Dr. Chuck Missler, SWANsat and the Auric Currency
Dr. Chuck Missler, SWANsat and the Auric Currency
I am writing this article because I do not think that Chuck Missler is being at all honest with us as to what he really believes and who he ‘works’ for. For some unknown reason Chuck Missler is ‘protected’ in that he seems to be able to get away with all sorts of false prophecy and publishing books on ‘extra biblical’ occult subjects with no one battering an eyelid.
His resume (freely available on the internet) is profound in that Chuck’s interests, companies and world plans all seem to tie in with what he himself tries to expose as evil in his books.
Chuck Missler is not an expert on prophecy, he is helping to orchestrate Biblical prophecy by aiding and abetting the One World Order.
I will let you review the below information and you can ask yourself the question; “Why is a supposed born again Christian ‘serving the people‘ by connecting the world via 3 satellites and helping to establish the African Union which is part of the New World Order?” I know I am going to get some serious slack for this article, but someone has to say something. And seeing as though I have nothing to lose, let me be that person. In my research I have noted some highly recommended pastors support Chuck Missler, some even have their their books being published on Koinonia House Europe.
There are many things that I myself have fallen prey too and sometimes it’s been difficult for me to want to believe I was fooled. I am no one special, but I do my utter best to listen to the Holy Spirit’s warnings and I ask Jesus for forgiveness of these things and rectify my errors so that I do not lead people astray. I sincerely pray that these pastors that I myself love very much, take heed of what I have written here and re-evaluate their position regarding what the Bible says about false teachers and how it’s even possible for the elect to be deceived.
It sometimes takes a donkey to come along and show us something that was so glaringly obvious.
Dr. Charles ‘Chuck’ Missler: (Information below in no particular order)
Chuck and Nancy Missler established Koinonia House in 1973
Chuck Missler also has close ties with Chuck Smith and Calvary Chapel (where he preached) which was founded by The Jesus People
Close friend to Hal Lindsey (broadcasts shows on
Trinity Broadcasting Network). Hal Lindsey who had a show on TBN for years had his show removed by TBN in December 2005 because of his criticism against Islam. As of Feb 2007 he was back on TBN hosting his show, “The Hal Lindsey Report”. — http://www.religionnewsblog.com/17439/hal-lindsey
Pat Matrisciana is a director of Chuck Missler’s Koinonia House. Matrisciana also founded Campus Crusade for Christ with Bill Bright
Dr.William Welty was appointed to the board of Directors of Koinonia House on 24 October 2009, which creates, develops, and distributes materials to stimulate, encourage, and facilitate serious study of the Bible as the inerrant Word of God. Koinonia House is located in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho and was founded by Dr. Charles Missler.
Chuck Missler supporter of the Bible Code which is Gematria/Numerology –
literal Qabalah. Book: Hidden Treasures – Chuck Missler highlights many of the trademark discoveries of hidden messages within the Biblical texts that will challenge and excite you! A ‘must read’ for every thinking seeker of truth and serious inquirer of reality.
On TBN’s 12/29/99 ‘Praise the Lord’ program which Hal Lindsey and Cliff Ford, hosted. One of their guests was Chuck Missler. Missler said he was there for the purpose of endorsing TBN’s movie, The Omega Code, and promoting his own new book on the Code. The Omega Code movie did NOT promote the Gospel of Jesus Christ, but rather gave credence to the latest big lie — that there are hidden messages in the Bible when one uses the letters as an acrostic puzzle. This is the latest blasphemy sweeping through the professing church — using the Bible as a tool for divination.” —Biblical Discernment Ministries
Occult fascination with UFO’s. Alien Encounters: This book confronts the issues surrounding the sightings of UFOs and alien abductions and offers answers to many of the most pertinent questions. — http://www.alienencounters.com
Dr. Charles W. “Chuck” Missler’s Curriculum Vitae:
Member of a globalist group since 1998, the Council For National Policy (CNP).
Established the first international industrial computer network in 1966 while working at Ford Motor Company.
Founded a computer networking organisation later acquired by Automatic Data Processing (NYSE) to became its Network Services Division. Consultant to the Board of Directors of Rockwell International for corporate acquisitions. Pioneer in computer technologies, participation in the development of some of the most top-secret military systems, including the Stealth bomber, anti-submarine warfare, worked with William E. Simon, former Secretary of Treasury on a strategically sensitive ultraviolet laser project, partnered with Boeing on P-3 upgrade, CEO for Advanced developments for Department of Defense and other deeply classified customers, Global Positioning Satellite systems, Director of Applied Devices Corporation for data processing support services for international oil industry, state lotteries, etc.
Owner of The Phoenix Group, Inc., – 1989
Personally funded the first microchip implementation of the Data Encryption Standard (DES)
Gave false prophecy of Y2K where 2 videos were released by Chuck Missler and John Ankerberg with advertisting title: “The Coming Y2K Computer Crisis Will threaten Anyone Whose Faith is Not in God!”. This ‘false prophecy’ is very peculiar considering his unbelievable resume regarding anything computer orientated. Why would someone who is a genius in the computing field say such a stupid thing.
Partnership with company that will soon launch 3 Satellites that will connect the entire world in the year 2014.
Helping establish the African Union currency called the Auricâ Currency.
Participated in over 100 business ventures as a principal, strategic adviser, or turnaround specialist. Ford Motor Company, TRW, Western Digital Corporation, as well as U.S. and foreign governments.
Missler was Senior participant in highly classified projects serving the intelligence community and the Department of Defense.
Not so long ago Chuck Missler was at the:
God’s News Behind the News International Prophecy Conference 2000 – Orlando Florida, 5-8 April 2000
The prophets were:
- Jack and Rexella Van Impe,
- Morris Cerullo,
- Hal Lindsey,
- Grant Jeffrey,
- Perry Stone,
- John Bevere,
- Ray Brubaker,
- Joe Van Koevering,
- Zola Levitt,
- Chuck Missler,
- J.R.Church,
- Gary Kah,
- Bill Cloud.
The Quantum Leap II Conference – July 19-21 2007
- Hosted by: The Gateway Christian Fellowship with speakers from The Elijah List, etc:
- David van Koevering (The Elijah List, New Age Occultist) – As a visionary, his gift is the insight to see, and by this observation to cause, and then define and communicate what he saw to others.
- Chuck Missler (Chuck was encouraged by his close friend Hal Lindsey to pursue his long-time love of teaching the Bible on a full-time basis. Hal Lindsey regular on TBN.)
- JoAnne McFatter (The Elijah List- New Age Occultist),
- Steve Swanson – Worship and Arts Director of Extreme Prophetic run by Patricia King (both The Elijah List- New Age Occultists).
- Previous speakers at Quantum Leap I Conference included: Kansas City Prophet Bob Jones along with Mike and Kari Browning.
‘Quantum Leap’ is a popular new age idea of man’s spiritual evolution from human to divine.
“Barbara Marx Hubbard” wrote apologist Brooks Alexander, “has a similar event that she calls a planetary Pentecost. She explains to us that at this time, a ‘quantum leap’ in the evolution of mankind will occur as revealed to her by ‘the Christ’: ‘At the moment of cosmic contact, I will appear to you both through inner experience and through external communication on your mass media.’ Hubbard says, at this time when ‘the divisions of the religions would be over…We would each know that God is within us…If all who feel we are connected to each other, to nature and to God join in a planetary Pentecost, we shall be transformed in this lifetime.’ (Barbara Marx Hubbard and the Armageddon Alternative,” SCP Journal, Vol. 19:2/3, 1995, p. 49).”
Jackie Alnor from Apostasy Alert tried to contact Chuck Missler on why he attend this conference but did not receive a reply from him. http://www.apostasyalert.org/REFLECTIONS/quantum.htm
Chuck Missler of Koinonia House sponsored: The Malta Expedition – 2004, ‘Exclusive Archaeological Cruise Event’ .
Tourists sailed to the islands of Patmos, Malta and Crete with excursions to Ephesus and Athens, where they visited the Acropolis, Parthenon and Mars Hill. Two days were spent on the island of Malta, where the tour visited the Palace of the Grand Master of the Knights of Malta!
At Valetta the tour will also visit an ancient Tarxien temple. ‘Tarxien’ means ‘huge stone’ which describes those used for the numerous prehistoric temples on Malta. The World Monuments Fund is trying to help protect these temples. In Lady of the Beasts: The Goddess and Her Sacred Animals, Buffie Johnson informs that Malta was renown for its temples and monuments to the Mother Goddess
Rockwell International:
A multifaceted company that worked in the manufacturing arena for defense and space industries. Rockwell International are Freemason/Illuminati.
The building that was originally built for Rockwell International was designed in the shape of a Ziggurat; a stepped pyramid in the style of ancient Babylonia. However they did not occupy the building and it became the regional branch office of the federal government, housing some National Archives material and other miscellaneous government documents.
Ziggurat
An ancient Mesopotamian temple tower consisting of a lofty pyramidal structure built in successive stages with outside staircases and a shrine at the top. [1] Form of temple common to the Sumerians, Babylonians and Assyrians. [2]
SWANsat: The Super-Wide Area Network Satellite
“People Serving People”
SWANsat’s satellite services will begin in 2014.
The SWANsat Project will place a constellation of three high-powered satellites into operation: One spacecraft will serve Europe, Africa, the Middle East, and western Asia. One spacecraft will serve North, Central, and South America. One spacecraft will serve central and east Asia, Australia, New Zealand, and the central Pacific. When operated together, all three spacecraft will provide coverage of the entire globe, except for polar areas.” — www.swansat.com
Dr. Charles W. “Chuck” Missler is a special advisor to the SWANsatâ„¢ project. —www.swansat.com/about_us_cmissler.htm
Introducing the World’s First Inflation-Proof Gold and Silver Standard Offered as Part of SWANsat’s Modern Marshall Plan for the African Union
Learn how SWANsat can help stabilize the world’s economy through the proposed gold-backed Auricâ currency. — http://www.swansat.com/index.htm
African Union Gold Currency – Auricâ
Dr. Welty is a founding member of the Global Settlement Foundation (GSF), a Geneva-based, independent, international non-profit organization that provides finality of settlement for global trade. The GSF System includes the GSF, duly appointed prime dealers, foundation members, lawful processes, and deliverable units. These trade in a cryptographically neutral marketplace. In the Global Standardâ„¢, one Globalâ„¢ is defined as 0.1 gram of gold by mass deliverable as 0.999 or better fine gold, and includes retail delivery of 0.9999 pure gold 1 Kg bars marked 10,000 Globals, high value coins designed for circulation and low value coins and notes. All circulating physical Globals contain at least 70% of the face value amount of gold with the balance stored in the GSF vaults. Counterfeits are impossible without the gold content. GSF enables the physical and lawful processes that facilitate creation and movement of goods and services, including the necessary infrastructure to allow entrepreneurs and investors who use Globals to create and use a real-capital stock market that allows the pricing function in the marketplace to price risk. The genius of the west – lawful real-money stock markets – has now again returned to the service of mankind. –– http://www.williamwelty.com/about_us.htm
In early June 2005 we began a feasibility study regarding formation of mySWANbank, a proposed banking service for SWANsatâ„¢ users. Our mySWANbank service will be operated in conjunction with SWANsat’s affiliated Banque de Commerce Internationale. — http://swansatfoundation.com/milestones.htm
Chuck Missler is nothing but a Luciferian cleverly disguised as a Dominionist.
Other Resources: [1] www.merriam-webster.com [2] www.encyclopedia.com/html/z1/ziggurat.asp
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Why do you want to follow men? When you can read the Bible and receive the best information first hand from God. Not a man made interpretation where they include 90% and 10% error. The error is enough to throw you off course over time.
You seem to want to make excuses for everything instead of just reading the bible. What is greater, Chuck Misslers information, or the Word of God?
Do you have the Holy Spirit abiding in you that you can leave men to their own devices and read the Word of God by yourself with the Holy Spirit as your interpreter?
Numbers 6:24, Numbers 6:25, Numbers 6:26
Thank you for the note. It was very kind of you to correct the miswritten quote. I really do appreciate it and I mean that sincerely.
My sister and I just finished a phone conversation where she was discussing a decision she was in the process of making. She had just returned from a vacation and had enjoyed the peace and quiet. I was so happy that she had a chance to go. Upon her return, she noticed that she had stresses which had nothing to do with anything except for things she was receiving from outside sources. She told me that what happens in some city far away in the news is not needed or really important to her daily walk with the Lord and the stress it causes to her can be dealt with. So she turned off the radio and television and is going to listen for that still small voice in the quietness of her home. There is wisdom in separating oneself from the world, but even the Amish who choose to remain agrarian in life, have problems. Each of us must find our way. Proverbs 3: 1-8
She is not a person who is prone to extremes and weirdness and I thank the Lord for her kindness and compassion for Christ’s sake. She believes that there is more wisdom in giving a coat to a person who is cold than a weeks full of discussion on the merits of charity.
I do not understand your focus on Chuck Missler, and it is not necessary to the plan of God for me to understand why. You have your own reasons, but we must do our service before the Lord, decently and in order. But I will ask you this. Do you pray for him? Do you seek the Lord on his behalf for good?
Chuck can take care of himself. He belongs to God and not to me. James 3:1 James 3: 2 Teaching is tough and teachers can and do offend.
If I never hear Chuck Missler teach again I will be fine. I was alive and was seeking the Lord before I ever heard his name. No teacher is the source of my salvation. But being apt to teach is scriptural and a good thing. 2Timothy 2: 24,25,26 We should not be of those who get weird and educate themselves until they deny that education is unnecessary. Moderation is the key but without love it is all for nothing.
Dr. Walter Martin in one of his studies, when he was alive and teaching at Melodyland in Anaheim, California, and I was in the audience; pointed out by scripture, that the word of God makes it clear that all teachers are subject to some error by the hand of God himself, so that no one could glory in man, but that only God was true. I must admit that I do not have the whole bible memorized by chapter and verse. I cannot find it today and I guess I have another thing to look for. But it is in there and I will find it again. We must all seek first the Kingdom of god and his righteousness.
I guess a little testimony would help in making clear my interest in something that by itself is not that important. Somehow, with all the websites and all the millions of places in all the world I ended up here. God has his reasons and I am not the one in control of the universe.
I believe that expositional, chapter by chapter study of the whole bible is the best way to learn. Isaiah 28:9, Isaiah 28:10 That being said, these are a few of my favorite teachers. I will not list every book or teacher and leaving out thousands of influences is to be expected. I try to read everything. I do not recommend it for everyone but it is very good for me.
J. Vernon Magee and the bible bus, have an influence in my life directly. His radio show was always a joy. I started attending Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa, shortly after they moved out of the tent and into the new building. I had long hair and wore a poncho which my mother gave me as a gift from a trip she took to Ecuador. I sat on the floor a lot. I rejoiced in my youth as one of the Jesus people. I was not part of a group called “Jesus people”, like it was a cult or some kind of denomination. At that time the term Jesus People was common. I was a person who chose to seek the Lord and to do his will by choice. If someone met me they could say, oh, he is one of those Jesus people, as a contrast to there own faith. I did not hide my light under a bushel. Nothing was strange or weird about it. I spent about seven years, going to church seven days a week. I owe Chuck Smith a debt of gratitude for the education I received. God bless him. It was there that I realized that all of the bible I had read as a child, was still in my head; and that the Sunday school lessons, no matter how disruptive I was with my questions, were not in vain. The word came back to my mind and I was surprised that I knew a lot of the stories by heart already. God is great. Calvary Chapel was the first place I went through the whole bible, cover to cover, multiple times, organized and diligently. Dr. Walter Martin, The Bible Answer man, was influential and his giving an answer for the hope that lies within us, taught me to defend the faith according to the scripture. He taught me that we must given an answer, but that it must be done according to the scripture, decently and in order. There are many who call themselves believers and are not. These people and groups must be challenged by what they write and by the words that come out of their mouths. It is a tough choice for a ministry and I am sure that it is not a good path for everyone. But it must be done. You must have source documents and quote correctly. Organizing clearly and concisely that which is not in agreement with the word of God is the whole point. Dr, John Warwick Montgomery and his grasp of law and philosophy, helped me to stand against the subtle undertows of world thought and Christian heresies. Scholarship must be above reproach. His degree in library science is evident in the way he keeps track of his statements and most important, the way he keeps track of the statements of others. And the issue is indeed one of the law, the rest is just opinion. If we are going to give an answer we must do it legally. When supposed Christian scholars declared God is Dead, he was the one to explain to me how they ended up that way believing such foolishness. Francis Schaeffer was also a wonderful influence on understanding the natural progression of philosophical thought that brought Europe to philosophical emptiness. His insistence is that love must be at the beginning and ending of our testimony to the unbelieving world, for without it, they will not believe us. We are to love one another. If we do not love each other, we lie and the truth is not in us.
J. Vernon Magee, Chuck Smith, and Walter Martin are the main three teachers of my youth.
I spent a year looking for an answer to a single bible question. I had been spending a lot of time talking to Jewish friends about Jesus and ran into a question during my studies that needed an answer. I was glad that my Jewish friends did not ask me the question because I would have not had an answer for them. I kept it secret and only told my closest brothers I studied with. I was not slack in my pursuit of the answer. I had friends who helped me and was thankful that I was not alone in my search. We prayed and sought the Lord for the answer to this thing. We were diligent before the Lord and did not take the scripture lightly. None of the seminaries, colleges, libraries, commentaries or books were able to answer my question. It was not suspicious thing it was just that no one at the time had the answer.
This is the text I was reading when I found the question..
John 8: 56,57,58,59
Jesus said, “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it and was glad.”
This is the question.
Where in the Old Testament did Abraham rejoice to see Jesus’ day and in seeing it was glad?
After nearly a year of searching, I was attending a study and the teacher was talking about an experience he had just had.
He was a bit frustrated by the disbelief around him and wanted to do something about it. He had taken his books and commentaries and put them into his car and went out to find someone he could convince by force of evidence that Jesus Christ was the Lord and saviour. He noticed someone hitchhiking and pulled over thinking that this was as good an opportunity as any. But to his surprise, this is what happened.
When the hitchhiker got into the car he addressed the teacher by name. This person then without a single word, asked him to pray with him for Jesus to become his Lord and saviour. The teacher was immediately stunned, and ashamed. But it was not the hide in the dark because I have done something wrong kind of ashamed, it was the kind of shame that reminds of his love for us, of his blood shed for us before we knew him, the kind of shame that brings tears of love and joy, and sends us into his loving arms. The lesson was that God does not need our help, we need his help. God is in control no matter what we think or struggle with.
That message was for me. I had no doubt that God had used this thing to speak directly to me. God is in control, He does not need my help or my intellect to do his will. He does allow me to participate but I cannot be successful on my own. I need him to go before me and prepare the way.
I had been getting frustrated with no answer in my search. I was having to deal with the issue of whether or not the answer to my question was even there in the bible. That did not sit well with my conscience or my spirit. I was in an intellectual dilemma. I could pretend that I was not in a mess, but I was. Is the bible to be trusted? It is a hard question to ask when you call yourself a believer.
I was faced with a choice. Believe in the bible without evidence, or throw the book into the trash and get on with my life.
The Sermon and message convinced me to let go of my doubts as best as was possible and to trust God for that which I could not see. I informed my friends of what my decision was and went on without an answer to my question. I began a fast and sought God for his guidance about my lingering thoughts about the question.
I knew that a week long praise and worship camp was being scheduled at the new Arrowhead facility recently purchased by Calvary Chapel. I took a week of vacation from work and signed up. I needed a break away from my questions. I arrived and spent the night thinking about the point of the camp: Leave the world behind, focus on the Lord, praise and worship him. I was still fasting. I kept up a front and did not let anyone know what had brought me to this place. Talking about doubt at a praise meeting is not the best way to make friends. The body of Christ can be very unforgiving.
I woke up and cleaned myself and prepared for the first class of the day and the first class of the week. I did not know the teacher and was unfamiliar with him. The schedule did not list the topic of the message. I did not feel at rest but I was there because I chose to believe that God is in control, even if I do not understand something.
The first message, on the first day was this:
“The Gospel was preached to Abraham in Genesis 22.”
Holiness unto the Lord, blessed be his name forever.
I received an answer to my question.
Matthew 6:31-34 I received the answer to my question and understood it. Seek him first! I broke my fast at the first meal. Fasting past this point no longer had a purpose. I had much to praise and worship the Lord for and a week already set aside for it. I thanked the Lord for the teacher and for sending him to me.
The name of the teacher was Chuck Missler.
Chuck was still at Western Digital when he began to teach in the overflow room at Calvary Chapel. I began to attend those classes and I was there when the Firefighters for Christ began their tape ministry. This was before Koinonia or Khouse was started.
It has been at least twenty years since I have seen Chuck Missler. I have his commentaries on Genesis, Leviticus, Daniel, Ezekiel, and Revelation. I have many others from other teachers and use them all. I find no fault in his teaching in these commentaries. His learn the bible in 24 hours is excellent and I give them away to family and friends. It is easier and has up to date references, because much has been learned and much has happened since the Unger bible handbook was written. I still use the Unger handbook. In fact my old copy contains things that are now removed from the new ones. Mine has a church history section from pages 899-917.
When Chuck speculates, he says so. I still have cassettes on Ezekiel that are twenty years old. I bought the DVD’s when he went through Ezekiel last year. What I found most amazing were areas in which he pointed out changes in his views, different from those that were on the cassettes I owned, because the word of God forced him to change. God is making his word available, because the Holy Spirit chooses it to be so, and we must continue to grow and learn.
I like it when Chuck talks about UFO’s, and weird things. I am a little weird myself and I like to have answers to issues that confront me when people talk. It is a hard thing to biblically find your way through an unusual subject and he does his best. I have benefited from his approach and method of study. His teaching style has remained the same over the years.
I have a history with the man and I love him as a brother. I pray for him. He does not know this story and my testimony, but God does. And know you know it. So, if I ever find him teaching something contrary to scripture, and I do not mean contrary to my opinion, and they are very different things: I will confront him personally. The final decision of his guilt is not for me to make because the scripture does not allow the accuser to be the judge as well. It must be someone else. First and foremost, I will give him the opportunity to defend himself from unsupported accusation. The law demands it and Chuck would agree. We must love our brothers and sisters and treat them as Christ would treat us. The world and many Christians do not act this way. They should.
Caiaphas and the Sanhedrin accused Jesus falsely, they bore false testimony against Jesus, and in violation of Jewish law, put him to death. It was wrong then and it is wrong now to do something similar.
I am not advocating that anytime I disagree with someone, that it gives me the right to challenge them and call them before the elders of the church. When I use the word confront, I do not mean stalking. Everything must be done decently and in order. There are too many mentally ill people wandering around thinking that it is their job to fix everything. They can be dangerous. We must be sober and vigilant in these matters.
I still need to have answers to my questions. I believe in Noah and the Ark. If you think that a study on dinosaurs is not relevant, you are not talking to anyone. I have been studying Genesis 6 for a long time. I have been forced into Cosmology. Is there life out there besides us? Are there UFO”s? Those who believe in UFO’s wonder how I can believe in Jesus Christ. I choose to be able to answer them from the bible as best as I can. The rest is up to God!.
I have no agenda only a testimony.
HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD
Worthy is he to be praised.
Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God Almighty,
Who was, and is and is to come,
Worthy is he to be praised.
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is my friend.
I love him because he first loved me.
He is the Alpha and the Omega,
The beginning and the end,
The first and the last,
King of Kings, and Lord of Lords,
Jesus Christ,
My Lord and my God.
Worthy is he to be praised.
Chuck and Perry are both Freemasons products of the Order of the ages, the “non-luminaries,” exalting what is in man. TBN, God Channel, CTN, CTC, Daystar are satanic without doubt. Their function is to deceive real Believers in Christ while they help set the stage for the man of lawlessness.
The twisting of scripture gives opportunity to slip teachings of the occult. My advice is not to have any lay their hands on you. These are the same that meet and agree with binding oaths speaking against real people of God. These are facts not some theory. I would say to anyone that has an ear to hear what the Holy Spirit is saying, to seek out asking the Father by the blood and in the name of Jesus. If you are serious and are wholeheartedly desiring His perfect will, be prepared for rude awakenings of truth while your beliefs will be challenged with the revealing truth by the Holy Spirit. This will set you on an adventure of being awakened realizing what scriptures really do say. May the grace and peace of the LORD Jesus Christ be on them that fear the Most High God who also sets the stage for His soon coming.
Hi Deborah,
Can you point me to where Chuck Missler has done “Bible Code divination”? I have never heard or seen him do this in any of his materials.
Thanks,
Ron
Hello, this is the first time I have posted to this site. I was raised in the Watchtower religion, otherwise known as Jehovah’s Witnesses and remained in the Cult for 49 years after having been ‘convinced’ that I was in the ‘Truth’ as every JW knows it as. But something deep inside me always felt I was not hearing the whole truth about them and what they believe.
When I first got onto the internet in 1999 the first thing I typed in was Jehovah’s Witnesses and I then realised what a satanic religion I was involved with. Every JW is inculcated with the coming ‘New World’ New World Order’ or ‘New System’ as we often called it.
Whilst doing my research into the history of Watchtower Society I was amazed at how it wa sfounded on freemasonry and the occult.
Russell the founder of the religion used many Enochian magic terminology, like ‘Golden Age’ ‘Millenial Dawn’ and even ‘Watchtower’ and he used the pyramid and the Knight of the Templar cross and crown emblem. He also used the wings and eye of horus symbol as used by Chrysler, Bentley, Mini and other famous marks.
After a while both my wife and I got out of the cult in June 2001 and finally accepted Jesus as our only WAY, TRUTH & LIFE in November 2002.
However the Masonic had affected us both and it was until around a year after we became Born Again that we attended an advanced training seminar of breaking off connections with freemasonry and similar cults. At that seminar as we were renouncing Masonic oaths that may have been spoken by fathers of grandfathers, that I started choking and fell to the floor.
The Lord told me that it was the neck tie that we were commanded to wear at JW meetings and knocking doors. I did not even have a tie on at that seminar and have not worn one since geeting out of the cult.
I know I giving quite a bit about us here, but getting onto the subject of Chuch Missler, I see similar things with him as the JW hierachy. I just cannot listen to him for very long and yet I have some of his CDs and have tried to watch him.
I do aggree with the fallen angels marrying women as that is Biblical and I wa staught that from a child in the WT.
Many of these false prophets/teachers, such as Rick Joyner, Rick Warren, Bob Jones and many others are so cunning.
Since we have been out I have been studying Theology and have had to change much of what I believed as a JW and even since accepting Jesus Christ.
For the past 3 years we have lived in Cyprus and that was only because the Lord gave my wife visions of a place that we did not know at the time. It turned out to be Cyprus, which is a place that my wife never wanted to come to as it gets very hot here and it is 2000 miles from our 2 daughters and 5 Grandchildren in the UK.
However as the Lord sent us here, we now totally trust that he has a purpose for us here. My wife is leading some Cypriot women to trust in the Lord as they are nominal Orthodox Christians and they have many icons and false teachings. But they need the love of Jesus Christ and to know what he really wants from us.
Anyhow I have gone on quite a bit. Our testimonies are on http://www.4jehovah.org and web site for getting JWs and Mormons out of their cults. My testimony is under David and my wife is Christine.
Blessings
David
Ron
If you look at top of the artilce it says so. You can also do your own research on this.
Hi David
Awesome that you escaped JW’s. I see just a few little issues I want to address so that you think about them.
First story is pro-nephilim with angels pregnating women, the second one is my interpretation which honestly I would love to believe is the accurate version. lol
Does the mormon thing I mention in my article make sense to you based on your own personal experience in these cults.?
When you accepted Jesus Christ into your life that is when you were born again. What happened a year later that you think you were born again (after accepting Jesus Christ as your Saviour 1 year prior)?
What advanced training seminar did you attend? Did you know that deliverance from these things is as simple as repenting to Jesus Christ? Don’t need to attend workshops 🙂
Does your wife still have visions?
The name Jehovah? Do you really think that is an appropriate name for God or a false name? see here:
Reply to Deborah. Firstly in answer to your first question. Have you seen the giant human skeletons that have been found in various parts of the World? The lastest are photo’s from Greece and make modern man look like lilliput men? The scripture in Jude talks about these angels forsaking their heavenly dwellings and committing acts that were abnormal, like Homosexulity. Even Man can now create DNA, so I do not put anything past these evil angels.
I am not sure what you mean about the Mormon thing. JWs are totally different to Mormons.
We went to a seminar a year after we were saved. I did not say we were ‘saved again’ I meant we realised what a nasty link we had to the Freemasons, because of being in the WT cult.
We do not accept that getting saved alone can deliver us from the effects of things such as trauma and links to satanistic things when we are young. It is obvious that even as Christians we can still be affected by events that took place when we were young and even older. That is why Paul said we have a war not against flesh and blood, but against the pricipalities of darkness. Peter also warned that satan is like a Lion seeking to devour us.
I know there is no longer any condemnation whilst we are in Christ Romans 8:1, but it is not Yeshua who condemns us, but satan accuses the saints day and night Revelation 12.
Yes Christine still gets visions and her last powerful one was of a mighty hand & arm appearing out of the heavens and what seemed like ants being sucked up into the hand. She said that she could not make out what they were and the Lord brought the arm closer and it was people going up. After a while the arm started to move away and when she looked down the people were turning grey and were waving to get taken up, but the arm went back into the heavens.
By the way the site I mentioned is not our site, but has been set up to attract JWs and Mormons to it, so that they can read the stuff and hopefully get set free.
I do not personally like the name Jehovah as it has Roman Catholic connections, but their Jehovah is false in any case. There is no J in Hebrew or Greek. I prefer the name Yahweh and Yeshua for Jesus Christ.
Blessings
David
I have just had a quick look through the article on Jehovah and tend to agree with what is written. In my unearthing of Freemasonry teachings and various degree’s, it is quite obvious that the name is used by these satanists as a password into the higher levels of the demonic Masonic degree’s.
The name is also combined with Baal and Osiris to form Jah Bu Lon which is the satanic name of God to the Masons.
So the name Jehovah is no longer a nice name as far as I am concerned and makes me cringe when I now hear it spoken out.
Thank God for Yeshua our Lord and King
Blessings
David
Pastor David,
I would be very careful with the dreams and visions. Lately I have heard of women having dreams they assume are prophetic. No disrespect intended, but I have seen folks get involved in this area, place too much emephasis on it and get deceived.
Hello All,
JUst this past week I had a quite heated discussion with a friend, about whether or not we should be “naming and shaming” as she put it. She said her problem with people calling people false teachers or false prophets, is that it’s like brothers fighting, which is not really the case, because the fact that these people preach and teach untruths, is evidence that they are probably not brothers in the Lord.
I feel that there needs to be a caveat here though, because there are some who are saved, but are in the process of being deceived, which will end in their apostasy if someone doesn’t get their attention and get them to be Bereans as they should have been doing, searching the scriptures to check all things.
(Anyone who doesn’t believe true believers can be deceived to such a point will have to explain to me why Jesus and every writer of every book in the New Testament warns against deception and deceivers. If we can’t be deceived to the point of losing our salvation, then all such warnings are pointless, because they are warning us against something that can never happen. I don’t believe Jesus or the Holy Spirit are in the business of wasting time and effort warning us of something that can’t ever happen.)
There are others, such as Rick Warren, et al, who are actually either apostate, or so deceived they are incapable of hearing the Truth. Either way they are NOT brethren.
I have spent a week thinking and praying and reading, seeking a way of getting the message across (no, MY message, not E. Peterson’s blasphemous tome), and the Lord showed me something, which shows absolutely a logical reason why we MUST speak out and identify false teachers, preachers, and prophets, etc. I have written a statement, then a logical series of questions:-
1. In many places in scripture these false ones are called ‘Wolves’ (usually in sheep’s clothing).
2. What do wolves do to sheep and why would they dress themselves in sheep’s clothing?
3. What are shepherds supposed to do if and when they discover a wolf in amongst the flock (with a fleecy overcoat or otherwise)?
4. How much consideration should the shepherd give the wolf, if any?
5. If the shepherd does NOT take the appropriate action, what does God’s Word say of him?
Let’s answer the questions and see where we end up:-
2. Wolves eat sheep and the fleece cloak is to allow them to get close enough to do so in peace.
3. Kill or drive off the wolf (or wolves)
4. According to this illustration, NONE. ( Of course there MAY be some hope of converting the wolf, but that would be way down the list of priorities. The sheep and their safety come first)
5. God calls shepherds who allow harm of any sort to come to the flock; “Hirelings”, and has very harsh things to say to them.
There are just a few more things that can be said here, it is loving to hear or see someone heading off the path of doctrinal purity and say nothing because that would be ‘judgemental’?
There are two aspects to this; firstly, the preacher who is straying into heresy needs someone to pull him back onto the path, before it’s too late.
Supposing you went to someone and told them that you had made some bad choices and landed in a fix and they turned ’round and said; “Well I knew that this would be the end result of your choices, way back when.” Would you say; “Thankyou so much for being so caring and non-judgemental!”, or would you not say; “Why on earth didn’t you TELL me I was heading for trouble?”
Then there are the members of the congregation, who are being led astray by their deceptive/deceived pastor.
If a friend came to you and said that they’d been conned out of all their money and you said; “Well I knew that guy was a crook from the get-go.” I’m betting your friendship would take a pretty big nosedive!
In fact, I don’t think they’d regard you as any sort of friend!
Nobody likes to be the bearer of bad news. Also, nobody likes to be the one to have to tell another person they have made mistakes in their life, but these are vitally important requirements for a Christian.
I have deliberately NOT put in any texts, because I believe that in this instance, it’s better that you (whoever you may be), look up ALL the relevant scriptures yourselves. I find that I learn more from the Lord when I have to dig for the texts on a subject myself.
God bless,
Alan.
“If you look at top of the artilce it says so. You can also do your own research on this.”
If you don’t mind, I’d really like a specific quote showing where he has done “Bible code divination”. I’m willing to bet you won’t find one because to the best of my knowledge, he has never done it. I HAVE “done my own research”…I’ve listened to well over 600 hours of his audio materials and have read 5 or 6 books written by either him or his wife. The only time he has ever talked about Bible codes in any way, shape, or form has been to show that the Scripture is provably designed in ways that can’t be accidental and in ways that can’t be replicated by human (or even computer) means…therefore this is evidence that they must be directly inspired by God. He has never used Bible codes for any doctrinal purpose and he certainly hasn’t used them for any kind of divination. In fact, he speaks aggressively against much of the “Bible code nonsense”…especially the stuff that tries to use them for divination or other forms of predicting the future. He makes it very clear that there is a ton of dangerous nonsense that has been written about Bible codes in that context and that we as Christians shouldn’t be involved in that stuff. I’d be happy to proven wrong if you can provide me with a direct quote from any of his materials rather than second-hand libel by others (that also don’t provide any evidence for their claims.) Please note that I’m not saying that you are being libelous, but rather those that you are quoting.
It also seems that you haven’t really done much research on his book Alien Encounters since it has absolutely nothing to do with an “Occult fascination with UFOs” as you claim. It is written to appeal to New Age types and it proves that UFOs aren’t alien, but rather are demonic. It was written during the height of UFO-mania in the 90s (Independence Day, Men in Black, X-Files, Taken, etc were all very big at the time) as a way to counter all the nonsense from a Biblical Christian perspective. If you would take the time to read just a few of the reviews on Amazon, you would see a number of people that were upset because they got several chapters into the book before realizing that it was “pushing a Christian ‘agenda'”…in other words, it is designed to reach New Agers who DO have an “Occult fascination with UFOs.”
I’d highly recommend that you “do your own research on this” rather than taking what others have written about Missler as unquestionably valid. I’d also politely recommend that you please be a little more careful before accusing the brethren in the future.
In Christ,
Ron
Alan,
Thanks for your post. I have been wrestling with this issue for some time. I have always been taught once saved always saved, but I do no see that taught strait out in the Word. You have to make inferences. Like you said, God is always warning about deception and warning not to deny Him. If you deny me before men, I will deny you before the Father.
I was in Hebrews this morning and the fact that Essau sold his birthright really stuck out to me. How is that possible to sell your birthright? He gave up his rights as a firstborn son. So people will say, how can you become unborn, once you have been born again. I can’t explain it either, but then how could Essau sell his birthright? Also, how can someone deny Christ if they never knew Him.
The bottom line for me is that no one “loses” their salvation, they despise their birthright and the result is that they lose their inheritance. They don’t value the promises that are found only by faith in Christ and turn exchange their birthright for other things.
We think that Essau was so silly to trade his precious birthright for some stew, but he was hungry. Many are hungry for power, wealth, influence, or just comfort and they value those things more than the riches that are found only in Christ.
I am not saying that you will go back and forth saved, then unsaved, then saved again. It is not how much we sin or how many times, but only that we continue trusting in Christ for forgiveness of our sin. If you continue in unrepentant sin, you will come to a point that you will turn away from God, and once you reach this point, you will never come back. We don’t know how long this process might take, but we must stay walkng close to the Lord so as not to find out, trusting in his mighty power to keep us afe from the enemy of our souls.
If you were walking along a path next to a cliff, the wise person would stay as far away as possible, the foolish person would try to walk as close to the edge without falling off. In other words this is why it is so important to humble ourselves constantly and at the first indication of sin, to repent and turn to Christ for strength to resist temptation. Willful sin, will lead to apostasy.
Yes I know exactly what you mean. Christine did not ask for visions and in fact when we were WT adherents we did not accept any of the gifts were from God. We were cessationists as we now know them as.
Chris got her first vision just like a DVD being played before her and it was of a Watchtower on a hill and suddenly cracks started to appear in it and then stones started rolling out. Then she noticed a very bright yellowish light shining right down into the top of the tower and the light was shining out of the cracks and from where the stones had rolled out of.
That was prophetic and now we see many JWs coming out and the Lord is shining his light into a dark satanic place.
Also the only reason we now live in Cyprus, is because of visions that she had, which showed a tunnel, red earth, fast straight road, driving on the left hand side, like we did in the UK. She saw Cedar tree’s and Sandstone Villa’s and complexes.
Also she detested Cyprus when we first came in 1995, so it definately was not because she liked the place. We also have 2 daughters and the oldest had been diagnosed with Lung Lymphoma only a year before. We also have 5 grandkids.
Chris never wanted to emigrate either. However I saw an advert with Cyprus properties advertised and that was only about 3 months after she had the visions in 2006. I was nudged to go to the Cyprus property expo even though Chris said do not even think about Cyprus.
But when I brought the brochures back, she recognised the buildings were the same as the visions.
We now live here and Chris has actually led a German woman to the Lord and some young Cypriot women now love and know the Real Jesus, instead of an icon.
So when she gets visions they are for a reason.
The Lord told us to listen to HIS voice and that is why he always gives her a scripture afterwards. The scripture that went with those visions was Isaiah 58 and it answered her every doubt whether it was from the Lord or not.
God Bless you all
David
Alan, I say a big AMEN to your comments – good words – but I would differ on one point. That of eternal security of the believer. Yes,the warnings in the Bible are for believers to not be led astray. However, I do not believe the Bible supports the premise that TRUE believers will lose their salvation for being deceived.
We did not earn our salvation and we cannot maintain or keep it. Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our faith. Believers who stray either into sin or false doctrine don’t get off scott-free. There are consequences. Children of God are chastened and there will be a loss of rewards and tears at the Bema Seat.
When Christ saved us He knew all of actions from birth to death and He still received us into the Beloved. The Church parallels with God and Israel. Israel was disobedient but God has not abandoned them. He will keep His covenant with Israel and He will keep the New Covenant with each and every TRUE believer whom He has SEALED unto redemption. We didn’t deserve redemption and we don’t deserve eternal life – it is only by God’s unmerited favor – the ultimate grace that we are saved. Only God knows the heart of everyone who is deceived or has fallen into sin – whether or not they are sealed. We only see the exterior.
I have seen so many who are not assured of their salvation that they live in fear of crossing that imaginary line that they don’t live for God.
Thank you brother for your exhortations and defense of the truth!
Ron
Can I gently smack you over the head with a rolled up newspaper? http://www.khouse.org/topical_bible_study/biblecodes/ That took me all of 3 seconds to google for. I can only imagine how difficult it is for you too open your bible.
Ron
Oh by the way: Please read all comments under this section, especially the one where Dave Hunt has personally questioned Chuck and his wife on their new book which totally undermines what the bible says.
But besides all that… he is linking the earth via satellite which IS THE MAIN POINT OF THIS ARTICLE and is happy to be supported by the UN; a LUCIFERIAN organisation, which he knows fully what they are about.
Love your comment that his books on UFO’s are “designed to reach New Agers who DO have an “Occult fascination with UFOs.” hahaha yeah, nice try. Maybe Chuck should read his own book designed to reach occultist who partner with the UN, who earlier personally funded the first microchip to be made, and will have you satellite linked sooner than you can ‘I won’t take the chip, Chuck’.
PS, I also POLITELY recommend you be more careful before judging me. ok? so glad we understand each other.
David
When exactly did your wife get her first vision? Before or after you attened that place (sorry I can’t remember what you called it) where you renounced the JW stuff.
Alan
Yip, I agree with BL. We had a wholeeeeeee discussion on eternal security over here: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/05/03/eternal-security-genuinely-saved-always-saved/
The first question that has to be asked when it comes to this is: Is the person saved to start off with?. Many say they are saved, but it’s just a label – so yes they can lose it cos they never had it in the first place. But once you are really saved, you are secure. If you do sin, you will suffer the consequences oh yes, AND God will bring you back, oh yes.
I must add this also, something I never said before. When as a young Christian, we stumble and the lessons we learn are tough ones, and we are convited by the Holy Spirit and we always repent (BECAUSE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT ABIDES IN US). As we grow and learn we will stumble less and less. We will never be perfect but our faith and love for Jesus strengthens and nothing, no one will pluck you from His hand.
Wow, I go out of my way to make sure my questions and comments come across as respectfully as possible and to make sure that I’m not being rude or accusatory…in response I get comments like “I can only imagine how difficult it is for you to open your Bible” and told that I’m judging you. Alrighty then. Talk about judgments and making assumptions. Have a nice day.
In Christ,
Ron
P.S. – By the way, I still don’t see anything related to “divination” in that link that it took you 3 seconds to find on Google.
Ron
No 1) The bible code IS divination. If it was biblical the Rabbi that found it via use of computers would have dropped to his knees and be born again. So would the atheist who wrote the first book on the Bible Code. Last I checked he is still an atheist. So much for the Bible Code. I do however know the Bible, the Word of God (written in plain language, no hidden meanings or secrets gets people saved left, right and centre.
No 2) You said, “I’d also politely recommend that you please be a little more careful before accusing the brethren in the future.” So you did accuse me. But worst is, who in the bible is mentioned as the accuser of brethren? Maybe next time word your sentences a little differently so that it sounds like you are not calling me Satan.
If you can dish out the judgement and accuse me then you should be able to take it eh?
Im coming in here late, but want to say I’ve posted on this matter:
http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2010/08/christians-discerning-truth-about-chuck.html
BB
It’s never too late. Thanks. I am still to look at your site. I am bad, you may reprimand me.
Deborah, you may want to take a look at BB’s site. You are listed as a link along with Lighthouse Trails. The site is a real mixed bag. Some links are anti-pretrib and some other stuff that just didn’t set right with my spirit. You can form your own opinion, but I am just giving you a heads up to check it out for yourself.
Burning Lamp, what did you find wrong with my website? Be specific, email me if you want.
Deborah I hope you do get a chance to see it. Thanks.
BB
Not yet, but will try asap. I have a good reason – having some painfull pc problems, nothing is going my way the last few weeks.
Praying your pc problems are fixed. I was kind of surprised at what was said about my blog. I was Pre-Trib for a long time and wrote this about it: {I do not consider it a salvation issue}.
http://galatiansfour.blogspot.com/2010/06/leaving-pre-trib-position-behind.html
BB. I replied on another thread. I don’t mean to be disagreeable, but there were some concerns. There was some really good stuff on your site, but the links except for DTW and LHT of course had some problems.
Grace and Peace to you!
BB, you are correct that one’s eschatology is not a salvation issue. However, the view is important in one’s Christian walk. Our view of the endtimes affects every aspect of our lives. I have studied the various viewpoints for many years and always come back to the Pretrib.
The view of Marvin Rosenthal should be debunked rather than promoted. I suggest you read this well-done and balanced critique of the Pre-Wrath position. http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/proph/prewrath.htm
One thing I have noticed about many who try to refute the Pre-trib position is that they are quite harsh and bash rather than discuss.
Grace and peace to you.
It’s a doctinal issue. Depending which eschatology you choose makes you one foot roman catholic or both feet Biblical. Rapture = Biblical. No rapture = every religion except Christianity!