T.B. Joshua – False Miracle Man
T.B. Joshua a False Miracle Man
Letter by Bill Randles to the You Magazine regarding their article on T.B. Joshua (02/25/2001)
Dear Sirs,
I am writing in regard to your article (02/25/01) on the prophet T.B. Joshua entitled MIRACLE MAN. As a Christian Pastor and teacher I am concerned about some of the aspects of this prophet’s ministry which are either unreported or perhaps unappreciated for their significance.
[DTW: underlining emphasis added below]
In the light of the fact that we believe we are living in the last days before Jesus’ return, and that one of the warnings Jesus gave us was that immediately before that time there would arise “False prophets”, who would be able to perform “signs and wonders so that if possible they would be able to deceive even the very elect”, it is extremely important that we be all the more discerning.
I don’t know Pastor Joshua’s heart. Indeed, it seems to be that he is a very sincere man living a simple lifestyle. Rather than taking money constantly [DTW note: this is not true, T.B. Joshua is extremely rich] (as a good many of the celebrated televangelists do) there are stories of T.B. Joshua’s generosity to the poor who struggle to come to him for healing. [DTW note: it is false generosity, he is using the illness’s of people and preying on their emotions to make money] Nonetheless, we are told to be discerning in our evaluation of anything which claims to be “of God”.
“Try the Spirits to see whether they be of God” (I John 4). There are several caveats I offer to those who are seeking discernment regarding these phenomena,
o On a French television interview, Prophet Joshua said that he had received this ‘gift’ at birth. In God’s word, the true Gifts of the Spirit of God are not bestowed at birth to anyone – see 1 Cor:12-14. One must first be converted to Christ to have God’s Spirit indwelling one – and even then the gifts are distributed “as the Spirit wills“.
o Transubstantiation – On videotape distributed by the Synagogue of all Nations, a “Blood of Jesus ” service was shown. It consisted of the Prophet Joshua blessing a huge tank of water, touching each of twelve running spigots, proclaiming them to now be “the blood of Jesus“. The congregation were then shown rushing forward, pushing and pulling among themselves, seeking to get to those spigots first, that they might drink, splash, and in some cases even shower in “the blood of Jesus”. This is perhaps the most disturbing aspect of it all as it turns the Biblical doctrine of the blood of Jesus (His vicarious death) into a sensuous, superstitious experience. No Priest or Prophet can turn any substance into the blood of Jesus – that is more akin to paganism and magic than Christianity. The blood of Jesus was shed as a sacrifice to God the Father, not as a potion to be splashed and bathed in!
o False separation between the Sheep and the goats- In addition to the other antics at the blasphemous “Blood of Jesus” service, as the people pushed, pulled and shoved forward to participate in the so-called blood, those who had “agents of Satan”, were put into a demonic frenzy, rolling on the ground, through the muck and mire (more on that next) screaming and moaning in agony. There is demon possession indeed, but one would look in vain anywhere in the scriptures to find any deliverance service remotely resembling this so called “Blood of Jesus” service. Joshua proclaimed this as the” separation of the sheep and the goats”, which actually takes place at Judgment Day.
o There is also a degrading and even humiliating aspect to these healings.When Christ healed it was in a dignified manner. True man is below, God is above, but man is not “Nothing”, he is made “In the Image of God”. In the Joshua videotape, released by the Synagogue, men with rectal cancer are asked to take down their pants, before others, both before and after the healing. A woman is made to bare her breasts, one showing cancer, and stands in front of a mixed assembly in the agony of her pain. As the healing progresses, her breast is seen oozing puss onto her dress and flowing down to make a puddle on the floor.
o People are seen “Vomiting their troubles away” on the floor. Some vomit blood, others vomit rocks, shells, large worms and live insects. There is no scripture for this. Where did Jesus or His apostles ever do any such things? Yes these stains can be seen on the floor, the very spots where people vomited blood, and where women are seen on camera passing bloody “fibroids” from between their legs! And then on this same floor, people are put into trances, laid out on that same floor, (you can see the spots) and those in trances are seen rolling about in those spots.
o Remote control- T.B. Joshua uses a technique called “remote control“. Standing about ten feet away from “patients”, with hand motions he manipulates their motions: By scooting his hands to the left, the patient seems irresistibly drawn to the left; and to the right, the patient goes to the right; by circling his hands, Joshua sends the patient into a circle, often until they spiral out of control, falling into a dazed heap! Once again, this method is more akin to occult healing practices than it is to Biblical healing and in the compassionate manner of Jesus Christ.
o Another similar technique is called “point of contact“. For example, the bare-breasted woman suffering in agony from cancer, before the congregation, Joshua stands about 15 feet away, and rubs his chin vigorously, This then evidently affects her cancerous breast, in some way. In contrast, the healing of the woman with the issue of blood in Luke 8:44, simply touched Jesus and was healed!
o Calling Fire from heaven – Joshua has the power to call fire from heaven upon the body parts of sinning members of his congregation! A woman in the video is seen clutching her private parts in agony as Joshua’s fire cleanses her of the sin. This causes mild amusement of others in the audience. It does not bring fear of God! We are told in the book of Revelation that the false prophet calls fire from heaven to the amazement of those under delusion!
o Joshua has strange beliefs. For example, he is a vegetarian : he told an interviewer that many of the people he ministers to in the area of deliverance are “Half fish and half man“. In another interview, he said that “the divine person” within him can appear to thousands simultaneously, even coming to them in their dreams! This is not Biblical or Christian!
In closing, I don’t pretend to know Joshua’s motivation; by all accounts he seems to be a very sincere man. However sincerity is no safeguard against deception. I am sure Edgar Cayce, Jean Dixon and countless other prophets, who by Christian, Biblical standards would have to be regarded as False, were equally sincere and unassuming. There are countless warnings in scripture about the emergence of False Prophets and teachers who like Pharaoh’s magicians, withstood and hindered the true gospel by means of signs, wonders and miracles. Just because Joshua seems to be able to produce “results”, doesn’t make him a man of God, nor should we go there. The end does not justify the means. The very idea of having to go to Nigeria to receive a healing, or a miracle, or a Word from God, is unscriptural.
“Jesus Christ is the same, Yesterday, Today, and forever”. He is as closer to us today as our breath, for “Whosoever will call upon the name of the Lord will be saved”.
Sincerely, Pastor Bill Randles (Reply to YOU magazine following an article. Note: Even Radio Pulpit is promoting him) Source: http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/tbjoshua-rebuke.htmlPlease see all articles on T.B. Joshua
Okie Dokie then….next!
Prophet T B Joshua is a true man of God. He lives for God and help convert most people to Christiality. Even Jesus in his days on earth was mocked by the same people he came to deliver. The fact is you can never satisfy everybody, what matters most is for us to know who we are in Christ. He is the author and the finisher of our faith. If you operate in within the realm of the Holy spirit you will understand that Pastor T B Joshua is a blessed man. He is an ordinary man who was made extra ordinary by God. “God is Spirit, and only by his Sprit can people worship him as he really is”
@Discerning The Word your name is as deceitful as your opinions. You have joined the hoards of satans agents who live for the downfall of the people of God. If the lies and deceptions of you and your kind had any weight, would these men you defame not have fallen by now? Instead you revive ancient and disproved texts by other misguided reprobates and begin to use it to fortify your own warped perceptions. Unless God is merciful, you will enjoy the hotbeds of Hades where you will scream your repentance.
i read the book by pastor brandler concerning tb joshua, to my amazement the pastor said that the rthe church of prophet tb joshua there are pictures of dragons which are not there, this tells me that the pastor was saying waht he was just told by people, this is very dangerous for the man of God to tell story he has no proof.
i believe the greatest lier is a person who tell stories he just heard.
its important for pastor to tell the true with evidence than lies
i ve watched tb joshua, but i ve been inspired by pst william kumuyi, lazarus muoka, enock adeboya and brother Chima okelek, but this does not make me to say evil of tb joshua.
pst kasavi vernon maseka
Zambia
I have never read the interview where TB Joshua says he was baptised in the womb (if he ever indeed said it). But I am reminded of Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”
So what is really the problem? He is confessing God’s Word over his situation. As a child of God, this is God’s spoken word to us even today. God knew you in your mother’s womb. I honestly don’t think people read their bibles today.
Concerning “vomiting their troubles away” where were you during the early 80’s charismatic pentecostal movement in northern california and throughout the us? Many popular pastors were just beginning to understand that what was not planted in our systems, spirit soul and body must come out at the command of Jesus Christ. God heals as He wills.
“He is a vegetarian”. Said who? Have you ever visited him? Have you seen him eat?
Most of your claims are baseless gossip that has been transferred from one jealous pastor to the next.
You have discerned nothing. You have simply given in to the common female gossip so common in churches around the world today. Perhaps this is why Paul said women should be silent in the church.
Please, let us return to the truth of the Gospel and our responsibilities as children of God – to tell the sweet story of Jesus Christ, of His love for us. And leave the verbal attacks we like to launch from our pulpits, tv stations and private jets.
If he is not a man of God, he will fail. But if he is from God, there is Nothing you can do to stop the work of God through him.
God does not bless EVIL men. But God has given TB Joshua time to repent of his wickedness.
Thanks for your message. Prophet T.B joshua is doing what God almighty has sent him to do, that wish he has been born for, live for and will die for. God bless him.
Love u all.
Thank God for controversies like this they remind us of how shallow man can be and remind us that through it all we need to seek the face of God. The only question I have is why is there so much noise over this man? Surely if what he was doing was corrupt he would have fallen by now but quite the opposite – God Himself seems to be promoting him more and more. More strength to him!
Isaac
>> Prophet TB Joshua has the solution whether from God or Satan i dont know,
So you saying that Satan has solutions to problems too. And as long as Satan appears to do good, gives, and appears to forgive and does miracles by saving lives on earth but sending their soul to hell in eternity it’s ok.
Well ‘Pastor’ Isaac one needs to wonder where you studied to be a pastor. Because what you are saying is not what the Bible says, and if your studies were based on the Bible then why do you preach another message?
Well, it’s not my duty to judge another man’s servant because God did not call me to be a judge. Prophet TB Joshua has the solution whether from God or Satan i dont know, God knows. He call Jesus Lord, preaches the bible correctly, Does good, and practicalises christianity through GIVING and FORGIVENESS. What i expect me and you to do is, to do the miracles he’s doing thereby saving lives, help the poor masses and focus on our ministry.
Remain Blessed
Pastor Isaac from Abuja
Some of you may wonder how I, as a woman, can dare speak to a man who is a pastor the way I do even as I claim to be a Bible believing Christian. Should I not learn in submission from my husband? Should I be assuming authority over a man, whether it be in my “church” or over the internet? Probably not. But I answer to no one but myself! So if you have a problem with this, go drink coffee and talk about LOVE. hahahahhahaha
[Edited: This is the person who impersonated my blog and name]
I only have this to say…
Please explain Christ on a crusifix, next to a banner saying “there is no deity (god) except allah” quoted from the quaran in his church…
The quaran states that allah has no son. So who is this “jesus” that he refers to in his statement of faith…
oh, since when does water symbolize the blood of Christ?
Just a couple of thoughts…
J O
i got my very first research (2009-07-16) from here: http://www.letusreason.org/Poptea8.htm
i quote a few lines, but it’s best to follow the article yourselves.
Q: Why members of The Synagogue greet one another: Emmanuel? A: My God is a universal God, so He knew the mission He has entrusted me with.
> There are three entrances to the synagogue when one enters through the first gate, there are sets of tap nozzles fixed to the walls. These taps are connected from the public water distribution networks. The Man In The Synagogue sanctifies the water and it becomes Blood of Jesus Christ.
> The congregation … to get to those spigots first, that they might drink, splash, and in some cases even shower in the blood of Jesus….it turns the Biblical doctrine of the blood of Jesus (His vicarious death) into a sensuous, superstitious experience.
> After … they begin to writhe on the floor as in pain, they vomit and pee (mostly women). Both men and women seem to have pain in a certain area as they grab their genitals. > This blood that was once water is said to perform signs and wonders, but the people are tortured. Afterward we see them crawling on the floor scraping their buttocks as they leave. This is no miracle, it is not setting people free, but bringing them into spiritual bondage.
> almost all the supposed miracles are about people being afflicted in the private parts….Afterwards to prove they are healed to an audience the people pull down their pants or dress and show themselves publicly to others….inside a (the) Church.
> Although there was a sense of power at the church, Kiser said that from her experience ministering to people from occult backgrounds, she did not believe it was the work of the Holy Spirit. I saw more powerful miracles than I have ever seen, but they were not of God. (American ‘Held Prisoner’ at Controversial African ‘Miracle’ Church, by Andy Butcher– Charisma News Service, May 17, 2002)
certain gift of healing? He claims he was born with it. The Bible does not teach the gifts of the Spirit are given at birth.
> he touches the area on his body that needs to be healed on sick persons body. This is called transference in energy in psychic circles, this is not how the apostles nor Jesus healed. This is pure sorcery.
– The questions and answers that follow, can be find in this article:
cecilia
the contraversy behind tb joshua is that of a mentor, from my person experience you can receive mentorship by listening from someone, or by reading some autobiography, for example i ve never sat under pastor kumuyi, adeboye, chima okeleke, lazarus muoka and these people they don’t know me and they have never seen me at any time. but i have being inspired by them by virtue of listening to their teaching and some how i can say i ve being mentored by them indirectly. this can be so even to prophet tb joshua. its unfortunately that christians have taken the place of demons and demons have taken the place of christian. (when a demon of lust enters a person it will invite demons of murder, witchcraft, divination etc. to enter that person) why are we busy attacking one another. if prophet tb joshua is not the servant of God, Papa God will see to it that he is not. Most of the pastor in Nigeria i believe they have never being with tb joshua and i believe they just hear stories. May God help us to tell the truth with evidence than rumors.
Oh my…it would seem the spirit of witchcraft and the spirit of false Christianity runs rife in Africa. No wonder the African continent will be such a pushover when the anti-Christ comes to visit. Oh wait he was there the other day, infact he has been to African twice.
TB Johsua is a FALSE teacher who preaches WITCHCRAFT disguised as Christianity. I saw a program the other day on tv about how witch trials are the order of the day in some African countries. That innocent people are accused of being witches because of someone’s hatred for them.
Now here we have someone (TB Joshua) who is a genuine practitioner of black magic and he gets away free. Why should innocent people sufffer from false accusations and the guilty get away with blatant evil because he plays the part very well.
Pathetic.
Yes fake DTW3. I wonder what your wife would say about this comment, let’s not even mention to her the prologue on the fake blog you set up where you speak about women being unclean for 33 days…
T.B. Joshua is a pagan antichrist con man and criminal, like a vast majority of Nigerians whose whole lives are spent in schemes and criminality without one thought WHATSOEVER about Jesus Christ or the wrath of eternal damnation they are going to face since they refuse to repent and be saved.
Joshua has been involved with almost every crime imaginable and because he has so much money in one of the poorest countries of the entire world, he can get away with almost ANYTHING including murder, rape, abortion and any other crime that comes along with cult leaders of the Jim Jones or Hitler type.
Search this on youtube
Deception of the Age
It is a short documentary with testimonials of two people who were engulfed in TB’s cult for many years and have only recently been able to come to grips with what they were involved in and are now going public with everthing they witnessed and took part in while involved in tb’s criminal cult hoping it will shut him down and free many souls from the brainwashing that tb does through all of africa through his satanic emmanuel tv.
Look, Christians, we may all have diverse reasons to support or suspect Prophet T.B Joshua. But after all is said and done, no one will receive favour on THE DAY of JUDGEMENT because he came out with the fact or fallacy that T.B Joshua is a true Prophet. Actually, all of us, including Prophet T.B. Joshua will be judged individually by GOD. So i can only say that let’s be ardent readers of the HOLY BIBLE, Let’s continuously seek the WORD (JESUS CHRIST) till we find HIM and stay with HIM!! With this, we ourselves will know GOD’s true nature n live by HIS examples whiles HE dwelt among us on earth.
Santa
This is not a brownie points competition to see who can get the most facts etc, etc, etc. This about warning people that TB Joshua runs a cult and the most horrendus things take place in his ministry while he uses the THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST to deceive.
And anyone who ardently reads the Word of God would clearly see (because the Holy Spirit in you would WARN YOU so) that TB Joshua is evil and that people need to stay clear from him at all costs.
Watched those 8 videos. Very scary stuff. It’s a pity though that the pastor who did the second half of the videos spoke so fast, it was difficult to understand. Never the less, the proof is there – yet still people don’t want to listen.
I ONLY WANT TO USE THIS MEDIUM TO REACH ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHOM JESUS CHRIST DELIBERATED ABOUT SAYING THAT THEY STAND AT THE DOOR .IN ENTERING THEY WILL NOT ENTER IN GOING OUT THEY WILL NOT GO. THEY ARE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING GOOD IN WHAT THE LIVING GOD IS USING A MAN LIKE THEM TO DO . I AM HERE IN GERMANY PRECISELY KÖLN AND I HAVE CHALLENGED THOUSANDS OF THOSE WHO ARE PERSECUTING THE WORK OF GOD TO COME OUT TO DOM TRAIN STATION TO COME AND SHOW THE POWER OF THE GOD THEY KNOW. PLEASE, WE DO NOT WANT THE FAILURES WHO HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER HUMANITY TO SAY ANYTHING TO THE REVIVAL OF THE BELIEVERS. MANY BELIEVERS HAVE BEEN SLEEPING NOW GOD IN HIS INFINITE MERCY IS TALKING TO US SAYING ARISE AND HE IS USING HUMAN BEING LIKE YOU AND ME AS A MOTIVATIVE FACTOR ,THEN IF THE PERSECUTORS AND ANY OF THEIR FAMILY ARE NOT ENJOYING THE GIFT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT THEN, THEY SHOULD PRAY HARD FOR THAT RATHER THAN THEIR SARCASTIC STATEMENT EVERY WHERE:ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
OPEN QUESTION TO ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER BUT PERSECUTION AND SARCASTIC TALK.IF THE GOD THEY KNOW COME NOW IN HUMAN FORM IN THIS OUR GENERATION WHAT DO THEY EXPECT THE BELIEVERS TO SEE AND TO RECEIVE.
Akinwande
It is writtten:
Matthew 24:27
For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matthew 24:23-26
Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.’
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Matthew 24:30-31
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Matthew 24:37-41
But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Luke 17:28-30
Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
2 Thessalonians 1:7-8
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Acts 1:9-11
And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Revelation 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Psalm 50:3-4
Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him. He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people.
Hebrews 12:26
Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven
Revelation 19:11-14
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Ok, so as we can clearly see, TB Joshua IS NOT JESUS CHRIST the SON of GOD
Bola
[quote] If he is not a man of God, he will fail. But if he is from God, there is Nothing you can do to stop the work of God through him. [End of quote]
Gamaliel Alert
So by using this great insight of yours (and Gamaliel in the bible) we can deduce that Islam has succeeded because God is behind it? Right…
Uh, dude…sorry, that is not the biblical standard.
There was a ‘booklet’ found/excavated from one of the early churches in Asia Minor. It is not scripture, simply a simple one page-ish instruction on church administration. Nothing mind blowing, just reiterating scripture.
What is devastatingly interesting is the section on how to ‘spot a false prophet in the church’
You would expect a 10 page thesis and exposition to come after that. No, the answer – wait for it, it’s so simple – ‘if he asks the congregation for money’.
Makes you think.
Michael
>> You would expect a 10 page thesis and exposition to come after that. No, the answer – wait for it, it’s so simple – ‘if he asks the congregation for money’.
Oh yes, I read that a year ago. I laughed. But yet they will hand their cash over because they think that money can buy salvation. Like the time Simon Magus tried to buy the gifts of the Holy Spirit from Peter so he could go and sell it to others. Acts 8.
O’Ohhhh….well now….that verse just closed down every Profit out there running a Simony church.
I think performing miracles alone is not a sign that a minister is a true servant of God. My concern is that T. B. Joshua’s prophecies has to do mostly with carnal secular and not spiritual things. I prefere a preacher that talks about Holiness, Sanctification, Readiness for Christ’s return to the miracle worker who focuses so much on miracles. He prophesized the death of Jackson and the Victory of Ghan team, how is that related to salvation and making heaven which is the ultimate? though i dont know much about the man,i believe most of the negative things they are saying about him, especially looking at the carnal fleshly things that forms the hub of his prophecies. Are we saying that all the preachers writing against him are wrong? How about the confessions of his former close associates. let us not be decieved by miracles and philantropy.
Akaazua Hanmaikyur
Akaazua Hanmaikyur
Exactly, miracles (false or even true ones) do not bring about salvation and repentance of sin.
Prophet TB Joshua,
I have watched him teach and preach and conduct healing services.
A wonderful servant of God indeed. He gives glory to God fro everything.
I love this man.
Why judge him before the time?
Before his master he stands or falls.
To prophet TB Joshua, continue the good work until the day of Christ. I love you brother.
Me I would love to meet him and get a double portion of his spirit.
My brother they called Jesus “Beelzebub” – the king of demons.
You will not be greater than Jesus- your teacher!!
Jesus Himself says, if they have believe me they will believe you, if they have rejected me they will reject you..
In Matthew it says, …men shall persecute you and shall say all manner of evil against you, Rejoice and be exceeding glad for so persecuted they the prophets that were before you…
Profeet TB Joshua
Ek is van Suid Afrika gereeld kyk Imanneul TV en sien hoe
God waarlik deur u oppereer ek luister na u leringe en dit
is eg bybels gesproke.
Dankie vir dit wat ek van u leer dit stig en bou my ook ontdek
ek by my self die geestelike groei.
U is n ware man van God my wense is om eendag ook u hand te skud.
Pastoor Christiaan George
Bybels gesproke? That will be the day. And if you read the article you would have noticed the article is AGAINST TB Joshua. This is not TB Joshua’s website. TB Joshua does not read this website. No wonder you are deceived.
Pastor Christiaan George wrote:
Wow Ek is bly jy is nie my Pastoor nie. As n pastoor behoort jy te weet van alle mense TBJ is n valse profeet wat mense verlei met sy vals predikings. aaaai jaaaai jaaaai
As TBJ se leeringe eg Bybels is eet ek my hoed op. Genade ek kan nie glo wat ek sien van n pastoor af nie.
Ek laat die oordeel oor aan Jesus Christus oor TB Joshua want want ons manier van dink is nie altyd soos God dink nie. Kom ons bid dat die here Hom sal hou op die regte pad en dat God hom n gees van onderskeiding sal gee.
Magda
Do you have a Bible? In the Bible God tells us exactly how He thinks and wants us to behave. TB Joshua does the exact opposite to what God outlines for us in HIS WORD.
DEBORAH .(DISCERNING THE WORLD).THERE IS NO DEVIL KNOWN BUT YOURSELF.PLEASE REPENT.
Shawna
I do believe you need Jesus Christ in your life, please go read this:
judge not and u will not be judged every one criticizing T B Joshua may be doing worse than ur accusation.I don’t know what power he uses but he practice practical Christianity beside he is a good teacher.as a critic what are u doing for the lord, judging?.every mans work will be tried by fire will yours survive it old boys every body is on his own as time will tell.as we pray for each others remain blessed
dogo
You know, if TB joshua was really a prophet I would be scared, but I am not scared because he is not a prophet. TB Joshua is a witchdoctor who wields some terrible occult power, but FORTUNATELY the Bible tell us not to even worry about men like this, ignore them and their blinded followers.
Everyone has said what he has to say,however, criticism, hatred, and judgmental mind are not from GOD.
How many pastors and evangelist that only ask for money and more money ; never ever help or reconcil people; all their now is money; preaching the oppression instead of the opressor, only asked for money and sell books or DVD, to make themselves rich and buy cars and houses, without caring for poor and widows, etc.
Before you say anything wrong about the Anointed and humble servant of GOD, Prophet TB joshua, ask yoursel a question to know; how many people have ever help? financially, spritually, etc.( most of you cannot even do a simple delivrance); how many widows have looked after?
if your answer is no; then keep quite, because the wrath of GOD will be upon you and you family for four generations.
If TB joshua is not from God, then you can prove to us that you are really from God, not by your long Speech, but by your actions.
God will always increase the man of God, and if you opened your church for business purposes; you will defenetly going to close down as you can see Tb Joshua, do not ask for money but give it away and he beleive really that Gold and silver belong to Jesus.
Leave him alone! you buch of looser and fake as you are really fake and go and read your bible carefully before criticism.
Pastor Allan kalau
Pastor Allan Lalau
>> Leave him alone! you buch of looser
LOL, that’s a new one.
Well, I can’t claim to understand everything that is written above. But one thing I do know – my faith in Christ has skyrocketed and my life has changed for the better since I started watching T.B. Joshua’s ministry on Emmanuel TV.
And I have since heard countless people whose testimonies echo the same truth.
Well, God is the ultimate judge.
Emmanuel TV Fan
>> my faith in Christ has skyrocketed and my life has changed for the better since I started watching T.B. Joshua’s ministry on Emmanuel TV.
So your faith is actually reliant on TB Joshau – without him you faith in Christ is nothing. Hmm.
Good article. This man is a false prophet. An appearence of “sincere” could be part of the “angel of light” ruse. The scriptures make it clear that there are false teachers and false prophets that are evil men and seducers, this is not somebody simply decieved but rather there are those who’s goal it is to decieve others. There are those who are themselves decieved however, and pass along their deception to others.
Money is not the only reason behind these false teachers but pride and influence, self-seeking. Pride and money , it will always be at the bottom of these false teachers. Satn said “…I will ascend…..” Yes, look how pompous these false teachers are! Their false humility is barely a thin veneer. Some can’t even manage that anymore. False doctrine can never sanctify, that is why.
Pastor Allen , you do not know the scriptures at all. You have misused them in your post. The scriptures are all of one cloth, they all fit together. joshuas practices must be based in scripture in order for him to qualify as doing Gods work, God never goes against His Word, He has exalted It above His Name! And remember , the pharisees gave money to “help” others, they did their “good” works as well. What was most important to them above all else? Their position and influence over the people!Pride! In all that they did and in what they taught, they constantly added to the Word of God and twisted it for their own gain. Angel of light Pastor Allen, pure and simple. Judge ALL things by the Word of God.
We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place….
Always the Word over experience, over feelings, over thoughts, over impressions ect., the Word trumps all. It is by the Word that we cast down EVERY THOUGHT and IMAGINATION that rises up against THE KNOWLEDGE of GOD
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ 2nd Cor. 10:5
The scriptures dictate what is truth, not our own opinions of a person or even our own experience. We open ourselves to all manner of deception when we do not place Gods Word in preeminence above all. And in the doing of this , the scriptures are not of any private interpretation, they mean what they mean and it behooves all of us to study and find out what they mean. They do not mean one thing to me , another to you and another to somebody else! Why worry about rightly dividing the Word of Truth if that was the case? There would be no wrong interpretation! No, no, no, they mean what they mean and we need to study to find that out.
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
2 Peter 1:19-21 (KJV)
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; 18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
2 Tim 2:15-18 (KJV)
Remember as well that the Pharoahs magicians did what they did but that did not make them of the Truth. Paul said that if an angel from heaven preached another gospel , let him be accursed. If you would fall for the antics of Joshua, what in the world would you do if an angel from heaven came and spoke to you?? And it did not line up with Gods Word??? I think i already know the answer, want you to think about it Pastor Allen.
T B Joshua is a true man of god.Jesus himself said in John 14:12 “He that believeth on me,the works that i do shall he do also and greater works than these shall he do”.Our lord Jesus cast out demons and healed all kind of deceases and raised the dead people So is TB joshua.The greater works than Jesus like healing the cancers and ulcers without touching them in the name of Jesus Christ.Jesus is same for Yesterday,Today and forever and he is the head of the church and we are body of Jesus.So Jesus works with his body(church) in these days.Jesus wants to heal and to save and to give abundant life on this earth and take to heaven afterwards.The devil wants to kill,steal and destroy people.So Prophet TB Joshua,even you,I and everyone who accepts Jesus and gets baptized in the Holy spirit can stop satan from killing,stealing and destroying people.You stop doubting Joshua and try to know the depth of the scriptures.
Hey Deborah,You don’t know the depth of word of god.If TB Joshua is witchdoctor he wants to do harm to people.Because as Jesus said,a devil cannot cast another devil,if they do so, their kingdom will be destroyed.The devil wants to kill,steal and destroy people not god.The same was happened in Jesus time that Israeli people told jesus that he was casting away demons with the help of Beelzebub.You should grow in the wisdom of god.
Karunakar comments…
17 March, 2011 at 8:42 pm
Karunaker sadly it is you who does not know or understand the scriptures.
Mother Theresa, Dai Lama, Budha,Mohammed, Gandhi and many others all did “good works” and were benevolent…yet were on the wrong track as far as Christ’s saving doctrine is concerned.
2Cor:11-14.And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!
Karunakar,
How do you know that TB Joshua is casting out demons and healing cancer ect.? Because he puts on a show of doing so? Because he says that he is? Alot of the false teachers make these claims! They can not be verified, not a single one!! God authenticated His Word by signs following in the early church, and can do so again IF He chooses to do so , but He WILL NEVER authenticate a false teacher!!! Not ever. So what you think you are seeing is 1) a hoax 2)peoples overactive imagination who WANT to believe Joshua at ALL cost.
Look up online and do some reading from other sources as well, you will not and i repeat , will not find any verifiable “miracle” from these false teachers! Look at Hinn for instance, why doesn’t he go empty a hospital? He has all this “gift” of healing! When jesus and the Apostles healed, there was no question! Have you personally seen a blind person recieve sight? If Joshua does all that you say, why not?
The scripture is being misused.These false teachers are very convincing, especially if you do not know the Word. Which we all start from that place.
Here are a few links to read up on
http://www.letusreason.org/Biblexp107.htm
http://cicministry.org/commentary/issue65.htm
http://www.gty.org/Resources/Sermons/1545_Jesus-Is-God?q=greater+works+than+these
John 14:12 is completely misquoted out of context by false teachers that appoint themselves as healers,prophets, apostles and messengers of God.
Here is an article written by Tom Schreiner that I believe is a thorough and well researched biblical explanation and helps clear up this false teaching.
THE GREATER WORKS IN JOHN 14:12
Tom Schreiner
What does Jesus mean in John 14:12 when he says, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the one who
believes in me the works I do shall he do also, and greater than these shall he do, because I go to
the Father”? Before I suggest an interpretation a few comments will be made about the context.
In verse 12 itself the promise cannot be limited to the apostles, for Jesus says that anyone who
believes will do greater works. In the wider context of John 14 Jesus’ main purpose has been to
assure his disciples that his absence from them will be even better than his personal presence. He
is going to prepare a place for them so that they can be with him forever (John 14:3-4), and an
eternal future with Jesus can only be secured by his atoning death. The cross is the means by
which Jesus prepares a place for his disciples. Verse 12 on “greater works” is another assurance
that Jesus’ absence will actually be beneficial for those who believe in him. In verses 13-14 Jesus
promises in his absence to answer prayers uttered in his name, and verses 15-17 promise the
Spirit to those who obey Jesus’ commandments. Thus, in Jesus’ absence the disciples will do
greater works, their prayers in Jesus’ name will be answered, and they will have the power of the
Holy Spirit. And one day Jesus will return to take believers home. I think the greater works
Jesus has in mind are not greater miracles in terms of signs and wonders. Instead, the greater
works done by those who believe in Jesus refer to the work of the Spirit in people’s hearts, a
work of the Spirit that has greater dimensions now that Jesus has ascended to the Father. Four
arguments support this interpretation.
1. The “greater works” cannot refer to signs and wonders that are greater in quality than those
done by Jesus because no believer ever has or ever will do greater miracles than Jesus. He
raised the dead, opened the eyes of the blind, restored hearing to the deaf, cast out demons,
healed the lame, calmed a stormy sea, etc. No miracle-worker has even come close since the
days of the apostles, and even the apostles did not do any signs and wonders that were greater.
2. But perhaps John means that believers will do greater works in the sense that we will do more
signs and wonders than Jesus? But the Greek word for “greater” used here does not refer to a
greater number of works. If John wanted to refer to a greater number of works, he probably
would have used the Greek word polla meaning “more.” A careful study of the word “greater”
(meizn) in John’s gospel shows that the word consistently refers to something that is greater in
quality rather than something that is greater in number. For example, in John 19:11 Jesus says to
Pilate “he who delivered me up to you has the greater sin.” In other words, Judas’ sin is a more
serious sin (not greater in number!) Than Pilate because he actually betrayed Jesus.
Some other examples:
John 4:12 “Are you greater than Jacob?” This obviously means greater in quality, and the idea
of greater in number doesn’t make any sense.
5:36 “I have a testimony greater than John.” The testimony is not greater in number, but greater
in quality, for the superior testimony comes from the Father.
John 8:53 “Are you greater than Abraham?”
John 10:29 “The Father is greater than all.”
John 13:16 “The servant is not greater than his master.”
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John 14:28 “The Father is greater than I.”
The most significant example is from John 5:20 where Jesus says, “And greater works than these
he (the Father) shall show to him (Jesus) that you may marvel.” This verse is very close to John
14:12 because in both verses Jesus speaks of “greater works.” Jesus is contrasting here his
healing of the lame man on the Sabbath (John 5:1-16) with the greater works that he would do in
the future. The greater works in the context appear to the communication of spiritual life
(John 5:21,24-25), the judgment of all (5:22), and the future resurrection from the dead (John
5:29). The point here is not that these works are greater in number, but they are qualitatively
superior to the healing of a man who was lame. These works are superior because they will last
forever, while the lame man got sick again and died.
To conclude this second point: the greater works do not mean believers will do more works than
Jesus, but that they will do works qualitatively better than those Jesus did in his ministry.
These better works are due to the outpouring of the Spirit after Jesus’ ascension. [Note:
Incidentally, there is no evidence from church history that any believer did more miracles than
Jesus anyway, and this verse is not limited to those who have the gift of healing; it refers to all
believers.]
3. The word “works” in John’s gospel in some contexts clearly includes Jesus’ miracles (John
7:3, 21; 9:4; 10:25,32,33,37,38). But even though the word often includes the idea of miracles,
the word “works” cannot be limited to signs and wonders in John’s gospel. For example, John
6:28-29 identifies the “work of God” as “believing in the one whom the Father sent.” And in
John 8:39 Jesus exhorts the Jews to “do the works of Abraham,” and there is no record of
Abraham doing miracles, and so Jesus must mean, “do the good deeds of Abraham.” John 14:10
is especially interesting, for their Jesus says, “The words which I speak to you I do not speak
From myself, but the Father abiding in me does his works.” Here the “words” of Jesus in the
first part of the verse are defined as his “works” in the latter part of the verse. Thus, we have
clear
Evidence in the near context (compare also verse 11) that the word “works” should not be
restricted to signs and wonders. Indeed, when John wants to speak of miracles, he consistently
uses the word “sign.” “Sign” is the unambiguous word John uses to describe
Miracles, and the word “works” is a more general term, which may include miracles, but does not
necessarily focus on signs and wonders.
All of this suggests that the first part of verse 12 where Jesus says, “the one who believes in me
the works I do he shall do also” does not mean that believers will do miracles and signs and
Wonders to the same extent as Jesus. The word “works” is a general term, and thus Jesus is
simply saying that you will do works of the same quality as I did and more. It should also be
Noted that Jesus’ miraculous works were unique in the sense that such “signs” manifested his
unique glory from the Father (John 2:11), and John tells us that the signs Jesus did were
performed so that “you might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and in order that by
believing you might have life in his name” (John 20:30-31). Thus, Jesus’ miracles were in one
sense a unique manifestation of his glory and divinity. This is not to deny that miracles can be
done today. The point is that Jesus’ miracles were unique, and no one in church history or in the
Bible has ever matched Jesus in miraculous activity.
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4. The greater works, then, refer to the extended work of the Spirit, which will occur when Jesus
ascends to the Father. This is not to deny that the Spirit was active previously in significant
ways. But the work of the Spirit on earth was intensified with Jesus’ ascension. Note that Jesus
specifically says that “the greater works” will occur “because I go to the Father.” Going to the
Father, then, provides the reason or ground for the greater works. But why does Jesus’ going to
the Father make possible greater works? The rest of John’s gospel answers that question. In
John 16:7 Jesus says, “It is better for you that I go, for if I do not go, the paraclete will not come
to you, but if I go I will send him to you.” This fits beautifully with John 14:12. Jesus says that
it will be better if he goes because only when he goes will the Spirit be sent. And John 16:8-11
makes it clear that the Spirit when he comes will convict unbelievers of sin, righteousness,
and judgment. Such conviction of sinners is clearly another way of describing the “greater
works” which will occur after Jesus goes. Greater than any healing is the inclusion of one’s name
in the book of life. Jesus reminds his disciples of this when they are so excited about casting out
demons in Luke 10:20. “Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but
rejoice that your names are recorded in heaven.”
John 7:37-39 is another passage, which helps us understand why greater works will be done
when Jesus goes to the Father. In v 38 Jesus promises “rivers of living water will flow from the
belly of the one who believes in him.” I think Jesus is saying here that life-giving water will flow
from believers to satisfy the thirsty souls of others. The apostle John notes, however, that such
living water is to be identified as the Holy Spirit. V 39, “But this he said of the Spirit which
those who believed in him were about to receive, for the Spirit was not yet given because Jesus
was not yet glorified.” Why wasn’t the Spirit given to believers yet so they could satisfy the
thirsty souls of others? John says that it was because “Jesus was not yet
Glorified.” In other words, Jesus had not yet gone to the Father and accomplished his work on
the cross. He had not ascended to the right hand of God, and this outpouring of the Spirit would
only occur after he was glorified, after he had gone to the Father. Again, the “greater works” are
the works that are possible when the Spirit is poured out.
John 20:21-23 also confirms this interpretation. Their Jesus breathes the Spirit on the disciples,
which in a symbolic way anticipates Pentecost. When the Spirit comes, they will have the power
in the name of Jesus to forgive sins and to retain them. The greatest work of all is surely for sins
to be forgiven, and this verse hints that such a work was available to believers more extensively
after Jesus had given his life for sinners and ascended to the right hand of God.
The book of acts supports the interpretation that “the greater works” are possible after the
outpouring of the Spirit as well. The Holy Spirit is not poured out until after Jesus has ascended.
Note how Luke emphasizes Jesus’ ascension in Acts 1:9-11 as a prelude to the pouring out of the
Spirit in Acts 2. Also, Acts 2:33 specifically says that “after Jesus was exalted to the right hand
of God, he received the promise of the Holy Spirit, and poured out this which you both see and
hear.” Again a direct connection is made between Jesus’ ascension and the giving of the Spirit.
One final word: that greater works are done by believers after Jesus’ earthly ministry in no way
diminishes the ministry of Jesus, nor does it suggest our ministry is somehow better than
His! I have argued that the greater works refers to the work of the Spirit through believers in
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convicting unbelievers of their sin, and mediating forgiveness of sins in the name of the risen
Lord. But such work is not our work! It is the work of the risen Lord in us and through us. The
Lord Jesus Christ exalted and glorious works in concert with God the Father through the Holy
Spirit. He is the one doing the work, and He is worthy of all the glory!
To those who are condemning TB Joshua (servant of God). If you are true Christians, then you would not be doing what you are doing. Jesus Christ says, “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For the same way you judge others, you will be judge, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.” Please read the Matt 7:1-6. Jesus says in verse 6, “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.” Please ask the Holy Spirit to explain what the above passages mean if you do not know. What you are doing is exactly what the Pharisees did to our Lord Jesus Christ. They even called Him devil…
You would not have time condemning other fellow Christian brothers and sisters if you are truly busy saving souls (Great Commission.
I can tell you that I have studied the word of God just like you, and I know listening to the servant of God TB Joshua since God revealed him to me in a vision, he knows and love the word of God more than you and I put together. All you have to do is listen to his testimony and see/experience for YOURSELF what has is still doing in his life and his ministries. He live, breath, sleep, eat and everything of his life for God. Many Doctors of the Word around the world have visited SCOAN and appreciated his teachings. And the question why? Simply because they know he is not preaching the word of God, but preaching it with power. In Mark 12:24, “Jesus said to them, “Is this not the reason you are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God?’ In other words, just like in the days of Jesus Christ. He always preached, teached then followed with healings and deliverance etc…
Then just before He assended to heaven, this was what He said to you and I in John 14:12, “Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.” So this statement truth clearly tells us tha you and I can do what TB Joshua is doing if we stop condemning people have the heart of love like TB Joshua. Everything that comes out of his mouth is God, Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ, Holy spirit,……. Jesus Christ! Remember Apostle Paul and the sons of Sceva? It means Light and darkness don’t have anything in common. Apostle Paul casted out the demon in Jesus Christ’s name, and the sons of Sceva tried it in the name of Jesus and the Bible says they were beaten badly they ended up running outside naked. You can not fake the name of Jesus Christ.
Please for your sake, stop condeming people and focus on saving souls, in Jesus Christ. Blessings from New Zealand
discerning the world. I have read the articles from both sides. TB Joshua site is certainly more convincing.
At least you don’t even know him, you have just heard of it and then said that it was true. That’s just wrong.
Where is the interview that said he is a vegetarian? At least a link please? Just a “letter” written by a random guy said so make it a truth? That’s sad.
And the video of the “blood of jesus”? Link please? No video? Then stop making false statement.
Reading your post I notice that you’re a “Chritian” probably of CoC which doesn’t even believe in miracle. That’s ok. But don’t try to make false statement without any proof.
Every statement TB joshua official web makes, they try their best to include a link, a picture or anything that can be proof.
The Bible told us to see if a prophecy comes true to know if one is really a prophet. Then why do you search other kind of fake infos? Just seek for his prophecies and point out which one is a fake one. Then we shall know. But you never will do that. Because people like you will never really go and do researches of your own. You are told to do what you would do and you are used to believe what you are first told. Right?
What a stupid world. And many noobs also.
To Bethuel, I had a friend who went to see TB Joshua with her church group. She had cancer and her pastor suggested that she goes. She lived and walked very closely to Jesus Christ. Well, Bethuel she came back and wrote the church a letter WARNING THEM about this man and I tell you that before I believed any preacher or any so called prophet I would have believed my friend. She cried many many days to a point where she locked herself up because she could not bear the thought of those many hundreds/thousands people being misled by this man. So be careful and rather search the Scriptures and pray that the Holy Spirit will open your spiritual eyes to see truth and nothing but the truth.
You are right Fai with… “World full of noobs”.
That is why it is so easy for the world to be fooled by false preachers like TB.
I truely thing that Prophet T.B Josua is a true men of God and i believe in him,the bible clearly tells us that “touch not my annointing and do my prophets no harm….people start knowing the truth and the truth shall set as free and start learning and believing that hell is real and it exist if u thing is a joke to play with God,fine if some of u things he is a false prophet,but pray then that he get exposed soon before many belives in him,stop judging and let GOD himself Gudge…..that men is a gift to some of us,the bible says that those who have eyes let them see and those who have ears let them hear….so i do!
To Hester and again to all who are condemning God’s servant TB Joshua. With all due respect, all I can say by reading your comments you don’t even know the word of God period. If you read and meditate on the Word of God and ask the Holy Spirit to shine the light of God upon you, then you would not be talking and carrying on like that. I guarantee that all of you put together who are complaining and condenming the servant of God TB Joshua, have not even done any acts of love or kindness let alone anything to the level this man has done with the poor, widows, fatherless, physically challenged and many others. Remember the Word of God in James 1:27, which in fact if you understand it is the standard to measure yourself if you are a true believer. Let me write for you, “Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit and look after orphans and widows in their distress…” Jeremiah 22:16, To truly know me, declares the Lord, is to defend the cause of the poor and needy…” This is what Jesus Christ meant, “…that they may see and know you by your deeds….” In other words, we can blabble on and on and on that we are believers and have faith to move mountains until we are blue in the face, but if no DEEDS to back up your faith, according to our Lord, you are speaking to the air and deceiving your self. Well I hope that before you condemned this servant of God, you would have studied and watched what he is doing to this very day, doing exactly what the Word of God says, helping the poor, the needy, the helpless the physically challenged, the fatherless and THOUSAND OTHERS…
So, my question for you who are quick to judge, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE???
And for you Hester my brother in the Lord, Jesus Christ tells us that His Word must abides in us and we abide in His Word, as God also told the children of Israel in Joshus 1, to read and meditate on His law day and night… Why? Because not only for our good, but also so that you will know for sure and not be deceived or be surprised when things happen or don’t happen. You mentioned about the lady with a cancer who went to SCOAN to TB Joshua but did not get healed… As I said before with all due respect, if you know the Word of God, you would not be talking like that.
The manner in which God executes His will, purpose and plan in our lives differs, and it is up to God not TB Joshua to heal or not to heal. In Proverbs 21:19 says, “Many are the plans in a mans heart but it is the Lord’s purpose that will prevail.” In other words, God Almighty will act or not act as He chooses….amen amen amen… 2 Corinthians 12:9 tells us Apostle Paul prayed three times to God to remove a thorn in his flesh, and God said, “My grace is sufficient for you and my power is made perfect in weaknesses.” In other words, God did answer His prayer by not taking that thorn away for a reason, ‘to him humble…’
I never heard TB Joshua claim it was his power that are healing and setting people free. In fact this servant of God TB Joshua love the Lord so much that every word that comes out of his mouth EVERYDAY is God God God… Lord Jesus… Jesus Jesus..Holy Spirit…
Even if he is not the person he makes it out to be, if you are BELIEVER then Jesus Christ’s Word and commandment of God for us is crystal clear, “Do NOT JUDGE OR YOU WILL JUDGED…THE MEASURE YOU USE WILL BE MEASURED BACK TO YOU… So, please remember, God is the only JUDGE, and we were never given the mandate to judge…. amen.
If we are true Christians and we have plenty of free times to condemn and say bad things about our fellow Christian brothers and sisters, then I suggest perhaps we should use those times WISELY by helping the fatherless, widows and others JUST LIKE what this Man of God TB Joshua is doing, and fulfiling God’s great commission…. preaching the good news to the ends of the earth for the salvation of souls…
I pray that God will enlighten you with His Word so that we no longer walk in darkness but in the light of God which is Jesus Christ the Almighty King.
Blessings from Auckland,New Zealand.
I’m not surprised to hear people claiming that the Prophet is not from God. That’s what exactly the Bible says. Those of this world will not acknowledge Christ Jesus so likewise to His anointed servant Prophet TB Joshua. I argue the believers to dwell in the word of God and honour God and His sent servants. We should not extol Satan to that extent as if God is tired and old. Remember, Jesus said that; “Whomever believes in me, the works I do he shall also do them and more than I do” The wonders and miracles at the SCOAN are just the fulfilment of the prophecy.
God bless you prophet TB Joshua and He may give you more anointing and wisdom.
I have never ever seen or heard of anyone in my ex church being cured of cancer. Even though thousands prayed for one particular person, he still died. Who does this Joshua think he is preying on the weakness of people to gather riches. Just like Benny Hinn. Show me one person still healed after the euphoria has worn off. Then i might believe.
Debs…I posted a comment but it never registered??
Jer.1:5 is strickly for Prophet Jeremiah you cannot claim it as your own you will be out of context. I am wondering how come T.B Joshua appoint some of his staff to be a prophet? Is he God to do that? Another thing,Mr Bola…the reason why Apostle Paul writes that women should be silent in the church because if you are going to see it culturally and traditionally in those times, women are not allowed to speak in public forum (Greek & Roman Culture). In Jewish traditions, it is only the men who has proper traing and schooling because it is only the men are allowed to enter synagogue.That is why in the Deut.6:7-9 says that trainings should be done at home. What Apostle Paul is trying to point out is to avoid embarassment in the side of the fathers and husbands when the wives is asking about doctrine and about faith in the public and they fail to answer correctly.The husbands or fathers resposibility is to teach the family at home and wives should ask their husband only at home to save face.I used the word “wives” because Paul is referring to the wives in his letters to the Corinthians not the word “women” It would totally contradict if Paul is referring to the women because God is not respecter of persons.
Bola wrote:
To Bethuel: when you say that “Even if he is not the person he makes it out to be” does it mean that we should swallow everything and we should not make right discernment? The word of God says,”we should be wise as a serpent and humble as dove” Everytime Apostle Paul preach the gospel the Bereans search the scriptures themselves to check whether Paul was inline with the word of God and Paul commend those Berean believers because of their practice and that they will not be easily swayed by strange gospel.
Bethuel wrote:
T.B Joshua is NOT from God.An investigative reporter in Nigeria that questioned Joshua’s dubious spiritual antecedents was FIRED from his job. the chap died three years ago. Tunde Bakare and Chris Okotie got ROASTED verbally and in print ten years ago when they pointed out the link between Joshua and Oyakhilome Chris, WARNING the church about those two. Just thought I should share this.*grin*
Me and my mother went to a church once where they showed a video
Of tb joshua. Me and my mother are very sensitive spiritually and my
Mother especially is a person that would never critisize men of God.
We both looked at each other with shock and her look said everything.
I’ll say it clearly: I don’t dicern the Holy spirit in this man Tb joshua.
I’ve come from an occultic background with my father that was involved in
Occult and I’m sensitive to that sort of thing. Tb joshua makes me feel
Like I’m in the presence of demons, not Jesus. You cannot be born again
When you are still in your mothers womb. That’s nonsense. The pentecostal
Church network in nigeria has rejected any connection with joshua. Joshua
In my opinion is an occultist. Also the bible said God made all food to be
Enjoyed if it is received with thanks giving. The dude is false and I’d chase him
Away if he ever got close to me unless God commisioned me to deliver him.
In the occult a person can do many miracles, even raise the dead.
TB JOSHUA TB JOSHUA!!! lord whts wrong with humanity? Please shed light on this topic thats going to tear us apart. Do not judge and u will not be judged. Stop accusing and start to do better things with your time. god bless and safe us all.
Just reading Bill Randles (and other Apologists) Biblical critique on TB Joshua, is enough to show the reader (with plain common sense) that TB Joshua is a false teacher/prophet. We sometimes tune into his channel and it’s unnerving to watch how a church service is turned into a spectacle. Sadly the Holy Spirit is now credited for all these disorderly services/behaviours. A wicked generation seeks after a sign. The latter has now replaced the Bible and sound Gospel teaching. The cross is indeed FOOLISHNESS to those who perish. I weep for all these new converts today; begging the question: under what “gospel” did they get “saved”. Readers, it’s simple. The Bible is the final authority and if these preachers preach something contrary to the Word, they’re false and we need to turn from such. Their sincerity means zero at the end of the day; it’s all about TRUTH. Stay blessed.
“Pastoor” George. Dit blyk as of die storie tog waar kan wees…die ou op die dorp of in die stad wat nie werk kan kry as ‘n klerk of ‘n “spietkop” nie, word of deur homself of deur ander blindes aangestel as ‘n “Pastoor”. Slegs sulke “Pastore” stem saam met die res van die wereld se profete en sienrs en sulke derglikke dinge wat teenstrydig is met God se Woord. Hoe kan jy voorstel of selfs glo dat iemand soos TB Joshua ‘n profeet van God is? Hoe kry jy7 dit reg? Is jy werklik so mislei dat jy nerens in jou Bybel die waarheid raaksien nie? Ek bid vir jou ook… en vir jou “gemeente”.
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I don’t have time to answer to all the posts but i must say i take strong pity on the supporters of tb joshua. Why do you take scrutiny of tb joshua so personal. He is in public domain. He has to be scrutinised. More so that he targets a constituency of Jesus Christ. Those who doubt tb joshua have provided proof of his questionableness. what do you who support him have to show? I have people who used up their savings to meet tb joshua from my country.
i have not received a favourable report from any. some have even started looking elsewhere for solution. others are dead. a minister died coming back from seeing tb joshua. i watched tb joshua every sunday. I listen to startling pronouncements from tb joshua. he speaks in a way that people who have not read the bible like you are disarmed. and you stand in fanatical awe of him.
He has ‘predicted’ football matches and deaths. none of these can edify God’s church. Jesus is not a God of football and death! During a service to “john evans atta mills” tb joshua declared that his death is to honour and glory.meaning JEAM had passed to glory. to those of you who are fanatics of tb joshua and have no respect for the word of God this is ok. but i tell you that this is blasphemous. it makes tb joshua a judge. it makes him equal with jesus christ.
I have witnessed old men and women being told to bare their private parts just so that people can see their problem and after they have been healed. Again to you this is a light thing!the commandment of the Lord says honor your father and mother and tb joshua is not exempt.if he is then he is not of God of israel!
i am on [email address removed]. if you need to share with me your knowledge of God, i am available.
TB JOSHUA is anointed beyond morden understanding. Word says greater miracles than those of jesus shall be witnessed in the later days!!!if u cant do it, please be humble and learn it.God will open your eyes…and probably use u much more in a different way too!!!Repent man of God!!!
TB Joshua is a man of God.Some people hate to see a black person coming first in the world.God chose TB Joshua and God does things at his own time and in his own way.Some western pastors fear black religious people because they can’t comprehend a world with a flexible God.
George
TB Joshua is a witchdoctor perading under the banner of Christianity
Christians do not look at the colour of a person, I do not care that TB Joshua is black, the fact is there are a million FALSE TEACHERS out in the world who are WHITE.
Some western pastors do not fear religious black people, they call them out as FALSE TEACHERS / WITCH-DOCTORS. We have nothing to fear, we do not fear Satan, because Jesus Christ CONQUERED him at the cross.
TB JOSHUA’s god is Satan who is flexible and produces healings that appear real but they are not, they are DEMONIC.
Profit TB Joshua is currently under scrutiny for possibly aiding in death of Atta Mills by giving him some “holy” water.His current net worth is about US$20 million.That says a lot!He is now giving away to thousands of this unholy water that supposedly substitute the blood of Christ.
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People were commented like devils, believers should have some spiritual knowledge, then only we can justify the miracles . So far some denominations not accepted anointment of holy spirit,and gifts of the Holy spirit, so these people when watch these miracles, automatically they will become Mad so they comment 1000 comments against the Miracles .Lord God using prophet TB Joshua mightily .So you please go to S C O A N and watch miracles directly with your own eyes .
1cori 2:14- But the natural man receiveth not the things of the spirit of GOD:
John 14:12- Jesus said – Verily verily I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do;(kjv)…
david vinod meripo
It is very dangerous to follow false prophets.
When Jesus left the earth,HE make a statement says,greater things we will do in His Name so what does that means?even Jesus was condenm,abused,insulted because of unusual miracle HE does when HE was on earth,so talking about prophet T B Joshua miracles he does in the name of God is a proof of been a true man of God that people must talk of him because of unsual miracles they see him does,so if they could talked about the Son of God that is using another power(evil power)then how much more prophet T B Joshua,so people must say something wrongly about the true man of God,so keep saying is one of the greatest benefit to people of God because the are not of this world even they are in the world, so the world will not like them.
kufre Akpan,
What is greater than curing the sick, restoring the sight of the blind and the hearing of the deaf? What is greater than raising the dead to life? What is greater? You don’t seem to know the answer, so let me help you. Presenting the Gospel to the lost and winning souls for Christ is far greater than raising the dead. TB Joshua is not preaching the Gospel. He is preaching a false gospel, following a false Jesus and doing his so-called miracles through a false spirit. So, the best thing you can do is to stop following TB Joshua and repent of your evil. Unless, of course, you also love it when you preach a false gospel, follow a false Jesus and a false spirit.
Honestly if you read mark chapter 13:7 ….u will notice it….see its about time we stop for using on prophecies…because all the prophecies…are just like the promises God gave in the Bible….we need to be very very care ….dont be received by signs and miracles…its just a matter of time…built a very good relationship with the holy spirit then ask for the gift to desend…God will definitely speak to you…before…for z not all who perform miracles and mention Jesus’ name is from GOD..
THANK YOU
Honestly if you read mark 13:7 downwards it tells you everything that will be happening concerning false prophets. We need to focus on the word of God and ask The Holy Spirit to interpret it. The question is what ever we do as Christians is it winning a soul for Christ?, is it pleasing to God?, or because you think it’s right so you draw a conclusion that it is from God. We are in the end time. It is even written in mark 13 that Gods own elect will be deceived because of signs and wonders being performed… Lets PRAY and WATCH. And STOP saying what you haven’t been directed by God to say
.. Lets all be careful.. Be observant and link every action of a man of God to the Bible. If it contrast, believe in HIS WORD ALONE
THANK YOU
FAITH HEALING IN SCOAN Nigeria VS MEDICAL HEALING
It is a well-known debate that Faith healing has being a controversial issue since the coming of modern scientific discovery and research on diseases and sickness. Many philosophers of science has always made the claims that religious belief and miracles belongs to history, science will replace religion, the modern man will no longer be interested in religious believes or spirituality. The time will come where they will never support the ideal or believed in anything like faith healing. The religious bodies on their own parts especially the Christians have always stood their ground on the existence of God and faith healing for them even though very few people have experienced any miracle in their churches. If the Priest’s heart is right with Jesus, then miracles happen. One real block to miracles is the scientific sterile approach to bible study. As a result, it becomes a mind game. One modern day church, Scoan, Nigeria has changed world views on God and His work through the Son God, Jesus Christ,
GOD is far greater than science after science is God; where science ends God starts.
Evidence shows that in the modern ministry of the church, the ministry of Tb Joshua, at Scoan, Nigeria who heals and delivers evil spirits by the power of Jesus Christ, have come to prove to the world that those scientists are wrong with their claims, the fact remains that there are a few great ministers of God around the world that are healing by the Power Of Jesus Christ.
But in the case of Tb Joshua’s ministry, the incredible healing and life restoration taking place there is so massive and mind-blowing. Terminal illness and disabilities are medically verified as healed. Medical science must be dumbfounded by the new reality especially now, that TB Joshua, Scoan, Nigeria have anointed five wise men and more are coming he said, which include female (wise women), to established an unmistakable fact that the future of the world lays in the hands of the church of God, and those speculations made by the founders and philosophers of science and medical science will not see the light of the day for God is the creation of heaven and earth including science.
Tb Joshua does say that “Doctors treat; God heals, God is the one that motivate doctors to treat, medicine is Nature”. Prophet TB Joshua does not just say it but has proven it all the time through the mind-blowing healing power of God in his life. The question is not, will medical scientist accept the easily verifiable facts of thousands of healed persons. Jesus don’t need scientific approval ! Let the healed speak for themselves.
Science Watch
TB Joshua is not a Christian. He is a witch doctor in Christian disguise. There is not a single example in Scripture where Jesus or his disciples used the same tactics TB Joshua uses to allegedly heal people.
Jesus never said that He came to the world to heal the sick every time someone prays for them. He said: “For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.” (Luk 19:10). Your focus is wrong, completely wrong.
It is a shame that many of the miracles Jesus did were not recorded. i am sure if he were in the synagogue today and spat on the ground and rubbed it on a blind man’s eyes to make him see, people will still persecute him. Lord have mercy on your church -John 20:30, John 21:25
xcyborg_Prophet
I find it amazing that you are so blind that you can’t tell a Roman Catholic church from a biblical church. You also can’t tell that TB Joshua is NOT Jesus Christ who is recorded in the Word of God…TB Joshua and his fake miracles will NEVER be recorded in the Bible. Lord have mercy on you and your SCOAN church.
Madam Deborah, The bible commands us not to judge one another.TB Joshua does not need to be Jesus to work miracles, He just needs to believe in Jesus.
Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto the Father.
I am not a SCOAN member, But I will not use the words you are using against TB.
1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. I am fighting the fight of faith and will not assume the position of condemning other until I have received my crown. On the lighter side how many people have you healed this year? How many dead have you raised this year? How many people have you brought smiles onto their faces this year? Is that not Christ’s command to believers? There is more you can do to help populate heaven than condemn others. If you think there is something wrong PRAY….
Dear xcyborg_Prophet
You said “The bible commands us not to judge one another.”
Well you judged me and condemn, and said that I would be one of those who would have persecuted Jesus Christ when he performed His miracles when Jesus Christ walked the earth. What a disgusting comment to make to a Christian. I think you should practice what you preach and not judge us for pointing out that TB Joshua is a witch doctor who follows Roman Catholic doctrine.
The bible is clear, it says you MUST TEST THE SPIRITS to see if they are from God…
1 John 4:1-3 1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
I have tested TB Joshua on many levels, and he is a false teacher, Satan’s minister of righteousness.
2 Corinthians 11:14-15 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works
TB Joshua will say to Jesus Christ one day that he did wondrous miracles in HIS NAME and the Bible says Jesus Christ will say to him…
Matthew 7:21-23 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
I pray that TB Joshua repents of his evil ways and is truly born again.
You said “On the lighter side how many people have you healed this year? How many dead have you raised this year? How many people have you brought smiles onto their faces this year? Is that not Christ’s command to believers?”
Let’s look at that verse shall we, this is what the bible says:
Mark 16:17-18 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Now, here’s a real funny one for you: How many serpents have you picked up lately, were bitten and did not die? How many deadly things did you drink and not die? As you said: Is that not Christ’s command to believers? And no, you are not allowed to milk the venom out of the snake or to pull the snakes teeth out.
Go on xcyborg_Prophet, obey Christ’s command. You have to be able to do all of that. Not just pick pieces of a verse out of the bible to make your ‘nonsense fables’ that false teachers are in fact ‘men/women of God’ sound true.
But since you can’t answer that, let me help you understand the whole of that verse, it’s very simple actually. (In fact I had to explain this to someone else just the other day so here is the comment see below:)
You said “How many people have you brought smiles onto their faces this year?”
Satan makes millions upon millions of people smile daily when he produces false miracles and makes people rich happy because of their own lusts and greed. Are you saying that Satan is now a Christian and obeying Christ’s command, because he makes people smile? When a Muslim smiles on his way to Mosque to worship Allah, are you implying that Islam is biblical and Christ’s command? Heaven forbid.
Satan tempted Jesus Christ, and said he will give Him all the riches in the world if he falls down and worships him, this is what happens to man daily and it puts a big smile on their face.
Matthew 4:9-10 9 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Xcyborg-prophet says…
“I am not a SCOAN member, But I will not use the words you are using against TB” – Why not? i am sure you could teach him a thing or two with your extended abilities?
cyborg
ˈsʌɪbɔːɡ/Submit
noun
a fictional or hypothetical person whose physical abilities are extended beyond normal human limitations by mechanical elements built into the body.
Judge not is the most oft misquoted verse in the Bible. People use it to hide their sinful lifestyles.
The Bible is clear and admonishes us to judge. NOT just judge but also to reprove, correct, rebuke and yes EXPOSE and eventually have NOTHING to do with them. It happens when we pay pastors and profits to read scripture to us instead of getting stuck in ourselves. We get stuck at Matt 7:1 and no further.
Thanks Robbie
xcyborg_Prophet has not returned… :waiting: These ‘judge not runaways’ are funny…
A ‘xcyborg’ is also artificial intelligence.
There’s no one who loved TBJ like did, I can’t explain….
For many years I introduced people to watch Emmanuel TV. I even helped lot of people install Emmanuel TV channel on DStv. I even tried to compare Tbj with other great Men of God.
The mistake I did, I never wanted to listen to critics about him. I thought people were lying against him because they got paid. But finally I started hearing critics from people who worked with him for 11 years and others 14 years and one of them was the second in command to tbj… But let’s say if they left the Scan and started exposing TBJ because of money, I don’t think there is anyone that could’ve offered them more money than TBJ
I used to refuse to refuse to listen until I myself started to conduct my own investigations.
I even prayed about it. God started to show me lot of things before the Scoan building collapsed and started to get many evidences. Many evidences is the secret similarities between the ministries of TBJ and other MINISTRIES that have already been exposed.
But during my time with God he showed me things and methods that not biblical. But God told me that he is going to expose the false prophets one after the other and some of them have been exposed already, some have been caught with live snakes in church service boss day light and some have been accused of raping lot of their church members severally for many years.
There are a lot of evidences although they wouldn’t accept To be defeated… What amazes me many believers don’t remember the words if Jesus in Matthew 7:21-24 and Matthew 24:24. False prophets can also do GREAT SIGNS and WONDERS to DECEIVE even the chosen.
People are impressed by fake humility and works of charity and reconciliation. All that cannot make anyone a genuine servant of God.
I believe in genuine miracles, signs and wonders. Since I was 14 to 24 years of age, God uses me and my friends to chase demons and heals the sick. It wasn’t a thing to boast about, there was phones, no camera, no media to impress people or to attract the crowd. Everything was done in humility for God’s glory, without disgracing anybody and embarrassing people for the sake of broadcasting testimonies. We never collected any money from anyone because God’s blessings are not for sale and we didn’t want to be called names if titles because we knew the glory belongs to God alone.
We were taught by the Spirit of God that God’s anointing cannot expire Or renewed though receiving of items. The style of Jesus in the Holy Ghost is to praying for people by either raising hands towards them or laying hand on them and speak the Word to command healing. It’s not about impressing people by doing physical gestures.
So people who don’t read the bible, they think everyone is from God.
I suggest you pray that God will visit you and save you from false pastors and fake prophets.
Dear PJ
In humility I would like to ask you this question based on something you said.
You said “The style of Jesus in the Holy Ghost is to praying for people by either raising hands towards them or laying hand on them and speak the Word to command healing”
Who are you commanding? The bible says we ‘ask’, no where does it say we ‘command’.
Jesus says John 14:13 “And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.”
G154 αἰτέω aiteo (ai-te’-ō) v. ask
1. to ask.
2. to request.
If, it’s His will…
1 John 5:14-15 14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: 15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.