Choo Thomas – Heaven is so Real – Is it Really?

Choo Thomas - heaven is so real

Now if you go into your local Christian bookstore (CUM Bookstores here in South Africa for instance), chances are you will find many a book about someone who is having some weird manifestation and even here in South Africa the acceptance of these strange stories are taking the public by storm.  People who read these books or attend these church gatherings and experience so called Holy Spirit manifestations, are so convinced that what they are reading or seeking or experiencing is from God because they; 

Speak in tongues, sing in tongues or sing heavenly songs, dance in the spirit, have visits to heaven and hell, laugh uncontrollably (holy laughter), get drunk in the spirit, bark like a dog, roar like a lion, become paralyzed that they can’t move for hours, fall over, faint, get woken up in the middle of the night and see an angel in their room, see lights appearing that look like a cross etc, see ‘Jesus’ showing up in their room or where ever, start shaking or have convulsions, jerk, experience strange body sensations, lose control of their body, get thrown around, manifest quick hand and arm movements, or their limbs become ridged, find their hands making strange signs/symbols, feel lighter than air, noticed a wind behind their breath, automatic writing, feel powerful, feel like they have power, go into trances or meditation states and have electricity running through the body, heat, pins and needles, etc, etc, etc.,

Now people listen carefully and read closely what I have written above and written below for you will see an absolutely remarkable counterfeit at the hands of a fake ‘holy’ spirit masquerading as THE Holy Spirit.

I am going to focus on Choo Thomas’ book Heaven is So Real, firstly because it’s such a big seller and secondly because of the strange, violent and fearful things that happen to her body before, during and after a ‘Jesus’ comes to visit her.  This faceless Jesus takes her to Heaven and Hell in an out of body experience.  This ‘Jesus’ tells her that the book that Choo Thomas will write based on what he shows her and tells her, will transform people, because people don’t believe in the bible, but will believe this book instead.

Amazingly millions of people do believe this book instead; they say they believe in the bible as well, yet hold this book in a greater ‘light’.  A New Age light.


Some characteristic Symptoms of Awakened Kundalini

An excerpt from Devatma Shakti (Kundalini): Divine Power by Swami Vishnu Tirtha.

Some characteristic symptoms of the awakened kundalini are here given below from Mahayoga Vijna, a treatise on the subject in Hindi by Shri Yognandji Mahrja, the author revered guru. They are illustrative and by no means exhaustive:-

  1. When throbbing of mooladhar begins, the whole body shakes, involuntary kumbhak (filling in of the lungs with air) starts beyond control, breath is forcibly exhaled out, without volition deep inhaling and exhaling of breath starts and the body gets uncontrollable, know then that Kundalini has awakened. You then should give up your assertion and sit witnessing what happens.
  2. When your body begins trembling, hair stands on roots, you laugh or begin to weep without your wishing, your tongue begins to utter deformed sounds, you are filled with fear or see frightening visions, semen passes out, think that the Kundalini Shakti has become active.
  3. When your posture becomes fixed, uddiyan, jalendhar, and moolband has come involuntarily, your tongue reverts back or rises up towards the soft palate and the whole body becomes so active that you are unable to sit still, your hands and legs stretch out forcibly, you ought to know that the Divine power of the goddess Kundalini has come into action.
  4. When your posture becomes fixed and sight is attracted toward the middle point of eyebrows, the eyeballs begin to revolve, you get automatic kewal-kumbhak, cessation of breath comes with no effort for inhaling or exhaling and the mind becomes vacant, void of all outward knowledge, understand that Mahmythe first born Shakti, the goddess Kundalini has come into action.
  5. When you feel currents of Prnarising up your cerebrum within you, automatic repetition of Aum starts and the mind experiences waves after waves of blissful beatitude, think the Universal Mother Kundalini has come into action.
  6. When different kinds of Nd become audible, in your spinal column you experience vibrations, feeling of bodily existence for the time being is lost, in other words you feel as if there is no body, everything looks vacant, your eyelids become closed and open not in spite of your efforts, electric-like currents seem flowing up and down the nerves and you have convulsions, know that Mahmy Kundalini has come into action.
  7. When with the closing of eyelids your body falls to the ground, or begins to rotate like a grinding stone and breath comes not out, the body squatted on floor cross-legged begins to jump from place to place like a frog, or moves from place to place, or lies down like one dead, hands may not be lifted even if so desired, you feel contraction of nerves, you feel as if your life is passing away, the body undergoes convulsions like a dying fish, know that Yogamaya Kundalini has come into action.
  8. When your mind gets influenced spiritually as if some spirit has taken possession of your body and under that influence different postures of yoga are involuntarily performed, without the least pain or fatigue and you feel increasingly buoyant, and simultaneously strange sort of breathing exercises start, think that the Divine power of Kundalini has come into action.
  9. When no sooner you have sat with eyes closed than in an instant the body begins to show activity of throwing out limbs forcibly, deformed sounds are loudly uttered, your speech begins to utter sounds like those of animals, birds and frogs or of a lion or like those of jackals, dogs, tigers, fear inspiring and not pleasing to hear, understand that the Great Goddess Kundalini has come into action.
  10. When you feel vibrations of prana at different stations inside your body and feel its flow wherever you fix your attention and nerves begin to show easy jerks like jerks of electricity as if passing through them, know that the Goddess Kundalini has come into action.
  11. When all day and night you feel within your body some activity of prana and whenever you concentrate your mind, your body at once begins to shake or begins tossing and your mind remains filled with joy and bliss at all times, even when at call of nature, even during sleep you feel currents of prna rising up in your sahasrrand even in dreams you experience Her presence, know that the joy-inspiring Kundalini has come into action.
  12. As soon as you sit for prayers your body begins to shake and in ecstasy of joy you begin to sing hymns in tones of music charming to hear and whose composition and poetry come out involuntarily, your hands giving a rhythmical clapping, and you pronounce languages you know not, but the sound ecstasizes your mind, know that the Goddess of speech, Saraswati, has awakened into action.
  13. When you feel intoxicated without taking any drug, while walking your steps fall majestically or like one drunk and you are unable to do any other work and you like to remain mute and dislike speaking to or hearing others and you feel like one drunk of Divinity, know that your Atma Shakti Kundalini, the power of Self, has come into action.
  14. While walking, when your mind is filled with an impulse to walk faster and your feet begin to move a running, you feel your body light like air and do not feel fatigued even having walked long enough, you feel buoyant and joyful, you are not unhappy even in dreams, you can keep the balance of your mind undisturbed in all ups and downs, and you acquire an inexhaustible energy for work, know that the Brahma Shakti Kundalini has come into action.
  15. When you are in meditation you see visions divine and fall in a dreamy state of mind, have divine smells, see divine figures, feel divine tastes, hear divine sounds and experience divine touch and receive instructions from Gods, then understand that the divine power of Kundalini has come into action.
  16. When you are in meditation, future unfolds its secrets to you or the hidden meaning of scriptures, Vedas and Vedntashine in your understanding, all doubts vanish, you acquire an insight into the abstruse meaning of the works on spiritual science even at their first glance, you acquire strange powers of oratory and feel not the need of approaching even Brahma, the creator himself, for knowledge and you acquire self-confidence, understand then that Kundalini the bestower of siddhis (occult powers) has come into action.
  17. When seated for meditation your sight becomes fixed on the mid of eyebrows, your tongue rises up for Khechari, breath stops altogether and mind plunges into the ocean of bliss, shambhavi mudr operates and you experience the pleasure of savikalpa samdhi, know that subtle power of Kundalini is in action.
  18. When at morning and evening hours punctually and automatically your body becomes charged with such of the divine influences, and body, mind and prnabecome overpowered by Her, know that the Goddess Kundalini is rightly functioning.


You know the Internet is an incredibly resourceful place when you are searching for information.  The problem is this information is not going to jump into your lap; you’ve actually got to look for it, research it etc.  The same thing applies when it comes to the Bible, the Word of God is not going to jump into your lap either, you have to pick up your Bible and look, read and study it.

I used to get a tremendous amount of hits for another article I wrote on Choo Thomas’s book – Heaven is so Real.  This prompted me to write this article which compares Kundalini in its rawest form to the manifestations Choo Thomas experiences while on earth and during her trips to Heaven.  Let’s have a look at some of Choo’s manifestations shall we and compare it to the above Kundalini manifestations.

But, before I start I just want to note one HUGE issue here and this is the idea of the ‘fire of the Holy Spirit’.

Choo said:   “I received the fire of the Holy Spirit while I was praying at home in January 1994. About a month later, I saw the Lords presence while I was worshiping at the Neighborhood Assembly of God in Tacoma.”

Let’s have a look at this verse:

Matthew 3:11 v 12

“Indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

So what we have here is a verse to supposedly back up the ‘anointing by fire’ that so many pastors (Benny Hinn etc,.) like to throw out to their audience as they gleefully ‘catch the fire anointing’.  But let me show you something; this ‘fire’ is seen in a bad way in the above verse.  John says that Jesus will baptize you with the Holy Spirit (for believers) and fire (for non believers) NOT the Holy Spirit AND fire or the Holy Spirit IS fire.  John carries on saying that Jesus will gather His wheat into the barn BUT burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

So Choo received the ‘fire of the Holy Spirit’ did she now?  There are tons of ministries out there who use the words ‘fire’ in their ‘oh so special little way’; be it in the name of their ministry or slogans or prophecies or anointing – Elijah list is an excellent example of this.  Todd Bentley from the Lakeland Outpouring would have blown fire out of his nose if he could have.

Anyhow, let’s get back to the Kundalini manifestations;

Choo Thomas’ uncontrollable shaking:

Kundalini manifestation:

No.1– the whole body shakes, involuntary kumbhak,

No.6  – you have convulsions,

No.7 – the body undergoes convulsions like a dying fish,

No.11 – your body at once begins to shake or begins tossing,

No.12 – As soon as you sit for prayers your body begins to shake.

“Ever since my body shakes at the church during prayer time” (12)

“On Easter Sunday 1995 while attending services at Puget Sound Christian Center, my body began to shake violently, (1,6,7,11) and we had to stay for second service. I was experiencing the same phenomenon known among Quakers, Shakers and early Pentecostals. Since then, my body never stops shaking in church or during my prayer time at home” (12)

Choo Thomas grew afraid of her Godly experience: 

Kundalini manifestation:

No.2 – you are filled with fear

 “The shaking was unremittingly forceful, and I grew afraid” (2)

Choo Thomas loses control of her body:

Kundalini manifestation:

No.1– the whole body shakes, involuntary kumbhak,

No.8 – when your mind gets influenced spiritually as if some spirit has taken possession of your body

During the night of February 12, my body shook more violently (1) than it ever had.  I was almost hurled from the bed because it was so forceful.  I tried to grab the sheet to steady myself, but I couldnt because I had no control over my body.” ( 8 )

Choo Thomas hears sounds and sees the Lord:

Kundalini manifestation: 

No.15a – hear divine sounds,

No.15b – see divine figures

“On January 19, 1996, I woke up at 3:00 in the morning. My body was shaking… I turned my head on the pillow to look in the direction of the sound, (15a) and there, all aglow, was a figure dressed in white garments. IT WAS THE LORD…” (15b)

“On the night of January 19, the Lords presence was so intense (15b) in my bedroom that I shook, perspired and felt very weak for more than an hour

Because of the trembling of my body (that always accompanied the Lords visits), (15b) Roger was now sleeping in the guest bedroom

Choo Thomas rocking back and forth because of stomach spasms (contractions):

Kundalini manifestation: 

No.2 – whole body becomes so active that you are unable to sit still,

No.7 – you feel contraction of nerves,

No.11– when all day and night you feel within your body some activity of prana

“You see, my body is moving back and forth right now, (2,11) if I dont do this, my stomach get very tight and it feel like exploding; (7) thats why Im moving back and forth. So please dont think anything wrong with my body. Thats the Holy Spirit doing this because Im talking about Jesus, thats why”

“Some say strange things happen to their bodies, (11) like their stomach getting tight (7) and some received the baptism of the Holy Spirit.”

Choo Thomas’s book has a special anointing and her book replaces the bible as the book that will convict and transform people into ultimate believers:

Kundalini manifestation: 

No.16 – you acquire strange powers of oratory and feel not the need of approaching even Brahma, the creator himself

“All these things are happening to people because it is our Lord Jesus’ book. As He has said this from the beginning, He has put a special anointing on this book so that people will be convicted and transform and He will be everything to them.” (16)

Choo Thomas manifests verbally:

Kundalini manifestation: 

No.2a – you laugh or begin to weep without your wishing,

No.2b – your tongue begins to utter deformed sounds,

No.9a – deformed sounds are loudly uttered,

No.9b – and you pronounce languages you know not,

No.12 – ecstasy of joy you begin to sing hymns in tones of music charming to hear and whose composition and poetry come out involuntarily

“And then, after this, He baptized me with Holy Spirit, with new tongues, (2b,9a,9b) Heavenly songs, (12)  Holy Laughter” (2a)

Choo Thomas is paralysed:

Kundalini manifestation: 

No.3, 4 – when your posture becomes fixed,

No.7 – or lies down like one dead, hands may not be lifted even if so desired

“…and I was so anointed for three hours and I was on the floor, I couldn’t get up because it was too powerful,” (3,4,7)

Choo Thomas receives extra biblical revelations and knowledge:

Kundalini manifestation: 

No.15a – you see visions divine and fall in a dreamy state of mind,

No.15b – and receive instructions from Gods,

No.16a – future unfolds its secrets to you,

No.16b – or the hidden meaning of scriptures,

No.16c – you acquire an insight into the abstruse meaning of the works on spiritual science even at their first glance

“After that, few months later, pastor Larry Randolf, he prophesied for me that he told me that the God wants to use me in such a special way. (15a,15b)  And all his prophecy was come true , thousand times, more. And after this, January, 1996 , Lord Jesus, He was visiting me with His visual presence. (15a) And He visited me for 10 times to tell me how He going to use, (15b) and the all the things, (16a,16b) His plans (16c) and He was telling me about it, (16a) as in the book.”

then, next visiting he showed me another sad thing. It was aborted babies. He took me to this one place it was a huge building. They looked like warehouse. When we walked in it, all I see was babies, tiny, tiny naked babies. And they were lying side by side. Humm, and I began to cry. Lord, why is so many babies. He say, they aborted babies. I said what are you going to do with them. He say If their mother be saved and they come to heaven, they will have their baby back. (15b,16a,16b) That was it.

“When we got to the top, I looked over a brown and lifeless valley.  Everywhere there was brown.  The whole region seemed to be filled with dead grass. I noticed multitudes of people who were wearing sand-colored robes roaming aimlessly in the vicinity of the pits yawning mouth. Their heads were hanging low, and they looked very dejected and hopeless. Who are these people, Lord? I asked.  They are disobedient Christians How long will they have to stay in this barren, lifeless place? Forever, My daughter.  The only ones who will enter My kingdom are the pure of heart-My obedient children.” (15b,16a,16b)

“The only one who will come there are obedient and pure hearted and He say preaching gospel is very important and He waited for awhile and He say those who don’t tithe, they are disobedient Christians.” (15b,16b)

“Heaven is so Real is our Lord Jesus end time book. He only used my body to write this book. He wants all believers and unbelievers to read it and prepare for His coming. He said, He is giving people a chance to know what it takes to enter His Kingdom through this book. Remember, none of our salvations are secure until the end. We must do our best while we have a chance.” (15b,16b)

He wants me to serve as living proof of the Bible and His prophecies, because many people do not believe what they read in the Bible, nor do they believe He is coming soon for His people.” (15ab,16abc)

Every word in this book is true. (16b)  The words of Jesus have been transcribed exactly as He said them to me.” (15b)

Like John, I had been called to write, and my mission was the same as his-to let people know that the marriage supper of the Lamb has already been prepared, and blessed are those who are invited to be there on the last day.” (15ab,16abc)

“Innocence, trust, purity of heart, fascination, a sense of wonder, belief, joy, happiness, present-moment living-all these are some of the magical qualities of childhood that God wants us to exhibit to get to heaven.” (15ab,16abc)

Choo Thomas’ strange hand/limb movements:

Kundalini manifestation: 

No.3 – your hands and legs stretch out forcibly,

No.8 – under that influence different postures of yoga are involuntarily performed

Sometimes the power of His anointing on my hands and arms is so strong that I feel as if my hands are actually breaking apart. (3)  One Sunday morning my hand touched my eyes thirty-six times, ( 8 ) and before each of these touches, my hands made seven different strange movements.” ( 3,8 )

Choo Thomas sees a frightening vision of hell:

Kundalini manifestation: 

No.2a – you are filled with fear or, 

No.2a – see frightening visions

I could see fumes and dark smoke rising from a deep pit. It was like the crater of a volcano, and inside I could see flames scorching a multitude of people who were screaming and crying in the kind of agony that only the severely burned truly know.” (2a, 2b)

Choo Thomas leaves her body as she visits heaven:

Kundalini manifestation: 

No.6 – feeling of bodily existence for the time being is lost, in other words you feel as if there is no body

“But He didnt tell me He was going to take me to Heaven. So, after 10 times, February 19, 96, He began to take me to Heaven with my transformed body, like His Spirit body, my body.” (6)

“…and His presence shows and His spirit body, my spirit body (6) and we go to the beach.”

Recurrence and punctuality of Choo Thomas’s manifestations:

Kundalini manifestation: 

No. 18 – When at morning and evening hours punctually and automatically your body becomes charged with such of the divine influences

“Ever since, He never missed once, He bring me there every Monday with my transformed body. He wake me up about a few minutes after 12 o-clock every Monday Morning. ( 18 )  He shakes my body for 30 minutes, exactly 30 minutes; never less, never more.” ( 18 )

“Well, the end of the visitation was after I took care of the manuscript of the book. Then He brought me to the earthly beach. And we spend about a couple of hours. He told me He will bring me there every Monday. ( 18 ) That was May 27, 1996.”

Choo Thomas is content and happy during her outer body experience:

Kundalini manifestation:

No.5  the mind experiences waves after waves of blissful beatitude,

No.11 – and your mind remains filled with joy and bliss at all times,

No.17 – and mind plunges into the ocean of bliss

“And then, when we go there, you know, He talks mostly, I listen. Then I sing, I dance with my spirit body and this is the best time of my life right now.” (5,11,17)

As we can see, Choo manifests 85% of the Kundalini ‘symptoms or manifestations’…what a coincidence!  I think not!  Lakeland Outpouring, The Toronto Blessing, Brownsville, Pensacola and Azusa Street etc., also manifest the same ‘symptoms’ – another coincidence?  NO!

People run for your lives!  Your salvation depends on you not being caught up in this vile deception.  By acknowledging and accepting her book or these strange manifestations as being of God you are acknowledging and accepting a demonic spirit or two (maybe more) to come into your life and destroy you – spiritually, physically, emotionally and mentally.



  • When people tell you that Jesus is actually showing up or they saw Jesus in a vision etc., remember this:

Mat 24 v 23-27:   “23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.  24 For there shall arise false Christ’s, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.  25 Behold, I have told you before.  26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.  27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.”   (i.e., we will NOT see Jesus again in ANY form (visions included) until his second coming.)

  • When people tell you that God ‘told them so’ or ‘gave them the vision/prohpecy’ hence you MUST believe it, but it does not tie up 100% with scripture, remember this:

Jeremiah 14 v14:   “Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.”

Ezekiel 13 v 2-9:   “2 Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who are now prophesying. Say to those who prophesy out of their own imagination: ‘Hear the word of the LORD!  3 This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing!  4 Your prophets, O Israel, are like jackals among ruins.  5 You have not gone up to the breaks in the wall to repair it for the house of Israel so that it will stand firm in the battle on the day of the LORD.  6 Their visions are false and their divinations a lie. They say, “The LORD declares,” when the LORD has not sent them; yet they expect their words to be fulfilled.  7 Have you not seen false visions and uttered lying divinations when you say, “The LORD declares,” though I have not spoken?  8 “‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: Because of your false words and lying visions, I am against you, declares the Sovereign LORD.  9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of the house of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign LORD.”

  • If someone tells you that Satan can’t make visions or prophecies come true, remember this:

Deuteronomy 13 v 1-5:    “4 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,” 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him.”

  • When people tell you that they can see Angles, or have an Angel guiding them, or have Angels imparting wisdom or biblical revelation, remember this:

John 14 v 26:    Jesus said  “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”

  • When people tell you that these ‘strange’ manifestations are from God, remember this:

2 Timothy 1 v 7:  “For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.”

2 Thess 2 v 9-10:   “Even him who is coming after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not a love of the truth that they might be saved.”

  • If people tell you that Satan can’t cast out or deliver people from demons, remember this:

Matthew 12 v 27:   “Jesus said to the Pharisees:  “And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.”

  • If people tell you that signs and wonders bring people to greater heights in their faith or lead people into a truly born again experience, remember this:

John 12 v 37:   “But although He had done so many signs before them, they did not believe in Him.”

John 4 v 48:   “Then Jesus said to him, “Unless you people see signs and wonders, you will by no means believe.”

John 6 v 26:   “Jesus answered them and said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw the signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled.”

(Bread = Word of God. You believed by hearing the gospel, not by seeing signs and wonders)

Matt 24 v 24:   “For false Christ’s and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.”

  • If someone tells you that a particular person is anointed (hence you HAVE to listen to them) but you yourself are a truly born again believer, remember this:

1 Jonn 2 v 27:   “But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.”

I John 2 v 20 v 21:    “But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth.”

  • If any Christian seeks or needs signs and wonders to show them who Jesus is, then something is very wrong with their spiritual lives, because the Holy Spirit brings ALL things to your remembrance for those who are truly born again, remember this:

John 14 v 26:     Jesus said,  “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”

  • Remember this:

2 John 1 v 9:    “Whosoever transgresses and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son”

2 Thes 2 v 11:     “For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they might believe what is false in order that may all may be judged who did not believe in the truth but took pleasure in wickedness”

  • With regards to Trips to Heaven. 

2 Corinthians 12:2-4   Paul said…  2I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago–whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows–such a man was caught up to the third heaven. 3And I know how such a man–whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, God knows– 4was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which a man is not permitted to speak.

If Paul the greatest Apostle was not permitted to speak about Heaven, then anyone else who claims they have been there and written an entire book telling the story, is either very deceived and did indeed see something but it was not from God, or they are liars – making it up as they go along.  There is no in-between on this one.


Choo Thomas passed away on the April 13, 2013 at age 74.

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Discerning the World is an internet Discernment ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa that was founded by Deborah du Rand in 2008. Tom Lessing joined Deborah in May 2013. Tom Lessing founded the website “Waak en Bid/Watch and Pray” which was closed in 2013 and articles moved across to DTW.

74 Responses

  1. Michael Anthony says:

    Bob De Waay was on Jan Markel’s radio show a while back – very interesting program on claims of trips to heaven and hell.

    (the mp3 audio link is there)

    Rule number 1 on manifestations:

    The fruit of the Holy Spirit is SELF-CONTROL. (Galations 5:22)

    These manisfestions are devoid of any self-control. Because…of a lack of knowledge & understanding.

    2 Peter 1:6 (New King James Version)

    6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness,

    The bible is clear.

  2. Hi Deborah. Wow! You really did some homework! I love how you have been able to hit the nail right on the head with CT.
    Thanks for letting me use your one post on her. now I have to point people to this article! You have done more studying on her than i have been able to find. Thanks, I really appreciate it. It keeps me from having to go out and buy the book!

  3. cecilia says:

    trust me, the book = waiste of money (someone made me a photocopy, so I didn’t pay anything tho’). people think to read the book is to see heaven! no, serious! my tough job is to explain the truth to ex-Hindu’s. they LOVE this book and circulates it as far they can! this book is bad news in the circles of ex-Hindu’s!
    aaawwhh well, knowledge comes from Word+Holy Spirit will quicken the right words at the right time!
    But yeah, +++ 4 u Debs!

  4. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Redeemed Hippie

    Yip, cos that book has trapped a person I once ‘knew’. They told me about it and I read it. When I tried to tell them there was something terrible about the book they refused to listen.

    So I went all out to analyse and research Choo Thomas. And now you really don’t need to waste your money on the book, by a chocolate instead :)

  5. Rista says:

    Hi Deborah, I ‘stumbled’ upon this post and have a question – not really relevant to the heading but to ‘Scriptures to remember’ part. A friend who does missionary work in India told me that Jesus appeared to the son a chief of one of the remote villages where they had no success with bringing the gospel and told him to tell the rest of the village that He is coming soon and they have to get ready for He is going to judge everyone with fire. They came to the missionary in the area and asked him to tell them about ‘his’ Jesus. But for the fact that they asked to be told more about ‘his’ Jesus and what they have to do to accept Him as their Saviour, I was very skeptical – the people around there grow up as Hindus and their kundalinis must be awakened at an early age. Apparently this is something that is happening quite often these days and it seems as though these people are giving their lives to Christ in big numbers – with repentance and being baptized. I think it is a lot easier to simply accept these appearances as legitimate when one has no knowledge of the kundalini spirit and its effects on a person. Have you ever watched Eben Swarts’ DVD’s on the kundalini?

    God bless and keep well!

  6. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    ….that Jesus appeared to the son a chief of one of the remote villages where they had no success with bringing the gospel and told him to tell the rest of the village that He is coming soon and they have to get ready for He is going to judge everyone with fire.

    Totally correct. This is not Jesus Christ.

    No 1. Jesus said that if anyone tells you they saw Him here and there, that they are not to be believed for the only time we will see Jesus again is when He returns and then EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM.
    No 2. “going to judge everyone with fire” This sure sounds like Satan. Judgement by fire yes for the unsaved, but not for born again Christians.
    No 3. The Bible is the Word and the Word is Jesus Christ. If the people were not wanting to accept the Word by the working of the Holy Spirit then something is wrong…which leads us to this…
    No 4. This Jesus that showed up did not lead the people to the Word of God.
    No 5. This Jesus did tell the ‘truth’ kinda; Satan is coming as a false-Christ and he will judge everyone with nothing but death and destruction.
    No 6. Of course people will be baptised under false teaching and come to some form of false repentance. Satan counterfeits everything.
    No 7. So this false Christ is appearing to Hindu’s too in droves and they are coming to a false salvation? Well it’s happening with Muslims too.

    Kundilini is the awakening of the serpent (Goddess Kundilini) at the base of your spine. (You feel heat, electricity, you convulse, see visions, dreams, all sorts of thing, you find god inside, and become god). To put it into western terms: the moment you start to practise contemplative spirituality you are immediately activating the Chakra’s in your body. 1st Chakra at the base of your spine all the way to the top of your head. The energy flows up and down the body as though it’s a snake (think of a spiral like DNA). As you start to activate these Chakra’s you end up opening your ‘third eye’ and you have an ‘awakening’ by a FALSE ‘holy spirit’. This can be drawn in the diagram of the tree of life. There is a ‘tree of life’ in every religion and it all ends up at the same point – where you become god and infused with the cosmic Christ and the universe and all sorts of rubbish as you reach the 7th Chakra aka Crown chakra at the top.

    What used to take occultists years to practise and achieve can now happen in a few minutes, just by having someone lay hands on you, or just sitting in silence in your room ‘meditating’. Satan is running out of time, he is working super fast and he can’t wait years for people to accept the false spirit that is snatching souls at a rate of knots, so he has given people ancient knowledge on a platter to the church and they are feeding it to the flock and they are lapping it up.

    I am actually doing an article on this… been working on it for a while now, but seeing that you asked this question I will try get it out sooner because what I have to say will explain exactly what is being taught and how all the 5 Christs from the 5 major religions fit into the picture.

    As for the DVD, nope I have not seen it.

  7. Mariette says:

    But sometimes God turns evil (sometimes unknown) intent into good results? I heard about similar story like above of where a chief in a very remote place in Africa received a vision of a man, calling himself Jesus, saying to gather his people together for He is sending His people to tell them more about Him. When the missionaries got there, all these people were waiting for them. There is an explosion of baptism there and of witchdocters turning to the living God. You want to say that Jesus will not appear to anyone in these days?

  8. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    You want to say that Jesus will not appear to anyone in these days?

    Well my bible says this:

    Matthew 24:23-27 23 If anyone says to you then, Behold, here is the Christ (the Messiah)! or, There He is!–do not believe it. 24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise, and they will show great signs and wonders so as to deceive and lead astray, if possible, even the elect (God’s chosen ones). 25 See, I have warned you beforehand. 26 So if they say to you, Behold, He is in the wilderness (desert)–do not go out there; if they tell you, Behold, He is in the secret places or inner rooms–do not believe it. 27For just as the lightning flashes from the east and shines and [h]is seen as far as the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.

    What bible do you read?

  9. Mariette says:

    (Oh I could’t find this post – praat van verstooidgeid).
    I read the Bible NKJV .

    Yes, I was also thinking about the verse you quoted above (and thinking alot about this verse in general nowadays). But it’s like there is a third party involved during “misleading”. A person goes to another person and tells about an appearance of Jesus. Third party scenarios many times creates havock doesn’t it. But when Jesus directly appears to the primary person to introduce that person to salvation?
    I immediately thought about the life-changing event Saul went through, this after Jesus’s resurrection right, (Acts 9:5)
    -“…And he said,’Who are you, Lord?’ Then the Lord said,’I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. It is hard for you to kick against the goads.'”
    Saul relives what happened before authorities in Acts 22:8, telling them – …”So I answered,’Who are You, Lord?’ And He said to me,’I am Jesus of Nazareth,whom you are persecuting.'” (Confirming there weren’t some mistranslation – it’s actually meant to say Jesus).

    But certainly yes, if another person comes to me claiming anything regarding/surrounding Jesus, I have learnt to be very cautious (yet, I have been mislead a few times).

  10. fiona says:

    but if muslims are having visions of Jesus and they are truely repenting and turning to Jesus, then isnt Satan taking a risk that some of thesee people will really repent and come to know the Lord and be saved? Why would satan take that risk? Why wouldnt satan just turn up as a more alluring hindu god with healing power to definetly keep them from Jesus and the Gospel?

  11. fiona says:

    Do you believe there any miracles or signs today which are genuinely from the Lord? Ive seen a few, not many, spontaneous healings in the Lord’s name which brought about the person’s conversion to follow Jesus.

  12. Phillip says:

    Thank you for an article well researched. ‘This kundalini evil spirit is the one which will cause the most confusion / damage in Christianity of all times’; this devine message was given to me whilst I was doing research on the same subject. I aslo came across many horror stories related to this demonic spirit.

    You might have noticed the massive kundalini display (complete with chakras) with the opening of the Commonwealth Games in India recently – demonic arrogance.

    David writes:
    I went to Lakeland 3 times. I was so drawn to go there. I really thought it was of God… I had so many supernatural experiences – to seeing a mystical Jesus with a third eye, angels talking to me, visions, being transported. ……I had one experience with my daughter being in the room and her experiencing it too. I was roaring like a lion, had gold dust and many other experiences. The worst thing that happened to me is that it got sexual. This false Jesus was approaching me sexually and I fell into it. I still to this day do not understand how I could have been so decieved. I have been a Christian since the age of 16. I am 49 now… I fell right in… hook,
    line and sinker. When I came home that last visit I became aware it was demonic, and I was surrounded and covered with demons literally, it was so horrible, all that I went through, you cannot imagine… I was seeing demons and being touched sexually and tormented constantly.. it has been 1 1/2 years and I am still battling these demonic spirits. I cry out to the Lord everyday for total deliverance. It has been horrible. I have renounced and repented, but still fighting.

  13. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    Oh my word, that is such a tragic testimony :(

    Yes I saw the opening ceremony for the Common Wealth games and oh boy how bad was that? Now people who didn’t know anything would go and research to find out what it’s all about.

  14. Daughter of Zion says:

    I started reading the book two days ago. My aunt recommended it to me. Right now I wished I had never some across it.last night I read the part where her body was contoured and transformed so many times. The pain and agony she went through. Couldn’t understand what she was talking about most of the time. I went to sleep and all through the night my body hurt me. I woke up thinking I hurt so little and marvelled at what CT had been through.

    Got my senses back. Went online to research cause I knew something was really wrong with me. I’m in shock! Iv prayed rejecting the book and whatever I got from it. My body hurts a little now (its no coincidence-this has never happend to me before!)

    I wont be opening another page.

  15. Daughter of Zion says:

    Sorry!! So many errors :)..should have read it after typing. Oh my

  16. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Dear Daugher of Zion

    Thank the Lord Jesus Christ that you shut that book closed as fast as your opened it. Now just ask Jesus forgiveness for reading it and all will be 100% back to normal. In future, first do research on the book ;)

  17. Daughter of Zion says:

    Done! I will definately do a research. Nothing is worth seperating me from the Love of the Lord! Stay blessed.

  18. SYLESA says:

    Hello all. I have been reading some of the blogs. The condition of the “church” is very frightening. So much deception, the scriptures are being spiritualized and allogorized and twisted by so many false teachers and false prophets and false apostles , so called and self appointed.I pray that the Lord will give me and all of you out there that are searching to know the truth, the discernment we all need to overcome the myriad of false doctrines that are out ther today.

  19. Love says:

    I read this book and recommended to many people. :(

    Can I tell you something, I was reading it and finished it in two days… It’s how fast I rad all books. Anyways, I hate the fact that she always made it sound like she was so perfect and always obedient, and always goody goody. It annoyed me, because as human we’re all sinners. She always seems to reiterate how she was the “chosen” one and that annoyed me too. So what you’re more special than me? God’s love is never ending and never changing but most of all he loves us all the same whether we’re super obedient or not. Good works and his approval does nott make one better.

    So, after I read that books, there was a fear in me that was instilled. I stayed up all night, crying and asked Jesus, will i get to go to heaven? I’m nit as obedient as her, but will I get to go to heaven? Will I get to see you? I am doing all I can Jesus to be good. And for days I tried to do everything perfect, I felt like I wasn’t good enough, I cried. I rebuke this stupid book because it instilled fear, hate, rejection in me all because she made it like she was so much more “special” than I was. Jesus chose her.

    I believe that was a spirit of evil. On her website there was some people she quoted and took articles and reposted them – a lady when to he’ll with Jesus and saw Christians in hell because a lady did not pay her debt like credit cards, then another that was in hell because she did fraud and didn’t repent, another was in hell because she did not forgive! Really? Where is the grace and love of God here. I don’t know what this choo thomas,as is trying to do but she is trying to instill fear into people, but we are to only fear God with love.

  20. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Thank you Sylesa!

  21. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    I know exactly how you feel. When I read her book I felt the same way. I thought, why is she so special and I am not. What did she do to become to special and what must I do to become as special as her? I cried. I felt terrible. I was only on page 20. The holy Spirit told me to throw the book away. I threw it away and the bondage that was over me left.

    As born again children of God we are ALL EQUAL. :))

  22. sylesa says:

    i have come to realize that the written word is our only anchor for our soul and for our faith. The scriptures say that god has given us all things that pertain to life and godliness in the Word of God.Every feeling, every thought, and yes every EXPERIENCE must be measured by the Word of God.How else to protect ourselves from lying signs and wonders? For instance, the scriptures say {Paul speaking}…if i or an angel from heaven preach to you any other gospel than that which you have recieved, let him be accursed! AN angel speaking from heaven would be quite an experience, however , a deceptive one! NOTHING trumps the written Word of God, not even our experiences, let alone our subjective thoughts and feelings! We are fallen and our hearts are desperatly wicked and deceitful and we all would do well to trust Gods Word and not all the unbiblical ideas and “experiences” that people are having. If we search for these “experiences” , i am sure that Satan would aide our own corropt nature and happily ablige.

  23. David says:

    Yeah, I was in a bad place when I read this book and it scared me so badly that I literally had fear in the pit of my belly…I tried to get my act together after reading this book. In hindsight, given where I was at the time, I supposed God used to it to REALLY shake me up–and believe me, I had a total spiritual meltdown over the whole experience. But I had the fear, the feeling of hopelessness of ever seeing Heaven, the panicked, fearful attempts to clean up my act—constant worry, sometimes so bad that only the Spirit could calm me down…I spent days trying to figure out how I could ever make it past the “valleys” of Heaven–and even decided a valley was better than hell.

    Took me a loooooong time to get away from this book, and sometimes it still haunts me. Took a number of people talking about it with me (some of whom got a bad feeling from the book or her site) and even a deacon friend of mine who went over, point by point, with me how what Choo said was off and how it was demonic while he sent me a number of researched articles about her.

    But yes, it’s BAD–and there are STILL a LOT of people being taken in by the book. It’s an 80%/20% lie where a lot of what is said SEEMS to line up with the bible, but it just has that 10-20% TWIST that makes it a lie….ex:the book goes on about obedience, so I would freak out when I read about obedience in the NT…so it SEEMS to line up, but it discounts the context of the NT etc…she is INSIDIOUS…

    She’s also deceived—she’s had this big light show sprung on her, the “angel of light” experience, and that might throw anybody–especially in her case as she was so worried about still going to hell even after whatever initial conversion experience she had.

  24. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    Thank the Lord you saw the light and got away from this book. Many can’t see anything wrong with this book and the more the read the more they get sucked into it’s satanic power. This book is possibly the most horrendous book I have ever come across.

  25. Mary Ann W. says:

    “That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ.” Ephesians 4: 14-15
    I found this book to be a troubling mix of fact and fiction; Biblical fact and man-made doctrine (1 Timothy 6: 3). Although the writer states in her introduction that she does not present this book as doctrine, the young or undiscerning Christian will read and accept all of this material as such. Ms. Thomas is correct in making this statement about her book not being a basis of doctrine as a ‘disclaimer’ but at the same time she has a responsibility before God to make sure what she is presenting in written form as an evangelist is doctrinally sound (2 Timothy 4: 1-5). Unfortunately, I found most of this book to be doctrinally unsound.
    For example, references to saints in a wilderness holding place prior to the Judgment Seat of Christ at which time they will be cast into Hell is totally unscriptural. You are either saved or lost; there is no in between before or after physical death! Jesus declared to the repentant thief on the cross in Luke 23: 43, “This day you will be with me in paradise.” Her visions of saints in sand colored robes, and gray robes are also unscriptural. The only Biblical description of saints in robes is found in Revelations and they are all white: Revelations 6: 11 (martyrs) ; Revelations 7: 9-14 (those that came out of the Great Tribulation).
    Unfortunately, I believe what is being ‘preached’ in this book is a gospel other than what Christ preached (see Galatians 1: 8-9). What we cannot validate from scripture must be tossed aside as unsound doctrine.
    I can truly believe someone being ‘caught up into heaven’ as Paul was but not 17 times. I don’t believe Ms. Thomas or any of us can stack ourselves up to equal the life, call and ministry of the Apostle Paul and all that he suffered for answering the Master’s call. He only spoke of being caught up into paradise one time. Elisha, Elijah and Jesus himself, was taken up once. Also, the many references to Jesus calling her His “special child” is suspect. Are not each one of us special to the Lord? Is He not a respecter of persons? To as many as received Him to them gave He the power to become and be called the sons of God. The inference is that since this person is so ‘special ‘she has a special message from God that everyone needs to hear. Aren’t the warnings and teachings in scripture enough or do we need a ‘new message’ that deviates from the tenant of scripture to warn us?
    Yes, we need prophets today to warn the lost and lukewarm saints, but not ‘extra biblically’. Be careful saints of God! We must take heed to what we hear and measure everything against scripture. We live in perilous, deceptive times. This was prophesied of a truth from Jesus himself and his Apostles reiterated it. (Matthew 24: 11 & 24) Please note that miracles and signs does not validate a prophet or minister. What they teach is what validates him or her. It MUST measure up to the scriptures or THROW it OUT no matter how much the truth may be minced in!!!
    The intent of this post is not to be hateful or ugly, but rather to prove all things and present what deviates from scripture for what it is. Each one of us has a responsibility to be a good steward of the Word of God entrusted to us as believers. I Thess 5: 21

  26. Kerry Scott Gorham says:

    Isaiah 8:20 (KJV)
    20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

    (a) the law: teaching -or- doctrine.
    (b) testimony: sharing a personal experience.
    (c) light: Truth – God’s Word (John 17:17 “..thy word is truth.)

  27. Maria Leota says:

    Ever since I have read this book, I have had persistant headaches,severe depression etc… so i decided to go online to see what other people thought about this book and NOW I am going to repent and burn the book. Thank you Jesus for this blog! :)

  28. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    Oh my word, Maria, my dear sister, you go girl, you will be free and listen to the Holy Spirit with regards to other areas in your life as well ok? Jesus is calling you out of the false Christianity in this world, listen to Him.

  29. Robbie says:

    .. and many I talked to started doubting their salvation too Debs. The book makes a nice fire tho…

  30. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    Well I can tell you that when I as just saved I read this book and I tell you I nearly went mad. The bondage was horrific. And when I finally listened to the Holy Spirit literally shouting at me ‘throw the book away!!!’ I tore the book up and through it in the bin, I was immediately free. What I relief. And to think I actually cried because I could not understand why Choo was such a ‘special daughter’ to God and I was not. My word, what a fool I was… thank goodness we learn from our mistakes.

  31. Kiona says:

    Choo Thomas: “He wants me to serve as living proof of the Bible and His prophecies, because many people do not believe what they read in the Bible, nor do they believe He is coming soon for His people.” (15ab,16abc)

    Satan is a parasite, a bloodsucker He uses the ‘real things’ like the Bible. Or Jesus. Or Heaven. Imitates them as good as possible, but with some slight (or bigger) variations. It’s like the Japanese used to do: They take a product which was invented by e.g. the Americans. It is succesfull, sells well. People know it and want it. Then the Japanese (no offense intended) take this product and copy it with some variation. Satan cannot create something good. He can only lie, steal, kill and destroy. And he is fantastic copycat. Beware, beware.

  32. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    I do believe it’s the Chineese that do that ;)

  33. JW says:

    I have read the book a while ago now. Firstly, I must admit that the thought of the book being a fake brings great relief to me. The thing I’m struggling with is, the book seems to bring people to repentance, coupled with verses like Mark 9:40 (for whoever is not against us is for us) and 1 John 4:1-3 (testing the spirits) I am kind of at a lost now. If I am not wrong, I think CT does confess Jesus to have come in the flesh. I have read some articles which says why the book is false, but I would expect something false to have a much more negative impact. I mean I’m certain that the book deceives us somehow, but deceive us into doing what? The false doctrine seems like a big issue, then again many Christians I know have inaccurate doctrine as well (I can’t say I have perfect knowledge of doctrine as well), because of ignorance. If people do repent because of the book, as long as they don’t start deityfying CT and worshipping the book, wouldn’t that be a good thing? I just want to find the truth. Hope you guys can help me out here.

  34. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    >> The thing I’m struggling with is, the book seems to bring people to repentance

    Does it really? To which Jesus are people repenting too if they are falling for a book written by Satan?

    >> I mean I’m certain that the book deceives us somehow, but deceive us into doing what?

    This book deceives you into believing in another Jesus, not the Jesus Christ the Son of God of the Bible – who speaks the TRUTH and nothing but the TRUTH. And this other ‘jesus’ will lead you straight to hell with a gospel that sounds like Christianity but is so far from genuine Christianity.

  35. Burning Lamp says:

    Along this line, has anyone heard of this book?

  36. Judy says:

    Hi, Deborah

    I watched a video with Choo describing her experiences on a different website while I was reading up on a Daniel E. from Nigeria. I am glad I read the material on your site. I thought all of the rocking back and forth while she was talking just didn’t seem right. I was wondering if you know anything about the Nigerian pastor’s story about dying and being shown hell. He said that the angel told him he would be going there since he didn’t forgive his wife. The story says that God let him come back to warn the people about unforgiveness. I read his story, and thought about the bitterness that had grown in my relationship with my husband. Also, the hurts I had from various people growing up. I became terrified that I could be going to hell. I cried and cried out to Jesus to free me from it all. Well, shortly thereafter I began having horrible nightmares and hearing an accusing voice saying all sorts of horrible things to me. Then, I started finding myself in a half-asleep state mumbling hate talk…and I would be like “what did I just say”? Then, a feeling of something twisting and applying pressure inside my left chest area started. This has been going on for almost two years now. I wondered if my becoming so fearful wondering if I had forgiven everyone from the bottom of my heart and if that was going to send me to hell like the Nigerian pastor’s story indicated caused all of this torment….or if it is torment because I haven’t forgiven everyone. I need help. Do you know anyone who could help me?

  37. Judy says:

    I was also wondering if anyone here could help me with understanding the verses about “doers of such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.” It seems like there is a laundry list of sins and vices that could disqualify you from going to heaven….if I walked around worrying each day if I was “doing such things”…doesn’t that turn into a “works” salvation? I think it would also be fear based. I think some would say that we are saved by grace through FAITH. But others would say that faith without works is dead. But if we are intentionally going around trying to make certain we are doing all of the right “works” so our faith isn’t dead…isn’t that a “works” salvation? Can someone please explain this to me? Tom Brown explains on his website that Matthew 12:32 says “Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or the age to come.” He emphasizes the “this age or the age to come” part and says that Jesus’ sacrifice paid for ALL of our sins so that we are forgiven in the “age to come,” but if we sin during our life on earth (“this age”), we will have negative consequences to deal with here. He says those sins/consequences won’t be forgiven for this life unless we confess our sins and are forgiving towards others. Is this a sound teaching? Also, I caught the part where Choo said that Christians are supposed to tithe, and if they don’t, they are being disobedient. Then, she said disobedient Christians do not go to heaven…I guess from what I read, she says that they go to a desert? Mary K. Baxter’s stories and the Nigerian pastor’s story also seem to be trying to indicate that one transgression that is not properly repented of sends a person to hell. Do you have any input on the tithing stuff and on the things Mary K Baxter says?

  38. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Dear Judy

    Daniel E did not go to hell because if he did he would still be there. PLEASE Read this article about angels: Do Angels Visit us Today?
    The only Person that convicts us regarding forgiveness is the Holy Spirit and everything that needs to be said on the subject IS ALREADY in the Bible. Daniel E can not say anything more except tell lies and lead people info a false sense of repentance and bondage. The voice you heard is nothing but Satan and because you believed Daniel E you opened yourself to demonic attack. Throw that book away by Daniel E an any other books written by men/women out of your house. Mary K Baxter, Choo Thomas, every last one of them – THROW THEM AWAY. From now on you are going to study the bible ONLY.

    Regarding understanding biblical repentance of sin and salvation (changing of ones ways by the power of the Holy Spirit) please read this article: Lordship Salvation – Putting the Cart Before the Horse

  39. gift says:

    i am sorry this is very long

    my testimony

    i just recently got exposed to many you tube videos and websites that have brought me to know the REAL 1916 a man was told by an angel to gather people, for the lord had a gift for them .he got around 60 people and they received the holy ghost coz they spoke in tongues and prophesied at the same time (looks like a pentecost fake version).this man then started a church called the church of the holy ghost (meaning every other church is of this world).my grand parents joined it and so my parents and i were born into it .

    the mans wife had a son and they prophesied that he would be the succesor but when the son had aged he said god did not show him whom of his children should take over .after he died his son said he wanted leadership but the church said no ,he formed a split group.this was considered a big sin and the original church was to hate,gossip ,not communicate with split group even if its a family member .(some don’t even go to family funerals ).

    my point to make is about their doctrines (80% true and very biblical but the rest is just not biblical , heresy , edifying and subtracting stuff from bible )ITS A SABBATH CHURCH,VERY STRICT ONE

    according to them 1 Corinthians 14:27 means that the holy spirit comes upon 2 people and the third person will stand in the middle and listen while a fourth keeps notes. God comes down and talks to them through the two who are under holy spirit influence ,this is called prophesying (to them)

    i have now come to realize that this can not be God nor Jesus coz its not biblical and because of the things that the people say while in the holy spirit .it hurts me to realize that this is nothing but a demonic trans ,i used to believe in the things that were said(HAPPENS ALMOST EVERY THREE SATURDAYS)

    #2 pray 12 times a day (have own clock)

    #3 must confess sin to pastor (always) .if its a big one you go to next level pastor .if bigger they condemn you to hell and out of church (Matthew 18:18).a sin like going to a funeral of the split group is a ticket to hell.(some have been given in my presence)

    #4in end times all churches will die accept THEM

    #5if you leave the church (ticket to hell).god is angry at you (that’s why it took me so long to leave .i pray for my family that is still stuck in such a false)

    #6at the beginning of every year ,you must remember all your sins (even from childhood) and confess so that god can forgive you even more

    #7every other pastor outside of the church is teaching nonsense(it took me time to get myself to listen to other preachers )(not Benny hinn and his gang)

    #8they once said those who saw the second leader are blessed cause through him they saw the founder(copy of “those who saw Jesus saw god cause he is and always will be GOD)


    #10 they wont admit it but its like they have their own TRINITY (THE FATHER (founder),son and holy spirit (the one that comes during the TRANS)

    there is a lot more ,but the sad thing is that this people have been deceived and don’t know the real truth .they have been brain washed its hard to preach the true gospel to them cause the leader told them not to listen to any other person who tell of another gospel (the truth).they believe with all their hearts.they need serious discernment .

  40. gift says:

    i forgot to say that the church has their own extra six steps on how to go to heaven(not biblical ones).they twist and turn scriptures .

    i am shamed to say the only bible verses i usually read were the PRESCRIBED ONES (very few) ,the ones they explain in a very false and unbiblical way ,i now see that their explanations contradict other verses in the bible ,they themselves don’t see it

    when i left my mother and family were not happy.imagine if your friend stopped believing in Jesus (the real one), wouldn’t you feel sorry for their soul , that’s how they felt for me .they believe a lot in these false gospel,just as much as you believe in the real JESUS and the real real real GOSPEL.

  41. tracy says:

    What do you know of Sundar Singh?

  42. Kate Akele says:

    Remind me to stick with Karen Kingsbury and Ted Dekker! Yours is the third site that have mentioned about Choo Nam Thomas. unfortunately, I have the book.Eew!When Rebecca Brown and her associate warned abound this Kundalini stuff in the early ’90s, they were labelled heretics! i felt the same way you felt when reading Choo Thomas’ book, ditto for M.K’S BOOKS. Question is What is going on in the church? The Lord help us all! anyway we are seeing 1 Timothy 4 being fulfilled.Yikes!

  43. geert says:

    I read choo,s book, battled for 4 years with rejection even repented not tithing to God,
    one day I Challenged Jesus to appear to me like Choo Thomas,i said to him he is an unfair God,I am specail to, so I said come I dare you to appear, you know what he never did,then I realised I believed Choo,s lies,I repented threw the book away and got relieve instant,People I believe God let this book be published he could stop choo,s lies buth he give us an eye opener for the end times hululuja for those overcomers if you believe her book you will be decieved in the end times so wake up people God bless Geert

  44. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    It’s amazing how much bondage one comes under when this book lands in your hands. But repent and throw it away and you are IMMEDIATELY FREE. Thank Jesus you saw the truth!~

  45. reiniel says:

    i don’t believe you deborah

  46. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    don’t make your problems mine.

  47. Robbie says:

    LOL… oops

  48. geert says:

    Deborah thanks for your comment,the strange thing after giving my story,I believe the Lord led me to A webside it tells you about the Kundalini Spirit,if anyone has read the book of Choo Thomas Heaven is so Real and believed it,you have opened the door to the Kundalini spirit,this spirit sits around your spine it colls itself around the spine,I had A dream ones abouth A python snake, never gave it a thougt,now i know the Lord was showing me my state of Kundalini ,goodness me I need to renounce and tear down this stronghold so should all of you who read the book and believed it!one thing more sometimes as I sleep I would breath deep the sound is of an roaring lion,strange sounds my wife noticed it a couple of times,so people listen to this and seek deliverance,people you can trust offcourse Blessings to all Geert

  49. Theo says:

    and Mary Baxter’s book is also fake truth?

  50. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    >> Mary Baxter’s book is also fake truth?


  51. Theo says:

    oh dear… I’ve been recommended that book to everyone I know :(
    would you mind if you care to explain why is it fake/false?

  52. Melissa says:


    So, I was busy researching what the Bible says about tattoo’s and if it’s right or wrong. I got such good answers that i thought why not do some background search on everything i’m questioning. One of the things I was uncertain about is the NIV Bible, if it’s misleading or not, and i’m not so sure if i should believe the information i got but i’ll leave those questions for another day. The second thing was these near death expiernces that everyone is talking about. I finished Matric last year and got a holiday job at PNA where they sell Christian Novilties. Most of the people came in looking for that book of that young boy who went to Heaven so i told my one friend that I honestly do not believe in it because the Lord wouldn’t show Heaven or hell to someone to prove that He exist. God gives you your own choice in who you want to follow, either you believe in Him or you don’t, he doesn’t want to force himself onto you or make you believe in him it has to be your own decision and it shouldn’t be made for you by someone else. Anyway back to what i was saying. I got no answers on what the Bible says about near death expierinces so i searched for Heaven is so real and came across this article which made so much sence and really answered most of the questions i had. One thing that got me believing it is, I know you should fear God but in a Fatherly way and not in such a way that you feel torture and experiencing pain from receiving the “holy spirit”. And the second thing is I use to be extremely afraid of seeing demons or like getting a visit from one and i heard from a friend that a demon is most active at 3 o’clock in the morning and one of your quotes were ‘”On January 19, 1996, I woke up at 3:00 in the morning. My body was shaking… I turned my head on the pillow to look in the direction of the sound, and there, all aglow, was a figure dressed in white garments. IT WAS THE LORD…”‘ which set the bar and made me believe that it should be false profitting coz why would Jesus choose a few individuals and not show Heaven to everyone.

    Thank you very much for your article!

  53. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    I am actually going to do an article on that book of that little boy that went to heaven because it’s selling like hot cakes and it’s story is of demonic origin. And I will use scripture to prove why these trips to heave and hell for that matter are false. Keep in touch.


  54. Polly says:

    There is also a book by a pasotr, Steve Berger about the death of their son and how he visits them and interacts in their lives. I think it is called “Have Heart”. It is demonic also and appeals to people who have lost a loved one and are very vulnerable. I hope you include this book in your article. This is necromancy and is forbidden in the Bible.

  55. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    Yip I am looking into that one as well. I hope to have both articles out tomorrow.

  56. Léonard says:

    I also wonder if this was not true, then why throughout the book, the devil want all the world to repent and believe in the existence of paradise and hell. Explain then, why satan want all the world will go to heaven because it is the objective of the book is to demonstrate and encourage people to take action to escape perdition.
    think about it seriously. What does satan. What our Lord wants you to tell lost souls surroundings us, they are so many, everything you watch in TV, in the street, everywhere there are so many, what He expects us to our Lord Jesus

    Our Eternal Father bless you abundantly in Jesus
    Sincere thanks in Jesus Christ

  57. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    There are lots of ideas in this book ‘Heaven is so Real’ that appear truth, but when studied against the Bible (The Word of God) they fall short. Many new ideas that are being presented by Choo Thomas as being truth but yet the Word of God says, this is not so.

    Jude was the half-brother of Jesus and a leader in the early church. In his New Testament letter, he outlines how to recognize apostasy and strongly urges those in the body of Christ to contend earnestly for the faith (vs. 3). The Greek word translated “contend earnestly” is a compound verb from where we get the word “agonize.” It is in the present infinitive form, which means that the struggle willbe continuous. In other words, Jude is telling us that there will be a constant fight against false teaching and that Christians should take it so seriously that we “agonize” over the fight in which we are engaged. Moreover, Jude makes it clear that every Christian is called to this fight, not just the local body’s leaders, so it is critical that all believers sharpen their discernment skills so that they can recognize and prevent apostasy in their midst.

    After urging his readers to contend earnestly for the faith, Jude then highlights the reason:For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ” (vs. 4). In this one verse, Jude provides Christians with three traits of apostasy and apostate teachers.

    First, Jude says that apostasy can be subtle. Jude uses the word “crept” (found in no other book of the Bible) to describe the apostate’s entry into the church. In extra-biblical Greek, the term describes the cunning craftiness of a lawyer who, through clever argumentation, infiltrates the minds of courtroom officials and corrupts their thinking. The word literally means “slip in sideways; come in stealthily; sneak in; hard to detect.” In other words, Jude says it is rare that apostasy begins in an overt and easily detectable manner. Instead, it looks a lot like Arius’ preaching in which, in a seemingly dismissive and nonchalant manner, only a single letter differentiates its doctrine from the real teaching of the Christian faith.

    Describing this aspect of apostasy and its underlying danger, A. W. Tozer wrote, “So skilled is error at imitating truth, that the two are constantly being mistaken for each another. It takes a sharp eye these days to know which brother is Cain and which is Abel.” The Apostle Paul also speaks to the outwardly pleasing behavior of apostates and their teaching when he says, “For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light” (2 Corinthians 11:13-14). In other words, do not look for apostates to appear bad on the outside or speak dramatic words of heresy at the outset of their teaching. Rather than denying truth outright, apostates will twist it to fit their own agenda, but as pastor R. C. Lensky has noted, “The worst forms of wickedness consist in perversions of the truth.”

    Second, Jude describes the apostates as “ungodly” and as those who use God’s grace as a license to commit unrighteous acts. Beginning with “ungodly,” throughout his letter Jude describes eighteen unflattering traits of apostates so his readers can more easily identify them. Jude says the apostates are ungodly (vs. 4), morally perverted (vs. 4), denying Christ (vs. 4), ones who defile the flesh (vs. 8), rebellious (vs. 8), people who revile angels (vs. 8), who are ignorant about God (vs. 8), those who proclaim false visions (vs. 10), self-destructive (vs. 10), grumblers (vs. 16), fault finders (vs. 16), self-satisfying (vs. 16), people who use arrogant words and false flattery (vs. 16), mockers of God (vs. 18), those who cause divisions (vs. 19), worldly minded (vs. 19), and finally (and not surprisingly), devoid of the Spirit/unsaved (vs. 19).

    Third, Jude says apostates “deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.” How do apostates do this? Paul tells us in his letter to Titus: “To the pure, all things are pure; but to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but both their mind and their conscience are defiled. They profess to know God, but by their deeds they deny Him, being detestable and disobedient and worthless for any good deed” (Titus 1:15-16, emphasis added). Through their unrighteous behavior, the apostates show their true selves. Unlike an apostate, one who is a true believer is someone who has been delivered from sin to righteousness in Christ. With Paul, they ask the apostates who promote licentious behavior, “What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?” (Romans 6:1-2)

    But the apostates’ false teaching also shows their true nature. Peter says, “But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves” (2 Peter 2:1). Another aspect of true believers is that they have been delivered out of spiritual darkness into light (Ephesians 5:8) and therefore will not deny core truths of Scripture like Arius did with the divinity of Jesus.

    Ultimately, the sign of an apostate is that he eventually falls away and departs from the truth of God’s Word and His righteousness. The Apostle John signifies this is a mark of a false believer: “They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us” (1 John 2:19).

    That God takes apostasy and false teaching seriously is evidenced by the fact that every New Testament book except Philemon contains warnings about false teaching. Why is this? Simply because ideas have consequences. Right thinking and its fruit produces goodness, whereas wrong thinking and its accompanying action results in undesired penalties. It should be remembered that Satan did not come to the first couple in the Garden with an external armament or supernatural weapon, but instead he came to them with an idea. And it was that idea that condemned them and the rest of humankind, with the only remedy being the sacrificial death of God’s Son.

    The great tragedy is, whether knowingly or unknowingly, the apostate teacher dooms his unsuspecting followers. One of the most frightening verses in all of Scripture comes from the lips of Jesus. Speaking to His disciples about the religious leaders of His day, He said, “Let them alone; they are blind guides of the blind. And if a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit” (Matthew 15:14, emphasis added). This verse is alarming because Jesus affirms that it is not only the false teachers that go to destruction, but their disciples also follow them. —

  58. Jonathan says:

    Ofcourse we can see Jesus. The bible says Jesus reveals himself

    I saw Jesus when I was 7 years old. It happened as I woke up crying after a nightmare. I saw Jesus (the room was dark) with a robe that was white, shining in light blue. He had a light blue glowing around his face and body too. But not as bright as his eyes shined. He looked straight at me, his eyes radiated so much Love, grace, humility and compassion towards me. I couldn’t see his eyes, because of the light blue light in his eyes.

    He said “You don’t have to be afraid, Jonathan”. With the most humble, nice and still voice I’ve ever heard. Yet, it was mighty, and it was echoing. It was like this, except for the feet part then (I didn’t see his feet because I was laying in my bed):

    (Revelation 1:15) His feet glowed like burnished (bright) bronze as it is refined in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters.

    My mum had prayed that Jesus would tell me to not be afraid. Because I had been afraid so much in the nights, and had nightmares. My mum also saw Jesus when she was 7 years old, as the Good Shepherd. Seven is number for Spiritual Perfection.

  59. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    >> Of course we can see Jesus. The bible says Jesus reveals himself

    Jesus DOES NOT reveal himself to us. This is what the bible really says about Jesus, and us ever seeing him again – We will only EVER see Him again at His 2nd Coming. He has made it CLEAR.

    Matt 24:23-27; “Jesus says “Then if anyone tells you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah,’ or ‘There he is,’ don’t believe it. For FALSE MESSIAHS and FALSE PROPHETS will rise up and perform GREAT SIGNS AND WONDERS SO AS TO DECEIVE, IF POSSIBLE EVEN GOD’S CHOSEN ONES. See, I have warned you about this ahead of time.So if someone tells you, ‘Look, the Messiah is out in the desert,’ don’t bother to go and look. Or, ‘Look, he is hiding here,’ don’t believe it!” 27For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

    >> I saw Jesus (the room was dark) with a robe that was white, shining in light blue. He had a light blue glowing around his face and body too. But not as bright as his eyes shined. He looked straight at me, his eyes radiated so much Love, grace, humility and compassion towards me. I couldn’t see his eyes, because of the light blue light in his eyes.

    How do you know that is what Jesus looks like? You have no idea do you! Well firstly we know by scripture that Jesus will not return until His 2nd coming, so what did reveal itself to you…
    2 Corinthians 11:14; “And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.”

    Satan transforms himself to look like a ‘Jesus’ and appears to people on a daily basis because they do not know the WORD OF GOD.

  60. Maria says:

    I just started a fast today and as I was researching for christian books I came across your website. I am so thankful to God that he made me realize this book is no good. I just threw it out. It scared me and I had no desire to finish reading it. I should’ve known it was God telling me that I shouldn’t read it. I’m guessing that the books 90 minutes in heaven and 23 minutes in hell are fake as well. May God bless you!

  61. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    Yip they are fake too. Please do not read other peoples books, read the bible only. When you are fasting you are at a very vulnerable stage and your mind is open to demonic attack. Look at Jesus, he was in the desert and Satan came to Him and had a go. You are not Jesus, you are a weak individual struggling to listen to the Holy Spirit in your life. To be honest I would not fast if I was you, I would start obeying the Holy Spirit :) The more you obey Him and study the Bible the more you will hear Him.

  62. Chris says:

    Thanks for this wonderful information i have finished the book about a year ago and held onto it but i am certainly gonna get rid of it!!

    Then i want to ask is the book “the schack” also a lie?

  63. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    Yes, The Shack is bad news as well. Like very bad news. It’s New Age and blasphemous. Chuck it in the bin too if you have it.

  64. Leanne says:

    Hi first of all i want to say i have doubts about choos book. But she is right to say that not all beleivers will enter Heaven. The bible backs this up. Jesus said that not everyone who calls Him Lord Lord will enter the Kingdom of Heaven but he who does the will of His Father who is in Heaven. Also says to work out your salvation with fear and trembling. In Revelations Jesus will spew the luke warm chrstians out of His mouth. The Word also says that no gosipers, slanderers, liers, murders, audulters, fornicators, thieves etc will enter the Kingdom of Heaven and that applies to whether your a christian or not. Jesus says also that the narrow gate only few enter, and the broad gate many enter. God says be Holy as I Am Holy. Also says that without Holiness no man will see the Lord. Yes i have had dreams and visions from Yeshua and a few from the enemy too as that was scary. Heaven exists, hell exists Jesus exists, angels exists. I also believe in speaking in tounges as that is biblical although i do not have that gift. Yes dreams and visions are real, but unless is lines up to the bible you have to question it. Yes the soon coming of Jesus could be anytime. Jesus said Watch. Unfortunatly there will be more people left behind then raptured because they chose to live evil lifes and not repent. There is a book i have read that is real. It is called 10 Amazing muslims touched by God. It is about ex jihard islam extreemists and other ex muslims who have encounted Jesus through Dreams and Visions, and these woulderful people have given their lives over to serve Jesus and some of them even have their own churches and ministrys. Jesus loves the muslims too and wants them saved. Now since they have become born again some of them said their familys wanted to kill them. But God protected them and preserved their lives so they can be a witness to others. The things i do not belive in her book are aborted babies that are in wearhouses in Heaven waiting for their mothers who are saved. These aborted babies i believe grow up in Heaven and are not babies for eternity. Another thing i do not believe is a place in Heaven where christians go if they do not not enter Heaven called the valley. Sounds like Pergatury to me. There is not middle ground, there is a Heaven and hell no middle ground. No mention in the bible about the valley for disobedient christians. When i first read the book i was scared. But now i know if i get my relatioship with Jesus right and back on track and read the bible, and keep repented up and continue to forgive others if they hurt me and love my neighbour as myself and love God with all my heart i am getting rapture ready. Another thing i found odd in the book is that Jesus has promised her that he will rapture her in the last day while she said that nobodys salvation is gurantee until they get there. What makes her so differnt that she will get raptured and the rest of us are not guranted. Sorry my spelling is horrible. Anyway i think you all understand what i am saying. God bles you all and i hope to see you in the clouds when Jesus comes back.

  65. Robbie says:


    “But she is right to say that not all believers will enter Heaven. The bible backs this up.”

    No Leanne, The Bible is right and Choo backs it up. It is the extra biblical mystic rubbish that she throws in that deceives people and that is satan’s oldest trick. Mixing truth with lies.
    On more than one account friends who read her books started to doubt their salvation.

  66. Paul Beamon says:

    First up I’d like to say how much I appreciate this post. I too bought the book and found it hard to swallow. I will be getting rid of my copy right away!

    One thing does concern me, however, is that you teach Jesus will “never appear” to anyone until His second coming, based on Matt 24:23-27;

    If He was never to reveal Himself to anyone after His resurrection then why do we have scripture recording Him doing that very thing?

    Take, for example, Luke 24:13-53, here we have Jesus appearing to 2 disciples on the road while they walked and conversed about what happened to Him (His crucifixion ect), and then a little while later he appeared to the 11 disciples and ate with them and then He lead them out to where He ascended into heaven.

    Also there is the account of the apostle Paul when He encountered Jesus and had his whole life turned around, Acts 9:3-6. We also have Ananias’s encounter with Jesus, Acts 9:10-16.

    And of course we have the record in Revelation chapter 1 where the apostle John has an encounter with the risen Christ, and he even goes onto describe how Jesus appeared!

    My point here is not to be argumentative, but to say that we must not completely rule out divine encounters with Jesus, doing so would be ignoring scripture.

    No doubt many encounters are false but that does not rule out the fact that Jesus has, on some limited occasions, appeared to people post resurrection.

    It would seem that looking for such encounters is where Christians get tripped up, and I’m sure our old enemy will be more than happy to oblige anyone desiring this type of encounter instead of finding Jesus in scripture.

    That being said I’d like to thank you for putting up this post as it will help many people.


  67. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:


    There is nothing confusing in what I said. Jesus said He would not appear again until His second coming and He has not appeared again after He ascended into heaven AND the BIBLE (that perfect thing we all needed) had been written.

  68. Jake says:

    [delete – insults not welcome]

  69. Martin Horan says:

    Thanks yet again, Debs for another one of you contributions. Excellent.
    It’s very depressing to find people falling for this occultism masquerading as Christianity.
    My wife and I have a couple of aquaintances who are following an ex-Worldwide Church of God member called Malcolm Heap. Heap is running a thing called Midnight Ministries. These folk believe this former Worldwider is going to raise Princess Diana and fifty other people from the dead fairly soon; either just before or during the Great Tribulation.
    The people in this small Midnight Ministries cult do not believe in the Rapture but rather that all Christians are to go through the Tribulation. Never mind that contadicts the PROMISE that we are not appointed to wrath and that the End Times Church will be spared from the trouble which will come on the whole earth (except of course for the apostate ecumenical Laodiceans), these followers of Heap are convinced this mass resurrection is going to take place.
    You see, they claim that God will use this mass resurrection to verify Heap’s ministry.
    One can only wonder what they think then of Jesus’ statement in Luke 16:31. He Himself stated that someone returning from the dead wouldn’t prove anything if they did not accept the Scriptures.
    Anyone who truly knows the Scriptures knows that Jesus raised Lazarus and many who knew of it then wanted to kill Lazarus and Jesus too!
    I don’t know about anyone else, but if I was with the Lord and this Heap character did have the power to raise me from the dead–though it goes without saying that he does not!–I would be furious being taken from the Lord to thrown into the Great Tribulation. I would have plenty to say to him and none of it would be nice.
    We do know why people preach such trash. It’s because the Bible tells us that they are wolves in sheep’s clothing and want to make merchandise of the flock [2 Pet 2:3]. But how is it that they get people who can be so gullible to follow them? You’d think people would realize that these charlatans are of the devil and, besides that, their followers are putting mere mem above God’s Word. They are making gods of them which makes idolators out of themselves.
    It’s really tragic. But the Scriptures warn us of such things. And I guess those people who claim to be Christians just don’t believe God’s Word. It is virtually impossible to reason with disciples of cult leaders. I know from experience.

  70. Nunu says:

    Thank you for an excellent post, it has added so much to my discernment about people saying they had visions of Jesus/heaven.

    I’d just like to ask how one would actually go about testing a spiritual experience such as described by Choo thomas. (I have not had any such experience, thank God).

    The Bible says “(1 John 4:2-3 KJV) Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”

    It just seems to me from these personal accounts of people going to heaven/seeing Jesus; that nobody ever just asks these spiritual beings to confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. Wouldn’t this clear it up immediately?

  71. Dear Nunu

    You Test the Spirits according to 1 John 4 this way. When you come across odd teachings you go to the Bible to see what God says on the matter. For instance, we know from scripture that Paul was ‘taken up’ to heaven, but he was given strict instructions to NEVER EVER say what he saw or heard. This is the exact opposite of Choo Thomas, her ‘Jesus’ said tell everyone what you saw and heard. God says don’t tell anyone, Satan says tell everyone what I’ve showed you.
    We also need to think logically when we read people’s books. For instance Choo’s Jesus tells us that Choo is his most special daughter and in order to be as special as her we need to follow her book as though it’s part and parcel of the Word of God itself. RED FLAG! Any teaching/book that is NOT part of the bible as it stands is NOT the Word of God.
    Apostolic and Prophetic adherents like Choo Thomas love to tells us that God told them as they blurt out NEW words and prophecies from their god.

      You said: “The Bible says “(1 John 4:2-3 KJV) Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”

      It just seems to me from these personal accounts of people going to heaven/seeing Jesus; that nobody ever just asks these spiritual beings to confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. Wouldn’t this clear it up immediately?”

    I would think so. The big problem is when your mind is overtaken by a vision or dream your mind is being directed by Satan and it’s difficult to think and reason. I’ve noticed from books where people have dreams or visions that they were pushing God to have dreams or visions from Him thinking if you have dreams and vision its a sign that you are truly a child of God. And this is where Satan jumps in. Satan says because of your disobedience to God I will give you what you want.

    I’ve had people comment here on this site years ago that they ‘tested the spirits’ by asking a preacher (who was clearly false based on what he tough etc) if he believed ‘that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God’ and the preacher of course would say “yes”. And that was their litmus test, and no matter how I tried to convince them otherwise they would not hear it.

  72. Nunu says:

    Thank you Deborah.
    I have a long way to go in being able to assess teachings with adequate discernment. I’m grateful for your site as it helps a lot!

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Dear Nunu

    You Test the Spirits according to 1 John 4 this way. When you come across odd teachings you go to the Bible to see what God says on the matter. For instance, we know from scripture that Paul was ‘taken up’ to heaven, but he was given strict instructions to NEVER EVER say what he saw or heard. This is the exact opposite of Choo Thomas, her ‘Jesus’ said tell everyone what you saw and heard. God says don’t tell anyone, Satan says tell everyone what I’ve showed you.
    We also need to think logically when we read people’s books. For instance Choo’s Jesus tells us that Choo is his most special daughter and in order to be as special as her we need to follow her book as though it’s part and parcel of the Word of God itself. RED FLAG! Any teaching/book that is NOT part of the bible as it stands is NOT the Word of God.
    Apostolic and Prophetic adherents like Choo Thomas love to tells us that God told them as they blurt out NEW words and prophecies from their god.

    You said: “The Bible says “(1 John 4:2-3 KJV) Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”
    It just seems to me from these personal accounts of people going to heaven/seeing Jesus; that nobody ever just asks these spiritual beings to confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. Wouldn’t this clear it up immediately?”

    I would think so. The big problem is when your mind is overtaken by a vision or dream your mind is being directed by Satan and it’s difficult to think and reason. I’ve noticed from books where people have dreams or visions that they were pushing God to have dreams or visions from Him thinking if you have dreams and vision its a sign that you are truly a child of God. And this is where Satan jumps in. Satan says because of your disobedience to God I will give you what you want.

    I’ve had people comment here on this site years ago that they ‘tested the spirits’ by asking a preacher (who was clearly false based on what he tough etc) if he believed ‘that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God’ and the preacher of course would say “yes”. And that was their litmus test, and no matter how I tried to convince them otherwise they would not hear it.

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  3. Discerning the World has the right, but not the obligation, to take any of the following actions, in Discerning the World’s sole unfettered discretion, at any time, and for any reason or no reason, without providing any prior notice:
    1. Restrict, suspend or terminate your ability to submit “Comments,” to the Site;
    2. Change, suspend or modify all or any part of the Site or the features thereof;
    3. Refuse or remove any material posted on, submitted to or communicated through the Site by you;
    4. Deactivate or delete any screen names, profiles or other information associated with you; or
    5. Alter, modify, discontinue or remove any comment off the Site.
  4. You agree that, when using or accessing the Site or any of the features thereof, you will not:
    1. Violate any applicable law or regulation;
    2. Interfere with or damage the Site, through hacking or any other means;
    3. Transmit or introduce to the Site or to other users thereof any viruses, cancel bots, Trojan horses, flood pings, denial of service attacks, or any other harmful code or processes;
    4. Transmit or submit harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, deceptive, fraudulent, obscene, indecent, vulgar, lewd, violent, hateful or otherwise objectionable content or material;
    5. Transmit or submit any unsolicited advertising, promotional materials, or spam;
    6. Stalk or harass any user or visitor to the Site; or
    7. Use the content or information available on the Site for any improper purpose.
  5. You retain the Copyright of any “Comment” you submit to Discerning the World. By submitting a “Comment” to Discerning the World, you agree to grant Discerning the World a irrevocable, non-exclusive, royalty-free, perpetual license to use the material or commentary that you have submitted, in any medium and in any manner that Discerning the World may, in its sole unfettered discretion, choose.
  6. By submitting a “Comment” to Discerning the World, you agree to comply with the following rules concerning such submissions:
    1.  You agree not to include in your “Comment”:
      1. Any false, defamatory, libelous, abusive, threatening, racially offensive, sexually explicit, obscene, harmful, vulgar, hateful, illegal, or otherwise objectionable content;
      2. Any content that may be seen as stalking or harassing of any other Site contributors;
      3. Any content that personally attacks an individual. (An example of a personal attack is posting negative comments about an individual in a way meant to demean that person. Note that posting your opinion about someone’s ideas, doctrine or actions is not a personal attack);
      4. Any content that discloses private details concerning any person, for eg., phone numbers that have not been made public, photos that are not in the public domain, residential address that is not public, ID numbers, Social Security numbers, email addresses that are not in the public domain, etc.;
      5. Any content that you know to be false, misleading, or fraudulent;
      6. Any use of profanity;
      7. Any content including advertisements or otherwise focused on the promotion of commercial events or businesses, or any request for or solicitation of money, goods, or services for private gain;
      8. Any content that contains software viruses or any other computer code, files or programs designed to interrupt, destroy or limit the functionality of any computer software or hardware or telecommunications equipment; or
      9. Any content directly or indirectly soliciting responses from minors (defined as anyone under 18 years of age).
    1. If any part of the “Comment” is not your original work, it is your responsibility to add the name of the third party, name the book with page number or a link (url) to the website where you obtained the information.
    2. Your “Comment” may contain Copyrighted material, the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. You are however allowed to make such material available in your “Comment” in an effort to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc.  This constitutes a ‘fair use’ of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this Site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to:
    3. If you wish to use copyrighted material from a website or any other medium for purposes to add to your “Comment” that go beyond ‘fair use’, you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. (Fair Use means you may quote from copyrighted sources, but you may not publish the whole article, book, etc., in your “Comment”.)
  8. You are solely responsible for the “Comment” you upload, post, transmit or otherwise make available to others using this Web Site. Under no circumstances will Discerning the World be liable in any way for any “Comment” posted on or made available through this Site by you or any third party.
  9. You understand that all “Comments” on this Site are pre-screened or moderated. That means that every “Comment” needs to be approved by Discerning the World before it appears in the “Comments” section.  This is not an automatic process.  Discerning the World does this for SPAM reasons.
  10. Discerning the World has the right (but not the obligation) in their sole unfettered discretion to remove any “Comment” that is posted on or available through the Site. Without limiting the foregoing, Discerning the World has the right to remove any “Comment” that violates these Terms or is otherwise deemed objectionable by Discerning the World in its sole discretion.
  11. You understand that Discerning the World in their sole unfettered discretion is not obligated and can not be forced in any manner, be it legal or otherwise to remove any “Comment” that is posted on or made available through the Site by you.
  12. When submitting a “Comment,” you will be asked to provide your name and your email address. While Discerning the World does not object to your use of a pseudonym instead of your actual name, Discerning the World reserves the right, but not the obligation, to reject, change, disallow, or discontinue at any time any submission name that, in Discerning the World’s sole unfettered discretion, is objectionable or inappropriate for any reason. Discerning the World requires the submission of your email address, but Discerning the World warrants that it will not publish your email address to an outside third party without your consent.
  13. Discerning the World does not sell or rent your personal information to third parties for their marketing purposes. From time to time, Discerning the World may contact you personally via email. Notwithstanding the foregoing, you acknowledge and understand that the “Comments” feature of the Site is designed to permit users to post information and commentary for public review and comment and thus you hereby waive any expectation of privacy you may have concerning any likeness or information provided to the Site by you.
  14. You are solely responsible for your interactions with other users of or visitors to the Site.
    1. Discerning the World shall have the right, but not the obligation, to monitor interactions utilizing the “Comments” facility of the Site, between you and other users of or visitors to the Site. You acknowledge and agree that Discerning the World, or any third party shall not be, and you shall not seek to hold them, responsible for any harm or damage whatsoever arising in connection with your interaction with other users of or visitors to the Site.
    2. Discerning the World does not verify any information posted to or communicated via the “Comments” sections of the Site by users and does not guarantee the proper use of such information by any party who may have access to the information. You acknowledge and agree that Discerning the World does not assume, and shall not have, any responsibility for the content of messages or other communications sent or received by users of the Site.
  15. The Site contains content created by or on behalf of Discerning the World as well as content provided by third parties.
    1. Discerning the World does not control, and makes no representations or warranties about, any third party content, including such content that may be accessible directly on the Site or through links from the Site to third party sites.
    2. You acknowledge that, by viewing the Site or communications transmitted through the Site, you may be exposed to third party content that is false, offensive or otherwise objectionable to you or others, and you agree that under no circumstances shall Discerning the World be liable in any way, under any theory, for any third party content.
    3. You acknowledge and agree that the Site, and the contents thereof, is proprietary to Discerning the World and is protected by copyright. You agree that you will not access or use the Site or any of the content thereof for any reason or purpose other than your personal, non-commercial use.
    4. You agree that you will not systematically retrieve data or other content from the Site by any means, and you will not compile a database or directory of information extracted from the Site.
    5. You agree that you will not reproduce, distribute or make derivative works of the Site or any of the contents thereof without the express consent of Discerning the World.
    6. You hereby agree to indemnify, defend and hold harmless Discerning the World, its affiliates and licensees, and all of their officers, directors, employees, agents and representatives from and against any and all liabilities, losses, claims, damages, and expenses (including attorneys’ fees) in connection with any claim arising out of your use of the Site or violation of any of these Terms.



16. These Terms constitute the entire agreement between Discerning the World and you with respect to the subject matter hereof, and supersede any previous oral or written agreement between us with respect to such subject matter.

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