Compromisers – Do Not Let Him Into Your Home
Fellowshipping with Compromisers
Guilt by association does not go down well with people who like to mingle with other people who happily accept false teaching – especially when they know the person they are befriending is not Christian.
In the Ecumenical worldview you are supposed to ‘show grace’ to everyone non-stop no matter how much they twist the Gospel of Jesus Christ to suit their desires.
The idea behind this notion is that if you don’t continue to show acceptance to someone of another faith you will never get them to accept Christ. Sounds great and works well if you are in nursery school. But when you grow up, you realise that this is a complete and utter fallacy.
Mankind is wicked and mankind will never change. So for mankind to be ‘nice’ and ‘merciful’ and ‘loving’ to fellow mankind is an utter joke. And anyone who thinks this is even remotely achievable must surely be joking. The Bible says man is wicked, mankind’s heart is wicked and the path is narrow. That few will follow Jesus Christ and many will follow after false Christs who teach false doctrines.
The new age Christian gospel is:
- If you smile and speak nice words to others and mention you are a Christian you will be seen to be a nice, loving Christian person.
- Do not tell someone that what they believe is wrong – this is not Christian.
- Do not offend anyone by telling them something they don’t want to hear.
- Do not preach the genuine gospel of Jesus Christ (the full message of salvation and repentance of sin) as this will chase people away – if people run away, you can’t convert them to Christ.
- The whole point of new age Christianity is that you want to keep the person as close a friend as possible to convert them to your way of thinking.
- If you are always the ‘nice’ one, no one can ever fault you for being in the wrong.
- All faiths have a common denominator and that is the New Age Christ.
- Always agree to disagree.
- If your statement of faith sounds good then the person or church is 100% Christian.
- You have to be accountable to someone ‘human’. So first man, second God.
- Always make sure you can give the name of a person or church you are accountable too – so they can vouch for your Christ-likeness.
- Do not think that Jesus Christ counts as someone to be accountable too, or preaching the correct gospel for that matter.
- Never ever warn anyone about someone who once seemed Christian and is now teaching false doctrine and leading people astray.
- Warning is a good work, so is repentance of sin. Building bridges is not a good work, it’s just hard work, like following Christ.
- And you can’t be held accountable for mingling with false teachers and ungodly people, because associating and agreeing with someone who is non-Christian is just not biblical. It’s called love.
2 John 1:9-11
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; 11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
So how does one overcome this problem of being guilty by association. Well, it’s simple. You say, ‘I no longer agree that this person speaks the truth, and I no longer support them.’
If you made a mistake and were once upon a time fooled by someone proclaiming to be Christian and it turned out they weren’t, you speak out and say; ‘Yes, I was fooled, but I saw the error, I repented to Jesus for disobeying Him and I no longer want anything to do with this person.’ etc, etc, etc. Simple.
We are all prone to deception. If we say we can’t be deceive then we probably are. We have too constantly be on the lookout for thieves. Some thieves comes dressed in slightly more expensive sheep’s clothing than others. This makes it a bit more difficult to spot the lose stitching. But give it time and they come undone. They always do.
We forgive these people and we move on. We don’t continue to invite them over for supper in the hope they change their minds. One can ask Jesus for forgiveness of ones error at any time or place and sometimes outside the front door is a good place to start.
We all make mistakes, but a genuine Christian will realise our error (with the conviction of the Holy Spirit) /we admit it (mostly ashamed) / we repent (we have asked Jesus to forgive us for disobeying Him) / we don’t do it again because we love Jesus Christ.
The wolf makes a mistake / he is caught / he repents to the public / he changes his shaggy sheep outfit to new sheep outfit and carries on as before. Example: Benny Hinn has repented a few times for major things he has done, like stealing money and preaching false teaching. But did he change his ways? No.
Thank you DTW.
Thanks,
I might fall into the grace is more powerful than truth camp but hear me out anyway.
Jesus was continually confounding the law hungry religious who defined their doctrine in tight set ungraceful ways. He annoyed them enough to get himself on the cross. I believe Christian’s can very quickly take on the same wall building mentality of those Jesus spoke most harshly against. Jesus won people over by grace not law. It is also very easy to judge others as sinful etc. and show very little regard in changing ones own ways. I just feel Christianity has damaged the world enough with its Crusades and its Apartheid accepting ways to warrant any more wall building us-them attitudes. We ought to be those confessing to others of how badly and how un-Christlike we have have treated them… David
David
Really? Who said this ‘Christianity’ was Christian? I certainly don’t see it to be Christian. So your entire argument is based on nothing. Therefore we do not need a new way of doing things or a new Christianity like Brian McLaren so urges. Because there was nothing wrong REAL Christianity in the first place. Jesus Christ is perfect, Jesus’ gospel is Perfect, man corrupted Christianity. To say that Christianity has damaged the world enough makes you anti-
Christian.
And Jesus won people over because they saw HE WAS THE SON OF GOD and fell on their knees and REPENTED OF THEIR SIN.
I agree that we should distance ourselves from false teachers.
This is a word in season as many, many believers are going to be faced with the choice, compromise or split?
There is a Biblical procedure based on the Prophecy of Hosea.
Herescope.com outlines it very well in the article “Plead with your Mother, Plead”
http://herescope.blogspot.com/2008_12_01_archive.html
Helps put stuff into perspective.
BTW I would like to link to Discerning the World from my Website if thats ok.
God bless
Pete
David
I just feel I do not know your Jesus. Jesus Christ, God in human flesh, preached the Sermon on the Mount. That is Law, not Grace.
The emergents would love to converse with you about a gentler Christianity that the world would love. Christians are not interested.
I believe the word you were looking for was “Pharisee”.
Thanks Pete for your comment. And yip you can link, link awaaaayyy.
Amanda
Oh that was the word I could not figure out LOL
Amanda…
The NT, especially the sermon on the mount is a whole new take on law and grace and grace is the most fundamental aspect of it. Read Ephesians. The beatitudes in Matthew 5 says God will bless those who are gentle and lowly, those who are merciful. We are called to love our enemies in the Sermon on the Mount, not to take revenge etc. I do not trash law and neither did Jesus but Jesus defined what the true motive of the law was… Love God and Love your neighbour as yourself. Our neighbours are those who don’t think like us or act us like. I would hope Grace and Truth would work together for the glory of God, but if we have not love for the world, that is all people, the people that God created, I dare say we are on the wrong track.
David
Truth IS Love. Jesus is the way, the TRUTH and the Life. If you don’t tell the truth then you don’t love. You already said “I might fall into the grace is more powerful than truth camp but hear me out anyway.”
So you will smile and not tell the truth at the same time. We do hear you.
David
You have nailed it. So, how are you doing with keeping God’s Law?
Seeing as though Louis Blignout wont post his emails as I asked him to do, I will do it for him as I told him I would.
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2010/2/25 Louis Blignaut
Sien jy is Engels en Afrikaans.
Baie interessante webwerf. Ek sien myself in die moderne idioom as ‘n “funametalis”. Merk iets daarvan by jou ook op maar sien nerens ‘n sg “statement of faith” of iets dergliks om te weet waar jy staan nie.
Jy tree anoniem op of is ek verkeerd ?
Groete
Louis Blignaut
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Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 2:22 PM
To: Louis Blignaut
Subject: Re: Blog indentiteit
Hi louis
Is a statement of faith going to seal the deal for you that I am a born again Christian? It can’t. Many copy and paste statements of faith that sound absolutely brilliant and when you read their websites after a few pages it’s clear that what they believe is different to their statement of faith.
When you meet ‘Christians’ at church do you ask them for their statement of faith or do you just presume that because they are at the same chuch as you that you must both believe in the same Jesus Christ? Nope. Impossible to tell unless you listen to what they have to say and this will ultimately explain what they really believe.
In fact my blog provides more info than any statement of faith could ever provide. Read what I write about and let the Holy Spirit in you confirm that I speak the truth based on the Word of God, or don’t read it. Having said all that, you are to test what I say against the Word of God. I can’t convince you, only the Holy Spirit in you (if you are truly saved) will testify that I am born again.
My name is Deborah. That’s all anyone needs to know. I get enough hate email and rude comments to stay anonymous (in person). I don’t really care to know who you are (and by “don’t care” I mean that in a nice way).
And technically I do not like the term fundamentalist, I see it as an insult to be honest. The gospel of Jesus Christ is not a cult. Born again Christians are called this name by non-christians. I understand what you mean however, but don’t take this name as something to classify yourself by.
Regards
Deborah
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On 26 February 2010 16:23, Louis Blignaut
Deborah,
You are right that people do not necessarily keep to their statement of faith because it is normally very general statements. I do agree that the ultimate test is the guidance of the Holy Spirit. I however disagree that it does not “seal the deal”. There are a few key Christian faith principles which if declared will at least tell people where you stand for example the Trinity, virgin birth ,resurrection of Christ. Even the Apostles’ Creed will suffice. People do not have the time to work through all your comment to find out what you agree or disagree.
I suppose you have a few co workers because the sheer quantity of the material presented can not be done by one person.
I also get the idea that you also value certain people’s views highly because certain comments you make look like copy and paste comments from other apologetics. With this approach you indentify yourselves anyway with certain people and their ‘general statement of faith’
I also note that you receive many comments that you “throw the baby with the bath water” if you know the expression. In your apologetics there should be a difference between discerning mistakes made by genuine born again Christians (where reprimanding is adequate and done personally and not publically unless they do not listen) and outright false prophets and teachers which we should oppose.
You probably get so much hate speech that it has influenced your tone of speech as well. Please see the difference the way Jesus dealt with Peter, the disciples, Judas, Pilatus and lastly the Pharisees when he addressed their iniquities.
Louis Blignaut
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to: Louis Blignaut
date: 26 February 2010 20:46
subject Re: Blog identities
Louis
I am solid on ALL Christian principles. So is Rick Warren last time I checked. I’ll put up a statement of faith for you and then everyone can come and comment and disagree with me anyhow.
>> (where reprimanding is adequate and done personally and not publicly unless they do not listen)
Ag nee Louis come now…”Matt 18″ loaded language. I am sure that every person who has the ability to preach falsely has the ability to know they are false and has been spoken too before. Or must people run after you an tell you are constantly going in the wrong direction. (And by ‘you’ I don’t mean you, but people in general).
Why don’t you comment on my blog instead. It’s very public where everyone can see what you have to say.
Thank for insinuating I am a pharisee with such a nice tone. And awesome justification for hate email. I suppose having ‘nice’ emails like yours changes everything. I suppose your new tone is a welcome change to the old tone of the comments on my blog lol. Beggars can’t be choosers. I will sleep better tonight knowing this. sighs.
I will post your comment on line. I am quite clear in my conditions that I reserve to to post emails online . Consider the comments section like a virtual version of meeting you ‘in person’. Like one massive coffee shop where your audience is not just the persuasive type you invited to meet in private and ‘rebuke’ without anyone seeing it.
I’ll let you know which article I posted your comment under. Or would you just go pick an article and post it yourself and save me time. Oh wait, I think the ‘don’t let him into your house’ article is perfect for this discussion. You can even use another name. How about that? No really you can come on as LB or whatever post your first email to me with my reply and your reply with this reply. Maybe get some exposure for your ministry.
Lastly, I am gifted with the memory the size of an elephant, it can sometimes be a bit of a problem for some people when I have massive memory recall.
My statement of faith: The Word of God WITH every basic and huge fundamental contained therein.
Education: Can read and write.
Achievements: Managing to sleep after reading how much the world has been deceived on a daily basis.
Hobbies: Wondering how ‘Pastors’ actually got as far as they have, studying for so long as they did, with no one speaking to them or ‘dialoguing’ with them in all that time about the truth. Oh that’s Matthew 18 in case you did not notice.
But let’s forget about men warning you and take this wayyyy further than that – let’s take Matt 18 to a spiritual level. Where is the Holy Spirit in your life and when will you start listening to what He has to say.
I’ll give you until tomorrow to post all of this under the article I mentioned: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/02/14/do-not-let-him-into-your-home/. Just imagine I am from the the Kerkbode or something and this is front page news.
And please don’t get all upset with me. If this was a raging debate at some national forum I would be saying the EXACT same things. No holds barred and the huffing and puffing would echo through the halls of all theology faculties.
I love being transparent with the words I speak, don’t you?
Happy commenting.
Deborah
Oh I only start deleting comments after around 20 or so.. so you are quite safe air all your views 😉
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I have let Louis know his emails are right where I asked him to paste them. I have just presumed he is really busy and that is why he has not replied and has not had the time to come and comment out in the open.
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to Louis Blignaut
date 3 March 2010 12:11
subject Re: Blog identities
Your emails are online under the article below. I have used your real name and obmitted your email address.
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Right Louis, come comment out in the open. I doth waiteth in anticipation.
PS, let me know if you know Angus ok? Cos everyone seems to know Angus really well.
ek’s in die duister! wat is: moderne idioom as ‘n “funametalis”? Afrikaans/Engelse verduideliking sal waardeer word.
Louis wrote:
Let’s see. Peter:
The disciples:
Judas:
Pilate:
The Pharisees:
To unbelievers:
Louis said:
Could you name some of the false prophets and teachers in South Africa?
Hi Cecila,
I think you asked for a definition of “funametalis”? In English, fundamentalism was a reactionary to liberal theology. It holds to the following,
1. the inerrancy of the Bible,
2. Sola Scriptura,
3. the virgin birth of Christ,
4. the doctrine of substitutionary atonement,
5. the bodily resurrection of Jesus,
6. and the imminent personal return of Jesus Christ
Um, was that a question? And is this an answer?
Mark Prenrith
You just can’t stay away…
Anyhow, your answer to the question is rather hystertical considering you found 10 reasons to adore Mary on Christmas day, Meditate over Pslams in quiet little places, and are full blown Emergent.
You know fully well what Cecila meant by her question to Louis. Your little game is lame. Oh I am a poet and I didn’t even know it. Hey you should go to that PPP website.
PPP?
Is there something incorrect with what I’ve written?
Mark P: my question is (i’ll put it in English) What was meant by “modern idiom of fundamentalist”? (Louis B wrote: Ek sien myself in die moderne idioom as ‘n “funametalis” – so I think this is the English? thanks – wrong answer..
PPP is an emergent website where all those who find common ground with other faiths can go and mingle: http://prophets-priests-poets.info.
Hello, I am new to this blog and my first post has yet to be moderated, but I felt I had to respond to certain comments above about how Jesus related to people and whether or not He erred on the side of grace.
Firstly, Jesus never even attempted to “Win people over”, He proclaimed the Truth with authority and people either accepted and acted on His words, or they didn’t. According to the Gospels, Jesus didn’t “win over” many people at all. (Pity He didn’t have the PDC program to help Him make His ministry a success) ;-p
His preaching invariably began with the word ‘repent’ and as far as I can see, He never told an audience of unbelievers that He loved them. Jesus bluntly told the disciples that He had come to bring division, not unity, and that they were to shake the dust off their feet as they left a house or city that rejected the call to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand. We are told by the writer, that Jesus loved the rich young ruler in Mark chapter 10, but Jesus never actually SAID that to the young man, why? He never called after him and said; “Please don’t leave, if you only knew how much I love you, you’d comply with my instructions in a second. Why don’t I try and put it in nicer language, that isn’t so threatening and confrontational? Maybe then you’ll agree to follow me?”
As has been shown here already, Jesus didn’t mince words when dealing with deception, or false declarations, but called a spade, a spade.
Many people remember these words of Jesus to the adulterous woman; “Neither do I condemn you,..” , but few recall that His next words were: “Go and SIN no-more.” Jesus never used a euphemism, when a perfectly good word like SIN, or ADULTERY, or FALSE TEACHER, existed already.
Did He love people? Absolutely! But He was a straight shooter for sure!
Shalom,
Alan.
Alan
I think you are safe for now to not have any of your comments moderated 😉 lol
Why Thankyou Deborah,
I appreciate that! 😉
May I say too that I like your sense of irony, or sarcasm if you will. Although most ‘Christians’ today wouldn’t agree, I can find plenty of Biblical accounts of men of God and God Himself using the same ‘tone’, when speaking against foolishness. OH No! Now I’ve gone and used hate speech!
Oh well, you can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs, as they say.
Seriously, keep up the good work.
God bless you and your house(s),
Alan.
To Alan,
I was puzzled by your comment that Jesus “invariably” (doesn’t that mean almost always?) began His teachings with the word repent. I have a Bible where Jesus’s Words are marked in red, but I can’t find even one teaching that He began using the word repent. Are you confusing Jesus with John the Baptist?
What I do read in the Words of Jesus is a complete disdain for those thought they had a lock on the truth and were so secure in their self righteous religious beliefs that they felt justified in scornfully judging others from their assumed position of superiority.
The Pharisee’s were nothing to make light of when it came to following what was apparently God’s Will as it was written. They were heavy duty doers of the Law. Practically perfect. Practically.
Of course, the point is that it wasn’t enough. We still need Jesus to pay the price for man’s fall, in order for the Love of God to be shed abroad in our hearts. That Love is one thing the Pharisees were short on.
Their “religious” convictions prevented them from seeing the error of their thinking and the hardness of their heart. They felt righteous and justified as God’s chosen. They were also the very ones who did not repent, and who openly rejected Jesus.
Blindness to the truth is an inevitable by-product of assuming one already knows everything.
Spliff512
You follow Chuck Missler and Joyce Meyer… I don’t think you have the right to point a finger at Alan regarding bllindness.
Lest we forget that your nickname is that of a marijuana joint.
Spliff, the Bible is our “lock on the truth”. It is the measure, and no one here thinks they know everything. It is the Word of God that is the measure of what is truth and what is error.
Your comments are typical of those who like to call those who expose error Pharisees. You should study your Bible and see just who the Pharisees were before you start labeling the people here.
It is the loving thing to do to expose error and often it requires exposing the teaching of favored and popular teachers. No one is judging the hearts, only examining the fruit to see if it is edible or rotten. If someone was eating rotten fruit would you not feel compelled to warn them as it would make them sick?
Burning Lamp
That will be a difficult point to understand for people like Spliff512. He seems to be very anti discernment and warning people about apostasy. If one can support some one like Joyce Meyer and think they preach the truth the situation is indeed dire. We can only pray the scales fall of these peoples eyes before it is too late.
ElMarie, sad but true. I just wanted to hopefully enlighten this person as to the purpose for discernment. Something brought him/her to this site and maybe, just maybe they might take away something to chew on. Call me an eternal optomist! 🙂
Burning Lamp
And we must endure with the truth BL yippers you are correct. The road is soooo Narrow and it is so easy to take the wide road. Nothing wrong with being an eternal optomist :-))
It is sad to know that those who are being deceived will be even more deceived.
as I read the following verses:
2 Thessalonians 2:11 (Amplified Bible)
11 Therefore God sends upon them a misleading influence, a working of error and a strong delusion to make them believe what is false,
But then those who perseveres and endures to the end the reward is beyond comprehension, there is none like it !!! We can only embrace the truth and discard the lies. Jesus is the only way to truth.
Matthew 10:22
And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake, but he who perseveres and endures to the end will be saved [ from spiritual disease and death in the world to come].
Deborah,
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. Proverbs 14:12
It is obvious that your way seems right to you. God knows if it really is.
Before you delete my comments, please tell me who is teaching the rightly divided Word of God today? Does any one meet with your approval? I like your advice to read the Bible but people still need help with their understanding.
I don’t follow Chuck Missler or Joyce Meyer. As a born again Christian who has been blessed with the Gift of the Holy Spirit, I can discern spirits, but I still owe a great deal of gratitude to those countless men and women who have dedicated their lives to studying and teaching God’s Word, even if they are not perfect in their understanding.
My objection is that in your “zeal” you misrepresent facts and make false accusations. That is by definition false witness and slander.
You crusade against deception, but in doing so you are also being deceived and deceiving others. The fact that you focus on trivial points, ignore my questions, fixate on my name and insult me just because I questioned incongruities in your accusations against Chuck Missler speaks volumes.
Did it ever occur to you that you are under the influence an accusing spirit, finding fault with others and are yourself being deceived into believing that you are right with God just because of your doctrine? That is pride, and pride is not what pleases God.
It also negates the fact that our salvation is based on our faith in Jesus Christ the Son of God because He paid the price for our salvation, when He was crucified, died and was raised from the dead to sit at the Right Hand of the Father, and will come again in Glory in reign forever.
There is much apostasy in the world. That is unfortunately not exactly new. We were warned of wolves coming in by Peter and Paul. That was in the first century. Your site raises real concerns, but Jesus is still Lord.
Spliff
Therefore, your way must be right, if you insist I am wrong. This is called a Stalemate. What I do love about 99% of the commenters on this blog is that I am wrong but everyone else is right. I am the nasty one, but you can say what you like to me, insult me, you name it, but that’s ok, you are RIGHT after all. Hence you can say what you like, judge me, and I must just fall down and beg you for mercy. Well no Spliffy. I stand by what I write 100000%. You seem confused.
Regarding understanding the Bible there is ONLY ONE who can help you with this and that is Jesus Christ. When you are saved, born again, the Holy Spirit will come to abide in you. He, the Holy Spirit is the one who gives you ALL understanding of scripture. That is why Joyce and Chuck can read the bible (they can read you know) but will NEVER understand scripture – because the ONE who councils us, leads us, gives us understanding, does not abide in these people. If you are interested in genuine salvation please read here:
Since your 1st comment you have consistently continued to throw insult after insult after insult at me. But now I must bid thee farewell. Your comments will now land in the basket of leven.
Spliff
And you are more than welcome to let anyone in to your home. Have tea with Joyce Meyer for all I care. Kick back with Chuck Missler. Just don’t come and complain to me that you were led astray because you chose to follow them and their sweet words over the constant warnings in the bible to FLEE from these people. 1 Tim 6.