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When all these intoxications, slain in th spirit, convulsing, laying paralysed on the floor for hours, laughing, fire being called from the heavens, kicking people to be stomach to heal cancer, healing angels accompanying the pastor, pastor waving his arm toward the congregation and they would all fall, when these things were taking place. When there were fake healings, fake resurrections, pastors stories of being transported from one place to another, visions of actual trips to heaven, filling pockets up with gold coins in heaven, communicating with others in heaven, etc.
When Lee Grady (Apostle in the New Apostolic Reformation and editor for Charisma Magazine (with founder being Stephen Strang) not once during the duration of the Todd Bentley Lakeland Outpouring Revival say in any of his articles anywhere;
‘No, people, No. This is not God. Stop, don’t go, you are being conned out of your money, you are being lied too, there is a fake spirit coming over you”
Never did Lee Grady say this or anything remotely similar, there was NO warning what-so-ever. In fact Lee Grady endorsed it and helped spread the fire (that fake holy) spirit. So coming out now with an article like this is just laughable, telling people to calm down, as the ‘play play’ games are now over. None of this should have ever happened in the first place if you and your apostle and prophets friends read the Word of God and had an ounce of discernment.
Well Lee, you see it was and is not a game, a manifestation means just that, something unworldly, something supernatural,something demonic manifested through these people and are now in serious spiritual trouble. This is not a laughing matter or a game. You think the fire they call down is from God, His Holy Spirit? They call down Satanic fire and it sweeps over people, placing their minds into spiritual bondage.
You speak about ‘Walla walla bing bangs’, what about Todd baptising people in water in the name of the Father, the Son and the Sheeka boom ba bam. This over a year ago already. Must we mentiontion that this intoxication by this fake spirit is so old news that well, the newspapers have turned yellow already. And trying to only now expose John Crowder is well…stupid.
But we are sure that after this little article (of missdirection and dissinformation), that Charisma magazine will again jump on the next wave of satanic deception disguised as Christianity. Oh I am too late, I see you are already advertising ‘Radicalis’.
To say that Charimsa magazine runs a farse is an understatement. Love the scripture quoting never the less. Gotta throw that in for good measure. Must have taken you guys ages to find them.
Getting “drunk in the Holy Spirit” has been a popular concept in some churches. But is it biblical?
Tuesday, 27 October 2009 11:51 AM EDT
by J. Lee Grady
A few years ago a traveling charismatic minister from the West coast passed through Florida to conduct a series of renewal meetings. I’d never heard of the guy, but the rumor was that he carried a “special” anointing. It was unique, that’s for sure-especially when he took the microphone, slurred his words as if intoxicated and leaned to the left of the pulpit as if he were about to fall over. Then, in between some bizarre spasms, he would shout what sounded like “Walla walla bing bang!”
His message didn’t make sense. But if he had just said “Ding Dong Bell” or “Yabba Dabba Doo” over and over, some people in his meetings would have run to the front of the room and swooned, even though he never opened his Bible during his message. They wanted what this man claimed to possess—an anointing to become “drunk in the Spirit.” [DTW: Lee let me know where you rebuked Stacey Campbell and Cindy Jacobs for doing the exact same things? Hmm that's gonna be a tough one because they are Apostles/Prophets too and belong to the International Coalition of Apostles ICA, like yourself.]
“Let’s put the childish things behind us. It’s time for us to grow up and sober up.”
Spiritual intoxication has been a trend in charismatic circles for a while. Some respected preachers, citing Acts 2:13, defend the concept that Christians might feel drunk when they are filled with the Holy Spirit (because the early disciples were accused of being drunk when they spoke in tongues). This teaching led to lots of disorderly conduct in revival meetings—including nosebleeds, bruises and more serious injuries.
Some people began to manifest what looked like seizures during renewal services, and the bizarre behavior was defended as “manifestations of the Spirit.” Some pastors even encouraged wobbly saints to find “designated drivers” if they felt too drunk to operate a vehicle when it was time to go home. Meanwhile, some worship leaders introduced “Holy Ghost drinking songs” that encouraged people to slosh around in the joy of the Lord while uncorking more of His new wine. [DTW: you were the guys were promoted this New Wine and New Wine skin and new move of God - now you are saying it was someone else? Liars. You chop and change like your fake winds that seem to pop up all over the place.]
The spiritual drunkenness craze led to other charismatic fads, including an infatuation with angels, an obsession with golden dust and the strange teachings of John Crowder—a confessed “new mystic” who compares the infilling of the Holy Spirit to smoking marijuana. [DTW: Oh blame John Crowder now. Gee whiskers, what did he do to upset the NAR. You guys are part and parcel of this. This is now the most serious pot calling the kettle black 'manoeuvre' if ever I have seen one. The NAR is full of mysticism you just preach it differently and teach if differently].
Crowder, who is planting a church in Santa Cruz, Calif., this fall, sometimes calls his meetings “sloshfests” and refers to himself as a bartender for God. He teaches that God wants all Christians to be continually drunk in the Holy Spirit—and he provides resources to help you do just that, including an electronica recording that will help you, in Crowder’s words, “trance out,” and a teaching that encourages stigmata and levitation. [DTW: Um, Lee Grady, Randy Clark (who pastored a Vineyard church is credited for bringing 'holy laughter' to Toronto Airport Vineyard church (pastored by John Arnott) after catching it from Rodney Howard-Browne. Rodney Howard-Browne (another South African) is considered the father of the laughter movement, even called himself a Holy Ghost Bartender. Why don't you say anything about that? John Crowder is known for being a complete crack pot so your point is? Nothing really, he is just being used as a little pawn in the giant NAR chess game.
To prove it, you won't say anything about Joyce Meyer who preaches that you are a god who I see is in this months (Nov 09) online issue of Charisma or what about Patricia King's Blue Flame or her Ekstasis worship dance clubs? But alas, tis not all, a big cast iron pot of fools gold and plastic gem stones have been spotted on Charisma's website for the month of Nov 09.
Charisma advertises a conference to be held in Rick Warren's backyard (Saddleback Church) - Rick Warren - author of the Purpose Driven 'you just name it' books and adviser to Barack Obama on 'all things that sound like they could be Christian' invite you and your team to attend "Radicalis", February 9-12, 2010, with the following EMERGENT thinkers: Andy Stanley, Brad Powell, Dave Holden, Dino Rizzo, Doug Fields, Gerald Sharon, John Baker, Kay Warren, Kerry Shook, Buddy Owens, Pete Scazzero, Mark Driscoll, Perry Noble, Rick Muchow, Steve Adams, Steve Gladen, Tom Holladay]
I’ll let the theologians sort out all the obvious reasons why Crowder and other “new mystics” are treading on dangerous ground. Meanwhile I have a less complicated concern. With all of this emphasis on Holy Ghost intoxication, did anybody notice that the Bible clearly commands us to be spiritually sober? [DTW: New Apostolics trying to expose Emergents - what a laugh...laugh, laugh, laugh.]
If soberness wasn’t mentioned in the New Testament, then I wouldn’t be beating this drum so loudly. [DTW: and when did you figure this out Lee? Definitely was not last year when you were praising Todd and the Glory of God manifesting over Lakeland). But I find numerous references, from both Peter and Paul. "But you, be sober in all things," is Paul's admonition to Timothy (2 Tim. 4:5, NASB). He tells the Thessalonians, "But since we are of the day, let us be sober, having put on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet, the hope of salvation," (1 Thess. 5:8).
Peter hammers the same point. He wrote, "Prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ" (1 Pet. 1:13) and "The end of all things is near; therefore, be of sound judgment and sober spirit for the purpose of prayer" (1 Pet. 4:7).
The soberness here is not primarily a reference to abstaining from alcohol (although it's worth mentioning that believers who drink will find it more difficult to obey these commands). To be sober can be defined "to show self-control," "to be sane or rational," or "to be free from excess or extravagance." A sober Christian knows the heights of God's inexpressible joy, but he is never ruled by emotions, passions, lust or any other category of temptation that has the power to dull the spiritual senses. [DTW: oh good grief, a 'sober' Christian will never be ruled by these things because of a REAL and GENUINE relationship with Jesus Christ the Son of God through REPENTANCE OF SIN. And, 'sober in spirit' has got absolutely nothing to do with alcohol *I can't actually believe what I am reading...anyhow*.
What Lee Grady is subtly pointing toward, is that, in order for Charisma Magazine to start to introduce contemplative spirituality they have to now tell their audience that the days of excess and extravagance is over. You need to slow down, take control, be sober, be rational...be quiet and be still within yourself so you will be able to use all your senses to their full capacity in order to clearly hear god's voice]
When I look at the state of our nation today, and consider our spiritual challenges, it’s obvious the last thing we need are Christians who are so sloshed in emotional euphoria that they can’t pray intelligently and work diligently. [DTW: I mentioned last year that it was quite obvious that there was going to be a separation or sorts coming within the NAR ranks. Poor Todd Bentley was used as a primary example of 'WHAT NOT TO DO...' at church. For the sole purpose that the other (Apostles and Prophets) could come out looking like super champions - with a message to the masses of:
'We ourselves where duped, we didn't know, please just forgive and forget...come follow us'.
The problem was that people were beginning to see right through them - so they needed to cool that fire down just a tad - go back to being more sober (quiet) at church - so as to draw the crowds back. This was all premeditated, all preplanned. Todd was the scape goat.]
This is not a time for God’s people to be incapacitated. We need to be thinking, planning, strategizing, researching and building—all using the Holy Spirit’s wisdom. Yes, we need to be filled with the Holy Spirit like never before—but He is not going to fill us so we can act like giddy freshmen at a frat house keg party. Let’s put the childish things behind us. It’s time for us to grow up and sober up. [DTW: "thinking, planning, strategising, researching and building" what exactly? You mean the idea where you are building the Kingdom of God on earth for Christ's return (you being the little gods that will rule your patch of land on earth]
J. Lee Grady is editor of Charisma