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Kobus van Rensburg and his Tower of Babel

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KobusVanRensburg FalseProphet Kobus van Rensburg and his Tower of BabelIt has come to DTW’s attention that Kobus van Rensburg from Spirit Word Ministries feels it absolutely necessary to pray for the entire area of Stilfontein on a regular basis.  Now this sounds normal to the unlearned, the problem is, Kobus van Rensburg is not a genuine Christian, he is a false prophet, who teaches the doctrine of Latter Rain / Manifest Sons of God (New Apostolic Reformation).  He is a faith healer, that preys on the sick and those seeking a miracle.  He has built an empire from the money that falls into his collection baskets given to him by people who have health issues and seek God through Kobus van Rensburg as their mediator to heal them.

But now it would appear Kobus is not close enough to God, or is having a problem hearing Him and has built a tower to enter daily and pray over the community.

Yes, I will repeat that in case you think I am joking….

Kobus has built himself a gigantic tower on Spirit Word Ministries property in Stilfontein.  From what we can gather the building is approximately 4-5 stories tall, with windows that surround the top.  A nice scenic view of Stilfontein.

Now, in the Bible we have the story of the Tower of Babel:

Genesis 11:1-9

1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.
8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

God commanded the human race to  (Genesis 9:1) ”increase in number and fill the earth“ , but they did the exact opposite.  Instead they said, (Genesis 11:4) ‘Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth”.  The human race thought it best to build a great city and congregate there, and because of pride they decided to build a gigantic tower (which became known as the Tower of Babel) as a symbol of their power, their superiority, they wanted to make a name for themselves, they wanted to be little ‘god’s. God was angry, and in response confused the languages of the human race, that people could no longer communicate with one another (Genesis 11:7).

Does Kobus van Rensburg think that going up into his tower to pray over the community is going to get him closer to God or into the presence of God?  If so does not the Holy Spirit ABIDE IN YOU when you become a child of God?  That is what the bible says:

1 Corinthians 6:19  ”19 What? know you not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which you have of God, and you are not your own?”

Hebrews 3:6  ”6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.”

Does Kobus van Rensburg think that by building this tower and situating himself high up in the sky overseeing the community and praying, that his prayers will be answered?  Why can’t he do what he needs to to down on the ground?  Is Kobus’ faith not strong enough that he now needs to build himself a towel to try reach God?

Does Kobus van Rensburg think that by building a tower he can increase his spiritual warfare power as he prays out the windows; North, South, East and West over Stilfontein?   Does he not realise that no where in the Bible does God ask of a believer to do these strange spiritual warfare rituals.

Is Kobus van Rensburg displaying the same traits as the people did back in Genesis who built the Tower of Babel?  Is Kobus’ tower actually a symbol of power and superiority over everyone?  I think so.

It seems Kobus is infatuated with towers as he had this to say just 13 hours ago on Facebook:

Prophet Kobus van Rensburg - 13 hours ago

Its time to take God on His word, get renewed in the Spirit of our minds and get the word of God working in our lives for a change, we are destined for nothing but success…

IN A VISION: I saw a tall tower with a steep stairway going to the top, and at the top of the tower was ; SUCCESS, PROSPERITY, JOY, PEACE, MARRIAGE, BETTER CARS, BETTER JOBS, HEALING, ALL THE DESIRES OF GOD’S PEOPLE… and people were walking up this stairway to get to the top, but somewhere in the middle they would slip and slide down to the bottom, some of the people would hang on somewhere in the middle, but no one really got to the top… BUT ON THIS DAY I DECLARE YOU WILL GET TO THE TOP IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS… I BIND YOU TO YOUR BREAKTHROUGH, YOUR SUCCESS, YOUR HEALING, YOUR PROSPERITY, WHATSOEVER IT MAYBE… IT IS YOURS IN JESUS’ NAME… THIS IS YOUR MIRACLE WEEK IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS!!!    [Emphasis added]

Better cars?  ALL THE DESIRES of the people? All righty then…

The Bible has this to say about these people who seek wealth on earth instead of gathering their treasures in heaven…

1 Timothy 6:9-11
9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
11 But you, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

Proverbs 13:7   “7 There is that makes himself rich, yet has nothing: there is that makes himself poor, yet has great riches.”

Mark 10:20-22
20 And he answered and said to him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.
21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said to him, One thing you lack: go your way, sell whatever you have, and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
22 And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.

The disciples were poor, weak, hungry, beaten and had no home, etc…

1 Corinthians 4:10-12
10 We are fools for Christ’s sake, but you are wise in Christ; we are weak, but you are strong; you are honorable, but we are despised.
11 Even to this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwelling place;
12 And labor, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it.

Pay attention to this, church of Laeodecia:

Revelation 3:16-19
16 So then because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of my mouth.
17 Because you say, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and know not that you are wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel you to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that you may be rich; and white raiment, that you may be clothed, and that the shame of your nakedness do not appear; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see.
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Riches corrupt

James 5:1-3
1 Go to now, you rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come on you.
2 Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are moth-eaten.
3 Your gold and silver is corroded; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. You have heaped treasure together for the last days.

The Bible is a blue print for how a Christian should conduct their lives, it in it contains the do’s and don’t.  No where in the Bible did any disciples, Apostles, Prophets, or believers build a tower to climb up into too ‘get closer to God’ to pray over their town.  No where in the Old Testament do we find God instructing the people to build a tower, and no where in the New Testament do we find Jesus Christ telling anyone to build a tower to aid them in their spiritual lives.  And no where do we find that one must build a tower with regards to spiritual warfare, as the Bible is clear on what we have to do when it comes to the enemy, and that is put on the whole armour of God.  (Ephesians 6:10-18)
What we do find regarding a tower in the Bible, is the story of the Tower of Babel, where unbelievers built a tower.  The response from God was not a pleasant response.  Now in this day and age, because we are in the last of the last days, God might not strike Kobus van Rensburg with a bolt of lightening for his pride in wanting to be on the same level as Him.  But the time is coming where God’s wrath will be poured out on this world (Ephesians 5:6) because God has reached His limit and can’t bare for one second more to look at all the millions of false teachers that have over run the world, spreading lies and leading millions of people astray – because they themselves have itching ears (2 Timothy 4:3) and seek teachers like Kobus van Rensburg to teach them doctrines of demons (1 Timothy 4:1).
Ephesians 5:6  ”6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things comes the wrath of God on the children of disobedience.”
James 5:1-3
1 Go to now, you rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come on you.
Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are moth-eaten.
Your gold and silver is corroded; and the rust of them shall be a witness against youand shall eat your flesh as it were fire. You have heaped treasure together for the last days.
Test the Spirits

1 John 4:1  ”1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. (Jer 29:8; Matt 24:4; Eph 5:6; Col 2:18; Matt 7:15-16; 1Cor 14:29; 1Thess 5:21; Matt 24:5; Matt 24:24; 2Pet 2:1; 2John 1:7)

Notice that in the bible the disciples WORKED for a living and NEVER requested money from anyone to preach the gospel.

1 Thessalonians 2:9   “9 For you remember, brothers, our labor and travail: for laboring night and day, because we would not be chargeable to any of you, we preached to you the gospel of God.”

Those who seek after signs and wonders and miracles, Jesus has this to say to you:

Matthew 12:39-40
39 But he answered and said to them, An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Jesus’ death, burial and resurrection is your MIRACLE people.  Jesus Christ saves us from our sins, and from the penalty of death.  Have you trusted in Him, in His death on the cross of Calvary for your sins, and His resurrection from the dead, so that you may have eternal life?

Please open your eyes and have faith in the GREATEST MIRACLE of them all.

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Pictures of Kobus van Resburg’s Tower of Babel (pictures courtesy of Robbie and © to DTW)

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Mosque Tower of the Great Mosque of Kairouan1 Kobus van Rensburg and his Tower of BabelIn Islam, most mosques have a tower called a minaret, where the Adhan is sung out from or they put the speakers on the minaret to recite the Adhan.   The Adhan is a very special Islamic call to salat (prayer). The one who recites it is called a Mu’azzin. He stands up there and sings his lungs out, praying, worshipping Allah and calling everyone to stop what they are doing and come to the mosque as their prayers will start soon.

When I first heard about Kobus’ tower, I immediately thought of him standing up there on his tower praying like a Mu’azzin.  I mean honestly, Kobus follows a false gospel, so he may as well build himself a tower and pray over the community, like the Muslims do.

Strange that Kobus’ tower bares an uncanny resemblance to some very historic Islamic mosque towers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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77 comments to Kobus van Rensburg and his Tower of Babel

  • Linda

    Shocking, to say the least… But then again, I shouldn’t be shocked.

  • Michael

    This type of preaching is absolutely disgusting…a con-man delux…a wolf in sheeps’ clothing…the sheep are are being led to be devoured.

    It’s really hard to believe that people that want the truth can be so naive…obviously they cannot be bothered to read God’s word.

    They are themselves lusting after the material things of the world and this false preacher knows this…keep tithing brothers and sisters…leds build “Gods” kingdom on earth…you will reap a hundredfold! I have noticed in Benny Hinn collections that they no longer use collection bags or plates but plastic buckets.

    I think God must have the hottest seats in Sheol for these shysters.

  • Robbie

    >>>”Strange that Kobus’ tower bares an uncanny resemblance to some very historic Islamic mosque towers”<<<

    Now that is exactly what I would think. Can't wait for the finished product… if they make it to the top. Hope they've installed a lightning detector this time?

    But seriously, We shall not cease to pray for this flock… and its flockist – ?

  • Smuggler

    This boy’tjie must have “fallen” from the tower and now “suffers” from “tower-concussion” . . . ;-)

    Kobus van Rensburg yesterday (Mon 5/11/2012) on Facebook wrote:
    Its time to take God on His word, get renewed in the Spirit of our minds and get the word of God working in our lives for a change, we are destined for nothing but success…
    IN A VISION: I saw a tall tower with a steep stairway going to the top, and at the top of the tower was ; SUCCESS, PROSPERITY, JOY, PEACE, MARRIAGE, BETTER CARS, BETTER JOBS, HEALING, ALL THE DESIRES OF GOD’S PEOPLE… and people were walking up this stairway to get to the top, but somewhere in the middle they would slip and slide down to the bottom, some of the people would hang on somewhere in the middle, but no one really got to the top… BUT ON THIS DAY I DECLARE YOU WILL GET TO THE TOP IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS… I BIND YOU TO YOUR BREAKTHROUGH, YOUR SUCCESS, YOUR HEALING, YOUR PROSPERITY, WHATSOEVER IT MAYBE… IT IS YOURS IN JESUS’ NAME… THIS IS YOUR MIRACLE WEEK IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS!!!

  • Chris

    This this Koos has very good foresight for the not too distant future and is a man of insight to be building that minaret. The religion of the NAR has most certainly enlightened him to make appropriate plans for the future – brilliant stuff this!

    As Islam is infiltrating South Africa he can quickly adapt to lodge the Mu’azzin and so gain favour with the Imam and prosper in this life as he preaches while the rest of the saints are being slaughtered for their steadfast unwavering faith and faithfulness for King of Kings.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Chris

    Gosh, you are so right, Kobus has it all worked out!!

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Smuggler…

    I find this interesting…

    Kobus says: “Its time to take God on His word, get renewed in the Spirit of our minds and get the word of God working in our lives for a change”

    1) He is going to “take God on His Word?” What does that mean? He is going to command God to do his bidding? Because Kobus is certainly not obeying the Word of God.
    2) And then “get renewed in the Spirit of our minds” ? By stating this he admits he is not saved and does not have the Holy Spirit abiding IN HIM…
    3) It appears God is not working in Kobus’ life, based on what he says here: “get the word of God working in our lives for a change”

    And this…”THIS IS YOUR MIRACLE WEEK”

    Kobus’ “Jesus” only does miracles on certain days of the year. LOL This is almost as ridiculous as Benny Hinny’s 2 minute miracle period.

  • StanNJ51

    The NAR excel in absurdity with their grand decrees as they pretend to ramify all over the “heavenlies” and “earthly realms.” If their work was not so deadly to the unsuspecting, they’d make caricatures suitable for comic books.

    If this tower is also supposed to mean that Kobus is closer to God, it is interesting that the Bible never speaks of being closer or nearer to God, that is, using those words with the “er” suffix. We are either near or far. Once we have drawn near through repentance toward God and faith in Christ, there can be no greater access to God. God does not have anyone who is closer to him than another, that is, as far as access goes. This is because it is Christ alone who purchased the access we have. No one can add to it or have a greater amount of it. We all have the right through faith to approach confidently and freely to the Throne of Grace. The “closer” idea comes from mystics among whom are the NAR. They wish to create the illusion of super-saintliness in order to win over men’s admiration so that they will gladly part with their $$ and often even their women. As Paul said of the Corinthians, they gladly receive false apostles who put on airs or slap them in the face.

    True shepherds watch over their flocks and protect them from wolves. Of course, that means they’re not hirelings or wolves themselves as too many are. May the Lord raise up shepherds to care for His flock (Jeremiah 23:4).

    Stan

  • linda

    My volk gaan ten gronde as gevolg aan ‘n gebrek van kennis. Ai.

  • Robbie

    in die kol Linda. Blindes lei die blindes.
    Probleem is… BEIDE val in die put.

  • Micheline

    Just something my wonderful Dad says: A minister should have a job, a real job, during the day and preach the Gospel during his off time. This usually keeps him honest and without time to think up schemes…HAHA
    Further, a minister should get enough money to only cover his costs related to his church work.
    Dad recons a minister getting no money spends all time with God,
    if he gets a little money he spends 90% of his time with God,
    if he gets lots of money he spends 0% time with God…because he has to figure out what to do with all that money…and that takes A LOT of time and planning!

    I always think about that when I see Benny Hinn…

  • Riaan Kasselman

    1st things first: I do not belong to Mr Van Rensburgs church, I’ve heard many testimonies from it, and against it. i know that the church of Christ will suffer persecution. And this is what this sound like to me.. I’m not English so bare with me.

    I Think you should check yourself….
    You complaining about the sick showering him with money? When Jesus was asked by which power he healed he answered: Mar_3:24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.(Go read it fully, and in context). My goodness, If i were sick and somebody was healing people in Jesus name, then i would recon they are sowing into blessed ground. i would sure well not mind paying my tithing to a man God used to heal a loved ones Cancer , or have leg grow that was causing lots of back pain.

    As for the tower: If you are going in to war. Efs 6,then you need to get the high ground, its a old war strategy. I have not researched it, but if as you say he wants to make it a prayer house. I think it is a brilliant idea. The devil has been using the power of the tong proclaiming it into the airwaves for centuries from foreign faiths-towers with load speakers.They even get together on mountain tops. Fight back, take it back in the spiritual realm. Calling it the tower of babel…. sho sho sho… I’d be very careful speaking such words. The tower of Babel was built out of pride and man thinking they can be like God or better. This sound like the work we have been ordained to do…Pray for the sick, heal the land…
    Now if there is one thing i’v learnt it is to never speak against a anointed from God. Even King David had to repent after he cut the seem of Saul’s Prayer Taliet. And we all new that Saul had by that time already lost the plot. Yet David still respected him for being a Anointed, and repented before God for disonering him.

    To sum up my story: When last did you heal somebody in Jesus Name? Did Jesus not say We will do greater miracles, Lay our hands on the sick, and make desiples for Him.
    If you are in dis agreement with that teaching, then so be it

    What is DTW?

  • Riaan Kasselman

    Sorry, DTW: Discerning the world. I should have read.

  • michael

    one question i will ask u again is this does the get higher than the skycrepers in the us,china and other countries?im glad u said its just a 4storey building.in all ur writings i have not seen u tell us how many people God has used u to heal or set free.u are just one of those doing nothing in the kingdom but only lazying around looking at other peoples work.

  • COG

    @Smuggler :Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall NOT return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall PROSPER in the thing whereto I sent it. (KJV)
    Luk 14:28 For which of you, intending to build a TOWER, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?
    Luk 14:29 Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,
    Luk 14:30 Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.(KJV)
    Eph 4:23 AND BE RENEWED IN THE SPIRIT OF YOUR MIND; (KJV)

  • StanNJ51

    Linda, you have an English name but posted in Dutch. So this is a translation I found for the readers (I think it’s right), “My people perish for lack of knowledge. Amen”

  • Adrie

    Well done Kobus you are a real prophet!
    Keep on doing what you do this people realy do not know the Bilble!

  • Redeemed

    This goes back aways to Oral Roberts who was sort of a “pioneer” in the word faith, NAR, with his “seed faith” nonsense. He built a Prayer Tower on his ORU campus in Tulsa, Oklahoma. I remember visiting that campus while in my charismatic fog many years ago and thinking it was all good.

    Here is the link: http://www.oru.edu/prayer_tower/

    This is a clever mix of truth and error. It all sounds so spiritual until one digs deeper to see the false teaching and hypocrisy of Roberts and his ilk. The thought that a particular tower is a preferred place to pray is so unbiblical. Maybe others will pick up on other things in the video presentation. I just thought that the tower connection to this article was interesting.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    michael

    >> God has done tru me.and my knowledge in the word is fantastic.go screw urself.

    Fantastic language Michael, did you say you were ‘saved’? Oh wait you didn’t. You’ve just seem many miracles: Please see The Biblical Holy Spirit vs.The False Unholy Spirit of Fire Seeing that you say you know your bible, PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING and understand.

    Matthew 24:24
    24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

    Do you accept false teaching, are you happy that people’s spiritual lives are being ruined because of false doctrines that Kobus teaches? Do you want people led astray when the Bible says:

    Matthew 24:4 “4 And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you astray.

    Should you leave people alone so that the blind lead the blind to hell? Would you allow this to happen to your OWN FAMILY? Or will you try your best to protect them from harm?

    Matthew 15:1 “Let them alone; they are blind guides. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”

    >> i have not seen u tell us how many people God has used u to heal or set free

    Regarding boasting and huge churches and large gatherings where the preacher proclaims to lead the group on behalf of God and proclaim miracles galore.

    Matthew 6:5 “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.

    In general the bible says that:

    Colossians 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.

    >> u are just one of those doing nothing in the kingdom but only lazying around looking at other peoples work.

    EXPOSING FALSE TEACHING / WARNING OTHERS / APPEALING TO OTHERS TO BE CAREFUL

    Romans 16:17-18 “I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.”

    Jude 1:4 “4 For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.”

    If Kobus does not stop what he is doing:

    2 Peter 2:1 “1But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.”

    And to you:

    Galatians 1:6-9
    I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Adrie

    >> Well done Kobus you are a real prophet!
    >>Keep on doing what you do this people realy do not know the Bilble!

    And how do you come to this conclusion?

  • Micheline

    Are we not suppose to stand up for God, praise Him…together.

    Why are these people standing up for Kobus and praising him…he is just a sinner.

  • Michael

    Debs,which Michael is this…this is certainly not me…and I do not see any vulgar and obscene comment like this??? Too many Michaels…shows that it is just not in a name alone but the correct identification…she like the WOF have a false Jesus and not the true Jesus of the bible.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Michael

    >> Debs,which Michael is this…this is certainly not me

    No, no, not you. You are identified by your TIGER picture. The other ‘michael’ has another picture. Comments at 2012/11/08 at 6:04 pm and 2012/11/08 at 5:54 pm

  • Robbie

    Riaan,

    you say >>> I have not researched it <<<

    I earnestly suggest you start with the Word. Your references are totally out of context and it will take a rewrite of most of DTW's postings to try and explain to you the deception concept.

    I am sure you will find the answers to all your questions here… WITH correct scriptural references AND in context.

    Stick around and read a little. Angus features here too. (if you are interested in the context of "healing land"

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    COG or what ever other name you usually use

    You quote the following verses to try justify Kobus van Rensburg building his tower right?

    Luk 14:28 For which of you, intending to build a TOWER, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?
    Luk 14:29 Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,
    Luk 14:30 Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.(KJV)

    Let me explain these verses to you… First we will read everything IN CONTEXT (something you guys never do)

    Luke 14:25-35
    25 Now large crowds were accompanying Jesus, and turning to them he said,
    26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother, and wife and children, and brothers and sisters, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.
    27 Whoever does not carry his own cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.
    28 For which of you, wanting to build a tower, doesn’t sit down first and compute the cost to see if he has enough money to complete it?
    29 Otherwise, when he has laid a foundation and is not able to finish the tower, all who see it will begin to make fun of him.
    30 They will say, ‘This man began to build and was not able to finish!’
    31 Or what king, going out to confront another king in battle, will not sit down first and determine whether he is able with ten thousand to oppose the one coming against him with twenty thousand?
    32 If he cannot succeed, he will send a representative while the other is still a long way off and ask for terms of peace.
    33 In the same way therefore not one of you can be my disciple if he does not renounce all his own possessions.

    These verses are a challenge to all of us. “He that hath ears to hear, let him hear!” Jesus is dealing with the responsibility of discipleship. God’s salvation costs nothing, but we will pay big time if we do not accept His precious gift. The cost of losing your soul is immeasurable. (Mark 8:36) “What shall it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?”

    These verses are addressing those who already trusted Jesus; those who believe Him to be the Son of God, crucified, buried, rose from the dead 3 days later. Those who have put their faith in Him are now called upon to be His disciples. And discipleship costs something of ourselves. We cannot serve our Lord Jesus Christ as we should without some cost to ourselves.

    So when crowds were gathering around Jesus, (Luke 14:25-27) “He turned and said unto them, If any man come to Me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple. And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after Me, cannot be My disciple.”

    Now his does not mean that we are to ‘hate‘ our family, or have have ill will toward them, it does not mean that we are to bear any form of malice toward them, because this is not a Christian fruit. Jesus used very different expressions to what we would use today. For e.g., in the Bible, we find the following; (Malachi 1:3; Romans 9:13) “Jacob have I loved, and Esau have I hated.” Now God did nothate anyone in the sense we use the word the word hate, sometimes because we find the following scriptures: (John 3:16) “God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” and (Romans 5:8) “God commendeth His love toward us in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” and (1 John 4:10) “Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us, and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.”
    So we may can be absolutely sure that God loved the children of Esau just as He loved the children of Jacob; but when He said, “Jacob have I loved, and Esau have I hated,” He was referring to special privileges here on earth. Israel was given many things while the children of Esau dwelt in the wilderness. Does this mean an Edomite can’t be saved? Of course not, every individual Edomite who repents of his sin and idolatry will be saved.

    Back to the verse, but our consideration for Jesus Christ, our love for Him who died for us is to be so great that in comparison to our family here on earth, if they (our family) oppose what is right, if they oppose the gospel truth and follow false doctrines, because we preach the truth, our attitude will be seen as hatred according to them.

    Many people have left their homes, been excommunicated for believing in Jesus Christ. Others have lost their lives. Many people belong to so called Christian families where family members are supposed to be interested in the gospel, yet there is something clearly wrong; the family members speak about Jesus, but it is ‘another‘ Jesus. If anyone, no matter how close or dear to you, would come between Jesus Christ and yourself, you are told to ‘hate’ that person in comparison with your love for Jesus.

    (John 12:25) “He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto eternal life.” There are many people who have to give up splendid prospects and prosperity on earth in order to put Jesus Christ first. Those who refuse will lose their eternal life. Does Jesus have the WHOLE of your heart? Does He RULE your life? Or do you think of the world instead; becoming wealthy? You do not have to give up your employment to serve Jesus, but if you pray and ask God for direction in your life and yield to the plans He has for you; then pick up your cross and follow Him.

    Notice that Jesus says, (Luke 14:27) “Whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after Me, cannot bemy disciple. Just an interesting point, we cannot bear His cross, though we may glory in it. The apostle Paul said, (Galatians 6:14) “But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.”

    Jesus Christ died in my place. His death is my death. I am one with Him whom the world has rejected. That is what it means to carry ones cross, or to enter into the truth of His cross. Here the Lord Jesus Christ speaks of the disciple carrying his own cross. Jesus carried His cross to Calvary. During the centuries of Roman rule those who were put to death on the cross were under a ban from the Government and everyone was expected to carry his own cross to the place of execution. So what Jesus is saying here is that unless one is not willing to go to death for Jesus Christs’ sake, that person is not a true disciple. It is a question of devotion to Jesus Christ in discipleship. The path of discipleship may lead to death, and this is not something to enter into carelessly and thoughtlessly. Many people fail to realize the seriousness of this matter of discipleship.

    Now regarding the TOWER. What shall one do with their life? Shall they live for themselves, or shall they live for Christ? Count the cost! So Jesus used the illustrationof the builder and the tower, (Luke 14:28-30) “For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it? Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him, saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.”

    We have heard of people trying to build big mansions or a tower without counting the cost. (Or better yet we have heard of men building towers because they don’t read scripture properly and think ‘ILLUSTRATIONS’ should be taken literally). They started to build and soon found themselves financially strapped and embarrassed, so much so and so they could not continue. These buildings lay as unfinished structures because someone started to build and them could not finish them. The MORAL of the story is; when you are called to devote your lives to serving God it is a very wise thing to count the cost, and ask yourself the question, “am I ready to face all that is involved in discipleship and loyalty to my Lord Jesus Christ?”

    The second illustration is similar to the first: (Luke 14:31-32) “Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand? Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.”

    An example, the vietnam war, those who were involved in war, those who were responsible for it, would sit down and count the cost, that they had the strength to combat the enemy and win. Unfortunately they started a war that could never be won. In the spiritual sense, (Ephesians 6:12) principalities of evil are fighting a vicious evil battle that goes on, non stop. We need to yield ourselves totally to the control of Jesus Christ and (Ephesians 6:10-18) “put on the full armour of God”, that we may be able to (1 Timothy 6:12) “fight the good fight of faith.” Paul, definitely counted his cost. He faced many a terrible challenge, he said, (Philippians 3:7) “But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ.” God grant that we may be motivated by the same spirit of devotion! “So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be My disciple.”
    Do NOT misunderstand that. It does not mean that if you have a home you are to give it away; it does not mean that if God has entrusted you with wealth you have to give it away; it does not mean that if you have friends you must now spurn them, for they will surely spurn you in the long run because of doctrinal issues: BUT IT DOES MEAN mean that you must hold everything you have as subject to God Himself.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Riaan Kasselman

    Ok, so it’s clear you actually don’t read your bible, (and please don’t get mad at me) because you know it’s true. You ask me to read things in context, my goodness, LOL. I’m going to give you some articles to read to answer all your questions ok, because 1 little comment ain’t going to do it.

    >> You complaining about the sick showering him with money? When Jesus was asked by which power he healed he answered: Mar_3:24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.(Go read it fully, and in context). My goodness, If i were sick and somebody was healing people in Jesus name, then i would recon they are sowing into blessed ground. i would sure well not mind paying my tithing to a man God used to heal a loved ones Cancer , or have leg grow that was causing lots of back pain.

    Please read:

    1) Can Satan Heal?
    2) Tithing – Are you really robbing God if you don’t?

    >> As for the tower: If you are going in to war. Efs 6,then you need to get the high ground, its a old war strategy. I have not researched it, but if as you say he wants to make it a prayer house. I think it is a brilliant idea. The devil has been using the power of the tong proclaiming it into the airwaves for centuries from foreign faiths-towers with load speakers.They even get together on mountain tops.

    You say, “then you need to get the high ground, its a old war strategy. I have not researched it” Please go and find it IN THE BIBLE, I would like to know if this is BIBLICAL. I know it’s not, but I want you to go and RESEARCH it to find out for yourself. Ephesians 6 is the only thing we as Christians need, TOO PUT ON THE WHOLE ARMOUR OF GOD. The bible is COMPLETE and a FINAL AUTHORITY on all things, do you think GOD would be so stupid to leave out the fact that we need to climb up on HIGH GROUND to make sure that Eph 6 work? No.

    >> Calling it the tower of babel…. sho sho sho… I’d be very careful speaking such words. The tower of Babel was built out of pride and man thinking they can be like God or better.

    Tower of Babel

    >> Now if there is one thing i’v learnt it is to never speak against a anointed from God.

    Kobus annointed of God? Do you know that ‘annointed’ means Christ? And do you know what Jesus himself said about ‘many Christs’ in the last days? Matthew 24:5 “5 For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will mislead many.”

    G5547 Χριστός Christos (khris-tos’) n/p.
    1. (literally) Anointed
    2. (transliterated) “Christ”
    3. (properly) the Messiah, the Anointed One of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob
    4. (by function) the (kinsman) Redeemer, the Saviour
    5. (by identity) Jesus, Yeshua, Ἰησοῦς, יְהוֹשֻׁעַ, יֵשׁוּעַ

    >> To sum up my story: When last did you heal somebody in Jesus Name? Did Jesus not say We will do greater miracles, Lay our hands on the sick, and make desiples for Him.

    Regarding boasting and huge churches and large gatherings where the preacher proclaims to lead the group on behalf of God and proclaim miracles galore.

    Matthew 6:5 “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.

    In general the bible says that:

    Colossians 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.

    EXPOSING FALSE TEACHING / WARNING OTHERS / APPEALING TO OTHERS TO BE CAREFUL

    Romans 16:17-18 “I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.”

    Jude 1:4 “4 For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.”

    If Kobus does not stop what he is doing:

    2 Peter 2:1 “1But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.”

    And to you:

    Galatians 1:6-9
    I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

    If you want to read further you can read the following:

    3) The Biblical Holy Spirit vs.The False Unholy Spirit of Fire
    4) Are Prophets for Today or has Prophecy Ceased?
    5) Yes, a Future Kingdom, but Not a Kingdom Now
    6) Speaking in Tongues has CEASED

  • Michael

    Posted a comment but I had a wipe out.

    The question to all the prosperity pounders is this…are you either so blind or blantantly greedy and evil…your lying and false doctrine stems from one verse in 3 John 1:2
    “Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.”
    This is purposely taken totally and utterly out of CONTEXT to satisfy your weak consciences and lack of integrity and honesty.
    And…what’s more it’s just ONE verse ( Not sure…I think it was either Roberts or Hagan that latched on to money making scheme) compared to the MANY references in the bible mentioning the evil of greed and the love of money…too numerous to quote here.

    There’s none so blind as THOSE THAT WILL NOT SEE.

    The problem is they DO NOT WANT TO SEE…they serve MAMON NOT GOD.

    There is nothing wrong in being well-off provided you have worked hard for it…(the philosophy of working smarter than harder is also evil because there is ALWAYS somebody that pays a huge price and it is usually the ignorant and poor) IF it fulfills a need not greed…excesses destroy the soul.

    Jesus told the rich young man…
    “sell whatever you have, and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.”

    I wonder if Kobus or Benny Hinn or Joyce Meyer was confronted by the Lord in those days hypothetically…what they would have done.

    I have absolutely no doubt they would have gone the same way as this young man.

  • Michael

    Cartoon…may I post this link…lol

    False preacher – Oral Roberts Picture

    [edited by DTW - that is funny!]

  • Michael

    Yes it is funny…on the otherhand what he did to very ignorant people certainly was criminal and not funny.

    I really cannot grasp how absolutely stupid people are…it is definitely a very dark spiritual force.

    Oops just posted another…Another WIPE OUT?

    Debs is that lost? One does not know if they go through or not…I am obviously a bit computer doff here. Computers belong to younger outjies.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Michael

    You lost it :P

  • Howard

    Can you please supply me with regular updates

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Howard

    >> Can you please supply me with regular updates

    On what?

  • KoVen

    Kan iemand vir my die stuk op sit waar hy die tabernakel en 2 kliptafels breek in sy kerk. Al wat ek se hy maak geld uit die mense en die grap is hulle val daar voor want hulle is almal honger vir die waarheid.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    KoVen

    >> Kan iemand vir my die stuk op sit waar hy die tabernakel en 2 kliptafels breek in sy kerk

    I don’t know about this. Is this on youtube?

  • Robbie

    There is something wrong with youtube Debs. As soon as it has cleared. I have seen it too.
    EK sal help soek KoVen..

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Thanks Robbie!

  • Sean

    He is a false prophet. The last time I heard about him, he was battling cancer (I think I read it on here). Also there seems to be a media black out concerning it. I was involved in the NAR movement for about 6 years – I did the whole spiritual warfare, mapping, demon this demon that – to be honest – it was very exhausting and all it gave me was a sense of pride. I have since left all of that and have found myself a bible based church – which preaches Christ crucified. What a relief to be re-introduced to the real Jesus again.

  • Diavolana

    Yes, Prophet Kobus has cancer why because God is going to give him new life new blood new body why? The last enemy to be subdue and abolished is death. 1 Corinthians 15:26; so if you are God’s child our business is to chase death away; remember that death is the first thing happen disobeying God. Our faith, our motto, our goals is God’ ; I thank God for Prophet Kobus that he opened our mind to understand that we have right to have dominion over everything upon the earth. I don’t car even one but I need it but to have wish to have better car is not sin if someone else have it it sin and wrong if I need it is there anything in this world that spiritual people not to be have. Kobus is very spiritual but we just look him outermost.

    Thank you Prophet Kobus I pray and command the cancer in your body to leave in Jesus Name

    But be careful to those that just persecute those who say the truth. Be every thinking and (………………) into you according to your word.

    Blessed are those who seem know nothing but just believe what God want them to be

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Diavolana

    >> Yes, Prophet Kobus has cancer why because God is going to give him new life new blood new body why?

    Is Kobus’s god going to give him a new life and new blood while he is still on earth?

    >> remember that death is the first thing happen disobeying God.

    Really? Sounds like Allah

    >> I thank God for Prophet Kobus that he opened our mind to understand that we have right to have dominion over everything upon the earth.

    Kobus must be in cahoots with Satan because that is what Satan said to Jesus when Jesus was being tempted in the desert…

    Matthew 4:8-10
    8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
    9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
    10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

    >>I don’t car even one but I need it but to have wish to have better car is not sin if someone else have it it sin and wrong if I need it is there anything in this world that spiritual people not to be have.

    There is nothing wrong with praying to God and asking Him for something that you need, but asking God to be RICH when you do not need to be rich is a sin, because you are makeing money your GOD and you cant serve 2 gods: money and Jesus.

    Matthew 6:24 “No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon”

    >> Kobus is very spiritual but we just look him outermost.

    Kobus is a FALSE TEACHER that the bible warns YOU ABOUT to stay away from for he will lead you straight to HELL.

  • Robbie

    Diavolana,

    I mean this with utmost sincerity. For the couple of years that I have been following this blog, I can still not understand the arrogance of persons bashing the door down, pulling guns with NO bullets and escaping through the back door again. I call them hit and runners.
    On the other hand, more than a few have spent time reading what is written here and compared it with Scripture. Many of them are still here and that includes myself.

    I stopped paying a pastor to read the Word of God for me and voila, suddenly I see…

    Did you know that the richest man in the world rode a donkey? He denied all those earthly treasures and towers offered to Him by the prince of this world, yet “profits” like Kobus gathers all.

    There is a lot more about Kobus to read here. Put your pride aside and dig into Scripture to compare whether what you are told by Kobus is indeed so. (like a good Berean).

    My favourite pastors of 30 years ago are of the most wanted by watchmen today. JUST because I learnt to test what they said with Scripture – LIKE the Bible instructs!!. Oh yes, I double and triple checked because most of all my pride was wounded AND – I was WRONG about the true Gospel.

    Now I go straight to The Father… and it is free.

  • I have read most of the comments, and would like to add my personal opinion.. DTW, I cannot agree more with you regarding the unbelievable false preachings fed to people who genuinely needs guidance, but are misled by opportunists for the sake of money! It breaks my heart to see people actually defending these false prophets, which is a clear indication of the influence they have through the power of deception. To my mind it’s the worst crime ever, since they literally orchestrate mass murder worldwide…and needs to be stopped and exposed for what they really are. I can think of no other reason than being “in on the act” if someone defends this ridiculous “prophets”, or if not they must surely be very, very disturbed… Thank you for exposing what I call”christian entrepreneurs” as someone should have the guts to do so..well done and keep up the good work. I might be ridiculed as a result, but thankfully….I know where it comes from…

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Thanks Derek!

  • Mx

    Hi.

    I would like to ask from unbiased standpoint…

    I have heard of Kobus frequently asking people of different views to come and chat/expound/debate on air. Deborah, I personally would love to listen in on such a meeting. I believe it would be beneficial to the Church Body. Relatively speaking, few people read this blog in comparison to millions watching the broadcasts and the repeat broadcasts. As of writing this, 1756804 people have viewed this blog to date. You could have double or quadruple that in one debate show! I believe 150 000 000 + watch live. It would be a GREAT opportunity for you to share with the greater body of Christ! [By greater I mean audience].

    You could prepare your scriptures and arguments and speak face to face. If your calling is as you say, to discern the WORLD, why not use a WORLD audience and platform? Your blog comes up in a Google search in the shadow of all his sites, info and channel.[I mean in no way to sound disparaging or humiliating]. Confront one another directly “in the face” of the people who need to hear this most as not many see this blog. Jesus and His apostles always drew big crowds. Why not find the biggest you can if what you say has value?

    I am sure he will repent when you show him wrong among his TV followers. He has invited people to challenge him publicly, live and from his pulpit after all… please do.

    [I do not want to get into a theological debate or debate of any kind. I am looking to the Holy Spirit for guidance and am discerning my world too.]

    Sincerely

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Mx

    >> I am sure he will repent when you show him wrong among his TV followers. He has invited people to challenge him publicly, live and from his pulpit after all… please do.

    Um, ja, right… he has invited people to challenge him before and he has not changed his ways – so he has heard the truth.

    He reads my blog, he knows what is going on here.

    Lastly, I am not well enough to debate live. This is MY platform – as small as it is, the Holy Spirit sends people here who need help and they receive it.

  • Mx

    I understand “he has heard the truth” you have. The people watching should hear what you have to say if it is the truth for the nations…. No one has actually taken the challenge to speak in the open with him! Jesus publicly challenged the pharisees, scribes and sadducees who were wrong in his day. He went into the synagogues and temple and rebuked them there where they were! It doesn’t even need to be live. It can be recorded and broadcast I suppose.

    I have even read on this site that he has struggled with cancer and is repeatedly close to death. In spite of his sickness and not being well, he has made a continuous effort to and has continued to appear on TV to preach what he believes. I am very that sure in comparison to this, you are well enough to speak with him? Even the apostle Paul went through more extreme hardships. I would even go as far as to say that if you have the word of the Lord for the body of Christ in this day and age, I would gladly help sponsor your flight or whatever for you to appear on TV with him.

    Again, I mean in no way to sound disparaging. I wouldn’t say the Holy Spirit led them all. Google did. I’m sure the majority of people found this blog only by googling his name or ministry because of hearing a good report of what is happening there. Not to find evidence against him. For example, I only found you low in my search results while looking for him. This is all the more reason for you to give your message to the people and especially those who watch the channel.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    MX

    I would love, but I am ill. I suffer from SEVERE Epilepsy, I suffer from petit-mal seizures (which entails me losing time and memory for seconds to minutes at a time) and stress increases the number of seizures that I have. It is a debilitating illness.

    My illness is not like Kobus’ illness. I can not debate live – the whole process will be to stressful for me. When I have multiple seizures or days where things are really bad, it takes DAYS for me to recover – I can’t think properly, I can’t do anything properly – I become quite useless. And I suffer from horrific headaches, and stress makes my headaches even worse.

    Some times you will find that I disappear from this blog for weeks sometimes even a couple of months at a time because I am not well. Right now I am coping, but I do not know when things will get bad again; could be tomorrow, who knows.

    I try my best to keep this blog going – in fact, it’s Jesus who keeps this blog going, because when I am gone for ages at a time the stats keep going up… so I praise Him for this is His blog :)

    Sorry, you will need to find someone else to debate Kobus.

    Regarding google ranking. If you search for Kobus van Rensburg – Discerning the World is ranked 4th, that is not low. In fact I am ranked 4th overall for Google. That’s a great ranking.

  • Redeemed

    Reply to MX #45

    Your offer is a generous one, but even if if were possible, public debates are rarely productive.

    What is needed here or with ANY false teacher is people to spread the word and alert their friends and family. If one person is reached, and that person informs their circle of influence and presents the facts, THAT is the way to combat a false teacher. He would go away if he did not have an audience.

    Most loyal followers will probably not listen as they prefer to follow a man rather than God and are content in their delusion. But some WILL listen and be snatched from the fire.

    Deborah is doing her part, what God has called her to do and does so at great sacrifice given the challenges of her medical condition.

    Now that you have discovered this information, please seek the Lord’s direction as to what He would have YOU do with it. Take the baton and run with it. Certainly it is no “coincidence” that you came upon this information. You can pray for Deborah as she exposes false teachers and pray for others who are caught in the snare.

    You can direct them to this blog and then follow the discussions and post supportive comments.

  • Marlene

    Ek vra net: Het julle al sy DVD gekyk “Jem blikke, vis blikke, drie by drie”? Dit is net so erg as die een waar hy die Verbondsark stukkend slaan!!!!

  • Truthful Conversation

    The LORD uses WHOM He wills, when He wills and HOW He wills.

    Back in Paul’s day there was no internet. Also, in todays world, because of the Apostasy and false teaching, those that defend the TRUE faith, are few and far between. Debs would have to spend a fortune on travel and accommodation, and since she does NOT CHARGE for anything, and does not ASK FOR MONEY/DONATIONS, where would that finance come from? Anyway, travelling and speaking publically is not the ministry that God has given her, and it is not for anyone to judge how God has chosen to use Debs. The only important fact is that she is exposing lies/liars.

    The platform that Debs has on DTW is the best for her, and for what the Lord wills for others lives. People do not come here by accident, I know that to be true.

    Someone like Kobus is not interested in truth, and until/if he ever repents, you could debate him all day long and he will continue to twist the scripture.
    God will enable those that are TRULY seeking truth, to find the truth, through His word, most importantly. Unless someone comments, we do not know who passes through and there are many that will be presented with Biblical truth, maybe for the first time in their lives. Whether they choose to ‘listen’ is between them and God.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Thank YOU TC!!!

  • Jonathan Lewis

    For you people that are so offended by Kobus destroying the replica of the covenant – Please go read Jer 3:15-17 and be set free from your notion of holding on to something that are no longer relevant.

    Debora maybe you should attend a healing service at Kobus’ place and be healed. Then you can debate and stop hiding.Maybe he can also pray over you and brake that Jezebel spirit controlling you.

    Maybe then you can also repent, as I recently have, for speaking against a man of God.

  • Carolyn

    Debs, re your comment to MX #46 you said: “I try my best to keep this blog going – in fact, it’s Jesus who keeps this blog going, because when I am gone for ages at a time the stats keep going up… so I praise Him for this is His blog :)”

    The older I get, the less I have to offer God and the more he has to work with…it is always surprising how little we have to offer him, but he takes it and multiplies it. I can relate with the word “debilitating”. God takes our weakness and by his power, performs his greatest works. Where then is boasting? It is excluded….

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Jonathan

    No thank, you, my god is not Kobus van Resnburg, but Jesus Christ who I go to directly for healing and just as the apostle Paul was going blind and God did not heal him, so God does not have to heal me – as my illness will serve a purpose – All Glory to Jesus Christ in the end.

    Jonathan, it’s a shame that you went to a man who preaches a FALSE GOSPEL, and where healed by Satan. You should be very worried about WHO HEALED YOU. Can Satan Heal?

    And even if I were well, thinking about it now, I don’t think I would want to debate Kobus van Rensburg, the man speaks sooo much rubbish – it will be difficult to talk to him and reason.
    People flock to his TV station because we are in the LAST DAYS and the GREAT APOSTASY where PEOPLE ARE FALLING AWAY FROM FAITH to doctrines of demons. People WANT to listen to Kobus because they want to follow Satan and his demons, instead of Jesus Christ.

  • Marlene

    Deborah, Ek het Kobus van Rensburg in 1998 geken toe hy nog ‘n nederige pastoor was en hy het toe die Woord suiwer verkondig, maar toe gaan hy vir ‘n onbepaalde tyd Lagos in Nigerië toe in ± 2000 om daar by die vals profeet te gaan leer. Daar is hy hande op gelê en hy het teruggekom ‘n ander man. En dit is van toe af wat hy met sy trix begin het. Ek dink hy het met al Lagos se demone teruggekom.

  • Robbie

    Marlene,
    En dit is presies wat die woord se.

    Mat 24:11 & 12: En baie valse profete sal opstaan en baie mense mislei. En omdat die ongeregtigheid vermeerder word, sal die liefde van die meeste verkoel.

    Daar is ‘n paar pastore wat ek na geluister het klomp jaar terug en tot nou onlangs. Die roeping het ‘n beroep geword en dit kos geld om die narre op die verhoog te hou. EN die skare betaal vir hiedie vermaaklikheids bedryf.

  • Carolyn

    To expand a little on my comment #52.”The older I get, the less I have to offer God and the more he has to work with…it is always surprising how little we have to offer him, but he takes it and multiplies it.”

    Hopefully for the encouragement of others who are experiencing difficult days and asking at times, the question…”how exactly do these days bring glory to the Lord?” I offer the remedy for despondency…the prayer of faith….

    The following are some thoughts on the subject of our days in the light of our afflictions:

    What are we offering to God today on the altar? Superior intellect? Powerful energies? Astonishing competency?

    Isaiah 57:15
    For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

    Romans 12:1
    I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

    Having been stripped of my own works, health, wealth…I can only offer him my availability. My prayer? Use me today, Lord in your service. Some days our faith is weak, our spirits low but if are we willing to offer ourselves alone to God, he can take nothing and make something. In fact if I am offering something apart from submission and sacrifice to him…it may suffer loss in order that my prayers can be a sweet incense to the Lord.

    Afflictions can produce some interesting choices with subsequent results:

    We can turn our eyes to earthly concern for our well being and we wallow in our losses

    We can be consumed with emotions, sadness, regret, anxiety, anger

    We can continue to pretend that it’s God will that everyone should be healed, even though in reality, they are not

    We can look heavenward, pray in earnest and…do the next thing, leaving the results with God.

    In retrospect, when we look back a bit, isn’t it astonishing what God can do with a bit o’ nothing? What we thought was useless and unworthy, God has taken and made something out of it. He takes people from the dust heap and transforms them as they walk along the path with him by the light of his Word and the Power of His Spirit!

  • Poggenpoel

    The prayer tower is ten (10) stories high.

  • Irma

    I have been watching Kobus van Rensburg for +- 7 years and have grown spiritually. He loves God and confess Jesus Christ as Lord. He is lead by Holy Spirit and preaches the unadulterated WORD OF GOD. The tower of prayer that is being built is not for Kobus alone but for everyone who wants to pray, do not make up stories about this, remember you will eat the fruit of your lips. God is Good and I love Him so much.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Irma

    I could not be bothered if the tower is for Kobus alone or anyone who want’s to pray. It’s the fact that it’s a TOWER and that one had to be built.

  • Sarah

    You people are so futile and pathetic. Pharisees attacking Jesus. You are going to look so stupid when you have to face Him and where will your father the devil be to help you then?

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Sarah

    >> Pharisees attacking Jesus.

    Are you saying that Kobus is Jesus? If you are calling us Pharisees then Kobus must be Jesus.

    Come here with biblical scripture to back up your comment next time ok?

  • Sharon

    I’ve never heard of this man. But here in the USA we have more than our share of Wolves in Sheep’s clothing. Plus your word, “you people” here in the USA are fighting words. But I don’t fight. Deborah and others are warning of these Wolves. The wolves are in business for 2 reasons. 1. To damn more people to hell. 2. Money.

    2nd.Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. Their damnation will catch up with them someday.

    When I face Jesus it will be awesome. I will bow down in praise and worship. He shed His precious blood to save a wretch like me. I will Bless His Name, not some false prophet.

    Sarah wrote:

    You people are so futile and pathetic. Pharisees attacking Jesus. You are going to look so stupid when you have to face Him and where will your father the devil be to help you then?

  • Kevin

    All those who laughed at Noah? Be careful when you judge as you told not to! Judge not least you be judged! There is only one who can judge! Amazing how those who have obviously very little time therefore lack knowledge and wisdom as above spend what little time they have commenting and assuming on the things of the” devil” spend this time meditating on the word of God, then you will know the truth, it will set you free, and then and ONLY then will you be prosperous and successful lacking in nothing! Lets hope the floods don’t come again you might be looking for a spot on top of kobus tower! Imagine what you would pay him for that if you or your kids where drowning! Don’t worry if you all above know the truth He promised NEVER to flood the earth again, the rainbow was the sign that He would not! So relax and breathe….

  • Kevin wrote:

    All those who laughed at Noah? Be careful when you judge as you told not to! Judge not least you be judged! There is only one who can judge! Amazing how those who have obviously very little time therefore lack knowledge and wisdom as above spend what little time they have commenting and assuming on the things of the” devil” spend this time meditating on the word of God, then you will know the truth, it will set you free, and then and ONLY then will you be prosperous and successful lacking in nothing! Lets hope the floods don’t come again you might be looking for a spot on top of kobus tower! Imagine what you would pay him for that if you or your kids where drowning! Don’t worry if you all above know the truth He promised NEVER to flood the earth again, the rainbow was the sign that He would not! So relax and breathe….

    You seem to know something about the Bible (the Flood and the rainbow) but very little about the command to test all things. I suggest that you read these verses –

    1 John 4:1 Amplified Bible (AMP)
    4 “Beloved, do not put faith in every spirit, but prove (test) the spirits to discover whether they proceed from God; for many false prophets have gone forth into the world.” (False prophets are to be judged as being inspired by lying spirits).

    Galatians 1:8 Amplified Bible (AMP)
    8 “But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to and different from that which we preached to you, let him be accursed (anathema, devoted to destruction, doomed to eternal punishment).” (False teachers are to be judged and anathematized).

    For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
    (1 Co 5:12-13) (God judges those who are outside the church [unbelievers] but Paul says that believers should judge those who are inside the judge, including those false teachers who mislead others).

    1 Corinthians 11:19 Amplified Bible (AMP)
    19 For doubtless there have to be factions or parties among you in order that they who are genuine and of approved fitness may become evident and plainly recognized among you.

    1 Corinthians 11:19 Amplified Bible (AMP)
    19 For doubtless there have to be factions or parties among you in order that they who are genuine and of approved fitness may become evident and plainly recognized among you. (Division is unavoidable in church and God allows it to separate the true Christians from the false).

    Yes, indeed, the truth sets you free but then it should not be a twisted rendition of the truth. It must be the truth. The very fact hat you say the truth will make you “prosperous and successful, lacking in nothing,” proves that you have been taught a warped kind of truth in your church (which is but a lie) and it probably also proves that you haven’t been se free yet although you believe you have. You can have Kobus’ tower as much as you like. For me personally, I choose to be in Jesus Christ. Are you – and if so, how did you get there?

  • Dan

    Thomas, what is the difference between judging someone and discerning if he/she is telling the truth? I often hear people say “stop judging”. My neighbor is into Ecumenism and when I tried to warn him about it, he went at me with “we all have our blind spots.”

  • Dan wrote:

    Thomas, what is the difference between judging someone and discerning if he/she is telling the truth? I often hear people say “stop judging”. My neighbor is into Ecumenism and when I tried to warn him about it, he went at me with “we all have our blind spots.”,

    Judging a person is to assume the power God alone has to send people to hell. That is why it is wrong to say to someone “to hell with you.”

    Was Paul judging when he wrote these words?

    But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” (Gal 1:8).

    No, I don’t think so because he was putting the fear of the Lord in them and warning them to repent. So, its OK to warn people of their hell-bound journey, unless they repent.

    In ancient times money was made of different kinds of metals. First the metals were burnt to a liquid in a furnace and then poured into a mold. After it had been cooled down the virgin money’s sides had to be shaved with a special instrument because it had rough edges. Some of the guys weren’t very honest and deliberately shaved off more than was necessary. This is where the “dokimos” came in. They knew exactly what the money looked like and what it weighed. How did they know? They compared it with a genuine coin which they had shaved themselves. In the same way we must compare everything we hear with the genuine truth of God’s Word.

    1 Cor 11:19 is very interesting because it uses the same word “dokimos” for genuine Christians. That’s why it says division and heresies are often a good thing because it provides an opportunity to distinguish between false and genuine Christians.

    If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. (Deu 13:1-3)

  • The high priest and his band of priest were blind guides. Decerning wrongly that Jesus was casting out demons by beelzebub, quoting the scriptures but too blind to see what God was doing in season. They were caught up in their doctrines. Close this web page and think of constructive efforts. If you are not of the devil, ask God to feel you with the Holy Spirit so you might be decening. Decernment is not with the head! Kobus is God’s annointed servant. But too sad we have many pharasees, saducees and Sauls in our days. Zealous with wrong knowlegde. Having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof!
    Sorry I don’t have a website, but for purpose of posting.

  • Qhubs

    Oh hayi bethunana! Unexesha Debs! Preach the Word, preach the Kingdom of God, preach Christ; all things will fall into place. Play the ball, not the man.

    I speak healing and health and peace over your life, in the unmatchable Name of Jesus Christ! Receive it, it was all paid for you in full at Calvary”

  • Robbie

    Qhubs,

    Hayi bethunana? “not our people”

    In whose camp are you?

  • Zoe

    Robbie,

    ‘Hayi Bethunana’ is an expression, which in this case is not in favour of Deborah. it’s more like “Oh spare me people”. I could be corrected I’m zulu and this is a Xhosa expression

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    I had a feeling it was not a good saying. But then the prayers of those who curse me have no effect anyhow :)

    Thanks Zoe and Robbie

  • Robbie

    Hey Zoe.

    I will NEVER argue with you on that. My version was a direct translation. At least I saw the “not in favour” part. :-)
    just shows you…Ulwimi olunye zange lonela.

  • Granton

    I am surprised by DTW…instead of doing better things with your time you are hear criticising another believer…

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Granton

    He is not a believer, he is an unbeliever mocking God. And the bible says we are to MARK those who are wicked and warn people about them.

  • S.E.Brown

    [Deleted : Sherry Really? You find a picture of a homosexual and say that is Thomas Lessing? That is not Thomas - I pity you. And Jesus Christ is aware of your false beliefs that go against Christians such as us. What spirit lives in you that you attack us like this? Don't comment again.]

  • Celeste

    Hi. What circus was Kobus’s death. These people are doing so much harm to the Christian faith. In old Bible times they and he (Kobus) would have been stoned.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Celeste

    That is so right, he would have been stoned.

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