False Teachers – What do you do when?

WalkThePlank - False teachers

Most people trapped in blatant false teaching manage to escape their captors evil clutches and then run off seeking truth in the direction of men, other men who preach false teaching but are not so blatant.

What do you do when these men preach a version of the truth; they have the gospel message down to a fine art except when it comes to the message of salvation.  This is where they know they will trap the soul.

  • False teachers teach the truth to a certain extent, but stop absolutely short of teaching a genuine message of salvation.
  • Twist the deity of Jesus Christ just ever so slightly to make their entire message a waste of time.
  • Twist the meaning of the blood of Jesus just slightly to make their message of salvation null and void.
  • Twist the meaning of Jesus’ sacrifice for us on the cross that He did not die for the whole world but only for the Calvinistic elect and the message is null and void.
  • Add works through Lordship salvation and they’ve destroyed it.
  • Make the gospel of Jesus about men instead of God.
  • Twist just the smallest bit of who Jesus IS, add too Jesus, take away just the smallest thing from Jesus, and you have destroyed everything.

What do you do when you have people running from blatantly false teachers i.e., (Kobus van Rensburg, Todd Benltey, Benny Hinn etc ) into the arms of men who are supposed to be renown in good solid teaching and therefore should be able to be trusted?

How do you now tell those people who escaped the blatantly false teacher that the person they are now entrusting their ‘learning’ too is also false.

The blatantly false came dressed in a clown suit, the real master deceiver is dressed like a banker with a polished smile.  Who would have know that the banker wore clown suit underwear?

This was the plan all along!  The Trinity Broadcasting Networks of the world would have their way, they would have the lime light, they would persuade the masses, they would be effective in leading millions onto another path – a Roman Catholic path.

This was the plan from the beginning…

As time would go by (a good few years at that) The TBN’s of the world would start to preach very weird things; the signs and wonders would get weirder, their lies more extreme.  Then there would be the branch-offs like the New Apostolic Reformation (C. Peter Wagner’s crew) and the likes of God TV would jump on the scene.  They would come in from another angle, with the same rubbish doctrine but with a different image.  But sooner or later they too would be branded as ‘those who fill their pockets with money, nothing but prosperity preachers’.  And this is what has happened.  Then Rick Warren popped on the scene and purposefully drove million of people in to the hands of the Roman Catholic Church.

Now a shift has taken place.

Prosperity bad!  Social Transformation good!  Everyone is Purpose Driven.  But both are bad because it’s the same rubbish doctrine as before but with a different image.  You even now find the clown trying to dress up like a banker like Andrew Strom for instance.

Planned to perfection.

Discernment ministries warned about these people, and they thought no one was listening.  WELL, how wrong were we, there were hundreds of thousands of people listening. Who did we recommend for them?  The ‘good’ ministers dressed like a banker, because apparently we throught they preached the truth.  We recommended the Calvinists for instance; because I thought the Calvinists were about as close to still being genuine as one could get.

Then the tide turned.

The TBN’s were now seen for what they are: FALSE TEACHERS.  Benny Hinn is officially a CON-ARTIST.  And the tattoos on Todd Bentley are not stick on tattoos.  The whole revival was a scam.  People were shook to the core after Lakeland.  So what did they do?  Most searched and searched, and they found the likes of Louie Giglio, John Piper, and John MacArthur

We should never at all be surprised to be told that false teachers will appear from the outside, sneaking their way in among the people of God.   But we missed this part completely; where the bible warns us that false teachers will arise from “within” the people of God.

Acts 20:28-30  28 Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of Godwhich He purchased with His own blood.  29 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock.  30 Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves.

What do you do when this happens?

Well this is what I am going to do.

I am writing this because I want to publicly apologise to every person I told that John MacArthur was legit. I did not understand the doctrine of Calvinism for a short time and I told people that Calvinists were ok.  How wrong I was.  If I don’t open my mouth and speak the truth, then I am no better than all the others leading people astray.  I feel sick to be honest. I have learnt a big lesson here.

I side with no one but Jesus Christ the Son of God.  I will never take the side of men no matter how good their ministry seems.  Does this mean I don’t trust anyone?  Of course not.  It just means that if and when (but hopefully not) they start to preach false doctrine or their background colours are exposed, I will not hesitate to make them take a long walk off a short plank.    

False Teachers - What do you do when?



Deborah (Discerning the World)

Deborah Ellish is the author of the above article. Discerning the World is an internet Christian Ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa. Tom Lessing and Deborah Ellish both own Discerning the World. For more information see the About this Website page below the comments section.

44 Responses

  1. bob says:

    Good Post. It is common when Christians discern that their church and pastor are false, that they run into the arms of certain “discernment ministries” who have written extensively about the dangers of left wing socialism, liberalism, and UN influence creeping into the churches and leading Christians into a socialist world government. But what the Christian who has escaped the left wing fails to realize is that the world government also has a right wing fascist component. So these “discernment ministries” get the Christians who have escaped out the front door, and they usher them back into the world government through the back door as they advise that the Christians now support right wing fascism which is just as evil and which in the US is the agenda of the CNP. This is why you’ll see many “discernment ministries” painting Rick Warren as the devil for his promotion of the “left wing” UN agenda, while these same “discernment ministries” will strongly promote orgs like Eagle Forum and Focus on the Family without telling their Christian readers and followers that these “right wing” orgs are also fully dedicated to the same UN agenda as NGO’s of the UN.

  2. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    I know, it’s so sad isn’t it. But I also think that some discernment ministries actually don’t know the full extent of what is happening. There is so much going on. I would never have gone and done what you did regarding your research on MacArthur. But you did it and you have now exposed the lies and people now have a choice to follow him or turn away from him and follow Jesus Christ and His commandments!

    I have emailed a few discernment ministries who just recently put John MacArthur on their blog list (due to the fact that he now has a blog). I even commented there on his first article – praising him for standing for the truth. Oh man… :( You know it’s one thing to ‘thank someone’ but I almost gave him a standing ovation. How pathetic of me :( I must say this one is going to take me a while to get over.

    Anyhow I have done what I needed to do by writing this post. I have made my choice. Now let’s pray others do the same.

  3. serv.of.Christ Gerard Willemse says:

    Brilliant! You have recognized you own error, admitted it and apologized… Now if only some of our “beloved” preachers out there could follow this example of humbling themselves and confessing their faults.

  4. bob says:

    Yes. Let’s pray that others wake up to the truth about Macarthur. If you care to, then email several of the “discernment ministries” letting them know about the report on Macarthur. It may be that none of them help expose him. Why? Because their opposition to church growth is only controlled. It’s OK to expose Warren, but to expose Macarthur, Mohler, Piper…is going out of bounds.

    Macarthur has a blog? I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s never even been to his “own” blogsite.

  5. Burning Lamp says:

    Very well done Deborah! Thank you for your humility, honesty and transparency.

    And Bob you have hit the proverbial nail on the head. I know a conservative org speaking a lot of Christianese while headlining Phyliss Schlafly who is a Roman Catholic. They have hooked many Christians who are political conservatives. They hype gold on their site while the Bible says not to lay up treasures. It is that preservationist mentality that is so against what the Bible teaches! And I was so saddened to see that Dave Hunt has been added to their lineup of guest authors. Sadly, Olive Tree Ministries has aligned with this group as well. Much of what they present is good information, but that only serves as a masquerade to make the false more acceptable.

    Some of the discernment ministries are by Calvinists who preach a false gospel. Just because they call themselves a discernment ministry does not mean they are reliable.

    It is almost surreal. We must press on and do our part to defend the faith and

  6. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    Yeah he has a blog. It’s went up about 2 months ago, maybe a lit longer. His first post was exposing TBN. And in doing so he has words linked to all his books you can buy on the subject. Nah he does post, but comments are very much moderated. I have not tried to comment re this info on him – So I wont just to conclusions yet that it will be deleted before I try. He seems to do recorded sermons and then asks questions to the public if they understand what he said. Smart.

    I need to check my email to see if I have any replies from the ministries I emailed. Even an acknowledgement they received it would be nice and I would be happy with that. Least I know they read what I said. Many don’t even acknowledge so you wonder if they even read it.

  7. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Burning Lamp

    Ahhh Olive Tree Ministries. I was wondering what on earth was going on there recently this was during the time I posted my Chuck Missler article. I saw on the front page some very weird articles and links. I have not been back there in a while. But just from reading the front page I was very surprised.

    Oh I worry about Dave Hunt.

    I see many blogs who I ‘trusted’ and might still who knows…as I said I will wait to see what they do and say in the near future, are linked to ‘Reformata’. What is this exactly? I have not had time to check.

    And now let’s add Paul Washer into the washing machine. I’ve watched a few of his Youtube videos and was impressed but something bothered me a lot. So I emailed his ministry about 1.5 years ago and they all believe in amillenialism. I said, “WHAT?”

  8. bob says:

    The Christian conservatives sure love P Schlafly. They say she’s a Dame in the Knights of Malta. The KOM supported Hitler.

    Macarthur, the bridge-builder, has been on TBN–I believe more than once.

  9. Burning Lamp says:

    Paul Washer gushes and sounds SOOOOOO good and gets people revved up, but he is a Calvinist and I didn’t know about the Amill. bit. We do have to look a gift horse in the mouth. If you are a city gal you wouldn’t know what this means. It may look good, it may sound good and say all the right things, but upon closer examination it has a rotten core.

  10. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Burning Lamp

    Regarding the A-Zmillinialism. I have the email. Oh yes I do…somewhere. I shall rummage through my billion emails to find it.

    >> We do have to look a gift horse in the mouth. If you are a city gal you wouldn’t know what this means.

    LOL – Back in the day they used smoke signals to send messages now we have 3 SwanSat satellites that will control the world soon – beat that one ;)

  11. Romans 10:14-17 Are there any pastors that you do approve of???? Some of the Pastors you malign here have brought many to the saving grace of Jesus Christ!!!!! Thank you, Carol Baldwin

  12. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    >> there any pastors that you do approve of????

    Romans 10:14-17 14How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

    Just the BIBLE as not ALL men can’t be trusted. But the Word of God is 100% all the time. The Bible tells you that you are to test everything against the His Word. Do you do that or do you just take for granted that these men who once preached a good message are still preaching a good message? Would you like to go and just do a double check to make sure these men you revere so much are still preaching the truth? Or are they preaching a mixture or truth and error?

  13. Robbie says:

    >> there any pastors that you do approve of???

    Hey this is a good question. I live in a small town. None here but it is amazing how one grows and learn from just allowing the Spirit to teach you!!!

    Yes Debs… Word is still unchanging… unlike a few guys I met during my church hopping.

  14. Elmarie A says:

    >>unlike a few guys I met during my church hopping.

    Our church pastor that we left last year in Oct 2009, announced he was going to go on 3 months leave, because Herold Wietz spoke this prophetic word over him. Well yes the pastor also had dreams to confirm this prophetic word spoken over him. To go into quietness with God.

    As we left the Lewende Woord church that last Sunday my husband said , “well now we can go do some church hoping for the next 3 months”. We never got to go church hoping as it was not what the Lord intended for us. Instead we where led by the Holy Spirit to learn what discernment is, He seriously led us to the narrow path indeed. All the glory to Him our ONLY SAVIOUR!!!

    I have come to the conclusion that there are hardly if any churches that are safe in our area with about over an 50 in our area for any saved christian currently.

    I eco your words “but it is amazing how one grows and learn from just allowing the Spirit to teach you!!!”

  15. Robbie says:


    Dit klink soos my “copy n paste” verhaal.
    The hopping was extremely brief when My wife and I decided to built our own little church in the backyard. Ons noem dit die ark…
    gits!..It has been 4 years now

    “Lewende woord” se jy? lol… nee jong, ek en my vrou was nou nie sover links nie. I thought I was safe for life in the conservative gospel of the “susters kerke”

  16. Elmarie A says:


    May you remain safe and true with your ‘Ark’ and you are in our prayers.

  17. Elmarie A says:


    Is dit nie ongelooflik die label wat mense jou gee tot in die kerke van links of regs wees , so het die politiek maar ook die oorhand oor die kerke en maak mense hulself hulle eie gode. Ons sal moet verleer om so te dink ek inkluis. lo lol lol

    Angus se MCC is mos dan links ne lol lol lol lol

  18. Robbie says:


    Angus links?…..LOL – met al daai afrikaners da?

    And thanks for the good bon voyages for the ark… the ark started it all…

    Of wat se ek Faan?

  19. Michael says:

    I am a truly saved child of God who relies on only Christ’s atonement for my justification into His kingdom but I acknowledge that I had to turn my back on my sin’s and choose His way….my only guide comes from His Word as indeed He is the Word made flesh.There is nothing I can claim to be worthy on my own,,,it is only my convenant relationship with Him that is good.
    Signs…wonders…dreams…sensationalism…mass gatherings..emotionism given by men who are highly suspect in integrity and genuine concern….self-seekers…who compromise with His Word…being slightly or blantly out of context are manipulators of the truth.There is nothing more deceptive than the truth spoken out of context.
    The only direction is to be really honest with God and read His Word with integrity and not listen to these charlatans that sully and desecrate God’s message of the cross at Calvary.You can read about them in the books of Peter and Jude and the Lord Jesus Christ blatantly warned us in the gospels that there will be plenty of them in the last days. Hey guys be honest with yourselves and God and read the bible with integrity and then the Holy Spirit will guide you if you are genuine. No more this way or that…being double-minded when so called dubious signs and wonders are claimed.

  20. Jeanie says:

    This is a nice apology with no substance can you explain why you don’t ‘like John Macarthur?

  21. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    He denies the blood of Jesus Christ – JMA sees the blood of Jesus as being LIQUID ONLY.
    He believes he is ELECT (chosen by God before birth) thereby Jesus did not die for the whole world but only for Calvinists

    As nice looking as he is, and that smile can make your heart aflutter he believes in some very serious things and I refuse to follow this man. You are not to follow men anyhow, you are to follow the TEACHINGS of JESUS CHRIST – so read your bible instead of JMA’s teachings of what the bible means.

  22. David says:

    Deborah, this liquid controversy started probably 26 years ago now and it arose from a simple misunderstanding of what he taught about Jesus sacrificial death. Most people I met who referred to this “liquid blood” issue always stated it based on some website reference as opposed to listening to any sermon or reading any book he wrote. The critics who started the show were themselves claiming that Jesus blood was stored in heaven and applied to believers, a heresy in itself. So they start rumour mongering to discredit John Macarthur and hey ho. The point is like you said everyone must put to the test anything they hear from any so called man of God, including John Macarthur. I do not agree with everything he preaches but this liquid blood thing is gradually becoming an urban legend.

  23. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    No it’s now an urban legend it’s alive and well and in his latest Study Bible.

  24. YvZ says:

    Hi DTW, I was just wondering what your thoughts are about Pastor Jason Cooley? I quite like some of his sermons, as he preaches a lot about exposing Hollywood, the music industry, satan etc… I am a little confused about his message on salvation, and I am still looking into that. Just don’t have a lot of time at the moment. Thanks!

  25. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    Actually have not heard of this guy before. Can you send me a link to his belief in salvation that confuses you a bit and let me take a look at it.

  26. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    Ahhhhh I did a quick search and no wonder you are concerned, yes Jason Cooley preaches what is called Lordship Salvation. That in order to be saved you need to be sinless or you need to have a change of character and conduct to be saved. This is not true. You can look at this article explaining Lordship Salvation.

  27. YvZ says:

    Thanks Debs, I also read your article on Lordship Salvation. If I may ask, what source did you use to for info on Jason Cooley? I also tried to do some research on him, as I always do on anybody that gets my attention, but couldn’t find much.

    This Lordship Salvation controversy makes my head spin. For me, this is very difficult subject. On the one side you have the Lordship Salvation controversy, and one the other hand the Bible says we must strive to be holy, because God is holy.

    Lev 20:7 – Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy; for I am the Lord your God. And 1 Pet 1:15-16 also says we must be holy.

    If I see someone living in sin, I don’t expect them to be saved, which sadly, also is the case for a lot of people. Is there not something wrong if you say you are a Christian, but your life does not show it?

    I understand, that you don’t need to have a change of character to be saved, but should we not strive to have a change of lifestyle in order to be an example to others?

    I listened to a few of his sermons, he is very straightforward, and backs all his sermons up with KJV Biblical scriptures. To me, he is warning people against a lot of evils in this world. What is the difference in teaching Lordship Salvation and warning people against evil and dangers of this world, and telling them to get rid of sin in their lives?

  28. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    >> but should we not strive to have a change of lifestyle in order to be an example to others?

    ABSOLUTELY, that is the working of the Holy Spirit in your life. If you are not striving towards holiness then there is something wrong.

    We can’t judge people based on how they are living, because someone might be smoking for instance and is desperately trying to quit and in prayer with Jesus asking for deliverance. I was once that person and it took me a year of prayer before I was miraculously and wonderfully delivered from smoking. I could not stop on my own and none of the ‘stop smoking’ gimmicks helped either, but I smoked and I was genuinely saved and I was in prayer desperately asking Jesus to deliver me. It took a long time but He did – I know the reason why it took so long as well, but I wont get into that, all I know is that I don’t judge people because I was there.

    However if the person is smoking and can’t go a day without drinking and can’t see anything wrong with it, then we might be able to a put question mark on that person. The Holy Spirit chastises us when we sin and He lets us know that we are not pleasing Jesus at all and because of His chastisement we come back to Jesus through repentance of our sin.

    Will we ever be holy or sinless, never like Faan who we chatted with and believes he is holy. But as a Christian you will strive to not sin and that is one of the differences between being a nominal Christian and a genuine Christian. Will genuine Christians stumble? Absolutely, but they feel totally lost because of it and come back to Jesus sooner or later BECAUSE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT in their life.

    Lordship salvation basically means that you need to have a complete change of nature to be saved or be practically sinless or sinless to remain saved or even worse because you are saved you are now sinless. This is not true. So Calvinists for instance (who love to preach Lordship Salvation) have to preach ‘good works’ – they need to ‘persevere’ with their ‘good works’. Because Calvinists trash the message of salvation and believe they are Elect before they were born (hence they don’t need Jesus Christ) they need to now teach Lordship Salvation as it’s all they got left…the law.

    There are others besides Calvinists who also teach Lordship Salvation like Arminianism for instance who believe you can lose your salvation. The moment you believe you can lose your salvation you deny Jesus Christ’s working in your life through the Holy Spirit and you need to now rely on the law aka Lordship Salvation.

    Re- Jason Cooley, errrrrr can you show me the comment I made on him? I have this faint recollection but my brain is not firing on all cylinders right now… (wait I’ll so a search lol – oh I found it, in this article…*dumb moment*)

    YvZ I edited the above sentence in italics to make more sense because there are actually a few variants of LS – that is why its a difficult topic to understand.

  29. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Jason Cooley I think is a Calvinist if you read this you might get a clue to what he believes. I know this is written by someone else but this is his website and this is what he believes too. It smells like Lordship salvation to me: http://oldpathsbaptistchurch.org/beliefs/the-baptist-bible-position-on-repentance/

    Calvinists are wonderful preachers of repentance of sin…they rattle your heart strings about changing your ways etc, but when you look deeper, things are not all that is seems.

    Oh there is this: (I have not watched it, I am running low on bandwidth and need to be careful what I look at)



  30. RJ says:

    Hi Deborah & all! Perhaps of interest, it was actually studying & looking online for info about John Mac that brought me initially to your site here! See, I’d spent a few years stint at a lady’s end time ministry blog — however, she’s a staunch Calvinist through & through and (sadly) relies heavily on JMac’s teaching & sermons & site!! So anyway, sigh, I tried (in vain) to explain to her that John Calvin was a MURDERER, who had his best friend burned at the stake simply for refusing to believe the same way Calvin did!! Scripture says that those who murder do not have eternal life abiding in them, so therefore “guess where” Calvin is spending his forever-eternity? It’s certainly not in Paradise with the Lord! He didn’t “march right into heaven” on the basis of sensing he was “chosen” or “elected”!!

    Too many other things bothered me about JMac…. certainly downplaying Christ’s blood; also never officially recanting that people on earth (during that time) can take the mark of the beast during the Tribulation & still be saved. That bothered me a lot. For this past year I have diligently studied Scripture about being “elect” (called, chosen) next to Scriptures that invite ALL….. “whosoever will”. Truth? It bothers me GREATLY when someone gets so smug in thinking they’re a SPECIAL chosen “child of God” (Calvinistic beliefs, election) just by having been born that way, without coming to the Lord on His terms (repentance towards God and belief in Jesus) and that everyone was else was created specifically to burn in hell… with no choice of ever approaching the Lord for salvation! Yes, I see this as callous, SMUG attitudes!

    At any rate, during many of my late nights while up studying online, I’ve since read that JMac has built a museum ABOUT HIMSELF!! Look it up! Oh my word, isn’t that downright smug?? Also from my research in finding out he’s a freemason as well, I dunno’ ~ but one can get to wondering if he’s even truly a born again Christian!! Or part of the masons/illuminati who will help usher in the One World Gov’t??

    During the (soon encroaching Tribulation) will his church be part of the “line right up here and get this mark placed on your hand or head”… all the while preaching ‘the elect are still saved’ even if they took the mark?? This would fly in the face of Scripture, but since delusion will be the subject of the day, this scenario would not surprise me in the least!!

    Okay, now I’m going to get “beat up” (Spiritually) for posting this! So ARMOR ON!! And please any REAL Christians reading this, pray for me! Get my back, if you will! Thanks.

  31. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    Thank you for you comment, I am so happy that you can see the wood for the trees with it comes of JMA, sooo many people can’t – they love him and his teachings as if they were the Word of God alone…

    You are in my prayers RJ! :)

  32. YvZ says:

    Thanks for your answers Deb, makes a lot more sense, and after reading the article – still have to watch the videos (also a bit low, lol)… Most of this knowledge about calvanism, lordship salvation etc is new to me. It opened my eyes alright! In the article you send, the writer also did not quote ONE single scripture, which is already suspect.

    I am not puffing Jason Cooley up, I just liked his sermons on Hollywood, and I am glad people are exposing television, music and the media for what it is. Believe me, I don’t listen to a lot of preachers for obvious reasons.

    So basically, they are preaching repentance and believe you can loose your salvation, and if you don’t repent and change who YOU are, you are not saved? In that case, I can add a few more people to my list, ugh!

    But, is it wrong to listen to other teachings of for example, Jason Cooley (or who ever) on subjects I mentioned above?

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Will we ever be holy or sinless, never like Faan who we chatted with and believes he is holy.


  33. Diana says:

    Thanks for some awesome articles to help us keep on track.
    One thing I am unable to find on your website, but that is happening in our church is “The Courts of Heaven”!
    The pastor and his wife take the counselee into their office, at home the intercessors pray for the full duration of the 3 hour session. As the intercessors receive words / dreams / or whatever, they send it to the pastor and wife via WhatsApp. The pastor then writes everything received on a board and then puts it into place like a puzzle which then is supposed to revealed the problem / blockage in the counselee’s walk with Jesus. The counselee is not allowed to share anything of his / her life with the counselor’s, but must determine if what is coming through from the intercessors is accurate. They are then basically set free without any other deliverance needed.
    Is this biblical or occultic?

  34. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    Oh my goodness, this is divination through and through. The intercessors are acting as if they were ‘mediums’ receiving info about a person which they then send to the pastor who somehow manages to re-arrange all the messages that reveals the persons problem. This is blatant spiritualism in practice. Ok the intercessors are not communicating with the dead, they are however communicating with the demonic world.

    The bad thing is the person that is being councelled is getting accurate info sent to him/her via the spirit medium ‘intercessors’ and they are getting their info from demonic spirits. It appears this ‘accurate’ info is supposedly helping people, but in fact it’s putting people into some serious demonic bondage.

    You may as well go to John Edwards or that lady on TV, the Long Island Medium (yes, they speak to the dead, however as per the bible we know this is not possible, they are in fact communicating directly with demonic forces that are giving them info to pass on) so technically it’s the same thing. What this pastor and his intercessors are doing is the exact same thing.

    The Bible, in fact, contains many stern warnings against spiritualism (Leviticus 19:31; Leviticus 20:6; Leviticus 21:8; Deuteronomy 18:9–13). King Saul, broke God’s commandment not to engage in the occult in his case spiritualism and ultimately he lost his kingdom because of it (1 Samuel 15:23; 1 Chronicles 10:14).

    When the disciples and apostles came across people who had powers of divination from contact with demons, they cast these evil spirits out of the people (Acts 16:16–18).

    The bible gives many verses that Christians should not seek contact or counsel with people who possess contact with spirits, because they are demonic and may give deceptive information to lead a person astray. (1 John 4:1).

    A person who has been delivered from a problem in this manner can have one of more things go wrong in their life, 1) They believe what has happened to them is of God and will steep deeper into false teaching 2) Become demonically afflicted; illness or depression, or the problem will go away for a while and then come back even worse along with other problems.

    The main reason why Satan uses false teachers to lead people astray is to get the people deeper into false teaching for it’s false teaching that drives a big wedge between people and God. Following false teaching = disobedience to God and that is a sin.

    I actually went to do a google search on this new practice called ‘The Court of Heaven’ and it’s scary, very scary… No longer is prayer normal anymore, no, you now need to envision yourself in a court in heaven, almost have an out of mind experience and then plead your case aka pray to God that way in order for your prayer/case to be heard and answered. This is scary stuff.

  35. Diana says:

    Thanks Deborah, you have just confirmed to me what I was suspecting all along, he is heavily into the occult, but I think he is deceived and doesn’t believe it is occultic what he is teaching and practising. He also preach’s on DNA (I have read your articles on this), that you must empty your mind when listening to God’s voice (also read your articles on this), plus him and his wife “prophesy” inaccurately. Oh my! Now what? I need to seek God and see whether to confront him (but he hasn’t listened to others) or just leave!?

  36. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    If you feel you must talk to him about it, then you must. Expect him to get angry with you and don’t be upset by this. It’s tough when you are trying to tell someone something so important as this and they get angry with you, it’s hurts one’s feeling. But be strong. And then yes you have to leave.

  37. Bethraham says:

    Hi Deborah
    I would like to encourage you in regards to your humility to deal with the realisation about your previous endorsement of John MacArthur. I have not known a lot about him (apart from his reputation as a strong bible teacher) until his recent Strange Fire Conference & Book. I just came across the article by Bob Johnson that eventually lead me to your site.

    Apart from the many serious questions raised by Bob Johnson (that will warrant some further investigation and corroboration) – For me the ‘deal breaker’ with John MacArthur is his error in substituting the word ‘blood’ for ‘death’ in the study notes of his 2006 Study Bible. Spurgeon has a great sermon about the need for the shedding of the blood for the remission of sins….. not to mention the ‘blood’ that was put on the door posts by the Jews to protect them from Death in the first Passover…. (Selah)

    …. so a word of encouragement to RJ too ….. MacAthur could have some explaining to do at the judgement if he chooses to not take the blood seriously for his own salvation…. so I concur with your line of thinking on that one.

    For without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins (Heb 9:22)

  38. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    Thank you for your comment Bethraham. Apparently, actually no, not apparently this is for real, JMA and team have held a youth getaway where they played pagan games. Google it, it’s a shocker.

    I too have an article on the blood of Jesus and it’s application in heaven and what it means for us: John MacArthur – Blood of Jesus Liquid / Never applied in Heaven

    Also I ask you to please look into the doctrine of Calvinism, it’s because of the doctrine of Calvinism that JMA and other Calvinists are preaching horrible false teachings. The basis of it all is the doctrine of Calvinism. It all starts with prideful Election, thinking God Elected one to be saved before the foundations of time and then others chosen by God to go to hell.

    Please read: What it Really Means to be Elected, Chosen, and Predestinated – The Biblical Truth

    Much love from me :)

  39. Deje Glassburn says:

    It’s difficult to read the stuff you’re selling! Deb!
    Did the Holy Spirit truly convict you and instruct you to discredit some of these men, who for decades, have preached Jesus Christ and Him crucified to people like you and me?
    And yeah! the Benny Hinn’s, the Creflo’s Dollar’s, the Joel’s & Joyce’s, the holy Hagin’s, and the entire spawn of Paul and Jan Crouch’s so-called ministry are certainly a given. But a few you have mentioned, and I would like to add, with love, continue to remind me that I’m still a man in need of a Savior each and everyday of my life! Who also remind me of God’s infinite agape love He has for me!
    You have honestly and humbly admitted earlier that you too are capable of error in some way shape or form.
    We all are! Deb!
    So, before you jump on your arrogant, pompous, “know it all”, legalistic, self righteous, band wagon, and start accusing men, and! women of their dastardly deeds and then spread it all over your tabloid, maybe you should read Mathew 18 and follow Jesus’s instructions thoroughly! first. And if I was a betting man, I would bet you one hundred pennies that you will get a response from the people who, BTW, aren’t even here to defend for themselves. I’m confident that when they do respond, I’m sure you will all be able to open up with a prayer to the same Jesus, break bread with open hearts and minds, and maybe! even disagree with one another, because Christians can do that you know??

  40. Deje Glassburn says:

    It’s difficult to read some of the stuff you’re saying DTW.
    Did the Holy Spirit truly convict you and instruct you to discredit some of these men, who for decades, have preached Jesus Christ and Him crucified to people like you and me?
    And yeah! the Benny Hinn’s, the Creflo’s Dollar’s, the Joel’s & Joyce’s, the holy Hagin’s, and the entire spawn of Paul and Jan Crouch’s so-called ministry are certainly a given. But a few you have mentioned, and I would like to add, with love, continue to remind me that I’m still a man in need of a Savior each and everyday of my life! Who also remind me of God’s infinite agape love He has for me! Who also have had and have the honor and privilege of leading thousands upon thousands of sinners to Christ!
    You have honestly and humbly admitted earlier that you too are capable of error in some way shape or form. We all are. I raised my hand first!
    So please, guilty or not, before you accuse these men and! women, maybe you can read Mathew 18 and follow Jesus’ instructions first. And if I was a betting man, I would bet you one hundred pennies that you will get a response from the people who, BTW, aren’t even here to defend for themselves. I’m confident that when they do respond, I’m sure you will all be able to open up with a prayer to the same Jesus, break bread with open hearts and minds, and maybe! even disagree with one another, because Christians can do that.


  41. Deje Glassburn says:

    I was a little miffed earlier when I read a few of your posts earlier tonight about false teaching.
    I’m sorry for the cruel words on my first post. They are offensive and hurtful words, and I am truly sorry for writing them the way I did.
    I obviously, cannot literally take them back, but I can change them.
    Please read my second post.
    I toned it down quite a bit!
    We all have convictions, some are more passionate than others!
    I too hate false teachers!
    As true brothers and sisters in Christ, we want to protect and defend the infallibility of God’s Word. I think that it is pleasing to a Sovereign God who is infinitely far more above and beyond man’s comprehension.
    Here’s the thing though. God doesn’t need our help. His thoughts and ways are not ours.
    And whatever these preachers are preaching, if its not in line with the sound doctrine we’ve been taught, then we are called by God to not only correct and rebuke, but to restore reconcile with love.
    Much love!
    Again, please forgive my offensive words in my first post, and please read my second post with open arms, because it is with much love and conviction that I write them.
    Thank you,


  42. Deje Glassburn

    Apology accepted. Thanks.

  43. Deje Glassburn

    For starters. Matthew 18 has nothing to do with correcting false teaching and erroneous doctrine. It concerns brothers who have sinned against one another in some way or another. We are exhorted to “earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” Jude 1:3. The contention is not to try and find common ground because we all believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Many Jews, among them the historian Josephus, believed in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ but remained unsaved. Roman Catholics believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Are they truly saved?

  44. Deje Glassburn

    You wrote

    It’s difficult to read some of the stuff you’re saying DTW.

    Did the Holy Spirit truly convict you and instruct you to discredit some of these men, who for decades, have preached Jesus Christ and Him crucified to people like you and me?

    And yeah! the Benny Hinn’s, the Creflo’s Dollar’s, the Joel’s & Joyce’s, the holy Hagin’s, and the entire spawn of Paul and Jan Crouch’s so-called ministry are certainly a given. But a few you have mentioned, and I would like to add, with love, continue to remind me that I’m still a man in need of a Savior each and everyday of my life! Who also remind me of God’s infinite agape love He has for me! Who also have had and have the honor and privilege of leading thousands upon thousands of sinners to Christ!

    The Holy Spirit will never convict you and instruct you to discredit some of these false teachers when they have already discredited themselves.

    Brothers and sisters, together follow my example and observe those who live by the pattern we gave you. For there are many, of whom I have often told you, and now tell you even with tears, who live as enemies of the cross of Christ [rejecting and opposing His way of salvation], whose fate is destruction, whose god is their belly [their worldly appetite, their sensuality, their vanity], and whose glory is in their shame—who focus their mind on earthly and temporal things. (Philippians 3:17-19 AMP)

    Indeed, God’s love is an infinite agape. That’s why He sends people to warn them of the path they have taken (Proverbs 14:12). It is when you withhold your warnings to them when you DO NOT mirror God’s infinite love.

    You wrote:

    I’m confident that when they do respond, I’m sure you will all be able to open up with a prayer to the same Jesus, break bread with open hearts and minds, and maybe! even disagree with one another, because Christians can do that.

    This is what God says:

    These men are hidden reefs [elements of great danger to others] in your [a]love feasts when they feast together with you without fear, looking after [only] themselves; [they are like] clouds without water, swept along by the winds; autumn trees without fruit, doubly dead, uprooted and lifeless; 13 wild waves of the sea, flinging up their own shame like foam; wandering stars, for whom the gloom of deep darkness has been reserved forever. (Jude 1:12-13).

    [a] Jude 1:12 The early church frequently met together for a communal meal followed by the Lord’s Supper.

    You are free and wewlcome to break bread with elements of great danger as much as you want. Remember, however, you will have to give an account of yourself to God for doing so.

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