Compromisers – Do Not Let Him Into Your Home

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Guilt by association does not go down well with people who like to mingle with other people who happily accept false teaching – especially when they know the person they are befriending is not Christian.

In the Ecumenical worldview you are supposed to ‘show grace’ to everyone non-stop no matter how much they twist the Gospel of Jesus Christ to suit their desires.

The idea behind this notion is that if you don’t continue to show acceptance to someone of another faith you will never get them to accept Christ.  Sounds great and works well if you are in nursery school.  But when you grow up, you realise that this is a complete and utter fallacy.

Mankind is wicked and mankind will never change. So for mankind to be ‘nice’ and ‘merciful’ and ‘loving’ to fellow mankind is an utter joke.  And anyone who thinks this is even remotely achievable must surely be joking.  The Bible says man is wicked, mankind’s heart is wicked and the path is narrow.  That few will follow Jesus Christ and many will follow after false Christs who teach false doctrines.

The new age Christian gospel is: 

  • If you smile and speak nice words to others and mention you are a Christian you will be seen to be a nice, loving Christian person.
  • Do not tell someone that what they believe is wrong – this is not Christian.
  • Do not offend anyone by telling them something they don’t want to hear.
  • Do not preach the genuine gospel of Jesus Christ (the full message of salvation and repentance of sin) as this will chase people away – if people run away, you can’t convert them to Christ.
  • The whole point of new age Christianity is that you want to keep the person as close a friend as possible to convert them to your way of thinking.
  • If you are always the ‘nice’ one, no one can ever fault you for being in the wrong.
  • All faiths have a common denominator and that is the New Age Christ.
  • Always agree to disagree.
  • If your statement of faith sounds good then the person or church is 100% Christian.
  • You have to be accountable to someone ‘human’.  So first man, second God.
  • Always make sure you can give the name of a person or church you are accountable too – so they can vouch for your Christ-likeness.
  • Do not think that Jesus Christ counts as someone to be accountable too, or preaching the correct gospel for that matter.
  • Never ever warn anyone about someone who once seemed Christian and is now teaching false doctrine and leading people astray.
  • Warning is a good work, so is repentance of sin.  Building bridges is not a good work, it’s just hard work, like following Christ.
  • And you can’t be held accountable for mingling with false teachers and ungodly people, because associating and agreeing with someone who is non-Christian is just not biblical.  It’s called love.

2 John 1:9-11

 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.  10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;   11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.

So how does one overcome this problem of being guilty by association.  Well, it’s simple.  You say, ‘I no longer agree that this person speaks the truth, and I no longer support them.’

If you made a mistake and were once upon a time fooled by someone proclaiming to be Christian and it turned out they weren’t, you speak out and say;  ‘Yes, I was fooled, but I saw the error, I repented to Jesus for disobeying Him  and I no longer want anything to do with this person.’  etc, etc, etc.  Simple.

We are all prone to deception.  If we say we can’t be deceive then we probably are.   We have too constantly be on the lookout for thieves.  Some thieves comes dressed in slightly more expensive sheep’s clothing than others.  This makes it a bit more difficult to spot the lose stitching.  But give it time and they come undone.  They always do.

We forgive these people and we move on.  We don’t continue to invite them over for supper in the hope they change their minds. One can ask Jesus for forgiveness of ones error at any time or place and sometimes outside the front door is a good place to start.

We all make mistakes, but a genuine Christian will realise our error (with the conviction of the Holy Spirit) /we admit it (mostly ashamed) / we repent (we have asked Jesus to forgive us for disobeying Him)  / we don’t do it again because we love Jesus Christ.

The wolf makes a mistake / he is caught / he repents to the public / he changes his shaggy sheep outfit to new sheep outfit and carries on as before.  Example:  Benny Hinn has repented a few times for major things he has done, like stealing money and preaching false teaching.  But did he change his ways?  No.

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Deborah Ellish is the author of the above article. Discerning the World is an internet Christian Ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa. Tom Lessing and Deborah Ellish both own Discerning the World. For more information see the About this Website page below the comments section.

44 Responses

  1. Elmarie A says:

    Thank you DTW.

  2. David says:


    I might fall into the grace is more powerful than truth camp but hear me out anyway.
    Jesus was continually confounding the law hungry religious who defined their doctrine in tight set ungraceful ways. He annoyed them enough to get himself on the cross. I believe Christian’s can very quickly take on the same wall building mentality of those Jesus spoke most harshly against. Jesus won people over by grace not law. It is also very easy to judge others as sinful etc. and show very little regard in changing ones own ways. I just feel Christianity has damaged the world enough with its Crusades and its Apartheid accepting ways to warrant any more wall building us-them attitudes. We ought to be those confessing to others of how badly and how un-Christlike we have have treated them… David

  3. David

    >> I just feel Christianity has damaged the world enough with its Crusades and its Apartheid accepting ways to warrant any more wall building us-them attitudes.

    Really? Who said this ‘Christianity’ was Christian? I certainly don’t see it to be Christian. So your entire argument is based on nothing. Therefore we do not need a new way of doing things or a new Christianity like Brian McLaren so urges. Because there was nothing wrong REAL Christianity in the first place. Jesus Christ is perfect, Jesus’ gospel is Perfect, man corrupted Christianity. To say that Christianity has damaged the world enough makes you anti-

    And Jesus won people over because they saw HE WAS THE SON OF GOD and fell on their knees and REPENTED OF THEIR SIN.

  4. Pete says:

    I agree that we should distance ourselves from false teachers.
    This is a word in season as many, many believers are going to be faced with the choice, compromise or split?

    There is a Biblical procedure based on the Prophecy of Hosea. outlines it very well in the article “Plead with your Mother, Plead”

    Helps put stuff into perspective.

    BTW I would like to link to Discerning the World from my Website if thats ok.

    God bless

  5. Amanda says:


    I just feel I do not know your Jesus. Jesus Christ, God in human flesh, preached the Sermon on the Mount. That is Law, not Grace.

    The emergents would love to converse with you about a gentler Christianity that the world would love. Christians are not interested.

    I believe the word you were looking for was “Pharisee”.

  6. Thanks Pete for your comment. And yip you can link, link awaaaayyy.

  7. Amanda

    >> I believe the word you were looking for was “Pharisee”.

    Oh that was the word I could not figure out LOL

  8. David says:


    The NT, especially the sermon on the mount is a whole new take on law and grace and grace is the most fundamental aspect of it. Read Ephesians. The beatitudes in Matthew 5 says God will bless those who are gentle and lowly, those who are merciful. We are called to love our enemies in the Sermon on the Mount, not to take revenge etc. I do not trash law and neither did Jesus but Jesus defined what the true motive of the law was… Love God and Love your neighbour as yourself. Our neighbours are those who don’t think like us or act us like. I would hope Grace and Truth would work together for the glory of God, but if we have not love for the world, that is all people, the people that God created, I dare say we are on the wrong track.

  9. David

    Truth IS Love. Jesus is the way, the TRUTH and the Life. If you don’t tell the truth then you don’t love. You already said “I might fall into the grace is more powerful than truth camp but hear me out anyway.”

    So you will smile and not tell the truth at the same time. We do hear you.

  10. Amanda says:


    but if we have not love for the world, that is all people, the people that God created, I dare say we are on the wrong track.

    You have nailed it. So, how are you doing with keeping God’s Law?

  11. Seeing as though Louis Blignout wont post his emails as I asked him to do, I will do it for him as I told him I would.

    2010/2/25 Louis Blignaut

    Sien jy is Engels en Afrikaans.

    Baie interessante webwerf. Ek sien myself in die moderne idioom as ‘n “funametalis”. Merk iets daarvan by jou ook op maar sien nerens ‘n sg “statement of faith” of iets dergliks om te weet waar jy staan nie.

    Jy tree anoniem op of is ek verkeerd ?

    Louis Blignaut

    Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 2:22 PM
    To: Louis Blignaut
    Subject: Re: Blog indentiteit

    Hi louis

    Is a statement of faith going to seal the deal for you that I am a born again Christian? It can’t. Many copy and paste statements of faith that sound absolutely brilliant and when you read their websites after a few pages it’s clear that what they believe is different to their statement of faith.

    When you meet ‘Christians’ at church do you ask them for their statement of faith or do you just presume that because they are at the same chuch as you that you must both believe in the same Jesus Christ? Nope. Impossible to tell unless you listen to what they have to say and this will ultimately explain what they really believe.

    In fact my blog provides more info than any statement of faith could ever provide. Read what I write about and let the Holy Spirit in you confirm that I speak the truth based on the Word of God, or don’t read it. Having said all that, you are to test what I say against the Word of God. I can’t convince you, only the Holy Spirit in you (if you are truly saved) will testify that I am born again.

    My name is Deborah. That’s all anyone needs to know. I get enough hate email and rude comments to stay anonymous (in person). I don’t really care to know who you are (and by “don’t care” I mean that in a nice way).

    And technically I do not like the term fundamentalist, I see it as an insult to be honest. The gospel of Jesus Christ is not a cult. Born again Christians are called this name by non-christians. I understand what you mean however, but don’t take this name as something to classify yourself by.


    On 26 February 2010 16:23, Louis Blignaut

    You are right that people do not necessarily keep to their statement of faith because it is normally very general statements. I do agree that the ultimate test is the guidance of the Holy Spirit. I however disagree that it does not “seal the deal”. There are a few key Christian faith principles which if declared will at least tell people where you stand for example the Trinity, virgin birth ,resurrection of Christ. Even the Apostles’ Creed will suffice. People do not have the time to work through all your comment to find out what you agree or disagree.

    I suppose you have a few co workers because the sheer quantity of the material presented can not be done by one person.
    I also get the idea that you also value certain people’s views highly because certain comments you make look like copy and paste comments from other apologetics. With this approach you indentify yourselves anyway with certain people and their ‘general statement of faith’

    I also note that you receive many comments that you “throw the baby with the bath water” if you know the expression. In your apologetics there should be a difference between discerning mistakes made by genuine born again Christians (where reprimanding is adequate and done personally and not publically unless they do not listen) and outright false prophets and teachers which we should oppose.

    You probably get so much hate speech that it has influenced your tone of speech as well. Please see the difference the way Jesus dealt with Peter, the disciples, Judas, Pilatus and lastly the Pharisees when he addressed their iniquities.

    Louis Blignaut

    to: Louis Blignaut
    date: 26 February 2010 20:46
    subject Re: Blog identities


    I am solid on ALL Christian principles. So is Rick Warren last time I checked. I’ll put up a statement of faith for you and then everyone can come and comment and disagree with me anyhow.

    >> (where reprimanding is adequate and done personally and not publicly unless they do not listen)

    Ag nee Louis come now…”Matt 18″ loaded language. I am sure that every person who has the ability to preach falsely has the ability to know they are false and has been spoken too before. Or must people run after you an tell you are constantly going in the wrong direction. (And by ‘you’ I don’t mean you, but people in general).

    Why don’t you comment on my blog instead. It’s very public where everyone can see what you have to say.

    Thank for insinuating I am a pharisee with such a nice tone. And awesome justification for hate email. I suppose having ‘nice’ emails like yours changes everything. I suppose your new tone is a welcome change to the old tone of the comments on my blog lol. Beggars can’t be choosers. I will sleep better tonight knowing this. sighs.

    I will post your comment on line. I am quite clear in my conditions that I reserve to to post emails online . Consider the comments section like a virtual version of meeting you ‘in person’. Like one massive coffee shop where your audience is not just the persuasive type you invited to meet in private and ‘rebuke’ without anyone seeing it.

    I’ll let you know which article I posted your comment under. Or would you just go pick an article and post it yourself and save me time. Oh wait, I think the ‘don’t let him into your house’ article is perfect for this discussion. You can even use another name. How about that? No really you can come on as LB or whatever post your first email to me with my reply and your reply with this reply. Maybe get some exposure for your ministry.

    Lastly, I am gifted with the memory the size of an elephant, it can sometimes be a bit of a problem for some people when I have massive memory recall.

    My statement of faith: The Word of God WITH every basic and huge fundamental contained therein.

    Education: Can read and write.

    Achievements: Managing to sleep after reading how much the world has been deceived on a daily basis.

    Hobbies: Wondering how ‘Pastors’ actually got as far as they have, studying for so long as they did, with no one speaking to them or ‘dialoguing’ with them in all that time about the truth. Oh that’s Matthew 18 in case you did not notice.

    But let’s forget about men warning you and take this wayyyy further than that – let’s take Matt 18 to a spiritual level. Where is the Holy Spirit in your life and when will you start listening to what He has to say.

    I’ll give you until tomorrow to post all of this under the article I mentioned: Just imagine I am from the the Kerkbode or something and this is front page news.

    And please don’t get all upset with me. If this was a raging debate at some national forum I would be saying the EXACT same things. No holds barred and the huffing and puffing would echo through the halls of all theology faculties.

    I love being transparent with the words I speak, don’t you?

    Happy commenting.


    Oh I only start deleting comments after around 20 or so.. so you are quite safe air all your views 😉

    I have let Louis know his emails are right where I asked him to paste them. I have just presumed he is really busy and that is why he has not replied and has not had the time to come and comment out in the open.

    to Louis Blignaut
    date 3 March 2010 12:11
    subject Re: Blog identities

    Your emails are online under the article below. I have used your real name and obmitted your email address.

    Right Louis, come comment out in the open. I doth waiteth in anticipation.

    PS, let me know if you know Angus ok? Cos everyone seems to know Angus really well.

  12. cecilia says:

    ek’s in die duister! wat is: moderne idioom as ‘n “funametalis”? Afrikaans/Engelse verduideliking sal waardeer word.

  13. Amanda says:

    Louis wrote:

    Please see the difference the way Jesus dealt with Peter, the disciples, Judas, Pilatus and lastly the Pharisees when he addressed their iniquities.

    Let’s see. Peter:

    But he turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance to me. For you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man.” (Matthew 16:23)

    The disciples:

    Afterward he appeared to the eleven themselves as they were reclining at table, and he rebuked them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they had not believed those who saw him after he had risen. (Mark 16:14)


    Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the Twelve? And yet one of you is a devil.” He spoke of Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the Twelve, was going to betray him.
    (John 6:70-71)


    Jesus answered him, “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above. Therefore he who delivered me over to you has the greater sin.” (John 19:11)

    The Pharisees:

    “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. For you neither enter yourselves nor allow those who would enter to go in. [Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows’ houses and for a pretense you make long prayers; therefore you will receive the greater condemnation.] Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourselves. “Woe to you, blind guides, who say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it is nothing, but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.’ You blind fools! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that has made the gold sacred? And you say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it is nothing, but if anyone swears by the gift that is on the altar, he is bound by his oath.’ You blind men! For which is greater, the gift or the altar that makes the gift sacred? So whoever swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. And whoever swears by the temple swears by it and by him who dwells in it. And whoever swears by heaven swears by the throne of God and by him who sits upon it. “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. You blind guides, straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel! “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and the plate, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and the plate, that the outside also may be clean. “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people’s bones and all uncleanness. So you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness. “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and decorate the monuments of the righteous, saying, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ Thus you witness against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers. You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?
    (Matthew 23:13-33)

    To unbelievers:

    He said to them, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.” (John 8:23-24)

    Louis said:

    and outright false prophets and teachers which we should oppose

    Could you name some of the false prophets and teachers in South Africa?

  14. Mark Penrith says:

    Hi Cecila,

    I think you asked for a definition of “funametalis”? In English, fundamentalism was a reactionary to liberal theology. It holds to the following,

    1. the inerrancy of the Bible,
    2. Sola Scriptura,
    3. the virgin birth of Christ,
    4. the doctrine of substitutionary atonement,
    5. the bodily resurrection of Jesus,
    6. and the imminent personal return of Jesus Christ

    Um, was that a question? And is this an answer?

  15. Mark Prenrith

    You just can’t stay away…

    Anyhow, your answer to the question is rather hystertical considering you found 10 reasons to adore Mary on Christmas day, Meditate over Pslams in quiet little places, and are full blown Emergent.

    You know fully well what Cecila meant by her question to Louis. Your little game is lame. Oh I am a poet and I didn’t even know it. Hey you should go to that PPP website.

  16. Mark Penrith says:


    Is there something incorrect with what I’ve written?

  17. cecilia says:

    Mark P: my question is (i’ll put it in English) What was meant by “modern idiom of fundamentalist”? (Louis B wrote: Ek sien myself in die moderne idioom as ‘n “funametalis” – so I think this is the English? thanks – wrong answer..

  18. PPP is an emergent website where all those who find common ground with other faiths can go and mingle:

  19. Alan Heron says:

    Hello, I am new to this blog and my first post has yet to be moderated, but I felt I had to respond to certain comments above about how Jesus related to people and whether or not He erred on the side of grace.
    Firstly, Jesus never even attempted to “Win people over”, He proclaimed the Truth with authority and people either accepted and acted on His words, or they didn’t. According to the Gospels, Jesus didn’t “win over” many people at all. (Pity He didn’t have the PDC program to help Him make His ministry a success) ;-p
    His preaching invariably began with the word ‘repent’ and as far as I can see, He never told an audience of unbelievers that He loved them. Jesus bluntly told the disciples that He had come to bring division, not unity, and that they were to shake the dust off their feet as they left a house or city that rejected the call to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand. We are told by the writer, that Jesus loved the rich young ruler in Mark chapter 10, but Jesus never actually SAID that to the young man, why? He never called after him and said; “Please don’t leave, if you only knew how much I love you, you’d comply with my instructions in a second. Why don’t I try and put it in nicer language, that isn’t so threatening and confrontational? Maybe then you’ll agree to follow me?”
    As has been shown here already, Jesus didn’t mince words when dealing with deception, or false declarations, but called a spade, a spade.
    Many people remember these words of Jesus to the adulterous woman; “Neither do I condemn you,..” , but few recall that His next words were: “Go and SIN no-more.” Jesus never used a euphemism, when a perfectly good word like SIN, or ADULTERY, or FALSE TEACHER, existed already.
    Did He love people? Absolutely! But He was a straight shooter for sure!

  20. Alan

    I think you are safe for now to not have any of your comments moderated 😉 lol

  21. Alan Heron says:

    Why Thankyou Deborah,
    I appreciate that! 😉
    May I say too that I like your sense of irony, or sarcasm if you will. Although most ‘Christians’ today wouldn’t agree, I can find plenty of Biblical accounts of men of God and God Himself using the same ‘tone’, when speaking against foolishness. OH No! Now I’ve gone and used hate speech!
    Oh well, you can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs, as they say.
    Seriously, keep up the good work.
    God bless you and your house(s),

  22. Spliff512 says:

    To Alan,

    I was puzzled by your comment that Jesus “invariably” (doesn’t that mean almost always?) began His teachings with the word repent. I have a Bible where Jesus’s Words are marked in red, but I can’t find even one teaching that He began using the word repent. Are you confusing Jesus with John the Baptist?

    What I do read in the Words of Jesus is a complete disdain for those thought they had a lock on the truth and were so secure in their self righteous religious beliefs that they felt justified in scornfully judging others from their assumed position of superiority.

    The Pharisee’s were nothing to make light of when it came to following what was apparently God’s Will as it was written. They were heavy duty doers of the Law. Practically perfect. Practically.

    Of course, the point is that it wasn’t enough. We still need Jesus to pay the price for man’s fall, in order for the Love of God to be shed abroad in our hearts. That Love is one thing the Pharisees were short on.

    Their “religious” convictions prevented them from seeing the error of their thinking and the hardness of their heart. They felt righteous and justified as God’s chosen. They were also the very ones who did not repent, and who openly rejected Jesus.

    Blindness to the truth is an inevitable by-product of assuming one already knows everything.

  23. Spliff512

    You follow Chuck Missler and Joyce Meyer… I don’t think you have the right to point a finger at Alan regarding bllindness.

    Lest we forget that your nickname is that of a marijuana joint.

  24. Burning Lamp says:

    Spliff, the Bible is our “lock on the truth”. It is the measure, and no one here thinks they know everything. It is the Word of God that is the measure of what is truth and what is error.

    Your comments are typical of those who like to call those who expose error Pharisees. You should study your Bible and see just who the Pharisees were before you start labeling the people here.

    It is the loving thing to do to expose error and often it requires exposing the teaching of favored and popular teachers. No one is judging the hearts, only examining the fruit to see if it is edible or rotten. If someone was eating rotten fruit would you not feel compelled to warn them as it would make them sick?

  25. Word Publish says:

    Burning Lamp

    It is the loving thing to do to expose error and often it requires exposing the teaching of favored and popular teachers. No one is judging the hearts, only examining the fruit to see if it is edible or rotten. If someone was eating rotten fruit would you not feel compelled to warn them as it would make them sick?

    That will be a difficult point to understand for people like Spliff512. He seems to be very anti discernment and warning people about apostasy. If one can support some one like Joyce Meyer and think they preach the truth the situation is indeed dire. We can only pray the scales fall of these peoples eyes before it is too late.

  26. Burning Lamp says:

    ElMarie, sad but true. I just wanted to hopefully enlighten this person as to the purpose for discernment. Something brought him/her to this site and maybe, just maybe they might take away something to chew on. Call me an eternal optomist! 🙂

  27. Elmarie A says:

    Burning Lamp

    ElMarie, sad but true. I just wanted to hopefully enlighten this person as to the purpose for discernment. Something brought him/her to this site and maybe, just maybe they might take away something to chew on. Call me an eternal optomist! 🙂

    And we must endure with the truth BL yippers you are correct. The road is soooo Narrow and it is so easy to take the wide road. Nothing wrong with being an eternal optomist :-))
    It is sad to know that those who are being deceived will be even more deceived.
    as I read the following verses:

    2 Thessalonians 2:11 (Amplified Bible)
    11 Therefore God sends upon them a misleading influence, a working of error and a strong delusion to make them believe what is false,

    But then those who perseveres and endures to the end the reward is beyond comprehension, there is none like it !!! We can only embrace the truth and discard the lies. Jesus is the only way to truth.

    Matthew 10:22
    And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake, but he who perseveres and endures to the end will be saved [ from spiritual disease and death in the world to come].

  28. spliff512 says:


    There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. Proverbs 14:12

    It is obvious that your way seems right to you. God knows if it really is.

    Before you delete my comments, please tell me who is teaching the rightly divided Word of God today? Does any one meet with your approval? I like your advice to read the Bible but people still need help with their understanding.

    I don’t follow Chuck Missler or Joyce Meyer. As a born again Christian who has been blessed with the Gift of the Holy Spirit, I can discern spirits, but I still owe a great deal of gratitude to those countless men and women who have dedicated their lives to studying and teaching God’s Word, even if they are not perfect in their understanding.

    My objection is that in your “zeal” you misrepresent facts and make false accusations. That is by definition false witness and slander.

    You crusade against deception, but in doing so you are also being deceived and deceiving others. The fact that you focus on trivial points, ignore my questions, fixate on my name and insult me just because I questioned incongruities in your accusations against Chuck Missler speaks volumes.

    Did it ever occur to you that you are under the influence an accusing spirit, finding fault with others and are yourself being deceived into believing that you are right with God just because of your doctrine? That is pride, and pride is not what pleases God.

    It also negates the fact that our salvation is based on our faith in Jesus Christ the Son of God because He paid the price for our salvation, when He was crucified, died and was raised from the dead to sit at the Right Hand of the Father, and will come again in Glory in reign forever.

    There is much apostasy in the world. That is unfortunately not exactly new. We were warned of wolves coming in by Peter and Paul. That was in the first century. Your site raises real concerns, but Jesus is still Lord.

  29. Spliff

    Therefore, your way must be right, if you insist I am wrong. This is called a Stalemate. What I do love about 99% of the commenters on this blog is that I am wrong but everyone else is right. I am the nasty one, but you can say what you like to me, insult me, you name it, but that’s ok, you are RIGHT after all. Hence you can say what you like, judge me, and I must just fall down and beg you for mercy. Well no Spliffy. I stand by what I write 100000%. You seem confused.

    Regarding understanding the Bible there is ONLY ONE who can help you with this and that is Jesus Christ. When you are saved, born again, the Holy Spirit will come to abide in you. He, the Holy Spirit is the one who gives you ALL understanding of scripture. That is why Joyce and Chuck can read the bible (they can read you know) but will NEVER understand scripture – because the ONE who councils us, leads us, gives us understanding, does not abide in these people. If you are interested in genuine salvation please read here:

    Since your 1st comment you have consistently continued to throw insult after insult after insult at me. But now I must bid thee farewell. Your comments will now land in the basket of leven.

  30. Spliff

    And you are more than welcome to let anyone in to your home. Have tea with Joyce Meyer for all I care. Kick back with Chuck Missler. Just don’t come and complain to me that you were led astray because you chose to follow them and their sweet words over the constant warnings in the bible to FLEE from these people. 1 Tim 6.

  31. Myfanwy Brown says:

    Hi Debs,

    I do not watch many youtube videos, but this is one I felt drawn to watch today, and I want to share it with you all. Be prepared to be shocked and disgusted. Pray for the people involved.. and keep going strong in exposing men and women like these false teachers/wolves!

  32. redeemed says:

    Myfanwy, thank you for posting this video. Very telling. Maybe someone can answer this – I was wondering why Copeland is making the sign with his LEFT hand while the others are doing so with their RIGHT hand? Does it make a difference if a person is left or right hand dominant? That just seemed interesting to me.

  33. Hanelie says:

    Oh, Myfanwy, I’ve just started watching it and I am already disgusted, feeling sick over it. I thank God that I only tried a charismatic church for a short while and remained skeptical while I was there. It was by His Divine protection only that I refused (repeatedly) to go up for prayer, to be laid hands upon.

    I’ve been buried in reading the past two days after meeting the author of another similar website to this one (but more focused on happenings in Dutch and other Reformed Church circles). After reading about post-modernism and liberalism (pantheism and panentheism and a/non-theist Christianity)in reformed churches, and about the infiltration by the emergent movement (an reading the unholy, ungodly debates and language of church leaders), I am feeling an urge to break all remaining ties with this “church” IMMEDIATELY, to obtain all our membership certificates, baptism seals and what not and get rid of it … asap.

    Although I had known that many things were wrong in the DRC, and had a good idea of what was wrong (what is right? how can I see it so clearly now and not earlier?) which I used to attend, the utter depth of wrongness I came across more recently is … sickening.

    Nothing of it should be shocking, and yet it still is.

    I cry for all those attending these churches every Sunday. How can I not speak out? How can we remain quiet? For the first time, I really, really understand why people like Deborah are (and keep) doing what they are doing. And, why we cannot claim to love people if we are not willing to take a stand and warn.

  34. Marion says:

    Redeemed: there is a difference…it is this…”the right hand path”…white magic. The “left hand path”…black magic. Although I’ve seen some, like Pat Robertson, use both.

  35. Marion

    >> Although I’ve seen some, like Pat Robertson, use both.

    He is a confused satanist. LOL

    >> there is a difference…it is this…”the right hand path”…white magic. The “left hand path”…black magic.

    You know…even the darkest satanists know that there is no such thing was white magic, only fools think there is such a thing as white magic. Maybe Pat Robertson is not so confused after all ROTFL.

  36. Marion says:

    Debs…how right you are! Just like there is no such thing as “good” witches and “bad” witches…but to them…it makes some kind of difference…go figure! But if one googles…you will find…

  37. Marion says:

    Brannon Howse…he’s a right handed satanic saluter.

  38. On a serious note, there is no difference as to which hand you use. Yes, left hand path does refer to black magic but showing the Sign of Satan with your hands can be left, right or both hands. Maybe the more serious evil satanist will only use his left hand and denounce those who use their right as being traitors. Serious, there are factions within satanism… to be more evil than the next. Some satanists (who have no clue) even view Wiccans to be of a Christian nature. Some even view Freemasonry to be Christian. And then you have Wiccans who don’t believe in Satan, but believe that Satanists worship Satan and that to go that route is bad news… talk about confusion.

  39. Micheline says:

    I’m so glad you put this article up. There is something that has been bothering me for some time. I read News24 to keep up with what is happening in our country and around the world, as I do not watch TV.

    The worrying thing is that there is a section on News24 where people can write their own articles and post them. Then the readers get a chance to comment on them. Of late, alot of articles have been about dismissing Christianity, God and Jesus. As an example, [if I’m allowed to, I’ll put a link here, but please remove it if you want]:

    Now the articles are usually [mostly, always] terrifying [sad, disgusting] for a Christian to read BUT the people that give their opinions are pure evil. Most [seems like all of them] are athiests and they are very proud to say so. The blasphemy is intolerable.

    The thing that worries me is that it is only athiests posting and hardly ever a Christian that would defend the Word of God. Sometimes there is one little voice trying to show Gods Glory but he is shut down in milli-seconds. These athiests are very informed about Christianity and well educated.

    I always skip over those type of topics but I decided to read one the other day as there were so many of them. It will be 10 minutes of my life that I will never get back, 10 minutes spent on hate, destruction, evil and pain. I felt sick afterwards.

    It is a little confusing that God told us to be disciples, knowing that man is wicked and most will not change their ways. So do we only concentrate on the few that want to listen and keep each other on the right track? Are we to leave “those wicked” to their own devices?

  40. Redeemed says:

    Satan is the author of confusion, so the Bible says.
    I would say this is certainly true. All of this comes from a common source.
    Witches like to say they are not Satanists, but in fact they are.
    There are only 2 forces in the world, one is the truth of God and the other is a lie from Satan.

    Even atheists worship Satan but they don’t know it.

    Simple, yet confusing.

  41. Micheline

    Someone that de-converts from Christianity was never a Christian to start off with and their heart never loved Jesus to begin with.

    We can spend a certain amount of time defending the gospel and preaching the truth, but ultimately if their heart is open for the Holy Spirit to do His work when we preach God’s Word will make an impact, if the person is closed to hearing the Truth, then there is nothing more we can do, but pray and hope they come around. But to befriend the unbeliever (as the Emergents do) is unbiblical.

    And Jesus said to the disciples…

    Luke 9:5
    5 And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them. (Matt 10:14; Mark 6:11; Luke 10:11; Acts 13:51; Acts 18:6)

  42. Redeemed says:

    Micheline, your question is valid and important.

    The topic of media and the explosion of knowledge in electronics and communication has been brought up previously. It has an up side and a down side.
    On the one hand, it is good that people can access this site and get the truth, but on the other hand there are multitudes of others that promote lies. That is how the world has always been, but now on a much larger scale.

    Personally, I think we have to use wisdom in these things. The world has such a skewed concept of “Christianity” that I don’t think it is worth the effort to post on secular sites. It is like casting pearls into a pig pen.

    As believers I think where we have the most impact is on blogs like this where we can reach across the miles and encourage others who have an ear to hear.

    And most importantly, reach out to the circle of influence the Lord has placed you in – sharing the Gospel and being a witness to those who cross your path on a daily basis. The world has become a very impersonal place and seeing Christ being lived out and hearing the true gospel message is refreshing in such a desert of lies and misconceptions.

  43. Myfanwy Brown says:

    The sign of satan is everywhere, ‘celebrities’ use it as well, as royalty and politicians. It is sickening that they are so brazen about showing it. I have also heard from wiccans that they are not satan worshippers..absolute rubbish!

    Occasionally I see some music videos on TV, and I feel disgusted. They are blatantly sexual and demonic. Recently I saw Cheryl Cole on the Stand Up for Cancer program, and there was quite a discussion going around about her miming as you could not hear her sing. Anyway, that did not interest me one bit, what I noticed, and I have seen her do it before, is that she constantly puts her hand between her legs and uses other sexual movements that I did not see her use before. She has become much more sexually overt since hooking up with from The Black Eyed Peas. (see DTW article) This is something that I have seen singers doing more and more.

    Please do not think that I watch alot of this stuff, I sometimes come on it when searching channels for something decent to watch, and sometimes I do purposely look just to see what they are doing now..but a few minutes is more than enough to make me feel ill. I have sons who watch this stuff and I am constantly trying to point out to them, the evil in all this garbage.

    Another thing I have seen advertised is a program called SWITCH.. about some young girls who are witches, I told my 18 year old son not to even watch the advert. Sadly, the youth are being brainwashed to think all this evil is quite ‘normal’. First there was all these films and series about this..withcraft is being sold as ‘fun’.

    I was watching the news the other day and an advert came on for a program that is going to be aired soon.. I do not remember the name of it, but this guy doing the voice over said, ‘now that more people are realising that there IS NO GOD’ !! I have written into programs before to complain of the content, and I intend to find out the name of this program and I am going to email them. It infuriates me!

    We all really need to pray for our children and youth..satan is attacking them heavily through this evil music and these TV programs. That is why I am also against Disney cartoons and others.. satan comes as an angel of light, whilst accosting our kids with violence, which is supposed to be funny. Computer games are another avenue for the devil to reach our children. Those of you with young children, I beseech you and pray that you will be ruthless to, and stand strong in eliminating these things out of your families lives. For those of you with older children, pray for them constantly and speak to them about what all this really means behind the devil’s cloak of entertainmemnt.

  44. Redeemed says:

    Not to mention Lady Gaga, Madonna, etc. I see where they are going to have Beyonce at the Super Bowl. Think of the audience – it is a form of hypnotism and allowing evil spirits to enter people’s minds.

    We know the world will wax more and more evil. It is sad to see that the Church has failed to do what it was called to do and has allowed leaven and false teaching to rule and reign.

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