T.B. Joshua – The Deceiver

Deborah (Discerning the World)

Discerning the World is an internet Discernment ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa that was founded by Deborah du Rand in 2008. Tom Lessing joined Deborah in May 2013. Tom Lessing founded the website “Waak en Bid/Watch and Pray” which was closed in 2013 and articles moved across to DTW.

61 Responses

  1. Discerning The World says:

    More on TB here:

  2. Adjoa says:

    First of all, I wish to declare that whatever statement I make now,I make it on nutral grounds.I take no sides for now.For my loyalty is to God and not to man.If indeed this interview, that has been analysed and commented upon, is true, and if those are truely the words of TB Joshua, then I will advise the prphet(?)not to grant any more public interviews. For his own name’s sake, he should refrain from granting interviews because in his own words, I personally see clearly arguments that are so unchristian and unacceptable according to the doctrine of Jesus Christ. I immediately feel ashamed of him when for instance he argues that he will not eat fish because he delivers people of marine spirits and so on.Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the author and finisher of our faith.He sent his disciples to go and heal the sick, raise the dead, deliver the demon possessed etc and yet, we see him roasting fish for them to eat just before he leaves them for his eternal glory. If the man of God(?)does not mind, can he clarify some of the funny and unchristian arguments he has put forward or henceforth refrain from granting any interviews.Also, is he sure he reads his Bible? is he sure it the spirit of God that is operating in him? Obviously, there is something missing in his Powerful(?) ministry.May God have mercy on us all.

  3. Adjoa says:

    May be those are not his own words.

  4. Discerning The World says:

    Abjao

    They are his own words….sorry. TB Joshua is no good. Now warn others so they are not deceived.

  5. cecilia says:

    on TB Joshua’s comment on the question if he claims to be Jesus Christ –
    > T.B. Joshua (a translation of ‘Jesus’) is addressed as Immanuel (“God with us”) in “The Synagogue”. In the first official video the song “Emmanuel, our God” is repeated over and over whilst the camera focuses on the healings. Whilst driving out a demon, Joshua asked the demon: “And who am I?” The demon answered: “You are Jesus, the Christ.” Joshua laughed and called others and said to them: “Hear what this demon says”. (Beeld Newspaper 02.05.01)
    TB Joshua did not deny the ‘claim’! cecilia

  6. cecilia says:

    D, isn’t it sad that so many “christian leaders” from South Africa rushed to “the synagogue” to “catch the anointing” or to “have the anointing imparted”. I shiver if I think what else they all were imparted with! cecilia

  7. Discerning The World says:

    C

    You know, it’s sad that there are many South Africans that rush off north to TB Joshua to get healings etc. What gets me even more is the massive deception in Africa as a whole towards TB Joshua. I can see why Africa is the 1st and easiest target for the NWO. There is such a mixture of religions mixed in with religions in Africa that when someone like TB comes along it fits in with their culture and the message appeals to their wicked ways. People only want signs and wonders, they don’t want to repent.

  8. ssm says:

    WHY ARE YOU GOOD IN CRICTISIZING THE CHRISTIAN

  9. cecilia says:

    ssm – i think it’s actually called “to critique”. or then back to the Bible :
    2 Timothy 4 – 2Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. 3For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
    Malachi 3:18 – Then shall you return and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him who serves God and him who does not serve Him.
    But this here that you’ve seen, is good and thorough research, discerning that which is not according to the Bible; and IS NOT to be confused with criticizing. ceclia

  10. E. Mugwira says:

    I have more questions than answers now after reading this post. I don’t what to qualify or nullify but to have answers as to what ‘spirit’ is behind the numerous criticism of “Man of God”.

  11. Elmarie A says:

    E. Mugwira
    TBJ is not a man of God and the Word can show you this.

    Do you know what it is to test all things to see whether they are from God or false spirits. Do you know that Satan can make one one blind unable to see the truth. Satan deceives people as an angel of light to make people think that what they think is true. The Bible also tells us that many false prophets will arise. Sorry but TB J has been tested by Biblical standards and is a false prophet. People like TBJ con the poor out of their hard earned money. I can still say so much about this false prophet but need we say more?

    If one have received the Holy Spirit as a gift from God as a born again christian, one is always lead to the truth and also convicted of sin. We must constantly pray that the truth prevails in ones life and ask for forgivnes of our sins daily, hourly and every minute. Discernment is important finding the truth and if one is led by the Holy Spirit truth always prevail. I Pray that you are doing this.

    1 Thessalonians 5:21
    But test and prove all things [until you can recognize] what is good; [to that] hold fast.

    Matthew 24:24
    For false Christs and false prophets will arise, and they will show great signs and wonders so as to deceive and lead astray, if possible, even the elect (God’s chosen ones).

    2 Corinthians 11:13-15 (New International Version)
    13For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

  12. Bennie says:

    Hi Guys, I think u all must be rather careful to say bad things about TB J. Dont judge him. Rather go there and see for youselfs. Kan u imgine how bad it would be for you if everything is true and u are talking bad about what God is doing in Nigeria… So if u think TB is fake rather say nothing.. In saying nothing u cant be doing anything wrong but if you talk bad and u are wromg it will be 2 your detriment.

    Rather pray for him .. that God can use him.

  13. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Bennie

    So you are happy that he uses witchcraft while using the name of God to heal the sick?

  14. BERNARD says:

    [BERNARD, STOP IT!! YOUR COMMENTS ARE BEING DELETED BECAUSE YOU ARE BLINDED BY WILLIAM BRANHAM – SEEK HELP AND THE ONLY ONE WHO WILL SAVE YOU IS JESUS CHRIST

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  17. why? says:

    and why was my comment deleted? or isit that u couldnt carry the load? anyway, i think this deborah is…………(wont say). and i’ve not seen an article on IPHC. that church whereby they call their leader “god”. or are you part of it[kidding]. anyway, its a family church just like the ZCC

    [EDITED BY DTW – I have not seen your comments until this one. I am gathering you are not a Christian based on what you want to call me. Please do note that all your comments will be deleted from now on.]

  18. Thembinkosi says:

    WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT TB JOSHUA IS A Man Of GOD!!!!

    Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.

    You`ve been WARNED.

  19. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Thembinkosi

    I’ve been warned? I think not.

  20. Burning Lamp says:

    That verse applies to those who are TRULY anointed and are NOT false prophets. Those defending false teachers like to drag this one out of context and misapply it. The New Testament tells us to EXPOSE false teachers and have nothing to do with them. Strange how people welcome delusion with open arms but treat truth to be avoided like the plague.

  21. Michael says:

    Bennie said…So if u think TB is fake rather say nothing.. In saying nothing u cant be doing anything wrong but if you talk bad and u are wromg it will be 2 your detriment.

    Really!… and be indifferent to the myriad of souls plummeting into eternal hell.In God’s terms indifference is the opposite of true agape love…if a man cannot understand this his heart is degenerate and is a clear indicator that He has never understood the message of the Cross and why the Lord Jesus Christ had to die for our sins.

  22. Robbie says:

    Bennie, Of course God can use TB Joshua.

    God used evil in many instances in the Bible… for His purpose…

  23. jeff says:

    [speaking in gibberish is not welcome]

  24. Kate Akele says:

    Is it now you guys know that T.B JOSHUA isn’t the real McCoy? i was wondering when you’d add him to the ‘avoid these pastors’ list!

  25. Baie dankie vir die openbaring en bevestiging! Ekt altyd getwyfel in die gees van Bennie Hinn & TB Joshua.
    Here, ek bid dat ons die Waarheid sal besef deur U genade, deur U kosbare Woord; lewe kan he en dit in oorvloed; outoriteit sal he sodat die duiwel sal ophou steel en vernietig. EK behoort aan U en wil my lewe oorgee aan U. U wat die heelal gemaak het vir U eie glorie, ook my gemaak het slegs vir U glorie. Help U my asb, ons het U nodig!
    Wat se voorreg is dit nie, gemaak vir die ewigheid, om ewige by Jesus te wees nie, God van liefde, maar ook ‘n God van wraak / roede, vir die wie Sy genade / HG verwerp.

  26. Robbie says:

    Nico,

    Presies soos jy se. Nou besef ons hoe belangrik dit is om by Sy voete te sit terwyl die hele wereld heen en weer hardloop agter enige mensgemaakte doktrine.

    Hou aan lees, hier is nog baie.

  27. Herman Badenhorst says:

    From the outset I must say there are some things that Prof. Gouws teaches that I disagree with for one the rapture. However this enlighting article about T.B. Joshua I greatly appreciate.

    For those that say you must go there and check him out for yourselves: Well my wife and I accompanied a pastor Edgar Phillips from Alberton to Lagos. We sat there for days on end watching videos about all the claimed miracles. We attended some of his meetings including the Sunday meetings and an end of the month meeting dedicated to “healings”.

    We saw numerous people throwing up and curling around like snakes BUT WE NEVER SAW ONE ACTUAL MIRACLE.

    I must concede that some healings may be of occultistic origin but I am inclined to believe most are just staged.

    The Lord bless you and keep you.

    Herman Badenhorst
    Glenvista, Johannesburg
    6\2\2012

  28. Nathan says:

    Its a fake interview, see the following interview to confirm-

    doveministries.com/catalog/tb-joshua/about-tb-joshua

    Shame on all that have attacked and condemned based on hearsay and slander, you allowed yourselves to be tools of Satan. The word says we must establish every truth.

    If further interest, view this investigation by the investigative body “The Religious Monitor”-

    http://www.doveministries.com/content/religous-monitor

    And here, a piece by a prominent dutch theologian-

    doveministries.com/content/miracles-nigeria
    God bless

  29. Nathan wrote:

    Its a fake interview, see the following interview to confirm-

    doveministries.com/catalog/tb-joshua/about-tb-joshua

    Shame on all that have attacked and condemned based on hearsay and slander, you allowed yourselves to be tools of Satan. The word says we must establish every truth.

    If further interest, view this investigation by the investigative body “The Religious Monitor”-

    http://www.doveministries.com/content/religous-monitor

    And here, a piece by a prominent dutch theologian-

    doveministries.com/content/miracles-nigeria
    God bless

    Nathan,

    If Jesus is omnipresent, which of course He is, and if He is capable of healing, which of course He is, why do people go to TB Joshua to be healed? If he (TB) is not the one who is doing the healing, which he admits, and Jesus is omnipresent, which of course He is, then no one needs to go to TB Joshua to be healed. They can pray for healing themselves and indeed be healed if it is the will of God. The very fact that multitudes are streaming to TB Joshua for healing proves that they have no faith in Jesus at all. What does the Bible teach?

    Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. (James 5:14-15)

    But the problem today is that most elders in the church are either not saved or have little faith in Jesus. That’s why they go to TB Joshua for healing because they believe Jesus is there and do not believe that He is in their own churches. TB Joshua is a shaman clothed in false Christian garb.

  30. Nathan wrote:

    Its a fake interview, see the following interview to confirm-

    doveministries.com/catalog/tb-joshua/about-tb-joshua

    Shame on all that have attacked and condemned based on hearsay and slander, you allowed yourselves to be tools of Satan. The word says we must establish every truth.

    If further interest, view this investigation by the investigative body “The Religious Monitor”-

    http://www.doveministries.com/content/religous-monitor

    And here, a piece by a prominent dutch theologian-

    doveministries.com/content/miracles-nigeria
    God bless

    The Religious Monitor wrote:

    At our request, both the Lagos State and Federal Government of Nigeria carried out thorough and extensive investigation of all the allegations through the use of State investigative network. Result of the Government investigation revealed that there was no substance in the Pastor Chris Okotie’s and the Pentecostal fellowship allegations against Pastor T. B. Joshua as a result of which the Government pronounced verdict of innocence.

    This is like going to the devil (the father of all lies) and to ask him whether something is true or not. Of course he will tell you that something is true even though it may the most infamous lie in the universe.

    Shame on you for believing corrupt governments in stead of Jesus Christ who said through Paul:

    For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. (2 Co 11:13)

  31. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Nathan

    Looks like he just changed his answers and now denies saying those things. That interview is fact, TB Joshua is just denying it now.

  32. Nathan says:

    It would be easy to prove if it is denial, just as it is easy to write a fake interview. Please give us the source of the interview and any documented evidence it actually took place.
    Meanwhile, the documented sources I provided all show that TB Joshua is without fault morally and doctrinally.
    Where is your evidence that he is using occult powers? Do you have any at all? Or are you just slandering baselessly?

  33. Nathan says:

    Thomas Lessing (Watch and Pray / Waak en Bid) wrote:

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    Shame on me for believing governments?
    I am believing governments, respected religious investigation bodies, respected evangelists and my own personal witness.

    Who are you believing? One supposed interview from an unknown source.

  34. Nathan says:

    @Thomas-

    Would you have said people shouldn’t have gone to apostle Paul for healing?
    Or Peter?
    Why are you making exception for TB Joshua?
    If the Lord wants to use TB Joshua to heal, as he used Paul, who are you to criticise?

  35. Nathan says:

    Furthermore, today we can all watch Emmanuel TV which shows everything that happens in a service there, instead of basing our position on a mysterious interview from the internet.
    How about watch and then take your evidence from your own eye witness?

  36. Nathan says:

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  37. Nathan wrote:

    Furthermore, today we can all watch Emmanuel TV which shows everything that happens in a service there, instead of basing our position on a mysterious interview from the internet.
    How about watch and then take your evidence from your own eye witness?

    Nathan, you should know just as well as I that Satan, in order to deceive people, must disguise his lies with truth – 99% truth and 1% lies is enough to mislead people. That is precisely why Paul warned that Satan presents himself as an angel of light and his disciples as apostles of righteousness. When the girl who followed Paul and some other disciples shouted “These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation” she was not lying but telling the truth. However, Paul realizing that any association with a demon possessed person (the girl was possessed with the Python-demon spirit of Delphi and her masters exploited her to get rich) would damage the Gospel of Jesus Christ. So . . . after many days, Paul exorcised the spirit. False teachers are very adept in proclaiming the Gospel of Jesus Christ but for all the wrong reasons. Many people are deceived in this way and open themselves to all kinds of other things that accompany his preaching and teaching. In the long run these things overshadow the Gospel to the extent that people get hooked on false teaching.

  38. Nathan,

    You are free to believe whatever you want to believe but don’t pull others with you down the drain.

  39. Nathan wrote:

    Would you have said people shouldn’t have gone to apostle Paul for healing?
    Or Peter?

    Why are you making exception for TB Joshua?

    If the Lord wants to use TB Joshua to heal, as he used Paul, who are you to criticise?

    Neither Paul nor Peter used the methods TB Joshua uses to allegedly heal people. I don’t see anywhere in Scripture people vomiting when they were healed or delivered from demons.

    Read here.

  40. Nathan says:

    @Thomas- nothing you have said changes the fact you have zero evidence that TB Joshua uses occult methods. Yet you believe it.
    The law of the land seeks evidence before passing a sentence, why are your standards lower?
    Paul didnt use the same method? What, the method of praying in the name of Jesus Christ?
    Find one video clip or anything of him using occult methods, just one- can you? No, because it doesn’t exist.

  41. Nathan

    @Thomas- nothing you have said changes the fact you have zero evidence that TB Joshua uses occult methods. Yet you believe it.
    The law of the land seeks evidence before passing a sentence, why are your standards lower?
    Paul didnt use the same method? What, the method of praying in the name of Jesus Christ?
    Find one video clip or anything of him using occult methods, just one- can you? No, because it doesn’t exist.

    Praying in the Name of Jesus Christ didn’t impress Jesus in the very least.

    Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Mat 7:21-23)

    There are several YouTube videos that clearly show hat TB Joshua’s methods are steeped in the occult. Maybe you have seen them but though your TB glasses. Look a them through the eyes of Jesus.

  42. Nathan says:

    @Thomas- oh really? Do explain. What is occult about it? Take one clip and explain to us where the occult activity is. You are adamant it is there, so show us.

  43. Nathan says:

    @Thomas- and thank you for quoting that scripture. However you have yet to provide any evidence that TB Joshua is such a person that passage speaks of. So who are you to assume?

  44. Natahn wrote:

    @Thomas- and thank you for quoting that scripture. However you have yet to provide any evidence that TB Joshua is such a person that passage speaks of. So who are you to assume?

    You are really beginning to sound like an atheist who is forever asking for evidence to prove that God exists. Do you belong to a church with a pastor, elders and deacons? Why don’t you go to them when you need someone to pray for you for healing? Why must you pack your bags and go to Nigeria? Is Jesus who is omnipresent only there?

  45. Nathan

    @Thomas- oh really? Do explain. What is occult about it? Take one clip and explain to us where the occult activity is. You are adamant it is there, so show us

    Did you read the open letter of Bill Randles to Jannie Pelser I referred you to. He said:

    ‘…One of the most alarming aspects of Joshua’s ministry that I raised is Transubstantiation, the heretical teaching that Joshua has power to transform water into the Blood of Jesus. This magical ritual demeans the true teaching of the precious blood, which Christ offered unto God for our salvation’.’ – See more at: http://www.discerningtheworld.com/?s=open+letter+to+Jannie+Pelser&submit.x=-1443&submit.y=-254&submit=Search#sthash.jFyYC3XL.dpuf

    That’s pure occult.

    Jannie Pelser used more or less the same argument as you. Have you read Bill Randles’ open letter to him?

    .

  46. Marius says:

    It astonishes me that God would give people these powers of healing when they are so irresponsible with the word. Surely a parent wouldn’t give a child a live machine gun to play with. I have a friend that is a missionary in Libya, one of the most dangerous places in the world to spread the gospel. A few weeks ago Ronnie Smith, an American missionary(who happened to be friends with this friend of mine)was gunned down in Bengazi by Islamic extremists, because of his passion to spread the Gospel to lost people. This is not playing church as these faith healers are doing. This is really believing that to live is Christ and to die is gain. These faith healers should show how much faith they actually have and fly to Iraq or Iran or North Korea and take their gospel, or whatever it is called there. I will have much more respect for them. The problem is there would be no money to make, and you will actually have to do miracles, or get shot. Let’s stop playing games with faith, and put action to all our idle words. The true miracle is the transforming power of the gospel, where the love of Christ starts shining through our lives in our service to humanity, despite persecution. Christ was born in a stable, and died on a cross. There are countless people that show the love of Christ by doing exactly the opposite from what these absurd faith healers are doing. They are in the most obscure places under some of the most adverse conditions in service of our Lord, giving care to the broken and destitute. Their names never even get mentioned, and that is exactly what Christ did. That is the true miracle of the Gospel. Two thirds of the people of the world are living in poverty, millions of them are believers. Stop selling the crap(for lack of a better word)called health, wealth, and prosperity to people as these faith healers are doing. True Bible scholars of old that went before us passed the gospel on without tampering with it or claiming to have discovered something not yet seen. They were not arrogant obout it because they knew the weight of the truth, and that the souls of people were on the line. For goodness sakes, they translated the Bible. When Martin Luther saw the wonder of the Gospel he wanted to tell everbody, despite knowing that persecution would come. He had no motives, or else he would not have ever proclaimed it. We should do the same: pass the truth of the Bible on to our children without adding anything, until Jesus returns.

  47. Marius

    John the Baptist did not perform a single miracle and yet Jesus said of him “Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: . . . ” (Matthew 11:11)

    Today’s so-called miracle workers are nothing but charlatans, frauds and false teachers.

  48. Deborah (Discerning the World) says:

    Nathan

    Shame on you for believing a whitchdoctor.

  49. Gregory Dryden says:

    Thank you for this post, this man needs to be exposed as a spiritual predator

  50. Johan Kruger says:

    I have been watching from the proverbial sideline for a while and all these sites and the comments has made one thing clear. irregardless of who or what is being dicussed – The truth is that The Bible warns us of many things.
    The most important relevant to this sites that springs up anywhere about anyone is – judge not so that u might not be judged, does not matter who is right or wrong. There is only one thing that we can use as a measure the Word of God. Pray for these guys so that God can do his own thing and save people who needs saving – That is most probably all on earth.

  51. Johann Kruger,

    You are commanded to judge righteously and if you don’t you are downright disobedient to Jesus Christ.

    We are not judging. We are warning people against these false prophets and teachers who are leading millions to the slaughter house.

    Do you think Paul was judging when he said the following?

    But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed [perish in hell]. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed [perish in hell]. (Gal 1:8-9).

    We know for a fact that the false prophets, teachers and apostles will never listen to us but we are always elated when one single person listens to us and escapes their demonic clutches.

    They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. (1 John 4:5-6).

    Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. (James 5:19-20)

    Have you been to TB Joshua?
    Have you been to Kobus van Rensburg?

    Both are in the same class – false prophets!

  52. Johan Kruger says:

    Thomas Lessing- Thanx u are proving my point, u are judging me without even knowing me. I myself have no interest in false teachings and it is not for me to be the judge of you tb joshau or kvr ( Or anyone else) only One will do that when the day arrives. What u are attempting has merit although passionate, it still have to come via the love of God for mankind.I havent listened to these preachers mentioned for more than a minute. I am as passionate as u you when it comes to the truth. Only difference I do not judge anyone. Lets face it if we were all perfect creations and equals of God Jesus and The Holy Spirit then only will we have the right to judge others fairly. WE ARE NOT, we are prone to fail and prone to human emotions and error.We can all qoute scripture and as u know and so can the enemy of all things good. God is love and He even loves sinners because He gave His Son so all can be saved through Him. U, me and whosoever will accept Him in their lifes as Saviour. Why am I telling u something u know, I dont realy think it is neccesary. I am sure u agree that the enemy can present himself as an angel of light. Do what u do, I sense u are very passionate about it. I will suggest however that before u jump on the warhorse pray and put on the whole armour of God and u will be guided with love, truth and by the Holy Spirit. See then how things will change for the better that way more good will be done and u will be more effective and convincing at bringing your message across. Keep up the Good work.

  53. Johan Kruger says:

    PS. Thomas your Qouted Scripture from James 5 says it all.

  54. Johan Kruger says:

    I have another comment or qeustion that is non related to any prior discussion: Is it neccesary to travel all over the world to preachers prophets to find healing salvation or whatever the need is people wants filled.Can God not do it for us wherever we are. Can He not deal with us right where we are, without any intervention from an outside source or preacher. I think He can. What are your thoughts about it.

  55. Johan Kruger says:

    God show no partiality. A last though Thomas: Romans 2:1-6. that is why i do not judge others. My understanding of that passages are that it is the right way for me not to stand in judgement. But that is my choice. Anyone can feel free to elaborate on those verses each of us might see it totally different.However this is an discussion not an argument to attack other people or to judge anyone. It will be interesting to see how similar we actualy all are or how different.(Let us all have a decent and mutualy respectfull discussion about This verses only.)

  56. Johan Kruger,

    What would you do if you asked me for a glass of cool water to quench your thirst and I put a single drop of poison into the water? Not knowing that their is poison in the water, you would probably drink it and die. However, what if someone saw me poisoning the water and warned you about it? Are you going to heed his warning or are you going to ignore it and drink it anyway? You;d be a fool if you do not heed his warning. That’s why the Bible says:

    My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins. (James 5:19-20)

    Or would you rather not save a wandering person’s soul from death?

    Warning others against false teachers is not judgment. It is your duty.

    False doctrine is worse that the most lethal poison. (Read here)

  57. Johan Kruger wrote

    I have another comment or qeustion that is non related to any prior discussion: Is it neccesary to travel all over the world to preachers prophets to find healing salvation or whatever the need is people wants filled.Can God not do it for us wherever we are. Can He not deal with us right where we are, without any intervention from an outside source or preacher. I think He can. What are your thoughts about it.

    This thing that one needs to travel all over the world to preachers and so-called prophets to find healing and salvation is a Roman Catholic heresy. You can go on your knees and as God yourself to heal you and He will heal you IF it is his will. Sometimes He does not heal you because He wants to teach you something that is spiritually more profound than healing.

  58. Johan Kruger,

    You need to know what the difference is between judging a person and discerning and evaluating his or her teaching in order to come to a correct and righteous judgment – not of the person but his or her doctrines. We are commanded to judge all things. If you don’t, you are not mature. Read 1 Corinthians 2:15 in the Amplified Bible.

  59. Sands says:

    I really wish people would use all this energy to win souls for Christ. Jesus is coming soon, as evidenced by the signs of the times. Those who are false teachers will face their penalty. For now what are we doing rather, about the mandate that Christ gave us to go into all the world and make disciples? We are to discern and test every spirit for ourselves and have nothing to do with the ungodly. We were never instructed to have lengthy conversations in this regard and trash each other whilst we are at it. I say, let us rather bring others to Christ and allow people to choose for themselves, according to their own testing of spirits, who is true and who is fake. The harvest is ready but the labourers are few. Let us avail ourselves for more profitable work for the Lord ald leave these tru/false prophets to God, the righteous and all knowing judge. Work out YOUR OWN salvation with fear and trembling.

  60. Sands,

    Would you say Jesus wasn’t serious when He said, “Take heed that no man deceive you”? (Matthew 24:4). You seem to say, “Am I my brother’s keeper?”

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Because this world is becoming more evil by the minute and Discerning the World is coming under attack more often from people with some very nasty dispositions, we now have ‘Terms and Conditions for Submission of Comments’ which you need to agree too before you can comment – this is to protect us and you when you comment on this website.  If you are not here to harm Discerning the World and it’s authors, please by all means comment, however if you are here to cause harm in any way, please don’t comment.

The following conditions does not mean that the authors of Discerning The World permit only opinions that are in agreement with us. This also does not mean that we fear dissenting opinions or ideas that are contrary to the beliefs that we hold (and/or that of the revealed Scriptures of the Holy Bible).

The following describes the Terms and Conditions applicable to your use of the “Comments” submission service at the Discerning the World website.

BY CLICKING THE “POST COMMENT” BUTTON FOR YOUR COMMENT, YOU AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS AND ABIDE BY ALL OF THE RULES AND POLICIES SET FORTH HEREIN. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS, DO NOT SUBMIT YOUR COMMENT TO DISCERNING THE WORLD WEB SITE.

  1. Discerning the World owns and operates the DiscerningtheWorld.com site (the “Site”). Your use of the features on the Site allowing for submission of a “Comment” is subject to the following terms and conditions (the “Terms”). Discerning the World may modify these Terms at any time without notice to you by posting revised Terms on the Site. Your submission of a “Comment” to the Site following the modification of these Terms shall constitute your binding acceptance of and agreement to be bound by those modified Terms.
  2. By submitting a “Comment” you are accepting these Terms through your clicking of the “POST COMMENT” button.
  3. Discerning the World has the right, but not the obligation, to take any of the following actions, in Discerning the World’s sole unfettered discretion, at any time, and for any reason or no reason, without providing any prior notice:
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