Kobus van Rensburg – Self Anointed Prophet

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Kobus van Rensburg – Self Anointed Prophet

Kobus van Rensburg (Spirit Word Ministries) is a ‘prophet’ from South Africa. He follows the word of faith doctrine and dominion theology. I have watched him a few times on TV and all I can do is just shake my head in dismay – he is one of those preachers that can talk for hours but says nothing. When he gives a prophecy it rhymes like a poem! And he views himself in a very good light as being extremely sought after to bring the ‘good news’ to the nations.

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KOBUS THE PROPHET:

kobusvanrensburg-aboutKobus van Rensburg has appointed himself as a prophet and Kobus van Rensburg has a pace setting church. I ask, how can one set the pace of Christianity? No human can determine the future of the Church. I think what Kobus means by this statement is that he (along with many other so called ministers) are setting the pace for deception and the ushering in of the anti-Christ. His Church’s main focus is signs and wonders – interestingly enough these signs, miracles and wonders appear without the preaching of salvation. Miracles only ever happened in the New Testament after the Word was preached, to confirm Gods Word of salvation, never before.

T.B. JOHSUA AND KOBUS VAN RENSBURG:

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Kobus says that he and his wife are the ‘sole’ founders of Spirit Word Ministries. So is he saying that God had nothing to do with it? Hmmmm…But here is the clincher. Kobus went to see T. B. Joshua. Now, if you don’t know who T. B. Joshua is, then let me give you a brief outline. T. B. Joshua is also a self proclaimed prophet that has openly commented that he was born with his power.He produces ‘miracles’ like it’s going out of fashion and says they are from God.

He has a big poster hanging in is temple that says; ‘There is no deity (god) except Allah.’  And then a crucifix hangs near the poster.” There is no question that Joshua sends mixed signals. Although he prays in the name of Jesus, many of his methods are unorthodox. He converses with angels during sermons, speaks of traveling to other places in the spirit realm and has been known to ask people to walk through the audience naked to prove their healings. Some Nigerian leaders claim that animal sacrifices have been performed in Joshua’s church to generate a source for occult power. The pastors contend that this is the reason Joshua does not travel to other countries to conduct meetings.” 1

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Now Kobus says that the ‘signs and wonders’ in his church increased after he visited T. B. Joshua and the ‘Holy Spirit’ fell on him in a ‘very special way’. Last time I checked when one becomes saved you instantly receive the Holy Spirit for he leads us into all truth and is our comforter. You don’t get saved and then on another occasion receive the Holy Spirit. There is not a second or third time either to receive the Holy Spirit. When you accept Jesus into your life the Holy Spirit comes to abide in you immediately. He is not just attached to specific people and He is not more powerful with certain people either and He certainly cannot be transferred through touch or whatever medium T. B. Joshua used to pass this spirit onto Kobus van Rensburg. So Kobus with all his godly anointing went and sought after a man with demonic power and it was passed onto him. Remembering that T. B. Joshua said he was born with his power…so it does not come from God to begin with.

PS:  there is only ONE anointing Kobus – not multiple ones and this ONE anointing is NOT transferable.

Kobus says he is bringing the ‘Light and Fresh Glory’ into the church of Jesus Christ. What a horrendous comment to make. Jesus Christ is the Light and Glory of the church. But Kobus says he now brings fresh light and fresh glory into the church as though the message that Jesus Christ taught, that’s stood the test of time is stale. So Jesus, salvation and repentance of sin, the complete gospel message of the cross is boring and what Jesus spoke has no relevance in this day and age.

You go on to say that you are a sought after pastor because you ‘reveal present day truths’. What on earth does that mean? There is nothing new over and above the bible; the Word of God remains the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. Yet you expand on the bible and bring forth new revelation constantly. The old message is no longer applicable to this 21st century, the old message no longer applies to our world and culture and this is why there is a NEW message with NEW truths. Well I am sorry Kobus, but there are no new truths and no new revelations, and anyone who claims to have such things preaches a gospel that is contrary to the true gospel of Jesus Christ.  If you claim the Word of God as final and at the same time claim you have new truths for this day and age then you contradict yourself – which is it?  You can’t have your cake and eat it.

WHAT HAPPENS AT SPIRIT WORD MINISTRIES

Watch his videos on his website where he slays people in the spirit. He uses words like BAM BAM (I wonder if he taught Todd Bentley?) as he knocks people over with his invisible power like he is some kind of super hero. But interestingly enough he also makes a swoosh sound which I have heard before in other preachers who slay people using the same ‘spirit’. Who are you channeling Kobus?  No where in the bible is anyone knocked over like this, and when people did fall it was in judgment or willingly in reverence to our Lord Jesus.  – The manifestations of your ‘holy spirit’ are likened to Kundalini.

Kobus says that in meetings where he is preaching Jesus Christ is really showing up.  Really?  Wonder if he is speaking about Himself.

Jesus specifically said in:

Matthew 24: 23

“Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christ’s, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.”

Kobus, tsk, tsk…have you considered that the Jesus that is showing up is a false Christ (let me explain further; a fake Jesus Christ) or are you making this up to deceive others into thinking you are really anointed, that Jesus Christ Himself would grace you with His presence?

ADVERTISEMENT FOR A CRUCIFIX ON THEIR WEBSITE:

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AND THEY FOUND WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR:

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Why are you seeking a Roman Catholic Crucifix? With all your ‘anointing’ (multiple ones at that), how did you come to ignore the Holy Spirit on this issue? Did you wake up one morning with biblical amnesia and forget that Roman Catholicism is anti-Christ? Or is it because you actually believe in Ecumenism and that one day soon you will have a sermon on the Holy Mother of God and another sermon on all religions lead to one God? Judging by the fact that you visited T. B. Joshua I would say the latter rings very true.

Jesus Said It Is Finished!  

By Keith Green:  The Catholic Chronicles 2

“Every true believer loves the sound of these words: It is finished! (John 19:30). For it is the wonderful exclamation that the Lords suffering was finally over – He had fulfilled His mission! Jesus had lived a Life of Sorrow, bearing the burden of a world gone mad. He had been rejected by everyone, even His closest friends. He had lived a perfect life before men and God, and His reward on earth was to be laughed at, spat upon, beaten beyond recognition, and finally nailed to a cross. But He had submitted willingly, because it was the will of His Father to offer Him as the satisfaction of the penalty for all the sin in the world – past, present and future!

But here, in the words of a Roman Catholic priest, is the true meaning of the words it is finished! These words do not declare that His sacrifice was finished, but that He had finished His former, normal, earthly life and was now fixed in the state of a victim. He then began His everlasting career as the perpetual sacrifice of the new law. Hence, according to Rome, Jesus must be forever perpetually dying for sin.

Have you ever wondered why in every Catholic Church they still have Jesus up on the cross? Every crucifix with Jesus portrayed as nailed to it, tells the whole Catholic story – Jesus is still dying for the sins of the world! But that’s a lie! We need only look to the Scriptures to see the truth.”

SIGNED PRAYER CLOTH:

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It says, “God has really anointed Prophet Kobus van Rensburg in this ministry of miracles. Carry this cloth with you or just put your hand on the hand of Prophet Kobus & agree for your miracle.”You’ve got to be kidding. Just put your hand on the hand of Prophet Kobus and agree for your miracle? – with advertising and everything printed on the same cloth.Are you God? Oh wait, you follow word of faith/dominion theology;  of which Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, Morris Cerullo, T. D. Jakes and a whole host of others say ‘yes, I am a god’  This is Latter Rain Manifest Sons of God teaching. They believe that when you accept Jesus Christ into your life you actually start to become like Christ, you become a little god…really…I wish I was kidding, but its true people.

It’s not that God has anointed Kobus, it’s that Kobus has a little god anointing.

Folks, I don’t know what kind of spirit comes with this cloth (well actually I do), and it is NOT of God. The spirit that is passed on at these meetings is a counterfeit holy spirit that appears good but is not. I am told that people are really healed when Kobus prays for them. I don’t doubt that for one second. Satan can perform healing and he is not dividing his kingdom if he takes away an illness and gives you something more damaging, like making sure you follow Kobus’ false teachings right into his clutches.

REVIVAL:

On Kobus’ website in the following sermon:4

“Kobus says, only when the all things have been restored will Jesus come again. He is going to stay in heaven at the right hand of the Father. From God’s presence must first come times of refreshing. That refreshing will cause the restoration. If we seek God, we will get revival. If revival comes, restoration of all the things of which the prophets of old spoke about will come and then Jesus will return.”

Africanaquatics says:3

“This is Restoration/Dominion theology which advocates that Christians should take power of the earth, create dominion and then, only then, will Jesus come back. Not only does this belittle and demean our Saviour, but it makes men into little demi-gods. What is fundamental to understanding the last days before Jesus comes back, is the fact that Jesus Himself said there would be an APOSTASY, a falling away, before He comes back. NOT a Revival! Anyone who preaches or prophesies revival of the western church (the church of Laodicea) in the last days is biblically illiterate.

The Laodicean church is lukewarm, comfortable, rich, preaching what people want to hear, not what they should be hearing and if you read Revelation 3, Jesus is ready to spit this church out of His mouth! How true this is of the church of today!”

What does the Bible say?

2 Tim 4: 3-4

“3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”

2 Peter 2: 1-3

“But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.”

Jer 5: 30-31

“30 A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land; 31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so.”

KOBUS VAN RENSBURG ON CARTE BLANCHE – 21 Aug 2005 [5]

Well know, this is telling.  Ruda Landman interviews Kobus van Rensburg with regards to his ministry and healings. Quotes below:

Ruda Landman (Carte Blanche presenter): ‘How does it feel when you’re standing there and this power, this spirit, is running through you?’

Kobus: ‘It’s not me. I think it is I have found a secret how to allow God to flow through me. Like a big pipe that is connected to the water tower; if you open it, the water will come out.’

[DTW note:  You have found the secret?  Why is it a secret Kobus?  Where in the Bible does God have secrets and why are you the only one with this secret and no one else?  The only knowledge that is secretive is the Occult;  hidden wisdom.]

Ruda: ‘Don’t you think it could be dangerous, sometimes physically dangerous, that there are things that might be happening that you don’t… you are not a doctor… you don’t understand what is going on?’

Kobus: ‘No I don’t think so. I think I am busywith God’s business and God will vindicate for us. I am not trying to exalt Kobus van Rensburg, I am not trying to exalt myself.

[DTW note:  You sure sound confident that it’s really God that is working through you.  You think you are busy with God’s business?  You think?]

Kobus: ‘Or as Romans 2:7 says, we must seek immortality. Now we are not made to die, that’s right. Everybody fights death. We are not made to die.’

[DTW note:  Errr, immortality on this earth you forgot to mention.  Genuine Christians have eternal life in Heaven.  What you are speaking about is Mysticism, Christ consciousness teaching.  That we should seek to be gods on this earth, and gods are immortal.]

Kobus: ‘Why can the world prosper, but the church are not supposed to prosper. I produce the Kingdom of God, I present Jesus Christ, I give people life, I give them the Word, I give them healing, see. So they give me money. That’s how the word of God always operated.’

[DTW note:  YOU produce, YOU present, YOU give people life, YOU give them the Word, YOU give them healing?  So you are a little god!  Please supply 1 verse to to show that when Jesus healed people they gave Him money?]

KOBUS CAN’T BE TOUCHED, HE IS ANOINTED, HE IS A PROPHET;  WITH A SPIRIT HE THINKS IS FROM GOD:

kobusvanrensburg-anointedImage taken from a website dedicated to Kobus Van Rensburg:  http://spiritword.222.co.za

Wonder what the number 222 represents and why Spiritword would have chosen it?   Let’s go see:

*  Oneness vs. Division

* “The numerical value of these three “offspring” letters, “Beis,” “Chaf” and “Reish, is 222, reflecting the divided components of creation.”

* “But this division is only superficial, for in truth, all existence is part of G-d. Judaism recognizes no duality in creation. The oneness of G-d, the cosmic “Aleph,” pervades all existence, filling each centimeter of space and each millisecond in time with its spiritual energy, that vibrates in every blade of grass, every human heart and every grazing animal. This oneness is concealed and veiled, allowing for the perception of a divided world of “222.” But in truth, the entire cosmos is really one giant Aleph” 6

  • Pantheism – God is All
  • Panentheism – God is in All
  • Therefore Kobus van Rensburg is a god; part of one giant Aleph.

CONCLUSION:

Kobus van Rensburg is NOT anointed, he is NOT a prophet, he is NOT a god and he sure as nuts does NOT operate under the Holy Spirit. For if he did, he would NOT be doing what he is doing, preaching what he is preaching and visiting the men/women he is visiting.

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Resources:
1 http://www.charismamag.com/display.php?id=673
2 http://www.gracegems.org/7/catholic_chronicles.htm
3 www.africanaquatics.co.za/_christian/_articles/kvrensburg.htm
4 www.spiritword.org.za/Sermons/English/STEC/sermonTimesofRevival.htm
5 http://www.mnet.co.za/Mnet/Shows/carteblanche/Story.asp?Id=2870
6 http://www.jewish-holiday.com/kabnumbers.html
http://www.spiritword.org.za
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Deborah Ellish is the author of the above article. Discerning the World is an internet Christian Ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa. Tom Lessing and Deborah Ellish both own Discerning the World. For more information see the About this Website page below the comments section.

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pierre
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pierre

I submitted a comment to spirit word ministries saying that Kobus is no prophet of God.I then kept getting sms,s by one of his employees telling me that i was lost and going to hell. I might be lost mate but im not stuffing my pockets with poor suckers cash who believe your heresy. It is people like you that eventually chase people away from God. God does not make people laugh in the spirit or role around the floor ,if you read your bible you would have known that.

Wake up people

belle
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belle

i would enccourage you to focus on your relationship with Jesus if at all you do have one with Him and study His word because no metter what you say about all this man of God,you’ll be crushed by the annointing. the bible says in the book of acts 5:34-39.
notice more verse 38-it says “REFRAIN FROM THIS MEN AND LET THEM ALONE,FOR IF THIS WORK IS OF MEN-IT WILL PERISH AND IF IT IS FROM GOD..IT WILL REMAIN” V:39-LEST YOU FIND YOURSELF FIGHTING GOD HIMSELF.

Be blessed!

Elmarie A
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Elmarie A

belle

Please go do proper bible study your meaning of verses 38-39 being used is incorrect and twisted.

This is the proper meaning of Acts 5:38
Kobus van Rensburg is not a Bible prophet.

Geneva Study Bible

And now I say unto you, {n} Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of {o} men, it will come to nought:

(n) He dissuades his fellows from murdering the apostles, neither does he think it good to refer the matter to the Roman magistrate, for the Jews could endure nothing worse than to have the tyranny of the Romans confirmed.

(o) If it is counterfeit and devised.

Wesley’s Notes

5:38 Let them alone – In a cause which is manifestly good, we should immediately join. In a cause, on the other hand, which is manifestly evil, we should immediately oppose. But in a sudden, new, doubtful occurrence, this advice is eminently useful. If this counsel or this work – He seems to correct himself, as if it were some sudden work, rather than a counsel or design. And so it was. For the apostles had no counsel, plan, or design of their own; but were mere instruments in the hand of God, working just as he led them from day to day.

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary

38. if . of men, it will come to naught-This neutral policy was true wisdom, in the then temper of the council. But individual neutrality is hostility to Christ, as He Himself teaches (Lu 11:23).

Matthew Henry’s Concise Commentary

5:34-42 The Lord still has all hearts in his hands, and sometimes directs the prudence of the worldly wise, so as to restrain the persecutors. Common sense tells us to be cautious, while experience and observation show that the success of frauds in matters of religion has been very short. Reproach for Christ is true preferment, as it makes us conformable to his pattern, and serviceable to his interest. They rejoiced in it. If we suffer ill for doing well, provided we suffer it well, and as we should, we ought to rejoice in that grace which enabled us so to do. The apostles did not preach themselves, but Christ. This was the preaching that most offended the priests. But it ought to be the constant business of gospel ministers to preach Christ: Christ, and him crucified; Christ, and him glorified; nothing beside this, but what has reference to it. And whatever is our station or rank in life, we should seek to make Him known, and to glorify his name.

http://biblecommenter.com/acts/5-38.htm

Elmarie A
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Elmarie A

belle

Please go an test Kobus van Rensburg the way the Word of God tells us to test and see whether they proceed from God. You will find KVR is a false false prophet. Now you have allot of studying to do now go and do it.

Elmarie A
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Elmarie A

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Oh puuuulease…. ‘crushed by the anointing’? that’s a new one. lol

I just had this thought could it be that BH have invented this new one lol lol lol

Jac
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Jac

Kobus is a mighty man of God, may the Almighty continue to reveal things to him as he continues to teach us his word
You are blessed Prophet

Elmarie A
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Elmarie A

Jac

Ok Jac. But please go tell Kobus he is blessed Prophet somewhere else not here. I don’t believe this is the correct place, mmmm maybe you posted your comment on the wrong blog/site.

Debbie
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Debbie

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Amanda
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Amanda

I see I have been commenting on the wrong thread.

Sorry. No nastiness intended. But jealous of what? You have your treasure here on earth that is going to be burned. I look forward to a new heaven and a new earth and a new city:

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed. Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn! But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. (2Pe 3:10-13)

Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God. He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning nor crying nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.” And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” And he said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment. The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son. But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” (Rev 21:1-8)

Linsay
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Linsay

Rev 24 v 24 FOR FALSE CHRISTS AND FALSE PROPHETS WILL RISE AND SHOW GREAT SIGNS AND WONDERS TO DECEIVE , IF POSSIBLE EVEN THE ELECT

Admin – Edited (It should be Matthew 24:24 smile

Zoe
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Zoe

Have you realy realy asked the Holy Spirit to guide and lead you into all truth yet?
This is how I see and experience Prophet Kobus: The world is unprincipled. It’s dog-eat-dog out there! The world doesn’t fight fair. But Prophet Kobus don’t live or fight his battles that way – never have and never will. The tools of his trade (THE WORD OF GOD) aren’t for marketing of manipulation, but are for demolishing that entire massively corrupt culture. He use his powerful God-tools for smashing warped philosophies, tearing down barriers erected against the truth of God, fitting every loose thought and emotion and impulse into the structure of life shaped by Christ. His tools are ready at hand for clearing the ground of every obstuction and building lives of obedience into maturity.

Zoe
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Zoe

[EDITED: nasty, snyde comments are not welcome – Kobus van Rensburg is a FALSE TEACHER]

Zoe
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Zoe

[EDITED by DTW: Zoe your requests are getting a bit ridiculous, I am blacklisting your name]

Esteban
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Esteban

Hello, you requested to “Please supply 1 verse to to show that when Jesus healed people they gave Him money?”

Here you go:

Luke 8:1-3
“Now it came to pass, afterward, that He went through every city and village, preaching and bringing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God. And the twelve were with Him, and certain WOMEN WHO HAD BEEN HEALED of evil spirits and infirmities—Mary called Magdalene, out of whom had come seven demons, and Joanna the wife of Chuza, Herod’s steward, and Susanna, and many others who PROVIDED FOR HIM FROM THEIR SUBSTANCE.”

I think this will help you understand: http://www.iamaspirit.org/archives/991

Robbie
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Robbie

Esteban…
The word is ministered!! Jesus was their host and they provided food and accommodation probably. Do you think the “richest man” in the world would ride a donkey?

Exactly how W.O.F. preachers catches the ignorant…

This is the real verse.
Luk 8:3 And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod’s steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.

G1247
διακονέω
diakoneō
dee-ak-on-eh’-o
From G1249; to be an attendant, that is, wait upon (menially or as a host, friend or [figuratively] teacher); technically to act as a Christian deacon: – (ad-) minister (unto), serve, use the office of a deacon.

Robbie
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Robbie

Esteban… yes read that article DTW refers to.

Be careful of “imaspririt” you are referring to. They endorse false prophets like Andrew Womack and others.

Robbie
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Robbie

Esteban – Andrew Wommack
I think this will help YOU from the horses mouth.

http://youtu.be/9KjV95sNgO4

Rev pepple harry
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Rev pepple harry

pls i need an account number were i can pay my seed faith to prophet kobus van rensburg.i’ve requested for three times now please i need it.thanks

Jaco
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Jaco

I just want to ask this question…

Immortality is this that really so far fetched?

We all know that God is Good and there is no darkness in him. Why would he then kill christians? He said that he came to earth to give us life more abundantly. I guess if you compare your life to that of people in the old testament there wouldn’t be a real difference. That all depends on how much of Jesus’ salvation your experiencing. I believe he really did bring us life in abundance and we know through the scriptures that by Jesus’ stripes we are healed. When does that scripture become null and of no effect(because we know that healing is for the physical body, why would you need healing in heaven, this promise is for know and here)? If you have a true relationship with God…. it will NEVER become of no effect. We know that Jesus is willing to heal as we can clearly see during his whole life on earth. And the scriptures tell us that He is the same, Yesterday, Today and till all eternity.

There for, accept the enourmous GIFT from God and live free from all condemnation and even death. Like the scriptures also state, if earthly fathers know how to give good and perfect gifts how much more your father who is in heaven. Jesus is the end of the LAW, he nailed it to his cross and took away the reason we still die. Oh Death where is your sting? Thanks you Jesus for a life surrounded by you, and that you have no evil/darkness in you but only good perfect gifts for those who accept what you have done. Please help us all to see your face and be changed into your image. Do you guys think that Jesus would have died if he did not die on the cross? I think he would not have died because he was righteous before God without sin just as we are today in christ. Thank you Jesus for accomplishing that which no human could ever accomplish. THANKS FOR BEING ALWAYS GOOD AND LOVING. If there are people out there that think differently. I know we all will be surprised when the first human hits 200 years of age. What did Jesus come to do then if it’s not this, did he fail to bring us true life in abundance, i think not. Cheers. GRACE BE MULTIPLIED ONTO YOU All!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lee
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Lee

Jaco,

>>We all know that God is Good and there is no darkness in him. Why would he then kill christians? He said that he came to earth to give us life more abundantly.

Jaco, God does NOT kill (in the sense of murder) his own children except for them to go be with Him. Don’t be so ridiculous! When Jesus said that verse, he meant he came to give ETERNAL life! People always ask that and it is quite annoying that people can never understand that verse.

>>That all depends on how much of Jesus’ salvation your experiencing.

No it doesn’t depend on “how much” nothing. You either have salvation in Christ or your not His!

>>I believe he really did bring us life in abundance and we know through the scriptures that by Jesus’ stripes we are healed. When does that scripture become null and of no effect(because we know that healing is for the physical body, why would you need healing in heaven, this promise is for know and here)?

That scripture speaks of our SPIRITUAL condition firstly! we are healed of our iniquities by Jesus’ sacrifice on the Cross, NOT specifically talking about healing on my physical body, this body is still sinful THATS WHY PAUL TELLS US TO PUT OFF THE OLD MAN
Jaco, Word of Faith teaching leads you to believe that God has to heal you everytime there is a problem!!! Truth is, He doesn’t! What if he healed you in spite of your prayers and you never knew Him ehhh? The Christian walk is not a walk in the park – meaning there will be hardships. Go read Timothy and ask yourself why God didn’t heal Timothy of his stomach problem! That should start to open your eyes!

If you have a true relationship with God…. it will NEVER become of no effect. We know that Jesus is willing to heal as we can clearly see during his whole life on earth. And the scriptures tell us that He is the same, Yesterday, Today and till all eternity.

>>There for, accept the enourmous GIFT from God and live free from all condemnation and even death. Like the scriptures also state, if earthly fathers know how to give good and perfect gifts how much more your father who is in heaven.

Again you confuse verses that speak about the spiritual foremost with the NOW! Jaco, there is no ETERNAL condemnation for those in Christ, thats what the verse means! Yes Death where is your sting? You can say that when you’ve gone to glory with Jesus! in fact, you shouldn’t be afraid of Death, for the Christian, He/she welcomes it because he knows that eternal life is waiting.

>>I know we all will be surprised when the first human hits 200 years of age. What did Jesus come to do then if it’s not this, did he fail to bring us true life in abundance, i think not

I will be suprised too! The church I went to, the pastor said that he will live to 175yrs old, then God tells him every year when he needs to pray for an extension! The fact is, that won’t happen, All you have to ask yourself Jaco is why would anyone want to be here for 200yrs in this sinful body when you can go Home early??? I certainly wouldn’t want to! Jesus came to reconcile men to God. He DID not come to give us 200 years of life then to die and go to Hell for eternity. That would be stupid!

'Naia
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'Naia

We will not gain immortality in this life. 1 Cor. 15:52 tells us that we will be changed from mortals to immortals when the trumpet sounds. And no, the trumpet does not sound individually, for we will ALL be changed in a moment (verse 51, 52) both the living and the dead in Christ.

Jesus heals today as He did when He walked in Galilee, because he is the same (Heb.13:8). But healings are not evidence of His favour or power (Matt.7:22,23). And besides, we are not to rejoice in such power but in the fact that we are saved and heaven-bound (Lk.10:20).

But please, my true brothers and sisters in Christ, even when we are rebuking and correcting, let our words be with grace and seasoned with salt (Col.4:6) so that we will not be stumbling blocks. Let us reserve our harshest words for the perpetrators of the deception themselves.
God bless.

Lee
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Lee

Deborah!

Whats happening to the blog? why hasn’t there been any posts? I hope everything is alright….?

Ellie
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Ellie

[Deleted – I don’t have time for unbiblical nonsense talk]

BrotherEnoch
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BrotherEnoch

[deleted – calling me a pharisee for exposing Kobus van Rensburg is not going to get your comment approved.]