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SHOCKING!! – Kobus van Rensburg’s son preaching while DRUNK at service – 20 Nov 2011

SHOCKING!! - Kobus van Rensburg's son preaching while DRUNK at service - 20 Nov 2011

By 73Believer from Youtube

Prophet Kobus van Rensburg’s own son, Kobus van Rensburg jnr. had the audacity to arrive at church one day; drunk.

The kid definitely has problems being drunk, knowing that he he had to preach that day. Here’s some advice, why don’t you ask your father to “heal” you from your alcoholism?

In the video, Kobus van Rensburg jnr. admits to being drunk, speaks about the benefits of being drunk and mentions a drinking bar located in the church.

You can hear the church people laughing at him (or with him) because he is drunk.

Listen how Kobus van Rensburg jnr speaks about the Holy Spirit in his drunken state…

Here is what the Bible has to say about Kobus jnr.

1 Corinthians 6 9-10 KJV:  “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

And here’s a verse that proves that “Prophet” Kobus van Rensburg is just another false prophet.

1 Timothy 3 4-5 KJV: “One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?

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117 comments to SHOCKING!! – Kobus van Rensburg’s son preaching while DRUNK at service – 20 Nov 2011

  • Ria Mey

    I do want to comment on this: what a disgrace. I really pray that God closes this so-called “church”. Sorry if I sound harsh, but these people are a disgrace to the Christian world…how come nobody take them to task? Jgggg.

  • Kate Akele

    This guy is simply pathetic!

  • Hester

    I am more saddened by the absolute shocking behaviour of the congregation! What a statement of truth it would have been if they got up and walked out. Or are they worried that they might look like they are stuck up? For evil to succeed it takes good men to do nothing. And by not taking a stance I think you are in agreement and you are saying it is okay then. 1Jn 2:6 reads “Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did”. How is he walking like Jesus did? I just kept on thinking, what if there is a wife, child or parent sitting there who has had to deal with drunkenness and broken homes and broken lives because of alchohol to be faced with this?

  • Shaun

    I think that ‘1 Timothy 3 4-5 KJV: “One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?’ is exceptionally harsh, and one should hold each person accountable for their actions as individuals. Your attack on Kobus Senior is unfounded and unfair. I can only voice my opinion and bring on the damning scripture led attack as I am certain to get but I am entitled to it and I think that a few lines of scripture hardly proves him a false prophet.

  • Robbie

    Ria I fully agree and if I could “like” that!

    This is blasphemous! A drunkard that needs to repent.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Hester

    >> I am more saddened by the absolute shocking behaviour of the congregation

    You are absolutely right, I thought the same thing. They were laughing WITH HIM, not really at him. This is the state the the church. The congregation who thought he was funny might as well got up and went and got drunk too. All drunken revellers.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Shaun

    Harsh? No, you should read the rest of chapter in Timothy regarding what a pastor should be like. And Shaun, do yourself a favour just like you have NOT read Timothy try read the other articles PROVING why Kobus IS a FALSE PROPHET based on the REST OF THE BIBLE you have not read either.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Email from Paul K

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    You left me with no choice but to question your christianity and dignity, if you so holy why would you question other people, are you alone right, more holy then thou, you are disgusting to challenge the MEN of God, never ever have Kobus criticize any one he proof you holy people what the power of God is and mean to others, sies for a priest or whatever you call yourself???

    ————-

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Paul K

    All righty then… come comment on the website instead of emailing me.

  • Estelle

    Paul K, it is not challenging them, it is exposing them. Jesus would not want us to keep quiet if we know someone is living in sin or lying to a huge amount of people. If his son is like this, what example is this of his father?
    I agree, the people in the congregation is laughing with him…looks almost like they cannot control themselves.
    Well if anyone believes this they are either very naive or they just go to a church, without any knowledge of God or the Bible…not knowing what is right and what is wrong.

  • Werner

    Paul, God did not call us to harbour friendships with that which is false. But to earnestly agonize for the body of truth once for all given, not to be added to or subtracted from. Jude 1:3.

    We are called to challenge men of God, or in this case, so called… Does 1 John 4:1 not teach us to test every spirit? The world will love its own, and its own will love it.

    The true doctrine as to the Saviour’s person, as leading men from the world to God, is a mark of the spirit of truth in opposition to the spirit of error. The more pure and holy any doctrine is, the more likely to be of God; nor can we by any other rules try the spirits whether they are of God or not. And what wonder is it, that people of a worldly spirit should cleave to those who are like themselves, and suit their schemes and discourses to their corrupt taste?

    Further, it is the Word of God who judges your prophet, Heb 4:12 – it is a judge of the innermost thoughts, in this way the word of God reveals the whole man particularly in relation to his heart attitudes, and his believing faith, that which will enable him to enter into rest. The word of God examines, judges, and admonishes the Christian to holy living and to believing faith.

    Lastly, just because your prophet can perform a trick or two, does not make him a prophet from God. Jannes and Jambres the two Egyptian magicians performed counterfeit miracles in opposition to Moses. Ex 7:11, 22. They are, similar to Kobus, symbols of the folly of opposing the truth.

  • Shaun

    [edited by DTW – >> Deborah, My God is Ludwig Van Beethoven and he is not a hypocrit and my bible is people.]

    Don’t comment again. This is a website for Christians not athiests supporting con-artist Christians making money off Christianity and making a MOCKERY OF JESUS CHRIST

  • Kate Akele

    Dear Deborah and the discerningtheworld team,
    Thanks for the eyeopeners. I was led to other sites as well. What can I say except’Come, Lord Jesus’. Nigeria has been infected by this poison as well. Now, I understand why W.F Kumuyi issued a RED ALERT about Peter Wagner and Rebecca Brown years ago. He warned and had their books banned in the church bookshop. My prayers for you all are in Psalms 20 vs 1 to 6 and Numbers 6 24- 26.
    by the way, I’ve got three books to recommend to you. Frank Peretti’s ‘The Visitation’ nails what is going on in the church to a tee, ditto for Francine Rivers’ ‘And the Shofar Blew’ and an ‘old school’ book reprinted by Barbour- ‘In a Twinkling of an eye’ by Sydney Watson. the last was written over a hundred years ago, deals with the Rapture and the RC ‘church’ being the AntiChrist’s religious platform.
    As for those exposed, I pray they repent. It’s sad that millions of souls have been led to hell because of their luciferian teachings.

  • Burning Lamp

    Regarding Frank Peretti, BEWARE!!!
    His fictional works seem to promote positive confession, unbilbical concepts of spiritual warfare and dominionism. They contain many unscriptural references to angels and other aspects of the spirit world. He has a pentecostal background.

    From Wikipedia:

    Peretti’s fictional portrayal of spiritual warfare reflects in part his background in the Assemblies of God and the contemporary focus of Pentecostal writings on the demonic. His concept of Territorial Spirits reigning over cities is paralleled in non-fiction works in theology and missions by Pentecostal writers such as C. Peter Wagner, Larry Lea, Ed Silvoso and Ed Murphy.

    As his novels have been widely sold and read throughout Evangelical, Charismatic and Pentecostal churches, Peretti’s fiction has excited the imaginations of pastors and non-clergy alike on the subject of spiritual warfare. Michael Maudlin reports that some readers have been so enthused they have declared that This Present Darkness is the best book ever written after the Bible.[citation needed]

    Some critical reservations have been expressed by a number of Evangelical and Pentecostal writers that many readers are using Peretti’s novels as manuals on prayer, exorcism, spiritual warfare and as guidebooks about dangers of the New Age movement. For example, Kim Riddlebarger expresses alarm that many readers have “redefined their entire worldview based upon a novel” and insists that the Bible does not call upon Christians to “engage in spiritual warfare as a combat between angels and demons.” (“This Present Paranoia”, pp 278 and 279).

  • Nick

    Act 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
    Act 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
    Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
    Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

    First I’d like to say that Kobus isn’t intoxicated with Alchahol ! This is the state of being that a person can be in when you truely surrender to the Holy Spirit. Think about it for a minute. If someone paid the price for all your transgressions from now till forevermore , how would you look ? Would you try and hold your pose and pretend that you can save yourself ? Or would you look like this guy ?

    Secondly , ” the bar ” that he is referring to is The Holy Spirit !

    Thirdly , the people are drinking from the same bar ! These people are truely happy about what God has done for them. It might look moronic to you but you have to become like a child to enter into the Kingdom. Have you entered ?

    Listen to the man in the context of what he is talking about. I guarantee you this man hasn’t had a drop of alchahol.

  • Johngard

    While for many years I have known Kobus to be a false prophet who propagates some of the most hair-raising doctrines, I think everyone might be missing a point here. Is his son not claiming to be “drunk in the spirit” (Acts 2:15)? If so, it becomes a doctrinal issue rather than a behavioural issue. And perhaps the “audience” are participating, not in the belief that he is drunk through alcohol but drunk in the “spirit.”

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Thanks BL regarding Frank Peretti

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Nick

    If you are trying to insist that the blasphemous Toronoto Blessing Type ‘Holy Intoxication’ is taking place here with Kobus Jn then you are wrong. Kobus is drunk from drinking two much alcohol – period.

    And you don’t understand the verse of Acts your quoted to me.

    Please read this article: Your Sons and Your Daughters Will Prophesy, But Not Yet…

    There are three facets to keep in mind to have a correct interpretation of (Acts 2:17) which refers to (Joel 2,3).

    1 Time
    2 Place
    3 Recipients

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Johngard.

    I watched many and I mean many videos on the Tonoto Blessing where people blasphemed the name of the Holy Spirit and acted as thou they there drunk under a false Spirit. The biggest issue is this, the differences between Kobus Jnr and Toronto Blessing Intoxication is that Kobus knew exactly what he was saying and could speak a some senstense, and he was not rolling around on the floor, lying drunk. The filfly spirit that took over at Toronoto left people totally inebriated- thy could not string to words together, the congregation slid off their chairs onto the floor totally inebriated after this spirit passed over them.

    I believe that we are are seeing here in this church is nothing but FLESHSHLY sin in the house of the LORD>

  • Werner

    Dear Nick,

    I’m not saying this to demean your character,but it seems that you are either young in the Lord, or completely ignorant to truth…

    This nonsense you believe and are taught by these people are old news from the exposed Toronto blessing charasmania…http://religioninfo.org/laughter.html, this is just one of millions of resources available, but should wake you to further questioning.

    On Acts 2:16-17, see Joel 2:28-32, don’t just quote Scripture without reading it first, or understanding it.

    The fulfillment of this prophecy will be in the last days, immediately preceding the return of Christ, when all the particulars (v20), of the prophecy will come to pass.

    After Israel’s future repentance and restoration (Zech 12:10;13:1), in connection with the second advent of Christ, as witnessed by the portents of v30, and Acts 2:16-17. The Holy Spirit will then be poured out on all classes of Israel who belong to the believing remnant…please stop raping a single verse to promote heresies!!

    Rev 6:12, these cosmic disturbances are predicted in Isa 34:4,Joel 2:30-31, and Matt 24:29, so please tell me how you came to apply Acts 2:17 to the ungodly behaviour of your guru?

  • Ginny Morkel

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  • Ja

    You are so wrong and understand nothing of the Word.

    Haven’t you ever had the privilage of being drunk in the Holy Spirit, not mentioning when the whole congregations gets drunk in the Holy Spirit.

    Be careful people… it is dangerous to be belittle God’s Work. I have witnessed that specific event and have been witness of many God worked miracles through Kobus van Rensburg and the staff of Spirit Word. Just as the religeous Jews could not stop God’s work through His children, no man or religeous people of our day will be able to stop His work at Spirit Word.

    One thing is sure, your fierce attacking them says a lot… nothing different than the religeous crowd attacked Jesus… For ever this was true over centuries. Religeous people attack God’s work, yet them selves are unfruitful.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Ja

    >> Haven’t you ever had the privilage of being drunk in the Holy Spirit, not mentioning when the whole congregations gets drunk in the Holy Spirit.

    Be careful that you don’t attribute evil to the Holy Spirit. There is not such thing as being drunk in the Holy Spirit. Just because you have experienced the manifestation of a false spirit does not mean you can now call it biblical. No where in the bible does anyone laugh and you can’t even twist the scripture of the Pentecost because they were not drunk.

    Spirit Word produces nothing but evil fruit from a THORN TREE.

  • James Potgieter

    Wake up people and stop your critical religious Spirit !!! I am proud to say Kobus van Rensburg achieved something which no other Preacher has done in the past…world-wide,and on top of it that he is a South African.I salute you Kobus and Annalise.Thank you for exposing the lies which preachers taught us through the years,religion stinks !!!.Their is fruit on your work and you are expanding..AWESOME !!!.I joined Kobus son when he laughed in the spirit,its reality !!At least their is live and not a funeral which so many churches are…dead !.BRAVO Spirit word Ministries…your Ministry speaks of Excellence.Prophet Kobus i honour you as a true Prophet and not to take notice of the religious cows…WOW !!All the blessings,success and progress to Spirit Word Ministries…and…keep on being drunk in the Spirit…its scriptural and real !!! Glory to God for Spirit Word Ministries to finally give the religious world a wake-up call.James.South Africa

  • Robbie

    Ja.

    What an insult to a Holy God, to attribute drunken behavior to His Holy Spirit! While the Bible never refers to being ‘drunk in the Spirit’, it contains numerous condemnations of drunkenness, and it does refer to spiritual drunkenness as a judgment from God. Consider the following passages:

    I have trodden down the peoples in My anger, made them drunk in My fury… Isaiah 63:6

    “…Thus says the Lord: “Behold, I will fill all the inhabitants of this land…with drunkenness! “And I will dash them one against another…(I) will destroy them” Jeremiah 13:13-14

    “And they will drink and stagger and go mad because of the sword I will send among them.”
    Jeremiah 25:16

    ‘Therefore you shall say to them, “Thus says… the God of Israel: “Drink, be drunk, and vomit! Fall and rise no more…”‘ Jeremiah 25:27

    No Ja, you are the clueless one…

  • Robbie

    Ja.

    It was in 1994 when The Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship held their “Have Another Drink” conference. I include some of their own description of the conference so that you can get a feel for the ungodly and profane nature of their ‘worship’:

    “Have Another Drink – Never a Sober Moment”

    Spirit is NOT an alcoholic beverage.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    James

    >> Thank you for exposing the lies which preachers taught us through the years,religion stinks

    So Kobus does indeed preach another gospel, one that contradicts the HOLY WORD OF GOD

    >> and not to take notice of the religious cows

    You called me a cow? LOL That’s a new one. Do GENUINE Christians speak like that? No they don’t.

    >> keep on being drunk in the Spirit…its scriptural and real

    Really? Give us scripture to PROVE IT James

  • Werner

    Dear James,

    The primary way a relationship with Jesus develops is by reading the revelation of Himself given in His Word. This is the only way to obtain specific information about Him that is objective and absolutely true. In addition, not only is the content of Scripture inspired by the Holy Spirit, but that same Spirit of Truth is given to believers to understand that content. How then could those who profess to follow God’s Word come up with erroneous ideas about Jesus? Regrettably, many are getting their information about Jesus from sources outside the Bible or second hand from those who claim to be teaching what the Bible says about our Lord.

    Practise what you preach, i.e. WAKE-UP!

  • Robbie

    >>>Regrettably, many are getting their information about Jesus from sources outside the Bible or second hand from those who claim to be teaching what the Bible says about our Lord.<<<

    True Werner, I still say ignorance means "dumb on purpose". But this is what happens if we pay someone to read and interprate the Word for us. We find ourselves at a "loss for words" when we really need it.

    indeed… wake up James,

  • Anibrand

    Eph_5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; KJV
    Get real guys. I was in church when Kobus Jnr were “Drunk” Funny how after your 10 minite clip he preached for more than an hour and was sober three mins after your ten minite clip. Start studying the bible and stop clinging to your own believes. There is 53 more scriptures that prooves drunk in the spirrit… geus its time to dust of your bibles and use them.(Dont tell me there is noScripture) Learn Greek and Hebrew first. Todays bibles are so twisted… If you have a KING JAMES you have the closest to the real thing you’ll get. Be Blessed guys

  • Smuggler

    James
    James Potgieter wrote:

    Wake up people and stop your critical religious Spirit !!! I am proud to say Kobus van Rensburg achieved something which no other Preacher has done in the past…world-wide,and on top of it that he is a South African.I salute you Kobus and Annalise.Thank you for exposing the lies which preachers taught us through the years,religion stinks !!!.Their is fruit on your work and you are expanding..AWESOME !!!.I joined Kobus son when he laughed in the spirit,its reality !!At least their is live and not a funeral which so many churches are…dead !.BRAVO Spirit word Ministries…your Ministry speaks of Excellence.Prophet Kobus i honour you as a true Prophet and not to take notice of the religious cows…WOW !!All the blessings,success and progress to Spirit Word Ministries…and…keep on being drunk in the Spirit…its scriptural and real !!! Glory to God for Spirit Word Ministries to finally give the religious world a wake-up call.James.South Africa

    The Word of God say’s that we must TEST the Spirits. (1 Joh4:1)
    James, Let us then test the “spirit” in that which you wrote and see if it matches up to the Word of God.

    You say that you are “proud” about Kobus and Analise… 2 Problems in that sentence nl. 1. God resists the proud and 2. You are Proud of a Mans achievement.

    You do not give any Glory to God.

    You then continue to declare:

    “Kobus i honor you…”

    .
    Problem: You are honoring a man and not God.

    You then end the sentence in a very “prideful spirit” :

    “not to take notice of the religious cows…WOW !!”

    With this statement, you are elevating yourself above other people.
    The Bible says’ that we must be humble servants not boastful and arrogant…

    Jas 4:16 But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil.
    Jesus also said that “By their fruit you will know them” right ? (Mat 7:16)

    James, if you are then a follower of the Ministry of Kobus and PRIDE, as displayed by your statement above, is then the FRUIT of Kobus and Annalise’s ministry then they are not ministers in God’s service under the guidance of His Spirit.

    Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but the corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
    Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

    James, the Word of God also say: “The Pride in your heart has deceived thee…” (Obad 1:3)

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Anibrand

    >> There is 53 more scriptures that prooves drunk in the spirrit

    No there is not and I would call you a liar for saying so but instead I will let you go and find these 53 scriptures to prove your point. *Waiting*

  • Robbie

    Anibrand
    … in the line too, waiting.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    We are going to be awaiting a loooonggggg timeee…but we shall wait never the less ;)

  • Smuggler

    Anibrand

    I study Hebrew and Greek.
    I also have a friend in Israel who’s home languages are Hebrew and Greek. He has a Greek Father and a Jewish Mother.. He is born again, Spirit filled and do understand scripture in it’s rightful context. He reads the Bible in Aramaic/Hebrew and Greek.
    We would be very interested to see the “scriptures” that you will produce to “validate” your statements.
    PLEASE provide us with the scriptures. By not proving your point you would be found an unreliable witness.

  • Werner

    Anibrand,

    I don’t know why you are referring to Eph 5:18 to back-up your folly, it has nothing to do with the lie you believe.

    Even if you read a corrupt version like The Message, one cannot deduct from Scriptures what you apparently have. As a bonus, stating that the KJV is the closest to the truth is debatable, and if it was, then surely you have failed to understand its contents, as your views are far from the truth, God’s truth.

    The above mentioned passage urges us to be continually filled with the Spirit – that is, controlled by the Spirit. The better way is to allow the Holy Spirit to have control, similar to the way that alcohol may control a person’s thoughts and actions. This does not mean charasmania witchcraft.

    The true elixir of life and the false. Paul warns against intoxicants that give momentary natural exhilaration and often lead to excess, 18a, which he contrasts with the true stimulant of God, the Holy Spirit. The injunction is to be continually filled with Him (completely submitted to His presence and control), instead of wine.

    The results of being Spirit-filled. These are productive of the greatest good, and involve a life overflowing with joyful song and praise to the Lord, and a thankful spirit, the result of clear appreciation for all God’s blessings given to us in Christ’s redemption, 20 (Ps 34:1; Phil 4:6).

    Whatever bible version you use, you still cannot conclude the heresies you did! Please explain?

  • Aliki

    Hallo Debs, I am also waiting.
    Earlier I had a visit from one of Kobus v Rensburg’s followers and when I asked the same question I got no reply.
    I was invited to a gathering that was addressed by Kobus many years ago by this person. While waiting for proceedings to start I became aware of evil spirits around the hall and remarked on it.
    The first thing that Kobus did when he appeared was to ask the evil spirits to depart. If that was’nt enough, I was targetted And even had a tape recording of a “sermon” thrown at me. Did try to listen but could’nt. Many, many words with the odd sentence that was understanable.

    The one thing that I remember was the loud repetitive trancelike music.
    Ofcourse I was condemned this morning as I was then.

    Blessing on your great work

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Aliki

    My word, that is unbelievable. Well don’t worry your little self about Kobus, we here at DTW know he is a fully fledged bonafied FALSE PROPHET and FALSE TEACHER and we shall continue to point this out and warn as many people as we can to stay away from him. The Word of God is clear when it comes to men like Kobus van Rensburg:

    This shows the seriousness of the issue of false teachers and those who would corrupt the truth of God and delude the people of God.
    Matthew 23:13. “But woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shake off the kingdom of heaven from people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.”

    and Matthew 21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

    Paul writes to Titus to tell him he has to deal with the false teachers present in the church at Crete.
    Look at verse Titus1:10, “For there are many rebellious men, empty talkers, and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision…”
    In New Testament time the particular problem that the apostles faced was those who came out of the Jewish background, who professed to believe in Jesus Christ, but created an unbiblical mix of the Mosaic Law and the message of our Lord Jesus Christ. It corrupted the gospel and confused people. Paul then tells Titus in verse 11 Titus:10:11, “..who must be silenced because they are upsetting whole families”.
    Verse 16 says Titus 10:16 “They profess to know God, but by their deeds they deny Him, being detestable and disobedient and worthless for any good deed.”

  • tyron

    I greet all of u in da name of my lord jesus christ of nazareth whom paul preaches who wasa cricified unto the worls and the world unto him the bible says if u rebuke sum1 rebuke him with love and don’t rebuke an elderly but I have to ask how dare all of u pass judgement on minister van rensburg for something his son did yes maybe he spoke to his son about it bt remember GOD gave us a free will it was his sons decision to drink nt prophet kobus does not jesus himself say whoever is without sin let him cast the first stone I’m sure all of u forgot what prophet kobus does his a minister of GOD and the bible says touch not my annointed once and do my PROPHETS no harm if I were u I’d repent if anyone of u says I am wrong plz mail me @ [email removed]

  • Panagiotis

    oh funy funy funy. you peeps sure have lots of time to waste on this. Man some of us have to work for a living. Will post the scripture tonight. Just have to say there is no point in doing so because you oaks will always find a way to go around… Stop judging dudes. And start to live. Dont try to be God. Rather let God be God cause i believe he is best at it. Realy people. what do you want to achive? Proove to the world that He preached while drunk???? and then what then????? you gonna tell the world your secrets? no because you are all hypocrites. You all make the word off God of no Effect. Dammit people for once just accept that it is not about you and what you believe. Its about God. I bet none of you have the balls to be on a cross…dying for the world… so why would you then try to be clever??? leave that part to God. I salute Kobus van Rensburg and his family. The are the first Christians i ever met that are true… not judging… ag man the list can go on for hours….days…. years…. i geus its time you all back off and get something else to write about… Maybe your affair with your wife’s sister or the fact that you all are just stupid sinners. and stop putting your self on a pedestal. Id just say you all are not much of backbone Malakis Mene. Realy stop being so stupid and open your eyes and focus on the cross and what happend there. And please delete my post from ur page caus i dont like asosiating with people like you.Bless you kobus and followers.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Panagoitis aka Anibrand (Why you had to change names is beyond me, did you think I would not notice? Is there ever a time when you don’t lie?)

    Thanks for responding to my email to come and reply. We were waiting patiently for your to answer us with scripture. But it would appear instead of showing us that you were in deed telling the truth, that there are indeed 53 scriptures on being drunk in the spirit in the Bible, you have shown yourself to be a liar, just like your Prohet Kobus van Rensburg.

    There is no such thing as being drunk in the spirit, and there is NO account of this ever happening in the bible. So what happened to Kobus Jr is one of 2 things 1) He was taken over by a demonic spirit 2) He was in fact really drunk on alcohol.

    You need to wake up Anibrand. Calling us names (because you could not answer our questions, after you stated some so called biblical facts first (which was not true)) is not going to solve your problem that you are being lied to by the van Rensburgs.

    I pray your eyes are opened the truth before it’s too late.

    PS and I don’t know if you have noticed but you are blaspheming Jesus name when you write comments, by saying ‘geus’. It’s a shortened slang version of Jesus. Has the Holy Spirit ever convicted you of this?

    You know you would think that all Kobus’ congregants would know their bible so well, but they don’t, they know nothing, because Kobus spoon feeds then his own brand of gospel that is false – So when his followers are asked simple biblical truths they can’t answer, what they are good at is name calling, threatening and Zigheiling their prophet.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    tyron

    >> and the bible says touch not my annointed once and do my PROPHETS no harm

    (If I had R1 for every time someone said this to me I would be a millionaire)

    Your so called anointed are touched in more ways than one. You do not know the gospel truth so you can’t tell the difference between a genuine man of God vs a false man (Kobus van Rensburg).

    And don’t come and twist scripture with regards to casting the first stone – that was for a completely different situation than this. And what’s this about ‘not rebuking the elderly?’ um… at what age does that apply? 40? 35? Cos I think I am old. So maybe you should stop rebuking me!!! I am an an elderly… what a joke. Never heard such nonsense before in all my life.

    If this is the way you read your bible and decipher scripture no wonder you are in the clutches of Kobus van Rensburg. You know the scariest thing is this, UNBELIEVERS can tell from a mile away that he is a CROOK. No where in the bible does it tell you that when you become a Christian you are to become stupid and follow after any person that comes to you proclaiming the name of the Lord. You are to TEST THEM, and continually TEST THEM ALWAYS, forever and ever.

    Do you do this? TEST? Or do you just follow blindly? And don’t lie and say you test because you know you don’t. But would you like to know the TRUTH? and get a clue as to what Kobus van Rensburg is REALLY preaching and why it’s so false?

    Aren’t you just one bit interested in knowing what it is that he is doing that makes hundreds of thousands of genuine Christians SHOUT OUT ‘FALSE TEACHER, FALSE PROPHET’. If you want to know, read all the articles on this website regarding Kobus van Rensburg and TB Joshua etc. And THINK about what you are reading about, don’t just dismiss it. Ask God to open your eyes to the truth.

  • Smuggler

    Anibrand

    Your “second” personae “Panagiotis” is very interesting…

    Panagiotis (Greek, pronounced Panayiodis (mainland Greece) is sometimes phonetically transliterated as Panayiotis or latinized as Panagiotes, it is a common male Greek name deriving from the epithet Panagia (“all-holy”), which is one of the titles of Mary, the mother of Jesus in Orthodox Christianity.

    What are you trying to say with this name ???
    This name “shouts” out PRIDE . . .

    Anibrand, (“onfire” in English) we as believers are urged by Paul to test ourselves (2 Cor 13:5) Please test yourself against the image of Christ and see if you are not false . . .otherwise you might end up “anibrand” (onfire) for ever !

  • Robbie

    Anibrand/panagoitis

    See how foolish alcohol makes you?

  • tyron

    [deleted] I don’t have time to listen to dribble about the love for your false prophet

  • Panagiotis

    [deleted by DTW]

  • Panagiotis

    [deleted by DTW]

  • Panagiotis

    and deborah aswipe whatever i am not stupid. i knew i changed it. Lol!!!!

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Panagiotis

    >> and deborah aswipe whatever i am not stupid. i knew i changed it. Lol!!!!

    Of course you knew you changed it, the fact is you wanted us to think you were someone else, by changing your name, why else change your name, you should have just kept your name Anibrand. Never the less…

    Calling me swear words is about par for the course from Kobus cult followers – you definitely do not portray any traits of a Christian

  • Panagiotis

    [deleted by DTW] Panagoitis, how about this, you give us those 53 scriptures YOU SAID are in the Bible about being drunk in the spirit and I will let you carry on commenting here :) How does that sound? Until you gives us those scriptures I will just keep deleting because you are adding NO VALUE to this topic what-so-ever.

  • Panagiotis

    Coward

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Panagiotis – 53 scriptures please?

  • Smuggler

    Panagoitis…

    Panagiotis wrote:

    oh funy funy funy. you peeps sure have lots of time to waste on this. …. Dammit people for once just accept that it is not about you and what you believe. Its about God. I bet none of you have the balls to be on a cross…dying for the world… so why would you then try to be clever???

    Pro 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink a brawler; And whosoever erreth thereby is not wise.

    Panagiotis wrote:

    I salute Kobus van Rensburg and his family. The are the first Christians i ever met that are true…. . . . .Bless you kobus and followers.

    I think that Mr. Panagiotis is a little disapointed that he has not been acknoledged by Kobus in his church. Anibrand/Panagoitis is trying to get some “browny points” with
    these “hail Mary’s” to Kobus…
    Gal 1:10 For am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? or am I striving to please men? if I were still pleasing men, I should not be a servant of Christ.

    Panagiotis wrote:

    Will post the scripture tonight.

    Panagoitis has not delivered and is thus is not Trustworthy . . . If I was Kobus van Rensburg, I would be very wary of Anibrand/Panagoites because he might just change his name and then … Et Tu Brutes ?

    Panagiotis wrote:

    and deborah aswipe whatever i am not stupid. i knew i changed it. Lol!!!!

    Pro 15:12 A scoffer loveth not to be reproved; He will not go unto the wise.
    Pro 24:7 Wisdom is too high for a fool:

    Panagiotis wrote:

    Coward

    Jas 1:20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.

  • Aliki

    It seems to be quite acceptable in the Kobus camp to swear and call people names.

    Their arrogance leaves me breathless. Blessings

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Aliki

    You should see the emails they sent me…

  • Aliki

    I formed an opinion on that based on my own experience when I “dared”to disagree.

    Previously I told you about a meeting that I attended. At that meeting the “flock ” were told by Kobus that he had been fasting for 40 days and was continuing his fast.
    As opposed to the 3 fasts in the Bible he was lively and did not even appear pale. I walked out when he said that all present were “condemned to victory” in reference to Luke 10:20 LOL.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Aliki

    >> were told by Kobus that he had been fasting for 40 days and was continuing his fast. As opposed to the 3 fasts in the Bible he was lively and did not even appear pale

    That’s cos he was not fasting? LOL

    >> I walked out when he said that all present were “condemned to victory” in reference to Luke 10:20 LOL.

    “condemned to victory” That’s um… an oxymoron…

  • Aliki

    You’re so right about the oxymoron. I had forgotten to leave my brain at the door as someone said previously on the blog.

    Tend to write in an abbreviated form (Sorry)

    As regards the fast…… his followers put his in the same league as Our Lord, Moses and Elijah? That seemed to be the implication. Horrors

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Aliki

    That is the general trail of false prophets, they elevate themselves sometimes onto levels of Biblical characters like Moses and Elijah…

  • Martie

    James Potgieter wrote:

    Wake up people and stop your critical religious Spirit !!! I am proud to say Kobus van Rensburg achieved something which no other Preacher has done in the past…world-wide,and on top of it that he is a South African.I salute you Kobus and Annalise.Thank you for exposing the lies which preachers taught us through the years,religion stinks !!!.Their is fruit on your work and you are expanding..AWESOME !!!.I joined Kobus son when he laughed in the spirit,its reality !!At least their is live and not a funeral which so many churches are…dead !.BRAVO Spirit word Ministries…your Ministry speaks of Excellence.Prophet Kobus i honour you as a true Prophet and not to take notice of the religious cows…WOW !!All the blessings,success and progress to Spirit Word Ministries…and…keep on being drunk in the Spirit…its scriptural and real !!! Glory to God for Spirit Word Ministries to finally give the religious world a wake-up call.James.South Africa

    James, thank you for speaking the truth, these people really don’t know their Bible and they never experienced the work of the Holy Spirit, it is shocking to see how they misunderstand the work of God and then they dare say this terrible things about men of God. I pray that God will open their spirit eyes and ears so they can see the truth and stop attacking the real gospel

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Martie

    Would you mind showing us in the bible proof of where people got ‘drunk in the spirit’? Please? You say we don’t know our bibles, so apparently you know yours, so would you show us ALL the scriptures where people got DRUNK IN THE SPIRIT. Another guy here Anibrand/Panagiotis told us in haste that there were 53 scriptures!! But when we asked him to show us he ran away with his tail between his legs. Maybe you can show us? :)

    You see all things need to be TESTED according to 1 John 4-6 – So we want to test this ‘DRUNK IN THE SPIRIT’ to the word of God. And so far no one from the Kobus camp has been able to show us.

    Thanks

  • Smuggler

    Martie

    You wrote:

    James, thank you for speaking the truth, these people really don’t know their Bible and they never experienced the work of the Holy Spirit, it is shocking to see how they misunderstand the work of God and then they dare say this terrible things about men of God. I pray that God will open their spirit eyes and ears so they can see the truth and stop attacking the real gospel

    I notice you speak about the “work” of the Holy Spirit. Would you please explain to me what is the Work of the Holy Spirit ?

    Please supply scriptures to prove your points.

    I am a little “confused” as to what is the truth.

  • Corné

    Deborah, in your post on 1 Jan @ 7:52pm you say that we cannot refer to what happened on the Day of Penticost. Why is it then that Peter told the crowd in Acts 2:15 “For these are not drunken, as ye suppose,”? Surely they must have acted in a manner that seemed as if they were drunk otherwise Peter would not have spoken these words. Kobus Jnr might have seemed drunk to the masses just as the people that Peter defended. The crowd in Acts had no previous experience of what happened on that day and the same goes for the people who are critisizing Kobus Jnr and any other person that has been filled with the Holy Spirit. People use the term “Drunk in the Spirit” to best describe to the world the feeling you have when you submit to the Holy Spirit. You should try it some time. Will you also critisize someone and say they have consumed alcohol when they say they feel drunk in the head, meaning that they feel dizzy?

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Corne

    >> Deborah, in your post on 1 Jan @ 7:52pm you say that we cannot refer to what happened on the Day of Penticost. Why is it then that Peter told the crowd in Acts 2:15 “For these are not drunken, as ye suppose,”? Surely they must have acted in a manner that seemed as if they were drunk otherwise Peter would not have spoken these words. Kobus Jnr might have seemed drunk to the masses just as the people that Peter defended.

    Acts 2:1-15; “1 When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord[a] in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

    5 And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. 6 And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language. 7 Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, “Look, are not all these who speak Galileans? 8 And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? 9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretans and Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.” 12 So they were all amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “Whatever could this mean?”
    13 Others mocking said, “They are full of new wine.””

    14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words. 15 For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day. 16 But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel….”

    ——-
    Acts 2: 1, “And when the day of Pentecost was fully come.” There were three annual feasts of the Jews, the Passover, Pentecost, and the Feast of Tabernacles. Pentecost celebrated the beginning of their harvest. Pentecost (term found only in the New Testament, called “Feast of Harvest,” etc. Ex. 23: 16) came fifty days after the Passover; hence, pente, five or fifty.

    The apostles had been waiting for Pentecost. Jesus had told his apostles, “And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high” (Luke 24: 49). We read in Acts 1: 4 that they are in Jerusalem waiting as Jesus had told them to do. Hence, the language “day of Pentecost was fully come” is significant.

    The day of Pentecost is often called the hub of the Bible. The day of Pentecost in Acts 2 fulfilled many kingdom and salvation prophecies (cp. Joel 2: 28-32; Isa. 2: 2, 3, see Acts 2: 16-47). The apostles were baptized in the Holy Spirit to enable them to execute their commission, the full gospel was officially preached and Jesus’ last will and testament came into being, the church become a reality, and remission of sin based on Jesus’ shed blood was first experienced on the day of Pentecost.

    The day of Pentecost was the birth of Christianity. It was on this memorable day that repentance and baptism in Jesus’ name for the remission of sins was first taught and experienced (Acts 2: 38). The height of Joel’s prophesy had been “whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered” (Joel 2: 32). When those whose hearts had been pricked asked what must they do, were told, and did it, they were calling on the name of the Lord (Acts 2: 37-42). People today are thus saved in the same way by calling on Jesus’ name (Rom. 10: 13).

    The day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit came down was a once off event, they were not drunk, they had what appeared to be tongues of fire above their heads and they spoke in other tongues (EARTHLY languages) – It was never to be repeated – Not even by Kobus van Rensburg Jr – and if he claims such a thing he is a blasphemer.
    ——-

    >> People use the term “Drunk in the Spirit” to best describe to the world the feeling you have when you submit to the Holy Spirit. You should try it some time.

    You should try sometime to rightly divide the WORD OF GOD Corné. Just remember who you are playing with… God. He does not take lightly to people who make a mockery of his Son.

  • Smuggler

    Corné

    You wrote:

    … Surely they must have acted in a manner that seemed as if they were drunk otherwise Peter would not have spoken these words. Kobus Jnr might have seemed drunk to the masses just as the people that Peter defended. The crowd in Acts had no previous experience of what happened on that day and the same goes for the people who are critisizing Kobus Jnr and any other person that has been filled with the Holy Spirit. People use the term “Drunk in the Spirit” to best describe to the world the feeling you have when you submit to the Holy Spirit. You should try it some time. Will you also critisize someone and say they have consumed alcohol when they say they feel drunk in the head, meaning that they feel dizzy?

    Corne, when you submit to the Spirit there is NO feelings involved. Submission to the Spirit means that I make a conscious decision to follow the advice/prompting of the Spirit. Eg. I am driving 80 Km/p in a 60 zone and the Spirit comes and convicts me that I am speeding and this is wrong… I can now submit to the Spirit, repent and slow down. Oh yes, you can then experience guilt feelings but that is not the Spirit, it is your reaction to the conviction of the Spirit.

    Please note the following scripture:
    1Jn 2:20 And ye have an anointing from the Holy One, and ye know all the things. (ASV)
    In the King James it is as follows:
    1Jn 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. (KJV)

    The Word “unction” gives you and idea of the working of the Spirit. This is support by the Greek textual meaning which states:
    “By metonymy used of the Holy Spirit in 1 John 2:20, 27 where it signifies a method of communication and reception of the Spirit”; The Greek expository meaning then refers to John 16:13 which states:
    John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he shall guide you into all the truth: for he shall not speak from himself; but what things soever he shall hear, these shall he speak: and he shall declare unto you the things that are to come.

    (metonymy – describing something indirectly by referring to things around it- in this case reference to scripture John 16:13-14)

    Ok Corne, If I read these scriptures correctly then the Holy Spirit –
    – Is a Person
    – He is a Guide
    – Speaks to me
    – He declares/exposes things to me
    – and because of this, I gain knowledge.

    Now I must decide if I will be obedient to this knowledge. If I decide to apply this “knowledge” in my life I am submitting to the Spirit.
    This is then the Biblical submission to the Spirit.

    I do not read that it is a “feeling of drunkenness” in my head that you can “switch-on and -off”.

    The “anointing” of the Spirit is the gaining of knowledge and NOT a feeling.

    Lastly:
    If you study the Fruit of the Spirit then you will see that “self-control” is one of them.
    When you are “drunk-in-the-head” your are not in control of yourself.

  • Corné

    Deborah and Smuggler
    If you read my comment properly you will see that I referred to people who feel dizzy for some or other reason for eg. standing up too quickly or some medicine they took made them drowzy, I did not say they feel dizzy because they were filled with the Holy Spirit, people just use the term drunk in describing certain feelings, it doesn’t mean they are drunk as you think, but in any case you mis=interpret everything everybody say and I will not join in your sick accusasions anymore, I believe in God and in His Son Jesus Christ, therefore I am saved and whether I know the contents of the Bible out of my head won’t take me to heaven, but a personal relationship with Jesus will, so I would rather spend my time going to church and spending time in the presence of the Lord than sit in front of the Computer and argue about stuff that wont make me a better person. So I don’t judge anybody I leave it to God because He said if you judge others you will be judged, we must leave it to Him, He will be the judge. I would suggest you spend more time in buildin people up than breaking them down, if you were perfect you may judge others but nobody but Jesus is perfect and without sin. God bless you all and I hope you can find another topic to discuss on you website that is more uplifting. Regards Corné and Martie

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Corne

    My but you can talk nonsense. You say, “I did not say they feel dizzy because they were filled with the Holy Spirit,” what do you think being ‘DRUNK in the HOLY SPIRIT’ means? What exactly where you arguing with me about?

    So I present you with the TRUTH on why being drunk in the spirit is wrong and now you try and turn and make a run for the door.

    Look Corne, you can run from the truth, but you can’t run from Jesus Christ who is the way, the TRUTH and the life. You can’t separate Jesus Christ and the TRUTH.

  • Michael

    Exactly Debs.

    Corne…we are to discern with uttermost care, sincerity and integrity…this is not the type of judging you are so wrongly imply…indeed Jesus sternly warned the believers against this…when preachers tell blatant lies this is NEVER from God.

    But KNOW this,

    that in the last days
    perilous times will come . . .
    Evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse,
    deceiving (lying) and being deceived.”

    (2 Timothy 3:1, 13)

    The Scriptures tell us God cannot lie and He hates all lies. God says truth is non-negotiable and is fundamental to His law. In the past, liars and perjurers were held accountable and dealt with harshly and severely. Today we see lying casually accepted in the news, in the movies, and on television. Lying is now being presented as funny and harmless. This generation is unique in its reaction to liars and perjurers. This nation even lifted up and still glorifies a recent President whose most notable characteristics were flagrantly staring into a TV camera lying and deceiving … and then later being convicted of criminal perjury. This generation mocks our rules of law. This generation mocks God’s Law. As noted, telling the truth is fundamental to God’s law. In the Bible we find when a nation and its leader(s) defiantly mock, ignore, and turn their backs on God’s law, God will turn His back on that nation and will remove His protection and blessings from that people. God help us. The future of that nation and people is always very, very grim …

  • Maybe they should change their congregation name to Spirits (like in alchohol) Word Ministry

  • Smuggler

    Corne,
    you make the following Statement:

    So I don’t judge anybody I leave it to God because He said if you judge others you will be judged, we must leave it to Him, He will be the judge. I would suggest you spend more time in buildin people up than breaking them down, if you were perfect you may judge others but nobody but Jesus is perfect and without sin.

    Corne, please note that what happens on this website/blog:
    1. The fruit of the Teachers/Pastors are tested to the Bible. Why? Because we are commanded to to this (1John4:1) In the Bible is a church who did it and was commended for it by
    Jesus PERSONALLY! (Read Rev 2:2-3)
    2. Fellow believers who read this site are informed and warned of confirmed, documented false teachers.
    3. Scriptural based reasons are given showing their error. Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
    4. Where possible these “teachers” in question are contacted/confronted with this evidence. WHY? So that they may study the scriptures for themselves and discover the error and then REPENT from their wicket ways.
    2Co 7:8 For though I made you sorry with a letter, I do not repent, though I did repent: for I perceive that the same epistle hath made you sorry, though it were but for a season.
    2Co 7:9 Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.
    2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of:

    In thus manner a fellow teacher/pastor and his followers, if they repent, will have been “snatched from the fire” (Jud 1:23 Save others by snatching them from the fire.)

    If we truly LOVE out fellow believers we WILL warn them of the dangers that could cause them to stumble and could result in them going into an eternity of condemnation.

    Allow me to give you a very practical example of this concerning yourself and what you claim to be.

    Corne, You make the statement:

    “I believe in God and in His Son Jesus Christ, therefore I am saved”.

    With this statement you make it sound that it was YOU who made the decision and it is YOU that then is doing the believing and therefore YOU are saved.
    Because I am unsure of your real condition before God I will want to check if you are truly saved. Why?
    You are aware of the scripture that says:
    Pro 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

    Ok, practically applied this means that I, as a fellow believer, must ask you some tough questions to ensure that you are indeed on the RIGHT way because I do not want to see you not make it into heaven one day! Yes, we LOVE you and we are truly not doing any of this for personal gain BUT rather for YOU to gain an eternity! That is how serious this is.

    Right, here goes . . .
    Corne, Do you think that just YOU believing is enough ???

    Jas 2:19 … the devils also believe, and tremble.
    Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

    Have you been convicted of sin? Have you experienced the burden of sin and then had it lifted by God upon Him granting you repentance?

    Corne, do you understand what I am trying to do here? I want to give you the opportunity to truthfully examine yourself and make sure if you are truly in the faith. Why, because very few people do examine themselves.
    2Co 13:5 Keep examining yourselves to see whether you are continuing in the faith. Test yourselves! You know, do not you, that Jesus Christ lives in you? Could it be that you are failing the test?

    You don’t have to answer me. Just answer this to Yourself and God.
    If you get angry because if this line of questioning….
    Then you have a “problem” . . .

    See, I am not trying to accuse you but just applying Biblical principles to ensure that I will see you one day in heaven.
    AMEN !

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    A

    You quote Jeremiah 23:9 in the hopes of proving that prophets get drunk? But did you read it properly??? No, it appears no one in the Kobus camp can READ PROPERLY…

    It’s the FALSE PROPHETS who appear drunk because GOD HAS CURSED them!

    Jeremiah 23:9-14

    False Prophets and Empty Oracles

    9 My heart within me is broken
    Because of the prophets;
    All my bones shake.
    I am like a drunken man,
    And like a man whom wine has overcome,

    Because of the LORD,
    And because of His holy words.

    10 For the land is full of adulterers;
    For because of a curse the land mourns.
    The pleasant places of the wilderness are dried up.
    Their course of life is evil,
    And their might is not right.

    11 “ For both prophet and priest are profane;
    Yes, in My house I have found their wickedness,” says the LORD.
    12 “ Therefore their way shall be to them
    Like slippery ways;

    In the darkness they shall be driven on
    And fall in them;
    For I will bring disaster on them,
    The year of their punishment,” says the LORD.

    13 “ And I have seen folly in the prophets of Samaria:
    They prophesied by Baal
    And caused My people Israel to err.

    14 Also I have seen a horrible thing in the prophets of Jerusalem:
    They commit adultery and walk in lies;
    They also strengthen the hands of evildoers,
    So that no one turns back from his wickedness.
    All of them are like Sodom to Me,
    And her inhabitants like Gomorrah.

  • Aliki

    For the past week I had to be in a space where the greed, gossip and malice of humans was overwhelming. I felt debilitated and rather as if someone had hit me very hard in face. Everything that I said was twisted and the vicious attacks on me were laughable inspite of their obvious need to harm.
    Please Debs and all pray for me and my 3 beautiful children.

  • Smuggler

    Aliki

    You are not alone in your trails…

    1Pe 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:
    1Pe 4:13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ’s sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

    Aliki, We pray that you will be strengthened in your Spirit.
    We pray that you will receive the WISDOM to be able to react to these “attacks” in a Godly way.
    We pray that you will keep your Eyes on HIM and pass this testing of your faith.

    Aliki, you must be “happy” because Faith has been found in you that can be tested! If you did not have faith, there would be nothing to test!

    1Pe 1:6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, ye have been put to grief in manifold trials,
    1Pe 1:7 that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold that perisheth though it is proved by fire, may be found unto praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ:

    Further more, Remember that Jesus is also Praying/interceding for you… read again John 17 where Jesus prays for his Disciples.

    Joh 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
    Joh 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
    Joh 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
    Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

    AMEN !

  • AMANDA HERBST

    The meeting you are all talking about was not on a Sunday morning but a Saturday Night. Have one of you ever attended a Spirit Word meeting? Why dont you attend die Pastor and Leaders Conference in February.

    Than you can take notes as you go along and get everything first hand and than publish what you hear with your own ears. And off course you can listen to a whole meeting and not just clips

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    oops sunday night then – big deal

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Amanda

    Ohhhh Sunday night then….big deal. Who cares what time of the day it was. IT STILL HAPPENED.

  • AMANDA HERBST

    [delete] You lie Amanda, Tinus says it was in the Afteroon. It seems no one knows what time of the day it is there at Spirit Word Ministries.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Email from Tinus at SPIRIT WORD MINISTRIES:

    ——–
    From: Spirit Word Info
    To: Discerning the World
    Date: Wed 2012/01/18 09:40 AM

    Wow! Get drunk in the Spirit man! Or maybe you newer had this kind of joy in you? It is not drunk from drinking alcohol, ‘as you suppose’ … where have I heard this before, I wonder? … (O yes, and get your facts right – it was in the afternoon).

    Bless you. Peace.

    Tinus

    ——-

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Tinus

    There is no such thing as being drunk in the spirit. If you care you READ ALL the comments under this article you will see that ALL COMMENTS have been answered DEBUNKING the notion that one can be drunk by the Holy Spirit.

    You are left with only 2 alternatives as to what happened: 1) Kobus Jr was manifesting a FALSE spirit (which we know causes drunkedness) or 2) He was really drunk, or 3) He was acting.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Email to Tinus at SPIRIT WORD MINISTRIES

    ——
    Sent: Wed 2012/01/18 12:13 PM

    Please reply at the comments section like everyone else.

    Here is my reply to your email which is online for all to see: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2011/12/14/shocking-kobus-van-rensburgs-son-preaching-while-drunk-at-sunday-morning-service-20-nov-2011/#comment-217049

    Regards
    Deborah

    ——

  • s faurie

    Dear Doborah
    I really feel sorry for you. It means that you think that Moses is reiincarnated in you.
    Please read your Bible to understand what a false prophet is : 1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
    1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
    The only people that do not believe Jesus came in the flesh are the jews.
    Further more because of your flesh mind you wil never understand the this of the spirit. My prayer to you is that God’s love and grave will open your eyes of understanding

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    To s fourie

    >> I really feel sorry for you. It means that you think that Moses is reiincarnated in you.

    What? You must be a complete ignoramus, where on earth did you get that from ROTFL. The only one who could infest your mind to come up with something so stupid could be Satan… And how anti-semetic are you to say that only Jews believe that Jesus did not come in the Flesh. In fact Kenneth Copeland, and the whole TBN crowd does not believe Jesus came in the flesh.

    You try force me to believe in another gospel that is not found in the bible?

    Matthew 4:10 “10 Then Jesus said to him, “Begone, Satan! For it is written, ‘YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND SERVE HIM ONLY.’”

    “Begone, s Fourie For it is written, ‘YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND SERVE HIM ONLY.” not Kobus van Rensburg a FALSE PROPHET.

  • Thomas

    Kobus jnr was NOT drunk. I was in the church that evening. I found the sermon slightly strange, but there was certainly no hint that he was drunk.

  • uRsoWrong

    [deleted – Yes You are so Wrong – go insult someone who cares for your cult leader]

  • shirlene

    [deleted – don’t threaten me]

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Thomas

    Your found it strange? Is there anything in the bible that is ever strange? Does the bible not tell us to be of a sober mind?

    I hope you don’t go back.

  • quest

    What is the point in following after each other? When we follow after man, we are bound to be led astray. We are all still in this flesh body which can still cause any one of us carrying it around to fall into sin. The truth can only be found in the word of God. We are to study to show ourselves approved, and we have the anointing of the Holy Spirit to teach us-we don’t need any man to do so.

    If we follow God and His word, we will know what He wants us to do. If we are obedient children, we will do what
    He tells us.

    Pretty simple I think?

  • Vanessa

    He’s not drunk as ye suppose, he’s just drunk in the spirit . You dont need alcohol , you just need the true spirit of the lord. What joy!!!!

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Vanessa

    There is no such thing as being ‘drunk in the spirit’ either – it’s demonic. PLEASE read this article: The Biblical Holy Spirit vs.The False Unholy Spirit of Fire

  • Robbie

    Hi Debs

    A little misfortune (I call it intervention) hits Lofdal.
    I mailed you.
    “lofdal struck by lightning”

  • Faith

    I only have one comment guys and feel that all miss the big picture of serving the Lord Jesus Christ, is it then not written that we are to rebuke a Christian when he/she misleads God’s children but in the same we are not the judges of man? Come on guys, let’s stop judging one another and do as our Father in heaven wants us to do.. Love one another and forgive those who hurt us. All judgment belongs to God and God alone, he who judges another will be held liable for his/her own judgment as well. If you truly want the truth of the ministry to be revealed on a national scale, pray that God forgive them and reveal all secrets so that other followers of Christ may be made aware so that their lives may at least be spared. All the glory to God alone!! Amen

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Faith

    >> is it then not written that we are to rebuke a Christian when he/she misleads God’s children but in the same we are not the judges of man? Come on guys, let’s stop judging one another and do as our Father in heaven wants us to do..

    WE ARE NOT JUDGING HIM! Do you see anyone on this website sending him to hell? No Faith, only God can do that! So Faith, catch a wake up!

    We are doing what is biblical correct by MARKING HIM and pointing him out as a FALSE TEACHER to SAVE other people from impending destruction. If at any time the Kobus family decides to repent to JESUS CHRIST they can. But until such time we will WARN everyone about them.

  • Wildie

    You can’t comment on something you heared and did not experience for yourself or did not watch the broadcast. If you did you would have seen that these people where filled with the Holy Ghost just as in the days of acts. Maybe we must focus on God and Jesus and expierence more of Them before we comment on something somebody said or just took a clip and made it into a negative.
    Search your own hearts before you comment on something you have seen or does not know what has happend, do yourself the favour and order that service and see for yourselfs.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Wildie

    >> You can’t comment on something you heared and did not experience for yourself

      I do not need to jump into a fire to know if I am going to get burnt or not.

    >> If you did you would have seen that these people where filled with the Holy Ghost just as in the days of acts.

      Wrong what Kobus Jr was going was NOTHING like Acts, his was a demonic manifestation because 1) the people in Acts were filled with the Holy Spirit did not ACT DRUNK, 2) they had little tongues of fire appear above their heads, 3) and in fact it was the outsides looking in who thought the people were drunk 4) because the could not understand the different earthly LANGUAGES they were speaking.

    >> Maybe we must focus on God and Jesus and experience more of Them before we comment on something somebody said or just took a clip and made it into a negative.

      Maybe you need to read your bible and TEST THE SPIRITS (1 John 4:1-6) as God commands you too, test these experiences to see if they are truly from God or ANOTHER filthy spirit.

    >> Search your own hearts before you comment on something you have seen or does not know what has happened, do yourself the favour and order that service and see for yourselves.

      Search your bible Wildie, I know the Word of God better than you and I am happy to say I do because I study to show myself approved unto God. I do not go by feelings, or emotions or happy clappy moments, signs, wonders or visions etc. I go by what the Bible says and the Bible says The Kobus van Rensburg family preach a false gospel and manifest demonic manifestations like being drunk in the spirit.

    Prove me wrong by using scripture…

  • Ezekiel Patrick

    [deleted]

  • Martin Horan

    I’d say that this van Rensburg was drunk in the spirit. I just don’t know if the spirit was whisky, brandy, vodka, rum or what. Maybe it was a mixture of all of them.

  • Cornelius

    [deleted – insults not tolerated – please use scripture to back up your claims as to why Kobus van Rensburg is a true prophet of God when it is clear from scripture that he is not, see here for ALL articles on Kobus with scripture: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/category/k/kobus-van-rensburg-spirit-word-ministries/%5D

  • Cornelius

    [deleted – insults not tolerated – please use scripture to back up your claims as to why Kobus van Rensburg is a true prophet of God when it is clear from scripture that he is not, see here for ALL articles on Kobus with scripture: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/category/k/kobus-van-rensburg-spirit-word-ministries/%5D

  • Lynette Koekemoer

    It is right Deborah if you want to warn people but I would like to know did you peronally go to the van Rensburg family warning them about what they are doing wrong acording to you. The Bible also say you go the people and if they dont listen you take the eldet with you and reprmand them did you follow those steps then you are right but then I also want to know what would God do because God lives in you and all the other people on earth it only depend do we acept God to be one no in our lives because his holy spirt will tell you that you doing the wrong thing. So pray for Kobus and his family if you think they are doing wrong and GOD will make changes

  • Redeemed

    Lynette, you are misapplying Matthew 18. That applies to personal relationships and church family matters. Different rules apply to public ministries and since we are in the electronic age, most every ministry is public and extends far beyond the walls of the church building.

    I can tell you that many watchpersons have written to many public ministries with their concerns and never even get a response. Then if the watchperson is in one country or state at a distance, they cannot take someone and go and speak to the individual in person.

    Public ministries need to be exposed publicly.

  • Robbie

    Lynette

    And then of course you could always convey the message to him and do your part.
    That is if you are a “watchperson” (I like :-))

  • Harm

    [delete – name calling like calling born us ‘religious cows’ for speaking out against false teaching is just not right]

  • Robbie

    :-)…
    I am thee bull!
    I will contact you Debs. Hope you are ok.
    I will be in your area thursday

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Yayyyyyy!

  • Johann

    [delete]

  • Johann

    [delete]

  • Johann

    [Delete]

  • Johann

    [Deleted – I’ve prayed for Kobus enough, but it’s upto Kobus to listen – many people have shown him the error of his ways and prayed for him to change, but if kobus does not want to change then that is not a fault on our part, or a lack of faith on our part, no, it means Kobus’s hates the truth and wants nothing to do with Jesus Christ and His Gospel. Maybe one day his eyes will be opened to the truth, and this I pray for, but for now, I will continue to WARN OTHERS ABOUT HIM.]

  • eabode

    Why don’t you play the whole video lets see where it began from instead of playing six minutes of the video…

  • SAMKE GLORY WORDLIGHT

    SAMKE GLORY WORDLIGHT

    LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT SPIRIT WORD MINISTRIES

  • SAMKE GLORY WORDLIGHT

    I suppose you love the devil as well?

  • ali

    PEOPLE!!!! REALLY!!!! He was “drunk” in the HOLY SPIRIT!!!! and not physically drunk.
    STOP JUDGING.
    Media will take any headline and change it for their benefit.

    The most amaz

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    ali

    REALLY!! He was not “drunk” in the Holy Spirit, but by a demonic spirit. No where in the bible did anyone ever get drunk in the spirit. And if it’s not a demon then he is really drunk.

    STOP JUDGING us for speaking the truth.

  • Eunice

    hi
    i only ask that we keep praying and contending for the faith.
    i just heard of Kobus today and decided to google him. thank God this is a Christian forum. please;
    let the insults cease
    let the Word be studied
    let the truth be proclaimed.

    many abound who rise and work all sorts. many of such are undiscovered, yet, they spread their beliefs
    let our lights so shine before men…
    and keep praying that the truth brought to us by Jesus Christ be not snatched from us whether by real/true or fake men. He is our only true/genuine model… undisputable.
    this truth, John3:16.

  • Jon

    It is really astonishing how people keep on defending Kobus van Rensburg. This is the gospel Kobus van Rensburg jnr. is preaching: ” Spirit Word Ministries stands for the gospel, we preach the good news. Christ came that we can live richly and healthy…Koos jnr” . This was Kobus van Rensburg jnr Facebook entry on February 15, 2014, i have the screen print for those who don’t believe me. When I read the vicious comments aimed at the author of this article, it is frightening to see the lack of biblical discernment.

    There is a bunch of these so called “prophets” and “apostles” with a large following in South Africa. Very dangerous teachings. Guys like Leon du Preez and Gebhardt Berndt is gaining almost a cult like following in South Africa. I recently commented on Leon du Preez’s facebook page about his blatantly false utterances, the attacks and comments I received from his followers were very similar to comments received by the author of this article. Leon du Preez and Gebhardt Berndt is now hosting the “School of the Supernatural” course at the Hatfield Christian Church in Pretoria. They have modules on the subject the works.

    The troubling thing is I have close friends and family caught up in these cults of Kobus van Rensburg, Leon du Preez and the likes. Lost some dear friends because I warned them against these guys and their teachings.

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