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Patricia King and the Blue Flame of the Cosmic Christ

Patricia King and the Blue Flame of the Cosmic Christ

Patricia King - blue flameTHE BLUE FLAME OF THE LORD – DIVINE REVELATION, PASSIONATE LOVE, AND THE ESSENCE OF HEAVEN

By Patricia King – October 17, 2006

For the last number of months, I have had recurring nudges from the Holy Spirit to meditate on the phrase, “The Blue Flame of the Lord.”

The blue flame is the hottest and most intense part of a fire, and the color blue is often a prophetic symbol of divine revelation, God’s love, and an open Heaven.

Blue Flame Encounter

Recently while teaching at Glory School in Dudley, England, with Trevor and Sharon Baker, I had a spiritual encounter regarding the Blue Flame of the Lord. In this encounter, I could feel myself soaring like an eagle, looking upward into the sun while in flight. My eyes were fixed on the sun. Eagles (often a Biblical symbol of the prophetic) in the natural have an extra membrane over their eyes that other birds do not have. This allows them to look directly into the sun without damage to their vision.

As I gazed into the sun, I could feel myself being drawn towards its center, and that is when I saw it–the Blue Flame. It was so beautiful. I could feel its strength that is to be feared and respected, and also I felt its passion. The Lord gave me three points of understanding and application that I would like to share with you.

1. The Blue Flame Speaks of Divine Revelation

Fire is an illuminator. Our Heavenly Father has given us the Holy Spirit as our Helper. He leads and guides us into all truth, and grants us revelation concerning Christ and His invisible Kingdom. The Spirit reveals the deep things of God.

In 1 Corinthians 2:9-10, the Scripture teaches that the Holy Spirit reveals to those who love the Lord, the things that eye has not seen, ear has not heard, and things that have not even entered into our heart. Verse 10 states, “…for the Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.”…

The Lord is promising an impartation of the deep things of His heart to those who fix their gaze upon Him. This is a season of increased and intensified revelation for those whose lives are completely His.

[DTW note:   I’ve read 1 Corinthians 2 v 9-10 and I can’t seem to find the words ‘blue flame’ anywhere, maybe I’m reading the wrong bible.]

2. The Blue Flames Speaks of His Passionate Love

Song of Solomon 8:6 teaches, “…love is as strong as death; jealousy is cruel as the grave: the coals there of are coals of fire, which have a most vehement flame.”

The intensity of this type of jealous love speaks of His great passion and affection for us. We are in His heart continuously. It is the power of this love that purifies and refines us. This love burns up the dross and aligns us with His ways and purposes.

When we are filled with His passionate love, the blue flame is also ignited within us and creates an intense love response to Him. “We love Him because He first loved us.” (1 John 4:19). When the blue flame of His love burns within us, we will also love others with His passion.

The Body of Christ is being invited to be filled with the blue flame of His love and to cause the world around us to be set ablaze with this love. New levels of refining, separation, purification, and purging will come to God’s people as a result of individuals being filled with the blue flame of love. More intense levels of love for God and for others will be experienced in the Body of Christ.

[DTW Note:   So as per your definition, when we are filled with His passionate love, the blue flame is also ignited within us and creates an intense love response to Him and then you quote 1 John 4 v 19  “We love Him because He first loved us”.  Wow, I can really see how you managed to connect the dots to the ‘blue flame’ using that verse.]

3. The Blue Flame Speaks of the Essence of Heaven

When examining the Scriptures, it appears that blue (found in the sapphire) is a significant color in Heaven. In fact, the pavement under God’s feet is sapphire. Exodus 24:10, “And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under His feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of Heaven in His clearness.”

We also find that the foundations of the walls of the Heavenly Jerusalem include sapphire stones (Revelation 21:19).

In the natural, when we look up into the sky, we see “blue.” Blue is the color that symbolizes the Open Heaven.

Many of God’s children in this hour, will receive increased Heavenly and divine encounters. The Body of Christ will become more and more familiar with the reality of Heaven–God’s place of abode. Multiplied manifestations of Heaven will be seen in the earth. More believers will live under the blessings of the Open Heaven.

[DTW Note:  Goodness, this is your analysis to explain the blue flame?  Because the pavement under God’s feet are sapphires which are blue in colour, and the sky is blue, hence your blue flame must be of God.  That’s quite impressive, I am sure no one else in the world can compete with that kind of revelation.] 

Word of Wisdom and Revelation

Our friend Faisal Malick from Covenant of Life Ministries adds these thoughts:

“The blue flame of the Lord represents purity of revelation and wisdom. Revelation is unveiling hidden wisdom in the right season. Secrets are never hidden from God, but by HIM, for us.

[DTW note:  Let’s see what 1 Corinthians 2:6-8  has to say;

 Yet we do speak wisdom among those who are mature; a wisdom, however, not of this age nor of the rulers of this age, who are passing away;  7 but we speak God’s wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory;  8 the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory;”

Ok Faisal Mailick, this hidden wisdom was truth known only to God at the time and He kept it secret until the appropriate time for Him to reveal it.  The hidden wisdom was Jesus Christ’s perfect sacrifice on the Cross which proved that the religious leaders and the others that wanted Jesus Christ crucified lacked wisdom.

Seeing that Faisal Malick thinks this hidden wisdom is still something to be obtained (via this blue flame) makes me think he himself lacks wisdom, because quite frankly the answer to the question is in the bible, it’s Jesus Christ’s sacrifice for the world.  And you won’t believe it Faisal, but this happened over 2000 years ago already.  Any ‘new’ wisdom you receive won’t be from God as this ‘hidden wisdom’ chapter was revealed and finished by God.  Jesus said himself, ‘It’s finished’.

John 19:30

30   Therefore when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And He bowed His head and gave up His spirit.

John 17:4

4   “I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do.

But the woes continue…

WISDOM IS REVELATION CONCEALED AND REVELATION IS HIDDEN WISDOM REVEALED.

When the Kairos time comes for hidden wisdom to be revealed in the earth, the deep of the Father connects with the deep of our spirits, and Holy Spirit impregnates us with revelation knowledge wrapped in the seed of His Word. As a result, hidden wisdom foreordained unto our Glory in Christ is unlocked.

Then forerunners come forth out of the wilderness impregnated with revelation knowledge in the womb of their spirit. They carry the baby, or steward the revelation in the midst of persecution and affliction with great joy, knowing that they must give birth to the plans of the Spirit into the earth.

Then the season comes where they actually speak forth by the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, making known even to the principalities and powers the wisdom of God, that was hidden long before even principalities existed.

This then provides a death blow to the devil and the gates of hell which can not prevail against revelation knowledge, and allows the will of Heaven to be done on earth as it is in Heaven.”  “The WORD is forever settled in Heaven but must be established in earth.”

[DTW note:  What an utter load of garbage…sorry I just had to add this.  They just don’t get it do they:  “The Word is forever settled in Heaven but must be established in earth” is JESUS CHRIST.  He came, born of the Holy Spirit, lived a completely sinless life, and was crucified on a cross that His blood may wash away our sins for those who believe in him and repent.  Jesus is the Word and the Word is and was and will be forever be established on earth – before the beginning of creation.]

Embrace the Blue Flame

May we gaze with a renewed focus into the intense fiery love of God. Let’s prepare ourselves to receive revelation into the deep mysteries of God and await authentic encounters with the very atmosphere of Heaven.

Let’s embrace the Blue Flame and allow Him to burn strong in our hearts. May we truly be known as those He makes to be His ministers–flames of fire (Psalm 104:4).

[DTW note:  Patricia, there are no new mysteries, not even shallow ones for that matter.  The only ‘new’ revelation / secrets / mysteries you will receive will not come from God but from Satan for the Bible contains EVERYTHING you need to know.  When you go seeking wisdom outside the Word of God you are looking for trouble.  Satan is full of shallow wisdoms that appear incredibly deep, that he will happily pass onto you, but know what the bible says of those who willfully seek after lies:

John 8:44

 44”You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him.  Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Therefore we all need to beware of people like Patricia King and….

1 Peter 5:8

 8Be of sober spirit, be on the alert for Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

Patricia King
www.extremeprophetic.com

Source:   http://www.elijahlist.com/words/display_word_pf.html?ID=4601

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Extreme Prophetic Blue Flame Logo

[DTW Note:  Let us go and see what exactly this blue flame is:]

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BlueFlame-HeartWhat is the blue flame, What it represents and Who it belongs to:

Patricia says:   [emphasis added]

  1. “I had a spiritual encounter regarding the Blue Flame of the Lord. In this encounter, I could feel myself soaring like an eagle, looking upward into the sun while in flight. My eyes were fixed on the sun.”
  2. “He leads and guides us into all truth, and grants us revelation concerning Christ and His invisible Kingdom. When we are filled with His passionate love, the blue flame is also ignited within us and creates an intense love response to Him.”
  3. “Multiplied manifestations of Heaven will be seen in the earth. More believers will live under the blessings of the Open Heaven. “
  4. “Let’s prepare ourselves to receive revelation into the deep mysteries of God and await authentic encounters with the very atmosphere of Heaven” 

New Age – Ascended Masters (The Christ) – The Great Central Sun also known as the Heart of God:

[DTW Note:   this is what those that believe in these Ascended Masters have to say – see how they quote biblical scripture as well; and of course what they try and link the scripture too is a complete lie.]

  1. The Great Central Sun is one with every individual’s Mighty I AM Presence.
  2. The Sun behind the Sun is the Spiritual Cause behind the physical effect we see as our own Physical Sun and all other stars and star systems, seen or unseen, including the Great Central Sun. The Sun behind the Sun of Cosmos is perceived as the Cosmic Christ – the Word by Whom the Formless was endowed with form and Spiritual Worlds were draped with physicality.

The Seven Elohim are mighty Beings of Love and Light.  Who responded to the invitation of the Sun of this System.

  1. “ELOHIM” is a Hebrew word meaning “God” – used 2,500 times in the Old Testament. It is a uni-plural noun that refers to the Twin Flames of the Godhead – the “Divine Us” Who in the beginning (Gen. 1:1) created male and female in their image and likeness (Gen. 1:26, 27). The Elohim embody the Light of the Father-Mother God, whom they personify on each of the Seven Rays.
  2. These Seven Sets of Twin God-Flames: are the “Seven Spirits of God” referred to in Revelation 1:4; 3:1; 4:5; 5:6  The Elohim are also the “Morning Stars” that sang together in the Beginning, as revealed by the LORD in the Book of Job.
Vibration   Ray    Flame   Elohim
Power First Ray Blue Flame Hercules and Amazonia
Wisdom Second Ray Golden Yellow Flame Apollo and Lumina, fka: Cassiopeia and Minerva
Love Third Ray Pink Flame Heros and Amora, fka: Orion and Angelica
Purity Fourth Ray White Flame Elohim of Purity and Astrea
Healing and Truth Fifth Ray Emerald Green Flame Cyclopea and Virginia
Peace Sixth Ray Purple and Gold Flame Elohim of Peace and Aloha
Freedom Seventh Ray Violet Flame Arcturus and Victoria

Beginning in the Heart of the Great Central Sun, Hierarchy manifests as the stepping-down of the Energies of Alpha and Omega, of the Sacred AUM, of the I AM THAT I AM that is the Fiery Focal Point for the whole of creation, the whole of the cosmos. The Elohim and Cosmic Beings carry the greatest concentration, the highest vibration of Light that we can comprehend in our state of evolution.  www.selftransform.net/Ascenced%20Masters.htm     [Emphasis added]

[DTW Note:  Uh but I get to differ, your Seven Sets of Twin God-Flames ARE NOT the ‘Seven Spirits of God’ and can’t even come close to be compared to the Seven Spirits of God and here is why…

Rev 4-5 says:

5Out from the throne come flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder. And there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God…”

The seven Spirits of God are lamps of fire, which represent the Holy Spirit.  And no the Holy Spirit is not made up of seven persons.  Here is another reference to the aspects of the Holy Spirit in…

Isaiah 11:12, it says:

“And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD.”

I have underlined the seven aspects of the Holy Spirit above.  Notice how these 7 aspects of the Holy Spirit completely differ from the list of ‘vibrations’ in the table above.

And one last thing before I carry on, Elohim is the name for God, but God is NOT male and female.  The ‘im’ as the end of Eloh- is masculine in gender, therefore plural and not uni-plural. I won’t even comment on the rest of the rubbish written above.

As we can see you don’t have to be a ‘Christian’ to open the bible and quote verses.  There are two lessons to be learnt here.  Unbelievers can take scripture and use it for their own purposes – twisted, misquoted and turned into complete and utter lies (these unbelievers even call themselves Christian…hint, hint Patricia King).  True Believers take scripture – quote it correctly, in context, and never insult, ridicule or deny Jesus Christ in any way, ever.]

See verses at end of article re: –   There is only ONE God

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Here is part of an incantation/prayer to the Ascended Masters and the ‘I AM THAT I AM’: 

“I invoke the blue Flame, which represents the Divine Power of my Father God.”

“I give gratitude to the glorious Cosmic and Ascended Beings, as I invoke them and the great Angelic Host to amplify the energy which I AM now releasing to assist with the fulfillment of the Divine Plan. May that Light expand and expand, as it travels throughout the Universe, ever widening the borders of the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth, in fulfillment of God’s Will.”     [Emphasis added] http://www.lightparty.com/Spirituality/Visualizations.html

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A brief summary as to who / what the Ascended Masters are:

Ascended Master:-  a being who has become Self-Realized and serves humanity;  a being who has raised his/her vibration to a sustained frequency of light. He/she can come and go at will from the earth plane without the Birth/Death cycle.  The Ascended Masters have worked with mankind throughout the centuries. Most of the time in the past the Ascended Masters have worked in the background. There were some Ascended Masters who have assisted mankind such as Sanat Kumara also known in the Bible as the “Ancient of Days”, by some He is known as the “Lord of the World”.  http://www.greatdreams.com/masters/ascended-masters.htm

[DTW note:  This is a funny one, in the bible the Ancient of Days referred to in Daniel 9 and Rev 20:11-15 is God who reigns down judgment on mankind because of their sin.  However in Satanism, Paganism, New Age, etc, “Ancient of Days” is Lucifer.  But explaining this does not really matter because they go on to expose themselves wide open by saying that this Ancient of Days is also called the Lord of this World.

2 Cor 4:4

 4in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.”

John 12:31

 31“Now judgment is upon this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.”

Luke 4:6

 6And the devil said to Him, “I will give You all this domain and its glory; for it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish.

So, conclusion;  the lord of this world is none other than Satan, Sanat Kumara is known as the Lord of the World, therefore Sanat Kumara is Satan.  Phewww, that was a tough one.]

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List of some of the Ascended Masters:

Jesus the Christ (This is not Jesus Christ of the bible, but the Eucharist Christ), Buddha, Krishna, St Germain, Mother Mary, Melchizedek, Sanat Kumara, Maitreya, Lady Nada, Paul the Venetian, ISIS, Serapis Bey, Maha Chohan, Djwhal Khu, Babaji, Quan Yin, Sananda known as Jesus of Nazareth, Enoch, Confucius, Ganesha, Padre Pio – humble Capuchin Catholic priest, Milarepa, Elijah, Mary Magdalene, Rama etc.

List of some names of Archangels (in Occultism):

Adonael, Ariel, Barachiel, Chamuel (Angel of Tolerance), Gabriel (The Bright and Morning Star), Iaoth, Jehediel, Jeremiel, Jophiel (Angel of Enlightenment), Metatron – aka Lord Metatron (Angel of God’s Presence), Michael (Angel of Miracles, Angel of Truth), Orifiel, Raguel, Raphael (Angel of Healing), Sabrael, Sandalphon, Sealtiel, Uriel (Angel of Creativity), Zachariel, Zadkiel (Angel of Solace) Zerachiel.

List of Archangels and Angels (in Occultism):

Archangel Michael and Faith, Archangel Jophiel and Christine, Archangel Chamuel and Charity, Archangel Gabriel and Hope, Archangel Raphael and Mother Mary, Archangel Uriel and Auroria, Archangel Zadkiel and Amethyst, Elohim Hercules and Amazonia, Apollo and Lumina, Heros and Amora, PURITY and Astrea, Cyclopia and Virginia, Peace and Aloha, Arcturus and Victoria.

[DTW note:   Please notice that I have specifically highlighted the Angel Purity above, for it’s very very important that you read below:

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Prophetic Directives For 2006 by Patricia King  – http://www.etpv.org/2005/prodir06.html

The Visitation of the Angel Purity

“In December 2005, our producer Shirley Ross was visited by an angel called Purity. Purity is a white eagle with piercing, fiery eyes, and yet, it is soft, gentle, and dove-like in nature. Shirley also saw a golden ring that Purity carried. It was a ring of power and protection, and it was placed around individuals and groups who chose the virtue of purity. I was present during the visitation and also felt the presence of Purity at that time, although I did not see it. I heard three words in my spirit: Expose, Sift, Analyze. I felt the Lord say that He will expose things that need to be exposed in His children’s hearts and lives. Nothing will be left unexposed. For those that submit to His convictions and dealings, there will be new levels of authority and grace that follow. He will sift so that only the pure will remain, and He will analyze. “Every man’s ways are right in his own eyes, but the Lord weighs the hearts.” –Proverbs 21:2 The angel Purity returned the next day and the day after. I saw the vision of this being during the two days and also felt the softness of its breast feathers on one occasion. We met with our team artist Ruthann Fryer and commissioned her to paint the vision of this angel.”

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[DTW note:  Here is some more information on how Purity and the blue flame are connected as well (see below).  Take note that Almighty God, Jesus the Christ and the Holy Spirit are mentioned in this incantation.  Of course this is NOT the One and Only Living God and our Lord Jesus Christ nor the Holy Spirit of the Bible.  Here are complete counterfeits (This ‘holy spirit’ is the one that manifests itself in Churches, the one that brings FIRE and ignites your spirituality.]

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Occult incantation:   Call to the Elohim Purity and Astrea:

Elohim Purity and Astrea!
Elohim Purity and Astrea!
Elohim Purity and Astrea!

In the name of Jesus the Christ, I ask you to lock your cosmic circle and sword of blue flame around every pattern within me and within every child of God that keeps us en-slaved to bad habits, carnal-mindedness or addictions of any kind!

I call to the Elohim Purity and Astrea and the Goddess of Light, the Queen of Light and the Goddess of Purity to send your white fire and your circle and sword of blue flame to counteract all substance abuse and addiction, suicide, the violation of the child and abortion.

In the name of Almighty God, Jesus the Christ, the Holy Spirit and the Divine Mother, I call to beloved Astrea and all the mighty Elohim to release the circle and sword of blue flame around the cause and core of all that opposes my God-identity.

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[DTW note:  So there we have it, this is what you are following if you listen to Patricia King’s teachings – this is what you have been deceived into following.  If you are following this woman’s teachings and anyone who associates with her and vice-versa, repent and TURN AWAY in fact RUN AWAY from this vile deception that is Anti-Christ!  That includes you too Patricia, if you yourself have been deceived because of others – please repent and turn your back on these blasphemous lies.

Notice the use of the name of Jesus Christ – No one can ever say that because someone uses the name of Jesus Christ that this makes them a Christian.  This Christ is the Eucharist Christ who’s Mother is the Goddess Mary, the Divine Mother, Queen of Heaven, Mother nature.]

False Prophets:

John 4:1  “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.”

Matthew 7:15  “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep€™s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”

Jude 1:4   “For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.”

1 Timothy 4:1  “But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons.”

Acts 20:29-30  ”29 I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock;  30  and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them.”

There is only ONE God

John 14:6  “Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.”

1 Timothy 2:5  “For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.”

Acts 4:12  “And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”

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70 comments to Patricia King and the Blue Flame of the Cosmic Christ

  • Robert

    I too have an encounter with the Blue Flame – its a long story, perhaps longer than this msg – but i was asked by my Angel Michael to meditate upon the blue flame – I did not know why and had no knowledge of the blue flame it first came in a dream I had never researched Michael before only worked with him- he suggested in one mediation that I look at Google for blue flame – in fact he said after this meditation is complete go to the internet type in ” Angel Michael blue flame” and see what happens – i was wonderfully amazed.I have had a lot of revelations like this with Michael. Michael has never suggested I study the scriptures and has always encourage me to experience knowledge rather that intellectualize it – the current bible is full of edits – we cannot be consumed by the demiurge if we turn to and shelter in Gods love because there we are invisible to him – and no book or person need tell us what love is we all know in in our heart minds and spirit. I admire those in the truth such as Patricia who undertake a study of the scriptures and are prepared to gently help turn those full of bigotry and misunderstandings to a greater truth, a truth that is full of love and empty of demons.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Robert

    Please in future refer to your angel Michael as Satan. Thanks.

  • donna

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Robert
    Please in future refer to your angel Michael as Satan. Thanks.

    I agree with you Deb, this person is spreading occultism.
    As for me I will refrain from my anger about the koran thing. This is written after the comments on the koran burning and the burning of domionist books.
    Please except my apology, I think on this site I have at least found someone I can talk to that can help me feel like I am not alone in losing my friends to heretical teachings.

    How long have you been a Christian?
    How did you manage to escape these heretical teachings? As for me, I compared what they teach to what scripture teaches and found them to be liars.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    donna

    Jesus Christ saved me 5 years ago out of 17 years of being in the occult. I never spent more than 1 or 2 services at any of these given churches because I started to see what was going on. I sat in church with my little NIV bible trying to understand what the pastor was trying to say and what I read in the bible did not match up to what he was preaching. So I thought I had the wrong bible translation. I then got the KJV – and the same thing happened. I tried to fellowship with the people at the church and speak to them about Christianity and it was like talking to a brick wall – they actually had no idea what they really believed (all they were there for was the praise and worship). I then started to see more and more the ‘white magic’ practiced in the churches and I was shocked. I then read a few books and within 3 years I knew I had to start a website, cos there was none in South Africa exposing false teaching.

  • Lee

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    donna
    Jesus Christ saved me 5 years ago out of 17 years of being in the occult. I never spent more than 1 or 2 services at any of these given churches because I started to see what was going on. I sat in church with my little NIV bible trying to understand what the pastor was trying to say and what I read in the bible did not match up to what he was preaching. So I thought I had the wrong bible translation. I then got the KJV – and the same thing happened. I tried to fellowship with the people at the church and speak to them about Christianity and it was like talking to a brick wall – they actually had no idea what they really believed (all they were there for was the praise and worship). I then started to see more and more the ‘white magic’ practiced in the churches and I was shocked. I then read a few books and within 3 years I knew I had to start a website, cos there was none in South Africa exposing false teaching.

    wow! I wouldn’t have half the strength you do Debs to do that. I’m too young and just, plain ole’ naive. You truly are on fire loool ;)!

  • Lee

    meant that as a joke though lool! not that your ‘fire’ is Pat King’s hahaha. would be horrified now!

  • donna

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    donna
    Jesus Christ saved me 5 years ago out of 17 years of being in the occult. I never spent more than 1 or 2 services at any of these given churches because I started to see what was going on. I sat in church with my little NIV bible trying to understand what the pastor was trying to say and what I read in the bible did not match up to what he was preaching. So I thought I had the wrong bible translation. I then got the KJV – and the same thing happened. I tried to fellowship with the people at the church and speak to them about Christianity and it was like talking to a brick wall – they actually had no idea what they really believed (all they were there for was the praise and worship). I then started to see more and more the ‘white magic’ practiced in the churches and I was shocked. I then read a few books and within 3 years I knew I had to start a website, cos there was none in South Africa exposing false teaching.

    Thanks Deb for writing back, you’re not mad at me?
    I am sooooo frustrated with all the phoney stuff being taught in churches. It seems like there is no safe place where the dominionist haven’t touched.
    I have been a christian since 2001. I thought I was a christian before that but God showed me Adam and Eve in the Garden naked and ashamed and then He showed me myself as being the same. I didn’t understand it at the time but a few years later I realized that I was not a genuine christian. I had a vision/near death experience of hell and that caused me to have a complete mental and spiritual collapse.
    I won’t go into detail about the next seven years but I can tell you it was living nightmare from hell.
    God rescued me and restored me and I can tell you that I completely understand that our biggest problem is that we need “life”, in particular the life of Christ in our life. He is our life and we are hidden in Him. Everything about the Bible is centered on Jesus Christ and the Gospel is Jesus Christ and Him crucified. He is our life, our peace, our santification, our Leader, our High Priest, our Saviour, our wisdom, our righteousness, the list is too long to go on. And it infuriates me when false prophets bring spiritual and demonic doctrines that detract from the Lord of the universe.
    Dominion theology is literally stealing the minds of young and immature christians by the thousands, perhaps by the millions.
    I started to wonder about my older friend when she used words like “destiny” and “impart” and “in the earth”, all words that suggest new age thought. She lent me a number of books from cindy jacobs, barbara wentroble, and told me she wanted to go and see todd bentley, then I got tired of being confronted by what I viewed as being NOT the gospel. I then started to not want her to pray for me when I found out that she does “third heaven” visits. I am afraid for her because what she is doing is not of God and the Holy Spirit would not be involved in this. The Bible teaches the the Holy Ghost will not speak of Himself but that which He hears, and that He would convict the world of sin, or righteousness and judgement. He does this to point us to Jesus Christ, and any gospel that teaches otherwise is antichrist in spirit.
    God allowed me to see the spirit of antichrist working through my father in law, he is a high priest in the mormon church, he is a TEMPLE mormon if you know what that means. The spirit of antichrist is an ugly murderous hateful spirit. That is what you are facing when you confront islam, dominion theology and any other thing that is opposed to Jesus Christ and Him being central to all of creation. He is the Lord of Lords and the only way to God and the spirit of antichrist is so opposed to men coming to the knowledge of truth that this spirit will inspire men to kill those who bear the Spirit of God.
    I often wonder how any body could believe todd bentley and patricia king, it makes no sense to me. The whole thing about travelling to heaven as Bob Jones teaches is purely occultic and “christians” are going along with it as the “new” thing God is doing, how ludicrous.
    This whole thing with the kingdom now theology is literally splitting the Body of Christ and I feel helpless to help others see that it satan who is at the root of this problem.
    Oh well, the whole thing is insanity to say the least that these fakers are even allowed to come into our churches and bring destructive heresies.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Lee

    I didn’t think I had half the strength to do what I do either, but I get it from somewhere… on high :) Before I got saved I had no idea what the Bible contained – I read a few pages here and there and it was like reading a dead plank of wood. After I got saved, I read it and it the words came alive. I understood everything (well mostly) and it made me think I was looking at two completely different books.

    This is what I wish you to experience Lee. And what brought on this miraculous change in me was the fact that I WANTED TO CHANGE MY WAYS. I wanted to throw my sins at Jesus’ feet and repent for each and every single one of them. I wanted to be CLEAN. I wanted to START FROM SCRATCH. I remember there was a week where I told Jesus day in and day out that no matter what happens I would NEVER go back to my old ways, no matter what Satan threw at me (and boy did I only get a taste of hell when I attempted to leave the occult). But I told Jesus, NEVER will I turn my back on Him EVER. Like I am speaking to you, trying to at least give you a bit of help (to the best of my ability) I had none. No one to speak to – because these churches I went to seeking help were all weird and stuff. So it was me and Jesus, and my faith in HIM that HE was going to save me from the nightmare I was in. And He saved me all right. But HE knew my heart, HE knew that when I said I was sorry for everything I had done, I REALLY meant it. I was baptised in the middle of winter in an ice cold swimming pool – I shouted out loud that I believed before I went under the water (much to the amusement of the onlookers). That was the most amazing day ever, the miracle that took place that day in my life, I will never forget.

    Lee… if you love someone, you will do anything for them? right? You will jump into ice cold water swimming pools in the middle of winter and you will shout out their name for all to hear? It’s got nothing to do with age, or being naive. Nooo. You need to get yourself into this space.

  • donna

    Robert wrote:

    I too have an encounter with the Blue Flame – its a long story, perhaps longer than this msg – but i was asked by my Angel Michael to meditate upon the blue flame – I did not know why and had no knowledge of the blue flame it first came in a dream I had never researched Michael before only worked with him- he suggested in one mediation that I look at Google for blue flame – in fact he said after this meditation is complete go to the internet type in ” Angel Michael blue flame” and see what happens – i was wonderfully amazed.I have had a lot of revelations like this with Michael. Michael has never suggested I study the scriptures and has always encourage me to experience knowledge rather that intellectualize it – the current bible is full of edits – we cannot be consumed by the demiurge if we turn to and shelter in Gods love because there we are invisible to him – and no book or person need tell us what love is we all know in in our heart minds and spirit. I admire those in the truth such as Patricia who undertake a study of the scriptures and are prepared to gently help turn those full of bigotry and misunderstandings to a greater truth, a truth that is full of love and empty of demons.

    Robert, you need to repent~!~!~!
    What you are doing is called DIVINATION, and God says that ALL who do such things are DETESTABLE TO HIM.
    You are playing with fire and you might find yourself in a lake of it if you keep it up.
    The “michael” you are talking about is a familiar spirit and of course “he” will not encourage you to read the Bible because the Bible is the direct God breathed, God inspired Word of God that will open your eyes. Your familiar spirit will continue to lie and decieve you with the ultimate goal of leading you to hell.
    The Bible IS NOT full of “edits”, it is the eternal Word of God, without error and infallible, to say otherwise is to call God a liar and you my friend need Him more than you realize.
    The “book” as you call it the ultimate message of love, God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son the whosoever should believe in Him shall not perish.
    But it also says this”: for this is the condemnation that men loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil. So you my friend either are a lover of darkness on your way to hell or a lover of Light on your way to spend eternity with Jesusl Christ, and you are not in between.
    It is one thing for you to believe in lies like your “angel” “michael” but it is another thing to teach others to sin with what God says is DETESTABLE.
    Repent before this “angel” inspires someone to take your life, because that is the whole intention of this evil spirit, to take your life so that you never see heaven.

  • Lee

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Lee
    I didn’t think I had half the strength to do what I do either, but I get it from somewhere… on high :) Before I got saved I had no idea what the Bible contained – I read a few pages here and there and it was like reading a dead plank of wood. After I got saved, I read it and it the words came alive. I understood everything (well mostly) and it made me think I was looking at two completely different books.
    This is what I wish you to experience Lee. And what brought on this miraculous change in me was the fact that I WANTED TO CHANGE MY WAYS. I wanted to throw my sins at Jesus’ feet and repent for each and every single one of them. I wanted to be CLEAN. I wanted to START FROM SCRATCH. I remember there was a week where I told Jesus day in and day out that no matter what happens I would NEVER go back to my old ways, no matter what Satan threw at me (and boy did I only get a taste of hell when I attempted to leave the occult). But I told Jesus, NEVER will I turn my back on Him EVER. Like I am speaking to you, trying to at least give you a bit of help (to the best of my ability) I had none. No one to speak to – because these churches I went to seeking help were all weird and stuff. So it was me and Jesus, and my faith in HIM that HE was going to save me from the nightmare I was in. And He saved me all right. But HE knew my heart, HE knew that when I said I was sorry for everything I had done, I REALLY meant it. I was baptised in the middle of winter in an ice cold swimming pool – I shouted out loud that I believed before I went under the water (much to the amusement of the onlookers). That was the most amazing day ever, the miracle that took place that day in my life, I will never forget.
    Lee… if you love someone, you will do anything for them? right? You will jump into ice cold water swimming pools in the middle of winter and you will shout out their name for all to hear? It’s got nothing to do with age, or being naive. Nooo. You need to get yourself into this space.

    wow! your testimony is a really touching story. I know what you mean. I wish I was like you and had your zeal. my heart kindles something of hope when I hear somebody say how Christ saved them – like I experienced a hunger but yours is just like woaahh! especially your baptism story! you believed even before going down into the water ? wow! that is a love! Yes Debs, if you love someone do anything for them….i just ask God to help me see the wickedness in my sins and the evil it is. I ask Him to make me fall in Love with Him & everything that He stands for. True, it has nothing to do with age. But when you grow up in a culture, sometimes you feel pressured for whatever and I know the Word said be not conformed to this world, but when your tryna make a way in life, career it can be hard because ‘they’ want to control you! But yes, I can never be naive or concerned with age. I wish I was you Debs. Another thing that is stopping me from coming to Jesus fully is that I’m scared I’ll sin, so I use the excuse, well He won’t want me because I keep falling and messing Him around even though I never forget Him or want to know Him.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Lee

    >>>>But when you grow up in a culture, sometimes you feel pressured for whatever and I know the Word said be not conformed to this world, but when your tryna make a way in life, career it can be hard because ‘they’ want to control you!

    I find that to be totally incorrect. If you do not want to drink, then don’t drink, if you don’t smoke, then don’t smoke. No corporation can control you – impossible. I used to just say, “NO!” Yeah I was the loser in the group, but who cares. I don’t. Friends? What are friends? people who will turn their backs on you sooner than you can batter your eyelids. Tell your friends you’ve chosen Jesus Christ and see the reaction. It’s a guaranteed way to empty a room and fast.

    >> Another thing that is stopping me from coming to Jesus fully is that I’m scared I’ll sin, so I use the excuse, well He won’t want me because I keep falling and messing Him around even though I never forget Him or want to know Him.

    This is Satan’s biggest lie he pulls on EVERYONE, me included. Rubbish. The whole part about a relationship with Jesus, Lee is that you need to have JESUS BY YOUR SIDE all the time. It does not matter how many times you come to him and say you are sorry, it’s all about the process, in the beginning you will be asking forgiveness a lot, but with the help of the Holy Spirit you will be sinning less and less until no more – and if you slip up you repent. Satan would love to keep you apart from Jesus, thats his plan – make the person think Jesus is not interested in them because they keep sinning too much. nonsense.

  • Lee

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Lee
    >>>>But when you grow up in a culture, sometimes you feel pressured for whatever and I know the Word said be not conformed to this world, but when your tryna make a way in life, career it can be hard because ‘they’ want to control you!
    I find that to be totally incorrect. If you do not want to drink, then don’t drink, if you don’t smoke, then don’t smoke. No corporation can control you – impossible. I used to just say, “NO!” Yeah I was the loser in the group, but who cares. I don’t. Friends? What are friends? people who will turn their backs on you sooner than you can batter your eyelids. Tell your friends you’ve chosen Jesus Christ and see the reaction. It’s a guaranteed way to empty a room and fast.
    >> Another thing that is stopping me from coming to Jesus fully is that I’m scared I’ll sin, so I use the excuse, well He won’t want me because I keep falling and messing Him around even though I never forget Him or want to know Him.
    This is Satan’s biggest lie he pulls on EVERYONE, me included. Rubbish. The whole part about a relationship with Jesus, Lee is that you need to have JESUS BY YOUR SIDE all the time. It does not matter how many times you come to him and say you are sorry, it’s all about the process, in the beginning you will be asking forgiveness a lot, but with the help of the Holy Spirit you will be sinning less and less until no more – and if you slip up you repent. Satan would love to keep you apart from Jesus, thats his plan – make the person think Jesus is not interested in them because they keep sinning too much. nonsense.

    “If you do not want to drink, then don’t drink, if you don’t smoke, then don’t smoke. No corporation can control you – impossible. I used to just say, “NO!” Yeah I was the loser in the group, but who cares. I don’t. Friends? What are friends? people who will turn their backs on you sooner than you can batter your eyelids.” – I know your right, its just I feel pressured/attacked spiritually sometimes. Can I ask, can people tell your a Christian because in public sometimes I may get a funny look? it’s like they can sense something different about you and they don’t like it. spiritually I mean.

    “Tell your friends you’ve chosen Jesus Christ and see the reaction. It’s a guaranteed way to empty a room and fast.” – LOOOOOOL! thats true. well most my friends are Christians, I just bet there are some leaven (in terms of false teaching) in their lives. But unbeliever friends know where I stand, they try push the line with me sometimes but mostly aren’t hip to me as you said. I just know them from class so I get to know most people. Going to university, you end up finding out a whole load of rubbish and diabolical things about various people and their background, thats why if your not strong (like me) or grounded in the Word (or finding out the foundation you had was faulty), you’ll just be flowing down the river instead of swimming against it. what people tell me they believe is so hilarious…various people.

    This is Satan’s biggest lie he pulls on EVERYONE, me included. Rubbish. The whole part about a relationship with Jesus, Lee is that you need to have JESUS BY YOUR SIDE all the time. It does not matter how many times you come to him and say you are sorry, it’s all about the process, in the beginning you will be asking forgiveness a lot, but with the help of the Holy Spirit you will be sinning less and less until no more – and if you slip up you repent. Satan would love to keep you apart from Jesus, thats his plan – make the person think Jesus is not interested in them because they keep sinning too much. nonsense – ahh ok! I just tend to think that sometimes, just sometimes, we can all be too comfortable and think mehhh, just one little sin more. I know I have. and then when I really want to stop, thats when I know I can’t. But your right Its a process.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Lee

    >> Can I ask, can people tell your a Christian because in public sometimes I may get a funny look? it’s like they can sense something different about you and they don’t like it. spiritually I mean.

    Yes mooooosstttt definitely. In fact it’s almost uncanny sometimes. But this is a good thing, it means the spirit in them is NOT the same as the spirit in you. If this is the case Lee then you do have the Holy Spirit abiding in you and you are just going through a terrible spiritual struggle at the moment (which we have now accessed based on your other comments elsewhere on this blog).

    >> ahh ok! I just tend to think that sometimes, just sometimes, we can all be too comfortable and think mehhh, just one little sin more. I know I have. and then when I really want to stop, thats when I know I can’t. But your right Its a process.

    True, if we become comfortable sinning then again we have a problem. The point is Jesus knows if you are TRYING your best and if you ask Him to help you stop He WILL help you stop, but He wants to see your effort first. For instance, now I am giving away my story here, but I suppose if I don’t tell it then you won’t understand. I begged and pleaded for God to deliver me from smoking for months before HE DID. Did I ever stop asking Him? Nope. Did I give up? Nope. I tried to quit by myself and the less I tried to smoke the more I smoked believe it or not – it was terrible. I would light up one after the other and ask Jesus forgiveness for lightning up each time and tell Him and I can’t stop by my own power. I was addicted. I have no power what-so-ever. He has all the power in the world to remove this addiction from me. And one day lying on the bed next to my husband, I closed my eyes and prayed and asked Jesus to deliver me from smoking and … just like that… I was free. I burst out crying, told my husband God delivered me from smoking, got up, threw my cigarettes and ashtray away and never looked back. God healed my lungs as well, they are clean and look like lungs should look on an xray lol. – Now I hope my little testimony helps you understand that you in a way have to prove yourself to God a little bit here, He wants to see how earnest you are, and in the process you will learn a few good lessons that He will teach you.

  • Lee

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Lee
    >> Can I ask, can people tell your a Christian because in public sometimes I may get a funny look? it’s like they can sense something different about you and they don’t like it. spiritually I mean.
    Yes mooooosstttt definitely. In fact it’s almost uncanny sometimes. But this is a good thing, it means the spirit in them is NOT the same as the spirit in you. If this is the case Lee then you do have the Holy Spirit abiding in you and you are just going through a terrible spiritual struggle at the moment (which we have now accessed based on your other comments elsewhere on this blog).
    >> ahh ok! I just tend to think that sometimes, just sometimes, we can all be too comfortable and think mehhh, just one little sin more. I know I have. and then when I really want to stop, thats when I know I can’t. But your right Its a process.
    True, if we become comfortable sinning then again we have a problem. The point is Jesus knows if you are TRYING your best and if you ask Him to help you stop He WILL help you stop, but He wants to see your effort first. For instance, now I am giving away my story here, but I suppose if I don’t tell it then you won’t understand. I begged and pleaded for God to deliver me from smoking for months before HE DID. Did I ever stop asking Him? Nope. Did I give up? Nope. I tried to quit by myself and the less I tried to smoke the more I smoked believe it or not – it was terrible. I would light up one after the other and ask Jesus forgiveness for lightning up each time and tell Him and I can’t stop by my own power. I was addicted. I have no power what-so-ever. He has all the power in the world to remove this addiction from me. And one day lying on the bed next to my husband, I closed my eyes and prayed and asked Jesus to deliver me from smoking and … just like that… I was free. I burst out crying, told my husband God delivered me from smoking, got up, threw my cigarettes and ashtray away and never looked back. God healed my lungs as well, they are clean and look like lungs should look on an xray lol. – Now I hope my little testimony helps you understand that you in a way have to prove yourself to God a little bit here, He wants to see how earnest you are, and in the process you will learn a few good lessons that He will teach you.

    “Yes mooooosstttt definitely. In fact it’s almost uncanny sometimes. But this is a good thing, it means the spirit in them is NOT the same as the spirit in you.” – Yeah like I have had, in the past, people ask me am I religious LOOL simply because I don’t drink or smoke, even though I’m a young student and I do go out to socials e.t.c. and they seemed to be miffed when they can’t get me to drink. Someone I was working with in class (an unbeliever friend) openly told me he was going to try corrupt me (which did never work, although I had a drink but that wasn’t a result of him) and by the end of the year in July just gone he said I’m hard work. Don’t get me wrong, I have fallen into sin as my own fault, but my friends have said it has been hard to corrupt me which they can’t do. loool on the other hand, my friend who is a muslism randomnly asked me via facebook (he lives in Turkey) if I’m jewish or Christian, now I most definetely am not Jewish by blood or religion loool but I told him that I was Christian. Others like you say uncanny sometimes, do suspect something dfferent about you. certain instances I have had to put up with attacks from people, although it is the spirit behind them, as they attack me for no rationale reason.

    “True, if we become comfortable sinning then again we have a problem.” – yep that is me. It all started when I allowed a pet sin. let me give my story away now. it is only fair lool! I started doing the male thing (which i won’t write on here but you know!) and I distinctly got warned to stop but at the time seemed pleasurable. I did stop, but then I had a genuine problem like you said for smoking. then it progressed to going onto websites with explicit nature then it got to a point where I commited the act with a male :( the worst part is at the moment I truly realised that it was not good and left the person early. I repented but my repentance seemed shallow. I was devastated. I had been a virgin and I can’t believe what I had done. I never told anyone, not my mum, no one. I really do want to tell her the truth so she doesn’t see me as her golden son, blessed from God and always perfect. from that moment on ( spring 2008 I think) I became depressed, started isolating myself and saying God will never forgive me, then I began to sink deeper and deeper until when I started university, the only thing I did day in day out was be on those websites and part of me loved it because I gained ‘love’ and acceptance from not being condemned. When i came out of that fantasy, reality hit with other things happening (like relative passing away) and I knew I needed to stop and thats where the struggle has been mostly to today. I started to lie even more and more to maintain an ‘image’ of someone who I wasn’t and I only wished out. I’ve learnt my lesson now coupled with coming out of the church. In some ways, better now than later on, because at least now, I can properly examine my foundation and say, I musn’t do this because it will debilitate the integrity of my testimony e.t.c. I said to God one time, I’m glad am nothing because when your someone, thats when problems really start! am glad to be no one and lets keep it that way. if people hate, let i’d rather be hated for someone I truly am than for someone/something I truly am not, so making a false ‘image’!

    [EDITED by DTW: Lee, I have highlighted your comments in bold so I can see what’s my comment vs what’s your comment]

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Lee

    I just pray that you get your life sorted out with God soon. I have given you some really helpful info, but now it’s upto you to want to turn your life around.

  • Lee

    Debs thank you. I appreciate it.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Lee

    I have been thinking about this since last night. You said…. “Yeah like I have had, in the past, people ask me am I religious LOOL simply because I don’t drink or smoke, even though I’m a young student and I do go out to socials e.t.c.” That is different to what I thought you meant by people picking up that you are a Christian without knowing these things – there is a big difference between a spiritual battle where people pick up that you are a Christian vs what you explained.

    I also have to now retract my statement where I said that I believe you must have the Holy Spirit abiding in you, sorry Lee. I gotta learn to stop making these HUGE assumptions. See the thing is YOU know right? And based on your life as it stands right now, you gotta lotta praying to do. Homosexuality is a terrible thing in the eyes of the God, it mocks everything about Him and His creation. It mocks the Bride of Christ and the wedding with Jesus. Understand?

  • Lee

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Lee
    I have been thinking about this since last night. You said…. “Yeah like I have had, in the past, people ask me am I religious LOOL simply because I don’t drink or smoke, even though I’m a young student and I do go out to socials e.t.c.” That is different to what I thought you meant by people picking up that you are a Christian without knowing these things – there is a big difference between a spiritual battle where people pick up that you are a Christian vs what you explained.
    I also have to now retract my statement where I said that I believe you must have the Holy Spirit abiding in you, sorry Lee. I gotta learn to stop making these HUGE assumptions. See the thing is YOU know right? And based on your life as it stands right now, you gotta lotta praying to do. Homosexuality is a terrible thing in the eyes of the God, it mocks everything about Him and His creation. It mocks the Bride of Christ and the wedding with Jesus. Understand?

    No Debs, they use the term ‘religious’ when they ask me but what they actually mean is am I christian? to them (unbelievers) christianity and christians are ‘religious’ but of course we’re not because it is a relationship with Jesus, not religion. When they have asked me am I ‘religious’ I say no, because I am not! and then they ask more specifically am I Christian, and I say yes. but thats what they start off with, by asking if your ‘religious’ first.

    No thats ok, I don’t want you to make huge assumptions. I was just making that statement to see that I’m not imagining things. I know I have alot of praying to do. I know it is terrible thing. there’s no excuse I know, but I wallow in it so much, I start to become desensitised, then my heart becomes calloused. Your right, I need to pray to really ask God to show me how black it is the sin. sometimes i would like the moment of it then regret it afterwards. I suppose it’s just issues of my heart I really need to sort out.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Lee

    Remember that YOU as a person are loved dearly by God, but the sin divides you from God. I pray you don’t have to hit rock bottom before you turn your life around, because sin in this life always carry consequences, be it disease, being desensitized that you can’t enjoy normal sexual relations, psychological damage, etc.

  • Lee

    your right Debs. you have to be strict, you have to do what you have to do. I know it is terrible. I just have a hard time stopping it. I never had much of a father figure in my family since he wasn’t there and just always needed to be loved equally in a healthy way. my mum loves me i know that, but there is no balance on the father side. I had this problem since I was small, maybe 4 or 5 years old. I saw myself different to other boys in that they were bigger, more stronger and more ‘butch’ than me, so alot of the time I felt isolated. but i know thats no excuse. The act is still terrible. I know I must pray and repent. Also I really don’t wish to get married (thats not an excuse for me doing the sinful things, thats just my personal choice I choose not to get married) I prefer to remain single instead but I must ask God to help me stop these ‘feelings’ because i know it is terrible.

  • Lee

    Hi Debs, my email still isn’t working! It may work next week, hopefully!

  • Lee

    Hi Debs, sorry haven’t commented since the other day. I got busy thinking e.t.c and My housemate fell out of his window drunk and it was just a mess.

    Anyway, I have been thinking just about the time i discovered this blog till now and have decided its probably best to leave for a number of reasons:

    1) I think reading through my responses there ARE excuses but underlying this is the spiritual attacks and battles that have come with my stuff

    2) everytime you and I have corresponded I always felt like I was mocking you by playing around with you, one minute Im serious, next im not,

    3) I realise as a child of God, He does not get mocked! Be not deceived!

    4) to be fully honest, I have learnt that backsliding, someone falls into their sin, if they stay there long enough, they tend to resist the Light of Christ. that is so with me, it seems! either that or I have never known Him. But either way, part of me loves to stay in my sin and part of me wants to live in the truth, but is not humbling myself and surrendering to Christ.

    I also realise I irritate you and you have a long job, i don’t need to add to that. All I can do is try at least come to the end of myself before God really comes through for me. Maybe I’ll appreciate Him alot more than I do now. In a way, most of us in the West live in a ‘fantasy’ Christianity world, we don’t ever think of persecution or conviction of the power of the gospel, thus we REALLY don’t realise real life e.t.c. I do, but no enough it seems.

    Another thing about me. I have a fear of man which means I will have a tendency to lie or shift things in order to construct myself in the view of others. im like wind tossed to and fro, a dog that returns to his vomit. Sometimes at critical times, the fear of God overwhelms any fear of men or the world or society e.t.c. but most times I just construct myself. I recently asked God to destroy the way I am because it hinders His image.

    for the past year or so, I have been thinking about death, maybe because my granmother died within the same time frame as Michael Jackson which I remembered seeing the news all over the world about, then my father this past Christmas on eve. Everyone is just going… :( my outlook on life is bleak. and thats because I know the truth but somehow can’t conform my life to it completely. Me plus my sin and thinking that Im a child of Satan makes me think I killed them somehow and that im infectious. the past months I’ve been thinking when am I going to die, when am I going to die, any moment now God is going to judge me and he will be righteous to…any moment now…

    so with due respect, It has been nice to speak with you. Somehow I have no insurance of Salvation. I also don’t think I can keep coming on here; that would make me a hypocrite.

    So if you’d like to say anything else feel free to :) but thank you Debs, bye and the Lord bless you :) xx

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Lee

    I have said before that you are not irritating me, but never the less. Most importantly and this is what I knew from the beginning and that is you are suicidal and that there is a demonic spirit speaking rubbish into your mind as you makes up things to suit it’s own melancholy situation. For instance, NO you did not kill your dad, you are not infectious and you are not a child of Satan.

    You have the truth Lee, you know how to escape this nightmare. But no one can do it for you – you have to do it yourself.

    Have you spoken to your mother yet? Because I can tell you, she loves you and the last thing she wants is another funeral.

  • Lee

    “I have said before that you are not irritating me, but never the less.” ok im sorry, maybe its the way I read things online…

    “Most importantly and this is what I knew from the beginning and that is you are suicidal and that there is a demonic spirit speaking rubbish into your mind as you makes up things to suit it’s own melancholy situation. For instance, NO you did not kill your dad, you are not infectious and you are not a child of Satan.”

    hmmmm you are right…but I would NEVER consider suicide…just never, I know what will happen if I did. its just when I say those things, I think that it will be better to be honest with myself than to deceive you or anybody into thinking im ‘Christian’ when I may not be.

    “You have the truth Lee, you know how to escape this nightmare. But no one can do it for you – you have to do it yourself.” I KNOW Debs…I just pray here and there that God will truly save me. Don’t worry….God knows how to deal with me, I have a feeling that He is going to do something in order to bring into His light again. Like humble in front of saved ones and unsaved to show them that even the ones who look ‘together’ are desperate sinners who need to be broken, Oh don’t worry Debs He will see to it.

    “Have you spoken to your mother yet? Because I can tell you, she loves you and the last thing she wants is another funeral.” Oh I can’t bring myself to..tooo many lies, deceit, underhand, wickedness, but nevertheless I pray God will encourage me to! I need to seeks her forgiveness because I LOVE her so much and last thing I want is to disobey her. God has given me someone who knows me better than anyone on this earth. But as I said, as I hide things it becomes harder to open up.

  • Burning Lamp

    Lee, somehow you have to free yourself from your confusion. You know who creates that and it is not God. You have to clear your mind and ask God to help you, but you need to come out of your double-mindedness. But it is your choice.

    At what point will you become weary of all the lies of the enemy and according to you wallowing in sin – and hunger and thirst after righteousness? When you reach that point you will reach out for God and Him alone and then and only then will you have victory.

    Resist the enemy, don’t resist the Lord Jesus. Lee, you must SURRENDER to Him – until you do so you will be miserable.

    Get into the Word and read it – feed your mind with the truth and the lies will fade away. Resolve to live for God and to give yourself fully to Him. Your current state is one of confusion and nothing good can come out of that.

    It is your choice. I pray you make the right one.

    Grace and peace to you.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Lee

    I have told you before that I love you lots, I have this love that wants to see you ripped out of this hellhole you are in into Jesus’ arms. But you are indeed your own worst enemy. I pray that God does something soon too. The good news of all of this Lee is that you are not in this situation for nothing – And because of your LOVE for the truth (and yes you do love the truth, that is one this I have noticed) God will do something in your life. When you say you pray here and there that God will truly save you it actually be a feverent prayer, non-stop prayer that God will truly save you and that is when He will step in.

  • Lee

    Burning Lamp wrote:

    Lee, somehow you have to free yourself from your confusion. You know who creates that and it is not God. You have to clear your mind and ask God to help you, but you need to come out of your double-mindedness. But it is your choice.
    At what point will you become weary of all the lies of the enemy and according to you wallowing in sin – and hunger and thirst after righteousness? When you reach that point you will reach out for God and Him alone and then and only then will you have victory.
    Resist the enemy, don’t resist the Lord Jesus. Lee, you must SURRENDER to Him – until you do so you will be miserable.
    Get into the Word and read it – feed your mind with the truth and the lies will fade away. Resolve to live for God and to give yourself fully to Him. Your current state is one of confusion and nothing good can come out of that.
    It is your choice. I pray you make the right one.
    Grace and peace to you.

    Thanks BL! I’ve always been a double-minded person. But not in the sense of not believing on God, but in staying routed for him.. You know I really think im an example of that parable that Jesus talks about (and I notice when I read the Word, its like I’ve been impressed by God ‘this is you, repent e.t.c.’)
    where he gives like 2 or 3 different types of fruit from various believers life…like the one where they receive the Word gladly but when tribulation comes, they fall away or the cares of the world choke the purity of the Word! that scripture. I kind of knew that was me in some way, that when hard time come, I have never learnt to fully trust God or live in the entirety of His Word, always being supported by friends, family, and I suppose the lifestyle of the West. I think it also comes down to me not realising life and its hurdles something I need to wake up from if I indeed want to be a firm follower/believer! But thats what I think. Living in the West as a Christian can (if the person is not careful) easily make you lukewarm – the material goods, democracy for every whim of people’s ‘rights’ (desires)and such alike can (try) choke the zeal of the Christian. But thats my 2 cents worth…

  • Lee

    “I have told you before that I love you lots, I have this love that wants to see you ripped out of this hellhole you are in into Jesus’ arms.” —thank you! That can only be the Lord’s love :) :) :)!

    “But you are indeed your own worst enemy.” —I thought this very thing like a year ago. I realised I’m to blame.

    “I pray that God does something soon too.”

    —You can count on IT! I always tell myself, even now as I type this, my heart beats because He so allows it to, His mercies!

    “The good news of all of this Lee is that you are not in this situation for nothing – And because of your LOVE for the truth (and yes you do love the truth, that is one this I have noticed) God will do something in your life.”

    —I hope I do. There are still moments when I resist the truth but realise thats the only thing I know because of my exposure to His Word. I pray He will do something in my life too. Make me truly like Christ.

    “When you say you pray here and there that God will truly save you it actually be a feverent prayer, non-stop prayer that God will truly save you and that is when He will step in.”

    —thats true! thanks for that!

  • Michael

    Deb’s I do not know if this is appropiate in this column but something has evolved out of these interactions (I do not for the ignorant and with respect mean evolution because that is a scientific lie) but there are a lot of people out there that have genuinely been saved (yes God is merciful and can even save you in a Angus Buchan scenario or even others) BUT to continue there ( false doctrines that are connected there…like Benny Hinn (a liar) Joyce Meyer ( very nice person but deluded and like American culture has been brought up to worship comfort…the American way) will PUT people really wanting a new life and only Jesus and His sacrifice can give you direction and victory can do,
    I can honestly make my voice known because I have been in darkness whilst still being “in what the chara’s call fellowship ”
    But they do not repent of the past,still live like they always have and ABUSE grace. They simply do NOT want to die to the world and their old life…they do not obey the instruction (or at least oppose) you CANNOT serve GOD and Mammon.

  • Lee

    Hello Deborah!!!

    Just passing by to say hello! Haven’t commented in a while!

    I just wanna ask, do you feel like people irritate you sometimes? I onli ask cos theres just certain people who I have to put up with and I feel like their insincere and mocking me. This is just an impression but I don’t know if they really are. Like because I live with other students sometimes I feel stressed with their nonsense and the way they try (indirectly) to disapprove of how I do things. One minute they start acting funny and the next they want to be friends. I can’t tolerate stupidity like that! so I just felt like coming to vent to you and see if you have had that experience and how you deal with it?

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Hi Lee

    No, believe it or not I am not irritated by people. I have learnt to grow the thickest skin in the world. People can be insincere and mock me – that is their problem, not mine. These are the type of people however that you will want to stay FAR away from in reality. When you realise the world around you is evil and the ONLY ONE you can RELY on is Jesus then other people’s ‘problems’ become a thing of the past. You start to live in a new little world that revolves around Jesus instead – like no matter what they do and say, you remain happy because Jesus is in your life.

  • Lee

    Deborah,

    Your good to be like that! I’m starting (and have been seeing) that yes, the world is evil I knew that. But just some people really amze me going out of their way to annoy me. Like if I say something or do something, their ready to open their mouths and become troublemakers! I just feel like they’re really trying to put roadblocks in my way! But yes, if you are in Jesus you ARE happy. I also know THAT! THAT is also the case. when people see you doing what they know is truth but HATE it, they start to go mock me and become deliberately spiteful! and that is what sometimes frustrates me. and im not talking about everyone, I’m talking about those who KNOW the truth but go out of their way to mock what you believe! those who genuinely don’t know I love, because at least you know what your getting with them! those no two-faces! Can you see what I mean? I hope I don’t come across as not making sense. Its just certain people in my spirit grieve me, LIKE REALLY FRUSTRATE ME and I have to deal with them because they are in my daily life.

  • Lee

    >>”People can be insincere and mock me – that is their problem, not mine. These are the type of people however that you will want to stay FAR away from in reality.”

    I’m also thick-skinned like you (but your way more experienced)! But it seems these type of people have been purposefully been put in my life I don’t know why, but I really do not like the way they are. and they try to affect the way you are, sometimes its hard. I just keep running into them. Like those who pretend to be friends show who they are by their heart attitudes! it could be small thigns but are significant to God’s eye! God forbid do not ever let me seem that way to you Deborah :(!

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Lee

    I get what you are saying. You do know that the answer to your problem is….. taadaaaaa PRAYER! If I am having trouble, with someone, or something for example, I take my troubles to Jesus in prayer and I ask Him to help me understand why they are there or better yet remove them from my midst. If what is happening to you is a spiritual battle, and these people are coming to you to deliberately mock you because you know the truth, then you need to take your prayer to Jesus and ask Him to stop these people in their tracks, or cause a diversion. You will be surprised at what happens Lee – try it :)

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Lee

    You have asked me 4 times if you irritate me and I said no. What might happen is that I might get irritated of you asking me ;) LOL and then I will have to come out with all sorts of clubs and bats and beat ya to death because of it. haha :) Come now, relax Lee, let me massage your shoulders!

  • Lee

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Lee
    I get what you are saying. You do know that the answer to your problem is….. taadaaaaa PRAYER! If I am having trouble, with someone, or something for example, I take my troubles to Jesus in prayer and I ask Him to help me understand why they are there or better yet remove them from my midst. If what is happening to you is a spiritual battle, and these people are coming to you to deliberately mock you because you know the truth, then you need to take your prayer to Jesus and ask Him to stop these people in their tracks, or cause a diversion. You will be surprised at what happens Lee – try it :)

    Ok thanks for the advice Debs :) Your amazing!!!!

  • Lee

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Lee
    You have asked me 4 times if you irritate me and I said no. What might happen is that I might get irritated of you asking me ;) LOL and then I will have to come out with all sorts of clubs and bats and beat ya to death because of it. haha :) Come now, relax Lee, let me massage your shoulders!

    LOOOOL sense of HUMOUR!!!

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    I knew you would find that funny ;))

  • Lee

    Ahhhh I love you Debs. Your HARSH but I see your LOVE at the heart of it all. Even if initially I don’t like what I hear, I KNOW what is being said is truth in the gut of my stomach! ahh yes, even I have a hard time as well getting to grips with the truth. its my pride I need to smash to pieces you see. so please forgive me. oh a free massage is due ;)

  • Lee

    Debs have you heard of a minister by the name of Tim Conway?

    He runs a ministry called Grace Community Church in Texas and was wondering if you’ve heard of him? Now let me say he is affiliated with ministers like Paul Washer, John Piper et al but so far upon listening to him, he’s biblically on point. I was wondering what you think of him? He runs a media ministry called “I’ll be honest” and they do sermon videos online which you can watch, if your service provider can hack it ;)

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Lee

    That’s the problem, you know, it sounds so much like I am being harsh because the TRUTH hurts but I am not. I know that I am not the one who changes hearts, it’s the Holy Spirit and it’s really not me you are fighting against, but Him. He is the one who is convicting you through my words.

    When I was growing up, my mother was onto me like bubblegum stuck in hair. She drove me nuts with the gospel message of Jesus Christ. I hated her for it. We used to have shouting matches – and then I would run off to my room and slam my door. Now I look back and I can tell you this, if it was not for my mother’s constant, nagging way of preaching to me I would be dead. The message she drove home like nails into a wall saved my life, yes JESUS CHRIST saved me, but it was my mom’s relentless message that helped me turn my life around 15 years later.

    So, I know from experience that people might hate me (not you) but people in general reading this blog and they will curse me and they will throw their toys out their cot as to how mean I am, but I know that what I have said to them will stick with them FOREVER and it will nag them until one day they need help and it hits them like a tons of bricks, and it’s like someone turns the lights on and they realise they need Jesus Christ in their life.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Lee

    Waddaya talking about ANOTHER free massage. I already gave you your first one… ;)

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Lee

    I have heard of him but never researched him indepth. He is most definitely a Calvinist if he is associated to Washer and Piper. Ohhhh wait a second, yes I know the “I’ll be honest” website. I was a bit disturbed by one of the videos I saw there because it contained Freemasonry imagery in the background (I kid you not) and no they were not exposing Freemasons either.

    This is Paul Washer: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/04/20/paul-washer-practice-the-presence-silence-and-meditation/
    Read this article on Calvinism to understand the doctrine: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/04/13/calvinism-a-heretical-doctrine-thats-what-the-bible-says/
    John Piper is now friends with Rick Warren who is promoting New Age teaching: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2011/01/12/rick-warren-a-new-age-prescription-for-your-health/

    My service provider can hack it, it’s I can’t afford the bandwidth to watch all these videos *cries*

  • Lee

    Debs,

    “That’s the problem, you know, it sounds so much like I am being harsh because the TRUTH hurts but I am not. I know that I am not the one who changes hearts, it’s the Holy Spirit and it’s really not me you are fighting against, but Him. He is the one who is convicting you through my words.”

    —– I know what you mean. Often when I go back to what you have written, I am convicted and know in my conscience what you or anyone who is biblically on point is saying is true and then thankfully later in retrospect, I’m glad you said what you did, because at the time it can be hard to realise what is actually being said.

    “When I was growing up, my mother was onto me like bubblegum stuck in hair. She drove me nuts with the gospel message of Jesus Christ. I hated her for it. We used to have shouting matches – and then I would run off to my room and slam my door. Now I look back and I can tell you this, if it was not for my mother’s constant, nagging way of preaching to me I would be dead. The message she drove home like nails into a wall saved my life, yes JESUS CHRIST saved me, but it was my mom’s relentless message that helped me turn my life around 15 years later.”

    —– Your mother must have loved (and still does) you! to put up with that. I know I was disobedient to my mum and she always somehow knew. Its like God told her when I did something I wasn’t supposed to do and when she reproved me, it was like getting scolded but I’m glad the way it has made me the way I am, by bringing me up with Godly principles. Now its just maintaining that and walking in it. as proverbs says, train a child in the way they should go and he won’t depart when he is older OR beat a child and you will save his soul from hell (somewhere in proverbs i’ll have to check the verse).

    “So, I know from experience that people might hate me (not you) but people in general reading this blog and they will curse me and they will throw their toys out their cot as to how mean I am, but I know that what I have said to them will stick with them FOREVER and it will nag them until one day they need help and it hits them like a tons of bricks, and it’s like someone turns the lights on and they realise they need Jesus Christ in their life.”

    —– Amen! and what amazes me is your so confident and resolute. Oh Who can give you trouble Deborah lool! no one can!

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Lee

    I pray for you and I know that you will be ok.

    You are right, no one can give me any trouble BECAUSE EACH MESSAGE I give is via the guidance of the Holy Spirit. He is the one typing through my fingers (if you want to put it that way) and each message is given during a time when days are dark and there is NO MORE TIME LEFT.

    Jesus is coming back for His church (those born again) within the next few years; 1 year? 2 years? 3 years? 5 years? Its soon.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Lee

    My mom is the bestest ever!! And my bestest friend, besides my husband. If it was not for her this blog would not be running either I can tell you that – when I’m having a tough time, she is there to lift me up and remind me that Jesus is there for me ALWAYS.

  • Lee

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Lee
    I pray for you and I know that you will be ok.
    You are right, no one can give me any trouble BECAUSE EACH MESSAGE I give is via the guidance of the Holy Spirit. He is the one typing through my fingers (if you want to put it that way) and each message is given during a time when days are dark and there is NO MORE TIME LEFT.
    Jesus is coming back for His church (those born again) within the next few years; 1 year? 2 years? 3 years? 5 years? Its soon.

    its serious times we live in. I’m actually scared to be honest, for myself and especially for those who have sought God honestly and are close to salvation or have it but are on the milk of the Word and need encouragement in the faith! but yes thanks i agree :)

  • Lee

    My mum is the best as well!!! no one on this earth understands me like she does. No one has been there for me (apart from God of course) but her. No one is as genuine with the way she is with me but her. She (like you) rebukes me, loves me, cherishes me, even when she knows how I am, my faults, my ways! I told her this the other day after my dad had gone. I said if she wasn’t here, God forbid if Jesus hadn’t step in, I probably would have commited suicide or worst would have fallen away like scripture says.

  • Lee

    Ok have read/skimmed the articles plus comments,except the Rick Warren one,

    Rick warren I know is just off the rails. doesn’t he teach something like Purpose-Driven everything looool?! cos the church I was going to was modeling their purpose-driven marriage nights, singles nights like this. It was ok, except, youth like me were side-lined and convinced that God wanted us to get married and they shove it down your throat lol! I was like, I’m young and right now, I don’t want to lool.

    So Calvinism basically says that certain men are elect to be saved regardless ehh?

    and that we all can choose to follow God?

    well that contradicts the four Gospel accounts of Matthew, Mark Luke and John then ehh lol!

    Cos they all record Jesus saying that IF any man follow me, let him take up His cross. isnt this verse regarding salvation to eternal life conditional on the “IF” then to say that no one can be saved is wrong.

    Secondly, John 3:16! need I say anymore?

    third, so who are you supposed to preach the Gospel to then? what kind of system exists to tell those who are totally depraved from those who are elect?

    and lastly, To be honest, I really do believe Paul Washer is genuine I can’t seem to believe that he is tainted with Calvinism even though yes, here and there he pushes in that direction. It was he that made me think things biblically through. I don’t think he is a false teacher in the sense of what scripture says they are but then if he is calvinist, then he is stained there. I hope God can correct him because he is one of the few I do listen to and has a heart for God and people.

    really? freemansonry symbol! oh boi are u sure Debs? will have to check!

  • Lee

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Lee
    Waddaya talking about ANOTHER free massage. I already gave you your first one… ;)

    loool im sorry! those massages are top-class ;)! they don’t leave you feeling like you’ve been scammed as opposed to those false massages (aka false teachers) these massages are REAL lool!

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Lee

    Now you see you get the false preacher like Benny Hinny with the bad hair doo and he does things that make you really think there is something dodgy with the man, and then you get the Calvinist like Paul Washer that when he preaches he brings a lump to your throat and you want to drop to your knees and repent – the problem is Paul Washer believes he is Elect, like John MacArthur et al. Did you watch the video oh Paul Washer at the bottom of the page? oh wait that was another article… lookie here: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/10/13/unconditional-election-and-total-depravity-are-gnostic-teachings/ < <--- this is what Paul Washer thinks of little children - but what does the bible say? hmm. Re the video and Freemason stuff, yes I am sure. I would never say stuff like that if I was not sure. In fact it was someone else who commented on this blog who pointed it out to me and I went to watch it and low and behold there it was. Here is his comment: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/04/20/paul-washer-practice-the-presence-silence-and-meditation/#comment-50488 I watched the video and noted in a comment the minutes in the video where you see the occult symbolism and the Rod.

  • Lee

    Deborah (Discerning the World) wrote:

    Lee
    Now you see you get the false preacher like Benny Hinny with the bad hair doo and he does things that make you really think there is something dodgy with the man, and then you get the Calvinist like Paul Washer that when he preaches he brings a lump to your throat and you want to drop to your knees and repent – the problem is Paul Washer believes he is Elect, like John MacArthur et al. Did you watch the video oh Paul Washer at the bottom of the page? oh wait that was another article… lookie here: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/10/13/unconditional-election-and-total-depravity-are-gnostic-teachings/ < <— this is what Paul Washer thinks of little children – but what does the bible say? hmm.
    Re the video and Freemason stuff, yes I am sure. I would never say stuff like that if I was not sure. In fact it was someone else who commented on this blog who pointed it out to me and I went to watch it and low and behold there it was. Here is his comment: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/04/20/paul-washer-practice-the-presence-silence-and-meditation/#comment-50488 I watched the video and noted in a comment the minutes in the video where you see the occult symbolism and the Rod.

    Benny Hinn and his dodgy hair doo loooooooool! but yeah I can see what your saying. Its just, the videos I had seen before of Paul Washer were on point like that Youth convention he preached at that made him famous in the first place, but I get what your saying. Do you think Paul Washer is a Genuine Christian who is deceived on Calvinism yet needs to be corrected as opposed to someone like…err…Benny Hinn or Kenneth Copeland? Oh “touch not my anointing” Debs loool,

  • Michael

    “False massages” I like that, it’s funny…a bit of double humour in that as that is exactly what these stage showmen evangelists and w.o.f. preachers tend to do…they stroke the feelings and emotions of audiences to an effect of getting group approval.

  • Lee

    ooo what happened to my last comment Debs?

    [EDITED: Landed in spam section. I found it for you and approved it]

  • Lee

    Michael wrote:

    “False massages” I like that, it’s funny…a bit of double humour in that as that is exactly what these stage showmen evangelists and w.o.f. preachers tend to do…they stroke the feelings and emotions of audiences to an effect of getting group approval.

    lool! most of the time, the people don’t even know what is happening since the “false massages” are forced upon them. They tell you if you reject the latest anointing from heaven, your in danger of judgement. so much goes on people miss the important bits, its because these showmen talk too fast, they do it so you won’t spot their error!

  • Lee

    Hi Deborah!!! Hope your feeling better ;)

    Guess whos coming to South Africa???……… Yep, you’ve guessed it right, none other than Benny “touch not mine anointed” Hinn loool!

    Apparently he’ll be doing ‘miracle’ crusades in Cape Town, Johannesburg and some other place….ermmmm…Durban! thats it! Keep a watch and see the nonsense that comes out of it! well, we’ll see lol!

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Lee

    Oh my goodness I thought you were going to say YOU were coming here and I almost got excited when I read you say ‘Benny’. What a disappointment. Oh well. We win some and we loose some eh? :)

  • Lee

    LOOOOL! I knew you thought that! I KNEW you might of thought I was coming! *sigh* win some loose some for sure lool. South Africa is just not within my funds lool! although I would LOVE to come! In fact, I may do one day since I do wanna travel.

    Yep, just thought I’d warn ya about ‘Benny. what a disappointment lol!

  • Burning Lamp

    Benny just got slapped w/a hoomungus law suit for breach of contract on a morality code.

  • John Stander

    Excuse my query, but what exactly is ‘ breach of contract on a morality code ‘ ? I am no Hinn supporter, just curious. Is this breach a form of tort ?

  • Lee

    BL, I’m not suprised!!! He tried to enter the UK a couple years ago but wasn’t allowed to! He then tried to fly to paris then come here but the authorities said he couldnt come here!

    ah well thats that Debs! Benny aint coming lool! But I sure am! someday!

  • Michael

    If this is true and knowing a bit about his track record I have no reason to doubt he is probably coming to raise funds for his impending legal fees and/or possible liable cost.
    This man is the lowest of the low and a charlatan of the worst order and is no longer a joke…what boggles the mind is how absolutely naive and blind those are that cannot see through him when it stands out a mile…he just spouts one lie after another. A really true Christian (that is a genuinely repented and reborn one) will NEVER accept a man being from God that tells blatant lies. It is just that there is NO CREDIBILITY or INTEGRITY the essence of believing and acceptance.

  • Anton

    Debs and all who wrote to Lee for all the inf and support …. soe !!! that is great and reassuring …. lets all be very careful , let nothing come in between your prayers and the Lord .Everbody …let us show and pronounce the word of the Lord
    Amen

  • Martin Horan

    We are told in the Psalms, therefore in God’s Own Word, that God Himself puts His Word above His Name and Jesus said that Scripture can not be broken. End of story. So it doesn’t matter what you I or the man next-door believe, think or experience. It is utterly irrelevant if it contradicts the Word of God.
    We ought to bear in mind that Jesus Himself tells us if we are not for Him we are against Him. He Who is the same yesterday, today and forever said it. So we’d best listen to Him and make sure that we are for Him. We are in deep trouble if we do not. Our eternal lives depend upon it.
    How do we “fix out gaze on Him”? We do so by going by what He says and we do that by reading His word.
    That’s how we know that devil comes as an angel of light as do his followers.
    We are told of the simplicity in Christ [2 Corinth 11:3] and that Jesus Christ thanked His Father that the gifts of God were not given to the wise or intellectuals of this world [Matt 11:25; Luke 10:21]. Contrast that with how subtle the devil is [Genesis 3:1]. God’s Truth is not rocket science. It is simplicity itself. But that’s too easy for this world. It wants the subtle things.
    Jesus said, “Me you reject but another you will follow” and the world does that. It did it in the Lord’s Own day and it’s doing it now.
    I have seen people “slain in the spirit” though there is no such biblical term and there is no such thing mentioned or even alluded to in God’s Word. You can be sure you won’t find any of this blue flame mentioned there either.
    If we are not wrapped up in God’s Word which is Truth, we are going to fall. The Bible warns us of these days especially.
    I have known people who I thought were sound Christians end up going off on all kinds of ridiculous tangents. This is because the are signs and wonders seekers in spite of the fact that Jesus Christ Himself called such people an evil and an adulterous generation.
    Jesus said that yet people still chase after these things. It’s very sad and it’s very baffling especially when people know the Bible.
    I guess it’s because they are just not living it.

  • I happened to stumble on this site today. It is called PSYCHIC EXPERIENCES – PUBLISH YOUR PSYCHIC EXPERIENCE.” It was written by a person with the pseudonym of “finesoul.”

    Why Am I Seeing Blue Flames?

    I am hoping to get some guidance from some more experienced psychic’s on this sight. I have always had prophetic dreams where I see in sequence events that have not yet happened. I can predict very accurately all the details that are going to occur. Aside from having seen an entity that only appears when someone is about to die, that is the extent of my abilities… Until recently…

    Ironically, recently I have been getting books on psychic abilities from friends and at random. I’m not sure why as I haven’t expressed any interest in wanting these books. Nonetheless, they keep appearing! I haven’t really been reading them but have received quite a few written by Sylvia Brown. Shorty after receiving these books, I started to experience something that I cannot explain. I started seeing blue flames! I am actually seeing them, not sure if in the minds eye or not but they appear on candles as I walk by or on the stove or any other place that fire should be. I haven’t seen things catch fire or anything of that nature. I never feel threatened when seeing them, just baffled. The flames are usually blue with maybe a little white and disappear almost as soon as I see them. I have actually gotten up to turn off the stove only to realize the stove is not on. This is very strange and I cannot seem to figure out why I am seeing these flames. Am I losing my marb’s or is there an explanation for this?

    Thank you for any information or guidance!

    One of the answers he or she got was the following.

    Well I can help you you see I am a half demon and these flames means that Satan.

    It’s hard to say why you see them but it means that Satan is interested in you for a reason I don’t know.

    But don’t worry he won’t kill you if he wanted to he would already done it.

    He won’t stop though just try speaking to him he doesn’t want to hurt you or your family Abd friends so don’t worry.

    Sense your psychic it may mean you would be involved with us in the future.

    So goodluck finding out why does he need you.

    Read more here.

    This is heartbreaking: “Satan is interested in you for a reason I don’t know.” Had they known and read their Bibles, they would have known why Satan is so interested in them.

    The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. (John 10:10).

    Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. (1Peter 5:8).

    You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies. (John 8:44)

  • laura lee

    I LITERALLY SAW A DEMON ONCE. It was HORRIFIC. It had a black outer being that one could scarcely call “skin”. It was like the black of the rubber of a tire… and like that in consistency. It was burning a BLUE FLAME!! I literally saw this demon after watching a tv show with Benny Hinn on it. You might think I am making this up… but I am not.

    Literally, I didn’t realize that Benny Hinn wasn’t a Christian at the time. I certainly did not “follow his ministry” or anything. I didn’t. But people spoke highly of him.

    Well, I watched one television show by him… his preaching was WAY OFF… and I could tell that because I know the Bible and what he was preaching was NOT the Bible. He was speaking against Jesus Christ and His blood… against the forgiveness of sins through the cross. Now, someone might say that he didn’t. But, I was listening to what he was saying… and he literally spoke against the true Bible doctrines of salvation through Jesus Christ.

    I was shocked. And I wondered how he could speak such wrong things… since others said he was a “great minister”.

    AND, as I considered what he had said… LITERALLY… as I pondered what he said… A DEMON MANIFESTED!! LITERALLY!!

    I saw it. It was black like the color of rubber on a tire and “like that”… and it was BURNING A BLUE FLAME!!

    Like, I saw it’s outward black… that a person could “see through” though it was like rubber and not like human skin… and inwardly it was burning a blue flame straight from hell!!

    I believe the Holy Spirit told me it was a “spirit of fear” and Benny Hinn was preaching fear rather than faith in Jesus.

    Well, at that time, I just thought Benny Hinn was “off a bit” in his preaching. Now I think he is truly false because I studied what he says generally about Jesus and who Jesus is. (I’m sure that’s why when I heard him, I was shocked that he wasn’t preaching Jesus, the cross, and the power of the blood of Jesus. I was certain that was a demon power moving through him as he spoke… it surely was not the Holy Spirit. THEN, as I considered what he had said and was thinking about it… God LITERALLY SHOWED ME THE DEMON that Benny Hinn was ministering!)

    Well, that demon burned with a blue flame straight from hell. I will never forget it.

    So, I believe I know EXACTLY the spirit of the “blue flame” that this woman is talking about. It’s that demon. It’s the devil. It is surely NOT the Holy Spirit.

    The Holy Spirit clearly told me that the flame of hell is BLUE in it’s manifestation in the earth realm… and that is what I was seeing that was the demon Benny Hinn ministered. She is calling on people to FELLOWSHIP WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE DEVIL AND HELL THAT BURNS WITH THAT BLUE FLAME!

    That’s my testimony… and I am telling the truth.

  • Deborah (Discerning the World)

    Laura Lee

    >> God LITERALLY SHOWED ME THE DEMON that Benny Hinn was ministering!)

    God will not show you a demon. That demon manifested because there is something in your life that is not ok and you need to repent of it. Now if we look at your next comment here 2014/11/23 at 9:25 am under the Calvinism’s Roman Catholic Connection article you state a whole lot of UNBIBLICAL things – you believe in Calvinism which is an attack on the gospel of Jesus Christ – this you need to repent of.

  • Lesley Cathey

    I found Patricia to be insightful and some of these Christians commenting are spewing venom. The holy spirit is obviously not with them and they dont understand the bible they dont have eyes to see.

  • Lesley Cathey

    Where in the Bible do you see a blue flame mentioned?

  • K

    I had just come away from a crazy experience involving much of what is written here. I met a pastor with blue flames in his eyes.. Lots of weird things happened after that.. I thought we were twins and that I was going to conquer the world for Jesus with him after listening to his messages. My body started shaking while I was giving what I thought was a prophetic word while standing next to him at a church meeting. My heart also pounded so hard I thought I might die & bad palpitations do not come close. I’ve shared specific bible verses at previous churches that I felt compelled to share and that’s never happened to me. I didn’t think it was nerves, but I wasn’t confident it was a manifestation of the HS either. I saw many red flags in my dealings with this pastor, but looking back it was almost as if I was under a spell thinking he was just a sinner like me, he’s human.. He’s God’s anointed too.. I acted completely out of my character once in a phone conversation with him, felt like I snapped out of something.. I couldn’t even remember all that I had said. He would preach from the pulpit that we would be “white hot on fire for Jesus” and that always struck me as new & odd. I’ve never heard of a white flame before until this article. I believe a soul-tie was formed between us. I foolishly researched the blue flames & came across some stuff that led me to what I now believe was an encounter with Incubus or Succubus or whichever or however they’re spelled. I believe this man was deceitful & conniving. I ended up fasting because I just felt so much confusion & a heavy spirit after leaving the church because of that weird phone conversation and the fact I opened up myself to that demonic teaching, which I immediately repented of. But this heaviness wouldn’t leave me. I felt the enemy was trying to make me give up & forfeit my faith so I pressed in through fasting.. I came to believe I was hearing from the Lord and again started believing (after just a few days before denouncing it as not of God) that God was going to bring us together and I again acted out of character & emailed this guy obscure weird emails.. Later being convinced I was writing them in the night hours, to in fact see that I was writing him in the middle of the day! I sat down, and cried out to the Lord, “what is going on with me!!!?? Please Jesus!! What just happened, why did this happen again!?!?!” And in that moment it was as if every red flag I had ignored popped into my head at lightening speed and I realized all that I just went through was demonic, starting with the first time I met this pastor with blue flames in his eyes. I believe he is operating in the spirit of Jezebel. He may not even know it himself which is very sad. I could write a book with all the details from day one. Bottom line.. This is all so demonic and we need to make sure we study the bible with the bible. There is so much false teaching these days. And do not go by feelings or experience, but the Word of God! My eyes have been opened! I was walking in ignorance and pride.

    Looking back he had this small painting of the words I AM in his living room.. Not to get too weird about it because I AM is the Holy God!, but with everything now (and after reading about that in this article) I’m wondering if he was ever dabbling in the occult before. The Jezebel spirit is witchcraft so..

    He also has (many times) confessed to his porn addiction in his past as well as made reference to being deathly sick for several years and no doctor could figure out why. (Now I wonder if that was demonic induced I’ll lness.) And during that time he “heard” God tell him that he would start a church. So like myself, I wonder if he was hearing from a familiar spirit and has since been operating in the power of demons because I just could not figure out why his sermons were so good, but he sounded void of the spirit in person.

    Do not be hasty in the laying on of hands! (Or having people lay their hands on you!) He laid his hands on me to bless me one day, but his prayers sounded like that of a person void of the Holy Spirit. It was creepy.

    Beware, keep abiding in Jesus~ he takes good care of his sheep!

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