Nancy Missler and Henrietta Mears

Nancy Missler and Henrietta Mears

Nancy Missler began her Christianity under a woman who was known for training the next generation of ecumenical world leaders and established the campus ecumenical movement.

Nancy MisslerNancy Missler attended UCLA where she studied art. She met Chuck on a blind date in 1956 and they married the following year. Through Christian author and speaker Henrietta Mears, Nancy became a Christian, and she devoted herself to her family, raising the Misslers’ four children, Chip, Mark, Lisa and Michelle.. Nancy also established a company, Missler Aerial Photography Service, that specialized in aerial and architectural photography.”   —     [Emphasis added]

Henrietta Mears ecumenical influence was widespread. She was a close friend and coworker of Charles Fuller who promoted her Henrietta Mearson his radio broadcasts. Fuller, Ockenga, and Orr all taught at the Forest Home Christian Conference Center which she founded to “train the next generation of world leaders.” With Fuller, Ockenga, and Orr, Henrietta Mears established the campus ecumenical movement. For eleven years Mears groomed Bill Bright for leadership and Campus Crusade for Christ was founded in her living room. (Bill Bright was a member of the Council for National Policy Board of Governors in 1982.) According to Christianity Today, Henrietta Mears is the “grandmother of modern evangelicalism.”    [Emphasis added]

Chuck Missler is working with the UN on the following:

SWANsat - www.swansat.comThe SWANsat Project will place a constellation of three high-powered satellites into operation: One spacecraft will serve Europe, Africa, the Middle East, and western Asia. One spacecraft will serve North, Central, and South America. One spacecraft will serve central and east Asia, Australia, New Zealand, and the central Pacific. When operated together, all three spacecraft will provide coverage of the entire globe, except for polar areas.”  –

Aiding the UN connect the world via satellite for the coming one world order.

Dr. Charles W. “Chuck” Missler is a special advisor to the SWANsatâ„¢ project.  –


Regarding the latest book by Chuck and Nancy Missler titled Kingdom, Power, and Glory: The Overcomer’s Hand book this is what THE BEREAN CALL had to say about the book

“Nancy, has, in our view, serious doctrinal errors. The main thesis they present is that born-again believers fall into two categories: “overcomers” and “carnal Christians.” When both stand before Jesus at His judgment seat for rewards, those saved carnal Christians (whose lives have produced few, if any, good works) will be relegated to a place of outer darkness during the Millennium when overcoming Christians will rule and reign with Christ.”   —  [Emphasis added]

“In addition to the implications regarding the gospel, it grieves me deeply that the Misslers’ book may spread anxiety and fear among evangelicals, much like I had as a Roman Catholic. I knew I had punishments awaiting me, even if I made it to purgatory. Being delivered from that fear when I put my faith in the One who paid the full penalty for my sins, my heart joyfully rested in His words: “Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you” (John 14:1-2). There are many, many other verses that clearly show that Jesus will never separate Himself nor cast the believer away from Himself. We have His blessed assurance.”  —   [Emphasis added]

Sound Familiar?

From the book ‘Heaven is so Real’ by Choo Thomas she says,

” When we got to the top, I looked over a brown and lifeless valley.  Everywhere there was brown.  The whole region seemed to be filled with dead grass.”I noticed multitudes of people who were wearing sand-colored robes roaming aimlessly in the vicinity of the pit’s yawning mouth.   Their heads were hanging low, and they looked very dejected and hopeless. “Who are these people, Lord?” I asked.

They are disobedient ‘Christians” “How long will they have to stay in this barren, lifeless place?”Forever, My daughter.  The only ones who will enter My kingdom are the pure of heart-My obedient children.” (p. 46 also p.249)    [Emphasis added]

We can see why Nancy Missler has managed to write such unbiblical nonsense because she learnt about ‘Christianity’ through Henrietta Mears – an ecumenical, unsaved woman with one world agenda.


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Deborah (Discerning the World)

Deborah Ellish is the author of the above article. Discerning the World is an internet Christian Ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa. Tom Lessing and Deborah Ellish both own Discerning the World. For more information see the About this Website page below the comments section.

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  1. Hanelie says:

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:


    I gotta say you have truly done one incredible ‘about turn’. My mom reads this blog every day and she remembers you from a years ago, and she phoned me and said, “Is that the same Hanelie from back then?” I said, “yes, isn’t it wonderful”, and we both nearly shed a tear.

    I pray…. Phil 1:6 “Being confident of this very thing, that He which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ”

    Well, that’s testimony to the faithfulness and work of the Holy Spirit. Thank you for the scripture; it is obviously always very appropriate; it is obviously always very appropriate, but is really especially valuable where I am right now. I thought I was sort of “emotionally immune” to learning about all the deception, deceivers and hidden agendas, but alas not.

  2. Paul (Continue in His Word) says:

    Marion wrote:
    I also have come to believe that what his material does is “initiate” the unsuspecting true Christians into the “ancient mysteries”, of which they would otherwise be unawares, under the guise of educating us to the ways of the enemy of our souls, to enable us to be “watchmen”. AND I did become aware…and God used it to uncover evil…but, at the same time, God’s people become defiled, by having paraded in front of our eyes, into our ears, hearts and minds, things we would ordinarily not have anything to do with, retreat from; even occult ways and practices….but in the desire to “KNOW”…

    That is exactly the thought that came to me when I was watching a video on Caryl Matrisciana site.
    That is so true!

  3. Marion says:

    Paul…Caryle…another wolf…look at those who run in that “pack.”…and take heed unto yourself!

  4. Good Soldier says:

    Hello Den,
    I published that blog site you think is so foolish.

    Do I love Mike Hoggard? No I do not, why should I love a lying wolf
    who is seeking to devour my brethren. I love my brethren who are being
    lead astray by him but Mr Hoggard I have no love for him, he is
    accursed in my view, having knowledge of the truth he has turned to
    follow doctrines of devils and is now teaching them as if they are the
    word of God. You say that my pointing out his Masonic hand signs is
    silly, shame on you. You should know better than to discount the use
    of signs and symbols used covertly by the members of secret orders to
    let fellow members know they are part of the same club. Sure Y not
    just come out and tell us your part of that same club and feel the
    need to defend a brother mason when he is exposed.

    You are a partaker of his evil deeds by the way that you defend him.

    2Jn 1:9-11 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine
    of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he
    hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and
    bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid
    him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his
    evil deeds.

    I see you like to quote from the Geneva Bible but at the same time you
    defend a man who teaches that the KJV is the inspired translation in
    English, that is just hypocrisy. Mr Hoggard lies all over the place in
    his book the King James Code to make his case for a hidden code that
    only he could find because of special revelation from God that proves
    the KJV is inspired. I only pointed out a few examples in my blog and
    that should have been enough for you to think to yourself I had better
    check everything that comes out of that mans mouth in future. What
    dose that make him Den? Special revelation that turns out to be a lie
    = False Prophet. You can eat his meat and spit out the bones all you
    want and you will still find a false prophet teaching occult mystery’s
    and hidden meanings to be found by the wise and enlightened Mr Hoggard
    from the Hogwarts School of Bible interpretation.

    I also see you like to talk about love while disregarding the sound
    doctrines Deborah is giving you in return. I put it to you that you
    are following another Jesus of your own understanding, the Gentle New
    Age Jesus that Jazz is a follower off is the same loving kind Jesus
    that you are preaching in this tred. Must I remind you that the Lord
    Jesus Christ that is come in the flesh will one day return to judge
    this world and will burn it up with fire.

    Geneva 2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thiefe in the
    night, in the which the heauens shall passe away with a noyse, and the
    elements shall melt with heate, and the earth with the workes that are
    therein, shalbe burnt vp.

    Now that’s not very loving in your understanding now is it? The Lord
    is long suffering and wish for all to be saved but all will not be
    saved because they will not have it and seek other Gods before him.
    The Gentle Jesus that is preached by New Ager’s and Emergent’s is not
    Biblical and is a Luciferian inversion of the truth. It was Jesus who
    sent Titus to punish the Jews for rejecting him in 70AD and it will be
    Jesus who separates the sheep from the goats on the last day.

    Mat 23:36-38 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon
    THIS GENERATION. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the
    prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I
    have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her
    chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left
    unto you desolate.

    Luk 23:28-29 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of
    Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for YOURSELVES, and for YOUR
    CHILDREN. For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall
    say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the
    paps which never gave suck.

    Why don’t you ask Mike some hard questions about Chuck Missler instead
    of defending him or over looking the fact that he endorses him by
    speaking on the same platforms as him? It’s because your all loved up
    in the Jesus of your own understanding and are willing to overlook all
    manner of wickedness to have peace and love. Which is the peace and
    love of the Broken cross peace symbol used by the united nations and
    Sure Y Not.

    Sure Y Not has been removed from Mike Hoggard’s web site but he still
    has all him videos posted on Sure Y Not. I don’t watch his watchman
    broadcast but I seriously doubt he ever mentioned my blog on his show
    for fear the rest of his occult workings and lies might be seen by his
    blinded followers. The day Mike takes down all his videos with false
    doctrine and special revelation and withdraws his books on occult
    secret codes in the KJV and repents from reading occult books and
    teaching them to his followers and steps aside as a pastor because he
    deems himself unfit to lead the Lords flock anymore is the day I will
    accept him as my brother in the Lord and will love him as a brother.
    Until then I will rebuke ye both with all authority in the hope that I
    might pull ye out of the fire, now that is true charity.

    Jud 1:16-25 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own
    lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men’s
    persons in admiration because of advantage. But, beloved, remember ye
    the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus
    Christ; How that they told you there should be mockers in the last
    time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. These be they who
    separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit. But ye, beloved,
    building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy
    Ghost, Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of
    our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. And of some have compassion,
    making a difference: And others save with fear, pulling them out of
    the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. Now unto him
    that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless
    before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, To the only wise
    God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now
    and ever. Amen.

    Tit 2:15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all
    authority. Let no man despise thee.

    Consider yourself rebuked


  5. It would appear that since Den emailed Mike about this blogs conversation Mike Hoggard went and did a covert cleanup of his blog trying to remove the evidence. Hmm, pity he didn’t do it when Marion questioned him back in 2011, you would have thought Mike would have had some Holy Spirit conviction to check out if there was any evil on his website and remove it, but he dismissed it. I think he is what is most commonly called, busted.

  6. Marion says:

    Well said, Good Soldier!

  7. Paul (Continue in His Word) says:

    Marion wrote:

    Paul…Caryle…another wolf…look at those who run in that “pack.”…and take heed unto yourself!

    I figured that out even before Debs exposed Missler and Oakland and their pack (Debs had busted them long time before, but she waited before publishing)

    I seem to have a much greater discernment for some time now. I seem to be able to identify a wolf way before many people have any clue. I believe it is the work of the Holy Spirit. Since last summer when I was delivered from the deception of a pentecostal-charismatic man-centered cult, my discernment have become very sharp. I am always “on guard”, and most people don’t discern what I discern or understand me. Thankfully, I’ve found on this blog some people who are like minded. For the past year, I’ve been brought to understand what the Lord Jesus meant when He asked: “When the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on earth?”
    It seems the remnant grow smaller and smaller by the day, as the deception spread wider and wider!

  8. Paul (Continue in His Word) says:

    Good Soldier,

    You could add this verse of Scripture to your rebuke to Den:

    2Chr 19:2 And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD.

    Surely Mike Hoggard and his pack (Missler and Co) hate the LORD!

  9. Redeemed says:

    Paul, you are right. As those so-called discerners are exposed as being nothing but shields for false teachers, working within predetermined boundaries that do not disturb their “networks”, those who choose to take an uncompromised stand for truth begin to stick out like sore thumbs. I use that analogy because that is exactly how folks like you are viewed – critical spirit, judgmental, etc. But the LORD does not see you that way and we must remember that He and the Apostles were viewed as troublemakers and malcontents.

  10. Den says:

    Wow, G. S. call me what you will. You have a hatred that I do not share. Please feel free to dissect my website to add to your condemnation of me. A good place for you to start would be the
    . I will let my comments on this page stand as a remembrance to you all of who I am…

    Take Care Deb…

  11. Jude 3 times is Gone says:

    Hi all if anyone of you was the owner of Jude 3 times I would really like to know why it was taken down. You know who I am and have my e-mail address so please let me know. Thank’s

  12. Jude 3

    Nope no one here is the owner of that site. Sorry.

  13. mary says:

    really disturbing to read all of this about mike he seems like a sound teacher. at the end of the day we must be bereans and check out these evangelical teachers. i have separated myself from john macarthur he is a staunch calvanist and his teachings on calvanism are seeping into all the seminaries, books tapes dvds and churches. its a heresy that he teaches its a big topic and a big issue. its no light matter calvanism is catholicsm from augustine who was a catholic church father. stay away from this deadly teaching. i so far agree with mike hoggard i don’t get into the bible codes the nephilim teaching is debatable still looking into it. we really are living in perilous times such confusion we no longer can look to fallible man teachng us the word of god. i can only hope lords coming is close as we too can fall into this apostasy its a tsunami of apostasy being thrown at us. false teachers like hinn, copeland joyce meyer are all judgemnts on people who do not have a love of the truth. god is giving people over when they receive not the love of the truth. check yr jesus via yr doctrine to make sure u have the right jesus. a false gospel never saved anyone with a false jesus.

  14. mary says:

    so true paul we are living in very difficult times and its getting harder to find a sound church even the baptists churches are not discerning anymore. the seminaries are all going back to rome thru reformed theology. macarthur has a lot to answer for one day how he has mislead so many christians with his lordship salvation of works. his calvanism is deadly different jesus calvin was the tyrant of geneva. the reformers never truly came out of rome. so calvanism is just another leg of rome its deceptive and appeals especially to the intellectuals. lots of compromising is going on we are running out of teachers that are truly on the straight and narrow.
    we don’t know whos teaching to trust anymore as there is much confusion. if u r discerning u will be called critical unloving and dogmatic. getting tired of all i just wish the lord would come.

  15. Dear Mary

    Thank you so much for your comment.

    The problem with Mike is that he teaches Christians the occult. He delves into the occult so that he can teach Christians the occult. That is not biblical. That is a trap.

    the nephilim teaching is debatable still looking into it. See here: or this article please read comments as well.

  16. mary says:

    just wondering if we are in these baptist churches that teach calvanism and if it is a heresy which i believe it is then how are we to sit under these teachings. then i have no church to go to then i will stay home and get together with a few like minded christians.

  17. Aaron says:

    Calvinism is a heresy. Once saved always saved is true due to John 3:16, but calvinism is false.

  18. S.E.Brown says:

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Dear Mary
    Thank you so much for your comment.
    The problem with Mike is that he teaches Christians the occult. He delves into the occult so that he can teach Christians the occult. That is not biblical. That is a trap.
    >>the nephilim teaching is debatable still looking into it.
    See here: or this article please read comments as well.

    Deborah-You “nailed it” regarding Mike! MANY FALSE teachers&preachers today use that particular tactic to “TEACH” the OCCULT to Christians! The Website manager,”Jazzy” is a New Ager, and Mike just LOVES to teach what he calls “Newage Sewage”-lol.
    I know that those are: “The deep things of Satan”,which Jesus Christ Himself(in the Book of Revelation in the letters to the Churches) WARNED true Christians NOT to have knowledge of in any way. Mike will receive from our Lord according to his works, just as Jude said!

  19. S.E.Brown says:

    Redeemed wrote:

    Marian, wow, what an amazing expose on Hoggard! I only recently became aware of him and his wide influence. He appeals to many of the KJV-only folks who fail to look past that and all the surface truth he promotes.
    You speak from experience and now have the opportunity to alert others. I hope Lauren heeds your warning.
    I hope you have shared this with Joetta Smith, the dear lady who ministers in Kenya and was apparently thrown under the bus by LHT/UTT. She links to Hoggard on her site.
    These are perilous times indeed when truth is being used as a cloak for darkness – no doubt that is what the Bible refers to as an “angel of light”. The Word tells us to be on guard, be alert, but sheep are gullible and stray so oh how are TRUE watchpeople needed! And there are even impostors posing as watchpeople! And these are even harder to detect!
    Thanks for sharing!

    Dear Redeemed- I’ve discovered some “BUZZ WORDS” the IMPOSTERS use that identify them:

    (1) Instead of referring to their followers as “WATCHMEN” (as in “on the wall”), they call their people “WATCHERS”(as in the fallen angels who left their proper abode-see the Book of Jude).

    (2) They also are OBSESSED with the NEPHILIM, and all of the titilating DETAILS of CARNAL relations between human woman and fallen angels. At one of their “Nephilim Conferences”(LOL ;>)), there was a SUPPOSED “Pastor” who was WARNING all the parents in the audience to keep their daughters locked-up, so that they would not be seduced by these fallen angels-ROFLOL :>) !!!

    (3)They go on endlessly about “HYBRID humans”, how they are HERE NOW! Then they discuss whether such “Hybrids” can obtain SALVATION!!!

    (4)UFO’s and human abductions are one of the BIGGEST deals on their agenda! While they acknowledge that these are “angelic visitations”, they hardley ever tell you that this is a coming POST-RAPTURE part of the STRONG DELUSION(see 2Thessalonians2)sent BY GOD to those who’ve REJECTED The Gospel of Jesus Christ, His TRUTH, and Salvation of all humanity ONLY coming THROUGH HIM. The New Agers call these “visitors” “ASCENDED MASTERS”, and they even have an “ASCENDED MASTER JESUS”(a DEMON Poseur)waiting in line to teach all of the FAUX “christians”, AFTER we are raptured!

    (5) I have noticed on one website in particular-L.A.Marzulli- that when he refers to Satan he calls him “The Fallen One”, in CAPITAL LETTERS, just like we Christians do with the Name of Jesus Christ, and God, the Father.The antichrist is also called “The One” in the New Age venacular-BIG BUZZ WORD!!!

    (6)Another thing I’ve noticed is that instead of using the Name, Jesus Christ of Nazareth, they will ONLY refer to Him as “Yeshua”,”Yeshuahua”,or some JEWISH term for His Name and NEVER add “Mechiach” at the end for MESSIAH!

    (7)BEWARE of any pastor/teacher/preacher who only preaches “Jesus”,NO Christ, NO “of Nazareth”, because they are probably referring to that “OTHER Jesus” and “ANOTHER gospel” that Paul adamentally WARNED us about in Galations, Chapter 1.

    (8)The IMPOSTERS love to teach real Christians The OCCULT,WITCHCRAFT,and “DOCTRINES of DEMONS”-
    The “Word of Faith” folks,The T.V. evangelists, and The MONEY GRUBBER$ all appeal to the Lu$t for $,the PRIDE of Life, and The DE$IRE of the EYE$- Satanic TRAPS, ALL of them and they use “WITCHCRAFT” to beguile those who watch or listen to them!

    If you want to know how I have learned about them, it’s because I’ve gone into the “Enemy Camp” and spied them out. We are told to be AWARE of the WILES of the DEVIL- the ENEMY of our souls and that WICKED who wants all humans, especially the Bride, to come over to his camp! James tells us that if we RESIST the devil, he will FLEE from us! Singing hymns and praising our Beloved Jesus Christ really works as “devil/demon REPELLANT”!

  20. Margie R says:

    We have done extensive research on Mike Hoggard and his connection with Chuck Missler and other questionable teaching etc. Here is a link to much info along with videos / pics etc. There’s no doubt in our minds, this man is a false teacher. We watched him too, for a long time; especially Pastor Mike Online. But it wasn’t until this year, that we really started to look into him. It’s shocking. Nothing we have posted is hateful or with malice; only the facts.

    We have a group on Facebook also exposing Mike Hoggard, in the same manner. This man is becoming very well known, on the internet; and the deception is great!

  21. Goldie says:

    Hi, Debra, I’m not agreeing with Dan. I’ve been on the WC site for a while now, and also have listened to Mike for a while now. I don’t listen to him very much anymore, but I enjoy the fellowship at times on WC. I have met some great people, a couple that Jazz had kicked off…for one. We have exchanged emails to keep in touch, and have had wonderful fellowship by phone conversions. I try and drop hints on there that no man has it all, and any Preacher can be off sometimes, hoping the naive, will pick up on that hint..;-) I have also seen many things about Mike H.I do not like. I have gotten lots of RED FLAGS in my spirit! But, About the program that you can type in one word, and all the verses come up..I certainly don’t use it for any numbers game, I just enjoy that I can see all the scriptures that have to do with that one word, and study all those scriptures. For instance if I want to study about the Day of the Lord, I just type it in, and all those scriptures come up. It makes studying many things a lot easier! Nothing to do with numbers for me anyway. Just thought I would add that! God Bless your work sister! Can you tell me what is wrong with the Light House trails site??? I hadn’t realized that they were off…thanks.

  22. Sue says:

    Hi Margie, I’m sorry…I get it now! My eyes are totally wide open! I love you, sue C. 🙁 I tried to email several times, without any success…:( I hope you will forgive my error, and take me back!

  23. Joetta Smith says:

    Just to give you an update… What the devil meant to use to destroy me and the ministry God had given to me has been turned around and used for God’s glory! My intent has always been to have a place where pastors could come and learn the true word of God using the KJV Bible and to contend for the faith once delivered unto the saints. I won’t go into everything that befell me because of what those people did to me for God will give them their due at the right time.
    One of the pastors I had been working with stayed with me through it all and God has given me a “new” ministry…new name but same vision. We are now called Treasure Keepers Kenya discipleship ministry for pastors. We have a small place where pastors now meet once a month and they have been coming almost 2 years now. They all say how much they have grown spiritually themselves and how much their congregations have grown in their faith and knowledge as well. The pastor (Hosea) and his wife and I live out in the interior and his wife (Mama Junior) and I also have our ministry to women called Pikipiki Mamas 4 Jesus and we go out monthly to minister to women riding the pikipikis (motorbikes with drivers) to reach the interior church where we meet with them. We seek ONE goal…to help these precious people to know and understand the true word of God and to apply it to their lives. It has been a real challenge, but God has been so faithful!
    Our ministry is small, but it is strong and pulsing with the life of Jesus Christ. We continue on, praying to endure unto the end. I have come close to death twice…once from malaria and once from the congestive heart failure that I have….but God has chosen to keep me around and I am happy to serve Him with every breath He gives me. We never ask for donations and leave that all up to God…our part is to follow Him and teach these pastors so they can teach their flocks. We want to see them in heaven!! We do our best to supply them with the Authorized KJV Bibles and a Strong’s Concordance so they can be equipped to do their own Bible study and PROVE everything we bring out in the word of God.
    Thanks for your great site. I always enjoy it so much. I have removed certain links off of my blog as well. Keep up the good work.
    If anyone wants to see more about what we are doing they can go to my little website at God bless you, Mama Jo

  24. Hi Joetta

    Awesome! I am so happy to hear from you. What a strange co-inkie-dinkie but I thought about you about 2 months ago and wondered what on earth was going on. I pray that you are ok, and that Jesus looks after you as you lead people to Jesus Christ. I know how strong the false Christian teaching is in Africa and it’s tough just all around to be in Africa and do what you do. I pray too that people go to your website and donate money to help you.

  25. Stephen says:

    How do you recognise a Devil hand signing masonic wolf in sheep’s clothing? just watch what he does with his paws. ie so it’s not really the show that hell hates!!

  26. val says:

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Something interesting… on the front page of it says…
    Welcome to Bethel – Church… the way it used to be
    Welcome to the Bethel Church Web Site. Bethel is a loving, friendly church where you will find acceptance. We follow the old paths and are a King James Bible Church where you will be taught the Truth of God’s Holy Word. We are so very pleased you are visiting with us via the world wide web. If you are able to visit in person, you will be greeted with a warm welcome.“We follow the old paths” ?? OLD and MANY PATHS? You gotta be kidding! This is occult.

    Jeremiah 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls.

  27. val,

    So, according to you, MANY PATHS are the OLD PATH.

  28. Jackie says:

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:


    Thanks for your comment

    However… as a pastor he should be squeeky clean, he is the one that teaches others and God will hold him accountable for this.

    >> Either way sometimes we just have to agree to disagree.

    Never. You can not agree to disagree on false doctrine. Can you imagine Jesus saying…

    1Tim 4:13 Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.
    1Tim 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

    2Tim 1:13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
    2Tim 1:14 That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us.
    2Tim 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    But you know what? … because you only teach a little bit of leaven we will just argree to disagree, we can work around the problematic areas and find common ground.


    You see, the Holy Spirit guides all Christians into ALL TRUTH, not TRUTH and ERROR.

    The church is in the state it is in because everyone insists on agreeing to disagree, instead of following scripture, following God’s commandments, which states that you are to follow the Word of God and if you are not then you are not being guided by the Holy Spirit.

    >> Mike is a good man so pray for him and Jazz as well that she will take heed to his teachings because Mike has many, many good points in his Watchman broadcasts

    1) Jazz is an undercover New Age Change Agent as explained in her Manifesto and has infiltrate Mikes ministry and has no intention of changing her ways.
    2) Mike is possibly not who he says he is and has allowed Jazz to infiltrate him and even after he was warned about her, he ignored the warning – he did nothing to change webmasters.

    Did you know that Mike Hoggard is the Pastor for Doc Marquis? Check/
    Marquis supposedly came out of a high level illuminati family and became a “reluctant” Christian. When I discovered that Mike was the pastor for Doc Marquis, I knew my suspicions were correct about Doc Marquis and now Mike Hoggard: they are infiltrators sent to deceive true Christians. Doc Marquis has a serious superiority complex and puts people down on his FAQ section of his website. If you watch any of his videos, he’s always flashing the typical satanic hand signs and I don’t think that’s by mistake. I personally didn’t find his salvation testimony to be credible. (I hope I’m wrong and he and Mike Hoggard are saved.)

    I’ve read books on mind control in illuminati families and it’s virtually impossible to fix all the attendant problems that go along with D.I.D. The splitting of the mind is so deep and expansive over years of torture, it’s a miracle many of them even survive. If a victim is chipped, it makes things even worse for the victim trying to escape. Agreeing to the salvation message doesn’t automatically fix these problems. It just saves them from going to hell, if indeed the victim really wants salvation. Many of them don’t ; it’s just another ruse for them to perpetrate.

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