John Piper – Taking Leave and Asks for Forgiveness

John Piper And Rick Warren

I saw this article and just had to post it.  John Piper!!  Please tell us soon as to what you are asking forgiveness for.  I understand 30 years of ministry can take it’s toll and your deeds and character flaws are not what’s concerning to us, or want to know about.  It’s what you have been preaching (Calvinism) and who you have been siding with that we want to hear you say sorry for.

I pray that whatever is happening in your life that Jesus Christ the Son of God is renewing your relationship with Him that it will be unstoppable!  And that you come back 8 months from now a NEW man in Jesus Christ, with a STAND for the TRUTH that will knock the socks off everyone!   IF NOT, then no amount of prayer from anyone is going to help you, if you don’t see you are following false doctrine.  Also what’s the point of asking everyone to pray for you when you can have thousands of people praying for you who are not even saved.  Who will they be praying too on your behalf?  But you should know these things, you are the pastor after all.

A first step would be to get rid of all these people in your life that are deceiving you. I see in this ‘apology’ of yours that you still want to advertise your ‘vision’ for the world. What vision is that? How can men have a vision and mission that contradicts the Word of God.  Surely your vision should be focused on Jesus Christ alone and not on this world.  When you come back are you going to warn people of the deception in the church and the turning back to Rome, or carry on with this NWO vision to see this earth look like man-made-heaven with a false Christ?

[EDITED by DTW:  Oh wait, sorry people, I don’t think he is coming back in 8 months to preach the truth.  He has invited Rick Warren to speak at his Desiring God Conference in 2010 and above is a lovely photo of John Piper and Rick sitting together at Ralph Winters memorial service back in June 28, 2009…]

JOHN PIPER TO TAKE LEAVE

By John Piper March 28, 2010  

As you may have already heard in the sermon from March 27-28, the elders graciously approved on March 22 a leave of absence that will take me away from Bethlehem from May 1 through December 31, 2010. We thought it might be helpful to put an explanation in a letter to go along with the sermon.

I asked the elders to consider this leave because of a growing sense that my soul, my marriage, my family, and my ministry-pattern need a reality check from the Holy Spirit. On the one hand, I love my Lord, my wife, my five children and their families first and foremost; and I love my work of preaching and writing and leading Bethlehem. I hope the Lord gives me at least five more years as the pastor for preaching and vision at Bethlehem.

But on the other hand, I see several species of pride in my soul that, while they may not rise to the level of disqualifying me for ministry, grieve me, and have taken a toll on my relationship with Noêl and others who are dear to me. How do I apologize to you, not for a specific deed, but for ongoing character flaws, and their effects on everybody? I’ll say it now, and no doubt will say it again, I’m sorry. Since I don’t have just one deed to point to, I simply ask for a spirit of forgiveness; and I give you as much assurance as I can that I am not making peace, but war, with my own sins.

Noêl and I are rock solid in our commitment to each other, and there is no whiff of unfaithfulness on either side. But, as I told the elders, “rock solid” is not always an emotionally satisfying metaphor, especially to a woman. A rock is not the best image of a woman’s tender companion. In other words, the precious garden of my home needs tending. I want to say to Noêl that she is precious to me in a way that, at this point in our 41-year pilgrimage, can be said best by stepping back for a season from virtually all public commitments.

No marriage is an island. For us this is true in two senses. One is that Noêl and I are known inside-out by a few friends at Bethlehem-most closely by our long-time colleagues and friends David and Karin Livingston, and then by a cluster of trusted women with Noêl and men with me. We are accountable, known, counseled, and prayed for. I am deeply thankful for a gracious culture of transparency and trust among the leadership at Bethlehem.

The other way that our marriage is not an island is that its strengths and defects have consequences for others. No one in the orbit of our family and friends remains unaffected by our flaws. My prayer is that this leave will prove to be healing from the inside of my soul, through Noêl’s heart, and out to our children and their families, and beyond to anyone who may have been hurt by my failures.

The difference between this leave and the sabbatical I took four years ago is that I wrote a book on that sabbatical (What Jesus Demands from the World). In 30 years, I have never let go of the passion for public productivity. In this leave, I intend to let go of all of it. No book-writing. No sermon preparation or preaching. No blogging. No Twitter. No articles. No reports. No papers. And no speaking engagements. There is one stateside exception-the weekend devoted to the Desiring God National Conference combined with the inaugural convocation of Bethlehem College and Seminary in October. Noêl thought I should keep three international commitments. Our reasoning is that if she could go along, and if we plan it right, these could be very special times of refreshment together.

The elders have appointed a group to stay in touch and keep me accountable for this leave. They are David Mathis, Jon Bloom, Tom Steller, Sam Crabtree, Jon Grano, Tim Held, Tony Campagna, and Kurt Elting-Ballard. Five of these have walked with Noêl and me over the last two months, helping us discern the wisdom, scope, and nature of this leave. They brought the final recommendation to the elders on March 22.

I asked the elders not to pay me for this leave. I don’t feel it is owed to me. I know I am causing more work for others, and I apologize to the staff for that. Not only that, others could use similar time away. Most working men and women do not have the freedom to step back like this. The elders did not agree with my request. Noêl and I are profoundly grateful for this kind of affection. We will seek the Lord for how much of your financial support to give back to the church, to perhaps bear some of the load.

Personally, I view these months as a kind of relaunch of what I hope will be the most humble, happy, fruitful five years of our 35 years at Bethlehem and 46 years of marriage. Would you pray with me to that end? And would you stand by your church with all your might? May God make these eight months the best Bethlehem has ever known. It would be just like God to do the greatest things when I am not there. “Neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God who gives the growth” (1 Corinthians 3:7).

I love you and promise to pray for you every day.

Pastor John

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What John was really apologizing for in a very round about that way, was the fact that he was now best friends with Rick Warren and he is telling you there is nothing you can do about it.  This is what he is telling you.  But then John Piper is after all a Calvinist and Calvinist’s follow a doctrine of demons, so his turning to Rome should not surprise us.  See Calvinism

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Deborah Ellish is the author of the above article. Discerning the World is an internet Christian Ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa. Tom Lessing and Deborah Ellish both own Discerning the World. For more information see the About this Website page below the comments section.

73 Responses

  1. MRWBBIII says:

    PIPED PIPER JOHN INVITES RICK WARREN HERETIC TO DG 2010 !
    FIRST THE CLOSE WORK WITH EMERGENT CHURCH MARK DRISCOLL FOLLOWED BY A 8 MONTH LEAVE FROM MINISTRY DUE TO ” UNNAMED PRIDE ..? ” NOW HIS DESIRING GOD CONFERENCE HAS NOTED HERETIC PROSPERITY GOSPEL MONEY HUNGRY MEGACHURCH AUTHOR RICK WARREN AS A SPEAKER. WHAT’S SAD IS SO MANY YOUTH OF TODAY PASTORS OF TOMORROW FOLLOW PIPER’S HEDONIST DOCTRINE OF PREACHING TEACHING & WRITINGS ! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH JOHN, COME BACK TO YOUR FIRST LOVE !!

    MRWBBIII

  2. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    MRWBBIII

    Well that was short lived excitement LOL. I should have just checked the conference details before hand. Silly me.

    Oh look at the nice picture I just added to my article.

  3. Burning Lamp says:

    Maybe Piper has been influenced too much by his association with Driscoll who regards holiness as a sin in his zeal to present Christ as a portrait of machoism? Just a thought…….by being so vague he only piques the imagination. The chances of him coming to any earth-shattering conclusions that would change his theology in which he is so deeply entrenched are slim to none, God is a God of miracles. He has put himself in the hands of fellow Calvinists for accountability and birds of a feather don’t stray to other flocks.

  4. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Burning Lamp

    >> and birds of a feather don’t stray to other flocks.

    I agree. My parrot agrees too.

  5. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    AND NEWSFLASH… Amazing the things you hear within 10 minutes of posting an article..

    John MacArthur still supports John Piper too this day. Let’s see if he still supports him after the Desiring God Conference. I bet you all 1 billion Zim $ that he will still support him. That amounts to 1 block of toilet paper by the way, just incase someone was still interested in transformation taking place in Zimbabwe.

  6. Yolandi says:

    Burning Lamp – I this think you really need to check your sources on Driscol because Ive recently met with him read almost all of his books and no where have I EVER heard such scwable .Could you please quote me the verse from his book or wherever you got the info that he regards holiness as a sin? Because that is a false statement . He has an entire chapter devoted to holiness in his book “religion saves and 9 other misconceptions”. And on the point of God being a manly God would you rather Him be a new aged hippy that likes to walk on the way to galilea with an ipod and says “ya man be happy , have peace”? or a warrior that wont take anybodies nonesense? Because I can assure you the 1st example is purely emergeing . Debs – John Piper knows the wrongs and rights of this world we cannot judge him purely because of association..Maybe if he was sitting with old Mc Laren and Paggit singing pop songs and doing some centering prayer nonesense in his church …but he isnt he is doing what a Christian should do befriending everybody and loving everybody . God has been appointed judge in this world and if Warren is a false prophet God will deal with the man and all the mantra clapping emergents out there. Until then praise God for the good He has done in your life and the blessings He is about to pour out. Im not saying dont tell the world about emergents but please just think again before you guys go on about piper..Hes a human being and hes obviously stepping down for a while to be a better preacher. I think that should say something!

  7. bob says:

    Are the Zimbabwians also being ushered into “healthy small groups for unity and community?” Not long ago I went to Piper’s church’s website and I saw this headline that said it all: “Salvation occurs in community.” Macarthur is a big supporter of Greg Laurie who speaks at Saddleback and who helps finance Rick Warren’s mission.

  8. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    bob

    Nah, in Zim you are ushered into small groups and murdered :(

  9. Burning Lamp says:

    Yolandi – With all due respect, have you been tucked away in a lead mine? Driscoll is a clever mixture of truth and error. Where does one start? How about the Acts 29 church planting fiasco with the bellying up to the bar in church and the resulting alcohol abuse? How about his statement that NOT drinking booze is a sin? How about his potty mouth? How about what goes on at Mars Hill with the engagement of culture and the need to be “cool”? Come on, all you have to do is “Google” a few of these things to get the facts. I am not going to put in a bunch of links and waste my time looking all of them up. Maybe you are playing devil’s advocate and pulling my chain? Hope so!

  10. Amanda says:

    bob

    Are the Zimbabwians also being ushered into “healthy small groups for unity and community?”

    You have no idea. The transformation fire is to start in South Africa and spread to Africa and then the whole world. On 23 May, Pentecost, God TV will transmit the Global Day of Prayer event from Cape Town. The organizers of the event also gave South Africa Turn2God and Cape Town for Jesus: Michael Cassidy, Graham Power, Dion Forster, Steve Johnstone, Ettiene Piek. Did you know that the world and all religions can be united in unashamedly ethical community groups? It is a good works, socialist religion and it is coming to a community near you. And the South African ‘christians’ are cheering it. Do stay tuned and browse these sites:

    Global Day of Prayer.
    Dion Forster.
    Lausanne Cape Town 2010.
    Unashamedly ethical:

    When making the Individual Commitment you will commit to the following 10 things:

    1. To be entirely truthful in all you say.
    2. To be faithful to your family relationships.
    3. To do nothing out of selfish ambition or conceit, but to look out for the interests of others.
    4. To refuse to elicit, accept or pay any bribes, and to report those who do.
    5. To be a diligent leader without being harsh, and to pay your staff what is just and fair.
    6. To be a peacemaker.
    7. To do your work wholeheartedly.
    8. To submit yourself to just and ethical governing authorities.
    9. To remember the poor by investing generously and sacrificially in the broader community.
    10. To collaborate with your peers to impact our community and nation.

    You also commit yourself to being accountable to the Unashamedly Ethical Ombudsman.

    YOUTH COMMITMENT
    When making the Youth Commitment you will commit to the following 10 things

    1. To tell the truth always.
    2. To honour your parents, and to respect your teachers.
    3. To stay pure in all your relationships.
    4. To do what is right even when your friends do not do so.
    5. To be unselfish, and to treat people like you want to be treated.
    6. To stay free from alcohol and drugs.
    7. To refuse to cheat on any exams or tests.
    8. To do your work wholeheartedly.
    9. To serve the poor in your community.
    10. To collaborate with your peers to impact your community and nation.

    You also commit yourself to being accountable to the Unashamedly Ethical Ombudsman.

    BUSINESS COMMITMENT
    When making the Organisational Commitment you will commit to the following 10 things:

    1. To be honest and ethical in all your dealings.
    2. To provide efficient, economic and effective products and services in an impartial manner.
    3. To provide all stakeholders with timely, accessible and accurate information.
    4. To refuse to elicit, accept or pay any bribes, and to report those who do.
    5. To negotiate all contracts with the utmost integrity.
    6. To pay taxes, and to pay all creditors on time.
    7. To pay reasonable salaries and wages.
    8. To submit yourselves to just and ethical governing authorities.
    9. To remember the poor by investing generously and sacrificially in the broader community.
    10. To collaborate with your peers to impact your community and nation.

    Your organisation will be listed on the Unashamedly Ethical Business Directory.
    You also commit your organisation to being accountable to the Unashamedly Ethical Ombudsman.

    GOVERNMENT COMMITMENT
    When making the Government Commitment you will commit to the following 10 things:

    1. To be honest and ethical in all your dealings.
    2. To provide efficient, economic and effective public service delivery in an impartial and fair manner.
    3. To refuse to elicit, accept or pay any bribes, and to report those who do.
    4. To expect your members to disclose all personal or family financial interests which may affect their decision making.
    5. To negotiate all government contracts with the utmost integrity.
    6. To report fraud, corruption, nepotism, maladministration and other offenses.
    7. To ensure transparency, accountability and fair administrative action by providing the public with timely, accessible and accurate information.
    8. To invest in the betterment of your employees and elected officials by good human resource management.
    9. To pursue the transformation of your sphere of influence and expertise in the public service.
    10. To collaborate with your peers to impact the world positively.

    Your organisation / department will be listed on the Unashamedly Ethical Business Directory.
    You also commit your organisation / department to being accountable to the Unashamedly Ethical Ombudsman.

    CHURCH COMMITMENT
    When making the Church Commitment you will commit to the following 10 things:

    1. To be honest and ethical in all your dealings.
    2. To seek the maturity of your members by encouraging them to read the whole Bible regularly.
    3. To equip your members to transform every sphere of society.
    4. To work towards unity within the Body of Christ.
    5. To collaborate with your peers to impact our community and nation.
    6. To commit a growing percentage of your resources to evangelism, Kingdom expansion and transformation by investing beyond your local ministry.
    7. To care for the poor, and for widows, orphans and strangers.
    8. To spend the tithes and offerings you receive ethically and prayerfully.
    9. To pay reasonable salaries and wages to your staff.
    10. To manifest the Kingdom of God tangibly.

    Your church will be listed on the Unashamedly Ethical Business Directory.
    You also commit your church to being accountable to the Unashamedly Ethical Ombudsman.

  11. Amanda says:

    bob

    Once you have done your homework and you have read The Prayer For The World, then ask yourself which christ are they talking about:

    King of Glory,
    Come and finish Your work in our cities, our peoples and our nations.
    We lift our voices in unison with believers from Africa and Asia,
    from the Middle East and Europe, from North and South America,
    and from Australia and the Pacific Islands—together we cry:

    Lift up your heads, O you gates!
    Be lifted up ancient doors so that the King of glory may come in!

    As Your deeds increase throughout the earth,
    and as Your blessings abound to all the nations,
    they will seek You, asking, “Who is this King of glory?”
    Together we will answer:

    He is the Lord Almighty!
    Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!

    Come fill the earth with Your glory as the waters cover the sea.
    The Spirit and the Bride say:

    Amen! Come Lord Jesus!

    Do you think they are calling on Jesus Christ who is to judge the living and the dead?

  12. Yolandi says:

    Im not emergent AND I MOST CERTAINLY NEVER WILL BE! I just know that seeing is believing and mark driscol is as against the emerging church as you and i are. I sat in a church with the man and he rebuked the church he was preaching at because he said he could see they were walking towards heathen ways. Fwd 2 weeks the same church told me that they to almost fell into an emergent trap and pastor mark helped them out of it. BTW i did ask him about that post on contemplative prayer turns out it was a guy that works for him in SA and the dude was new and all and he just posted the thing on resurgance. Not everything on the page belongs to Driscol. Please dont ever call me an emergent again its an insult. Im a radical for Jesus …The only truth is in the Bible and Ive come to make peace with all the evil in this world because frankly im in this world but not of it. I know who my God is and how amazing He is and no emergent can take that away from me. Gods power is unendless and strong and these small loser contemplative idiots who go against Gods will are small speckles of nothing in Gods bigger picture. And yes Ive changed for the better …Ive grown in God the last few months …Ive been judged severely at film school because I refuse to take part in their mantras and their belief systems. But through all of that Ive managed to meet people and visit churches and in Cape Town I found hope in churches again. Yes there are crazies there to but over all Jubilee , Hillsong , His people and Commin Ground have spoken nothing but truth straight from the word and in one of those churches I have found a home. After being churchless – homeless for 3 years I think its a good thing that God has finaly given me peace for my soul. I will never stop confronting the wrongs of the emerging church however I dont allow it to kill my relationship with Jesus because thats exactly what satan wants.

  13. Yolandi says:

    Yes lets google you burning lamp im sure we will find a few truth and errors there too …Go read one of his books come back to me and we will have this talk again :P

    Btw Jesus sat with Sagees dont know the english name for him …I think all of you should go read Matthew again. Jesus sat with the rebels , the outcasts ect

    so Im just wondering what ya all believe in ? Calvinism ? Arminianism? 7 day advantests? Catholics? Evangelicals? its interesting to see the different ideas formed in the denominations.

  14. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Here are just some of your comments Yolandi that you have made across this blog since last year. One can follow the links to the other articles you commented at. One can also read my replies to you. I have not supplied all your comments, but most of them. I don’t have time to put these in date and time order.

    ——————- This comment is regarding Mosaiek Church. With Stephan Joubert etc.
    Yolandi
    Submitted on 2009/12/15 at 6:22am
    http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/10/07/dream-interpretation-3-soccer/#comment-2076

    I left this church a few years back being on the worship team I was asked to leave with a few other people. We refused to part take in their occult rituals of centering prayer and yoga and we were asked to leave..This church is ready to corrupt the masses in Jozi.

    —————— Comment regarding TUKS university
    Yolandi
    Submitted on 2009/12/15 at 10:19am

    Cobus van Wyngaard – How unique was Jesus suffering?

    After reading numouress debates on the emerging church and studying at the faculty of theology for the entire duration of 2009 I have decided not to return. The occult spiritualism taught at the faculty goes hand in hand with emerging church practices that are occurring daily in churches in and around Johannesburg and south africa. At the end of 2007 I decided to leave Mosaiek because they were teaching a different gospel and the same thing is sticking out its ugly head at Tuks Thelological . Cobus let me say this Christ’s suffering was true and real and not “symbolic” …If it was symbolic I would like to ask you this question – What was the need for the death on the cross or even a mention of it? Does sin exsist then? or is it just another fiction of our imagination? The same questions apply to the resurection of Jesus Christ …If you ask Prof Van Aarde he will argue and say that this too was just “symbolic”…

    —————— Comment regarding Stephan Joubert and Dr Steyn
    Yolandi
    Submitted on 2010/01/03 at 3:32pm

    The Whole Counsel of God – Interpreting Scripture Correctly

    Amanda I studied at UP and Im still a born again Christian even if it tested my faith. A 19 year old def knows what is right and what is wrong …Therefore I just wanna add people in emerging churches cannot possibly just sit there and not know that something isnt “right”. As for Joubert the Greece tour was planned with Dr Steyn I personally know the Steyn’s. The tour (if its the same one we are talking about) in its self isn’t emerging as far as I know its prob just a nice little holiday at the expense of NG Moreletta and Mosaiek…

    And come on guys people don’t have so much money to give as an offering..Considering some don’t even bother to give a tithe…Ever asked yourself how a small little student church can grow within a few months? Mosaiek cost over 24 mil to build and 90 % of the congregation consists of students. Rhema consists of all types but many people who attend come from rural areas…mmmm…I smell a rat!

    —————— Your comment regarding Mark Driscoll
    Yolandi
    Submitted on 2010/01/06 at 4:49am

    Rick Warren – Gets $2.4m in Donations

    Hello everyone I haven’t been able to send alot of msgs because Ive been so busy but I did part take in a facebook discussion..Debs I still need to reply to you :) But Id like everyone to please go on facebook and look for Pastor Mark Driscol’s page and look for an update on him congratulating Rick Warren.. I stirred up a big debate by asking him why he would support a man that quotes 4 known new age mystics and fully endorses them in his book the purpose driven life. Many people attacked me others urged Driscol to rethink his association with Warren … In my opinion where there is smoke there is fire..and somewhere somehow driscol is taking Piper and other leaders down with him.

    —————— Your comment again about Mark Driscoll
    Yolandi
    Submitted on 2010/01/06 at 9:46am

    Rick Warren – Gets $2.4m in Donations

    I befriended Driscol a while back or well I use to have a teacher / student relationship with him .He helped me with a series of notes I was doing on the sex of God i.e is God male or female for a theology class. I found his help inspiring but a short while after that he became arrogant and I just got this feeling something in his theology had suddenly changed…He didnt reply to his so called fans on facebook and esp those asking pressing questions about salvation… http://www.facebook.com/pastormark?v=feed&story_fbid=231166389670

    —————–Your comment re Rick Warren infiltrating John Pipers teaching. John Piper and Mark Driscoll are part of same ministry.
    Yolandi
    Submitted on 2010/01/12 at 6:22pm

    Rick Warren – Gets $2.4m in Donations

    Rick warren worries me this guy is head of the council of forgein relations …Hes a pastor and he heads up a big illuminati type group.. I worry when I see him infiltrating Piper’s teaching…Pastor Roger Oakland sent a news letter a year ago showing his pdl book in comparison to an occult book written a few years before and it read the same on almost every page. Now that worries me even more…

    —————– Your comment about TB Joshua
    Yolandi
    Submitted on 2010/02/02 at 11:46pm

    Springbok ‘Healed’ by T.B. Joshua Sadly Pass Away

    I dont have a problem with Joshua so much because I believe God can heal anyone …Jesus said many will come and do even greater miracles than He did…So if Kruger died and others it might not have been in Gods will for them to live any longer then they did…I saw him (joshua) through the grace of Jesus bring back a baby from the dead and I to this day cannot believe that Satan has any hold or claim to life and death..Only God has that power…

    Sorry Debs we have to agree to disagree on this one :))

    ——————- Your comment about Louie Giglio and John Piper disagreeing with Contemplative prayer but support Mark Driscoll
    Yolandi
    Submitted on 2010/01/12 at 6:13pm

    Louie Giglio – Sometimes Silence is Loud

    Ive seen most of Giglio’s confrences and his silence and the emergent silence are two different things. I agree with you on most things Debs but Giglio is always word based and ive been to passion its more a way to bring praise to Jesus “become quiet and know that I am God”… If he hummed and bonged a drum I would be seriously worried but Ive seen interviews asking him about other religions and he always said that other religions cannot replace Jesus. He is aligned with John Piper and Piper is against contemplative prayer he has numerous articles on desiringgod.com urgeing people not to take part in contemplation.If it does come out that Giglio is emergent I will ask my friends to stop supporting passion…

    My mum and I went to see Sarel Vd Merwe and we brought the dvds there is def strange things happening in this world and we need to fight it.

    ——————- Your comment about Ray MacCauley endorsing WWC
    Yolandi
    Submitted on 2010/02/02 at 11:53pm

    Maybe he will join a cult like his buddy Jayz and marry 6 woman? I have lost respect for him …Not because he is divorcing that catstrophy of a wife (he can divorce as many as he wants)….however it still gets me that he endorses the world parliment of churches and thats why this time he has lost my vote…

    Lindy is still single and working at Osteen’s church she writes on facebook alot about how wonderful ray is ect …

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  15. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    JOHN PIPER THINKS RICK WARREN IS THEOLOGICALLY SOUND

    John Piper – Rick Warren and the Desiring God National Conference

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShxvN8YWTlA&feature=player_embedded

  16. Elmarie A says:

    Yolandi

    I dont have a problem with Joshua so much because I believe God can heal anyone …Jesus said many will come and do even greater miracles than He did…So if Kruger died and others it might not have been in Gods will for them to live any longer then they did…I saw him (joshua) through the grace of Jesus bring back a baby from the dead and I to this day cannot believe that Satan has any hold or claim to life and death..Only God has that power…

    You believe in nothing but satanic rituals i’m sorry to say.Anyone who believe TBJ is a man of God is blinded by this mans satanistic rituals.

    Yolandi you are playing with fire and will get of second best if you carry on with these games. You cannot play games with God.

  17. Elmarie A says:

    Deborah (Discerning the World)

    I share in your bad mood today. I don’t have insomnia but just very very tired today and the last couple of weeks.

  18. Yolandi says:

    Im going to make a case against you of slander if you do not remove these posts. You will not make slanderous remarks against my names that are not true. You have no right to judge me. If you continue to post things against me I will have to take this to the authorities.

    [EDITED: comments have been removed]

  19. Yolandi says:

    You have 10 minutes to remove the posts or I will drive to the nearest police station.

    [EDITED: comments have been removed]

  20. Yolandi says:

    I know who you are Deborah and im taking this up with the Roodepoort authorities you have publicly accused me of things that are not true

  21. Micheal says:

    You are one sick crazy lady Deborah and you need some serious help

    [EDITED: Please don’t try using another name, in other words, stick to using the same name you used in your first comment on my blog]

  22. Robbie says:

    I really though for a long time there would only be male expose’s… Like men of sin that would be revealed in these days?

    But then there was the one woman crying for Tammuz… and the Oprah type inviting them into her house to deceive them. (Speaking about Yolandi)

    Oh yes and then there is the fact about rat poison. It is 99.9% food and .1% poison. It kills. Ask Tuberculoses Joshua. He mixes “food” well with “poison”

  23. Robbie says:

    oh I hate suspense!! lol

  24. bob says:

    Amanda,

    Thanks for showing me that. They are praying to Satan to come and complete their communitarian NWO.

    Bruce Wilkinson is doing the same in Namibia:

    “Bruce Wilkinson, author of The Prayer of Jabez, is a leader in the effort to transform Africa (He partners with World Vision [UN-NGO]). Wilkinson was the keynote speaker for the “Transformation Namibia” celebration held on May 1, 2003 (May Day is a major Satanic holiday, Beltaine). The “Transformation Namibia” website states that their “ambition is all about government, business and church leaders joining hands to address the real needs of our country.” This means their ambition is to implement Communitarianism in Namibia. What kind of gospel do government and business leaders join hands with? Their mission is “transforming Africa through unity and prayer, as we mobilize the body of Christ, and all spheres of society, community by community, nation by nation, with the full gospel of Jesus Christ.” “Transformation Namibia’s” strategy is “to facilitate a national leadership strategy.” And “to formalize measurable targets per main focus areas for March 2010 and March 2030.” “Measurable targets” may refer to the measurable goals demanded by the global communitarian system. Church growth leaders are pragmatists who validate efforts by measurable results. Men like Noah would have been kicked off his church growth leadership team.
    http://www.thewatchmanwakes.com/John-Macarthur-TMAI-Leadership-church-growth.html

  25. bob says:

    Piper announces his need to take time away from the ministry (he will still be accepting paychecks)at the same time he decides openly to get in bed with Warren. Sounds like it’s all well calculated to remove heat from himself as he transitions more from the role of preacher to the role of facilitator (attempting to facilitate some kind of “common ground” between biblical truth and Warren’s heresy–afterall, Warren does sometimes read the writings of reformed Christians…like Edwards [according to Piper]). And all the speakers at the Desiring God conference have topics associated with human thinking and reasoning which is nonsensical in light of God’s word. Maybe they’d invite Descartes to the conference if he was available. The whole conference is heretical

  26. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    bob

    Totally… and yet they will run there like a a crowd gone wild.

    Re paycheck. Yes. I actually wanted to say in my article; During these 8 months would he remove his books from the market? Nah.

  27. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Robbie

    Sorry for suspense. Just gonna have to keep it like that for a few more hours. I am working on it… turning out to be a lot more writing than I expected.

  28. Amanda says:

    bob

    From your link:

    It matters little to change agents whether the diverse group is meeting to talk about financial matters, world hunger, curing the sick, the Bible, or whether they are going to a restaurant, or enjoying fun summer BBQ’s, or playing miniature golf. All that matters is that they are together, that they are sharing, that they are open to seeing matters from each other’s viewpoint, that they are experiencing compromise, finding common ground, and are being transformed into group thinkers who will always have a willingness to compromise Truth for group consensus.

    Ouch. And they call that a new way of being church. It is not even Christian.

  29. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Amanda/Bob

    It matters little to change agents whether the diverse group is meeting to talk about financial matters, world hunger, curing the sick, the Bible, or whether they are going to a restaurant, or enjoying fun summer BBQ’s, or playing miniature golf. All that matters is that they are together, that they are sharing, that they are open to seeing matters from each other’s viewpoint, that they are experiencing compromise, finding common ground, and are being transformed into group thinkers who will always have a willingness to compromise Truth for group consensus.

    I tell you coffee shops are big business. If you can start a chain of ‘Common Ground’ coffee shops you will make a fortune.

    All everyone does is give all their money to the person next to them in a loving gesture of wanting to pay for eachothers coffee. The organiser/community leader will however ask for donations to start an orphanage. Everyone is so high on caffeine that buy that time the money has been circulated, everyone has actually paid for their own coffee and given away R25000 to the guy who first passed the buck.

    Hmmm, Common Ground is a brilliant name for a coffee shop. I Register, Trademark, Copyright that.

  30. bob says:

    Deborah,

    Great idea, but it’s already been taken here in the US.

    http://commongroundsdavis.com/
    http://www.commongroundgr.com/

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