 10/10? NO, minus 0/10. Try again and perhaps you may just learn that Kim Clement was NOT Jesus Christ.
Renee
So, you don’t mind men like Kim Cl;ement to make snarky remarks wboud Jesus Christ and his Gospel?
he seemed to be accurate in,recent prophetical comment re, presidential race, given that i never read or listened to too much, more read headlines and articles on Christian sites and forums.
God bless
Alyosha
ps, thank you guys so much for running this excellent site
Billy,
You are commanded to test all spirits and not to believe everything you hear without testing it against the Word of God. Anything short of this is blatant disobedience to God. Is that what you want and aim for in life?
In 2007He said that Trump will be the president and on November 2016 Trump become president. So stop judging. God allowed him to see it before he went to be with Him (The Lord)
Eunice,
Many people predicted that Trump would become the next president of the USA. What makes Kim Clement so special? There are many things he predicted that did not come about.
http://www.endtime-prophets.com/kimclement.html
Alyosha
you said “he seemed to be accurate”
So? 🙂
DearRenee
I noticed that you can’t leave a sensibly reply either, so that tells me all I need to know about you and your credibility.
I haven’t heard anyone comment on Acts 2:17. Certainly Peter thought it would be true that in the last days that God would pour out His Spirit on all people. “Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your
young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.”
I believe that we are certainly getting close to the “last days”.
Dear Dave
>> I believe that we are certainly getting close to the “last days”.
Very close to those days, the Tribulation in fact is around the corner…
Please read this article: Your Sons and Your Daughters Will Prophesy, But Not Yet… : https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/12/01/your-sons-and-your-daughters-will-prophesy-but-not-yet/
You guys sound like the republicans trying to destroy trump, even though the people voted for him… fighting within is not cool
Dear cathy simmons
You said “You guys sound like the republicans trying to destroy trump, even though the people voted for him… fighting within is not cool”
As a ‘Christian’….are you a Christian? When it comes to discerning a false teacher from a genuine teacher that preaches the Gospel truth we use the WORD OF GOD, not a voting system.
You said “fighting within is not cool”
You are right, fighting within is not cool, however we are not fighting within, we are fighting satan’s ministers of reighteousness that have crept into the church unawares
“Therefore it is no great thing if his [SATANS] ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.” (2 Corinthians 11:15) and
“For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.” (Jude 1:4) and
“19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.) (2 Corinthians 11:15)
Genuine Christians speak with one voice:
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: (John 10:27)
6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. (Rom 15:6)
cathy simmons wrote:
As Deborah said, we are not a political polling station vying for peoples’ votes. Here’s what we are here for.
It is because of a total lack of discernment and an unwillingness to do as God says, and that is to test and judge all things, that the church is in such a sorry state. Millions are being misled by wolves in sheep’s clothing and they just love it sooooo much.
cathy, here’s a great verse to prove to you that those who follow false doctrines arre not saved.
The only “Wolves” are ones posting perpetual durision and divisiveness within this forum and others like “Let us reason”. If you spent half as much much of time trying to actually yield fruit for the Kingdom -you know, things Jesus did like witnessing, feeding the poor, the widow and fatherless, lifting up one another, bringing unity to the body of Christ?- you might actually produce some. But, since you have none, you attack and deride Kim who actually yields much fruit (I know because am a part of that fuit)unlike most ‘Pastors’ practicing your kind of ‘Religion’. It’s very obvious you guys are scared to death of spiritual gifts and if you don’t remove the veil of pride and durision you may never experience intamacy with the Holy Spirit on that level. You’re talking bad about something you don’t understand and have never experienced. Humble yourself before the Lord and ask Him to lead and guide you. There are more than enough Pharisees and Sadducees in the carnal world… don’t be one of them.
WWJD
Kevin Parish
Your tirade against this site and its authors is so typical of someone who has thrown the Bible, as the only authoritative source to discern between right and wrong, lies, error deceit and the truth out the window, and woefully exchanged it for the so-called prophecies of wolves in sheep’s clothing. The one thing I can see you are doing very well, is to prove that the Bible is the Word of God because it prophesied your own and your prophet’s shenanigans thousands of years ago. Take note!
Another thing I can see you are doing very well is to seek signs and wonders just like the “evil and adulterous generation” in the time of Jesus because they were never satisfied with the sign of Jonas (Matthew 12:39). And by the way, they were the real Pharisees, and not those who were content with the sign of Jonas.
Dear Kevin
I thought you would like to know that the BIBLE (Word of God) actually promotes DIVISION. Yip, you heard me. Let me show you.
1 Corinthians 11:18-19
18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
Do you see what the Bible says? Haaaaaaahhhhhh shocking. There WILL be heresy and division – it is necessary in order that the truth is made manifest.
Kim Clement was an heretic and his heresy lives on, and we speak against him and his lies in order that the truth is made manifest. People must be divided (the wheat and the tares Matthew 13:24-30.) and STOP following a false teacher, so they can TURN to Jesus Christ and follow the TRUTH.
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
Do you still believe your quote/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10v1BJrYaA8&t=638s
Dear Dale
Yes, the bible says:
Deuteronomy 18:20
‘But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’
Donald Trump is a Freemason, he is part of a huge effort to bring about a New World Order. Kim Clement was a Freemason, he was part of a huge effort to destroy the Christian church with occult teaching. That fact that he so called prophesied that Trump would be president in 2014 does not make Clements prophecy from the God of the bible, but insider knowledge from Satan himself who knew Trump would be made president as it’s Satan’s plan in action.
Christians who have been deceived and are sooooo impressed with Kim Clement’s prophecy that Donald Trump would become President of the USA, must know that Satan knows how to fake prophecy and make it look good. Here’s an example. An unknown person who calls him or herself BeyonceFan66 predicted Beyonce’s pregnancy with twins, Trump’s presidency and Brexit, even down to the percentage of the leave EU campaign. (more or less 5 minutes and 27 seconds into the video below).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5CDP2072oI
Kim Clement said, “Prophecy is such a mystery. You don’t even know that you are going to say that.” This alone proves that his prophecies are not of God, even though some of them have come true. Throughout the Bible true prophets knew exactly what they needed tot say because God told them what to say.
Thus saith the Lord,
The Jesus Kim Clement followed and taught others to follow is NOT the Jesus of the Bible. It is another god, as Moses declared in Deut 13. Yes, these false gods were able to predict some future event accurately but the deceived the people into following other gods.
How do I know Kim Clement preached another Jesus? Let’s take a look see. The Jesus of the Bible said,
“Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:” (Joh 16:7-8)
NO, saith Kim Clement, You have always known that you are a sinner without having to be convicted of sin by the Holy Spirit. The beauty of this, however, is that sin is not the issue. The issue is that you have something beautiful inside of you which gives you hope. Here are the exact words he said In an Interview with Matt Crouch on TBN —
The “something beautiful” he spoke of is just another way of saying that everyone has a divine spark within themselves, despite their sins which they supposedly have been aware of all along. It is blatantly New Age, anti-God and anti- Christ.
Let’s assume there is “something beautiful inside of everyone.” Does this so-called “something beautiful” open heaven’s gates to you so that you may enter, knowing all along of your own accord that you’ve been a sinner?
Satan knows Bible prophecy and eschatology far better that you do and most of all how to manipulate his false prophets to twist them to his advantage, and even make it come to pass according to his design. Please stop following and revering Kim Clement who was a false prophet par excellence.
Hi Tom
Ahhh that’s the verse I was looking for (Deu 13:1-5) :nod: but couldn’t find it. Thank you.
That thing inside you is called a SPIRIT. It think it’s mentioned somewhere in the word of God but never mentioned by the dead of spirit who don’t even recognise that it exists within them. Even the religious ones who selectively quote the word of God and condemn the ministries of those who are anointed to bring salvation to the masses. God help us all. There but for the grace of God go I. That’s how I view the sinners out there, not in condemnation and hypocrisy. I believe the Son of God came to save not to condemn. Or so He said. But you can probably debate that too, as the Word of God seems to be flexible to your manipulative ears.
Dear Auskiwi
You said “That thing inside you is called a SPIRIT. It think it’s mentioned somewhere in the word of God but never mentioned by the dead of spirit who don’t even recognise that it exists within them.”
I know of 2 spirits; a demonic spirit and the Holy Spirit. No where in the bible does it say or imply that everyone has the Holy Spirit inside of them but someone people are DEAD as a doornail and don’t recognise it. This almost sounds like Calvinism.
Tell me, how do ‘dead in spirit’ people come to realise they actually have the Holy Spirit in them already? Are they regenerated by God so that they are no longer dead in spirit and then given the gift of faith to believe in Jesus Christ? And then their eyes are opened and walaaaa they realise, “hey, I’ve actually had God’s Spirit in me all along?” Is this what you believe?
The bible says that only when you are born again only then does the Holy Spirit comes to live in you:
Ephesians 1:13-14 “13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.”
John 14:23 “Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.“
Or do you believe the New Age teaching that we all have the Holy Spirit in us and to receive an illumination/awakening from within you need look deep within and find your divine self.
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One would think we Christians would have learned that lesson about casting the first stone, or maybe the lesson about turning the other cheek.
I had never heard of Kim Clement until today, but I don’t see how one guy who claims God spoke to him gets to cast a stone at another man who claims to have communed with the Almighty. Add some highly subjective proof that Mr Clement meant something when making a certain comment, without affording the man an opportunity to defend himself against your claims and what you have is a classic case of hypocrisy.
Based on other deleted comments I’m sure mine will be short lived, but I hope not, because we are all God’s children whether we share the same views or we don’t.
All the best,
Damien
Dear Damien
You said “because we are all God’s children whether we share the same views or we don’t.”
Is a Muslim, Hindu or Buddhist God’s child?
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
I BET YOU FEEL LIKE AN IDIOT NOW! LOOK AT HIS LAST PROPHECY! 😉
Michael wrote:
I don’t agree that prophesy ever died and in these last days there will be more, but, we do have to be discerning of the spirit since there will be many false prophets.
Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Mike
Doing a quick google search reveals that MANY people predicted Trumps victory, in fact I thought it too I just never said so. (And thinking very strongly that something is going to happen is not prophecy by the way). Look at all these unbelievers who predicted/prophesied Trumps victory – all they needed to do was say “And God said…” and they would be classed as religious prophets. And I bet there were a couple of thousand people as well who thought to themselves and friends that Trump would win but never said anything in public so they didn’t make it into the news.
These people predicted a Trump win:
1. Michael Moore – Liberal documentarian / movie producer
2. Michael Finch – American Thinker blogger
3. Helmut Norpoth – State University of New York professor
4. Wayne Allyn Root – Conservative social commentator
5. John Hinderaker – President of the Minnesota-based think tank Center of the American Experiment
6. Allan Lichtman – American University history professor
7. Brian Darling – Former senior communications director and counsel for Senator Rand Paul
http://www.christianpost.com/news/people-who-predicted-donald-trump-victory-171413/
7. And to add to this list…a person by the name of Beyoncefan666 on Twitter predicted Brexit, the Trump presidency and Beyoncé’s baby news – see comment by Tom above with video or here https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/02/beyoncefan666-twitter-account-predicting-future-beyonce-pregnancy
You must feel terribly bright right now. :ohno:
Just so you know:
1. Prophets don’t predict presidential victories or soccer scores.
2. they prophecy to the people about their sinful ways,
3. they prophecy about what’s going to happen to them if they don’t change their ways,
4. they prophecy what God will do for them when they do change their ways and,
5. Prophets always pointed the people to the coming of Jesus Christ in the OT and to the cross in the NT,
6. all genuine Prophets are mentioned IN the bible,
7. the bible says Prophesy (foretelling the future) has ceased. 1 Corinthians 13:8 (Amp) “8 Love never fails [never fades out or becomes obsolete or comes to an end]. As for prophecy (the gift of interpreting the divine will and purpose), it will be fulfilled and pass away; as for tongues, they will be destroyed and cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away [it will lose its value and be superseded by truth].”
8. because the Bible itself is now Jesus Christ’s final Word to us and says everything we need to know about SIN and who to go to for FORGIVENESS, that being Jesus Christ the Son of God Himself.
Dear Lavern :hi:
Acts 2:17 is for Israel not for the church. Tell me this, the church has been in existence for 2000+ years and the Holy Spirit has been all out active drawing people to Jesus Christ, now you are saying that the Holy Spirit will only be poured out in the last days? On who Lavern? Why must God pour out the Holy Spirit on the church in the last days when the Holy Spirit has been here working on the gentiles already from Pentecost? This verse is for Israel! In the last days God is going to turn His attention back to Israel, to His promise to them to save them in the last days – the time of Jacob’s (Israel’s) Trouble.
Its funny how theres a four year term and some still don’t get how long a prophesy unfolds. But yet some has come to pass. I don’t believe you can fully understand the word unless more truths come out as we go forward.
Dear Brian Smith
You said “Its funny how theres a four year term”
Yes, it is funny, because there is no such thing, and it’s sad how you just don’t understand that if a prophet gets just 1 prophecy wrong he is a FALSE PROPHET. But carry on believing lies as Satan is the father of all lies.
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
Hi Debs! “waves”
Damien, that is also what catholics say!! (I should know — the whole lot of my in-laws are catholic.)
CORRECTION!!! “We” are NOT all God’s children….. unless/until we:
John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
Hi RJ
Your comment landed in the SPAM section, but I rescued it. :nod:
Kim Clement was a wonderful man of God! Please taking his words out of context–is not right and down right unacceptable!!! May God bless you and keep yo :hi: u all on the right path to heaven!!
Dear Dot
Please would you mind telling us what words were taken out of context?
Please also would you mind telling us what is the “right path to heaven”?
Ezekiel 13:9
9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign LORD.
If Kim Clement is a False Prophet. He wouldnt be stepping foot in Israel. But somehow got to Tour there? hmmm
http://www.kimclement.com/watch.php?id=KimSeaofGalileeMoment
I don’t need a reply…. I only wanted to point out that sometimes it’s best to not attack someone for what they believe in. The man was praising everything you are suppose to as believer in Jesus.It may not be in scripture but everything so far that he has got from God has been pretty spot on. especially about Our President.And no one said we wouldn’t get a message from God through a Prophet.I far as I can tell from what hes telling me and everyone else is….We get to be the nation that defends Israel When all hell breaks loose. I don’t know about you. But that’s sounds like an honor to me. God Bless You.
Brian Smith
Since when does a good relationship with the nation of Israel make you a true prophet? Antichrist is going to bring peace in the Middle East by signing a covenant with the nation of Israel. Does that make him a true prophet of God? You must be kidding! Kim Clement was a false prophet and predicted many things that never happened the way he allegedly prophesied them. If you feel the need to follow a false prophet, do so by all means but don’t say we never warned you. We never attacked Kim Clement but his prophecies. There’s a difference you know or don’t you? Let me remind you how Paul of Tarsus attacked false prophets and their prophecies.
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Deb, you have a religious spirit and absolutely no relationship with Yeshuah worth speaking of. One day you will be delivered of it, whether in this world or the next, most likely after He says “Depart from me, I never knew you.”
Jamen
Thankfully, I don’t have to listen to you, and your little (dead) prophet Kim Clement. I listen to Jesus Christ the Son of God only and what He says in His Word.
You said “One day you will be delivered of it, whether in this world or the next,”
What next world are you speaking about? You comment sounds like that of Reincarnation. You are either born again and go to Heaven, or you are unsaved and go to hell…no where are you ‘delivered’ in the next world…
Now hang on. God has spoke to me. I asked a question and he relieved the answer. I was troubled about my defending the Republicans over Democrats. The back and forth over talking points. Gay marriage and abortion stuff like that. I believe a conservation Biblical voice in office is better then a liberal do what you want voice. Anyway, so I asked for clarification. In the same voice I hear me reading these words in my mind I heard, “Governments divide and spread fear so you lean on them for comfort and security.”
Wow, I took from that I was okay to continue because my concern is not personal. My concern it that more people witness the word of God.
Anyways, that is a long way to say I have had God talk to me BUT I’m not a prophet. I just ran across this guy tonight. My first question is it verified he recorded these messages before Trump became president? It seems clear he hasn’t been right every time so he isn’t a prophet but, what he is saying about Trump is coming true.
I have to study out Satans possible part in this. I don’t believe in these current days anyone has gone to Heaven and come back. But several claim to have been and report knowing stuff they would seemingly not have know before. So can Satan make you believe something is from God, but really from him?
Dear Ruel :hi:
The Holy Spirit speaks to all born again believers regarding the choices they should make if they ask God. He also convicts you of your sin by letting you know you are doing wrong and must repent to Jesus Christ. But the way God supposedly speaks to these self proclaimed prophets to FORETELL the future is another story all together. 2 types of prophecy in the bible: Are Prophets for Today or has Prophecy Ceased? and Gift of Speaking in Tongues, Prophecy and Healing
You said “My first question is it verified he recorded these messages before Trump became president?”
Trump becoming president was planned by the powers who run the world who are taking orders from Satan who speaks to them. Trump was elected president on the Simpsons cartoon years before anyone in public even believed such a thing could happen. Are the Simpsons and it’s writers prophets from God? Not a chance. Is the Simpsons cartoon a government state approved message broadcaster to freemason’s and others who are part and parcel of the plan that is moving the world into a New World Order? For sure. Google Simsons Cartoon ‘foretelling’ the future.
You said “But several claim to have been and report knowing stuff they would seemingly not have know before.”
The Apostle Paul was raptured ‘caught up’ into heaven. When the Apostle Paul went to heaven he was told not to speak a single word of what he saw.
2Cor 12:3-4
And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knows;)
How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
1) Now why can these people tell us what they saw in heaven but Paul was forbidden?
2) If you study what these people saw in heaven it’s all different. It’s amazing how in 90% of the stories, each Jesus has a different hair colour. Scratch/
4) Most of the people who had these visions are Catholic, the rest follow other strange doctrines.
5) I can make up stuff about heaven if I wanted too and then go off to tell others. Many people’s visions of hell are people being tormented by demons, which is impossible because hell was made by God for Satan and his demons to burn in, along with humans.
6) Satan loves to use children to have these trips to heaven and hell, I mean after all, who would believe that Satan would use a supposedly innocent child to come up with such a story as visiting Jesus in Heaven? https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/01/24/heaven-is-for-real-this-story-is-not/
Bible is clear, once you are dead you can’t come back and you can’t cross over to heaven or hell:
Luke 16:26 “And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.“
When people fall into trances they have visions, they feel like they are sometimes leaving their body or have left their body, but they are very much alive and not in heaven or hell, that is guaranteed because the Word of God says so.
You said “So can Satan make you believe something is from God, but really from him?”
Absolutely, Satan comes to you as an angel of light and he even has messengers of ‘righteousness’. In other words he uses his own disciples (pastors) IN THE CHURCH to spread his false teachings. And for sure he can speak to you, especially when it comes to following false doctrine.
2Cor 11:13-15
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
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Let me clear this up. Kim Clement was NOT a false prophet. I’m not going to say this is blasphemous, a prophet is not God. But you make this claim at your own peril. His prophetic uttering s came to pass. I know this, because I was a skeptic and would watch for results. I watched for many years. God has His own timing, at the same time, we are told to watch and to see if a person claiming to be a prophet should be proven. He was proven. Even his most outlandish mutterings have come to pass. 2004, he declared Trump would be a trumpet. He would be the President. Please. Who in the world thought that would happen. He also said he would clean house. We can see that already. There is more, but I thought that would be the one you would never believe. You don’t have to believe until your are positive, but you better have your facts straight before you attack God’s elect. The consequences could be devastating. It could have been a coincidence, but, someone else stood up publicly to announce him a fraud. That man dropped dead. Again, it could have been his time, but who really knows.
Dear Paulette
You didn’t read a single comment did you? We have spoken about Trump extensively in the comments section. Also Kim Clement has a habit of claiming presidents to be ‘men of God’, he even claimed Obama was ‘God’s man’. https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/11/10/kim-clement-obama-is-gods-man/
You said “you better have your facts straight before you attack God’s elect.”
And how do you know WE are not God’s elect? But you attack us, and you have not a single fact straight. Thankfully Jesus Christ did not come to condemn but to save, instead of speaking a curse over you like you did to us, we pray you come to salvation through Jesus Christ…and not the Roman Catholic Christ and it’s Harlot Mary
John 3:17 “For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”
John 12:47 “And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.”
By the way, your curse is null and void my dear, Jesus Christ who is IN ME has the victory over your demonic mutterings.
1 John 4:4 “Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.”
1 Corinthians 15:57 “But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.”
You said “It could have been a coincidence, but, someone else stood up publicly to announce him a fraud. That man dropped dead.”
Not that I care that I am going to drop dead because I NOT for Kim Clement WAS a FALSE PROPHET who ‘prophesied’ from the mouth of Satan! I however would love to know where you got this info from? Did you make it up?
Kim Clement Prophecy: Mary Will Convert America! Given on March 25,2011 on the Feast of The Annunciation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIa6i5b8Cv0
If you believe all other prophecy by Kim Clement, you will have to believe this prophecy.
Paulette said ” he declared Trump would be a trumpet. He would be the President. Please. Who in the world thought that would happen?”
The Simpsons knew way back in 2000. Check/
https://youtu.be/H3MTPeI-ecM
Wow, Robbie! You’re a star. I never knew the Simpsons were prophets. The Illuminati controlled cartoon industry and movies are the ideal platforms to predict future events and then, through sheer political power and monetary resources, make them come true. Thanks for the valuable info.
Tom they are the best… I get so much more from there “sermons” than from Kim’s.
I wonder how many know they are all on the same stage?… Trump, Hillary, Obama, Bush…
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/508998/The-Simpsons-predictions-september-11-ebola-donald-trump-johnny-depp-conspiracy
Yep, so true. Mammon is there god. I remember how many years ago, while I was still working at the SABC, a colleague of mine said that rich people reach a stage where they are no longer satisfied with their wealth and begin to crave power.
I certainly dont know what to say or what to tell you. My wife was in a congregation while Kim was doing his prophesy. I had suffered from a serious liver condition, although I was never a drinker. He picked her out of the crowd of maybe 1000 people. He told her the pain and suffering of someone she was close to was over. I was at home standing at the sink washing dishes at that moment. The 20 year pain VANISHED! I dont know what it was all about but I can believe that mortals can get it wrong. Well, this is evidence that Kim got it right in this instance.
Hi Samuel
When someone miraculously gets healed from a disease it does not necessarily mean God healed that person. The devil is quite capable of healing illnesses. I watched a TV series on DSTV yesterday, “The Story of God with Morgan Freeman. In it, there was a scene where a Koi-San witch doctor danced in a circle, went into a trance and healed a woman who suffered from back pains and had a severe wound, caused by an infectious disease. Kim may have gotten is right, according to you, but there are a limitless amount of examples where Satan got it right. For instance:
What the girl said was true. Yet Paul immediately realized that it was not God who inspired her to speak the truth. It was a spirit of divination.
May I ask you. Are you saved, Samuel, and if you are would you mind telling us how you got saved?
The Title of this article is not accurate. Kim Clement NEVER said he was a false prophet. Indeed, time has shown Kim to be a TRUE prophet of God. Only discerning minds or true Christians would appreciate that Prophecies and visions may at time take time to materialise.
Fresher
Clearly you didn’t read the article or any comments.
Clearly this didn’t age well. His prophecy was correct and in so many ways. Things he couldn’t possibly know have happened. Not a good idea to put people down.
Tessa
Did all the events he predicted come true? Now, now, be careful how you answer, because you may be putting your prophet down.
this deeply saddens and irritates me that such words are being said ok heres the thing jesus himself was persecuted over his beliefs and just because not all words of prophesy have come to pass yet doesn’t give anyone the right to judge a fellow believer if you truly believe this nonsense you yourselves are corrupt and deceiving those that believe in his ministry we all called heretics freaks insane crazy false worshippers and I beg to differ do not embarrass yourselves with such disdain over a man who obviously rock the boat for many years and spoke of truth in ways that brought about such heresay
Mary Miller
Had your prophets whose words of prophecy never came to pass lived in the Old Testament, they would have been stoned to death on the command of God, Jesus Christ.
But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. (Deu 18:20-22).
Tell me, do you make a habit of comparing Jesus Christ with false prophets? False prophecies have nothing to do with belief or faith or persecution. Being persecuted for doing the wrong things (like lying and telling false prophecies) is an abomination to God.
For this finds favor, if a person endures the sorrow of suffering unjustly because of an awareness of [the will of] God. After all, what kind of credit is there if, when you do wrong and are punished for it, you endure it patiently? But if when you do what is right and patiently bear [undeserved] suffering, this finds favor with God.
Are false prophecies (lying) the will of God? Jesus said that all lies come from the father of lies, Satan himself (John 8:44). Are you prepared to listen to and heed false prophecies (lies)?
Dear Mary
As much as this upsets you so much, I am going to say it again, Kim Clement WAS a spiritualist, his mother was one, he was one too. He was a Freemason as well. He sang his false prophecies like a Pied Piper and all his little followers followed him over the cliff, and now that he is gone his digital legacy of false teaching remains. He is idolized by you and many others; even after his death you speak about him as if he was still alive. Idolatry is a sin. And you commit spiritual adultery with another god for you follow and believe in the same God that Kim Clement did – the god of Freemasonry, Lucifer.
IDOLATRY: When Anything or Anybody Gets What God Alone Deserves
Exodus 20:3-4 “3Thou shalt have no other gods before me. 4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:”
God destroys idols! You have turned Kim Clement into an icon – it is a grave disservice to idolize anything or anybody. The result is God’s wrath, on you and the idol/icon. God will not be overshadowed by Satan who wants to be the like most High (Isaiah 14:14)
Amen, to that!
Deborah and Tom:
Your anger comes through loud and clear and I find that very sad. “And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful” 2 Tim 2:24
Also, your comment above about Donald Trump and new world order is completely false.
Mary
You said: “Your anger comes through loud and clear and I find that very sad.”
Just to let you know what the bible says regarding the type of anger we express: It’s called Righteous anger! Never heard of it? Let me explain to you:
Eph 4:26-27 (KJV)
26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: 27 Neither give place to the devil.
– Righteous anger is a reaction against actual SIN. It arises from an accurate discernment of what is actually evil.
– Righteous anger is motivated by Christ-like biblical concerns because we see how someone (Kim Clement in this case) has offended Jesus Christ and the Body of Christ as a whole with doctrine of demons.
– Righteous anger is expressed when you as a Christian are more concerned with the sin against Jesus Christ than the offense against yourself.
– Righteous anger is accompanied by other Godly qualities and expresses itself in Christ-like ways. The greatest love of all is preaching the gospel truth that people may be snatched out of the fire because of the false doctrines they are following.
Does God allow people to express anger? Absolutely. Man (male) is made in the image of God. Woman was created from Adam. (Genesis 1:27; Genesis 2:4-25) Anger is an emotion that comes with the package of emotions God has given us.
Ps 7:10-11 (KJV)
10 My defence is of God, which saveth the upright in heart. 11 God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.
Please read here to see what more I have to say regarding Righteous Anger: https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2018/09/15/christian-allowed-show-anger/
You said: “Also, your comment above about Donald Trump and new world order is completely false”
Proof please?
Why do you say so? Because in your mind you think he is aiding Israel and therefore he must be godly? No God is using Trump as His instrument to bring about His end time plan. God has used many evil people throughout history to do His will without them even knowing it. Trump surrounds himself with false apostles and prophets to make everyone think he is a Christian. Is Trump a Christian? Nope, see proof in video below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yySSkt_IdOI
Is Trump a master manipulating, egotistical megalomaniac of the highest degree? Yes.
Do we pray for Trump to be genuinely born again? Absolutely.
I have seen many false prophets and I have seen many real prophets…. and Kim clement has a ton of words come to pass and many words that hasn’t came to pass YET !! Kim clement is one of the most anointed prophets I’ve ever seen. he has good fruit like someone earlier said, and he has a deep close relationship with Jesus….. I really feel like this I feel like everyone calls every prophet of this day a false prophet…… the prophetic is for today people !! many have the gifting others walk in the office of the prophet and its real
Dear Doreen
Do you believe you need to be born again?
Kim Clement didn’t, in fact he went out of his way to state that one does not need to be born again. Is that the hall mark of a true Christian?
How on earth can anyone in his right mind follow the teachings and so-called prophecies of someone who is in hell? Unless Kim Clement repented of his evil, he is definitely in hell right this very moment and screaming his head off, “Please send someone that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.”
All I can say after reading the article and all the comments is this: Tom & Deborah, the way you speak in your comments is enough to put anyone off wanting to become a Christian. It’s people like you who act so self righteous that turns off other people and gives Christianity a bad name. Having been born again as a child and coming from a family of born again Christians I can tell you right now this is not how true born again Christians act towards others. I won’t be back to see any self righteous response from you so don’t bother spouting off your nastiness.
I’m sure you will agree that it is not nasty to ask you how you were saved.
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: (1 Peter 3:15)
Would you mind telling us how you were saved?
Dear L Green :hi:
You say you are born again yet Kim Clement says that no where in the Bible does it say you must be born again because the treasure (divine spark) has been inside you all along. See above comment: https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/08/01/kim-clement-admits-he-is-a-false-prophet/#comment-486209
I’m going to ask you very nicely, with lots of love; who’s side are you on, Kim Clements or Jesus Christ’s side?
I am stunned by so much of what I’ve read. The wolves in sheep’s clothing and false prophets are a danger to the Church, but mistakes are not…especially if they are confessed
But one thing I see is lacking, love for one another (which is how non-believers will recognise true believers). True, highlight false teachings always, but it’s bad to condemn people unless they are harming the salvation of others.
Kim said some things presumptuously and those need to be highlighted as false but to condemn the man to hell is not fair, righteous, or our duty. God is judge of his eternal destiny, not us. I’ve made doctrinal mistakes over the years but I’d be horrified if fellow believers labeled me a false teacher.
Blessed are the merciful, especially for those who acknowledge their faults and shortcomings. Peace to all.
Just read Kim doesn’t believe you must be born again. This is a false doctrine that Jesus contradicts when speaking to Nicodemus and should be condemned. This also appears to be something that could bring harm to people’s salvation and therefore identifies Kim as a false teacher, false prophet, and a wolf in sheep’s clothing. If this is true, which it appears to be, we should avoid all his teachings forthwith. Trust Gods Word and you’ll never be deceived! Praise be to the Father and to our Lord Jesus the Christ!
Hi Paul B
The so-called modern-day prophets all claim that God inspires them to prophesy. Has God ever made a mistake? I can assure you that if God makes mistakes then the church is indeed in grave danger. You wrote:
“Blessed are the merciful, especially for those who acknowledge their faults and shortcomings. Peace to all.”
Should false prophets acknowledge in public God’s faults and shortcomings, especially in the light of their claims that God is the One who inspires their prophecies? Lies, deceit and false prophecies come from the devil, my friend, and not from God. (John 8:44). I really think you should examine yourself to see whether you really love God whilst you are so keen to protect false prophets.
Hi Paul B
Yep! We should avoid and also expose ALL false teachers. Was Paul a false teacher who said Jesus did not send him to baptize but to preach the gospel? You said in one of your posts,
“Then explain how baptism in Romans says it’s symbolic of Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection if it’s baptism in the Holy Ghost?
It appears baptism was meant to be in water and the filling of the Holy Ghost accompanies it, just like Jesus’ baptism but unlike all the other baptisms performed by John.
Comparing scriptures gives a complete picture.”
Where in Romans does it say that water baptism is symbolic of Christ’s death burial and resurrection? It was John the Baptist who instituted water baptism unto repentance. “Unto repentance” means that the Jews (there were no gentiles among those whom he baptized) needed to change their minds about their Messiah, Jesus Christ, and his gospel. The word “metanoia” used for repentance means to change your mind for the better, the better being faith in Jesus Christ. If, as you say, water baptism and the infilling of the Holy Spirit go hand in hand, then those whom John baptized must also have been filled with the Holy Spirit. Moreover, if your claim that water baptism and the infilling of the Holy Spirit accompany one another, then Paul who was not sent to baptize, must have deprived people of the Holy Ghost.
Yes, there were instances when Peter and Philippe baptized gentiles in water, but they were exceptions which I shall explain to you later when I have more time. By the way, did Ananias baptize Paul by immersion in water? Can you prove it to me from Scripture, seeing that you yourself said “Comparing scriptures gives a complete picture.”
This whole site is ungodly. How many people did Jesus stone?
He commanded many false teachers and prophets to be stoned. Study your BIble.
M G wrote:
Sorry but true prophets do NOT make mistakes when they recite what God has told them.
Kim Clements made numerous prophecies that have come to fruition. I believe he was a true prophet and I miss him. I wish he were here to see how accurate his prophecies about Trump came to pass!
To Leslie
Kim Clement also made some numerous false prophecies which, according to the Bible, made him a good candidate for stoning.
If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. (Deuteronomy 13:1-3).
In an Interview with Matt Crouch on TBN Clement had these gems to say–let me say something to you. Most of you know that when you were sinners, you didn’t have to be told of your sin. You were aware of your sin all the time. You didn’t have to be told”… Clement goes on to say, “He investigates himself and for the first time in his life, finds that there’s something good inside of him, because the church and the gathering should be a place where you discover the greatness and the treasure of God that’s inside of you, not the bad thing… So, in other words, when they come into our presence, for the first time in their life they hear, they’re saying ‘there’s something beautiful inside of me. There’s something beautiful, there’s something, I know there’s something. I’m investigating, and for the first time in my life I’m finding that yes, there’s a chance for me, there’s a hope for me.’.. for the first time in their lives they’re finding ‘There’s something inside of me that I never knew existed,’ and they fall on their knees and worship God. (Source)
Kim Clement preached another Jesus who cannot save.
Not that i put any faith or belief in what Clement says or predicted the same as i put in the Bible, Emperor Constantine along with his chosen Clerics decided what was in and out to benefit them and the church at the time and called it the word of God. Not that i dont believe in god, but everything in the Bible is someones interpretation or story and we have seen through discoveries that there are many other books and writings. There again what benefited those individuals at that place and time.
Dave wrote:
Not that i dont believe in god, but everything in the Bible is someones interpretation or story and we have seen through discoveries that there are many other books and writings. There again what benefited those individuals at that place and time.
I assume your “god” with a small “g” is not the God of the Bible. The writings and books could not possibly benefit those individuals at that place and time because they shunned and despised the cross of Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God.
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. (1 Corinthians 1:18)
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
He was right about Donald Trump.
Alan R Stepp
You said, “He was right about Donald Trump.”
So where The Simpsons.
The Bible also says to confront such a man not in public, but in private. There is nothing Christian about attacking a man who is no longer here to defend himself btw. That’s an act of cowardice.
Dear Robert
You know at the best part of the day I sound like a broken record. Do you actually read what’s written here Robert or do you just skip over everything and come and ask the same questions that others have asked?
You said “The Bible also says to confront such a man not in public, but in private…That’s an act of cowardice.”
Why are you confronting us in public and not in private Robert? What’s good for your goose (you and Kim Clement) is good for the gander (everyone else who exposes him as a False Teacher (dead or alive). Even though he has passed on, he has left a digital footprint of all his false teaching for many to follow.
Kim Clement had an entire life time to repent of his evil doctrines of demons and preach the GOSPEL TRUTH, he knew about all the websites exposing his evil teachings; one of those ghastly teachings he taught is that no where in the bible does it say that one has to be born again? Really?
Robert do you agree with that?
When attacking a false prophet, get to the point, delineate what was said, enumerate the deception and proof that its wrong.
So I think to sum up. One can have a prophetic word from God, anyone actually, without holding the office of “prophet”. Infallibility is not a prerequisite for this and we all must discern the spirit from which it is coming, like we must discern anything people say every day. God may have used Kim Clement to say something and he also may have been a clanging gong much of the time as well. It is up to the mature disciple who by practice has learned to discern good from evil to know.
Blazersaint wrote:
You seem to be more concerned about the “mature disciple.” What about the little lambs who are being led astray by false prophets like Kim Clement? Jesus told Peter to care not only for the grown sheep but also to feed his lambs. (John 21:15).
This is what God thinks about fallibility.
Anyone who purports to speak in the Name of the Lord MUST be infallible. Anything short of this deserves his righteous judgments.
gary lacey wrote:
Are you a Roman Catholic?
https://www.thebereancall.org/content/kim-clement-say-pope-francis-gods-chosen
[DELETED by DTW] – Kim Clement says no where in the bible does it say one has to be born again, if you follow Kim’s every word as true, the you are not born again…
Blazersaint wrote “God may have used Kim Clement to say something and he also may have been a clanging gong much of the time as well. It is up to the mature disciple who by practice has learned to discern good from evil to know.” Must be the god of this age that used him…
Yeah Right Blazersaint, Kim Clement also stated, “When your born again the Bible doesn’t say that you are saved. The Bible says that when you are born again you see the kingdom. It doesn’t say that you are saved even though salvation takes place and rebirth causes you to see the kingdom of God.” [“The Prophetic Ministry of Kim Clement”, TBN, August 13, 2002].
The Lord Himself stated, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God” (John 3:3). Peter stated, “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time” (I Peter 1:3-5).
Advocate of Kim Clement:
Kim Clement was a man of God and his fruits bear witness of this truth. Satan wants us to destroy those we trust in to deliver God’s holy word, it’s a great victory for Satan when we do this. Did Kim Clement ever prophesy a truth, if so, he is not a false profit. Even Moses got is wrong sometimes like when he struck the rock with his staff and water came forth, he was suppose to have spoken to the rock. Was Moses not still a man of God, was Moses a false leader of God’s chosen people, or even a lier of the truth just because he got it all wrong sometimes? We are all imperfect and therefore prone to failure at times, this is why we bear the title, man, and not the superior title of, God Almighty. Is that a stone in your hand that you hold? What about that beam in your own eye? May God Bless Kim Clement, even in his death. :like:
May God Bless All, ✝️✝️✝️
Tumbleweed & Popi?
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Hi Jim
I suggest that you start discerning the difference between obedience to God and prophecy. OK! would you like me to tell you? Obedience to God is when God tells you to do something and you do it exactly as He tells you to do it, or you do it contrary to what He tells you to do, like Moses when He struck the rock a second time instead of speaking to it. Prophecy, on the other hand, are the things God tells you to write down, the things that are going to happen in the future. There is not a single prophet in the Bible, including Moses, who wrote down what God told them to write down, that was contrary to what God told them to write down. Every single prophecy God gave his prophets to foretell, was fulfilled 100% – every single one. Kim Clement predicted things that never came true. That made him a false prophet.
So what’s in YOUR closet for writing such a negative article about Kem Clement? I’ll bet you have plenty of skeletons to disparage people and prophets that God sends us.
That doesn’t sound like a reply I would expect from someone who is truly a Christian. Very disrespectful considering the fact that the person that you were responding to didn’t disrespect you. Instead, they were making a valid point in a civil and respecting manner. The “Duh” at the end came across as quite immature to be honest with you.
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
In reply to Jenny
You seem to know a lot about Christianity and what it means to be a Christian but very little about Christ Jesus.
The English Cambridge dictionary defines “duh” as a normally used word to show that you think a person or statement is stupid, or that something is obvious.
The Miriam Webster dictionary says of the word: —used derisively to indicate that something just stated is all too obvious or self-evident.
Have you ever read Matthew 15:16? Of course, you have. Jesus is speaking to his disciples and says, “And He said, Are you also even yet dull and ignorant [without understanding and unable to put things together]? (Classic Amplified Bible).
And just in case you don’t like the word “derisively” (contempt) check this out, “Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. (Psalm 2:1-4). But, then again, as you said, “That doesn’t sound like a reply I would expect from someone who is truly a Christian.”
What’s up with you in defending a false prophet whilst you hold Jesus and God’s words in derision, DUH! (DULL).
Dear Peter Piper
Well Tom and I are both sinners saved by the grace of God. We are far from perfect but we do our utmost to make sure our doctrine is!
1Thess 4:1-5 (KJV)
1 Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more. 2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus. 3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: 4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; 5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:
The bible says that one must be born again to be saved, Kim Clement says that NO WHERE in the bible does it say that. Who is lying Peter Piper? God or Kim Clement?
Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:
David is right,There is a 5 fold ministry and Prophets are still working for Gods Kingdom,seen this all my years as a Christian.Other Christians saying no need for tounges anymore,watch out for the word of Faith movement,those Full Gospel folks are crazy,etc.I can’t believe it’s still going on,my brothers and sisters talking against the Prophets God sends to help them,I notice the ones that don’t accept are always the angry ones,who like to argue about scripture,and the God is going to always get you mentality he’s just waiting up in heaven to catch you doing something wrong,and can’t wait to tell them how bad they have been doing,most of these Christians have been taught legalism,and have a hard time accepting Gods Grace mercy and the Gifts of the Holy Spirit.Some preachers even try to undo the right teaching that these hungry for the Word Christians have already learned.I don’t want to put anybody down at all,I love all my brothers and sisters in the Lord,just stating facts.
Stuart Goodell,
So, you don’t believe what Jesus said about signs and wonders?
Are you also part of the wicked and adulterous generation?
Stuart Goodell.
Do you speak in tongues (plural)? How many languages are there in heaven? Only one and you or anyone else is forbidden to speak it even though you may have heard it spoken.
Stuart Goodell.
Have you forgotten there is another ministry which Jesus told his apostles would do?
Fancy that, picking up serpents and drinking poison are mentioned in the same breath as speaking in tongues and casting out devils. If you want to obey Jesus then you must do everything including picking up snakes and drinking poison. Please let us know when you are ready. We have some of the deadliest poisonous snakes in South Africa. Ready, steady, GO!
Dear Stuart Goodell
Here are some more facts right from the bible: https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2019/08/13/apostles-and-super-apostles/
Hi Stuart, it’s me again, Tom
Please tell us which of these are you – apostle; prophet; evangelist; pastor or teacher?
If you are an apostle, how many people have you healed and raised from the dead?
If you are a prophet, how many of your prophecies have come true?
If you are an evangelist, where do you preach?
If you are a pastor, where is the flock you pastor>
If you are a teacher, who do you teach?
[DELETED by DTW – We’re not interesting in you coming here to take over with your speudo-Christianity, when you are not prepared to read Biblical truth]
I don’t pick up poisonous snakes,but if one bites me it won’t hurt me,be careful when judging others in the Kingdom of God,if I was there having a cup of coffee with you,I’m sure we could go over scriptures together peacefully,I would do that anytime,But I wont let the enemy cause us to argue,we are brothers and sisters in the Lord,and could and should be able to do this,and still be friends,I’m not here to put you down,or hurt you,But will always be ready to look into my experiences to see if they line up with the Word of God,which I am at peace about what I have preached on the street.God Bless you,also why do you have to monitor the comments.Im just sharing not scaring.
Dear Stuart
You said “I don’t pick up poisonous snakes,but if one bites me it won’t hurt me”
Oh dear :ohno: I think you are a tad deluded.
Are you telling us you witnessed Jesus Christ’s resurrection?
You said “But will always be ready to look into my experiences to see if they line up with the Word of God”
Not true, as you so just stated above, that if you, like an apostle/prophet were to be bitten by a snake you would not be hurt, yet the Word of God is clear that you will be hurt because you did not witness the resurrection of Jesus Christ and therefore you are not an apostle/prophet and neither is anyone in your 5 fold ministry.
you said “also why do you have to monitor the comments”
We monitor everyone’s comments, to be approved or deleted. You were not singled out.
You said “I’m not here to put you down,or hurt you,”
Same here. So don’t be hurt if your comment sits under moderation (while we go to bed at night, to possibly approve it in the morning) 🙂
You said “But I wont let the enemy cause us to argue,we are brothers and sisters in the Lord”
Um, I’m not so sure Stuart… it all depends on which “Christ” you follow. Do you follow the false Christ of the false 5 fold ministry, that is part and parcel of the Roman Catholic church’s Apostolic succession?
Yep. One should make very sure these days who are really your brothers and sisters in Christ.
The real apostles wrote:
Hi all nobody are allowed to be judged. God will juge on the day of jugement. I can’t wast time to look at people who make mistakes or sin. We are born to win soul for God the Kingdom of God. Satan liked to make trouble between peoole. Rather pray for salvation for all people on the planet. Will it not be wonderful if all people can go to Heaven. That is what God wants because He loves all the people on the planet. So please people see the good only, don’t waste time on negative things or see if you can look who is doing wrong. Then satan already tricked you and laughing at you because you waste time. Instead of praying and be humble and win souls for God. Will pray for al and claim there souls for the Kingdom of God Amen!!!
Love you all,
God Bless🙏🙏🙏
Joline
Hi Jolene. Of course God wants to save all people (2 Peter 3:9) but you aint going to do it when you tell them a pack of lies and lead them down the path that ends up in hell (Proverbs 14:12; 15:25). Your kind of love will never get anyone to heaven. It is a false love. It is the truth that makes people free (John 8:32), not love, especially your kind of love. At any rate, the Bible says the spiritual man judges ALL things (1 Corinthians 2:15). Spiritual children like you are the ones who are tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine (Ephesians 4:14). Grow up my dear and start winning souls for Christ by earnestly contending for the faith that was once delivered to us (Jude 1:3). By the way, did someone lay hands on you for you to receive the spirit of love? If so, and you are married, your husband is a wimp because I would never allow any man to lay hands on my wife to supposedly receive the Holy Spirit. NEVER!
Tom,
I win souls for God everyday. I just got on this wibeside somehow and i am praying for the world. God loves you unconditional.
God Bless,
Joline
Indeed, God loves the world. However, there is one condition in order to be a beneficiary of his love.
Here’s the condition: “that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” Do you tell this to all the converts you lead to Christ everyday? The unconditional love that you foster cannot save people from everlasting perdition in hell.
In your first comment you wrote:
How on earth can you win souls for God everyday when sin is of no concern to you and when Christ Himself said: “I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” (Luke 5:32), and “For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.” (Luke 19:10).
Telling lost sinners who are on their way to hell that God loves them unconditionally is not the Gospel. It is another gospel that cannot save.
Tom,
We that are servants of the Lord can see if poeple ate unsaved and on their way to hell. Thst way we win souls for God. When they give their hearts to the Lord automatically as they go along reading the Bible and praying they don’t sin anymore. I always tell them to read God’s word and pray. God convict sin of righteousness. We as servants of the Lord do what we must do and God do the rest. You do know you Bible very well and you take everything out of the Bible and that’s good. I do the same with all God’s souls step by step. How can i say it is a process. How more they get into God’s word the truth set them free. Alot of poeple win a soul and then stop. But you have to walk the road with them otherwise the go back to their old life. May God Bless you uncountable with your call on your life and i pray that God will take you from Glory to Glory. You are very major in God and that good.
Love you all,
God Bless 🙏🙏🙏
Joline
Hi Tom,
Pray with me please. I have a guy by the name Petrus for salvation for his soul. He have alot of anger. I don’t want to lose him. That God can show his unconditional love to him.
God Bless🙏🙏🙏
Joline
Why this dude never mentions Jesus ?
BrotherJohn
Cause he didn’t know Him
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Mat 7:21-23)
“Kim, are you ever wrong?” Yes I am.
If you want to call Kim Clement a false prophet, go ahead, but please for the Love of God and Holy Scripture, do not stop there. I have another prophet you need to condemn. This prophet I am referring to said that God was going to destroy a city, and he even gave a specific date for the destruction to occur. When that particular day came, nothing bad happened to the city that the prophet said would be destroyed.
This particular prophet made a prediction in the name of God and it turned out the doom and gloom event did not happen. So if you want to reject Kim Clement, you also need to reject this other prophet I have in mind. His name is Jonah, and the city he said would be destroyed in 40 days was Nineveh. Let’s be consistent: Jonah meets all the requirements for a false prophet, he spoken in the name of the Lord and his prophecy did not come true…please rip all the pages of his story out of your Holy Bible and thrown them away.
Or you could just believe that when God has a chance to choose mercy over judgment, mercy always wins. You could believe that God ruined Jonah’s reputation as a real prophet because the men of Nineveh began begging for mercy, and the that is why the prophet got it wrong.
Just saying…
Dear Sam
Are you trying to be funny? Because I am laughing. IF you are not trying to be funny and are actually serious then I feel VERY sorry for you.
You said “His name is Jonah, and the city he said would be destroyed in 40 days was Nineveh. Let’s be consistent: Jonah meets all the requirements for a false prophet, he spoken in the name of the Lord and his prophecy did not come true”
Nineveh was not destroy because the people met God’s requirements for the City to not be destroyed – they repented.
Now Sam, please go away and repent of your evil, your soul is being destroyed by following false prophets like Kim Clement. Repent like the people in the city of Nineveh and God will not destroy you in hell fire.
Just saying…
According to the bible, the test of a true prophet is 100% accuracy.
That means you can’t have a few embarrassing mistakes along the way. No “well I really meant”… No “You misunderstood”… If it isn’t correct 100% of the time, you are a false prophet.
[DTW note: sorry, we deleted the rest of your comment as we do not endorse Catholic teaching]
Careful, it doesn’t go well when one goes after God’s anointed.
What is the proof that Kim Clement was an anointed prophet of the Lord – his wrong predictions?
Anyone who believes and follows false prophets who they claim to be the anointed of God will suffer the same consequences as the false prophets.
Careful, it doesn’t go well when one goes after false prophets.
Stuart you are not God and you don’t know what goes on in His mind, you are an imperfect man prone to sin, we all are, who are you to think that you know who God calls to be a prophet? How arrogant to think that because this man doesn’t meet your criteria, your man made imperfect criteria, that that must mean that Kim isn’t a prophet of God. Kim has said Trump will be elected ” The trump shall trumpet” 2007, 2014 he expanded on it, another quote ” They will say Impeach, Impeach, and it shall fail” Trump was recently Impeached in The House, but it failed in The Senate. This man may very be a prophet of God. You better tread carefully ◾When Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses, Miriam was plagued with leprosy (Num. 12:9-10).
When the people of Israel spoke against God and Moses (Num. 21:5-6), God sent fiery serpents to chastise them for their sin.
When Korah and over 250 others spoke against Moses and Aaron (Num. 16:2-3), God allowed the earth to swallow Korah and the others up.
When children mocked God’s man, Elisha (II Kings 2:22-23), God allowed two she bears to destroy 42 of the mockers.
Hi Mark. Read this:
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Mark, you are heavily deceived. I suggest you read this article. and hopefully God will open your eyes to see the truth about Kim Clement.
This is bogus. A false prophet is someone who points people away from Jesus not someone who never makes mistakes. I’d say you’re the false prophets for posting this. Shame on you
Hi Bogus. No! A false prophet points people away from the real Jesus to a false Jesus, from the real Gospel to a false gospel, and from the real Holy Spirit to a false holy spirit.
Are you sure that you have the right Jesus, the right Gospel and the right Holy Spirit and not some false ones?
Hi Bogus. Can you tell us what the difference is between a “mistake” and a “false prophecy?”
Interesting record for a false prophet….everything he says seems to happen
Dear April Prichard
No everything he says does not happen.
April Prichard. I just love your use of the words “seems to happen.” Yep, its seems to have happened but it never happened.
Man Says: “There shall be appearances, great, great appearances. There shall be appearances as you have never seen. Why would My people not believe that I can come and appear in the most remote places on the earth?” (KIM CLEMENT: “There will be PROPHETS in Science, Business, Households, the Music Industry and the Media”, The ElijahList, 11/28/07)
God Says: Matthew:24:24-27
: “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.”
TBC Staff
Kim Clement (a self proclaimed prophet), prophesying on the TBN “Praise the Lord” broadcast: “Now the Lord is speaking about the next one, Bin Laden, who’s about to be captured. And so I’m looking forward to Easter. I’m going on television right now and saying this is what I have prophesied. And I believe if you pray and believe with me, this will happen, because that swine needs to come out of his hole as well.” [Praise the Lord, January 12, 2004]
April 14, 2004, Kim Clement’s website: “…..Regarding Osama, we are not sure exactly when this will happen because it is not clearly defined. However, there seems to be is a suggestion that Easter would have been the beginning of celebrations. There are several events that have occurred (up to and through) the Easter weekend. I feel strongly that the “celebration” is regarding the “resurrection of the dead” (as I prophesied) and also possibly the “bringing out” of our greatest enemy!!!….Many of you may be wondering, “was this past Easter really one of the greatest Easters this Nation has ever celebrated?” My feeling is that Easter was the time where “things will be revealed” and the “greatest enemy” will be “brought out.” Over that sacred time (Easter), something was exposed which will be the end of his hiding. For a time I too felt that over Easter we would see the capture of Bin Laden, however, when I read the prophetic word that I had given, I understood that it meant “revealing his whereabouts,” and this would bring him out. This could be the beginning of the 35-day period.”
“When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him” (Deuteronomy:18:22).
This is absurd. he never admitted this. You will have to answer for every word spoken by you. Look at how what God told him is NOW coming to pass. Shame on you. How evil. What he said was God corrected him on his past understanding of Revelation and the rapture. What is the problem with that? There was no prophesy involved, and he prophesied until the moment he died. so you have lied. Who is the one we should avoid?
Kim Clement said on Trinity Broadcast Network, “You can be a wrong prophet and not be a false prophet.” Why would he have said something so stupid when the Word of God never once says it? Because he had a growing list of failed prophecies and with an acute awareness of his failures to meet the biblical criteria, he made this stupid and unscriptural statement. Imagine God having said to Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, John, who wrote the book Revelation, or any of the other biblical prophets, “You can be a wrong prophet and not be a false prophet.” WRONG = WRONG = FALSE = LIES = OF SATAN (John 8:44). Your semantic arithmetics are absolutely WRONG. WRONG never equals a true prophet of God and never will.
What Clement said in effect is, “GOD MAKES MISTAKES” and, therefore, is a liar, This is blasphemy of the worst kind.
You are treading on dangerous ground, just as Kim Clement had done.
You should stop worshipping Kim Clement and start worshipping and obeying God who said,
Is he a false prophet because he was wrong or because he blatantly uses the name and word of God to decieve us for profit or fame. Is he not a man that falls short of the glory of God and who is not infallible. The real question is, does he have a relationship with God, does God know his works and his intent? The only other question is, what is your intent? Identifying false prohets because their prophecies seek to corrupt the hearts of men and turn them away from God? Your judgment is misplaced and your expectation of others is higher than God’s expectations of us.
Brandon wrote: “The real question is, does he have a relationship with God, does God know his works and his intent?”
Let us take your statement and apply it to Scripture. Here’s an example.
Let us assume this was merely the prophet Isaiah’s intent but it never happened or never came to pass, that is, a child was never born, and a son never given to us. Nonetheless, it would not have disparaged, ridiculed, mocked or derided Almighty God’s holy Name and character, for the simple reason that He knew Isaiah’s works and his heart’s intent.
You ask, “What is our intent?” Indeed, you are correct. Our intent is to obey God and expose false prophets because they are deceiving millions of people. And speaking of God’s expectations. Here are his expectations.
Those who have the mind of Christ will never, NEVER tolerate false prophets and their false prophecies. Why do you?
Dear Brandon
Do you believe that if a person come to you and says the following that “you don’t have to be born again”, would you call this person a Christian? Do you believe that the message they preached was biblical if they believed that no where in the bible does it say you need to be born again?
Brandon
I see you have vanished, just incase you come back – Kim Clement said multiple times that no where in the bible does it say you have to be born again. Please read this article slowly and completely: https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/06/29/kim-clement-wolf-sheeps-clothing/
I have read several of his articles. Several were hard to articulate just as when you read the Bible you have to STUDY the time and era of the reading.
I refrain from being harsh as to his being a Prophet due to facts that we may not understand timing and God’s will .As HUMANS, I have sat before many ministers with great Theology degrees who have spoken incorrectly as to true meaning of verses and times in the Bible. Its not my place to be judgmental of Kim Clement. That’s God’s job. Who is to say his prophesy is for a certain DATE and TIME? I pray for him. If he is doing this for selfish gains, God will take care of the issue. There are many Pastors, Ministers, Evangelicans who speak incorrectly not on purpose but through their interpretation of verses and thought process. I stand quiet in this matter until I FULLY evaluate this man. Shame on anyone who judges on quick hearsay and what godless GOOGLE says! I have a brain and I can research this thus drawing my own conclusion.
Hi Dee. Praying for the dead is necromancy. Kim Clement died at 60 this year.
Dear Dee
You are more than welcome to draw your own conclusions.
Please draw a conclusion on this: Kim Clement said multiple times that no where in the bible does it say you have to be born again.
Please read this article slowly and completely: https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2012/06/29/kim-clement-wolf-sheeps-clothing/
I pray you draw the right conclusion.
Another MAJORLY false “prophet” these people flock to as if he IS somebody is Mark Taylor. JUST hearing him say “Thus sayeth the Lord” and then spewing lies grieves me. He “empties” his mind and writes down what “God says to him”. I KNOW there is a name for that, similar to if not divination..can’t remember it. Sort of like Sarah Young and her “Jesus Calling” books, etc. No man can speak for God…God speaking is Scripture, the Canon is closed. Speaking to us through His word is not the same, by the way. That’s another long definition though that we should ALL know and understand.