Brian McLaren Thinks Again! On Stuff…

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Deborah Ellish is the author of the above article. Discerning the World is an internet Christian Ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa. Tom Lessing and Deborah Ellish both own Discerning the World. For more information see the About this Website page below the comments section.

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  1. Roger Saner says:

    [EDITED: THIS IS ROGER SANERS comment that has been moved here (under correct article)]

    And since I’m going to have a whole slew of un-approved comments, here’s one more: an open invitation from Brian McLaren to this website to comment on Uganda’s proposed new bill to kill or imprison homosexuals:

    DTW, will you post about this on your site? Or will you ignore it, because you’re actually quite happy that gays should be killed?

  2. Michael Anthony says:

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    As Columbo would say; ..huh, just one more thing.

    Emergent pope Mc Claren ‘hopes’ that discernment sites will ‘discuss’ the so-called Ugandan death bill.

    He seems to be making anyone that questions his views into a bigot. That’s like a wolf complaining that the watchdog guarding the sheep is barking too loud.

    …and discernment websites have no Christian mandate to oppose Uganda’s government policies, the only mandates are –

    1. to call sinners like Mc Claren to repentance and the forgiveness of sin by Christ’s Vicarious death on the cross.
    2. to warn the flock that a wolf in sheep’s clothing is amongst them.
    3. to content earnestly for the faith given ONCE (not twice with a ‘NEW Christianity’ Mr. Mc Claren) to the saints.

    Jude 1:3
    Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.

  3. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

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    Roger as per the 10 commandments of thou shalt not kill, it is plainly obvious to a genuine Christian that MURDER is wrong. So what is you point Roger???? If you think for one second that I would be happy they are killed then you are a plain ill (or a just plain ill) informed human being. Homosexuals are sinners, just like me, and you an anyone else, and if we ask Jesus Christ for forgiveness and make an concerted effort to CHANGE our wicked ways thereafter.

    NO ONE NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE DESERVES DEATH, VIOLENCE, TORTURE, bestowed on them for their sin. They are still humans just like us who need to hear the gospel of Jesus Christ the Son of God and be saved. On the day of judgement what God chooses to do with those who wanted to live in perpetual sin and go against HIS COMMANDS I don’t know…that’s their problem.

    BTW, I thought God was Transforming Africa at a rapid pace? Did it slow down at Uganda?

    You Roger said about me on Ryan Peters site:

    One day I’d like to find someone who has the same presuppositions as her, but with opposite opinions, and stick ‘em in a cage fight.

    Where do you fit into this non violence picture. Its very clear that you would love to see me hurt, really hurt, blood gushing, possibly hurt to the point of death.

  4. Michael Anthony says:

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    Submitted on 2009/11/25 at 7:58am

    Brian Mc Claren denies

    1. A literal 2nd coming of Jesus Christ.
    2. The penal substitutionary atonement.
    3. A literal hell.
    4. The creation (genesis account)

    He is as relevant to established Christianity as Yasser Arafat was. Why does anyone even take him seriously? He is the ultimate orthodox disassembler, he can only be of his father the devil. He cannot possibly be born of God because he does not agree with what God has implicitly said, in fact he is in open rebellion to God’s established decrees. That is common sense along biblical benchmarks – so why are you quoting him as if anything he says means anything?

    Sodom and Gomorrah were not destroyed necessarily because of homosexuality; they were destroyed because the practice was not only allowed, it was condoned to the point of it being celebrated. You have to purposely misquote and mangle scripture to come with a different interpretation – with a guarantee of eternal punishment if you tamper with scripture to change the meaning into the opposite of what it says. (Mc C conveniently denies eternal punishment is a reality)

    Do you condone the practice? Yes or no? Do you believe God is OK with it? Do you celebrate it? And don’t play games here – and don’t use the Christians-hate-gays-because-they-oppose-the-practice logic, we are not 12 year olds that write with crayons. You know where Christians stand on ALL sin.

    The question again; yes or no?

    The 2nd question is; do you take Mclaren seriously?

    If you don’t why are you quoting him?

    And if there is no literal hell or Christ coming again (in judgment) what is all the fuss about? Who gives a rat’s ass about anything if none of this is true? (which ultimately is what Mc C believes – so why teach it? It makes zero, nada, no sense at all)Ultimately we all go to heaven right?

    The emergent argument is that there should be no argument; let’s all just discuss it till it’s meaningless…

    Which means debating with emergent thinkers is absolutely meaningless…

  5. cecilia says:

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    Michael Anthony, the name is “Brian McLaren”. (lol about ur xtra ‘c’!)

    emergent/emerging – what I see when I read things of them or about them anywhere, is this factor: it’s got to make sense. and because the God of the Bible doesn’t make sense because His thoughts are higher than ours, the little people change, add or leave out till they can ‘make sense’ of it. what a shame… and so many baaaaad sheep following them blindly …

  6. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Oh crickey, I moved all your comments made from one post to under this one and it seems it did not take your gravatars with…awwww now that it not nice.

  7. J O Spies says:

    Sometimes I wonder who people (leaving messages on this website) are fighting…???

    The whole idea of quoting someone is to show others what their point of view is and the position they have taken in, i.e. their opinion on scripture – what they believe the Bible says or doesn’t say…

    We need to be sure about what we are arguing about. The author of this website as well as some other regular visitors post constructive criticism.

    Then there are other people that I wonder about…

    J O

  8. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Jo, don’t be confused.

    Roger is the odd one out! (The Emergent)

    Also I moved all their comments from another topic to this one, so for now it all confusing.

  9. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    You read my mind on this one, hence I dedicated an entire waste of space 40kb in all to address Big Mc’s ‘trying to fix something that ain’t broken’.

  10. Roger Saner says:

    Thanks for posting Brian’s article here, Deborah, and for agreeing with him that killing people for being homosexual is wrong. I wasn’t sure that you’d ever agree with anything Brian says, so I’m glad that you’ve affirmed that commonality – horrible, isn’t it, that Uganda is considering this?

    As for my cage fighting comment, that was more about meeting you in person that it’s about seeing you hurt (which, as I’ve said before, I do NOT want). If you read my second comment on that site it explains the first: that your online anonymity is cowardly, and therefore no-one outside of your group of disciples takes you seriously. Clanging gong and all that. The best thing about seeing you in a cage fight is, well, seeing you – since you don’t do coffee or phone calls, perhaps something in your gaming past (Tekken, maybe?) calls you to shift-shift-spacebar-X round-house kick someone (me?) in the head!

    Michael, I would respond to you, but I’m banned from this blog.

  11. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Agreeing with Brian McLaren that murder is wrong does in no way mean I agree with Brian McLaren on anything else he has to say. Agreeing that murder is wrong does not make anyone Christian either. A genuine Christian however will never agree to murder. How ridiculous can you get Roger.

    Regarding the rest of your thought processing capabilities. Pathetic excuse and pathetic attempt at a cover-up. Your hatred for me shows up time and time again – you can’t hide it.

  12. Roger Saner says:

    Deborah, I don’t want to see you hurt, ever. I’ve stated that before, and I’ll state that again. I’ll stand up to defend you from anyone else threatening that, if it’s in my power to do so. I’d forgotten that you pick and choose how to interpret anything – the “cage-fight” is a METAPHOR, not a threat or whatever. Never been to a cage-fight in my life, and probably never will.

  13. Michael Anthony says:


    Methinks wannabe emergent K1 is obssessed with you.


    If you want to meet people for coffee and chat to strangers on the phone you should try a online dating site. But then again you could mutate like your cousin Ryan Peter and he/she could pretend to be a girl or vice versa, then you can have online coffee . Just stay anonymous.

    Trust me, I personally don’t take you seriously either.

  14. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    >> Methinks wannabe emergent K1 is obssessed with you.

    You wont believe this but someone told me this months ago already. Is it that obvious? I think I am going to try direct K1 in the direction of K2, K3’s newly found female friend. But if I am not mistaken k1 is married to k4, so K2 and K4 might not get along in which case I can see a crisis Emerging. K3 might start to feel bad about the situation (as bad as emergent’s can feel) and emerge with the fact that he is in fact K2 in disguise. This will shatter any emerging unity between K2 and K4 and K1 will be asked to sleep on the couch. Things could however get much more complicated because there might be a K5 involved but we have yet to establish their role in the matter.

    No one was harmed in any way during the making of this comment. All agents are alive and well. We know this because K1 will comment in the future again, along with K2/K3. We have spotted an infiltration of converted L’s but the rest of our undercover Alphabet has got them cornered.

  15. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Hey Brian McLaren… yooo hooooo…

    Why don’t you come here and dialogue. I am sure Paton & Saner Inc. have informed thee greatly of my annoying presence.

    Let’s talk about the Gospel of Jesus Christ and why you want to change it.

  16. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    I think you should work on your metaphors.

  17. barasheet says:

    Methinks that true understanding of what christianity is is misrepresented by quite a few people and also the understanding of the word murder. Me as a christian understand that the government that is righteous bears the sword to suppress evil and thus capital offences require capital punishment. In depth studies for the reason for this are found on plentry of websites so I wont reiterate them here. Murder is a capital offence and requires the blood of the murderer to be spilt by a human. When I say blood spilt think put to death for the lifer is in the blood. Bonhoeffer of Germany hatched a plot along with others to knock off Hitler again quite justifiable for a christian. If he was successful history would read differently.

    Uganda has a sovereign government and under biblical injunctions is quite within its rights to get rid of trhe abomination of homosexuality by death penalty, considering this abominational sexual deviant choice is exactly that a choice. Again we have the tool of the liberals the main media persecuting the innocent along with the false brethen siding with their liberal pals. The whole ugandan homosexual issue has not been reported in full but the theophobes and biblicalphobes have seet their own standard and reported what they want to be known, useful fools is the term the atheist mass murdering governments call them.

    Have written more tha what I was going to say but yay Uganda purge the unclean thing from your land.

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