Springbok ‘Healed’ by T.B. Joshua Sadly Pass Away

springbokSpringbok ‘Healed’ by T.B. Joshua Sadly Pass Away

If only people would just read the Word of God when it comes to the warning signs of spotting false teachers.  I just hope that springbok Ruben Kruger saw the truth of the matter before his passing and that he had not fallen any deeper into deceptive doctrines passed off as genuine Christianity.  Let these stories be a warning to all who love the truth, to heed God’s warning of entertaining false doctrines that can lead to spiritual destruction if not repented of.

T. B. Joshua is a witchdoctor who uses witchcraft (obviously) to heal people, among other horrendous deceptions.  His manner is satanic, he does not at all preach the genuine Gospel, but a poisoned version.  His entire setup is based around con-artistry.

 [T. B. Joshua] Once asked by one of his disciples if he is a man of God, his answer was: “Brother, I can not answer you this question. It will be self-righteous if I should say I am a man of God. But let my works testify of who I am.”

[All emphasis added to articles below by DTW]

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Blow for Springbok Ruben Kruger

2000-12-17  –  News24 – ©  24.com

A week that started with great expectations for Ruben Kruger and his wife, Lize, ended in heartache on Sunday when Ruben was told at the airport that his wife was to lose the baby about which they were so excited.

Lize met him at the airport and the two then went to a clinic in Pretoria where she underwent tests. Although she is brave about the loss, her husband was visibly upset when he was told.

He is, however, positive about his healing. “I no longer have to drink my chemo pills”, he said on Sunday. He believes his healing started on Sunday already when he arrived at the synagogue.

After he had said Kruger was healed of a malignant brain tumour, “Prophet” T.B. Joshua also gave him an oil to rub on the place where the tumour was. Kruger said he should undergo further examination in January, but he would still decide about it. “I will take the Lord’s lead.”

When Rapport spoke to Kruger earlier this week in Lagos, he excitedly told about his experience at the synagogue.

He had tackled many people during his rugby days. He also came down hard himself – he could take it like a man. But what happened in Lagos was bigger than him. He cried like a man.

“You cannot describe the feeling to anyone who has not experienced it. It was an unbelievable, or should I say believable, experience.”

Before leaving for Lagos, Kruger told his doctor, Pieter Slabbert, not to be worried because he would return cured. Until the healing service on Wednesday from 06:00 to 0930, Kruger did not know what to expect.

“I heard about people being cured, I watched videos of miracle cures, I believed I would be cured and still there was a big doubt deep within me.”

Kruger and his wife are celebrating their seventh wedding anniversary quietly at home. Lize says after so many days in the heart of Africa, she is going to make boerekos for her husband.

– Rapport

Source: (link no longer available)

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See Youtube video below of springbok Jaco being ‘healed’ by T.B. Joshua.  (Read below article FIRST, before you watch the video!)

T B JoshuaTriumph and despair

When serious injury threatened to end his rugby career, the tough Afrikaner, Jaco van der Westhuyzen, turned to the only man who could save him: a Nigerian faith healer

by Xan Rice
Sunday 8 February 2004  –  © Guardian News and Media Limited

Sure, I believe in miracles. I’ve seen them with my own eyes. From an early age I was very religious. Both my parents were Dutch Reformed Christians. But it was not until 2000 that faith healing and T. B. Joshua, the Nigerian they call ‘the Prophet’, came into my life. I had just broken into the Springbok team when I ruptured my posterior cruciate ligament playing against Western Province one Sunday in August 2000. The doctor took X-rays and said I needed to have an operation that Wednesday. I was really down, because I desperately wanted to go on the end-of-year Bok tour.

Here I must give credit to my wife. Her family are charismatic Christians, which means they stand up in church, clapping and singing. She, or rather her brother, had shown me this video of the Nigerian faith healer T. B. Joshua. I saw all the miracles he performed, such as curing people with HIV, freeing people from their wheelchairs, healing those with cancer. My wife said to me: ‘You’re pretty religious. Your faith is strong. I think you should give it a go.’ I was sceptical at first and I wasn’t too sure about the miracles. I read about them in the Bible but I thought: ‘Can this be true?’ Still, I decided not to have the operation and to take a leap of faith instead.

Our church group landed in Lagos on a Sunday. We drove for about 45 minutes before coming to a very basic church site – 10 people to a wooden bench. It was just phenomenal to see how primitive Christianity can be while at the same time remaining so powerful. At each service, there are between 10,000 and 20,000 people, mainly poor blacks. Their riches are their faith. At five o’clock in the morning, there are 3,000 people queueing outside the church gates to get the best seats.

For the first few days we had discussions with the disciples and talked about religion and its power. Then, on the Saturday, ‘the Prophet’ came out and delivered his message to the congregation, even though there were people in the church, scared of his powers, who wanted to kill him. It was a real eye-opener. But these doubters could not get near him. He said to us: ‘There’s somebody here who wants to kill me.’ If the guy does not come forward, the Prophet will identify him and the person ends up confessing to what he was planning.

Towards the end of the service about 300 of us gathered in what they call the ‘healing line’. The Prophet walked down the line, identifying illnesses. When he came to me, he said I should remove my leg brace. He looked at me and it was like he had x-ray vision, like he could see immediately what was wrong with my knee. Moving his hands around as if he was tugging a rope, he seemed to pull out all the dirt and other stuff that was in my knee. Then he said to me: ‘Stand up and run.’ The brace had been on for weeks and running should have been impossible. Well, I trusted my faith and started to run – and at full speed. There was no pain.

Back home I had another x-ray, and it showed the ligament was fine. The doctor could not believe or explain it. News of what happened started to spread and the wife of Ruben Kruger, the former Bok and Blue Bulls flanker, called me. Ruben had a brain tumour and his wife wanted me to take him to see T. B. Joshua. We went back to Lagos, Ruben’s brain tumour was healed and he has had no more symptoms since then.

All the time, T. B. Joshua stressed that it was not him doing the healing, but the Holy Spirit operating through him. And we did not have to pay for anything, not even food. He even gives people money to buy plane tickets. He did that with me. Another Bulls and Bok player, the young lock Wium Basson, had developed terminal cancer and also went to see the Prophet. But he died soon after coming back to South Africa. You know, initially when I went to see T. B. Joshua it was for a quick fix, to make the Bok tour. Maybe Wium felt the same. I know for certain that he did not know the Lord as well as he should have at that time. If your faith is not right, the Lord will tell T. B. Joshua not to heal you. But Wium did make peace with God in Nigeria and that, for me, was the miracle. In going to see the Prophet, he probably saved himself from going somewhere else when he died. Luckily in South Africa religion is important; we often pray before matches. Most of my team-mates were not too sceptical about the faith healing. A few of the guys did give me some stick, teased me, but, really, I did not mind. I knew truthfully what had happened to me out there.

Back home, and I think here in Britain, too, religion can become too commercialised. Often it’s not something you really believe in: it’s just something that’s there, that you do to make you feel good. I think it would be good for faith to play a bigger role in rugby, where there is a stigma that players are merely hard blokes without feelings.

Was it strange for a white Afrikaner to seek help from a black Nigerian faith healer? I think the older generation, such as my grandparents, would have found it very difficult to fathom. But for me a person is a person and everyone has a soul. Whether you are black, white, brown or yellow we are all the same in that respect. I never thought of T. B. Joshua as a lesser person than me. In fact, I envy him because he has such a deep, meaningful relationship with God.

Now I’d love to go back to Nigeria and get my spiritual batteries recharged. During the weeks we were there you could feel the presence of the Lord the whole time, even as we slept. Whenever I hit a bad patch in rugby or my life, I just think back and remember what that was like. The big thing I’ve learnt is that this life is just a dress rehearsal for what’s to come.

The life facts

Jaco Nicolaas Boshoff van der Westhuyzen was born in Nelspruit on 6 April 1978. A boy wonder, he made his Super 12 debut at fly-half for the Natal Sharks in 1997, at the age of 19, and won an international call-up against New Zealand three years later. He has since worn the Bok jersey eight times and played at full-back against England and the All Blacks in the 2003 World Cup. Last year’s South African Super 12 player of the season joined Leicester Tigers for their 2003-04 campaign.

Source:   http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/story/0,,1140742,00.html

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Former Springbok Wium Basson dies of cancer

April 22 2001© Independent Online

Former Springbok lock Wium Basson died at his Pretoria home yesterday. He was 25.

Basson, who played for the Blue Bulls, was diagnosed with terminal cancer late last month.

Doctors could not do anything to help him and gave him a few weeks to live.

Basson flew to Lagos, Nigeria, to consult a faith healer, T. B. Joshua, who was reputed to have healed a range of illnesses, and had helped rehabilitate former Springbok flyhalf Jaco van der Westhuizen, who had torn knee ligaments.

Basson undertook the pilgrimage to The Synagogue with 130 other South Africans who had various illnesses. He returned disappointed on Friday. Although he had queued for hours, the faith healer did not see him.

Basson had played 48 games for the Bulls and toured with the Boks to Argentina, France and England in 1998, but his career was ended abruptly by a serious neck injury last season.

Basson was the third Blue Bulls player to have been hit by a life-threatening illness in the past six months.

Bok lock Krynauw Otto’s career was ended in August by bleeding on the brain, while Reuben Kruger is being treated for a brain tumour.

– Own Correspondent

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Springbok 1995 World Cup hero dies

Jan 28, 2010  | By Sapa

Ruben Kruger, former Springbok, Free State and Blue Bulls flanker, passed away after a protracted battle with brain cancer.

Kruger, a 1995 Rugby World Cup winner, would have turned 40 on March 30. He was diagnosed with a brain tumour soon after his playing career ended in 1999.

Kruger had fought back from a broken leg suffered in a Tri-Nations match in 1996 to earn selection to the 1999 World Cup squad and fought his recurring illness with typical bravery and stoicism.

Nicknamed the “Silent Assassin” by coach Kitch Christie during the 1995 Rugby World Cup, he scored a controversial try in the semi-final played in a deluge against France in Durban but was denied what appeared to be a certain try by referee Ed Morrison in the Ellis Park final.

Considered the kingpin of the side, he was named SA Rugby Player of the Year for 1995.

Kruger, who hailed from Vrede in the Free State and went to Grey College, is survived by his wife Lize and two daughters Zoe and Bella.

Kruger made his debut for the Springboks against Argentina in 1993 and went on to play 36 Test matches for South Africa, scoring seven tries. At provincial level he was a stalwart of both Free State and the Blue Bulls.

Kruger had battled the brain tumour since 2000, where he blacked out during a game and it was diagnosed.

After the initial operation to remove the tumour seemed to be a success, Kruger found a few years later that the tumour had resurfaced, but battled on against it with a strength that was a hallmark of his playing days.

He was in the news again early in 2009, when he had to be airlifted from Bloemfontein after feeling ill while returning with his family from holiday in Herolds Bay. A massive five-hour operation followed, where doctors said they had removed “90 percent” of the tumour in the operation.

The tumour was described “as the size of a man’s fist”.

Sadly for Kruger, the tumour was too sensitively placed to completely remove, and it resurfaced in June 2009 when he blacked out while driving and was involved in a car accident.

This past week Kruger began feeling unwell again and was admitted to hospital, where family and friends waited until the end.

Source: (link no longer available)

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Springbok Ruben Kruger sterf 

2010-01-28  –  by Amy Johnson – Nuus24 – © 24.com

Kaapstad – Die voormalige Springbok- en Bulls-flank Ruben Kruger (39) het sy jarelange stryd teen kanker verloor.

Kruger is gisteraand oorlede.

Dokters het in 2000 ‘n breingewas by hom diagnoseer en in 2007 en 2009 het hy breinoperasies ondergaan waartydens gewasse verwyder is.

Hy het van 1993 tot 1999 as Springbok-flank uitgedraf en was deel van die seevierende Wêreldbeker-kampioenspan van 1995.

Kruger is ook in 1995 as Saru se speler van die jaar aangewys.

Hy het 36 keer vir die Bokke uitgedraf en sewe drieê gedruk.

Aan die einde van sy rugbyloopbaan het hy ‘n kameraverkoopsman geword en het ‘n Minolta-franchise in Pretoria besit.

Kruger laat sy vrou Lize en twee dogters Zoê (7) en Isabella (4) agter.

‘n Aanhanger op sy Facebook-blad skryf: ” Jammer oor sy afsterwe…ons weet jy is nou op ‘n beter plek sonder lyding en pyn! Dankie vir die voorbeeld wat jy gestel het! Rest in peace”.

– Nuus24

Source: (link no longer available)

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SA Springbok Rugby Player Jaco Van der Westhuizen’s torn knee ligament INSTANTLY HEALED!

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Deborah Ellish is the author of the above article. Discerning the World is an internet Christian Ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa. Tom Lessing and Deborah Ellish both own Discerning the World. For more information see the About this Website page below the comments section.

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Comment by Emeka; meka
28 January, 2011 at 9:02 pm
Dont think you (people propagating this message)are a christian or even know the bible, don’t you remember what Jesus said to his people? Its not in your place to condemn or judge.

Myriads of scriptures taken totally,utterly and ridiculously out of context…I heard these parrots of the devil for many years now…of course you have to know the chaff from the wheat and poison fron good food…this quote is stale and is evil because it lies ,Jesus would rebuke such a statement that would offend those still clinging and feeding their sins…I have been there …I know these parrots that put the naive and gullible in a weak and defenseless position by hearing untruths (scripture out of context).

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Anybody who thinks T.B. Joshua is a true man of God needs to pray and read their bible seriously. The fact that one is doing miracles, healings and whatever DOES NOT MEAN THAT HE IS OF GOD the creator of heaven and earth. By the way, that is not judging him. It’s testing him and his works as the bible instructs. Satanists are able to do miracles and healings as well just like what pharaoh and his magicians did in the bible. Read Matt 7:21-23, Jer 23:16-40, @ Thess 2:9-12, 2 Peter 2, Rev 13:12-14. The apostle Paul had an illness and he prayed to God for healing but God told him that His (God’s) grace was sufficient for him (Paul). God’s will takes first place. Remember it’s all about Love and the coming heavenly kingdom. Most pple are running after false prophets like T.B. Joshua cause they want present life conveniences and temporary wealth and fame which Christ is against in Matt 6. T. B. Joshua is not a man of God, believe or leave it. May the God of heaven grant us discerning hearts and minds.

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I disagree with people who oppose T.B Joshua And Kobus. They all are God’s Sons and minister His Kingdom.If YOu all oppose them Show Your Real Teaching and Power of God Through His Only Word And Grace. Bye

shaun
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shaun

the Word of God could be used against anyone on planet earth, and therefore would be found guilty. I believe the TB Joshua is led by the Spirit, who God Almighty values much higher than His Word.Who are you to judge him through God’s Word, when he is truely led by the Spirit.

God have Mercy.

shaun

Francis
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During the time of Jesus on earth HE spoke in parables to confirm the prophecies of Isahiah, in hearing they will hear and not understand, seeing, they will see and yet be more confused. This saying was meant to those who think they know more than the ways of GOD (Pharisees ans Saducess- the supposed custodians of the law). Jesus HIMSELF was accused of using powers from Beelzebub the chief of demons. and Jesus also encouraged us to take heart, that if HE was accused how much more is HIS disciples. Did not not write to argue but for those who have made ridiculous comments concerning the MAN OF GOD Prophet TBJ, to read their bibles properly and understand the JESUS said this signs shall follow them that belief, in MY name they will cast out demons, heal the sick, even raise the dead.

satan cannot cast out satan, because Jesus said a kingdom divided against itself cannot stand.

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Riana
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Riana

[deleted – TB JOSHUA ADVERT]

Riana
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Riana

[deleted – TB JOSHUA ADVERT]

Riana
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Riana

[deleted and blacklisted – TB JOSHUA ADVERT]

Norma
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[deleted – You are very young and I think you should grow up]

Nahom Mengistu
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Nahom Mengistu

Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men except against the spirit,so don’t blaspheme against the Holy Spirit that works through T.B. Joshua.

Elizabeth
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Elizabeth

[deleted – Elizabeth, I am sorry to say but you are deceived]

Louise
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I just want to share with you that I and my husband have distanced ourselves with a couple who often shared with us stories of love they have for TB Joshua as he (the hubby of the couple) had personally see the miracles happen. Finally after listening to these stories I asked him what he would have sad about the miracles that were done in Pharaohs palace when Moses was present. I am sick and tired of blinded Christians and quiet frankly they deserve whats coming to them. I am sick of Christians placing men and their demi gods on pedestals and yes I scream out in my sprit and say you who follow such men are deceived and have no right to call yourselves Christians. If I seem to operate in the flesh by what I say or said forgive me but truly I am fed up with stupid people. Thank you.

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I have just read some of the feedback on your website. I find it some what amazing that the bible says these signs will follow those that believe…in my name they will lay hands in the sick and they will be healed. I have visited TB Joshua on four occasions and seen the power of God healing people. I have also visited Kobus Van Rensburg what an amazing preacher. It appears to me when people like them, believe the word and the manifestations of healing happen other believe this is of the devil. There appear to be to many confused Christians, What does the Bible say about healings? its all there. Why not take the time to visit TB Joshua and see for yourself there are no signs saying allah but only sound preaching on the word (Jesus) TB Joshua says “I am not the healer the healers name is Jesus Christ” Because someone was not healed is that TB Joshua’s fault?. Why look to man?
New Zealand

Tom (Discerning the World)
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Shane wrote:

Mark 16:18 says “they shall take up serpents” as well. How’s about you going to a zoo and stay in a lethal serpent’s den for about two months. Remember you must sleep with it in your lap. And then, when you’ve finished, please let us know what a wonderful experience you had (that’s if you are still alive).

If you think Jesus Christ came to the earth just to heal people, then you’re worshiping the wrong Jesus. The prophet, John the Baptist, of whom Jesus said “Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist,” never performed a single miracle in his entire life. TB Joshua is a false prophet.

Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; (2 Ti 4:2-3)

There is only one remedy for your itching ears, my friend – the truth. But I don’t think you will want to apply it to your life. So just keep on going to old TB and get yourself deeper and deeper into trouble.

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mrs Roslyn Gaffane

Hello every body..
I’m mrs Roslyn Gaffane from Pretoria south Africa i have being on sick bed for 2 years now.i have being in many hospitals in this country but no doctor could cure my illness(CANCER) until one day i was watching Emmanuel TV (synagogue church of all nations) i saw how the man of God help many people i search for their email i contact them and explain all my problem them pray for me send me their new anointing water as i apply the anointing water that is the end of the sickness.. i’m the most happiest woman on earth now.. thank you so much Prophet T B Joshua.. in case any body have problems don’t hesitate to contact Prophet T B Joshua (synagoguechurchofallnations50@gmail.com)…..

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mrs Roslyn Gaffane,

The most important thing to know is whether you will go to heaven when you die. Are you saved? If so, how were you saved? Do you mind telling us how you were saved?

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mrs Roslyn Gaffane wrote:

Hello every body..
I’m mrs Roslyn Gaffane from Pretoria south Africa i have being on sick bed for 2 years now.i have being in many hospitals in this country but no doctor could cure my illness(CANCER) until one day i was watching Emmanuel TV (synagogue church of all nations) i saw how the man of God help many people i search for their email i contact them and explain all my problem them pray for me send me their new anointing water as i apply the anointing water that is the end of the sickness.. i’m the most happiest woman on earth now.. thank you so much Prophet ……….(deleted)

mrs Roslyn Gaffane,

If you had cancer you have an opportunity to share with those one this blog any doctor/s in SA that tried to treat you. Give this blog their name/s (or the name of the hospital) and when you saw them. In good faith we will contact them to hear what type of cancer you had and at what stage it was. Then you would have been back to them to verify that your cancer has indeed been cured (taken away)? – we would like the follow up reports from the doctors. You cannot hide behind your “privacy” when you post on a blog about a healing in your own body.

You have to realize that we have no idea if you were genuinely healed. Anybody can type “that is the end of the sickness”. You expect people to actually believe a few words typed on a computer. I for one am very skeptical of your testimony which is very weak and does not impress without proof. Sorry to call you out on this – but you started to share with us, and you owe us at least a more convincing story than what you have given us.

Or are you like Angus Buchan who says: “You have to have a testimony – get one – because nobody can challenge you as “THEY WERE NOT THERE”?

Also – please answer Thomas Lessing’s questions of 5 September 2014 first – as it is very important!

You have a nice name, but even that we do not know whether it is the truth. This site functions to spread the truth and not the opposite.

Proverbs 6:16-19 (NIV)

16 There are six things the Lord hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
17 haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,
19 a false witness who pours out lies
and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.

This blog is a community of mostly genuine saved Christians who have a love for those that are lost in their unregenerate state (unsaved) and we also like to shine the light on false teachers and the deceived people that get caught up in their “lying wonders”. We would like to believe you, but that doesn’t mean we do not think – and examine – what is posted for all to see. It is called “Testing the spirits”

2 Thessalonians 2:9 (KJV)

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders

Hope you understand. I would have deleted your “advert for the prophet” that you speak of, but maybe this discussion was needed.

Robbie
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Joshua used pimps before to promote his demonic doctrines.

Fe
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Fe

John Andrews UK/Ireland wrote:

mrs Roslyn Gaffane wrote:
Hello every body..
I’m mrs Roslyn Gaffane from Pretoria south Africa i have being on sick bed for 2 years now.i have being in many hospitals in this country but no doctor could cure my illness(CANCER) until one day i was watching Emmanuel TV (synagogue church of all nations) i saw how the man of God help many people i search for their email i contact them and explain all my problem them pray for me send me their new anointing water as i apply the anointing water that is the end of the sickness.. i’m the most happiest woman on earth now.. thank you so much Prophet ……….(deleted)

mrs Roslyn Gaffane,
If you had cancer you have an opportunity to share with those one this blog any doctor/s in SA that tried to treat you. Give this blog their name/s (or the name of the hospital) and when you saw them. In good faith we will contact them to hear what type of cancer you had and at what stage it was. Then you would have been back to them to verify that your cancer has indeed been cured (taken away)? – we would like the follow up reports from the doctors. You cannot hide behind your “privacy” when you post on a blog about a healing in your own body.
You have to realize that we have no idea if you were genuinely healed. Anybody can type “that is the end of the sickness”. You expect people to actually believe a few words typed on a computer. I for one am very skeptical of your testimony which is very weak and does not impress without proof. Sorry to call you out on this – but you started to share with us, and you owe us at least a more convincing story than what you have given us.
Or are you like Angus Buchan who says: “You have to have a testimony – get one – because nobody can challenge you as “THEY WERE NOT THERE”?
Also – please answer Thomas Lessing’s questions of 5 September 2014 first – as it is very important!
You have a nice name, but even that we do not know whether it is the truth. This site functions to spread the truth and not the opposite.
Proverbs 6:16-19 (NIV)
16 There are six things the Lord hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
17 haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,
19 a false witness who pours out lies
and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.
This blog is a community of mostly genuine saved Christians who have a love for those that are lost in their unregenerate state (unsaved) and we also like to shine the light on false teachers and the deceived people that get caught up in their “lying wonders”. We would like to believe you, but that doesn’t mean we do not think – and examine – what is posted for all to see. It is called “Testing the spirits”
2 Thessalonians 2:9 (KJV)
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders
Hope you understand. I would have deleted your “advert for the prophet” that you speak of, but maybe this discussion was needed.

How sad that you feel you have to take this position in “outing” someone. I, too have no idea if this woman is real or not, if her testimony is or not, and I understand if it is to be posted, it needs to be authenticated. But the tone, the attack you used… there was no love there. And to “seal” t with an apology of having to do it? I have no words. I pray she is telling the truth! I do not for one moment believe this “prophet” is real. I have watched many videos and “alarms” go off, but that does not give right to approach someone the way done. Love covers a multitude of sin…. even hers if this is not real.

Tom (Discerning the World)
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Fe,

Would you rather have false apostles and prophets deceive unsuspecting people and lead them to hell? – which I assume you may think is real love. Or would you prefer to warn them from Scripture (which John Andrews UK/Ireland has done) and save them from hell?

By the way, the context of the verse you quoted is the following:

Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. (James 5:19-20)

Please quote verses in their proper context. The verse does not say that unconcerned or random love covers a multitude of sins. It says that when you convert (turn) a sinner from his errors, then and then alone do you truly love them and do you cover a multitude of sins.

John Andrews UK/Ireland simply quoted from Proverbs 6:16-19 (NIV). So, are you going to tell Solomon when you see him – “there was no love there”?

John Andrews UK/Ireland
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Thomas Lessing (Watch and Pray / Waak en Bid) wrote:

Fe,
Would you rather have false apostles and prophets deceive unsuspecting people and lead them to hell?

No comment: Very sad event. Not what they expected I am sure. Please do not post anything on this that would be hurtful to friends and family.

67 South Africans dead in Nigeria collapse
September 16 2014 at 09:09pm
By Peter Fabricius, Foreign Editor
iol news pic Nigeria Collapsed Building~2 AP In this file photo taken on Saturday, Sept. 13, 2014, Rescue workers search for survivors in the rubble of a collapsed building belonging to the Synagogue Church of All Nations in Lagos, Nigeria. (AP Photo/Sunday Alamba, File)

Johannesburg – President Jacob Zuma announced on Tuesday night that 67 South Africans were among the scores of people who died after a building at the Synagogue Church of All Nations collapsed on Friday in Lagos, Nigeria.

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liz48

Jean wrote:

I am not surprised… This is the next thing I have wanted to mention nl. when you deal with with TB Joshua and Kobus van Rensburg and all these “satanic” healers, You might be healed temporary But it always comes at a price !

What you sow in the flesh, you WILL reap in the flesh!
When you put your trust in Satan for healing, then He will let you down because he is a lair !

Jesus did not have a healing ministry. The healings that he did was for a different purpose… I don’t have time now but I will expand and explain this in greater depth tomorrow .

I feel sad because so many people are still putting their trust in the physical and not the Spiritual.

People, we worship Hin in SPIRIT and TRUTH… NOT the Physical and Truth !

John 10:10 tells us that satan (the enemy) comes to kill, steal and destroy. If you don’t classify sickness and disease under this category, I find it difficult to think what you would.

The Lord is The Healer. Christianity is founded on pagan doctrines like the trinity etc. which were not the Words of God that Jesus referred the spiritual leaders of his day to refer to, in order to know who he was. The paganism of Rome in the roots of christianity makes it a false system. Yes, I have been used to heal others – in all events in my own relationship and communication with The Lord – as He directed me. I have never been healed by any person praying or laying hands on me in a church. I have on the other hand seen demonic spirits on “great ministers.”

I give T.B. Joshua a wide margin in judging his work because I personally know that satan hates deliverance ministry. Do I believe there is deception in deliverance ministry – yes, I do. All the Holy Gifts and manifestations are twisted in reflection in the unHoly…

Tom (Discerning the World)
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liz48 wrote

Christianity is founded on pagan doctrines like the trinity etc.

The Trinity (God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit) is a biblical doctrine no one can deny. However, your denial of the Trinity is a sure sign that you are not saved. Repent and believe the Gospel.

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight! (Isa 5:20-21)

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Liz48: You have a deceiving spirit that unfortunately is trying to confuse others that you are of the “way of truth”. You are confusing yourself to be a true Christian when you are so deluded that “you speak with a forked tongue”. Clearly you have no logical train of thought that can be discerned, but your allegiance is to a spirit that has deceived you, even Satan. Do not be surprised that that same spirit in you is squirming under the spotlight that you have attracted on yourself. You cannot discern the truth.

You cannot quote Scripture in context and try to choreograph falsehood as truth, but your mind is not able to say even what you are trying to portray. You are not able to post correctly and remove blockquotes between two posts and have them read as one that you respond to. Martin Horan and John Andrews posts have been portrayed as one. They both speak the way of truth and your arguments against them is like scrambled eggs – so is your doctrine and you speak in riddles that you, even yourself, cannot logically present as argument. Even Satan knows the Scripture, and from the beginning he twists the truth.

Tozer says: “Christless Christianity sounds contradictory but it exists as a real phenomenon in our day. Much that is being done in Christ’s name is false to Christ in that it is conceived by the flesh, incorporates fleshly methods, and seeks fleshly ends. Christ is mentioned from time to time in the same way and for the same reason that a self-seeking politician mentions Lincoln and the flag, to provide a sacred front for carnal activities and to deceive the simplehearted listeners. This giveaway is that Christ is not central: He is not all and in all.

Again, there are psychic experiences that thrill the seeker and lead him to believe that he has indeed met the Lord and been carried to the third heaven; but the true nature of the phenomenon is discovered later when the face of Christ begins to fade from the victim’s consciousness and he comes to depend more and more upon emotional jags as a proof of his spirituality.

If on the other hand the new experience tends to make Christ indispensable, if it takes our interest off our feeling and places it in Christ, we are on the right track. Whatever makes Christ dear to us is pretty sure to be from God”

You place your experiences and false gibberish and signs that are imagined or “manufactured by Satan. Those who preach Christ, and Him crucified are in another camp and “We cannot help you and surely you cannot help us with your “scrambled egg theology”.

But then you have not a clue what we are saying to you, and we are not “simplehearted” and our minds are sober. You are “drunk with a wrong spirit” and deluded. Are we harsh and unloving – no we just do not accept anything that would raise itself above Christ.

2 Corinthians 10:1-5 (KJV)

1 Now I Paul myself beseech you by the meekness and gentleness of Christ, who in presence am base among you, but being absent am bold toward you:

2 But I beseech you, that I may not be bold when I am present with that confidence, wherewith I think to be bold against some, which think of us as if we walked according to the flesh.

3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:

4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;

5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

You “war in the flesh”, and are deceived to do so by a counterfeit spirit that is not of God.

Alexia Chamberlin
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Alexia Chamberlin

Blessings
ps i want to say so much more but the article speak for itself.