Nopretrib – Scott Pruitt’s Brotherly Hatred

I recently commented on Scott Pruitt’s site, “Nopretrib” in response to a person with the pseudonym LT 77. This was Scottie’s response.

Scott Pruitt - Nopretrib Scott Pruitt
commented on Faithful Are The Wounds Of A Friend.
in response to Tom Lessing:
In response to LT77 You ought to know, as an illustrious Bible scholar and researcher, that doctrines are not always elucidated 100 % in a single passage or even an entire book. For instance, end-time prophecy was not explained to the prophet Daniel in perfect detail, using words and concepts that would only be revealed … Continue reading “Faithful Are The Wounds Of A Friend”
Tom, under most circumstances I would no longer allow you to post comments on my blog. However, in this case, since your specific comments and arguments were challenged by another person, I thought it would be fair to give you an opportunity to respond. I’ve done that, while at the same time removing the link you left in your comment, going back to your website. Going forward as previously, your comments are not welcome here.
Also, your argument about “ek” is fallacious. Ek is a preposition that denotes a point of origin. In the case you mentioned, the origin is “among the dead.” In the case of Rev 3:10, ek is referring to the time of testing, but the other word tereo means to “protectively guard over.” You’re focusing on the wrong word and at the same time making an invalid point. Forgive me for disallowing you to respond but you’re welcome to continue railing on your own website.

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Pruitt from Nopretrib says that the word “ek” (“ex” from which the English word “exit is derived) is a preposition that denotes a point of origin, and that’s it. What he, in point of fact, says is that the point of departure (let’s call it, point “A”) is the primary and sole determinative factor in the act of movement. In other words, point “A” does not in any which way possible suggest that a point “B” even exists, so that any movement from out of point A into point B may be accomplished.

“Ek,” therefore, alludes to a static “movement” (if ever there was such a thing) or no movement at all. To make his silly argument look even more insidiously stupid, he refers to my example of the resurrection of Jesus Christ from among the dead in which the words “ek nekros” describes an exit from among the dead into an environment among the living, he says that “ek” in this case also only describes the point of origin.

The magnanimous resurrection of Jesus Christ is not just, as Pruitt from the website Nopretrib suggests, a point of origin – and then “period.” His resurrection was a glorious out of movement from among the dead (leaving the rest of the dead in the place He entered after his death on the cross). It proves that the enemies of the Pretribulation Rapture will do anything to vilify Jesus’ promise in John 14, and even water down his resurrection completely from out of among the dead to merely a “point of origin” with no point of arrival somewhere else.

Pruitt and his Nopretrib continues to deride the Pretribulation Rapture and the resurrection of Jesus Christ with his equally insidious view of the word “tereo” which he interprets as a protection within a point of origin (in this case the seven-year tribulation) without leaving it to move to somewhere else other than the point of origin. The Greek says the following.”

Τηρήσω ἐκ τῆς ὥρας τοῦ which means, when translated literally, “will keep (protect) out of the hour of trial.” The protection (tereo) does not simply mean to protectively guard over someone in their state of origin or circumstances. The word “ek” clearly means to protect someone by removing them completely out of a situation or danger zone, assuring their safety 100%. Pruitt’s Post-tribulation Nopretrib nonsense does not allow for this kind of protection.

In fact, Jesus said:

“And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.” (Rev 13:7).

What kind of protection is this, Mr. Pruitt? Imagine Pruitt and his Nopretrib followers telling his fellow-Christ followers in the seven-year tribulation’s point of origin, “Don’t worry, the antichrist will not be able to kill you because God is going to protect you in the point of origin without having to remove you to another point of complete protection. And then, when the heads start rolling, the saints will probably say to Pruitt. You have lied to us. Look at all our brothers and sister who have been slain by the antichrist. Is this the kind of protection you told us about? Shame on you, Pruitt.”

Pruitt from begs me to forgive him for not allowing me to comment on his Nopretrib blog and rather continue railing on our own site (Discerning the World). This is just another one of the enigmatic dichotomies Pruitt loves to disseminate among his equally deceived brothers and sister. He calls me a railer whilst he endearingly, lovingly, brotherly and sweetly embraces Jacob Prasch who railed at Deborah to the point where he is in danger of hell-fire. Read here. Nonetheless, this is what you usually may expect of hypocrites who refuse to remove the beam out of their own eyes whilst there may be a little mote in someone else’s’ eye.

No exitTo make Scott NoPreTrib Pruitt’s “point of origin” doctrine even clearer, let’s describe it with a little story. Imagine Scott and a friend attending a show at the London Palladium Theatre on Oxford Street, when a huge fire breaks out. His friend shouts, “We must move to the nearest exit to get out as soon as possible, lest we perish. There are nineteen exits. We can’t miss them.” Scottie then calmly says, “Don’t worry, those exits are merely points of origin and we are already in the point of origin, the Palladium Theatre. Don’t fret. The London Firebrigade will protect us.” This is the kind of warning the Pre-wrath and Post-trib protagonists are giving the saints. There is a divine exit available to them (the Pre-tribulation Rapture), but they refuse to acknowledge it.

Despite Scott Pruitt’s brotherly hatred of me and his robust, and thoroughly manly refusal to post my comments on his sight (which we can appreciate in the light of Jacob Prasch’s cowardly attacks on a woman), he does actually read my comments. Here’s the proof. Jippeeeee! Perhaps he is looking to find the truth after all.

Scott Pruitt

Sadly, however, is his demure craftiness to keep the truth from his readers, especially from a person who calls him/herself LT77. Fortunately, I made a copy of my most recent response to LT77 rather puerile arguments.

LT77 commented on Faithful Are The Wounds Of A Friend.

in response to Scott Pruitt:

In answer to your question, I’m post-tribulational. However, I have an affinity with other premillennial believers that are pre-wrath because they still warn that the Church will go through the tribulation and face the Antichrist. I’m also going to allow Tom Lessing’s next comment, just remember, you asked for it. 

Scott, it is well appreciated. Thank you. I’m on the pre-wrath view. I call it a Post-trib (non-classical)/Pre-Wrath view.

Tom, thanks for a respectable answer. Mathematics may be your easy cop-out tool, but let’s take it a step further. You seem to suggestively say man-made terms as scriptural. I find this problematic. Let me gives some examples.

1) “7 year tribulation”- This term is NEVER found in scripture. There IS however a 7 year end time period. Daniels 70th week is this 7 year period. Is this what you are referring to? If so, which I believe it is, can you substantiate with scripture this entire 7 year period as “Tribulation”?

2) “Time of Jacobs trouble”- Now THIS actually is found in scripture. But you interpret this INTO this man-made term of the “7 year Tribulation”. If you read the verse in context, it speaks of “that day”. Is “that day” equivalent to your 7 year tribulation? If so, how does that mathematically work?

3) “Tribulation Saints”- Again, non-existent in scripture. Another pre-trib man-made term. Are there any verses to substantiate this concept?

4) “Jews only-ism”- Again, another pre-trib man-made concept that doesn’t exist in scripture. Let’s break this down in numerous ways. Firstly, Simon the Canaanite, one of Christs disciples was NOT a Jew. Second, the audience of Jews present at the Olivet Discourse are ALSO the ones who were given the “great commission” to go out and preach to the world and establish the Church. Also when Jesus taught them communion at the last supper. Are those moments also for the Jews only? Third, Mark 13 makes a final statement in the Olivet Discourse of, “what I say unto you I say unto all, watch.” What Mark 13 does NOT say is, what I say unto you (Jews only), I say unto all (Jews only). What exactly does this statement mean in you interpretation? Fourth, if the unscriptural 7 year trib as you say is for the Jews only, what about ALL the millions upon millions upon millions of Jews that have died in the last 2000 years? Are they just out of luck? Only the Jews alive during the tribulation have the “refinement” grace period you speak of? Here’s the problem, the “Jews” living in 2018 as we speak, through the Holy Spirit can ACCEPT Christ as their Lord and Saviour! Some Jews today have already accepted Christ. Whosoever believeth is an open invitation for WHOSOEVER believes in Christ. 1 John 2:22 “Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.” Are these the Jews that are going to be “refined” in Zechariah?

As for your final comments, you said, “you have a strange way of thinking that Gods judgments during the seven seals are merely temptations”. Well, I never said they were to begin with. But let’s analyze your own words. You said, “rider on a pale horse, billions of people are going to die”…Are you suggesting this is God pouring out His vengeance? If so, please explain. Is God or Christ ever associated with the pale horse? Through the first six Seals we are in Tribulation. Gods Wrath is NOT being poured out just yet. When billions are being killed, it is the AntiChrist that is doing this. Not God.

Thx again Scott, and yes, I asked for it!

Scott Pruitt who hates my guts will probably not post this comment. Nevertheless, if he refuses, I will post it on my site for you to read and learn the truth.

Mathematics is certainly not your best niche. I’m not surprised because Pre-wrath cronies don’t know how to count. I find it rather odd that you readily agree that the 70 weeks are years, which, if you calculate it correctly. are 490 years. You seem to think the weeks referred to in Daniel 9:24-27 are 7-day periods. Naughty, naughty! Even Scott Pruitt will be able to refute you on this. Now, if God who is omnipotent, and to whom a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years, is quite capable of using 7 days (a week) and change it into seven years, who are we to argue? The same argument applies to “day.” God is quite capable of using the term day not only as a 24-hour period but also as a longer period of time to express something unique He intends to do.

There are several passages in Scripture proving that the seven-year tribulation is indeed the time of Jacob’s Trouble, although many gentiles will also experience the time of his wrath. The prophecy in Daniel 9 clearly says: “Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people [the Jews] and upon thy holy city [Jerusalem], to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.” (Daniel 9:24). What’s so difficult to understand about that?

If you want to deny that an omnipotent God can use whomsoever he wills, including Antichrist to execute his righteous judgments, then you must also deny that He used Pharaoh Thutmose II to oppress the Israelite, Nebuchadnezzar II of Babylon to take into exile some of the Jews, and the Roman army under Titus to destroy Jerusalem and the temple in 70 AD, God’s righteous judgments are often dispensed in giving his people what they want. Jesus said, “I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.” (John 5:43).

By the way, your inference that it is not God’s wrath but that of Antichrist robs Jesus of his worthiness to open the seven seals. (Revelation 5:4-5). Antichrist would never have been able to vent his hatred against the Jews and Gentiles during the seven-year tribulation if Jesus hadn’t been the only worthy One to open the seven seals. Or do you think Antichrist, Satan or anyone else is equally worthy? Moreover, the seven-year tribulation will be a time of severe divine judgment. Jesus said, “For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son.” (John 5:22). Antichrist will be the instrument He uses to judge the world and the nations.

Your argument under point 4 is puerile. You cannot assume that because so and so were not Jews at venues and instances so and so, that the tribulation cannot be a time of Jacob’s Trouble. Don’t you understand the Gospel for the Gentiles? Read Romans 8:11-15. Surely you must know what that means. It means that God has put the last seven years of the 490 years on hold before He once again deals with Israel, so that He may save the Gentiles.  (2 Peter 3:9).

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Tom Lessing is the author of the above article. Discerning the World is an internet Christian Ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa. Tom Lessing and Deborah Ellish both own Discerning the World. For more information see the About this Website page below the comments section.

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  1. Dear Al

    Right you are… :thumbsup:

  2. Tom

    You said “Mildred has very subtly and, may I say, cunningly dodged the real issue by quoting just about the entire New Testament without really understanding…”

    Yes that’s exactly it what I thought too…with a few of these :dazed: in between my thoughts. I was just so flummoxed at her ‘cunning abilities’ that I truly had no idea how to explain what she had done, but you explain it in such an eloquent sentence. Congrats Tom :like: .

  3. Hi Debs, Quoting the Bible is essential but it also can be used as a smokescreen to proclaim false doctrines, as you already know. :like:

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