At Boshoff from CRC Church shows us how Pharisees went about ‘Honoring’ God

At BoshoffThe recent invitation to debate sent to Mr. At Boshoff by Dion Knoesen was as a result of the below notice sent out by CRC, to their members and undersigned by Mr. Boshoff.

This notice was dated 16 November 2010 with the Subject: “Honour God”

We wish to state the reason for the intended debate with Mr. Boshoff.  We hope to either persuade Mr. Boshoff to give heed to proper rendering of the Scriptures for his own benefit and also to benefit those who are under his shepherding.

1Ti 4:16    Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

On the CRC website it s mentioned that Mr. Boshoff studied at “A Bible College” for three years fulltime. Unfortunately no name is given to this Bible College.

In the last paragraph on this webpage the it says the following:

“He has been described as focussed, passionate and fervent in his hunger for the Word of God and explosive in his dynamic teaching of it. His positively dynamic and practical messages are equaled in their refreshing relevancy to their bold authenticity and doctrinal accuracy. “

When looking exegetically into his notice “Honour God” we have to question his “authenticity and doctrinal accuracy.”

For informative purposes the quoted Scriptures by Mr. Boshoff is discussed below in RED

As Paul wrote:

Php 1:9 And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment;

Php 1:10 That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ;


Email sent out from CRC Church to it’s congregation:

 width=From: CRC Christian Church
Sent: 16 November 2010 01:00 PM

Honour God

“Money is the answer to all things.” Ecc 10:19

The two most important books in your life are the Bible and your cheque “book”. The Bible is the revelation of God’s love for us and our cheque book is the revelation of our love for God.

In Joshua 7 we read about the only place where Israel failed when they crossed into the Promised Land. The only place where Israel suffered defeat because they tampered with the gold and silver (the devoted things) that belonged to God.

Your tithe is Holy to God. Lev 27:30. There are two principles that dominate throughout the Old and New Testament: First fruits get given first and; seed time and harvest. It is God’s purpose that should drive us to give.

In Acts 5 we read about Ananias and Sapphira that financially stood in the way of God’s purpose and suffered great calamity. God does not curse you; your actions open your life to either failure or success.

Does Jesus endorse tithing? Of course He does. In both Matt 23:23 and Luke 11:42; Jesus says that tithing should be the most basic thing. When you tithe you shouldn’t even see that 10 percent. It’s God’s. Also we read in Heb 7 that tithing was before the law. It was a part of the Abrahamic covenant that still exists and is fulfilled in Jesus. He tithed to Malchizedek (high priest) 430 years before before Moses came with the law.

Your allegiance, your tithe, should be given to the church where you are planted. Mal 3 speaks about the coming of Jesus and actually the Holy Spirit. In this we see that we should bring the tithe to the “storehouse” which is your church. Give to God what is God’s. It is God who should be honoured first because He is the source of all your income. Matt 22:17-21

We work to build the kingdom of God, we shouldn’t work to meet our own needs. People can frustrate the work of God by withholding resources. Let’s evaluate ourselves and rectify places where maybe we’ve neglected to honour God with our finances. If you start today it is never too late.

This past week-end we saw 470 people giving their lives to Jesus. We are here to possess the Promised Land. Thank you to every one of you for working hard throughout the year and inviting your world to CRC.

We had a fantastic harvest event in Cape Town last week. We saw the entire auditorium filled to the max. Ps. Aidan and Sharon are doing a great work in that city. I believe many good things are still heading our way in Cape Town.

They have begun to lay the foundations for the Pretoria Building Project. We are so excited to see how things come together as we follow the instructions of God. As we are now in the time when we have to pay the contractors large sums of money every month, I urge you to give the money you pledged or whatever extra the Holy Spirit lays on your heart.

If you still want to contribute please e-mail finance[at]crc.org.za

The Kids’ Party is only a week away. Please take part in this as we are going to make the day special for over 15 000 underprivileged children. If you would like to volunteer or make a donation please contact 051-xxx xxxx.

Be Blessed,

At Boshoff


A Critique on how to “Honor God” written by At Boshoff – Critique notes in red

“Money is the answer to all things.” Ecc 10:19 (Undersigned by At Boshoff)

[Note:   It is utterly disappointing to notice that Eccl. 10:19 is cited and interpreted in the way At Boshoff has done so in his notice to the congregation at CRC.

When reading what King Solomon wrote in the book of Ecclesiastes the basic understanding and proper rendering of the Scripture quoted is in fact quite the opposite, as indicated here by Mr. Boshoff.

The passage in context from the first verse (In fact the first chapter of Ecclesiastes) has to do with what the foolish do and the evils resulting from their actions in this world, which also includes verse 10.

Solomon’s message is one of vanity to all that are under the sun, which includes “Money is the answer to all things” What Solomon actually means in writing this is that man’s trust in money which according to man answers all things, is vanity. Their trust and security should be in God and not in money.

It is vanity of fools who rely on their money for all things instead of God.

Psa 62:8  Trust in him at all times; ye people, pour out your heart before him: God is a refuge for us. Selah.

Psa 62:9 Surely men of low degree are vanity, and men of high degree are a lie: to be laid in the balance, they are altogether lighter than vanity.

Psa 62:10  Trust not in oppression, and become not vain in robbery: if riches increase, set not your heart upon them.

Psa 62:11  God hath spoken once; twice have I heard this; that power belongeth unto God.

Mar 10:24  And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!

1Ti 6:17  Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;

1Ti 6:18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;

1Ti 6:19  Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life

Why do so many pastors not put their faith in God but rather exploit the people, after all they are always accusing those who do not have money as being without faith – yet when they need the money they rely on the people instead of their faith??

The Bible does not teach that money should not be used to preach the Gospel and to support brethren (not organisations) in the body of Christ – it is very obvious that mammon should be befriended for this purpose.

But to contort Scripture in this manner shows doctrinal ignorance – hopefully – that rather done so on purpose.]

The two most important books in your life are the Bible and your cheque “book”. The Bible is the revelation of God’s love for us and our cheque book is the revelation of our love for God. (Undersigned by At Boshoff)

[Note:  Where is this revelation in the Bible, that our cheque book is the revelation of our love for God??

The revelation I find is that our love for the Lord Jesus, is to keep His commandments not the love of filthy lucre. Our love is manifested in our obedience to Him, our trust in Him alone not in mammon and riches.

There are only two important books and that is the Bible and having your name written in the Book of Life.]

In Joshua 7 we read about the only place where Israel failed when they crossed into the Promised Land. The only place where Israel suffered defeat because they tampered with the gold and silver (the devoted things) that belonged to God. (Undersigned by At Boshoff)

[Note:  Ouch!!! First of all it was not Israel who “tampered with the gold and silver” but one man named Achan the son of Camri who had stolen some of the spoils of looted booty of Jericho. (This also had nothing to do with his own money, silver or gold or any of his personal belongings which is referred to here Mr. Boshoff in quoting Joshua 7 for gaining money from New Testament congregants.)

Yes, Israel as a corporate entity was punished as result of the theft by Achan, but it had absolutely nothing to do with the personal wealth individuals were given by God, which were then somehow to the interpretation of this part of Scripture withheld from God.

Firstly this was in disobedience to God, because God placed a ban on personal gain from the looted goods.

Secondly theft was the cause of the punishment – taking things not given to you by God.

Thirdly it was the covetousness of Achan that was addressed in the punishment. Covetousness is what God warns us against throughout the Scriptures.

A reminder: The Bible does not teach that money should not be used to preach the Gospel and to support brethren (not organisations) in the body of Christ – it is very obvious that mammon should be befriended for this purpose.

But to contort Scripture in this manner shows doctrinal ignorance – hopefully – that rather done so on purpose.

To be under the shepherding of someone who does not understand context and doctrine or does understand context and twists it out of context, is not promoted by Scripture:

1Ti 4:16  Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.]

Your tithe is Holy to God. Lev 27:30. There are two principles that dominate throughout the Old and New Testament: First fruits get given first and; seed time and harvest. It is God’s purpose that should drive us to give. (Undersigned by At Boshoff)

[Note:  Some more doctrines lacking regarding the tithe very applicable to the Old Testament. Using this one verse for the purpose of tithing is not sufficient and there were many tithing’s applicable not just one. To understand this tithe there were basically 4 types of tithing in the Old Testament ONLY

a) The tithe to the Levites. Deut.14: 27.

The Levites were the “government” of Israel and due to them not having a share in the land allocated to the rest of the tribes, those allocated land were to use of their produce to give to the Levites.

b) The tithe of the Levites to the Zadokites. Neh.10: 38.

Now this is where Malachi is used to place unnecessary burdens on believers today.

First of all, tithings were purely laws given in the Torah or Old Testament. So commanding and condemning people to tithe today by quoting Malachi 10, is basically going back to the Torah or the Law, putting congregants back under the law.

Secondly the Scriptures used below to state that Jesus endorses tithing are totally out of context with regard to tithing and God’s Word in fact it refers to this as works by the Pharisees to justify themselves, something God loathes. In Fact God says woe to them that tithe! – will explain when we discuss these passages.

Thirdly when Malachi 3:10 is read and understood in context it refers to the tithe in a) above, the tithe in Deut 14:27 which was received from the tribes and given to the Levites. The Levites in turn were to skim off a tithe from this tithe (Neh10:38) to give to the priests attending to temple duties. So it was the Levites who were robbing God not the people.

It is interesting when reading the “Works Of Josephus” the Sadducees were the rich of the day who were using the tithes to enrich themselves. Josephus admits to this as he himself was a Sadducee.

Historically it is proven that the Sadducees were extremely rich due to the financial contributions by ordinary people who were forced to pay tribute.

There is no new thing under the son. Today’s Sadducees and Pharisees apply the same rule. The flock enriches them as result of their own rendering and contortions of Scripture.

The clergy were robbing God of tithes not the people, hence the rebuke to them in Malachi 10.

Have any of the Malachi 10 promoters ever read the following to any of their congregations?

Mic 3:10 They build up Zion with blood, and Jerusalem with iniquity.

Mic 3:11  The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the LORD, and say, Is not the LORD among us? none evil can come upon us.

Mic 3:12  Therefore shall Zion for your sake be plowed as a field, and Jerusalem shall become heaps, and the mountain of the house as the high places of the forest.

The third type of tithe:

c) The tithe toward the annual Holy Days. Deut. 14: 22 – 26.

3 Times a year the Israelites were to attend Holy Feasts at Jerusalem and for this they needed to set aside a tithe of their harvests etc. If they were too far from Jerusalem they could sell the targeted tithed articles and turn it into money. This they would spend upon themselves and the Levites once they arrive in Jerusalem.

d) The tithe to the less fortunate. Deut.14: 28 – 29.

This is also a tithe to obviously assist the needy in the Old Testament.

Although a tithe in the New Testament is never mentioned in this regard there are many Scriptures which clearly say that the needy ought to be cared for.

When one searches for the word “Tithe” in the New Testament there are  two references one in Matt. 23:23 and the other in Luke 11:42 which notably is quoted by Mr. Boshoff and will be discussed.]

In Acts 5 we read about Ananias and Sapphira that financially stood in the way of God’s purpose and suffered great calamity. God does not curse you; your actions open your life to either failure or success. (Undersigned by At Boshoff)

[Note:  Who is man that he is able to stand in the way of God’s purpose? Is God dependant on man?

Psa 8:3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;

Psa 8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?

It is agreeable that one’s actions open you to success or failure, but to use Acts 5 as yardstick for failure and success is totally out of context.

I know of many people struggling financially who humbly adores God and has extreme credence in the Lord Jesus, but who realize that their own actions caused their calamity. Those being poor and suffering financially in this life without rejecting the Lord Jesus who are willing to endure to the end will be first in the Kingdom.

Although there are certain quotations by the MHCC I do not fully agree with the MHCC renders the following understanding with regard to Ananias and Sapphira which I could not have worded better:

The sin of Ananias and Sapphira was, that they were ambitious of being thought eminent disciples, when they were not true disciples. Hypocrites may deny themselves, may forego their worldly advantage in one instance, with a prospect of finding their account in something else. They were covetous of the wealth of the world, and distrustful of God and his providence. They thought they might serve both God and mammon. They thought to deceive the apostles. The Spirit of God in Peter discerned the principle of unbelief reigning in the heart of Ananias. But whatever Satan might suggest, he could not have filled the heart of Ananias with this wickedness had he not been consenting. The falsehood was an attempt to deceive the Spirit of truth, who so manifestly spoke and acted by the apostles. The crime of Ananias was not his retaining part of the price of the land; he might have kept it all, had he pleased; but his endeavouring to impose upon the apostles with an awful lie, from a desire to make a vain show, joined with covetousness. But if we think to put a cheat upon God, we shall put a fatal cheat upon our own souls. How sad to see those relations who should quicken one another to that which is good, hardening one another in that which is evil! And this punishment was in reality mercy to vast numbers. It would cause strict self-examination, prayer, and dread of hypocrisy, covetousness, and vain-glory, and it should still do so. It would prevent the increase of false professors. Let us learn hence how hateful falsehood is to the God of truth, and not only shun a direct lie, but all advantages from the use of doubtful expressions, and double meaning in our speech.]

Does Jesus endorse tithing? Of course He does. In both Matt 23:23 and Luke 11:42; Jesus says that tithing should be the most basic thing. When you tithe you shouldn’t even see that 10 percent. It’s God’s. Also we read in Heb 7 that tithing was before the law. It was a part of the Abrahamic covenant that still exists and is fulfilled in Jesus. He tithed to Malchizedek (high priest) 430 years before before Moses came with the law. (Undersigned by At Boshoff)

[Note:  Is Mr. Boshoff rightfully dividing the Word here?

To understand Matthew 23:23 effectively one needs to read from verse 1!

These were the Words of the Lord Jesus Himself. The Lord Jesus was warning against the Pharisees and rebuked them for putting credence or weight to their tithes. The Lord Jesus says in Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

The Lord Jesus most certainly does not say that tithing is the most basic thing in this Scripture. In fact He says woe to those that tithe and ignore the important things that God wants. The Lord Jesus in fact says that it is NOT the most basic thing. He says the “weightier” matters are more basic than the tithe.

Luke 11:42 Again out of context and basically the same rebuke goes out to the Pharisees who promoted and relied on tithing as the basic thing at the time of the Temple in Jerusalem.

I do not find: “Jesus says that tithing should be the most basic thing” What I do find is another rebuke to the Pharisees and Scribes who felt very secure in basic tithing: Luk 11:42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! For ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

What I have found in CRC when I used to go there was that they were promoting security in tithing, but the more important and weightier matters such as keeping the Lords commandments in our love for Him, I personally never heard in any sermon by Mr. Boshoff.

Is this not precisely why the Lord Jesus in His Word rebukes the Pharisees?

In Matthew 23:23 and Luke 11:42 the focus is more on the “weightier” matters than the tithe.

A very repetitive part of Scripture used by Mr. Boshoff is Hebrews 7

Gen: 14:18: And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the highest God.

Gen: 14:19: And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:

Gen: 14:20: And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand.  And he gave him tithes of all.

This is to “prove” that tithing was established before the time of Moses, the Torah or law and that tithes have to be given to the priest. To find out what the Melchizedek tithe meant one has to not only read this passage, but also read on to verses 22 & 23.

From verse 18 – 20 it is clear that this was not Abraham’s belongings which were tithed, but rather the booty or loot he had gathered from conquering the enemy.

Gen:14:22: And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,

Gen: 14:23: That I will not take from a thread even to a shoe latchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:

Although he gave away 10% of the booty, he stated that he did not even want any of it, because it was not his.

It is also interesting to note that this was a ONCE OFF event, which never took place again.

Ninety percent and more of Scripture quoted for the purposes of pleading for tithes are taken out of context today. God says let few be teachers, because those teachers teaching the flock will be held accountable for what they teach.

A reminder: The Bible does not teach that money should not be used to preach the Gospel and to support brethren (not organisations) in the body of Christ – it is very obvious that mammon should be befriended for this purpose.

But to contort Scripture in this manner shows doctrinal ignorance – hopefully – that rather done so on purpose.

James:3:1: My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.]

Your allegiance, your tithe, should be given to the church where you are planted. Mal 3 speaks about the coming of Jesus and actually the Holy Spirit. In this we see that we should bring the tithe to the “storehouse” which is your church. Give to God what is God’s. It is God who should be honoured first because He is the source of all your income. Matt 22:17-21 (Undersigned by At Boshoff)

[Note:  Reading Mal 10 from verse 1 rather suggests that the audience addressed by God were the priests as already discussed. The “storehouse” is definitely not the New Testament church. The New Testament church is the bride of Christ and not a building built with brick and mortar.]

We work to build the kingdom of God, we shouldn’t work to meet our own needs. People can frustrate the work of God by withholding resources. Let’s evaluate ourselves and rectify places where maybe we’ve neglected to honour God with our finances. If you start today it is never too late.

[Note:  The Lord Jesus calls for heed to doctrine rather than finances and I do hope that Mr. Boshoff would rather be obedient to the Lord in the weightier matters.]

This past week-end we saw 470 people giving their lives to Jesus. We are here to possess the Promised Land. Thank you to every one of you for working hard throughout the year and inviting your world to CRC.

[Note:  Figures do not impress God. One such an example is: Exo 23:2 Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil; neither shalt thou speak in a cause to decline after many to wrest judgment:

Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

The quote Mr. Boshoff uses in Matthew 23 was discussed already and to conclude, using this verse as a basis for endorsing tithing is basically in support of what the Pharisees promoted – That Mr. Boshoff is teaching here and to the congregation is absolutely the same what the Pharisees were doing.

What is important however and of grave concern, are the proselytes made by CRC. This is also found in Matthew 23 the chapter in which the verse occurs that Mr. Boshoff uses to preach the diametric opposite to what the Lord Jesus says in this chapter: Mat 23:15  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Mat 23:16  Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!

Mat 23:17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?]

We had a fantastic harvest event in Cape Town last week. We saw the entire auditorium filled to the max. Ps. Aidan and Sharon are doing a great work in that city. I believe many good things are still heading our way in Cape Town.

[Note:  I suppose it is not worth mentioning all those pastors and lay persons who have left CRC and would like to see Mr. Boshoff repent of his ways.]

They have begun to lay the foundations for the Pretoria Building Project. We are so excited to see how things come together as we follow the instructions of God. As we are now in the time when we have to pay the contractors large sums of money every month, I urge you to give the money you pledged or whatever extra the Holy Spirit lays on your heart.

If you still want to contribute please e-mail finance@crc.org.za

The Kids’ Party is only a week away. Please take part in this as we are going
to make the day special for over 15 000 underprivileged children. If you would like to volunteer or make a donation please contact 051-525 2883.

[Note:  It is agreeable that feeding under privileged Children is a very good work, yet the concern remains what these poor children are being fed spiritually when such doctrine as discussed here is being preached.

Hitler once said that if the hearts of the children are won, the next generation will be won.

It is also fact the “Church” of Rome has built a multitude of schools and hospitals and proclaims ex-Cathedra that winning the minds of children before age 7 will ensure that they will be won permanently for the Mother “Church”.  I see the same happening at CRC so feeding children is an outward appearance coaxing them into a greater deception of being taught wrong doctrine

Remember what James wrote; if the correct faith is dead the works mean nothing.

It is the correct doctrine that will ensure the correct faith – this is why the works may be more detrimental to the children in the longer term.]

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  1. osito says:

    “Money is the answer to all things.” Ecc 10:19. (They make a feast for laughter, and wine makes life merry, and money is the answer to everything. I gave my best to work out this phrase and for me it is, that this massage is sarcastic. The “and” part in the sentence, dis soos om iemand te andwoord, en n piesang boom dra appels. Sarcastic. The sentence in this letter starts without the “and”, why? And wine might make life merry yes, but i think it tells you in sarcastic that it will not bring you anywhere. I only quote this if this letter is for real from crc.

  2. Brit says:

    Mo wrote:

    Hi, I found that this is the only web that expose the wrongs in CRC and its teaching as far as I know. I live in London, UK. Someone I know goes to CRC London. At that time, we were friends (not anymore, sadly)and challenged him with what I found ‘questionable’. He took it serious in the first place but later on seemed to judge that I was just dividing the body of Christ. The church is big and lots of young people (20-30s). The worship music was just like a ‘gig’. They rent a cinema in a dome for Sunday service. Nobody around me was opening the Bible (it was so dark so you cannot read the Bible anyway because it is cinema). I accessed to their sermons. It is not entirely wrong but there is hardly any explanation of context of the bible they are talking about. I can smell ‘word faith theology’ here and there. As almost no context, I am confused what this preacher wanted to say from the scriptures. They focus on the number of people (the physical size of the church) under the banner of ‘reach the lost at any cost’. But I wonder if they really come to the Lord with genuine understanding of the salvation (not just being saved from financial or relational problems). I just don’t understand including this guy, why so many 20-30, even 40 single Christian people are attracted to this church regardless of such a poor teaching. I posted my honest comment of confusion on their sermon online, they always immediately put a comment like ‘this preaching is life changing’ or ‘awesome preaching’ with many stars to rate higher….but again, no explanation or comment how awesome from the Bible what so ever……..I just want to ask you guys….why so many young people are attracted to such a church based on a wrong / poor teaching??? I now they say like ‘dream big because God is big’ or ‘be positive to get your life positive and successful’. Sounds it is not entirely wrong, but living in this end time, ‘success’ is not physical…..You may not get promoted, you may lose things that you used to afford but He takes us to the spiritual place where we couldn’t see in the life surrounded by stuff. Am I wrong? I wanted to see more sermons in this church but there is no public access to the teaching resources unless you register to this church…..I don’t understand why they do this, though……anyway, I smell something fishy from this church but no one says anything and seems very attractive to those young professionals. Is this the same in South Africa?

    I think the people in CRC London are simply brainwashed that the devil is outside their church and will attack them if they ever leave. They love the friendships also in that place. They are like family.

  3. Brit says:

    Hey guys here is one of the sermons of CRC London. I need your comments please. https://vimeo.com/channels/thabomarais/99448963

  4. Brit

    I will have a look, gimme some time.

  5. Brit says:

    Ok. Thanks

  6. osito says:

    I was so mad today, still kind of is. I put my trust in one of crc s pastors to answer some of my questions and ask him to keep this confidential and not to tell anyone that i am asking him questions. He told me he will not tell anyone he will keep it just between me and him. And today he just led it out to my ex wife.
    He calls himself a pastor and betrayed me.
    For me this is one of the worst things you can do to someone, and that from a pastor. I really feel sorry for the people in that church that put all their trust in crc s pastor!!

  7. osito

    Why did you go to a CRC pastor of all pastors and ask him questions? Should it not have been obvious to you that the person would not keep your questions silent? The man is a false preacher first and foremost which means second he is not going to be truthful or reliable.

  8. GetALife says:

    Hi Guys…I have not seen anything of this sort before. Never seen “Christians” bad mouth another in such a way. Not sure what everyone is on about when it comes to money…I had the privilege listening to one of my heroes in the ministry, Ps. Tommy Barnett.

    A man serving for over 60 years in the ministry personally said, you need money to do things for Gods kingdom. You can pray till you blue, but the people who open their pockets “cheque books” are filling hungry stomachs, building a dream center for the homeless, drug addicts, etc…Unfortunately the government does not do this, the church has to. How do you guys propose this be done without a cheque book?

    I suggest to stop gossiping and start spreading the good news…this is by no means good news!

  9. GetALife wrote;

    A man serving for over 60 years in the ministry personally said, you need money to do things for Gods kingdom

    Rubbish!

    After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come. Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly is great, but the labourers are few: pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he would send forth labourers into his harvest. Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves. Carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes: and salute no man by the way. (Luke 10:1-4).

    And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. (Luke 22:35).

    No, they are not filling the poor’s stomachs. They are filling their own pockets and purchasing huge mansions, the biggest cars and jets etc. to enrich themselves.

    But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. (2 Pe 2:1-3)

    Wake up, they are stealing your money.

    Joyce Meyer endorses Tommy Barenett which tells it all. Do you also believe you are sinless, a god with a little “g” and that Jesus went to hell where He was tortured for three days and three nights to secure man’s salvation? If you do, you’re on the wrong track. Get off and come back to Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God, who does not teach you how to accomplish your dreams in half an hour but makes you a totally new creation. That’s the Good News and not the garbage Tommy Barnett and Joyce Meyer teach.

    Are you saved?

    .

  10. Robbie says:

    When the Calling becomes a career.
    I agree… Rubbish!

  11. Boity says:

    lol Thomas..how is a church building a place like dream center filling pastors pockets? i mean people at dream center dont pay a dime for their stay there and the food they get there…or do you maybe suppose it’s all just a manna from heaven? you sound mad at the world and super offended….God so help you with all that bitterness in you….you quote the Bible left right and center butu still not getting what it’s all about….

  12. Boity

    CRC is a false church, preaching a false gospel. The pastor runs it like a business. Most money goes to line his pockets, the rest he of course uses to carry on building his empire. Just because dream centre pays for people to stay there and for food does not mean the money that is used to run the place was acquired by biblical means! Fleecing your congregation for money day in and day out it not biblical, comprende?

  13. Boity says:

    Deborah
    i respect everyone…what they are about in life isnt any of my business…but if At, Tommy Barnett and them are doing something positive to impact and change the world for the better..then their “wrongs” i dont care about. God will be the judge, if like you guys are say their doctrine is false, since they know the Word.

    and one question Debs.. you know we Christians, to many that aren’t saved yet, we are a “walking bible”…the life we lead and things we say are sometimes just what they need to hear to get to a point where they say they want to know this Jesus we serve for themselves…but if we Christians talk like this about other Christians…how is that helping one who is at the moment reluctant about being a follower of Jesus?…i need clarity on that please

  14. Boity wrote:

    i respect everyone…what they are about in life isnt any of my business.

    Your very first sentence reveals what you think of Jesus Christ and his Gospel. Nowhere in the entire Bible are we told that Christians should not make it their business when others are deceived and led astray by false teachers and their false doctrines. I can quote you many passages in Scripture that command us to make it our business. In fact, if you do not make it your business you probably are not saved and do not love Jesus Christ, his Gospel and your fellowmen.

    Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. (James 5:19-20)

    Nowhere in the entire Bible are we taught to do “something positive to impact the world for the better.” It again reveals your ignorace in regard to Jesus Christ’s mission to the world. He did not come to make a positive contribution to the world and to make it a better place. He came to seek and to save lost sinners (Luke 19:10). That means that He came to translate us out of the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of his Son (Colossians 1:13). The devil is still the god of this world and neither you nor At Boshoff or Tommy Barnett can change it into something better. The sooner you realize this, the better for you.

    Are you saved?

  15. Boity says:

    [deleted by DTW – it’s clear you are not a Christian, a genuine Christian does not speak like that. Thomas is the other owner of this blog he has every right to question you. But we will no more allow your comments on this blog.]

  16. Boity says:

    Isn’t then it your responsibility to transform ‘non-Christians” like myself to genuine Christians?

  17. Boity

    >> Isn’t then it your responsibility to transform ‘non-Christians” like myself to genuine Christians?

    No that is your responsibility to go to Jesus Christ and genuinely accept Him as your saviour. We can’t do that for you. We do however dust our feet off.

    Matthew 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

  18. Brit says:

    I have friends completely brainwashed in da sect #crclondon that mr Thabo Marais is preaching “100 the truth” – its scary out there. He is a walking truth – you cant imagine. And everyone with “opinion” is from the devil. Please tell me your opinions for this so called “sermon” https://vimeo.com/channels/thabomarais/96838942

  19. Hi Brit

    I started to watch the sermon and got to 13 minutes and I ran out of bandwidth 🙁 Unfortunately I am limited at the moment when it comes to bandwidth and struggle to watch videos. Can you tell me what it is that troubles you about this sermon?

  20. Brit,

    One of Thabo Marais’ obvious errors is his effort to associate Matthew 6:19-21 with the CRC church. If the CRC is your treasure, he says, your heart and your finances will be in the CRC. This seems to be a very clever ploy to rob the members of his church of their money – “Make the CRC the place where your heart should be and your finances will follow automatically” kind of thing. The passage in Matthew simply means that Christians should use their money to spread the Gospel so that lost sinners may be saved in stead of piling it up for moth and rust to corrupt it. You don’t even need to be a member of a church to use your money circumspectly in favor of God’s kingdom. All you need to do is to give your money where God wants you to give it. As you may know At Boshoff is a strong proponent of the “Law of Attraction” which is but another name for the positive confession heresy. The law of attraction is the name given to the belief that “like attracts like” and that by focusing on positive or negative thoughts, one can bring about positive or negative results. So whatever you think – positive or negative – is what you are going to attract. Think rich and you will attract prosperity; think poor and you will attract poverty. This is nothing but white magic, the sister of black magic.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmMqKNbZM50

  21. phillip says:

    ek moet dom wees … se vir my is al die kerke nie deel van die ligaam van Christus, ek gee nie om hoe hierdie mense die boodskap versprei nie so lank as wat hulle mense kan hoop gee en lei , ek ken nie vir pastoor At nie en hy lyk so bietjie windgat maar as God hom gebruik om mense te red dan is dit so , as jy n probleem daarmee het gaan op jou knee en baklei met God. en net so pro qua , die jonger generasie soek audio en visiele stimilasie , wat dink julle kos dit? is dit nie wonderlik dat daar kerke is wat met drug geinvesteerde nagclubs kan meeding op die gebied en hulle dan indoktrinieer met die geskrewe skrif. My kinders eerder in die kerk as tussen drugies. o ja , mense van crc isbaie aktief om te dien en met aktiwteite soos bybelskool , natuurlik sal daar n groepsmentaliteit wees . ek moet dom wees want ek verstaan nie die nie … en kom ek raai die ouens wat die mees uitgesproke teen hierdie kerk is doen absoluut niks self om die koningkryk te bou

  22. To Phillip says:

    this is clearly prosperity teaching to entice people to give their hard earned cash to the church

  23. phillip,

    Jy stem beslis nie saam met Jesus Christus nie. Hy het gesê “Pasop dat niemand julle mislei nie.” (Mattheus 24:4). Hy het nie gesê: “Gebruik audio and visuele stimulasie, die regte beligting ens. om die Evangelie aan mense oor te dra nie. Ja, dit kan sekerlik van nut wees maar dan moet jy ten minste die Evangelie verkondig en dit nie verdraai om geldelike gewin nie.

  24. Brit says:

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Hi Brit
    I started to watch the sermon and got to 13 minutes and I ran out of bandwidth 🙁 Unfortunately I am limited at the moment when it comes to bandwidth and struggle to watch videos. Can you tell me what it is that troubles you about this sermon?

    Everyone in crc London believe that pastor Thabo Marais is preaching “100% the truth” so I just want to hear your opinions do you think that his sermons can be called “truth”. This could help some people

  25. Brit

    Thomas listened to the sermon and he said it’s definitely not the truth.

  26. phillip 1 says:

    Thomas Lessing (Watch and Pray / Waak en Bid) wrote:

    phillip,

    Jy stem beslis nie saam met Jesus Christus nie. Hy het gesê “Pasop dat niemand julle mislei nie.” (Mattheus 24:4). Hy het nie gesê: “Gebruik audio and visuele stimulasie, die regte beligting ens. om die Evangelie aan mense oor te dra nie. Ja, dit kan sekerlik van nut wees maar dan moet jy ten minste die Evangelie verkondig en dit nie verdraai om geldelike gewin nie.

    Al wat ek weet is dat tiendes aanGod voorgeskryf if, daarom sal ek tiendes gee . As dit sy intensie is om mense se geld by hulle weg te neem deur sogenaamde prosperity preaching is dit sy saak met God en het niks met my uit te waai nie, maar hoe julle hom oordeel is seker nie biblies nie of help my reg as jy beter wees van enige bibliese teks wat se ons moet oordeel of ons moet die ligaam van Christus afbreek.jy se die man verkondig nie die evangelie, regtig ? Europa is besig om voor ons oe islamieties te word, darem het die beweging genoeg moed om ditt te probeer teen kant hoe kan julle in die tye afbreek maak aan enige en en ek bedoel enige christelike instansie.Instede jy vir my wys hoe dom ek is trek jou mooi aan en gaan doen iets vir Christus want die oes is groot en die werkers min.

  27. Gabriël says:

    This video from Gotye seems similar to the CRC Sunday experience => youtu.be/s6V_44ibou8

  28. Gabriël says:

    Brit wrote:

    I have friends completely brainwashed in da sect #crclondon that mr Thabo Marais is preaching “100 the truth” – its scary out there. He is a walking truth – you cant imagine. And everyone with “opinion” is from the devil. Please tell me your opinions for this so called “sermon” https://vimeo.com/channels/thabomarais/96838942

    ²⁶I write these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you. ²⁷But the Anointing that you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as His Anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie — just as It has taught you, abide in Him.

    1 John 2:26-27 ESV

  29. Brit says:

    they are a cult they are not a church – its not biblical that everyone should speak in tangues

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