Kobus van Rensburg is Building a Little Empire
Kobus van Rensburg is building himself a little empire – WAS THIS FUNDED BY MINISTRY MONEY? I BET YOUR BOTTOM DOLLAR IT WAS!
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So besides all the other occult teaching, flake healings and dubious practices that go on at his church he offers reflexology. What’s next Yoga? Contemplative Prayer? Oh I should not speak too loud.]
I love Kobus van rensberg he is a true man of God, i have seen with my own eyes how he loves and hugs the people riddled with aids, they also come back a few months later with fat where there was nothing. God Is confirming the word of Kobus and his ministrie with signs and wonders… i wonder if the people who r against him have EVER prayed for the sick…. GOD IS WITH KOBUS VAN RENSBERG oh and by the way kobus is free from cancer, Go read and see the raports….
Plese read here http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/01/29/springboks-healed-by-tb-joshua-sadly-pass-away/
There is no Difference between Kobus van Rensburg and T B Joshua.
we are not “against” Kobus van Rensburg. We openly question the “extra-biblical” perceptions/methods in “his ministry”.
we are not “against” healing. we openly question the “extra-biblical” perceptions / methods used in his and other ministries.
and yes, we do pray for the sick.
Well said !
We will just do what we do best. Help the lost with great love and patience.
The path is very narrow and straight and People don’t like to hear that.
I have never heard anyone preach the way Kobus Van Rensburg does. I dont dispute that miracles take place during his sermons. I dont dispute that people are convinced that they are getting closer to God via his ministry…… Although I cannot pinpoint an uncomfortable feeling that I have about him (or provide biblical “proof” of doctrinal error) there is something basic “missing” in his ministry – accountability. If ministers / preachers / prophets that are parts of much larger church set-ups (i.e. not just one man) manage to “fall” into sin, how much more is one single man not vulnerable?
>> Although I cannot pinpoint an uncomfortable feeling that I have about him (or provide biblical “proof” of doctrinal error
So you just go about checking to see if someone speaks the truth based on feelings? And the reason you have to go by feelings is because you don’t know the Word of God to be able to prove teachings to be true or false.
So what you gonna do to fix the problem becuase you can’t go through life on ‘feelings’ but on what is TRUE?
PS, what’s the point of being accountable to someone who is just as deceived as Kobus? The blind leading the blind. And you will never know Pieter how far the lies travel.
So again we are back at the place where you are to find your self approved and study the Word of God so that you are not deceived.
I personally have been blessed by Kobus’ ministry. that is a true man of God who is so much consumed by God’s relentless love. I would rather have people say such nasty things from personal experience. The man preaches Grace. i dare such people to visit spirit word ministries, or at least read this book “a place called there”, and then judge from personal experience. May God richly bless you all!!!
Would you mind explaining how you have been blessed by his ministry?
I cannot support what you are saying about his Ministry. If ever there was a man who needs to be stoned is him. I have a friend I have not wished to see for some time as she thinks all men who stand in front of a pulpit are “Great Men Of God”. Because of this she makes me stumble. You need to ask the Holy Spirit is it the flesh you seek or him.
ibelieve that you guys are also cults too cause you SEEM TO BE HOLIER THAN EVERYONE , ITS LIKE YOU ARE THE ONES WHO DIED ON THE CROSS OF CALVARY( JUS FOOD FOR THOUGHT , AS YOU KNOW ALL THE MISTAKES OF EVERY MAN IN THIS WORLD).GOD DID NOT GIVE US A MINISTRY OF CONDEMNSTION BUT A LIFE GIVING MINISTRY . IKNOW THAT THERE WOLVES IN SHEEP CLOTJING BUT MANY PREACHERS YOU JUDJE THEM ACCORDING TO HUMAN UNDERSTANDING
Why don’t YE SISTERS come over to Spirit Word and talk face to face with Kobus rather that talk your mouths or fingers off here……..
all bark and no bite……
Take this as a warning if you like…………if you do not stop……..we will still forgive you!
GO AHEAD AND DELETE THE POST………….THAT IS ALL YOU CAN DO!!!
Naaah no thanks Karl, we are told in the Word to turn away from these False teacher and Kobus is not he only one around spreading a false Gospel. Just read the blog an you will see.
“Should we allow false teachers into our home?”
Answer: The short letter of 2 John is written in part to warn believers against the influence of false teachers. John identifies them as those “who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh” and describes them as deceivers and antichrists (2 John 7). He goes on to prohibit receiving them into our homes or wishing them well. The question is whether this prohibition refers to those who knock on our doors today, such as Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses. Are we to deny members of these sects access to our homes?
It is important to understand exactly what it means that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. Many cultists will agree that Jesus was a man of flesh and bone who walked the earth around 2000 years ago. But that is not what John means here. He first addressed this issue in 1 John 4:2, telling us how to identify false teachers and the spirits who drive them. The first test of a true teacher/prophet of God is that they proclaim that Jesus is God incarnate in human flesh (John 1:14). Both the full deity and full humanity of Christ will be asserted by any teacher who truly comes from God. The Holy Spirit testifies to the true nature of Christ, while Satan and his demonic host deny that true nature. That is why John identifies anyone who denies the deity of Christ—which both the Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses do—as deceivers and antichrists.
What should be our response, then, when cultists come knocking at the door? John, writing by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, gives a clear answer: we are not to receive them into our homes. While John was likely more commanding against allowing false teachers to stay in your home than just allowing them in the door, the principle is the same. We are not to do anything that would give the appearance we approve of their message. Many people feel “called” to debate endlessly with cultists, bringing them into their homes for Bible studies or witnessing to them in chat rooms and forums. But God does not call us to do these things; He commands us to avoid false teachers. Cultists are master deceivers who are well-trained in techniques that will confuse those whose knowledge of Scripture is limited—the very ones cultists most often seek out. It is invariably these well-meaning and compassionate souls who dialog with cultists. But God’s desire is to protect the weak among His people and John’s prohibition reflects that desire.
John’s final warning regards “greeting” cultists, which the King James Version translates as bidding them “God speed.” This phrase in the Greek means to cheerfully or joyfully hail or salute someone. In other words, we are not to give cultists or anyone else the impression that we see them as having legitimate claims, doctrines, or opinions. We are not to bless them or wish them well. John tells us that to do so is to share in their wicked work. Christians are of Christ; cultists are anti-Christ, no matter how kind, sincere, and charming they may appear. We can have no fellowship with darkness or those who spread falsehood; rather, we are to separate ourselves from them.
But aren’t we to witness to them about Christ? Aren’t they the mission field? Interestingly, nowhere in the Bible are we called to witness to false teachers. Jesus tells us to “watch out” for them (Matthew 7:15) and Paul tells us to “avoid them” (Romans 16:17) and declares them to be “accursed” (Galatians 1:8). We are, of course, to be always ready with an answer for the hope that is within us (1 Peter 3:15), but that presupposes the cultist is actually interested in the true hope of salvation through Christ, something that is rarely, if ever, the case. We are to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15), but we are not to cast our pearls before pigs (Matthew 7:6). In regards to cultists, it is especially important to rely on the Lord’s wisdom (James 1:5) in discerning the difference between an opportunity and a distraction.
You have so much to say about every single known evangelist, pastor or preacher, be it past or present. So tell us, who is your Pastor and which church do you fellowship at because clearly there is not one perfect enough for you. Would love to know you who are accountable to and please do not do the ‘I am accountable to Jesus’ thing…that is immature and not biblical because God gave us pastors to be accountable to! You also mentioned earlier that you previously had the wordpress blog but had to shut it down due to death threats etc…shame hey? Do you think for one minute that if your are truly serving the living God, He is not able to protect you? Jesus received insults and death threats, as a matter of fact those death threats were carried out on the cross, but that did not stop Him from shutting down His ‘blog’..how many of the apostles were persecuted, threatened etc, but they did not close down shop. You also make it very clear that you don’t do ‘meetings’ and I have also noticed that every time some one has called your bluff and invited you to the very place you condemn as false, you come up with the same lame excuse! If you are led by the Holy Spirit, then why are you afraid of confronting these so called false spirits? I can not believe that so called christians can actually not understand that it is impossible for you to be right about every single teacher/pastor that you have attacked. Anyone with half a brain should be able to see through this. Sure, there are false prophets, but then you are called to pray for them not to attack them.God will deal with them,because the leaders will be judged severely. You try and impress people with quoting scripture, but you will never have revelation of the Bible until you have revelation of the author of the Bible. You can go right ahead and delete evey single comment I have posted on the various topics, it really makes no difference, because at the end God will reveal the truth. I cannot imagine being unsaved, wondering about Jesus, searching for Him and then stumbling upon this site! I would see NOTHING of the love of Jesus!! NOTHING! only condemnation and I would run the other way!
Becareful for God is not a God too be mocked and He is a jealous God when it comes to His children, His beloved. “It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God!”
I am sorry, I fail to see through this. Why is it impossible?
Amanda [aka a so called christian]
Why are you involved in an underground church then?
Theresa you really wanna know who is our Pastor? The one and only Greatest of them all Jesus Christ crucified. And please show us where in the Word does it say we have to belong to a church building. Yes you are correct no man is perfect enough for us in this deceiving world, as man is much to fallible in todays times just look at this False preacher/teacher who calls Himself prophet Kobus van Rensburg. He is a self appointed False prophet and make peace with that.
Yes I will say it out loud we are accountable to Jesus alone. I have news for you Theresa you are blaspheming God here!! How dare you say: “to say one is accountable to Jesus is immature and not biblical.” No! God did not give pastors as far as I know there where Apostles and Desciples. and No! we are not in any way accountable to any man for our sins but to God and God alone. You are really very lost in your false believes.
Theresa you have one sick set of believes you know that??
Only cruel people say that. Shame on you Theresa!!
I repeat Theresa you have one sick set of believes you know that??
A Shaky Foundation
Thus says the Lord: “Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, let not the mighty man glory in his might, nor let the rich man glory in his riches; but let him who glories glory in this, that he understands and knows Me….” –Jeremiah 9:23-24
It is true that much church activity is thrown back upon a shaky foundation of psychology and natural talents. It is sad but true that many a mother-in-law is actually praying that her handsome son-in-law may be called to preach because “he would have such a marvelous pulpit presence.”
We live in a day when charm is supposed to cover almost the entire multitude of sins. Charm has taken a great place in religious expression. I am convinced that our Lord expects us to be tough enough and cynical enough to recognize all of this that pleases the unthinking in our churches: the charm stuff, the stage presence in the pulpit, the golden qualities of voice….
I feel sorry for the church that decides to call a pastor because “his personality simply sparkles!” I have watched quite a few of those sparklers through the years. In reality, as every kid knows at Fourth of July time, sparklers can be an excitement in the neighborhood–but only for about one minute! Then you are left holding a hot stick that quickly cools off in your hand. Tragedy in the Church: The Missing Gifts, 32-33.
“Lord, confirm for each of us as pastors our divine call, that we might indeed build on a strong foundation. Then bring conviction and repentance to any in our congregations who are judging us with the wrong criteria. Amen.”
i was watching the spirit word channel and honestly liked the teaching. I have to confess i dont know much but want to really walk a true christian life and remain saved. But getting confused which one is true and which ones are not. As inmatured to christian life, i could easily fall into any. please advise how to chose and Elmarie based on your assessment which ones are good.
Firstly. Read ALL the comments on this page. The comments come from people who follow Kobus van Rensburgs teaching. If you think the comments are of a Christian nature, then you have a problem. If you find them offensive and completely unbiblical, then you are on the right track.
Once you have finished reading all the comments, you can go read the rest of the articles on this website.
If anyone hears of Sherry Shriner run like Forrest Gump. I was literally ill after reading her articles. She and Kobus will get along well.
Hmmm I actually had an article on her and it’s missing. I wonder if it didn’t get copied over from my old blog. I will find it and put it up again with additional info.
Hi Deborah, this is my first visit to this website, and wow! lots of information to reflect upon and, after all quite a practical demonstration of contending for THE faith that was once delivered unto the saints. I’ve read a few articles so far and replies mainly addressed by yourself and just want to congratulate you on the way you respond to some of the off beat and sometimes terrible replies, it is not easy I know. You really strike me as steadfast in your faith and I’m encouraged and inspired by that. Your doctrinal views I find to be biblically correct. I’ve been studying the Bible for some years now and still find it fresh and uplifting. God’s Word contains absolute truth and is relative to itself; self explanatory. The articles on this website doesn’t surprise me at all. It is a sad sight though how the body of Christ is hacked to death but I see it as a reality likened to the crucifixion. These are serious issues you’re dealing with, it’s a matter of life and death this problem of sin but I think you’re doing a great job. No-ones perfect but there are things that are just plainly not right according to true doctrine. I’ve found that most of the negative replies are said out of ignorance to true doctrine. In the past I have made the same errors purely out of ignorance and then by the grace of God repented of it and learned from the experience. It so so vitally important to study the Bible diligently and to understand the gospel…the deception is rife! We don’t all have the same measure of faith at any given time, that’s why we grow in it…so yes, keep responding in love and may God bless you and everybody who visits here!
Thank you Martin, thank you.
You are absolutely right, all topics on this blog are a matter of life and death and the people with negative comments are those who don’t understand what they are talking about and are ignorant to true doctrine. It’s also tough from my side to answer everyone and be correct all the time, this is why I spend so much time in prayer, asking Jesus to help me answer each and every single comment and let it not come from me alone.
It is so vitally important to study the Bible and more importantly I have realised over the last few months that in these times we are living in that it is vitally important to study the bible by ones self by the guidance of the Holy Spirit only and not be indoctrinated by men who give you their version of what scripture means.
When I got saved, I was completely new to Christianity in the sense that I had no idea that there were even different denominations. I found out very quickly (3 weeks) that the Christianity in the world was not genuine and I got stuck head first into finding out who Jesus is and what the Bible means in my life. I have not been indoctrinated, one bit, by any man’s teachings. I rely soley on the Holy Spirit for guidance once I am sure, only then do I go find confirmation from other born again Christians writings.
This is what I am trying so hard to tell people to do, to stop relying on other peoples sermons and explanations of scripture and to let the Holy Spirit guide them, if they don’t they are going to come unstuck and very quickly.
Thank you so much for you comment, and please if you feel the urge to comment more lol 😉 you are more than welcome.
I dont Understand why people like judging people and their doings, as God said do not judge, We rather Blame God for allowing people to peform miracle in his name and deceiving his children, because a bible states that beware of false prophets who will heal , peform all miracles with my name. but how will we know that these is a false prophet? Why God cant expose them , like when world restoration service exposes satanism? Why those who heal in Jesus name falsely cant be exposed to awake us? we are noe in a dilemma, we cant differentiate between black and white, like other churches a prayer is prayed in the name of edward , engenas and barnabas as the intermediator between the congregets and God via them . is these wrong or right? confused.
>>I dont Understand why people like judging people and their doings, as God said do not judge,
Wrong. We are to judge righteously: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/09/11/as-christians-we-must-judge-righteously/
>>We rather Blame God for allowing people to peform miracle in his name and deceiving his children, because a bible states that beware of false prophets who will heal , peform all miracles with my name.
No one is blaming God for anything. I don’t know where you get this from.
>>but how will we know that these is a false prophet?
We know they are FALSE because they preach lies and they twist the gospel of Jesus Christ and they steal money from people to build little empires.
>>Why God cant expose them , like when world restoration service exposes satanism?
What do you think this website is going?
>>Why those who heal in Jesus name falsely cant be exposed to awake us? we are now in a dilemma, we cant differentiate between black and white, like other churches a prayer is prayed in the name of edward , engenas and barnabas as the intermediator between the congregets and God via them . is these wrong or right? confused.
I don’t understand what you are asking.
Why is it that everyone who resembles what Christ said we would be is called a false prohet – Mark 16, John 14 ??
I find myself looking at my churches around me and many do not portray what Christ said we would. We are commissioned to bring the Kingdom to earth – The sign of those who believe is they will….. If were not we may have to examine ourselves or seek God and contiually ask Him WHY??. Thanks for reading my thoughts. Merry Christmas
Because this SPECIFIC ONE IS 😉
A young lady who I pastor just returned from Spirit Word’s Bible School. She was verbally abused and physically beaten up by AnnaLise, Kobus van Rensburg’s wife. This abuse needs exposed. Annalise needs help and both of them should step down from ministry for this. Other reports from the Bible School are horrifying and and embarrassment to Christian Ministry.
Oh my word. This is terrible.
How does one proceed on something like this? Will your young lady write a testimony which I can put online? What about the other reports…?
Kobus preaches good stuff, but unfortunately he preaches law when it comes to giving. He is falling into the trap of many other tele evangelists of using networks to further their own personal gain nad tehn claim that they are prosperous because of their giving! He may prosper, but one has just to visit Spirit word to see the wealth is not spread around. Recently I went to a service and couldn’t get prayed for as I had no money in my pocket. One had to come up and give the visiting pastor money to get prayed for! So I lost out, not rich enough. Apart from this the other problem is that apart from Kobus and a few folk at his church, the church is far from being friendly. maybe they are a bit wary of strangers who seem to come to get rather to give? Anyway he is a great man of God and I wish he succeeds in spreading much of his good teaching.
If he is a great man of God then no one these terrible things you mention would be taking place. And secondly his teaching are FALSE.
Bryan, do you know the Bible? In fact I challenge you, to a one on one; I will prove to you that Kobus preaches a false gospel and you must prove to me using the bible that he preaches the truth. Then afterward, tell me if this is a man of God or not? ok? How about it?
why is it always the preachers that get results that get accused of being false prophets? What about the boring churches down the road where no one gets saved, healed, touched, emotionally fixed etc. Just because someone is imperfect does not mean that he is a false prophet. I bet you someone could add you to the list! I believe that Kobus has good teaching and that does not mean i agree with everything he says. I certainly don’t agree with the tithing in the new testament and I believe it does get manipulated by preachers knowingly and unknowingly. As for arguing with me i will be off line for about 2 months. I think it is good to expose error, but don’t think all your doctrine is correct and don’t label every christian who thinks different to you as being a false prophet or say thay they are unsaved. Kobus has his heart in the right place and he is doing a lot of good for the kingdom, but he is still not 100%, but like they say if yu find a perfect church, don’t join it as it will then become imperfect. lease name me a perfect preacher!
So what you are saying is that you don’t know your bible at all because Kobus preaches what is called Manifest Sons of God teaching where they believe that before Jesus Christ returns people will be turned into little gods. If you knew your bible, you would know that that is FALSE TEACHING and stay far away from Kobus van Rensburg.
Another thing, do you have ANY PROOF that his healings are real? There are no proof. In fact I have asked members of his church for proof and they can’t provide a single document. How do you know people are REALLY AND TRULY saved? You don’t Bryan. You are only guessing.
Stop guessing. A TRUE MAN OF GOD’s doctrine is 100% correct. Yet you prefer lies mixed in with truth. What kind of a pastor is that? Where did he get his credentials from?
How do you know Kobus heart is in the right place? You are guessing again.
I have been physically threatened by his followers on this blog, you can go and click on the links above and READ what his followers have to say in the comments section – all there, nothing hidden.
And again, you are guessing that my doctrine is all wrong because you have not even asked me about anything you disagree with. Pfff. Bryan, Bryan, come now… your thoughts are pie in the sky, gimme something tangible to go on.
Same old story over again by those indoctrinated by word of faith teachings…defending man and not the scriptures…it’s amazing how much mind control these preachers and teachers have over their followers…they set up a type of hierachy (pecking order) which they call authority over their members and with manipulated distorted teachings extort money from their gullible flock.
Hi Deborah, I dont have enough knowledge of the Bible to ever get involved in arguments about false prophets or false doctrines, so mostly i have to go on what I “feel” about these things. my first feeling about kvr was not good. And I have to say, there is just something there I dont trust! I want to know if you agree with me or not – my problem with faith healings is, why doesnt everybody get healed, and why need something like a miracle pool? If you have a gift of healing, why dont you go out in the world (like the disciples) and heal people and spread the Word of God? Building these empires just feels wrong for me.
Read this article: Can Satan heal – http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/12/08/can-satan-heal/ You see, we are to go directly to Jesus Christ if we want healing 🙂 there is no middleman anymore.
Also, there are no more prophets: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2011/01/17/are-prophets-for-today-or-has-prophecy-ceased/ because each believer has the Holy Spirit and the bible contains all the prophecy we need 🙂
The miracle pool by the way is what the Jews used to go to when they were still under Law. John 5:1-15. We are no longer under Law because Jesus came to fulfill it. Except when you walk into Kobus’ church you are.
Did you know that Rat poison is also not pure poison?
In fact… it is 99% good food and 1% poison. It still kills.
Back again to pester you! You certainly like attacking people. If you are going for the 100% that is great so is Kobus. So you must alos be going for Perfection, Immortality, the manifested sons of God etc. Kobus says he hasn’t quite reached it yet so he admits he is not 100% yet. The bible is quite plain that we should be perfect like our heavenly father and that is what we should be striving for. Is there something wrong with that. So it is good to hear Robbie that you are perfect and more than 99%. I do know my bible Deb, but I doubt I could sit down with you and have a none emotional discussion as you would probably just go off the rocker. You don’t sound at all stable and from what you are saying I can see you know little of what the bible says. By teh way did you know that Peter had to be rebuked by Paul for preaching wrong or false doctrine – so in your terms he was a false prophet and so were the other apostles who Paul had to rebuke – and Barnabas. Paul himself got arrested for going to the temple and he was doing a Jewish rite as he was a Nazarene – so even he was not perfect and if a mans doctrine is imperfect then he is not yet there – find me a perfect man
Just looking at the Pool we have to consider that Jesus used many ways to heal. He used water in spit, mud which has water, cloths with the apostloes, the word, touching etc. So if he chooses to use his disciples today as vessels of teh Holy Spirit he can still do the same. The pool of Soloam was touched by the annointing through an angel and people were healed. Today in different churches God still heals and trys to make people whole and so if a pool is one means then so what is wrong with that. thelifeofjesuschrist.net
Attacking you? So asking you a question means I am attacking you? LOL. Anyway…
>> So you must alos be going for Perfection, Immortality, the manifested sons of God etc. Kobus says he hasn’t quite reached it yet so he admits he is not 100% yet. The bible is quite plain that we should be perfect like our heavenly father and that is what we should be striving for.
No Bryan, there is a big difference between being SAVED and having ETERNAL LIFE and being SANCTIFIED and GROWING to be like Jesus Christ vs Kobus who wants to be IMMORTAL (become a god / a Christ) on earth and will achieve it and become godlike! No person on this earth will ever be perfect EVER until we are in heaven. Kobus however wants to achieve this status while on earth.
Seeing that you know your bible so well, please provide scripture for me that states that we become IMMORTAL (a little god) on earth before Jesus Christ come back?
>> By teh way did you know that Peter had to be rebuked by Paul for preaching wrong or false doctrine – so in your terms he was a false prophet and so were the other apostles who Paul had to rebuke – and Barnabas.
Peter never preached false teaching. But in the case with Paul rebuking him, you know what Peter did? He repented for his error and stopped it. That’s the difference Bryan, REPENTANCE and a changing of ways. No FALSE TEACHER will EVER want to teach ERROR – they will make a point of finding out the truth because the guidance of the Holy Spirit in them.
Go read John 5 and then I want you to come back and tell me what you read there. I’ll give you a hint, it’s got to do with the LAW. Tell me why Jesus did not put the man into the pool to be healed. Then I would like you to please quote those well known scriptures for us please about what happens to those who do not keep ALL of the LAW.
A Man Healed at the Pool of Bethesda
1 After this there was a feast of the Jews, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 2 Now there is in Jerusalem by the Sheep Gate a pool, which is called in Hebrew, Bethesda,[a] having five porches. 3 In these lay a great multitude of sick people, blind, lame, paralyzed, waiting for the moving of the water. 4 For an angel went down at a certain time into the pool and stirred up the water; then whoever stepped in first, after the stirring of the water, was made well of whatever disease he had.[b] 5 Now a certain man was there who had an infirmity thirty-eight years. 6 When Jesus saw him lying there, and knew that he already had been in that condition a long time, He said to him, “Do you want to be made well?”
7 The sick man answered Him, “Sir, I have no man to put me into the pool when the water is stirred up; but while I am coming, another steps down before me.”
8 Jesus said to him, “Rise, take up your bed and walk.” 9 And immediately the man was made well, took up his bed, and walked.
And that day was the Sabbath. 10 The Jews therefore said to him who was cured, “It is the Sabbath; it is not lawful for you to carry your bed.”
11 He answered them, “He who made me well said to me, ‘Take up your bed and walk.’”
12 Then they asked him, “Who is the Man who said to you, ‘Take up your bed and walk’?” 13 But the one who was healed did not know who it was, for Jesus had withdrawn, a multitude being in that place. 14 Afterward Jesus found him in the temple, and said to him, “See, you have been made well. Sin no more, lest a worse thing come upon you.”
15 The man departed and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well.
bryan, go back and read the scriptures, PETER WAS NOT PREACHING FALSE DOCTRINE!
9And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
10Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.
11But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
12For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
13And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
14But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
15We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
17But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
18For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
19For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain
Peter was ACTING the hypocrite because he was afraid of the circumcision. Paul said that when he saw that he “WALKED NOT UPRIGHTLY” according to the truth of the gospel, Paul opposed him to his face….
And Deborah is right , he repented. You find Peter later in 2 peter 3 referring to Paul as our beloved brother Paul. Peter accepted the rebuke Paul gave him. This is not the heart of a false teacher! You will find that the false teachers DO NOT accept correction.
15And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Bryan commented…”So if he chooses to use his disciples today as vessels of teh Holy Spirit he can still do the same. The pool of Soloam was touched by the annointing through an angel and people were healed.”
Ofcourse He can do anything but He already has fulfilled everything at the Cross…hey do you guys understand Calvary???…what actually happened there…the greatest act of all,nothing else matters…have you been there??? all other things are red-herrings and pale into insignificance…why are you so fooled by man’s itchy cravings for the miraculous when the greatest miracle of all…God’s saving grace was performed there…get your priorities straight…people who are side-tracked by the miraculous are not understanding the full impact of what Christ did and want “extras”…ears tickled…signs and wonders…happenings that are strange…this type of faith is not the simplicity of the cross but comes from the sinful leanings of the human heart which finds the mystic and phenominal attractive.
Bryan you said…You certainly like attacking people.
Poor Bryan nobody is attacking you or anybody else…just false teaching…lies and abusing the scriptures…just be humble and without anybody’s influence start reading the bible prayerfully and with integrity so that God can give you the answer…please do not defend man or need a third party…if you really mean business with Him and are honest and entirely dependent on Him He will show and guide you…forget about all other advice.
>>Sylesa said, “PETER WAS NOT PREACHING FALSE DOCTRINE!”
Oh yes, that was the other thing, NO disciple ever preached false doctrine Bryan.
came upon your comments by chance. Why is there such a raucous about a man. Until someone goes to him and “opposes him face to face” this is truly a battle on unleveled ground. all of you have so much good to share. Why not do this, instead of fighting each other. Choice was given as a blessing to us, the created; you “choose” your path and accept responsibility for it good or bad, until you decide to “choose” otherwise
1) Kobus van rensburg has been questioned about his false teaching by others face to face and it has done nothing to stop him
2) We do not fight eachother (flesh) but principalities of evil (spirits) who’s sole aim it is to capture a mans soul
3) We are to PREACH THE TRUTH (the Great Commission)
4) As lovely as your little idea sounds (you “choose” your path and accept responsibility for it good or bad, until you decide to “choose” otherwise) – it does not work that way. The Bible is EXPLICIT that if you know the truth you are to WARN others. Otherwise the blood of that individual will be on YOUR HANDS.
5) I urge you to go read your bible.
Typical…the cart before the horse perception of those contaminated by word of Faith and all the other infections and nunu’s…Christ came to save us from our sin…bottom line…still there are teachers that cannot and will not face this and keep it simple.
Leona… you only gave half the truth and that is exactly what ear tickling is.
Choice can be both blessing AND curse.
Deu 11:26 Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;
Deu 11:27 A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day:
Deu 11:28 And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.
We must remember one thing. It is not about the man. Men and woman all over the world puts too much trust in men, in governments, rulers and even idols. Jesus said “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will I draw all men unto me” Jn.12:32. All this flamboyance to impress the multitudes is a grave misrepresentation of our Saviour. David was a man after the heart of God, but when he bore the presence of God (The Ark) which symbolically represented God’s presence, he made a breach in their relationship
(Read it in 2 Sam. chapter 6) The moral of the story for all saints alike, is the following:-
No matter what we do for God, even if we do it with all our might, unless the service is done God’s way, and according to his ordinances, we do it at our own peril. The “Church” or true believers need to rethink their methods when they endeavour to rich souls for the Kingdom of God.
Along the way reading all the posts, i really got tired. It is the same story over and over again. Kobus a false prophet. Accountable to God for our sins. Explain what you get from kobus’church. etc.
My humble feedback.
Only a real man of God can heal the sick, (did you see all the crutches, heard all the testomonies – my father-in-law had prostate cancer – HE IS HEALED. Kobus does the healing in the NAME OF JESUS
What I got there? Something I was searching all my life for – the belief that I am a daughter of God.
Accountable to God for sin? What sin? Was all sin not forgiven on the cross? Am I not free, can I not blamesless and guiltfree come not before God.
People, this is gossiping. And that is agains the law of Moses. Rather, much more fun, abandon that law, and accept the mercy and grace of God. Go to Spirit Word, listen, and give your money gladly so that Kobus can pay for satelite and all the other things He is doing in listening to Jesus : “Tell the whole world”
Mercy and grace to all of you
Hi, I have been to Kobus van Rensburg’s church – that is all I am going to say. Let the Lord be our righteouss judge.
Deborah I noted that you said the is a difference between being SAVED and ETERNAL LIFE? Dont you receive eternal life when you get saved by grace? Using quoted scripture please explain what you mean.
P.S. What is your opinion of Joyce Meyer?
>> Deborah I noted that you said the is a difference between being SAVED and ETERNAL LIFE? Dont you receive eternal life when you get saved by grace? Using quoted scripture please explain what you mean.
I don’t think I would have said such a thing. Once you are saved by grace you then receive eternal life. Unless I was arguing with someone who believed themselves to be Immortal, like the Kobus van Rensburg camp do. And I was stating that Immortality on earth had nothing to do with being genuine salvation, because their version of Immortality is not biblical.
My opinion on Joyce is written right over here: Joyce Meyer is a Little God With a Big Christ Consciousness
>> Deborah I noted that you said the is a difference between being SAVED and ETERNAL LIFE? Dont you receive eternal life when you get saved by grace? Using quoted scripture please explain what you mean.
I don’t think I would ever say said such a thing.
Once you are saved by grace you then receive eternal life is TRUE
Unless I was arguing with someone who believed themselves to be Immortal, like the Kobus van Rensburg camp do. And I was stating that Immortality on earth has nothing to do with genuine salvation, because their version of Immortality is not biblical – It is based on the Manifest Sons of God teaching.
My opinion on Joyce is written right over here: Joyce Meyer is a Little God With a Big Christ Consciousness
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Sounds like a BIG god to me Debs…
Oh well, there you go…
Wonder how Joyce subdues her flesh/sin nature – stuck it in a closet or flushed it down the toilet? I too am a sinner saved by grace, but I still sin. I’d like to follow Joyce around for a day and observe her sinless perfection.
Could be either BL… That 30 000 dollar toilet seems to be an antique closet.
Yip… I don’t lie. I sin too.
At least she admits the thick head?
>> At least she admits the thick head?
She does Debs.. >>> I didn’t stop sinning until I finally got it through my thick head I wasn’t a sinner anymore.<<<
hey kids don’t go so far, she is still a person, just, show some more proficiency. At least she admits the thick head? I fair judgment should’t go that offensive far. Revenge is from God right? and you already broke down her theology and showed her demonically materialist. Wouldn’t that be enought? just don’t agree with her words in a single point, that would be like giving her some sort of advantage in the “love your enemies scale”.
If you think someone is not a man of God and you are serving the living God, then tell your god to expose him instead spitting out venom of criticisms (or should i say jealousy).
If you think someone is not a man of God why don’t you be one and by your good works prove him wrong.
food for thought…………
That must be the most UNbiblical load of tripe I have heard in the last 2 months.
In the bible Jesus calls them vipers, Snakes, Hypocrites… etc
Paul exposed false prophets by name..
>>>1Ti 1:20: Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.
I agree, you should get Biblical.
Good to see you again Deborah!
I have a question about you saying there are no more prophets. If this was so then why are we told that for the equipping of the saints we are to have five fold ministry? The prophets,teachers, apostles, evangelists, and pastors in Eph. 4:11. If there were no need for these then why did God send these 5 ministries to equip? We must need equipping? And if everyone believes that it is solely the pastor that leads, etc., look at the fact that pastors are ONLY mentioned a very few times in the whole Bible!! I believe it takes all 5 ministries operating in a church to truly have an Acts church and to meet the needs of the endtimes. I don’t see anywhere where the pastor is the sole authority in any church or is supposed to be.
And are there false prophets, false preachers, etc.? Oh yes. The devil can and does copy the gifts he has seen. But a true miracle from God that is God ordained will be a complete healing and a total deliverance when it is needed. God is not in the business of doing things half way. I believe there will be signs, wonders and miracles. Everyone is so good at quoting the great commission but along with that great commission is also these signs shall follow you…. you shall cast out demons, heal the sick, take up snakes etc…. These signs shall follow those who believe, so there must be signs that we will see that are of God.
1st read this: (Explaining Dominion Theology that it is wrong)
http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/12/01/your-sons-and-your-daughters-will-prophesy-but-not-yet/ (Explains JOEL 2 and ACTS 2 PROPERLY!)
http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2011/01/17/are-prophets-for-today-or-has-prophecy-ceased/ (Prophets for today? Or has it ceased?)
http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2009/12/16/false-foundation-of-five-fold-ministry/ (EXPLAINS why the 5 fold ministry is unBiblical)
http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/12/08/can-satan-heal/ (Can Satan heal?)
The bible says about those who want signs and wonders (Matthew 16:4) “A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it…”
What a wicked an adulterous generation gets who follows false teachers and prophets gets is FALSE SIGNS AND WONDERS and Satanic healing.
I know not a man after the flesh but in the spirit.
Once I was in bondage trying to obey the law and striv
ing to please him but today freedom has come to me and i love the Lord more.
This freedom cannot be taken away from me and stop spying on our liberty.
Jesus has given us freedom and there is now no comdemination for any one in christ because the law of the spirit of life in christ jesus has set me free from the law of sin and death.Deborah you cannot take me back to law because the law kills and the spirit gives life. I have life and immortality.Discern which side I am in.
>> Deborah you cannot take me back to law because the law kills and the spirit gives life. I have life and immortality.Discern which side I am in.
I discern that this is satan speaking to me and I am not going to engage in conversation with you. If you think you are immortal while still on earth, then you are the fool.
u are just out to decieve and mislead the people who have open their heart to the truth.i think this ur muvement is anti christ ,very soon God will xpose u and ur followers.since i started listeninig to kobus hear in nigeria i can count how many miracles and signs God has done tru me.and my knowledge in the word is fantastic.go screw urself.
[Edited by DTW: Please note that Michael is from Michael Bertram Ministries]
Michael from a ministry?… Probably defend his last sentence as “tongues”?
Keep on paying him Michael, He is building a high place. Soon you will be able to see him from Nigeria without the dish.
>> He is building a high place. Soon you will be able to see him from Nigeria without the dish.
poor Michael, those last three words says it all!! LMAO!!